Correcting the Church of Unlimited Errors 1/3
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 มี.ค. 2019
- Featuring King Crocoduck.
This is the first in a series of three videos addressing megachurch Pastor Bil Cornelius' three-part series alleging to prove God by means of the god-of-the-gaps fallacy. Here is a link to the full playlist:
• Correcting Church Unli...
This is the video we're rebutting today.
• Proof of Creation | Pr...
Because this first episode deals with Big Bang cosmology as opposed to evolution, I asked King Crocoduck to take this one on. If you're not familiar with him, here is King Crocoduck's channel.
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It's ironic that King Crocoduck, the one named after a famous misunderstanding of biology, is the master of cosmology, and Aron Ra, the one who's named after a sun god, is the one who's focused on biology.
It's extra-ironic that the concept of a "crocoduck" inadvertantly invokes the clade of archosaurs which is what the common ancestor of ducks and crocodiles was, and something I know Kirk Cameron is unaware of
@@patldennis Kirk Cameron is willfully unaware, which is the worst kind of unaware that any of us can be. My goal, just like I'm sure yours is, is during the one and only life that we know that we'll have is to be as aware as posable as many things as we can possibly learn during this life, and to make sure those things are as true as possible.
PS: This man at the beginning was talking about biases. The same biases he uses to stay delusional. He is right that we have a bias. The only difference between him and I there is that I, being aware of said biases am on an endless journey to correct any biases I may have.
Great minds think a lot
An ironic confluence of such magnitude were they to actually comprehend it their minds would be scoured clean.
No he's not named after just a sun god. He's named after Amun-Ra. Amun-Ra was the chief of the Egyptian gods. In the early days of the Egyptian civilization, he was worshipped as two separate gods. Amun was the god who created the universe. Ra was the god of the sun and light, who traveled across the sky every day in a burning boat. AronRa chose his name because he liked the fact that the myths and lore of Amun-Ra were influential in the development of the Biblical deity of Abrahamic monotheism.
>laughs about people using old theories
>believes in the bible
It's insane. $5 says he's also one of those guys who mocks the science he doesn't like as a religion...while making a living preaching religion.
@@sbushido5547 not to mention he is that typical overly charismatic car salesman with such a distracting underbite I thought he had a dip in the whole video
@@sbushido5547 No bet. He says evolution is a religion several times in his videos.
@@DCWilsonwriter
Yeah, I made that comment before watching Aron's part 2 video...and he called evolution a religion in like the first 2 minutes. >.>
@@sbushido5547
100$ he is gay.
"Can you believe scientist are still believing things written four hundred years ago?" said as if that's a bad thing. While believing something that was written two THOUSAND year ago.
He forgets these are tested things and can be replicated. Can we prove god? No. Test it? No.
Two thousand years ago? Some of the Bible was written much earlierthan that,, based on even older oral traditions.
Yea you don't believe in facts, you accept them or reject them.
Historians believe (or at least accept as true & accurate) things written thousands of years ago.
@@brunaburg9377 History usually has a much lower threshold for evidence. It's because a lot of the time the only evidence they have is something written, and there's no way to test and verify it's accuracy, so they work with the attitude "it's all we have so we'll assume it's true". (and occasionally the written stuff gets re-examined and questioned if more tangible evidence, like archaeology, is discovered)
Meanwhile, science which has a much higher threshold for evidence because they require things to be testable and verifiable.
However, my comment was about people using how old something is as a factor in whether it's true, and trying to reject something just because it's old. While hypocritically accepting something that's much older, proving that their excuse for rejecting science was bullshit.
Personally I don't care how old a claim is, it's not relevant in deciding if the claim is true.
Also, historians may accept something that was written 2000 year ago, but they are not making it the foundation of their belief system, nor are they trying to make laws enforcing those beliefs on others.
If they start doing that we should expect a much higher threshold of evidence than simply "someone wrote a book".
"Trusting science is biased. Admit your bias and I'll admit mine."
That's not what a bias is. Bias is when you have a reason to believe something that isn't known information. Like family loyalty, or personal taste, or fear. It's true that everyone has biases, but science isn't one of them, and don't ever fall into the trap when someone says it is and wants you to diplomatically agree.
Bias is when you have no reason but a disposition to or presupposition of giving a one sided opinion.
@@woodysdrums8083 Bias as traditionally defined would be best described as any disposition in deviance from a bias towards reality.
@@alexisbrooke6177 How about just religion?
@@woodysdrums8083 A
It's not really. Why didn't you just copy and paste a dictionary entry?
Like this;
bias | ˈbʌɪəs |
noun
1 [mass noun] inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair.
