How to Ruin Wild Magikarp Battles in Pokemon Gen 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 พ.ย. 2022
- When you're trapped with only a fishing rod and Mewtwo, how long will it take to escape?
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I think it would take way longer if Mewtwo had attacking moves. Then you would have to fish a new Magikarp for every single PP point.
Now I'm wondering if there's a way to set up Mewtwo's stats so that you have to attack twice or more to knock the magikarp out
@UmiKaru only if it's traded.
@UmiKaru that only applies to traded pokemon
@@grantbaugh2773 Mewtwo can learn Psywave, which in this game does between 1(or 0) and Level X 1.5 (so 150). That's the more likely option I can think of.)
Was just about to say that lol
> be kabuto
> trainer walks through the walls
> fishes for 3 hours
> doesn't explain
> faints
It is pretty fitting that "!" is the only thing the pokemon inside the cages say, after all you have to literally go thru a wall to talk to them, so surely they weren't expecting that.
Trapping yourself with a Kabuto is pretty fitting. You'll end up a fossil yourself before you escape this place.
If you become a fossil in 3 and a half hours, you were doomed before you turned on the Pokemon game 🤷♂
Well, that's 3 hours if you do it this way. Now imagine Mewtwo with actual PP on its moves to waste, all 4 being attacking moves, at that
@@Iris_Descent or a chansey with attacking moves...
@@vyor8837 would probably still one hit at level 100 even with physical moves and due to the special split not happening yet changes can hit pretty hard with a thunderbolt
@@slayersam1 that's... why it would be worse.
I just love the implication of the zoo Pokemon sharing its enclosure with infinite Magikarp. That’s gotta be cramped.
Maybe it is the same magikarp which just gets revived to full health before you can catch it again?
Since Magikarp is mostly scales and bones, it takes a whole lot of them to serve as food for the exhibit animal.
maybe its a bottomless pool and theres a magikarp generator at the bottom
i just realized whats wrong with that comment but im gonna keep it
@@doplop king energy right there
If u wanted to make this extra sadistic, before u set up the soft lock, heal at Cinabar island. That way when you eventually faint, you will teleport to the island and be stuck there.
That'd be an actual softlock, though; these videos are more about salvaging a game through very time consuming methods.
@@darkfiredragon3410 it's still does it's job of making the player want to strap a gun to their head in the end
That would definitely be evil, yeah. I wonder though, whether you could engineer a scenario where you can still escape from Cinnabar Island via still being able to obtain a pokemon, but it's constructed to be as annoying to accomplish as possible.
EDIT: I don't think any of the pokemon in the pokemon mansion can learn fly or surf, so my thought here is a sadistic "part 2" to this video's setup would likely be limited to leaving a single pokeball in the PC, expecting the player to fish off the coast to catch a magikarp, then evolving into gyarados to teach it surf.
yeah you'd basically force the player to raise the thing they've been knocking out for hours to escape, very cruel.
@@jeremyabbott4537 Not exactly. They don't have any Pokeballs so they would actually be stuck with no way to escape.
"Taking a Pokémon game and turning it into a miserable experience" Top Quality content
Exactly what I'm here for.
playing competitive also does this
Gamefreak must have been taking notes
gamefreak have been making the process much more efficient lately
Give the mewtwos attacking moves (confusion, swift, mega punch and takedown), so instead of quickly running out of PP, every hit will KO the magicarp, forcing you to catch even more of them. Yes even though the total PP of those moves is less than what you had, re-fishing each time should more than make up for it. :p
Right idea, but you should switch Takedown instead for a move like BubbleBeam, which doesn't have recoil. Take Down's recoil is only 1/4, but with only attacking moves it can still add up to save a bit of time.
the correct setup for this would be confusion, water gun, and any 2 attacking moves with base 20 pp and 100% accuracy
@@Lotus_RT Ah very good yes ! ^^
@@DisastrousIntentionally That would let them damage themselves due to disobedience.
Why not have every attack be two-turn hit moves? Dig, Fly, Solar Beam, ext
This could easily be made worse with chansey's larger hp stat.
@@mini-_ eh, you just waste that move first, it doesn't loop like you think
Does it have access to high pp moves?
@@captainnomekop5056 It has BETTER high pp moves. growl and defence curl cap at 64 pp each, which already beats this mewtwo, light screen gives another 48, and pound for another 56.
