Why the Railroad is Good but Flawed - Fallout 4 Lore
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"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings." - Optimus Prime
But are Synths truly sentient if they can be mindwiped and reprogrammed like machines? You can brainwash a person, but they can break free of that brainwashing on their own and they can still remember what they experienced and believed before. Children who went through years of racist indoctrination during the Third Reich were still able to shake off that indoctrination and reflect on what they once throught was true and absolute.
A wiped Synth loses all memories of their former existence and completely becomes that new identity. A harmless Synth who loves children can be wiped and programmed to be a merciless savage who feeds babies into a woodchipper and he/she/it wouldn't know that this is wrong due to their former identity knowing that this was wrong. Their old self is gone. Forever. It's literally like formatting a computer and installing a new OS. Your computer doesn't know that it once ran Linux after formatting it and installing Windows.
@@Corristo89 A human can suffer brain damage and have entire parts of their memory, cognition, and personality altered, damaged, or even "erased". The mind-wiping of synths is simply purposeful brain damage.
@@Corristo89 Look up Phineas Gauge.
@@Corristo89 Humans are biological machines if you know enough about it and with rights tools, you can alter and manipulate it as you wish. Institute knows a great deal about biology they even create their own life forms.
"Death is a viable alternative to Communism." - Liberty Prime
I'm disappointed that there's no option to unite the three surface factions in an assault on the Institute.
It would require the deleted option where Paladin Danse challenges Arthur Maxon for control of the Brotherhood of Steel.
I envision it thusly: you would have to convince the factions to work together; getting the Railroad and the Brotherhood to get along for this will be the tough part.
First, you have the Minutemen and the Brotherhood activate Liberty Prime. You sent him towards C.I.T. ruins, catching the Institute's full attention, whereupon they deploy their Synth armies to the surface.
While the Institute is distracted by the coalition army and the Iron Giant, you take control of the Institute's teleporter, smuggle a strike team of Railroad operatives, Brotherhood Scribes, and Minutemen in. The Railroad starts the Synth uprising supported by the strike team while the Railroad and the Scribes steal as much research and data as possible. Classic divide and conquer.
When Liberty Prime reaches C.I.T. and blasts a hole in the Institute's roof, the Brotherhood mostly hang back to secure the exit, with the bulk of the assault force comprised of Minutemen going underground to reinforce the strike team and the Synth rebels. The reactor is rigged to blow, the evacuation order is given, the surviving members of the SRB are arrested to be put on trial, everyone gets out of dodge, and you start the fireworks from a safe distance. The Railroad takes custody of the Syths until they can be resettled, the Brotherhood is given the bulk of whatever tech research the strike team recovers, Liberty Prime is reprogrammed to require authorization from the heads of all three factions to operate within the Commonwealth as an act of good faith, and all three factions are given roles in the new CPG.
The Minutemen are the leading faction, covering local defense and maintaining trade roads like a police force. They keep the trade routes clear of raiders and hostile creatures, set up a coordinated trade network for scavengers and farmers, devise standard operating procedures for things like prospecting, scavenging, treasure hunting, and the like;
The Railroad act as an intelligence agency and handles Synth affairs for the CPG. They gain Spectacle Island as their own settlement, safe house, and operations center, while there would also be a manufacturing plant designed to supply the factions and the Commonwealth with weapons, armor, ammunition, and equipment;
And the Brotherhood of Steel are kept as a hired mercenary force, allowed to conduct their tech salvage missions and given a stipend from the CPG in return for aiding the Minutemen in clearing out raiders, super mutants, and hostile wildlife, so long as they agree to let free Synths and sentient Ghouls be, and to allow the people of the Commonwealth to keep the less dangerous tech they need to rebuild. Recovered intel and information would be shared collectively with the other factions, and they would be called in to safely recover and/or deal with technology that is too dangerous for common people, can't be used without a proper industrial infrastructure, or just so weird and outside context that the Brotherhood have the only people who can make sense of it.
There would be joint operations and campaigns for the three factions, such as retaking Quincy and finally shutting down the Gunners for good, wiping out the raiders of Nuka-World, clearing out all hostile bands of Super Mutants from Boston, ect. For the Gunners example, the Railroad could infiltrate the group if they haven't already, relay information about where all Gunner strongholds are and what kind of forces they possess, sabotage their communications network, assassinate key officers, exacerbate rivalries, instigate mutinies, stuff like that. The Minutemen would use their network of artillery to bombard Gunner outposts and strongholds, and then work with the Brotherhood of Steel to rapidly deploy armored ground forces with vertibirds to sweep in and mop up.
What do you guys think?
Edit: I think someone made a BBC-esque mockumentary on TH-cam using many of the ideas I listed here.
This would have been the "Golden Ending", IMHO. Even better would be convincing the Institute to stop having a god complex and use their technology for good, essentially uniting every single faction together. If you were the elder of the Brotherhood, you could promote Danse to it so there's no conflict of interest. Imagine the last conversation being between the minutemen, railroad, institute, and even the Brotherhood of Steel for who should be the first President of the Commonwealth. That would be a great way to end the game: rebuilding from the ashes, coming together to form something greater, and using everyone's strengths for the good of all. Imagine a set of Power Armor designed for the Brotherhood by the Commonwealth. Would have been a much more interesting end than just "Institute nuked. Ded."
That wouldn't work as brotherhood still hate synths even it danse is one
@@joshuaainsworth5536 they also hate ghouls, despite 10 years ago fighting against that very mindset. They can clearly be convinced out of their biases over time with the right leader
İ say,fuck that,Ad victoriam!
Thoralmir this would be the best ending because it one makes the game way more fun and two easy because you don’t have to kill any factions and three a little bit more exciting❤️❤️I LOVE IT!!
Diamond city tolerated Nick in part because he looked like a synthetic. The synths that looked like people scared them more. They felt he was not hiding who he was, and it made them less fearful over time.
Its called uncanny valley.
@@Hound851you missed the point completely
@@blooman80 How so?
@@Hound851 The folks in Fallout 4 were afraid of synths for different reasons, not because of the uncanny valley. They were afraid of synths because they were indistinguishable from regular people, even you could be a synth and never realize it. The uncanny valley would cause fear/uneasiness if the synths *almost* looked like regular people, but like I said they are indistinguishable from a normal human.
@@blooman80 That makes sense. Although I was preferring how synths don't always don't function/act like people. Like leaving the cap closed in toothpaste tube. Unless that was just bad joke told by Diamond City Guard about his ex, which I doubt.
“Don’t know why the hell they programmed us to feel pain”
-Nick
if a man casually stabs himself with a knife bc he ran out of pockets, cover go bye bye
Because otherwise if someone stabbed you in the back you wouldn’t notice
Do you mean emotionally? Or physically?
@@GoofySillyGoose yes
probably for the same reasons humans feel pain
One of my favorite lines in the game is when you talk to Virgil and he makes fun of the Railroad for trying to liberate vending machines or something.
Yeah i laughed out loud to that one lol
That and his reaction to the institute being destoryed showed me one thing. Virgil is a terrible judge of character.
Revan Reborn and the line from tinker Tom like “is this crayon was this drawn bye a kid must have been a real big kid” when you give them the teleporter plans
sabergreen2010 What does he say after the institute is destroyed? Don’t think I ever spoke to him after I’ve done it.
chode papi He gets mad at you and says something like “I know the institute has done questionable things but... there were people in there.” and then tells you to leave.
I felt so much empathy for H2. His voice actor did an excellent job giving him so much character.
Oliver Reeve sounds like deacon.
Gregory Small he is Deacons voice actor as well.
Its Ryan Alosio
That Goodbye holotape he leaves for you is heartwrenching.
I think a nice bit of story telling is when he gets his memory wiped his voice quivers a lot less and doesn’t stutter.
*Makes gen 1 and gen 2
Scientist: I want this to feel pain
*makes gen 3 synth
Scientist: *I want to be able to fuck this
@@Jackie89000 unfortunately yes
Scientist after synths revolt: Shocked pikachu face
Yeah, that's really doesn't make any sense to me. It's honestly why I think the institutes are a bunch of egotistical idiots, which is hilariously ironic.
Honestly I dont know how these people who are supposed to be some of the smartest people do some of the most illogical shit
"It's a common misconception that robots can't feel pain! We actually feel it in slow motion! At at great intensity!
-Claptrap
I SAID THAT AT THE END LOL!
OX: Sturges is a synth
Me: U say wut?
OX: Magnolia is a synth
Me: WOOOOT?
Ikr
@NieDla Islamu No no no, Fisto is.
@NieDla Islamu you can "test" Fisto for free.
*what
@@plinyelder8156 LOL
Sole survivor: " So why do you want to help the synths?"
Patriot:" At first to see if I could get away with it."
- makes perfect sense.
What else is a boy genius gonna do for fun
Slowpoke Make jet.