Funny how creationists like science only when they think it supports their view.
Paul : It's because it's only then they're considering it to be real science? Really?
Kelly Butts : He should actually be longing to die, because his life here is just a testrun, so he should really hurry up to get the fuck out of here, shouldn't he?
@DrJames Powers Yes creationists observe science then ignore it because it doesn't support their fairy tale.
What happened to all the creationist comments?
Also creationists-
“God is beyond our understanding and reality!”
But then...
“Science proves God!”
The reason I don't go to church anymore and wouldn't go to his talk is because I would just get thrown out for sitting in the front row and saying "Um, actually" the whole time.
Paneck Attack 😂😂
Right? Same here.
Something that happened to me at a very tender age and why, if pushed, I would have to describe myself as an ex-agnostic atheist. I was a very precocious reader as a child and two of my favourite books between the ages of 4 and 7 were - Aesop's Fables and the Big Blue Book of Fairy Tales. As a small child I was told about 3 mythic entities and instructed in their mysteries and observances - Easter Bunny, Father Christmas and God; however things broke down in getting to me to believe in them when I was 4. This went on to result that at age 6 I was banned from Sunday School after just 2 days of attendance and by 7 my actual school refused to take me to church for the compulsory services (something only ever else accorded to the Jewish children).
Easter Age 4 - My bedroom overlooked the garden and field were we hunted for Easter eggs and I had awoken early nicely in time to watch several adults hiding eggs for us to find later. When ushered out later on a less than pleasant day to find "the eggs the Easter Bunny left" the adults in question were less than happy when I suggested they just go and bring them back 'cos they know where they hid them, it's cold and wet and I don't want to go out and the bunny didn't hide them. This led me to be quickly sequestered and firmly instructed not to tell the other children the Easter Bunny doesn't exist or I'd spoil it for them and I wouldn't be allowed any chocolate.
Christmas Age 5 - Having thought about the whole bunny escapade I had done some research and come up with a cunning plan (well, cunning plan for a 5yr old) to test the Santa Claus hypothesis. When asked what I wanted Santa to bring I asked the one thing I always got, a jumper(sweater), but at the last moment before being sent to bed on Christmas Eve I yelled up the fireplace chimney "Santa, I want a Scalextric set" and promptly took myself to bed in hatch Phase 2. Phase 2 consisted of not going to sleep as promised, but sneaking very quietly back to see if I had induced any panic in my parents, it didn't go quite as expected. What I saw and heard through the quietly open living room door was my father rather smugly eating Santa's half of the mince pie and explaining that the Scalextric set he had bought really hadn't been for himself and really was for me whilst my mother, wrapping the set, told him it better had not be like the trainset he had bought me 6 years ago that I still wasn't allowed to touch. Boy did they jump when I jumped into the shouting "No Santa". After a desultory attempt by my parents to cover the evidence and an attempt to explain how a fat man can fit down a gas flue there was an admittance that in fact Santa did not exist and I wasn't to tell my siblings or the Scalextric would be returned to the shop by the person we all agreed had bought it.
Sunday School Age 6 - They didn't really stand a chance starting off with Noah and using an abridged New Testament for children with pictures - where did all the water come from and go to, mountains are really big, are seagulls evil and why were fresh water fish evil but not sharks, why are kangaroos only in Australia, the boat in the picture is too small, why didn't they bring extra animals for the lions to eat? That quickly exhausted answers and was told it's true because it's in the bible and the bible is the word of God and I should be quiet and just colour in the pictures provided; my response to this was to take home said kiddies-bible and compare it to the King James bible at home. When I turned up next with our KJB, a notebook of questions and an earnest expression of enquiry it took all of 5 minutes before I was banned and sent home. All I started with was - if the bible of the true word of God and these two books don't have the same words and mine is older why are you lying to me or are you doing blasphemy and heresy or is it all lies like the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus?
My RE teachers for years to come deeply regretted my parents decision to put a KJB next to the Encyclopaedia Britannica and Ancient World mythologies on a bookshelf accessible to a kid who hadn't forgotten about being lied to about rabbits and overweight anti-burglars.
Decades later I'm still puzzled why people believe in any religion when there's less consistent evidence to find than fancy eggs under a bush.
Are you a Christian?
@@elephystry Not any more. I gave it up shortly after I started doing my own research.
I can't be the only one who pictured King Crocoduck showing up like a mystery partner from wrestling, with the crowd going crazy and the opponents scared and panicked.
is a crazy good ally i would agree tag!
So... He tries to prove god, by disproving science, by using science!!!??? Yeah right that makes sense!
It's the same as them saying they will prove the bible, and use the bible to do it!