@@PunkySlush i think you're thinking of PP, not HP Chansey's hitpoints are the highest in the game so it has the most health haha
@@ThePinnacleSFA that was a response to a deleted comment that no longer makes sense without context
I love how this channel has gone from "how to softlock the game" to "how to not QUITE softlock the game, but make getting out of the almost-softlock a nightmare that isn't worth the effort". And I love even more how the comments are already pointing out ways this could be made even worse. XD
A soft-softlock, if you will
A frustrationlock.
A "Screw it, I'll just start a new file" Lock.
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I am always both in awe and in terror of what evil scenarios Pikasprey comes up with.
Bro's becoming the next Jigsaw
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You know you've been thoroughly corrupted by Pikasprey when your immediate first thought to 3:28:19 is "that's not too bad".
That was my exact thought and I had to pause afterwards. xD
what is that timestamp
edit: oh gods
Yes, the timestamp is just this website being silly.
What's funny to me is it's 25 minutes slower than JRose11 cleared the whole game using only a Mewtwo on his first, no resets attempt
So I guess I wasn't the only one
This one is actually quite tame compared to some of your other challenges!
Are you high?
Yeah i was just thinking that. Things like that run that required daily berries were insane
Imagine doing this with Chanseys with the following moves
Pound, Water Gun, Seismic Toss, Bubblebeam
They each have 160 PP in total, so since you'd one hit ko every magikarp you would need to fish nearly a thousand times before you could even begin to whittle away at chansey's gigantic hp stat
Facts
They should have moves that are not 100% accurate, so it has a chance of missing, wasting another turn.
@@RGC_animation that could be annoying but i think guaranteeing (bar 1/256 glitch) that youve got to fish for each power point is worse
160? That's a lot of PP.
@@HibHab69 There is 4 moves with 40PP, so 160PP in total for each Pokemon.
"Most Pokemon games don't just let you walk through walls" Now I am wondering if the out of bounds glitches in BDSP could be used for interesting softlocks.
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@@RuijsNL he says pik-aspree at the end of every video
Surely, giving Mewtwo damaging moves would be worse, since you'll be forced to kill the Magikarp, which then forces you to fish for another before being able to drain more PP.
I like to imagine that you keep fishing up the same Magikarp again and again, just so it can prove that it can beat 6 Mewtwo with enough time and effort
Damn, magikarp was the real strongest pokemon all along
“It’ll be three times as long for no good reason”
Listening to Pikasprey is always a good reason
i really wanna see a softlock with one of those npc's in gen 3 that constantly move. save right before they spot you, and everytime you reload you are forced into a very obnoxious battle. i wonder what's the funniest scenario you could craft with this
I think it would take longer if you used six paralyzed level 100 max HP Chansey with max PP Pound, Water Gun, Mega Punch, and Skull Bash. More HP to burn through, every non-Struggle move also ends the battle and forces you to get into another battle to continue burning PP, and Skull Bash takes two turns to execute rather than one per use.
I'd be interested in how factors like cry length could be utilized. If you replaced Mewtwo with Jynx, for example, would the extra time elapsed at the start of each battle be enough to compensate for Mewtwo's larger HP stat?
No
you could make them shiny
@@Coolingcake they dont actually exist in gen1
Chancy would have been better because HP
@@aaryavaze1496 i can’t believe i didn’t know this
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can't wait to see what horrible nightmare this save file is going to be trapped in
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This man (or women) speaks nothing but facts
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@@inkii-y hi inki!
The reason the Pokemon have that "!" text is likely the same reason unreachable NPCs in gen 2 say "Object event": they are events, not tiles, and thus (at least in the first two generations) need SOME kind of text assigned to them, maybe by design limitations, maybe to prevent crashes. Given that the first two gens were written in Assembly, and this isn't the case anymore in gen 3, I assume it's an engine problem.
That is correct, it's just the placeholder/fallback dialog from the undefined pointer, most likely a 0 if I am not mistaken
As far as I know, all NPCs and Pokémon sprites on the overworld can be interacted, so if no dialog/event is defined, it would simply load the first entry that is found, which in this case would also happen to be a failsafe, since it would normally never be encountered.
That would explain why corrupted NPC interactions would then pop up valid dialog boxes from random places, the placeholder dialog(s) or garbage data, which then has a very likely chance of crashing the game since the text data may not encounter a proper text terminator or do all sort of broken bankswitching or jumps using garbage data as pointers...