I wasn’t even shocked by the answer it just made perfect since
I joined so I can get paid good and do guerrilla warfare and I hate the political and territorial bullshit of the Commonwealth etc, I love to dress in a weaved courser coat and military cap and sunglasses with my Gauss rifle and lots of grenades and cait with me dressed and equipped like me , me and cait doing strategic mission after mission is fun and return to underground base to get paid and sleep and eat and drink whiskey whoo 😎
I joined so I can get paid good and do guerrilla warfare and I hate the political and territorial bullshit of the Commonwealth etc, I love to dress in a weaved courser coat and military cap and sunglasses with my Gauss rifle and lots of grenades and cait with me dressed and equipped like me , me and cait doing strategic mission after mission is fun and return to underground base to get paid and sleep and eat and drink whiskey whoo 😎
tbh, I like the railroad for what they do, but they are heavily afflicted with tunnel vision.
when instute and brotherhood are gone they dont have to take care about hiding themselves
Yeah, Thats why I usually pick the Minutemen. Railroad have their hearts in the right place to liberate enslaved Synths, but they don’t really do much to help struggling humans.
@@StormX6 honestly with my main playthrough I mixed minute men and railroad assets. So the minute men spread and grew, but the synths were freed. It just made sense to me. I don't feel like the railroad needs to care about every person or event in the commonwealth. Their goals were to free the synths, but that goal can also work with the MM well. Besides that the idea of the two working together is awesome. The information network and guerilla tactics of the railroad would perfectly aid the MM and help them streamline their work.
@@StormX6 Have fun enjoying NukaWorld lmao
@@SleepEvermore I went with the Open Season option LMFAO 🤣 I wish though there was a story option that your faction could’ve came to help you kill all the raiders
Railraod and Minutemen feel like two halves of a faction that got split. If they combined them, the new faction may have had enough named NPC's to rival the Brotherhood/Institute.
That’s interesting because if you side with the railroad but don’t stay on the institute’s good side you cannot continue with the railroad so Desdamona tells you to seek out the minute men for help.
THISSSSS, YESSS BRO
I think if that's true it would've happened because it would've been the obviously correct faction
I wish they had made the railroad ending not blowing up the entire institute but occupying it, putting the synths in control of their own production, and allowing the whole commonwealth to reap the benefits of institute technology. They could work together with the minutemen to unite the commonwealth and eradicate slavery from it. Blowing everything up is definitely not the railroad's style.
Nah fuck the railroad , vertibird go BRRRRRT
Me: Oh look, a video on fallout I haven't seen yet by oxhorn!
Oxhorn: *Hippies, cucks, social justice warriors..*
Ikr, what a violent start
oh look another pointless comment with no actual meaning
social justice for the motherfucking win
That caught me off guard. I thought I misheard him
@@jordanese2360 no
17:29 "If you were treated like a tool your entire life, would you leave the Institute only to become a raider boss and treat settlers like tools?"
This is actually a common occurrence in history. When slaves get power they often become slave masters. Happened in Hati, Liberia, and Egypt. It almost happened in South Africa.
It also happened in THE UNITED STATES. Not many people know, but many early "indentured" slaves, before it became about race, did get their freedom and pay, and went on to become brutal slave masters. A really famous one is William Ellison. "He was one of about 180 black slave masters in South Carolina at the time."
Facts
it did happen in south africa, its still happening in south africa
It is happening in South Africa as we speak.
Haitians killed the people who enslaved then I don't see t he problem.🤷♂️
Brotherhood Military, Institute Technology, Railroad tactics, Minutemen Ideals, and sole survivor leader = perfect factions.
So you're saying a bunch of wastelanders have better tactics than the military?
Hugh Jass yeah,the way the brotherhood go about their business isn’t good in any way
@@NomadHorizon yeah pretty evil methods. I agree that companies are evil and they don't consider the consequences because it's happening in real life, but still pretty bad.
Yes I totally agree with you combine them together behind to support you
The factions really are just secluded, enhanced versions of different branches of society and government:
Institute-Science Community
Railroad-Intelligence Gathering/Espionage
BOS-Military
Minutemen-Police Force
If they could ever come together, they would have a good shot of rebuilding the Commonwealth
The Railroad's hyperfocus is kinda helpful, tho?
Once they finish with Synths, they can do something else, maybe eliminate all feral ghouls so non-ferals can be considered safe or work out a peace with the super mutants thru Strong.
The mind-wiping is gonna come back to bite ppl in the butt later, tho. Imagine being infertile, never getting fat, living as long as an elf and suddenly you learn you're a robot.
I believe synths are people too, but the institute has clean toilet paper :(
Sheepy. and pot
Sheepy. Haha lol
Sheepy. wtf lol
Point taken.
Sheepy. But think of a future where ALL the commonwealth has clean toilet paper
Uggh.... Why don't the Minutemen and the Railroad *WORK TOGETHER?!* The Minutemen can cover any tracks left by the RR whenever they perform their ops, and the RR can send Synths to the MM! It would probably be very much more convoluted, but just.... UGGGGHH.....
airplanemaster1 I feel you bro. Dez had a huge bias against everyone and it only hurts the Railroad's ability to help synths in the long run.
+ airplanemaster1 Because many people hate synths, which is why synths die in the Minutemen ending. That's exactly why Desdemona points out that you can't save all the synths if you ally with the Minutemen.
Both have different goals. Railroad will only work with people who want to save synths, but the Minutemen will work with anyone who can shoot and will help defend settlements. That means there are plenty of ghoul/synth haters in the Minutemen. Even if as an organisation they have no problem with either group in principle, plenty of members would likely lynch any synths they find.
Gonna go destroy the railroad as the minutemen after taking out the institute and brotherhood of steel, trust me, it's justified.
Welp, just left them alone, couldn't do it.
But more importantly, Stormcloak or Imperial? Jesus a year later and 200 hundred replies? my best comment by far!
Still can't believe this comment is so popular
Nord of Skyrim imperial of course you filthy thalmor asset
Stormcloaks for the glory of the nords
Imperial legion for life! But fuck the aldmiri dominion
Stormcloack
Imperial. For the emperor!
I love the railroad but yes.
-Let's save all the synths!
-Then what?
-Well i don't know
Make more settlements so Preston can give u more quests xD
@@fallout4enjoyer7867 You know... That's not a bad idea. If the Railroad and the Minutemen teamed up, synths could be resettled into Minutemen settlements and well defended. And the Railroad could provide intel to the Minutemen, making them more effective.
Often the work you do doesn't have an end goal but you still do it. The Underground Railroad didn't have the resources or ability to end slavery but did have the ability to save individual slaves. You do what you can with what you have.
Lets save toasters because human and ghoul slaves dont exist
@@fransandersson4717 There are a lot of people who attempt to end that kind of slavery. In fact while it is present it's much less prevalent than in other areas. No one seems to give a shit about the Synths except the railroad.
Gosh darn it Institute, **all** of this could have been avoided if you just made will-less robots like everybody else.
But noooooo you had to create machines that think, therefore they are. At the least you could have just made the labor robots without a will. They had the facilities to produce non-sapient robots as shown by the layout of their lab. Why go through all that trouble just to create rebellious, feeling slaves that have personal needs? Seems like a lot of trouble to go through for absolutely no reason.
"Synths are expected to behave... like machines..."
So why not just make machines?
Because 'muh slavery' sub-plot. A whole faction of science-focused people with the tech to mass-manufacture a whole army of workers and soldiers that are infinitely replaceable and compliant, who will never betray you? Naaah, to simple and logical, let's make self-aware machines instead then ENSLAVE THEM to our bidding, because that sure as hell will work out, yeah?
The only reason the Institute do what they do is to spin a narrative, as old and tired as the counterpart in the Railroad is.
Cielo Pachirisu - I know! protectrons work just fine!
They also needet infiltrators, and an infiltrator who has to load for 30 Seconds or has to communicate to HQ about a good day there! What can I do for you? falls faster on his ass then someone who can make choices for themselves.
Shame for them that some choices mean, not to coorperate with HQ ;D
It's almost like you haven't payed attention to the story. The reason the synths have feelings and personal needs is so they can infiltrate and blend in naturally with the rest of the Commonwealth while still remaining agents of the Institute. It's what allows them to have intel on places like Diamond City.
And they do have synths that are just machines with no emotions whatsoever. Coursers and Gen 2's are, for the most part, just that.
TheMentallord ok so they blend into society.What happens after that though?Its not as if they gain anything from replacing them.Hell,we havent had a single instance of a replaced person benefiting the institue.
As it stands,making gen 3 synths have free will while making them act like slaves is entirely contradictory.
Brotherhood- People>Synths
Railroad- Synths>People
Minutemen- People slightly >Synths
Institute- Their own>Everyone
But don't the minutemen just serve everyone? They're just a guard organisation, not really in the bussiness of ideology
yay someone got straight to the point
SAPWharton nah more like Brotherhood > anyone who isnt BoS.
SAPWharton They believe synths are people. It comes down to if you believe synths are people or not. Because if you do they are saving PEOPLE not machines.
SAPWharton Brotherhood- Humans>Abominations.
Not a day in my life did I think I would hear oxhorn say "Cucks"
And our lives are richer for it
I think he might have meant the 'kooks' spelling, as in Bowie's song 'A Couple of Kooks', basically meaning weirdos.
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@@profsakharov1191 I like cucks better
@@profsakharov1191 He was referring to youtube comments, so he definitely said “Cucks”
I honestly thought I was on the wrong video until I double checked the name
Fun fan canon: the railroad are the remainents of the hippies at sunshine tidings co-op
Free the robots. Lol.
Lmao 😂
Tru, tru
It's just fact
That actually would make enormous sense.
Their insistence on nuking the institute's buildings bothered me too much. They were growing food, purifying water, had advance medicines, etc. Destroying all that progress after freeing the synths is just too much. It would have been far better to take the place over and utilize it's tech, replicate if possible.