This is the dumbest version of "Big Bang proves God" I have ever heard!
DrJames Powers seems like you will provide proof for all those impossibilities..looking forward to the paper you will summit for peer view. It’s like religious zealot always play this game: Religion makes a statement of reality,then science proves said statement is incorrect.. religion retracts statement then claims it’s always been in the Bible.
So here’s my question. Is there anything that religion can predict?
The universe had a beginning when Yahweh created it.
How about the Cosmos?
Sure, a Hebrew god created the Cosmos too.
How do you know?
Cause my god created everything.
Pastor Bill is a Hebrew Bible preacher he is not qualified to speak as a cosmologist.
@@JamesRichardWiley No kidding!
Awesome!!!!!! King Crocoduck joining in the fun, too!
I love King Crocoduck . He picks his words so tacitly, elegantly, and he is also a bit snarky.
King Crocoduck. What a great username. lol
I love his takedown of oucher_owl about Humphries.
He debated Kent Hovind in a three part debate and kept correcting Kent, KCC is great at debates and correcting talks like this. Parts 2 and 3 are great as well.
That sly I'm a man of gawd smile. Makes me cringe!
that is the grin of " i just took all of these people's money "
Respect to you, Aron, for recognizing where your expertise ends and bringing in another expert to fill in the gaps. These sort of videos are why I'm subscribed to your channel.
Plus? KingCrocoduck is great.
Church of Unlimited Errors? Yeah, that's limitlessly correct.
If an infinite number of infinitely captious truck loads each filled with infinite errors arrive at Hilbert's Church of Unlimited Errors they can, apparently, all be accommodated :)
"Infinity War is the most ambitious crossover in history"
Me: *posts link to this video*
Ever heard of the Norman Invasion?
I absolutely applaud the deferring of refutes to King Crocoduck. His lecture and explanations were well delivered, I def wanted more.
58:40 -- 'We're still quoting these old guys from books written a long time ago, and yet we still bank everything on that?' Says the guy banking on a set of books written by unknown authors with no verifiable data on miraculous claims even longer ago.
Bottom line on the cosmological argument: even if we concede a beginning to the Universe, at what point did anyone demonstrate that beginning originated with an almighty, uncaused, sentient deity that exactly matches the version of God this pastor happens to believe exists?
I shit myself when he said that lmao... unbelievable. Literally insane 😳
It is so difficult for me to hear theists like this babble on and on. Persistent, willful ignorance makes me feel sick.
@DrJames Powers James, please just shut up.
@DrJames Powers
No, the attributes mentioned come from other attributes.
Even while we speak the interpretation of the bible changes. Christianity nowadays doesn't resemble the christianity from the 2nd century CE or the middle ages at all. Did the source change, or are you looking at the wrong source? I think the latter.
@DrJames Powers you must not have read the same bible I read. The god in my KJV is an immoral assclown.
@DrJames Powers
Careful, Icarus!
@DrJames Powers Unfalsifiable claim fallacy. Also, if your saying God made everyone, who or what made God? Or you are you going to use Special Pleading fallacy for God not needing to be made?
A big thanks to King Crocoduck to make this topic understandable. I can intuitively feel that something is off with Bil's reasoning, but KC gave words and sense to it.
Thanks, AronRa, for the collaboration. And for the honesty to give the floor to someone else when needed. That is always a refreshing experience after hearing religious people butcher science time after time (on what book was Bil leaning heavily again for this seminar?)
I don't know. I felt King C kind of came across as a lot of techno babble which would go over most people heads. Too much information delivered with a lot of phrases most people don't know.
I would ask to who is Crocoduck addressing?
The vast majority would tune out of his explanations.
@@Cheepchipsable - I absolutely agree. I’m a mechanical engineer who understood him completely; however, I estimate this would only be true of about 50% of science-based engineers, which leaves out many engineers. And how about the average lay person? Not only would they not understand, they would (rightly) feel they are being talked down to, and reject even the things they did understand.
The preacher fellow was perfectly understandable to his audience, and was thus much more successful in what he was trying to do, even though he was entirely “wrong” in nearly everything he said. I put wrong in quotes because it has now been received as truth.
We who want truth to prevail can only ignore this reality, and not improve our methods of dissemination, at our peril.
I'm getting quite sick of creationists and flat earthers abusing the laws of thermodynamics.
Aron talking about how thermodynamic standards would result in the flood nuking the earth really cracked me up
Always ask them to quote the Zeroth Law Of Thermodynamics. When they look at you funny and accuse you of making things up, you've now demonstrated that they're just parroting a talking point a charlatan gave them.
