Don't Copy the Pros! 8 Things Amateurs Should AVOID in Pickleball

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  • @929mmr
    @929mmr ปีที่แล้ว +11

    What I find is that probably 6 of these 8 tips apply to most of the people I play with but it is a different set of 6 out of 8 for each player. Some of them switch not only grip but switch hands and are really good at it. Some have that top spin dink down pat. I do pretty well with letting the ball get behind me and still dinking well. Some do that powering through the transition zone very well.

  • @marvindennis3664
    @marvindennis3664 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    that roll dink cross court does have about 40' available to travel. But it's not easy to do consistently. Yes, clearly jacked. Thanks, Zane. Entertaining and informative.

    • @pickleballer1729
      @pickleballer1729 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm not sure what you mean, but if you're talking about how far it is from one back corner of the kitchen to the opposite side opposite corner, that's only about 24 feet.

  • @BucksCo937
    @BucksCo937 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Zane produces the best instructional videos. Thanks for the elementary tips for those of us at 3.5+

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks boss! Much appreciated!

    • @BucksCo937
      @BucksCo937 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZaneNavratilPickleball Are there any plans for in-person clinics in Philly area for 2024?

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately, no, but you can get individual, online instruction here - www.myjourneypickleball.com/?_branch_match_id=1173370760948098500&_branch_referrer=H4sIAAAAAAAAA8soKSkottLXz8nMy9bLrczKLy3KS60syEzOzklNSszJ0UvOz9UPsIz0zAzy9rR0SgIAL8KwCzAAAAA%3D@@BucksCo937

  • @KenCrawford1
    @KenCrawford1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you! I have owned a PBall court for 31 years and I am getting back into it after letting it go for a long time. I just resurfaced it and Your vids are super helpful on helping me get back into the game!

    • @zeruth467
      @zeruth467 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What made you take a break?

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's incredible! Glad you're getting back into it!

    • @KenCrawford1
      @KenCrawford1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZaneNavratilPickleball I wish I had kept the wooden paddles with the straps as they were so heavy that even with the holes you did not want to let them slip out of your hand ! 😂

    • @KenCrawford1
      @KenCrawford1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@zeruth467 well it also has a basketball net and it was originally a sport court plastic grid floor over the slab so the ball would not bounce that great . I live out in the foothills in northern CA and the friends I used to play with stopped playing . So I removed the grid and did a professional surface. Now I don’t have any problems finding people to play ! I also added LED lighting . It was an interesting experience applying the professional pickleball surface and it came out great.

  • @jillcoster315
    @jillcoster315 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Excellent excellent comments! I love how you keep reminding us rec players that we ARE rec players. I have played too many times against reccers who have watched pro picklers and fancy themselves as pros- when whoa! We are not. We love the game but do not put in 10,000 hours to perfect these shots. Solid, sensible advice. Please keep it up.

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much Jill!

    • @jmeib
      @jmeib 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If everyone thought like that nobody would be a pro

  • @Dilnfn
    @Dilnfn ปีที่แล้ว +13

    love you zane looking forward to playing with you or against you one day im 14 but really getting better and would love to play in the ppa.

  • @davidblickstein
    @davidblickstein ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @zane I think this is a great video and you should do more of them. The thing is… different things work differently for different levels. One key thing is that most pros don’t have the relative degrees of weak points that amateurs have. It could be backhands, mobility, fitness/stamina, etc. So I always try to figure out such things.
    A great example is that the conventional wisdom among the pros is NEVER to “invite” your opponent to the kitchen with a short ball. But if your playing an amateur with poor forward mobility, making them lunge forward to reach a short ball tends to produce a pop-up. So that’s defies the conventional wisdom for the higher levels.
    So I think a series on taking advantage of some common amateur vulnerabilities is a good idea.