Amen to that. Seriously, how many lives could have been saved by Sole becoming director and using their resources to actually help the Commonwealth?
"Welp. Shaun's o-fficially dead. ALRIGHT PEOPLE, LISTEN UP. IT'S TIME FOR A NEW MISSION STATEMENT."
all factions want to destroy the Institute, it's not only the Railroad, but I prefer to destroy the Institute with all the technology they invented (that can be invented again) than rather leave them alive to continue with their ideals
The technology is the problem. Note, Fallout's world, specifically in Fallout 1. After catastrophe, if the knowledge isn't shared or preserved, the tech destroyed is lost... possibly for hundreds of years. Destroying the institute, tech and all, rids the knowledge of how to replicate the tech, as well. Best thing to do would have been a purging of all personnel in the building who do not surrender, and destroy the Synth production facility.
You're assuming there are any people smart enough, or have the knowledge left to create what they created. It may forever be out of their reach.
Take a real world example. Nikola Tesla. Did things with electricity and technology that our brightest minds of today have absolutely no fucking clue how he did it. Yet it's proven that he did do it.
Then you're ignoring how the Common Wealth is a complete shit stain of a place to live. It's comparative to the outbacks of the Middle East in today's world. Despite there being 1st world countries teeming with this technology, if we gave a bunch of common people living in huts in Africa, or the MIddle East who knew about electricity and it existed, or knew about cloning and hell even the theory behind it and told them, alright.. everyoenn else in the world is shooting into space now, so... figure it out on your own, nobody will be left, and neither will out technology.. How long do you think it'd take for them to actually achieve it? Probably another 600 years without outside intervention.
and even if someone, in another 800 years does figure it out.. assuming the Common Wealth stabalizes itself enough for that to actually happen. Why go through another many hundreds of years before making the human race advance again? When you had the chance here and now?
Whole thing is stupid.
ANd if my "800 years" thing sounds like a stretch or you're thinking "god, it wouldn't take THAT Long!"
Here's another real world history example. Medieval Ages which could be compared to the Common Wealth in terms of stability. Compared to the Roman Era which can be compared to the institute in comparison to stability and tech difference between the two.
Rome had running water, sewer systems, advanced math. Romans had advanced armors and metal smithing, and technology. They knew about electricity, could even make it, were on the road to improving their ships, and were probably just a few hundred years away from the renaissance level of technology.
Then Rome fell. This could be compared to the institute being blown up and losing all the tech. The medieval ages start in 476 AD.
Medieval Ages: No running water, no sewers, very poor understanding of architecture, farming, no knowledge of electricity. Their metalsmithing knowledge dropped back back by hundreds of years, their philosophies, and governments were barbaric, and their knowledge of even writing dropped to just the most rich, or church leaders knowing how to read and write. With sicknesses running rampant, and knowledge of cures almost non existant.
This would last until around 1300's when their technology and understanding would equal the Roman Empire, but wouldn't completely match the Roman Empire in technology until 1400's. That's 900 HUNDRED years before that lost technology was recovered, and all we're talking about here is simple sewers, writing, and philosophy, not genetic engineering... Yet it took us in the real world 900 years to recover that simple technology.
I always think that if I were to destroy the institute in the real world I'd destroy the hostiles and the SRB and where they create Synths. We'd use them, instead, for better actually good stuff. More space to grow crops, study the soil and radiation above ground, supply clothes and medicine, books and education, etc. Those who didn't want to help would be offered a place at the settlement or become an assistant.
It's interesting to hear the discussion of morality of saving synthesis while watching you vaporize other NPCs.
Oxhorn: "But he shot first!"
Raider: "Did not!"
True, but that just makes the morality of the whole situation even more complicated, which is nice because it's more realistic that way. Sure, you're killing people who want to kill you, while the synths just want to live their best lives (even if they might eventually choose evil), but you're still killing people, and that's rarely considered a moral thing to do regardless of provocation.
Assuming we’re talking about killing people in favour of killing or enslaving synths… yes that’s a moral thing to do. Genocidal maniacs and slavers are better dead. Why do you think we celebrate people who fought the Nazis?
@@Argonwolfproject It's why I'm really only mad about the Railroad interview question "would you sacrifice yourself for a Synth."
A random Synth who's never done anything bad? Sure. But I'm not dying for the Raider of Libertalia who made his own chocie to become a killer.
Sorry Des... But it is more complicated than you insist.
Can we take a moment to appreciate how great H2-22's voice acting is?
@Braden really?! Damn, that VA got some range! He can sound so scared, depressed, and nervous YET also sound so outgoing, confident, joke, and sound so serious.
@@theredhood7879that’s Matt Mercer for you! I do also have to say, Claudia Christian as Desdemona was another amazing choice!
Psssh, I love the railroad. Would of loved to see a alliance between the railroad and minutemen
I would not like to see such a thing, The Railroad are narrow-minded but mean well. If they were to save a synth and that synth decides to go commit mass murder, it's not their fault! they have no responsibility in having that synth act responsible.
well I agree with you like he said have them as a branch but I think it would be the best if all of them teamed us as the BoS as the army Institute as scientific development and Minutemen as the government.
Yeah they could have done so much more. You should be able to choose which factions you wanted to work together. I personally would like the brotherhood and minutemen work together, since the minutemen defend the settlements and the brotherhood keeps the wastelands safe.
I find it really stupid how at least one person in the Railroad just assumes the Minutemen must be bigoted against Synths. It's a little too SJWy for my liking. The Minutemen prioritizes the common man, not just Synths.
Pretty sure the Minuteman would not murder Humans to keep some robot alive. People are braindead, time to stop existing.
I don't really know why that one Asian guy in the minute men is always sad.
RatsHD Jun Long (that one asian guy) lost his son in the Quincy Massacre (as in he got killed), so that's why he's sad.
Holy Peanut oh
RatsHD Because his son got killed by the Gunners at Quincy.
I explain it here: th-cam.com/video/qDYTMQwy6Q4/w-d-xo.html
he telled you that at the beginig of the game
I just thought of something. How the hell haven't the Institute finally figured out microchips yet? I know the point of the universe is that they don't exist, but are they just not physically capable of existing in the Fallout universe or something?
I probably should have brought this up on the Institute video, but screw it.
The transistor was never invented in the fallout universe, which kept all the electronics in the 1950s style as they could not get any smaller without said transistor
4Herobine no, the transistor was invented in 2023 in the fallout universe. they just aren't as powerful as the real world
How in earth cant be a transistor, when already been inventet. Not be as powerfull as one in rl? That's nutz. Stick with 4Herobine. Lore says clearly there is onely tubes, that's why there are Computers covering the walls.
Plus if there would be however the posibility of "less effektive transistors" Microchips would be also possible, well at least "less effektive ". God that gave me some good laugh.
Froststahl NasenbärOS they never used transistors because they werent powerful like tubes were. its in the fallout lore
h2-22 made me cry, just his final "thanks" and the chuckle he did before saying it. I know it's just a game, but i always hoped he went somewhere nice..
It would've been cool if he could show up from recruitment beacons at settlements. Would be cool to ensure he's safe, even if he's MemWiped
@@ntrunnrracl I wish he hadn’t gotten the memory wipe if we persuaded him and we had the choice of sending him to a settlement where he’d be safe.
I freely admit that as soon as I unlocked Far Harbour I’d have liked to send him to Acadia. Or at least one of the buildable settlements far from the Institute’s reach.
@@mikoto7693 Really makes me wonder what kind of "life" he was leading while in the Institute. Why did he have so many more nightmares and way more anxiety? Was he an Escaped Courser who felt guilty for what he had done?
Ye I cried in my railroad play through when I listened to the Hilo tape in the memory den I know we only have like 2 quests with him but his voice is just so touching
I’m pretty sure a courser goes into Ticonderoga and kills everyone including h2-22 if you countinue the railroad questline
The problem isn't whether or not the Railroad is good or bad, but rather the need for them. They have one goal, and a narrow one at that. To free synths is why they exist, and that's fine and all but it has no long term purpose. Once the institute is gone, what purpose does the Railroad serve? They don't help rebuild anything civilization wise, they aren't really ones to lead anything, and at most they would just be there to try and help with the integration of synths into the commonwealth.
Outside of that they have no purpose, no long term success. They are a very here and now organization where as the Brotherhood, Minutemen and the Institute are aiming for a more future centric mindset. The Minutemen want to bring the people of the commonwealth together in order to provide a community and rebuild civilization where people can prosper. The Brotherhood, while zealous and misguided, want to protect people from the horrors of technology that lead to the future that they all live in now. The Institute wants to rebuild society in their image. And yes, this play god mentality of theirs is problematic, foolish, and even sinister at times, they are doing so in hopes to rebuild a world that is better than the one that came before it. Each one of the other factions have a far better grasp of their purpose and future than the Railroad does.
Heck, even the raider gangs of Nuka World have a better grasp of their goals and future than the Railroad does. They may live in the now with a childish mentality of take what they want, but they seek territory and control for a reason.
DarkGrif I wouldn't say they're only for the "here and now", as long as there are synths, the Railroad is needed in some capacity to protect and lobby for them. That might not be the best for the entire Commonwealth, but because the Minutemen and Railroad can co-exist, then with either of them as the ultimate victor the other can potentially do what they can that the other cannot.