I wouldn’t say abuse. I’d call it ignorant desecration.
"I teleported home one night with Ron and Syd and Meg.
Ron stole Meggie's heart away and I got Sydney's leg."
Douglas Adams, Life, The Universe and Everything.
I love your channel, but I'm ecstatic to hear from King Crocoduck.
The fact that the two of you are working together is a perfect storm of awesome.
@DrJames Powers
I'm certain that you believe you do.
@DrJames Powers
Argument from ignorance fallacies abound in your reponses, as well as the fact that you're refuting positions that neither of them have taken.
I am not impressed.
@@kellybults8248 Wow. I don't like the guy, but wow.
@DrJames Powers Keep telling yourself buddy...
Aron, I've thrown the following out a couple times here and elsewhere, but I think we could stand to be reminded that: _It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it._
-- Upton Sinclair
For that matter, this is why there really have been NO APOLOGETICS BOOKS which are genuinely aimed at atheist audiences. To gain credibility with informed and educated non-believers, apologists would have to confront the serious problems represented by their belief systems, and that is an analysis which cannot end well for them or their beliefs. People like Matt Dillahunty and Seth Andrews went through such a process and did so HONESTLY ... and came out the other side rejecting a belief system which *MADE NO SENSE.* So long as Pastor Bill expects a paycheck out of his BS, there is no chance that he would willingly enter into a conversation which, if he approached it rationally [fat chance!] would result in his discarding his faith in favor of fact.
I think this videos are there for those who are sitting on the fence. Apologist media is all about keeping people from researching out of their bubble. If a believer is searching whether evolution is true or not when it comes to chosing between this pastors video or Aron's video they would be inclined to chose this pastors. This would usually result in them postponing their actual research which would mean more money for pastors.
i was just talking to my roommate about this. we are both theists but not christians. both of us are occultists with varying fields.
i come from an atheist background and was curious why there dont seem to be any intellectual speakers for theism that actually level coherent arguments, instead widely and consistently relying on fallacy after fallacy to justify their overstatement of their case.
my view on deity is much more modest and is, in fact, so modest that it's almost semantic and would likely offend both atheists and theists alike.
we suspect these people are largely con artists or earnest believers wrapped into double downs over non-points on behalf of con artists or dupes in their audiences. in other words, they are more invested in the social dynamics of their church than its esoteric positions. this disregard for truth in pursuit of community results in movements like this, which must rebuke science to maintain social clout amongst a community discouraged from internal dispute.
their inclination to social conformity preempts their ability to intellectually grow as a community, whereas most "atheist communities" are chaotic messes with dozens or hundreds of internal debates, keeping them more intellectually honest, if more susceptible to splintering.
im down to argue in the comments about theism in good faith btw. im not like other theists ;3
@@HadalStreetlights Do you have any evidence for anything supernatural?
@@philgray1000 my position is that if anything "supernatural" exists, it is part of the natural world. in this way, i dont really believe in a supernatural.
gods are perceptional, and subsist only in the perspectives of people and in the media about them. magic is psychological, and functions through manipulating the psychology of the user.
in my view, spirituality is an art form and something to decorate your life with. not a pathway to truth that must be treated as sacrosanct.
@@HadalStreetlights Iow, you have no evidence or anything of value.
This is the most involved description of the Monkey Shakespeare analogy I've ever seen.
Best part of the video
Thanks King Crocoduck for the huge amount of work you put into this video.
Cosmological argument, 2nd law of thermodynamics... Not even a slice of originality from this Pastor.
Well, he surprised me at one point : the "heat wave" part. I immediately realized it was stupid, but was still surprised.
@DrJames Powers you cant be serious. Your argument has been addressed many times.
ScienceWorksBitches x Jerk still thinks that science is the opposite of religion, and that if you are religious you can't accept science. Science is not a "Hangup."
James is not a Dr.
The brilliant DrJames Powers copy-pastes his shit - troll confirmed.
@Michiko Hamasaki
Well if you don't want a discussion, Ctrl+V is your friend.
It’s literally the same script recited over and over again by creationists. Nothing new to see here.
Your name is wonderful.
I know he must be new to the party i wonder how you can have "proofs" of something thats never been proven.
@DrJames Powers You're doing a whole lot of arguing from incredulity. "That seems fantastical, therefore its impossible." If you want to disprove hundreds of years of scientific precedent, you'll need a little more than a logical fallacy.
When has a mind been demonstrated to have created an intelligent being? Anywhere.
Don't reply to James Powers. He is a Christian troll. He has copied and pasted the same answer across multiple videos and multiple comments in the videos themselves. This video alone has over 50 of his comments and I haven't bothered to scroll down further.