  • @CurtPrice
    @CurtPrice ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is good advice. And I think the general idea behind all of this is to NOT try and do things outside of your skill level when playing in a league or tournament. I constantly see guys trying to do things they really can't, like put crazy spin on the ball from weird angles when, 1) It's not the smart move at the time and 2) They haven't mastered the shot. So they screw it up... a lot. But they just keep doing it.
    Keep it simple stupid. :)

  • @ER_aka_RAM
    @ER_aka_RAM 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yeah… never tell a decent tennis player transitioning to Pickleball, not to change their grip. We know the advantages and benefits, but definitely agree sticking with Continental for about 90% of shots.

  • @pickleballer1729
    @pickleballer1729 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! Pro instruction can sometimes forget that we're not all jacked super athletes like the pros.
    What a unique and totally useful approach. I see people trying to do some of these things that are way over their heads all the time. I myself tend to do two of these things. I often reset when I should just smack it back at them, even though I'm pretty good with those resets. I've been aware of this for a while and I'm working on it. Great to see it confirmed by a pro. The other thing is that last one about speeding it up from the transition zone. If it's at my right hip and my opponents are below 4.0 or so, it works pretty well.

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for the feedback! If you have any questions or suggestions, just let me know!

  • @harlyman60ful
    @harlyman60ful ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All smart ideas. Thanks.

  • @btreese7
    @btreese7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When I hit my backhand roll volley, it's more a rotation of my forearm which causes my wrist to follow and whip through the shot vs actually using my wrist to hit the shot. It doesn't torque my wrist at all. But I can see how it could if you did it wrong.

  • @jeffstevens9729
    @jeffstevens9729 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting Zane. The PBall Flick is analagous to the Table Tennis banana flick over the table. Very, very hard to do for non-pros.

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't know enough about table tennis, but I'm sure there are things in every sport that pros do that amateurs shouldn't

  • @mddale
    @mddale ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I find it best to cut down the personal unforced errors and give the opponent maximum opportunity to make them.

  • @tompurvis2637
    @tompurvis2637 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Makes sense to me. I’m a firm believer in keeping things simple. I see a lot of players trying to get too much out of their shots and it usually leads to an unforced error. You remind me of a younger, better and more handsome version of me. 😅

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  ปีที่แล้ว

      Pros should keep it simple too! Ben Johns and JW do a great job of keeping it simple.

  • @Diegocurt73
    @Diegocurt73 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great tips! I had this takeaway. Keep it real, I’m not a pro. Practice consistency by excelling at high percentage shots. Over time, maybe, I can mix in lower percentage shots. 😊

  • @richardrestler4908
    @richardrestler4908 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    love your videos and your ability to communicate your instructions with great clarity. watch all of them. you and Cincola are the best!!!

  • @Everheartt
    @Everheartt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is great stuff! I had super lead on mine lol😂

  • @shaunarobeson3508
    @shaunarobeson3508 ปีที่แล้ว

    You make good points with these tips. It's easy to watch the pros and try to mimic what we see but it's really important to weigh skill and risk vs reward to determine what shots and strategies might be effective at one's particular level. Thanks!

  • @michelezurick938
    @michelezurick938 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Super helpful!!!

  • @Everheartt
    @Everheartt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would love to see another 8

  • @CaptainRonAhoy
    @CaptainRonAhoy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really got a LOT from your video. Lucid, succinct and on point with very little fluff......subscribed.....

  • @markfcal
    @markfcal ปีที่แล้ว

    Dang, I’ve been working on my topspin dinks watching Anna and James. It was fun watching you guys at the PPA and MLP in San Clemente.

  • @rickrzendzian2228
    @rickrzendzian2228 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Solid advice, I am guilty of a lot of the don'ts.