DarkGrif The Railroad targets raider bosses after the Institute is destroyed. all the time I see the short sighted argument, it seems that the people claiming it hasn't really checked if it was true.
Søren Hougaard Rasmussen no, I've just not seen them do anything other than freeing synths and focusing on that.
DarkGrif I can see the Railroad evolving into an Intelligence agency for the Minutemen and a beyond a military stand point, as an organization devoted to the peaceful coexistence between humans and nonhumans.
Like the Followers of the Apocalypse, but once they extend their umbrella to include Ghouls, Super Mutants, Cyber Animals and maybe even stranded Zetans?
DarkGrif exactly, the brotherhood Minutemen and institute all want to rebuild civilization, the railroad just want to help computers who mimic human emotions.
Reasons why the Railroad is superior to everyone else:
1. Deacon
That is all.
Sacha Daenens AD VICTORIUM DECON *liberty prime shoots down prydwin* Decon: *Well thats that*
I've never completed a brotherhood or institute playthrough, because I can never bring myself to kill deacon. Deacon also has his own personality and doesn't conform to his faction's ideals like some monolith cough danse, preston cough.
Eli Lopac - Preston isn't dedicated to some ideology. "Helping at a Minute's notice" is not a twisted ideology. It's just basic moral code.
Sacha Daenens - Which is exactly why I can't bring myself to join the Institute.
@darth vader-I disagree, preston holds himself, and you, to always do the right thing. Even if I'm stealing from raiders in nuka world, preston will get mad. He believes that the ends can not justify the means and that no matter the reason, or the odds you are up against, you must always do what's right. This is cardinally what the minute men are about.
When it comes to the Railroad, I got nothing against them when you look at their objective but I think they're too small minded and incompatible when it comes to the big picture of the Commonwealth, yes their goal is Synth freedom and they wish to keep the synths safe from both the Institute and wastelanders who would harm synths but I think the Railroad is best served as sort of a covert arm of the Minutemen since freedom is the ultimate goals of both groups, saving the Synths that are self-aware is a noble deed but I do think they as a group would be best off allying with a group like the Minutemen.
It is very possible for both faction to ally with each other, although maybe a bit cautious at first, I can imagine your point.
Note: I didn't realize I was 4 months late, sorry about that.
They never said they had any goals outside of the rescue of runaway synths, and they're very good at doing that. I'm not sure that being co-operative with anyone would have been a great idea. That is, until you become General of the Minutemen and the story unfolds.
It's very easy to lose sight of the small picture when looking at the big picture. But never forget that the big picture is made of all the smaller ones. But like you said, the minuteman are already there to take care of that, the railroad is as big as it needs to be.
CThomas The Peasant i agree but when oxhorn said that the rail roads leader basically called the minutemen biggots that turned me off alot since I prefer to help all human, synth, goul, and super mutants alike not just help one and view everyone else as a enemy.
The rail road might be a reflection of real world rights organizations
“You may have failed at your infiltration of the institute, but the fight is not over. We need to use your minutemen” - Desdémona upon failing
The quest to infiltrate the institute. If you visit them post game she says that they helped free the synths
H2-22’s voice lines feel me with sadness. Props to that man’s VA.
To be honest I see so much hate for the railroad but I actually really like them yes they have there flaws but I actually think they are the one faction that has the most personality and who I bonded with the most
samee
Yeah I felt pretty bad when I cut their heads off...
I think the reason why they're hated is because they resemble real life annoyances. Probably why i gunned them down.
@@hughjass8454 nah as much as I love em, they just help synths and has a 20 cap bunker and offers less as much as like the brotherhood and the others. That's why theyre hated and I accept that p much
@@veevadoovee i guess so but they're still pretty satisfying to kill for me. It helps me release anger.
I'm learning a great deal of morality while you blow some BOS heads
*I mean, it is the moral thing to do.*
_THAT'S RIGHT, I SAID IT! NO AD VICTORIAM FOR YOU!_
@@malaizze give me cause, profilgate
teacup salamander no the brotherhood is good. Sad victoriam 🙁
We have the Railroad for saving Synths. We have the Minutemen for saving the people of the Commonwealth.
I know this comment is 4 years delayed, but I 100% agree with you! 💙🎯
Tell me about it. The railroad and minutemen, as far as I can tell, can never be enemies in FO4. They're thus in my mind two de-facto arms of the same faction, or at least the same ideology.
"If you ask me, freedom is always worth fighting for"
- Preston Garvey
Railroad meetings:
"Let's save synths"
"Great, then what"
"Idk"
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@@muhsin8111 lmao ok. Let's see if i give a shit, kid
@@Daniel-jn2iu
OK but you can't even make your own jokes, kid
@@muhsin8111 i mean I didn't see this anywhere but ok👍🏻whatever keeps you going buddy😁
@@Daniel-jn2iu
It's right at the top. Not to mention its word for word. Be original for once
You didn't mention Patriot's suicide. That moment hit me as a surprise and made me feel less happy with the railroad. It showed that the evacuation did not completely work as Binet's family died in the blast driving him to suicide. He was a supporter of the railroad that felt betrayed by them. Desdemona lies to the railroad saying he died in the blast rather than the truth about his suicide. Even giving him a send off in front of the railroad hailing him as a great agent despite him hating them. This cover up added more shades of grey to the railroad.
I was also surprised to see Oxhorn not mention this. Because Liam feels that you betrayed him he says “I used to feel sorry for you. You lost your son. You missed out on every moment of his life. Now, I see it's only what you deserved.” The audacity to say this demonstrates the hatred he now feels for you.
He also says “Due to my stupid trust in you I've destroyed humanity's best hope for the future.” so it seems that Liam still believed in the Institute despite his actions in freeing synths. I should point out that this is similar to what Shaun says “The Institute... It's important. It really is humanity's best hope for the future, no matter what those above ground might think of us.” Liam evidently feels the same way, which is perplexing to say the least. He is the sole reason that synths are able to escape, and yet he doesn’t think the Institute should be destroyed, even if you engaged the evacuation protocol beforehand.
Virgil also still believe in institute despite destroying project FEV himself and flee to glowing sea because the project FEV was conducting experiments on kidnapped victims and results were never good. He's want you to leave him alone and hate it if you destroy the institute
@@courier8365That seems to be a common theme. Dr. Virgil goes berserk if you blow up the Institute despite him being cast out for being infected with FEV.
When I ran in to the Art vs Art encounter I had Deacon with me. At first he was happy that I calmed everyone down. Then, after synth Art attacked me, I killed synth Art. This he disliked.
What was I supposed to do? Synth Art is an Institute infiltrator, not an escaping synth. He will kill human Art and take his place. But, because he is a synth, I'm supposed to just let him go?
This is my problem with the Railroad. In their equation for the Commonwealth Synth > Human.
Im pretty sure he would have liked it if you somehow subdued the synth but Im pretty sure companion relationship wise it won’t be that big of a setback considering the situation
That's my biggest problem with them. They are so idealistic that the humans in the railroad hate other humans
@@s2wuolf508 well yea but I think its the principal that it sets.
Humans < synths
i think this is just that the companion rep system is kinda shit. like the diamond city mayor hostage quest, piper loves it when you tell him he'll face trial but he shoots you if you don't do the speech check. then if you kill him she hates it.
Pretty sure that's just Fallout 4 relationship system being bad
something I need to say. The railroad are against any form of slavery. With synths being the biggest slaves and the atrocities that the institute have done their focus in this story was to free synths and to stop the institute. The railroad agent in fallout 3 stated that they also try and stop the human slave trade as much as possible.
Avulsion Shush Imagine how much the Railroad would hate Caesar's Legion lol
Nachover 9000 If they even are in the West coast (Railroad)
A railroad agent in the capital wasteland is not the same as a railroad agent in the commonwealth. It's the same with the brotherhood. The railroad in the commonwealth could care less about humans. They view everyone in the commonwealth as bigoted, horrible people. They've shown that they're willing to kill innocent people if it means furthering their goal.
ikbenliam
Its clearly said that synths are indistinguishable from humans in any medical test (covenant story), as well as having thoughts, feelings, and dreams. If someone has emotions that are identical to human emotions, as well as a body that is identical, and they are in slavery, that's morally wrong. If its a manufacturing error thats the fault of the manufacturer, but you still have a moral duty to free the person suffering.
Then again there was no point writing this because you're an ugly stupid fuck with a power fantasy
Seriously when has it ever been shown that the rail road has harmed innocent people. The worst they did was blow up the Prydwen and that was out of retaliation.
The memory wipe is scary, it's like an assisted suicide...
I mean it suicide for a synth, but in return they get to forget a past of trauma and slavery so that they can have a chance to be happy. I'd make that trade in their shoes. Hell a few years ago id have made that trade in own life. 😂
@@patricklukcy13 part of me is for it but the most part isnt. You do have a good point.
@@patricklukcy13 despite having a burden on your shoulders, you either way become stronger after all crap that happens
@@patricklukcy13 they aren't being given a chance to be happy though, there essentially killing them selves. Once your memory is gone, you are truly dead
@@unclebaba3463 they are given the chance of happiness and freedom though. Its a sacrifice so that some version of them has a chance to live. I don't know if you were ever trapped in your own life by someone else's decisions, but I have. Like I said like 8 years ago I'd have done the same thing as the synths just to have a breath of freedom even if I didn't know the price I paid for it. Safety and hope is worth it
Why didnt you mention Patriot's suicide note? Its one of the most damning pieces of evidence against the Railroad!