Don't feed the trolls.
Love You AronRa. You're one our best damned fighters against religious bullshit. Keep up the bloody good work.
King Crocoduck? Now that’s a name I’ve not heard for a very long time.
So great to here you again, KC! I’m patiently waiting for new episodes of The New Lysenkoism.
I literally burst out laughing when he mentioned the second law of thermodynamics.
@DrJames Powers You made a bunch of claims. Can you prove any of it?
The Laws of Thermodynamics relate only to closed or isolated systems with no outside source of energy.
The earth is not a closed or isolated system with no outside source of energy because we have the Sun.
So no, it doesn't disprove evolution.
@DrJames Powers Claims aren't proof. Where is your proof for your claims?
Does the Sun provide us with energy, yes or no?
@DrJames Powers Great job refuting that point by just repeating yourself and not actually addressing your error.
The thing that amuses me is that even if the argument does prove "A God" it doesn't prove in the least "Their God".
BTW, it does neither.
Stephen James that’s always been hilarious to me; they do a massive jump to it proving their god
@DrJames Powers
You sure like shoving God into the gaps of your knowledge. We have a term for that but I can't seem to remember what it is. Lol
@DrJames Powers How did you rule out any other possibilities for a "rational source" for life?
What factors do you analyze to determine whether a possible source is rational?
What indicates to you that morality comes from God (assuming a God is real)?
@DrJames Powers No, YOU just can't think of one, and won't look for one. "My magic sky fairy did it" is not a rational explanation for anything.
@DrJames Powers I don't need to. There are enough compelling and rational ideas or there already, and none of them require emo fairies that guilt trip us and theatrically kill themselves.
This video is so good, I watched it on both your channels. Back to back.
I cannot believe I missed this series! it's like Christmas in July! I'm supposed to be notified about all of Aron Ra's content, but I always find my notify status reset to personalized for certain TH-camrs. It's cool though. I love me some king crocoduck
Rule of Thumb: If something is to be "believed in", then it's probably not worth giving much thought....
Einstein gave up on his cosmological constant theory once he learned that the universe was expanding; steady state theory was not possible to prove in an infinitely expanding, "open" universe, since, get this....energy density is irrelevant in an open universe. The bible already stated that time and the universe was eternal/infinite, long before philosophy became science. The fact that the fundamental constant is defined by mathematical logic proves that the universe exists only because a higher intelligence created it.
@@quasimobius citation needed.
@FACE GALLON The "constant" itself, is the epitome of logic, and logic cannot come from a universe that has no conscious awareness, therefore the constant is the "product" of a conscious being.
@@quasimobius Complete rubbish. Provide evidence, not unappetizing word salad and irrational assertions.
@@quasimobius while that may be, it's not the god of Abraham lol
So is this pastor just going to brush over the fact that he'd claim that God did it no matter what the current accepted theory was? Because we all know that if the Steady State theory was the most accepted he'd just as quickly say that God was the one that made it that way.
To be honest, Colossus, in ' Colossus the Forbin Project', said and proved it so that lets God out of the picture, all hail Colossus.
I love how King Croc brings the hammer down every single time, it’s like he’s weilding the gauntlet that turns pseudoscience to dust with a snap
4:03 "What a tangled web we weve when we're paid to deceive" - Aron Ra 2019
You should get Bill Ludlow in here togeter with KC and have a roundtable discussion of people who absolutely eviscerated Hovind.
Really enjoyed your scientific explanations. You are a fabulous communicator!!!
This is why I love your stuff, Aron. You bring science and awesome guests.
Love listening to these heavy duty thinkers - King C., Aron Ra, Matt Dillahunty, Sam Harris, etc. Keep up the good and thought provoking work!
I agree, but it’s like using a tank to roll out pizza dough
Am i the only person that got immediatly creeped out by that preachers fake smile?
Hours upon hours of AronRa taking apart some religious video? I'm sorted for the evening! :D Thanks!!
Are we still banking on Newton? "Do you know how old that is?" Says the man who believes a 2,000ish year old compilation of unknown authors...
A sound destruction of erroneous assertions and illogical reasoning. I give you a 10/10 King Crocoduck.
Bil Cornelius=Dunning-Kruger overload...This guy has grossly underestimated the knowledge available to his opposition, based upon the yardstick of his his own limited knowledge. This gross underestimation is not surprising, given that he perpetually, and irrationally, equates belief to fact, whilst preaching from a pulpit. The fact that he irrationally equates unsubstantiated beliefs to substantiated facts implies that Mr Cornelius has to lie.
I feel like wiping that smirk off his face!