  • @edmond-kl3it
    @edmond-kl3it ปีที่แล้ว

    Zane, there's a heavy bias towards lower level instruction and doubles instruction online. Could you maybe in the future do a video on advanced singles footwork. I'm new to the game but rapidly progressing. I know what I need to do to improve and reach 5.0-5.5 status in doubles.
    However, when it comes to singles I've got a huge hurdle to jump: I did not play tennis growing up.
    I've worked hard on making my serves a weapon. I am starting to get quite good at keeping my returns deep and weaponizing them on subpar serves. I have a good forehand drive towards either line and also do my best to disguise which way I'm going with it until the last minute. I am working very hard to learn and develop a two handed backhand drive and am making good strides. None of this matters. The few times I've played against someone with a tennis background it hasn't been pretty. My work on mastering the first three shots of singles will get me a small handful of points, but that's it. I'll get beat handily, but get a lot of compliments about my forehand or my serve or something. And then they'll want to play with me again, because it seems like I should've been able to keep the game competitive. We'll play again and now because I picked up on some of their tendencies it'll be 5 or 6-11 instead of 2-4. It never gets better than that though, because I'm always truly outclassed in terms of footwork, anticipation, and understanding how to properly move about the court and position myself.
    What does proper recovering look like? What is the right path to come towards the net based on where my previous shot was placed? After I play a shot that isn't down the middle how do I position myself to take away most of the court and give myself the best opportunity to not get passed. What's the best way to move laterally? Which foot goes first when?
    Someone mentioned the spider drill, but I didn't understand their footwork for it or how to replicate it. They were able to cover anywhere from the middle of the court in two steps. Can you demonstrate this drill? Are there other drills you recommend for improving explosiveness or singles footwork?

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey man! Thanks for the fun comments. Unfortunately, I have done singles focused videos in the past, and there's just not a large enough audience yet to make it worthwhile. If you want individual high level tips, I'd suggest checking out MyJourney -www.myjourneypickleball.com/?_branch_match_id=1173370760948098500&_branch_referrer=H4sIAAAAAAAAA8soKSkottLXz8nMy9bLrczKLy3KS60syEzOzklNSszJ0UvOz9UPsIz0zAzy9rR0SgIAL8KwCzAAAAA%3D

    • @MrThedocholiday
      @MrThedocholiday 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      First of all, let me say that I think you’re gonna do amazing… but let me emphasize why. You are self-reflective & have an excellent habit of asking questions. In my estimation, the only time asking a lot of questions could possibly be a bad thing, is when or if you ignore the answers to all your excellent questions. Just a casual observation on my part, but wanted to point that out for your encouragement.

  • @tedhon911
    @tedhon911 ปีที่แล้ว

    #9 running around deep backhand return to attempt massive forehand topspin 3rd shot drive?

  • @julienforletta7896
    @julienforletta7896 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I couldn’t disagree with your last point anymore . The rest were okay I guess . I’m a strong 3.5( prob closer to 4.0) and my reset into the kitchen is one of my best shots and helped my game immensely. That’s a very important shot to learn at all levels. You’ll never be able to continuously work your way up to the net unless you have a strong reset.

    • @BenjaminkAnderson
      @BenjaminkAnderson ปีที่แล้ว +6

      My understanding is he meant not to reset speedups when both players are at the nvz (but instead to counter them).
      It sounds to me like you are talking about resets in the transition zone.

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, you're correct. Reset from the transition zone. From the kitchen, we want to counter attack@@BenjaminkAnderson

    • @julienforletta7896
      @julienforletta7896 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ok thanks guys , sorry I misunderstood 👍

  • @mariar4624
    @mariar4624 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good video, Zane.

  • @chriswalrath858
    @chriswalrath858 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You host any PB camps?

  • @gregreber9686
    @gregreber9686 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love your videos, Zane! Keep them coming! What's your secret to generating power off your kitchen line volleys? Do you load your wrist by bending it back just before contacting the ball? Would love to see a video on this@

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's all about timing the wrist snap. Tons and tons of repetitions should do it. Good feedback!

  • @abrahammatsui6799
    @abrahammatsui6799 ปีที่แล้ว

    great stuff. especially number 7.

  • @richardkester3664
    @richardkester3664 ปีที่แล้ว

    When should people start resetting?