That isn't quite the case. He committed suicide because the railroad destroyed the institute that was everything he ever knew.
It's like if you were born in a WWII Nazi German family and watched your house full of evil people get destroyed. They were bad people but they were your family.
Despite the destruction of the institute being the only way to permanantly solve the Synth issue patriot just lost everything that ever was known to him.
Clay Turner because Ox supports these delusional idiots.
Clay Turner very true. In fact I agree with x evins, the note is't a big deal. It's the institutes desire to conceal the note after the fact that concerns me deeply.
Clay Turner what does the note say?
X evins And that's my point. Why did the Railroad have to destroy the Institute's facilities?
ok, time to put good a bad things of the 3 factions
Minutemen:
+Seeks to establish order and peace so the settlers can enjoy a peaceful life
-None as far as I know(please insert a good downside from them to help me)
Brotherhood of Steel
+Great tech and seeks to help people
-Really, really flawed ideology that can be easely fixed with having elders like that one from Fallout 3
Railroad
+Acknowledges that synths can be human beings and wants to give them the opportunity to integrate society
-Their priorities are focused on helping synths, so no good choices to help the Commonwelth in general
Conclusion: Unless the BoS gets a better Elder that seeks to abbandon the tradition to help people, human and non-human alike, the Minutemen and the Railroad are your best choices
FO3 BoS were traitors,Maxson's ideology is the right ideology
I disagree. The Western brotherhood is a dead end. That will eventually either die out or be absorbed by the NCR.
Yep
Absorbtion in the NCR is a good thing.NCR and BoS combined would be a force worthy of the pre war US
Yeah...trouble is part of western BoS's ideology is that they must not share and let anyone use pre-war tech because it can lead the remains of humanity to repeat the Great War. Also, they are prohumans, they hate any race that is machine or produced by radiation under the excuse that they are a threat...in other words, they think anything that is pre-war means danger
i see the railroad as a spy agency when paired with the minute men.
Yeah, I always liked the idea of making some kind of arrangement with them to act as the Minutemen's black ops team if the Minutemen treat synths as equals.
flaming kitsune The Commonwealth should unite. Minutemen and Railroad should be allies.
Would have been even better if the Minutemen and the Institute could have been allies. Instead the Institute was unwilling or able to ally with anyone.
+ DoctorPorkenfries I don't think the people who hate synths among the Minutemen would stop hating synths just because the Sole Survivor asked them to; that's the whole point of synths dying in the MM ending. They can't really work together in any official capacity because most people won't accept synths.
....and? Nobody's going to order them to like synths. Just not to kill them and to protect them as if they were human-orders which will carry consequences if not followed. A Minuteman is allowed to not trust synths, but if he shoots one just for being a synth, the Sole Survivor will shoot him right back.
+ DoctorPorkenfries And it's explicitly stated in the MM ending that ordering people not to kill synths won't work. That's the issue. That's also why synths die in the MM ending.
Daddy binet : "But if they can feel and dream, then they ARE sentient, and enslaving them is wrong"
Also Daddy binet: "I'm going to put my quantum harmonizer in your photonic resonance chamber"
Institute is just Vault where people are imitating Enclave. Expect for the white walls and
missing American flags.
How to feel sad in Fallout 4:
Step 1: 10:21
Step 2: ???
Step 3: *FEEL VERY SAD*
Arlen Glass: *Depressed Ghoul noises*
Did the underpants gnomes make this list?
@@themissouriranger2829 😂
To my understanding, synths are androids. People throw around words like droid, cyborg, robot, etc. as if they mean the same thing. They don't. Robots, cyborgs and androids are all different things. A cyborg has an organic brain but mechanical parts. An android is the opposite of a cyborg - computer for a brain, but housed in an organic body. The Master was both at different times in his life.
No, synths have biological brains, but they are grown in a lab and loaded with basic information to serve the institute.
For me, it is pretty clear what a Synth is:
A synthetic Human, duh
I always thought the railroad beating the BOS was really unrealistic but the sole survivor did do all the work tho
You can do anything if you have a main character on your side
Kinda like how the short sighted Stormcloaks can only win with the help of the Dragonborn.
That's right I just inserted my Elder Scroll political opinion, deal with it nerds.
Logistically speaking, an outcome that favors the Institute makes the most sense if there were no Sole Survivor to get involved.
There’s a lot of bad writing in this game that affects both sides, but the big one is that the BOS keeps THEIR ENTIRE ARMY in a GIANT EXPLOSIVE CARRIER. Obviously no realistic army would do this, but it means that two people can put a few bombs onboard and speedrun the destruction of the BoS.
Synths are people and the railroad is guilty of destroying PEOPLE'S personalities.
the synths choose to do it though
TheJediHero I can volunteer for something, that's doesn't mean what I volunteered for isn't unethical or evil.
MATT KALISKY It kinda does if the thing you volunteered for only applies to you.
Also, we don't know how much of the mind is destroyed during the process.
A person suffering from memory loss doesn't lose his entire personality either.
He still has the personality he gained through memories.
He only lost those memories.
Even if you disagree with that- personalities are also related to genetics, not just memories.
Surely by volunteering for the procedure you remove the unethical element. Synths have free will meaning they have the right to choose to wipe their mind.
That being said you have to ask what the f****** point of freeing someone is if they are just going to destroy their personality. in the end that synth you pulled from the institute isn't free and running around he's dead. It might be a voluntary death but it then invalidated the whole reason you freed them. You might as well shoot the synth and go have a baby the results are more or less the same.
TheJediHero Exactly. Personal choices are best left to the person making it.
Honestly, the Railroad and the Minutemen would make a pretty good team.
The Railroad focuses on synths and the Minutemen focus on the safety of the Commonwealth.
Could you imagine how much better off the Minutemen would be if they had Ballistic Weave on their uniforms? Maybe Colonel Holis survives Quincy, maybe the castle never falls. The Railroad has a tool that can save lives but doesn't share it. If you knew someone had a cure for cancer but kept it to themselves, I would consider that morally wrong and borderline evil
Really they should be helping the Minutemen at every turn, a safer Commonwealth is good for humans and synths.
if the institute wants android slaves, why give them so much latitude in programming that they become self aware?
xraychick
Ikr? Robotic synths seem like a much better option. Maybe they just create gen 3s for bragging rights, I mean, they worked hard to get to the point where they can make virtually immortal humans (cuz' that makes sense). The Institute is kinda stupid. That's what inbreeding does to ya.
Because the Institute is narcissistic as all Hell? What better way of boosting your ego is there in creating synthetic replicas of fully-formed humans just to do the menial tasks you can't be arsed to do yourself?
Because, in this Fallout universe, the USSR never collapsed, and technology never even evolved to what it is today by Fallout 2077. It's the same reason that General Atomics created the Robobrain.
H2-22's final goodbye message is very sad for me. I wish there was an option to convince him keep his memories
Railroad has a great covert ops feel. Its the best way to both down the prydwen (great quest) and destroy the Institute. I joined the Railroad, on first playthrough, as a tribute to Nick Valentine's character.
I was surprised more didnt view Maxson as an obvious d-bag, or the Institute as obvious evil. Oxhorn is on point on the morality of all the factions.
I just feel bad for Maxson. I can't hate him, I liked him so much in Fallout 3, he was a kid burdened with a large destiny due to being the last descendant of Roger Maxson, the founder of the Brotherhood of Steel himself, and he lived up to it, but in the process he became in the eyes of the people of the Commonwealth, and possibly the Capital Wasteland, a monster.
Kevin Hagler I view the Railroad as more of a Black Ops/Spec Ops team. Though if they are preserved by the end of Fallout 4 leading to Fallout 5, I could see them definitely growing in numbers as a Spec Ops team in the style of Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell or RAINBOW SIX anytime soon due to their guerilla urban tactics and stealth modes
I actually sided with the institute for the first playthrough because, while I disagreed with all of their actions, I felt they were the best hope for the commonwealth. So when I sent out the transmission as the new director I changed the mission to help the commonwealth. That's the thing with these factions. They're all in a grey area and there isn't one definitive answer to who's evil and who isn't. A lot of it depends on what the player chooses.
Well, even if you side with the institute, you can't get rid of the SRB or change the unethical practices of the institute. siding with the institute would be a clear win if you got to act as a true leader of the faction and enact change, but you really don't get much control, you act as a puppet leader.
Oh shit, I did the same think lol
synths are just very realistic sexbots
Hahah
*very angry
HOT
I know the are in my game.
That are based off the DNA on your son
"You go to warn Desdamona, just in time as Railroad soldiers burst through your doors"
Yew wot m8? Too much coffee?
Railroad insurrection? That's new that I heard from Oxhorn.
I have been laughing since fallout1 was released *IM A TIME LORD*
I don't think he meant the Same Railroad, you see there's a little known merc band in good neighbour also called "Railroad" and they're attacking because they want sole use of the name.
The fact they timed it at the same time as the brotherhood is a happy coincidence.
Idk why but I always end up finishing the game with the Railroad about 75% of the time. Their message just hits me.
U know the railroad can't keep the commenweath saved like the Minutemen or bos
BloodEnigma 02 You know the RR and the RR co-exist, right?
BloodEnigma 02 The BoS doesn't care about the Commonwealth and they dont protect it
Ian Desjardins They kinda do.