Thanks to both of you for this. I'm going to need a second go at this to fully understand the arguments King Crocoduck puts forward but what I understand so far has filled in some gaps in my understanding from school. He went further in the space of this refutation than my teacher did in my formal schooling. I would observe also that tragically I was graded top 3% nationally in the UK in combined sciences at GCSE level (double A*, the first year that grade was introduced) so that bodes ill for the quality of physics teaching in the UK at that time.
Vote for Aron Ra, for minister of education and reason. Aron you are a mountain of knowledge. I love the way you explain things and your composure. I have been watching your videos all day, and I have really enjoyed them, except the one with Hovind, it's like talking to 5 year old. Keep up the good work, from a fellow athiest.
i'll never understand how they think dishonest quote mining benefits their cause.
They think this is a brilliant way of backing up their arguments.
Because it works well enough for the audience in front of them, who is BIASED to clutch any shred of scientific legitimacy to prop up what they already believe, so they can go back to not thinking about it. It took me 35 years to fully extricate myself from the self-congratulatory brain-smoothing circle-jerk of modern American evangelical Christianity that i’d been raised in since i was six days old.
I'm pretty sure his opening statement is in itself contradictory.
_"If you're a scientifically-minded person and you're here today, you're showing us that you're truly open-minded."_
_"I'll admit my bias [towards God] if you admit yours. All of us have a bias."_
How exactly am I biased when I'm giving you the opportunity to try and sway me towards your own admittedly rigid and unchanging position?
Idk I think he talking about himsedt
These preachers have no interest in facts or understanding. They are entertainers and show men (but in a religious context), they make their shows simplistic, love gross miss representing facts to their benefit and count on a an audience completely oblivious to anything outside their religious world. It is like counter arguing a snake oil seller monologue with chemistry, medicine and biology class. Having said all this, great episode!
Sometimes I wish I were a Creationist..
Maybe then I'd get a phone call from @AronRa suggesting we hang out and have a couple of beers and discuss life.
I envy them.
I don’t see how seeking the truth is a bias
You're biased towards truth and biased against bullshit.
If your seeking does not lead you to "their" truth, you are clearly biased.
It is informally known as the No True Seeker™ Fallacy.
5:00 please be KingCrocoduck, please be KingCrocoduck, please be KingCrocoduck...
20 seconds in and he says "Maybe you lean towards science and not to God..." Oye vay. I know that this one is going to be a doozie.
All our ancestor fighting to survive so we can be here today, not even acknowledging they existed 😣
4:48 and here we have a prize example of 'statement a creationist would never say' where Aronra says 'i am not qualified to discuss this'
"Bill's at the bank counting the $$$$$$$$ He's making fleecing christians..please leave a message"
One of my guilty pleasures is listening to Aron and co. tearing apart fallacy-laden creationist arguments. Keep up the good work, Aron. You're doing the Spaghetti Monster's work.
"Man decided to sin, so god could sustain his perfection"
You telling me that god *already* sustaining his perfection couldn't keep man from sinning? His own fucking creation?
Yes pastor I'm so open minded my mind has fallen out and here I am
Aron & KC collab!?!? My week could not start any better ❤️
Thank you AronRa for educating us I learn so much from your videos
"still hanging onto science"... 23 seconds in
That background that Mr Ra is using looks like the amazing Trinity College Library in Dublin. Great choice man, indeed. Great vid too, very enjoyable, cheers from Dublin.
@Lady Skeptic - That's really cool. I hope you get to fulfill your visit to Dublin. You will have fun that's for sure. But, I'd recommend not just Dublin, there is so much more to Ireland, especially when you hire a car and go off the beaten-track :) Cheers Madam.
Your channel pictures look interesting.
Can I find them online somewhere?
Someone explain to this guy how a microwave works.
I just realized that at the start of the video he says, "I'll admit my bias if you admit yours." He just admitted he has a bias. I'm free to not admit I have a bias and he can't take it back
The best thing of those pastors: They lead to your answers from wich I learn so much and wich I enjoy extensively. So: Thank you!
Bill: "This car is running, therefore there's a natural cause."
Correct. There is no god.
I honestly come to these videos with the hope of finding evidence for God. With the hope that I'll be convinced that upon death, I'll be reunited with my loved ones in a place of eternal happiness.
Despite looking, I've _never_ heard a convincing argument for a god from one of these people.
Quantum physics may yet give you hope, while also not simultaneously inflicting the trauma of the potential of hellfire on your subconscious
If you are a good person, you will go to heaven. I'm an atheist so this doesn't worry me. But just get on with your life. There is absolutely no proof there is a heaven where you'll be reunited with your loved ones and no point is seeking evidence for this. If it does work out, then a decent honest person like you will go to heaven.