Basically this is all avoided if the placeholder data is loaded, assuming the dialog trigger is using the same default placeholder data, haha
It's pretty funny tho, it's like they're surprised that you got into their enclosure
Would also be funny to do it in Cinnabar Island. The first instinct is to go to the Pokemon Center, but then you wouldn't be able to escape the island, making the save file useless. Can also use frozen Mewtwos.
6 frozen pokemon on Cinnabar would be a true softlock, because in gen 1 you don't randomly thaw out.
Since these videos are more about very time consuming escapes than actual softlocks, you'd have to leave a Scientist in the Pokémon Mansion undefeated so that the player could still black out.
@@darkfiredragon3410 you thaw out if hit with a fire move, couldn’t you find a fire Pokémon in the mansion?
@@TooMuchDad Vulpix, Growlithe, Ponyta. All three know ember at that level.
I think he did a video on cinnabar already
@@darkfiredragon3410 can't you just faint vs. wilds?
A Chansey with Pound/Seismic Toss/Water Gun/Bubblebeam will take way longer. It’s a total of 160 PP and you KO the magikarp every turn, meaning you need to fish a new one 160 times, then it’ll take even longer to struggle yourself to death since Chansey has much higher HP than mewtwo
Based on the figures shown in the video:
Total PP/Mewtwo = 32+24+32+32 = 120
Total battles with struggle per Mewtwo = ceiling(415/8)=52
So per Mewtwo you need to fight 52 battles and use 172 attacks.
I can't imagine at a best case this takes less than about 10 seconds per battle just for using the old rod, cry, picking an attack, then fainting animation, and about 3 seconds per attack with animations turned off, so at minimum that's 520+516 seconds, or about 17 minutes.
So my guess as to an absolute lower bound with perfect luck and menuing is about 2 hours.
For a realistic scenario it's likely to be about 50% higher, so 3 hours or so.
Redbar removes the cry at least
...The world record for Pokémon Red/Blue any% Glitchless is...
1h 45m 5s.
Also Para adds 25%
Been a while happy to see your back 😊
He uploads twitch vods on Pikasprey Blue as well.
The fact that Pikasprey can come up with these scares me.
Your dedication to this insanity is commendable. Well done!
One nefarious twist could be to make this an actual softlock, only discoverable after fainting all of the Mewtwos. Set the last used Pokemon Center to the one on Cinnabar Island. Make sure you didn't get HM03, trade over a pokemon that knows Surf, then release it just before trapping yourself.
2:52 We dreamed of creating the world's worst escape room...and we succeeded.
Aside from using something with more HP or giving Mewtwo attack moves, taking some items in your inventory so you have to scroll for the old rod every time you use it could also make this even more hellish.
It's been ages since I played Gen 1, but I believe you could just use select in the item menu to swap the positions to your desired order.
I am always overjoyed to see you come up with these crazy scenarios.
We need to see more messing around with gen 1 and it's glitches. The fact you can straight up programme your own stuff into the game using its broken engine is incredible
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I wonder how much worse this would be with traded mewtwo and not having the 8th gym badge
So happy to have another video, thanks for making my day better
Wouldnt it take much longer to give Mewto high pp attacking move?
Since after every use you have to fish for another Magikarp.
So the dream setup here, I think, would be six traded Mewtwo with the moves Bubble Beam, Water Gun, Pay Day, and Swift, all with maxed PP. The first two are great because they have a base 25 and 20 PP and are both water moves, which means there will be an extra message of "It's not very effective" slowing down the fight while still KOing the Magikarp to require a new battle to start. They are both also 100%* accurate.(*Gen 1, lol) Similarly, Pay Day is also 100%* accurate, and adds a message to the fight about picking up the money, and has 20 PP. And finally, Swift. Swift has 20 PP, and bypasses accuracy checks, meaning no chance of missing* at all, even in gen 1. (Ghosts, lol)
Rage would be fun, but has the chance to miss in Gen 1. Skull Bash would also be silly, needing a turn to set up for each use, but has only 15PP. I also considered Teleport, but it has a chance to fail while Swift will always hit. So Psywave also wouldn't be great because it has a 80%* accuracy, 15 PP, and might not kill the Magikarp. We want to force the player to fish as much as possible.
These paralyzed loafing Mewtwo would need to kill about 136 Magikarp EACH before they can start to struggle. This should take easily four to five times longer than the time in the video. Potentially up to 20 hours. (More than four times the number of Magikarp to KO, with extra frames in those fights, and the chance to be paralyzed or loaf around. Does a pokemon have the chance to be loafing when struggling?)