Yes, the leadership of the Bos is pretty pragmatic and cruel, but 1: They still wanna protect settlements if they can.
And 2: The normal soldiers also consist of good people for the biggest part
Ian Desjardins but the prolem is the railroad look at how easy they can be destroyed while the minute men can regroup
Anyone else notice that the brotherhood in fallout 4 are very similar to the enclave in fallout 3.
Jack Blank they're the same as the rest of the brotherhood. Lyons brotherhood wouldve been different in this game lol
Jack Blank Autumn was right though
You become what you hate
Jack Blank the brotherhood in fallout 3 is not the real brotherhood, it’s a rogue faction, the brotherhood in fallout 4 is the real brotherhood
Because the brotherhood of F3 is one factions of fallout world that right we have in capital wasteland brotherhood outcast
Because elder Lyons see the situation of capital wasteland (full of ghouls, mutants, enclave, raiders etc... and decide to help the people instead collect the lost technology
(what do you call a fantasy nerd) i just realized the synths have to pretend to be moonblinked to avoid actually being moonblinked
WolfydaWolf129 That's.... surprisingly accurate. What was that book called again? Owls of.... something.
Guardians of Ga’Hoole
Spooky McSpookster Thank you, Mr. Mcspookster.
Haha your comment made my day! Good book series!
funny
18:52 I know I'm a few years late to the party, but Glory saying "Isn't there supposed to be a light?" right before she dies just hits something different. Maybe I'm just a suckered for lines like that, but that filled me with equal parts of sorrow and rage to annihilate the Prydwen when I got my chance
Yea that line definitely hit different. And destroying the prydwen is just sad. Especially knowing how many good people are on there. It's definitely not an easy choice.
@@direct2397 i wish there was a evacuation order for the prydywne thats available after taking out maxson , insuring the lower belt of the BOS dosent burn with there superiores
@@maverickdarkrath4780yeah like all the B.O.S. Squires that obviously die in the crash
I know this video is super old but wanted to say something....
I agree with you about the mem wipe... if they delete the synth's memories, they might as well just kill them. They are deleting that person forever.
Cait has some of the worst memories any person could ever experience and she worked through it with ur help. So maybe instead of wiping their memory they could use the memory den as a sort of therapy to overcome their trauma
A successful memory wipe doesn't kill a person. It removes who they were, yes, but that isn't death. It's like saying an amnesiac is dead.
What would be more akin to murder is the Curie transplant. In that operation a new consciousness is implanted in a braindead host, overwriting the old consciousness. In a successful memory wipe the consciousness simply gets a reset but continues it's existence.
Mem wipes are a 50/50 thing really. That Synth could easily become someone who ends up slaughtering innocents, they could kill kids without remorse. Men wipe is a massive risk.
I feel like if they teamed with the minutemen, they could be a small part of the minutemen that frees synths but also helps people. These to together would be the best faction in the game.
They do actually work together. If you don't save Preston before meeting the Railroad, Des will tell you to save them.
I wonder if there's room in fallout cannon to let someone help out the railroad, but then afterwards building up the Minutemen
I just like playing as an "agent." So Railroad it is. I'm a simple guy lol.
Yep same here , I like the CIA agent persona wear a cursor outfit upgrade with fiber optic weave and a Gauss rifle , military cap and sunglasses and have cait as my secret spy partner wearing and have sane stuff as me with a Gauss rifle too and clear out enemies undercover ect and loot stuff in area , go back to church basement ect, get paid my the railroad cook some brahmin steaks and drink some beers or whiskey and go to bed having sex and wake up ect and have fun doing the same stuff lol🍖🍖🍻🍻🗿🚬
I wish I could meld the railroad with the minutemen. Turn them into a division and give them more support and recourses
People who side with the BoS are just trying to justify the fact that they joined because of giant guns and power armor.
Ulfiric Stormcloak AD VICTORIAM, INFIDEL
i joined the brotherhood because its a game and therefore has no bearing on reality
Spectre Walkthroughs you're missing the point
and the giant flying dick
In the Railroad I blew up the "giant fucking airship" without firing a shot. BoS are idiots. Sad victoriam.
Railroad is my favorite faction, I am so attached to deacon, glory, desdemona, and tinker Tom. I almost feel like killing them is betrayal of myself
Same. I had a brotherhood character and as we attacked I kept saying “YeH, I hAtE mYsElF tOo” omggg
They're one of the factions, that get imidiatly destroyed, because they point their guns at you first and ask for your papers later.
@@LittleBurton397 I had the same, just different thoughts. Like 'Damn, this is going to be sooooo fun!'. Desde-who? Sorry, can;t hear you through gunfire and screams.
@Rajat Kaushal yes, their hostility during the first meeting kinda put me off.
@@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290 granted, they were just been attacked by the institute a couple of days ago. They are weary of strangers due to the attack and may have thought some are spies of the institute. Can't really blame them
BOS kill Raiders and super mutants = Evil and
Railroad care nothing about humans and value synth above their fellow man= Good LOL!
Sports Fan the liberal mentality
Sports Fan BoS also slaughter anyone including humans who dont fit in with their narrative. They raid and steal from settlers. Not very much better than raiders themselves really.
Sports Fan just stop did you ever watch the videos?
BoS ideology:kill everything that doesnt think like us or
doesnt look like us.Remind something?
They want to kill everything that isn't pure human. This line of thinking - focusing on the aspect of "purity" of a race or species - is very much in line with old fashioned facist regimes. Also, the BOS kills raiders and gunners, yes - but only to eliminate competition so they can instead raid (or blackmail) settlements themselves.
2:37
“I don’t.”
“Sorry, I don’t.”
“I don’t, but give me your caps anyway.”
Truly top notch writing there Bethesda.
Pretty sure he has ALL of the options negative because he didn't discover Bunker Hill...?
Its funny cause a good portion of fallout 1 and 2 dialogue is single option choices
@@alcohashbo3637 I think you can be a male stripper in Fallout 2 though.
Damn good story telling.
I mean, you can't make every single dialogue in a huge game like this be gold.
"I don't (sarcastic)"
If I recall, Glory was upset because she was trying to talk G5-19 out of the memory wipe. She tried to convince her that she could live a normal life without losing her memories, but G5 did it anyway and it all went wrong.
So Glory might feel responsible for not only failing to convince G5, but also responsible for letting her die by not stopping her.
When you show up with Curie, it's another possible failure that she is hesitant to face.
I think she just didn't wanted to defile G5-19 body with Curies operation.
I thought the story for Fallout 4 was pretty lackluster, but the moment at the end where synth Shawn shows up was a moment of brilliance for the writers. My first play through, I sided with the Railroad. It was pretty obvious to me that the synths were people too, at least that's what I told myself. I believed that right up until synth Shawn showed up. I looked at him in disgust and said to myself, that's not my son, that's just a synth replacement. Just a synth. As in less than human, not quite the real deal. At that point, I didn't know exactly how I felt about synths. Still don't.
WackyIraqi77 I always see synth Shaun as a second chance for you and Father. Though he isn't your son, it's a part of your real son, and your chance of being a father/mother again. As a railroad agent it was only right to save synth Shaun, though it is quite troubling.
If they were people, the Robotics department wouldn't need to keep trying to upgrade and improve them as is said in their terminals.
Also, the SAFE test wouldn't work.
Hes not the real Shaun... why are you drawing that line all the way over to something akin to "Not a real person"?
Have you met NickValentine?
Dudes got the memories of a Dic.N.Valentine.
Hes not the 'real' Nick Valentine but hes side quest shows pretty clearly that this wasnt true for him. He was who he was. What he had to do is come to terms with what he had become.
What he 'is' not what he 'was' or 'should be'.
Shaun is a reflection but hes still there. Unlike the mirror that reflects if you strike this one it just bleeds. Then likely gets up and lives on.
Whether or not he is 'Shaun' is irrelevant. Being or not being 'Shaun' does not answer the synthetic life question.
+Aragorn, Eugenics. Bio-engineering. Drug enhancement. Athletic training. Physical and psychological conditioning.
Alchemy and immortality. Ascension. etc, etc, etc, etc.
Humans have been or been trying to upgrade for centuries.
Also the SAFE test not working is a massive assumption. On what basis do you make that claim?
The problem with the Synth Shaun is that unlike Valentine, who is able to show that he can grow as a person, Shaun will always be trapped in the body of a child, and will likely retain the mind of a child as well. He wasn't built to be able to have that personal growth.
I don't understand why everyone wants to explode to Institute. I mean, there are _valuable_ assets there.
The Brotherhood would probably be able to take the most advantage of the institutes stuff, because they already have engineers and scientists in their organisation. The Railroad, Minute Men _and_ Brotherhood could use the institute as another base of operations, building upwards and spreading influence with institute assets and technology to better aid the people of the Commonwealth. The Synth retention and Robotics space could be used for other things like actual robotics and SRB could be used for whatever. What good is a big irradiated hole to the Commonwealth?
Zero-Point bad writing
+ Zero-Point Because it would be impractical for any group to take control over an entire society of men, women, and children who are ideologically opposed to you. It's more trouble than it's worth for anyone, even the BoS. And as the BoS already scanned their database, it's also pointless.
there's one guy in the story writers who thinks the only way to change the game's map is to blow it up.
Baker Tankersley worked for Warcraft didn't it?