"Ahhh those people ate the fruit, the one thing I said not to do.... okay then. I hate to do this but you leave me no choice....Entropy" - God
Well he doesn't understand thermodynamics. A car is not a working model of entropy
Just his comments of how great Ferraris are just negates any confidence that I could have in his arguments.
Nice birthday present Aron. Glad this came out on my b-day.
Ayyyy happy b-day!
@@rustyshackleford1465 Thanks man!
I learned a lot from this thanks King
I have to admire people who can debunk stuff cause they can listen to the Orginal video unfiltered without brain damage
Mother of pearl, how did he get microwaves so wrong?
Everyone knows it’s best to stir the chili every 30 seconds or so. That’ll save you electricity in the end.
I am not, nor do I claim to be a cosmologist. I do hold several degrees ranging from History to Genetics, and I have tried, unsuccessfully I might add, to explain the scientific process, evolution and historical accuracy to theists for over 40 years. It is rare that a "true believer" will accept anything you say. I say True Believer not to imply that they TRULY believe, but refer to those that suffer greatly from Cognitive Dissonance. The Grinning ape in this video is one such. He either knows what he saying is absolute bunk or he believes what he is saying because his cognitive dissonance will not allow him to believe otherwise. This type of personality is pointless to debate. I have focused my discussions on his audience, with some fair amount of success. There are many that know what they are saying is bogus but do so simply because it allows them to control their "flock" for fleecing later. Thank you for your efforts Aronra and King Crocoduck. I have shown your work to many people over the past and it has resulted in a fair amount of "believers" realizing their folly. Keep up the good works.
If only they WERE just Flat Earthers. They are easy enough to shut up and convince otherwise.
They always ramble about how biased everybody (else) is so they can pretend their position were as valid as the scientific / skeptic one.
King crocoduck is by far my favourite physics channel on here, the way he painstakingly goes into detail and the topics is fascinating. I feel like he and Aron are very similar in these mannerisms, and the appreciation I have for both of them is difficult to quantify. KC has made me retain my drive and love of physics and I can’t thank him enough for it, and Aron Ra had opened my mind to the beautiful complexities of biology and the natural sciences
My goodness that guy was at times almost unbearable to listen to. You’ve much more tolerance than I do
My wife worked at church unlimited day care for a small period of time. She was never a firm believer, but was forced to go to the church service in order to keep her job, as well as sign a waiver basically saying that if she ever found out shady information about the pastor or anyone high up in the church that she wouldn't tell anyone about it.
I just admit that I'm a wee bit mystified as why the preacher didn't mention the "fine tuning" of the universe. The charge of the electron, the Hubble constant , the gravitational constant, etc etc. Facts about the way energy and matter actually behave, that Jesus forgot to tell us about. Strange , huh ? The universe was made for us, despite 99.9999999% of it being actively hostile to life of any kind.
ALL nature is actively hostile to life. I should remember you we are alive not thanking but IN SPITE of nature, constantly trying to kill us xD
@@kregorovillupo3625 Exactly !
The things the Pastor didn't mention are probably things he doesn't know about...
Sweet! I haven't heard from KC in a while. Thanks for bringing him on for this one, Aron.
Oh SHIT! The King is on here!
Long live the King
Love what you do. Never stop making videos
Yes!!!! Aron teaming up with K.C. !!! Two of my favorite science communicators!
Every single time you make a new video calling someone with this much excruciating detail, I almost pee myself from excitement.
I'm glad you have King Crocoduck on; I am IN NO WAY an expert when it comes to cosmology, but even I can spot his gross errors. My thing is psychology (I have a BS), anthropology (six credits short of a BA), and mental health (halfway though a master's). I have a channel that looks out religion through intellectual glasses (plus a few videos that don't really have anything to do with religion, but I do bring up the topics in my religion videos.) I would be honored if you'd check it out.
Cosmology proving the existence of god always comes back to that first verse "god created the heavens and the earth." *Technically possible, I guess.* But then it *ALWAYS, 100% OF THE TIME IGNORES THE ENTIRE REST OF THE CHAPTER.* I have tried every possible interpretation, young and old earth creationism, to try to see if it can align in any way to science, and it just doesn't. They're both objectively, verifiably wrong about everything. The order is wrong, the timeframes are wrong (whether you try to make them days or equal-sized eras, both wrong), *it's all wrong.*
Science is still working on it and always giving us more and more useful information , technology and healthcare as it continues. Creationism says its magic and that is that .