EDIT: And I just remembered that Mewtwo knows Confusion... So that changes some things since 25PP is better. I think this replaces Bubble Beam. So Confusion, Water Gun, Pay Day and Swift? Pay Day or Bubble Beam? I think Pay Day is the funnier of the two since Bubble Beam's "not very effective" gimmick is already represented in Water Gun, but the real question is which takes up more time, "Not Very Effective" or picking up the money. What is CERTAINLY more effective is the extra PP with Confusion, and the accuracy bypass with Swift. Even one missed move is one less Magikarp which is a huge amount of time.
EDIT EDIT: I also considered Gen 2, and what moves Mewtwo could pick up there, but the only unique moves from the TMs in Gen 2 have less PP.
Always excited for a new pikasprey yellow drop!
These are always oddly entertaining, i also love your yugioh and pokemon gba game playthroughs! You must be insane to play out these scenarios, the dedication is appreciated
Been re-watching old content to help get me through work, super neat that you upload another yellow channel video soon after. Love the content Pikasprey, top shelf stuff.
I was just rewatching the playlist for this and bam another new video thats a great feeling.
Any day Pikasprey uploads is a good day! Had a tough time today so this really is awesome, thank you so much for the video
Love your gen 1 vids the most, keep up the good work mate ;)
I love these so much. I wonder if there is another series that this type of evil setup could be implemented in
It is truly a monumental occasion when pikaspre uploads a Pokemon video
I like imagining random zoo goers looking at some kid fishing magikarp in almondnight wondering why no one has gotten him out yet, and wondering why there are so many magikarp in this exhibit.
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Great video! These types of setups always remind me of a situation I got myself into when I was playing Alpha Sapphire a while back.
I was just running running around in my game trying to get to a certain area when I accidentally encountered a trainer that I had I skipped earlier. I hadn’t had time to heal my Pokémon, so most of them got knocked out. But the thing is I also had a level 6 or 7 Victini that I think I got from an event / wondertrade or something. It had a ridiculous amount of health and defense, but also could barely do anything to the other pokemon (who also had a lot of health) because of its low level. Me and this trainer were stuck there dealing 1 HP of damage to each other each turn lmao. I don’t think I had any items to heal my other pokemon either. I was so conflicted on wether to power through it or just turn my game off, because it had been a while since I had last saved. I think I decided to keep going a little longer, especially when I remembered that struggle exists. I was the one who lost if I remember right, but I was so thankful anyway lol.
Earlier I was just thinking I wanted to binge these videos!! Thanks for another excellent and hellish trap
Pikasprey: *hands me a pokemon cartridge*
me: oh no
was literally checking last night to see if you uploaded anything new 😂
Oh bro, I was just binging stuff on this channel yesterday. Good timing
Always exciting to see what cursed setups you have come up with!
I literally binged a few of your videos last night wondering when youd put out a new one. Guess my instincts were on point haha
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Idea for a softlock to poke at: trapping the player on Cinnabar island, but with some masochistic way to escape. My thinking is probably leaving the player with only a single pokeball and the old rod is probably the most likely method. None of the pokemon in the mansion can learn fly or surf if I recall, so raising a magikarp into a gyrados might be the only option there.
fun fact: the chansey side/back sprites are completely unused unless you glitch yourself into the zoo to talk to one.
Just making my prediction here:
Using some rough workings and assumptions, mewtwo has 415 hp. It's losing 6 hp per struggle ko so needs about 69 Struggle hits to die
Adding its paralysis increases the number of turns required by 25% to 86 turns.
It has roughly 120 pp to burn so needs about 150 turns with paralysis.
Total turns to deplete and struggle to death per mewtwo: 236 turns
For 6 mewtwos: 1416 turns
Assuming about 10 seconds per turn, he would need 14160 seconds or about 3 hours and 56 minutes to get through it all
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Mewtwo playthrough one of this days? Good video 👍 I often forget the weird glitches and locks in gen 1. Pretty entertaining to talk about and see.
Gives a whole new meaning to Struggle
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Seeing as how many suggestions are made I think you could make follow up with how long the improved set up would take.
Personally, I would have given the mewtwos confusion, water gun, swift, and bubble beam. It would take longer for you to have to fish up a new magikarp every time you attacked and those moves have more pp than your current set.
Huge fan of your stuff Pikasprey! I've been watching you for a good couple years now 😁 I love your Softlock picking series!