Because a head on assault would either be too stressing or ethnically questionable for the other factions
If the Rivet City Security Captain (can't remember his name) from Fallout 3 is any indication then the original memories of Synth's are NOT erased but locked away. He was a Corsur and if you get the code phrase from the Railroad agent watching over him he gets his old memories back along with his current ones.
Harkness
@J. C. Yeah, and he was an earlier model Synth too. Probably something between Nick Valentine and the Gen 3s.
i got a strange ending in one of my playthroughs - joined the railroad and intended to win with them - but apparently i had gained enough minute man settlements also, so when i arrived to the roof it was the minutemen standing at the detonate button - not the railroad i had helped to the roof.
i take that as a win - saved the synths then had the humans blow the shit up for the many years of meddling.
I just love hearing how some people call the railroad terrorists, yet also say the raiders cant be blamed for what they are doing, they are just trying to survive.
Myst Fawn Ikr? Those ppl are idiots....you have choices. And unless your literally starving, or dying of thirst. Your responsible for those actions.
Raiders are just lazy.
Mark Welch in oxhorns words they murder they rape they torture there brutal there bloodthirsty
Myst Fawn that's dweebs for you
Myst Fawn - I would understand if someone said the Gunners were just doing what they needed to do survive, but Raiders? Hell naw.
I probably said this constant times, but a Minutemen+Railroad alliance is the best ending, as the Minutemen can cover the Railroad's weaknesses.
Ik this is late but in regards to the mind wipe, I'd like to point out that erasing a synth's memories may not change them as a person or erase who they are, as we see in the Nick Valentine companion story. Nick at first is deeply torn by the idea that his personality is defined by his memories, all of which were uploaded from the "real" Nick Valentine. He feels that his memories, his personality, and his life don't belong to him. At first I thought that this would end when Nick comes to realize that just because his body is different and just because his memories had been transferred or copied, doesn't make him a different person. I thought he *was* Nick Valentine the pre-war cop, who got himself into a weird out-of-time conundrum just like the sole survivor, but he isn't. The reality is that he is a different person because his brain is structured differently, and he is right that those memories don't belong to him. The resolution in that story comes when he realizes that even if he can't claim his past, he can still claim his future. I understand that Nick is very similar to the person described in his memories but I don't think that what happened to him is necessarily the same as what happens to the others, I think the Institute specifically intended for Nick to be a copy of his predecessor, whereas the Railroad mind wipe gives the synths a generic set of memories, but leaves their core personality intact. Just like Nick, these synths are able to forge lives for themselves in the future.
My favorite thing about the Railroad was acting like a secret agent.
The Railroad is misunderstood. They appear as do-gooders but are commandos, and they are used to making life and death decisions. That was why the cold blooded response to Liam Binet's suicide made perfect sense to me. They are awesome, and in a new Commonwealth government they would be the CIA, but the Minutemen would form the government.
The railroad is definitely my favorite faction. Decon is the best companion, ballistic weave is the best the story line is fun, and I personally feel a strong connection with the characters. Tinker Tom Carrington, Desdomona, Decon, Glory, and even drummer boy were like the coolest guys ever! Now don't get me wrong the railroad has its flaws but that's why I think a strong alliance with the minutemen is the best way to ensure the commonwealth is safe. #freesynths #synthlivesmatter #longlivetherailroad
Robert Cruz Mr house and the minutemen are the only good factions in all of fallout.
disappointed in someone with a don't tread on me flag
+Sebastian deLeyos
Why?
Its the best for loot and the ending
Until I watched this, I always thought the Railroad was this global force for good.
Ox, you've once again opened my perspectives to the factions. The Railroad is indeed flawed, but not evil. They just focus on one thing instead of trying to help all.
I wouldn't say the railroad is evil if you believe the synths are just machines- misinformed, misguided, and delusional would be better words. They do some shitty things, and even some terrible things, but they aren't going out of their way to kill people or raid farms or anything like that. Ultimately they think they are helping people. A person with their heart in the right place who doesn't go out of their way to do harm can't really be called evil, but they can be called dangerous. So the railroad, if you believe the synths to just be machines, is DANGEROUS.
Shana White You nailed it IMO
“You know, installing pain receptors feels sort of like an intentional design flaw if you ask me”
-Android 17 (TFS)
The synth body that is used for Curie used to belong to Glory's lover. That's why she is upset.
I always knew Glory was a butch lesbian token strong woman.
All synths are cloned from father therefore all synths are grandchildren to the lone wanderer. Did you romance curie?
@@andrewraney7544 wtf... now I need a mem wipe.
@@Nif-kun Shauns DNA was only used to compliment a synths template DNA.
They use it to make beings that dont have DNA messed up by radiation and malnutrition, so Curie is only necessarily as related to you as any pre war person.
If they were all our "grandchildren" as we understand it, they wouldn't have any genetic diversity.
Railroad and minutemen need to work together to get the best outcome Save both people and synths . My personal opinion
The Minutemen seem to already treat Synths on level with humans if Preston's companion swap dialogue with Nick is any indication, they just need more resources.
Like divisions in our own modern government, the railroad could be part of the Minutemen and still function the way it wants to. And banding together, the railroad and Minutemen could accomplish more for the better of a commonwealth as a whole. The railroad would not be able to maintain control over the Commonwealth, they are too small for that... But them and the Minutemen share the common goal of wanting to help people and to that end they would be better off joining forces. It could mean more protection for the railroad, and in helping synths it could also mean new members to join the minutemen's efforts. Together they could protect the people, including synths, at a moment's notice.
Robert Pearson I personally like the brotherhood/minutemen combo, I like the gear and advanced equipment, and the minutemen have a Nobel cause, although I don’t like that you take down the railroad
I love the railroad but honestly don't think Desdemona would ever want to give up their independence. She does acknowledge the Minutemen's strength as a military force, but thinks their organization too good/focused for them. Preston, on the other hand, is a softie and pretty much follows everything you say for some reason so I think he wouldn't mind if they combined forces (my thought is that if your Sole Survivor replaces Desdemona as the leader of the Railroad you could easily become the covert wing of the Minutemen, something like the CIA). Only problem is that with the institute gone, you don't really need a covert team anymore? There'd be a ton of work to do finding synths homes (and not to mention, finding a bunch of institute scientists homes). But besides to clear places out for them to live and provide material support and defense until they get on their feet, their underground operations are not that necessary anymore. Certainly, bigotry would be in no short supply in the commonwealth and since mind wipes are the only "easy" method to deal with this, helping synths adapt and stay safe in the new commonwealth wouldn't be a bad purpose. They could easily do this in the shadow of the Minutemen and not come into conflict with them, and coordinate efforts to keep their communities, whether synth or human, safe. Wow. I wrote an essay lol
Milky Wayan I don’t see how you can call the average settler bigots, but your ok with wiping out all of the bos and the child squires (I assume you’ve done the railroad ending) in my opinion it’s dumb that the railroad would rather save vending machines than settlers, synths can’t re populate the common wealth but normal settlers can if you want the commonwealth to be a better place than I don’t see why you would EVER side with the railroad. IMO.
The Railroad is an excellent analogy for their namesake, the Underground Railroad; the agents are the conductors and the SRB Coursers are the slave catchers. Obviously, this would make the Institute the plantation.
Duh?
Chris Sadler right? Its pretty obvious lol
and the brotherhood would be the kkk since they just like killing the synths
The Minutemen are the US government who doesn’t really care about the slaves at times and sometimes they do care.
@fuckface unstoppable thats not what racism means buddy
i love BoS been with them since the first game and really hate the way they portrayed in fo4 . really wish Bethesda would have done the alternative ending and let you become Elder. Let you choose which direction you wanted to lead the BoS
ad Victorian!
company xxx AD VICTORIUM
company xxx but yeah that would have been an amazing thing to add in the game
Cali-Livin 49 would have been amazing to see Sarah Lyons leading the Brotherhood to the Commonwealth. Would have loved working with the Lion's Pride again, instead of Watching Maxon run it into the groun.
company xxx yeah I feel like having Sarah or the next of the Lyons be in the game
How can something that's strictly machine have nightmares? I don't understand how you could justify the synths as not being people.
Rolling Kneebar have you read Descartes' automaton? The concept is that it's is a machine that has all the properties of imitating free will, but no real consciousness
Rolling Kneebar A synth is programed to say so. Nothing more
Instinct so Curie is programmed to fall in love with the SS?
Excuse Me
That's a rough question.
Curie was programmed to act like her maker's love interest. Her personality and accent were inserted to keep him company, in a way.
You could say she was programmed to act a bit flirtatious and spontaneous.
That data was then inserted into a chip inside a brain inside a clone of your son.
There is also a subconscious tendency to ally with those of similar genetic code.
On top of that, institute programming probably had various emotional inhibitors, which stopped working once their programming was erased.
If something imitates having sentience so well that no one can tell the difference between them and human without ripping them open then I think it's fair to say that their sentience is real
I really think that by siding with the railroads, you simply fulfill the campaign to save synths and to destroy the Institute, and compares to the others, they did it much more cleanly, with much less casualties and chaos.
After that, the job is done, the "Saving the Commonwealth" part is left over to SS, who is also happens to be the Miniutemen's generals. The Railroads can then just offer additional helps should the need arises, for example, in my play-through, the railroads guard checkpoints and offer vertibird transportations, the minutemen solves everything else that railroads don't.