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Almost never, to be honest. Unless you're in the transition zone

    • @ar15tac
      @ar15tac ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Zane did a really good video on resetting. The only time you want to reset is if the ball is below the net somebody speeds a ball up at you. You just wanna block it back or punch it back if you can usually speed ups, put your paddle a little bit more out of position. My humble opinion.

  • @andrewgedman1214
    @andrewgedman1214 ปีที่แล้ว

    J dub hits drop shots like a golf chip shot. Way different than most vids on how to drop

  • @mattiacalzari5908
    @mattiacalzari5908 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not a pro but I'm pretty good with the wrist flicking I'm comfy at do it, and I use also often with success top spin dinks

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      For sure. Anybody can get away with them, and some players have specific skills. These videos are always generalizations

  • @kevincafaro8846
    @kevincafaro8846 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice, confused on the reset, i thought getting into the banging war was wrong to do.

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nope! Counterintuitively, resetting encourages the banger. Check out the full video here - th-cam.com/video/qS5rSLvS9m4/w-d-xo.html

  • @jonathanwhite2025
    @jonathanwhite2025 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really good advice!!! I'm going to implement ur suggestions. U r a really good coach. I watch all ur videos. Jonathan

  • @ClayD192
    @ClayD192 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Zane could you possibly make a video on the rule changes in 2024 and your thoughts on them?

  • @huikh2r
    @huikh2r ปีที่แล้ว

    Your hitting partner is a good player

  • @shipwreck8847
    @shipwreck8847 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're wrong Zane. The reset can totally be used. Better than getting into a fight with someone that you are unprepared to handle. You just choose to do it at ideal times.

  • @jamesgordy880
    @jamesgordy880 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Clearly Jacked!! 😂😂😂

  • @igorhiller5596
    @igorhiller5596 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice try! You can’t stop me!

  • @samwilson8001
    @samwilson8001 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Amateurs should also avoid grunting when hitting the ball.

  • @rosariarose4181
    @rosariarose4181 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video thank you Zane. Haters gonna hate, dont sweat the shitty comments!

  • @Mriamrody
    @Mriamrody ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Should amateurs say "ehhh" everytime they hit the ball?

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As loud as they can

    • @edmond-kl3it
      @edmond-kl3it ปีที่แล้ว

      No, don't be ridiculous. "Ehhh" is for on balanced shots that are played with the intent to attack with some degree of power and/or lots of topspin. Off-balanced, defensive and/or finesse shots require more of an "uhhh." Pop ups, horrible lobs and high/long drops require an "oh shit," or a "fuck."
      If you're not making at least somewhat of a noise when you go to hit the ball you're almost certainly a 3.5 at best. Probably living in a retirement home too, lamenting the youthification of your beloved sport.
      Get over it Gramps, us young guns are here to stay and if you continue to complain about the noises we make when we hit the ball we're gonna stop picking up the ball off the ground for you and make fun of the grunts you make every time you bend over to get it.

    • @Mriamrody
      @Mriamrody ปีที่แล้ว

      Easy there with the Gramps comment, youngster. I'm not complaining about the noises you make while you're playing, just making fun of you all. Next time I pick up a ball, you'll hear (and smell) it from the other end!@@edmond-kl3it

  • @parky6031
    @parky6031 ปีที่แล้ว

    You underestimate my power of the tweeners

  • @TheAlexJimenez
    @TheAlexJimenez ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There are pro pickle ball players?

  • @prestoneprice
    @prestoneprice ปีที่แล้ว

    I think a better approach is "don't do these things as an amateur unless you practice x number of times/hours and can do it x percentage of the time" If pros do it, obviously these things may become important to you at some point. So at least tell us what that point is?

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For sure. This is definitely a generalization, and each one of these tips depends on your proficiency in that particular skill, not your overall skill level.

  • @emason17
    @emason17 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol I do all those things (have 5g lead per side)

  • @chubacabra88
    @chubacabra88 ปีที่แล้ว

    Meanwhile Zane casually tweeners at MLP

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That was the craziest thing. I literally haven't even hit a tweener in practice in more than 3 months. It came out of nowhere @chubacabra88

  • @fci501
    @fci501 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "clearly jacked" LOL

  • @kb8978
    @kb8978 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My only question is... What's with saying "Eh" during every shot you take? Not an insult or criticism, just curious if there's a reason or if that's sort of an instinctive sound you make, like a grunt?