"I have tried every possible interpretation, young and old earth creationism, to try to see if it can align in any way to science"
That is IGNORANT to begin with.... for a LOT of reasons. But one reason that SCIENCE KNOWS NEXT TO NOTHING about EVERYTHING. So, the fact you cant align a Creation story with science means nothing. I cannot align the fact that I have to suffer with flu for 3 weeks because SCIENCE cant come up with a cure or that I have to endure SINUSITIS for WEEKS at a time because SCIENCE cant figure it out. OR that millions of people are dying with cancer and SCIENCE cant do a DAMNED thing about it. For some reason? That problem doesnt bother me very much. Science is an infant FEIGNING ADULT-HOOD but showing NO SIGNS of MATURITY.
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Science is still working on it "
SPARE ME.
"Creationism says its magic and that is that ."
NO, IT DOESNT. THAT IS A FALLACIOUS ACCUSATION. IN YOUR PRECIOUS LATIN ITS CALLED ARGUMENTUM AD ABSURDUM or REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM. YOU PAINT SOMETHING RIDICULOUS BECAUSE YOU CANT DO ANYTHING ELSE INTELLIGENT WITH IT. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CREATION or HOW GOD DID IT or WHAT GOD IS or WHO GOD IS or WHAT GOD EVEN MEANS. BECAUSE ITS BEYOND YOUR SCOPE you just CALL IT MAGIC BECAUSE YOU REALLY DONT WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. LETS BE REAL, KID. IM SICK OF THIS BULLSHIT.
@@thetruthchannel349 "NO IT DOESNT"
Yes, it does. Creationists like to insert their God into the gaps in their knowledge like a college freshman trying to get his dick wet. Anywhere it'll fit, and that's that. A creationist has never, NEVER posited their God as an explanation for something and then gone on to explain HOW their God did it. It always boils down to "God said he did it, I don't know how, but he did!"
"THAT IS A FALLACIOUS ACCUSATION."
How?
"IN YOUR PRECIOUS LATIN ITS CALLED ARGUMENTUM AD ABSURDUM"
No, it isn't. Also, Argumentum Ad Absurdum isn't fallacious. It is a valid logical argument that is only fallacious if used incorrectly, and since it wasn't used here at all, you're the only one being logically fallacious with your strawman fallacy.
"YOU PAINT SOMETHING RIDICULOUS BECAUSE YOU CANT DO ANYTHING ELSE INTELLIGENT WITH IT"
OOOOH! Now I see what you were meaning! You were probably meaning to talk about an argument from personal incredulity. I don't know how you got that mixed up with argumentum ad absurdum, but I guess people who aren't used to logical argumentation will find it difficult to keep up. My suggestion would be to take some courses online or something, or maybe just stick to preaching. Also, if that WAS what you meant, it isn't an argument from personal incredulity either.
"YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CREATION or HOW GOD DID IT or WHAT GOD IS or WHO GOD IS or WHAT GOD EVEN MEANS"
And neither does anybody else. That is why people had to make up stories about him and make up their own ideas of who he is and what he is about.
"you just CALL IT MAGIC BECAUSE YOU REALLY DONT WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT"
Or maybe because it fits all of the accepted definitions for what magic is.
"LETS BE REAL, KID. IM SICK OF THIS BULLSHIT"
Considering you type like a spastic and apparently don't know the first thing about logical argumentation, I'd be inclined to believe that the "kid" here is YOU!
God needs someone who can spin word salad of the absolute nonsense kind to convince us He's there...what utter madness.
Love, Aron!! Keep the content coming always like seeing you and hearing you. You’ve helped me tremendously! ♥️
Guys, how do you manage to stay calm when those people walk the same earth as us? I'm seriously asking, cause I tend to get super pissed off
I love the Ferrari reference " even though it has a very complex designed, it still breaks down". LMAO.... In reality because of it's complexity it breaks down more often. Complex design has a higher probability of breaking down. Just an observation.
Neatly explaining how simple, ignorant humans "broke" the complex Earth with one bite of an apple!
Poor YHWH.
Holy fuck this is amazing, and the fact that my brain conjures up Big Bill Hell's cars whenever you say bill makes it even better.
Big Bill Hell's is the fucking best!
“What a tangled web we weave, when we’re paid to deceive.” BOOM. Thanks AronRa.
"Truly openminded" says a man who won't even discuss evolution
5:44 / 5:52... He really just said that?
And most Christian theists don’t see any problems with what he says there?
Yep, he did. And nope, they don't.
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😂👍yup
They are sheep's. They dont see those errors
Fantastic video! Pumped for the other two.
"It helps us out to determine when one's COMING, and to get prepare for it..."
Damn you dirty mind! I giggled like a little idiot!