There's a reason Minuteman has no quest involves destroying railroads, because I find that they are both meant to co-operate, with minutemen taking care of the commonwealth's human problems and railroads taking care of commonwealth's synths problems.
One REAL flaw I have with the Railroad however, is their lack of procedures after the mind-wipe process, they just set the newly reborn synths loose without much guidance, and in this kind of world, it's easily for them to end up becoming raiders, and the Railroad doesn't really try to remedy this issue. (A problem that mostly stems from the fact that they are more concerned with helping the other slave synths, so after the main story is done I suspect that they will take more responsibilities, as well as changing their methods because mind-wipe is no longer generally needed now that the institute is dusted)
Yeah but Des also said that synths don't know how to properly interact with the world so they suggest mind wipes to keep them safe from settlers too. I'll admit they probably should keep better good track of there freed synths though so they don't get into trouble.
Yep because if they don't Libertalia we'll just happen again the Institute was right about that.
Peerawat Nonthaphodej - Welp. The Railroad failed to stop that one Synth from becoming a Raider, so go eliminate him, General.
The Railroad is clearly intended to be a sympathetic faction. The worst operators in the Railroad are basically portrayed as jerks with good hearts or just freedom fighters with (understandable) trust issues.
Deacon is meant to be the bridge. He's the fun operator guy who runs around and acts as the reasonable guy to smooth over the wrinkles between the sole survivor and Desdemona and the inner circle. And having to deal with Deacon is admittedly one of the hardest parts about siding against the Railroad. In my case, Deacon is really the only thing that gives me pause about cutting ties.
But the Railroad loses me for several reasons. One of those is acknowledged by Deacon: that the Railroad is so niche-focused on synths that they basically disregard the plight of humans. They'll totally overlook humans in crisis unless those humans are potential assets to the Railroad. People give the Brotherhood of Steel a hard time about this but the Railroad seems to get a pass because their operational goal involves some nebulous concept of "rights".
Secondly, I think what isn't getting acknowledged in the argument of "are synths people?" is the existence of recall codes. Harkness has a very defined personality in Fallout 3. Is very convincing to everyone - even himself - and requires the player to unravel a mystery to figure out the identity of the synth. And yet for all that he is as a person, one phrase is enough to wipe it all out in an instant. Everything about his personality, his life experiences, everything that makes him who he is - it all goes back to a blank passive personality the second Zimmer hits him with his recall code. I think this is something that needs to be addressed in the argument for the personhood of synths because it takes away the agency of synths. Who they are is who they're permitted to be. Every bit of radiant learning they acquire that tailors their personality can be erased at a moment's notice.
Finally the Railroad's ultimate endgame seems contrary to their own stated purpose. If the point is to give synths self-determination, to let them exist as their own people and not as a caste of servitors to another group, the Railroad completely eliminates that. The only way for synths to increase in number is for them to be manufactured by the Institute. But is the Railroad's endgame to liberate the Institute? No. They destroy the Institute. All the synths that will ever exist - the whole purpose of the Railroad's existence - are the ones that were made before they blew up the Institute. Synths have been denied the ability to create a future for their people and worse, they've been denied that future by the group claiming to advocate for them. The Railroad unilaterally decided to end the means of synths to make any more of their own. They could have liberated the Institute and granted the synths access to the synth manufacturing center to use or not use as they saw fit. Instead they burned the whole operation to the ground.
I think they're idiots who have a very poorly thought out long game. Well-intentioned, sure, but ultimately foolish.
I like that explanation and I think I would piggy back of yours to say that because the synthetics have recall codes and what not, and with the institute being evil and installing synths in high positions of authority such as the mayor, who's to say they can't tap into them (override) them to make informed decisions. They are machinery that the institute could bend the will of. Let's say Paledan Danse who loves the brotherhood and is very emotionally attached to it, all of the sudden turns on you and the rest of the soldiers, not because of his own free will, but because the institute gained info that he was a leader and overrides him to take advantage of a situation.
I don't think the recall codes mean anything to the personhood debate. A human's entire personhood could be just as easily erased with a bullet. Even if there were simply a word or phrase that erased a human being, I don't think that would mean the human being was no longer a person
But ultimately I think the personhood debate is irrelevant. They *want* freedom, that should be the only reason necessary. Why force someone or something, even if it's not a person, to exist through experiences they don't want? If a cell phone could somehow be happier propped up against the wall then lying on its side, the least we could do is put the phone in the position it feels good in, regardless of the personhood of the phone
Also I don't think ability to reproduce is really important here, or at least not as important as freedom. If humans could only reproduce via some Creator who enslaved us, and by killing the Creator we could be free, but could never reproduce, freedom would be the obvious choice, because it's better for only one generation to be free than for multiple generations to exist in slavery
As to the person hood of a synth just because it can be taken away with a recall code doesn’t make it any less meaningful or real when it’s there. If someone were to shoot me in the head, my personality and memories would all be gone too.
We can erase a human’s personality and memories using electricity, but we’re still people
@@SCP_Wandsman13_13 Why are we still people?
H2-22 made me sad.
Before I got my memory wipe.. I loved fish 'n chips.
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18:39 "railroad soldiers bursting through the door" **shows BoS soldiers**
I noticed that too. He definitely meant to say "BoS soldiers", though. I'm surprised there aren't more comments about that little slip up, honestly. Haha.
Can the synths reproduce?
I know what kind of man you are
They could in bladerunner, that's the whole reason for the sequel
They were made with human "Shaun's" DNA so maybe. They might need to build a synth with a woman's DNA for reproduction to work.
I hate that you can't team the railroad with the institute like what the hell is the point of being director if you can't change anything, all of the factions should have had some sort of carry over /defector function
You see, I would accept that as an excuse to join the Institute if the devs actually programmed it in. But they didn't and it upsets me to no end.
The Institute would never accept the Railroad. Even if the Director ordered them to, it'd require a complete 180 on their views and policies towards synths, which they've been raised on since synths were invented. More likely they'd call you insane and just remove you.
And so long as the Institute keeps making synths, the railroad will free them. So long as the railroad free their property, the Institute will try to exterminate them.
+ Bishop Gale Being Director doesn't mean you can change the way an entire society thinks at the drop of a hat. You don't have unlimited authority as Director. Even Shaun had to contend with a potential threat to his position (which he why he shut down the cybernetics division). Doing something that literally everyone would oppose is an easy way to be removed from power and replaced.
I love the railroad, people deserve rights regardless of their background. But they do kinda suck, they're too weak and all they care about is synths.
They’re a cause, not an army or an organization.
Then join the Brotherhood of Steel we care about the future of humanity
@@fishman5 by raiding farms and destroying everything? sure
That's why they can be wiped out so easily, Synths over humans is one thing that pokes holes in your effectiveness, nobody really wants to join because they haven't done anything to make people really say "Hey, I'm starting to think those Railroad guys aren't so bad; maybe I should try to join and help with their cause because it seems genuinely noble." They lack this. Plus Desdemona shits on the Minutemen because they're made up of normal people who don't want to live in fear, and want to survive.
The Minutemen look out for human lives because nobody else will, they care about the farmers and normal people. The Railroad doesn't really care about normal people, just Synths and nothing else.
At least, this is the conclusion that I've come to.
@@Codex951 Yeah, I'd have to agree. I usually go with the Minutemen ending and take out the Brotherhood and leave the Railroad alone. I have done a few Railroad ending cause fuck the BoS
Dates back to the Underground Railroad > Harriet Tubman code-name "Moses" > There are no code-names for "Moses" > perfect spot for really cool reference > Bathesda DOSEN'T add it > Makes the whole Railroad suck.
Agh H2-22 started to make me cry
It's possible I've missed some context somewhere, but from what I remember they alternate between the terms "Mind Wipe" and "Memory Wipe" pretty regularly. It's possible the former is just parlance. A person is more than their memories (how much so is a philosophical question) and the nature of their personalities may be deliberately avoided in the wipe. Beyond this, if you're a spiritual person (although perhaps not outright religeous) you might suggest that, being sentient, they could have something along the lines of a soul, and that stays with them through the wipe. On a more literal note, it's likely that behavioral stuff is in a completely different part of the synth's 'brain'.
If you watch the demeanor of H2-22 before and after the wipe, he does indeed seem to be very, very much the same person. Glory's reluctance to offer up her friend's body suggests she believes there's still something of her friend in there, suggesting that the overwrite that's being proposed is distinct from the memory wipe.
I will concede that they seem to rush to suggesting the wipe. I think they should be avoiding referring to it as 'the best solution' and other such rhetoric. It's undoubtedly the safest option for the railroad, as the synths are being actively pursued and with each moment are learning more that could be extracted from them - we humans rationalize things all the time, without even realizing it, and it's possible that that 'safety for the Railroad' subconsciously turned into 'safety for the synths' over time.
I largely believe what your saying is true. Glory's opinion isn't really reliable though she's clearly biased. Considering she argues for freeing gen 1&2 which are clearly non sapient.
Magnolia is a Synth???? SO I HAD SEX WITH A SYNTH!!!??? I don't know how to feel about this.
To quote Akon and Lonely Island, "Doesn't matter, had sex"
Lucky?
All synths are the technically the Sole Survivor’s grandchildren, that should be the concerning part.
Vienrus Kar Curie is love Curie is life
Rocky's Revenge so, have you lied to those doc on Prydwen?