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Just messing around in this one haha

    • @kb8978
      @kb8978 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ZaneNavratilPickleball Hahaha. Some people have some real but odd grunts. Another good video.

  • @RickLeon7
    @RickLeon7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So basically I can’t do shit Lol… I’ll stay on my couch 😢

  • @bleuShoErn
    @bleuShoErn ปีที่แล้ว

    So fine me.

  • @jusan_tinos
    @jusan_tinos 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Noted *stop trying to be JW Johnson or Ben Johns, you’re not that guy me… yet 😂

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yet....

    • @jusan_tinos
      @jusan_tinos 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ZaneNavratilPickleball still got a long ways to go. 😅

  • @voiceofreason9238
    @voiceofreason9238 ปีที่แล้ว

    The #9 thing amateurs should not do; grunt. It sounds ridiculous and it doesn't help. Only tennis players think this is a good idea.

  • @TheAlexJimenez
    @TheAlexJimenez ปีที่แล้ว

    You’re def not jacked. Ripped maybe. Not jacked.

  • @mbr05c
    @mbr05c ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Salome playing with an 11 oz sledgehammer. Zane basically claiming he can’t handle the paddle weight of a middling female pro is hilarious!!

    • @billkennedy401
      @billkennedy401 ปีที่แล้ว

      There are those that are only concerned with static weight. If you want to add a butt load of weight, deep dive and understand what you are doing to the paddle. Before I add weight of any type, I know its static weight and balance. After I add the overgrip (add enough and you know how much weight they add) I start building the weight and then I start adding lead to stabilize and re-balance the paddle to what I like. Being old (68) I can only handle a static weight of 10.4oz with a +12 balance _ but Zane is the one with the channel and plump PPA contract. 🐌🦫🦫🦩

    • @osint6372
      @osint6372 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@billkennedy401 lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yes it's HIM....Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel MESI........I

    • @ZaneNavratilPickleball
      @ZaneNavratilPickleball  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah that's too much for me haha

    • @mbr05c
      @mbr05c ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZaneNavratilPickleball LOL! Salame more jacked than Zane confirmed!!!😂😂😂

    • @mbr05c
      @mbr05c 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@billkennedy401 I kid, That being said, Salome isn't adding all that weight to the handle. Players were complaining the ball was coming off so hard.

  • @LifeIsGoodThankYouGod
    @LifeIsGoodThankYouGod ปีที่แล้ว

    you are wrong about close face topspin.... I do open face topspin at the kitchen line, a very consistence winner shot .

  • @osint6372
    @osint6372 ปีที่แล้ว

    argument #1 related to the lead tape is not relevant to being a PRO. There are lot's of people who are "jacked" ...but correct on the speed aspect.....for everyoneeeeee......It's Physics

    • @edmond-kl3it
      @edmond-kl3it ปีที่แล้ว

      Physics also says that extra mass helps on counters and punches. Adding an extra ounce or two will certainly slow your hands down initially and if you only play casually and infrequently you won't start to overcome this. But if you work at it and you are healthy and not ancient there's no reason you can't eventually wield a bigger broadsword at the net. You can shed weight to get even faster, but there's a reason pros aren't swing 1 oz goose feathers at the net.

    • @osint6372
      @osint6372 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@edmond-kl3it I dont play doubles. I play singles and if it's too heavy the swing weight will affect the drive...Something medium sized will do.

  • @cronx1337
    @cronx1337 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pickleball is what a generation who grew up on participation trophies would create. A garbage 'sport' that is neither tennis nor handball, but a garbage and lazy imitation.

    • @btreese7
      @btreese7 ปีที่แล้ว

      You know nothing about the game and brilliantly exhibited your ignorance