I'm not sure how well you could use this but two things that can make the battle last a bit longer in another gen 3 video possibly (because abilities don't exist in previous gens)
That first you obviously know because you've done it in a previous video 😅 but have a shiny Pokemon and use it in conjunction with a pokemon with intimidate to weaken the foes attack every time they would switch, have them paralyzed, give them non attacking moves the ones I can think of that would help stall alot that cover a variety of pokemon that can use them
Flash, sand attack, recover, baton pass, double team, roost, sleep powder, stun spore, reflect, protect, barrier, growl, tail whip, leer, scary face, yawn, hypnosis, confuse ray, splash, sunny day, dream eater (if they don't have hypnosis can be evil) & helping hand which does nothing in a single battle but still wastes a turn or could be evil and have that in some kind of really long double battle possibly?
I'm sure you've thought of all these things at one point or another, I just wanted to give any suggestions that could possibly help! Love your content dude and I can't wait to see more!
New pikasprey video. Nice
What would absolutely take the cake is if you could somehow engineer this, so that after you faint and end up back at a pokemon center, you find yourself locked at cinnabar island
I always thought of the exclamation mark dialogue as the Pokémon being surprised that you ended up in their enclosure.
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Way more interesting videos that I enjoy watching than PokeTubers making another Top 10 Pokemon for the 1,000th time.
Nice always makes my day when you upload a new video.
Great video, interesting set up as always, yeah, that would take a while, keep it up!
If people are curious the easiest way to walk through walls(without using more complex glitches anyways) is a glitch called "brock through walls" involving the training that forces you to beat brock to pass. If you have a bulbasaur with leech seed, tackle with 16pp and growl with 36pp in that order(you have to rearange with select), talking to that npc from the right will let you walk through walls. (Having different pp values crash the game usually) Skipping him involves having your pause cursor on save, walking in front of him and pausing right away when he stops talking, and then you save and reset. I thinks that's right, it's been a bit since I've done it. It's a simple trick to do, but it works for pretty complicated reasons.
Now imagine your death warp takes you to Cinnebar Island where your only way off the island is to catch a Magikarp, train it to level 20 so that it can learn surf and THEN you can just play the game like normal. Pretty minimal, but just a little more insult to injury by making you look at that stupid fish just a little bit longer :)
6:11 I thought I was clever by thinking "I'll just program a robot to press the A button for me while I sleep" but now you can't even do that. You absolute madlad
I heard on a video a long while ago and liked the thought that the ! that you see when you interact with the pokemon in the enclosures was just them being surprised to see you in there.
There is a big reward for these setups Pikasprey: they lead to you making videos that light up our lives :D
"if I explained this whole set up this video would be 3 times as long for no good reason" > wrong, more content for us is plenty good reason!!
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@@neregaming Yeah I'm all about the long winded setups!
Having the Mewtwo at Lv 99 would add minutes to this. The HP difference would be negligible, but there’s an extra text box for EVERY magikarp you defeat.
Neat video! Thanks for uploading!
Regarding walk through walls this can be done "Legitimatly" In gen 3 as well just the setup is a lot harder and less reliable. Requiring stuff like the extended Pomeg glitch and some shenanigans with Decamarks. But still I can think of a few situations in Emerald that might take even longer than this to escape.
"Event text."
- Gen 2 placeholder text.
I like these softlock videos, but I would prefer more video in the gem collecting or similar series
The Pokemon on display in the daycare are actually programmed as NPCs like the trainers, but given Pokemon sprites instead. All NPCs in Gen 1 have to have some kind of text when interacted with or the game will crash trying to find text that doesn't exist.
Good vid today Asprey
Every time pikasprey uploads I feel like I’m a child waking up on Christmas morning
I like how the beginning of this channel was getting out of weird but feasible softlocks and now you're setting up Pokemon based Saw traps
I love how so many of your Pokemon videos are about how you can just absolutely torture players!
I have waited for so long
Love the video dude, make more pls :))
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You could be even more devious and make it so the last Pokecenter you stayed at was Cinnabar Island. So even after all the struggle you were still stuck. A truly crushing defeat..
If I had a gameboy cartridge with this saved file, I'd go through this whole ordeal just so I could have 6 level 100 Mewtwos.
Man it must've been 4 years since I've watched a pikasprey video. I must've forgotten to subscribe after making my new account... It's good to be back
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I listen to your soft lock picking videos every night