How to Ruin Koga's Pokemon Crystal Battle
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2021
- We learned how to ruin Lorelei's battle, so what happens when we try new strategies in a different Pokemon game?
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I like to imagine the Scizors’ names are just the sound of them screaming nonstop as they beg for this battle to finally end.
I actually thought the intention was that but to the trainer
This is my headcanon now, thanks.
It like somethin youd see in tha most obnoxious pokemon creepypasta imaginable
I have no mouth and I must scizor
I literally heard the serious Sam kamikaze scream when I saw their names. Now, if you replaced the pokemon music with that . . . Well, it wouldn't take longer, but it would feel so much worse.
You know how speedrunners will describe their techniques and strats for saving small amounts of time? This is the antithesis to that, and I absolutely love it.
slowrunning
Nurdeepsing
Long plays exist almost solely for this exact reason
speedidleing
EXACTLY. It's so great.
Since Lorelei fled the country to avoid getting softlocked for infinity again, I guess it's the ninja's turn to suffer.
After Koga lost his gym he heard of the opening at the Pokemon league and decided to take the spot
@@velvetbutterfly And forgot to ask/look up WHY there was an opening in the first place.
@@730Flare and lance doesn’t pay overtime for the elite four
@@sweetumami1338 they don’t even get dental either
@@xxbuttmanxx4383 they should unionize 😔
Watching the random actions during the setup slowly come together into elite four hell was almost poetic
There was method to his madness.
his psychotic plan
hi
"It rhymes"
first time?
I like how Pikasprey explains this as if we’re gonna try it afterwards
Koga: "Oh boy! I'm finally part of the Elite 4, the strongest trainers in the region! I can't wait to see what exciting battles I'll have to fight through!"
*One hellish Scizor fight later*
Koga: Hey Lance? I resign.
Lance: It's Pikasprey again, isn't it?
@@gengarzilla1685 Koga: "AGAIN?!"
@@730Flare Yeah, where did you think Lorelei went?
Cut to her trying to figure out how to deal with fighting types, wall in the back looking like a conspiracy theorist's
Koga: "Uh...vacation?"
@@Fireluigi1225
Lance: "Yeah… that’s where she went"
Things to add:
-All scizors paralyzed
-bag full of junk so items have to be dropped before taking off the berries. (No healing items)
-shiny scizors
-any more suggestions?
Less HP. Scizors shouldn't be able to KO anything with struggle. They should more-or-less be fainting around the time they run out of PP.
He said it took him nearly 1 hour to faint his first Scizor. Struggle allowing him to KO Koga's pokemon and deal with the more effective Bruno pokemon is what sped it up.
Same strategy + paralysis and no ability to struggle due to lower starting HP would extend the fight as a whole to around 8+ hours, I'd estimate.
@@far2ez539 But as we saw, in Gen 2, opponents can use Struggle themselves. It might be tricky to find a sweet spot to guarantee that the Pokémon have to run out of PP without also letting them do too much extra damage once they do.
Then again, if one of the non-damaging moves in the Scizors' move list was a Paralysis-inflicting move, that might offset that tradeoff...
@@far2ez539 that way the Venomoth can take out the Scizors though
@@Sylocat I wonder if making Scizor's Attack low as possible would help. Sure, it'd mean Struggle would do less recoil to Scizor, but Crobat getting more chances to do chip damage to it should balance that out.
@@stardf29 I just thought, isn't it a good thing that the scissor is knocked out? I mean, you spent all that time getting rid of it's PP only for it to day and force you onto another scissor that still has it's pp.
I just imagine this battle playing out in real life, with a gigantic crowd of people groaning loudly as the trainer tells his 4th scizor to use baton pass yet again, while Koga's venomoth continues to look back at Koga in absolute confusion
Then the trainer loses.
As well as basically being unable to hurt anything that gets swapped out
1:43 "I know this ll sounds very convoluted"
That's literally why I'm here.
Maybe next you can find a way to make Bruno not-easy.
Can Gengar have four status moves?
Okay tick prick thanks for your insight ✅
Only electric based attacking moves?
@@gtpliquid1290 5 in gen 1. How would this work with bruno though? Abilities don’t exist until gen 3
"easy" in Pokemon varies by how you play. The vast, vast majority of players use items in battle and play on shift, some even overlevel their mons or even use legendaries. For those players, technically literally every single battle in the entire series should be very "easy", Bruno and Koga both just happen to be easier on average than most Elite 4 and gym leaders pre-Gen 6 (b/c virtually no matter how you matter how you play EVERY major battle in X&Y is still easy as fuck even compared to all the other games in the series, most of which aren't particularly difficult even if played on set without healing items like normal) regardless of how you play the game.
It's also pretty hard to make Koga "not easy", I mean it takes a lot to not have mons capable of wasting his team.
I bet with how slow health is depleted in Diamond and Pearl(especially on high HP Pokemon like Blissey), you could create an excruciatingly long fight using that mechanic. Just an idea.
Growl, Defense Curl, Rest, Softboiled and Leftovers would be how i would go with that
@@Killua481 leftovers would only add a few minutes since an optimal player would remove them before the fight. However a blissey covet fighting a Pokémon with a healing item may be a good workaround.
Health actually depletes as slow in G2 as it does in G4.
I can think of ways to make what he just did even longer. For example he shouldn't have healed Scisor before saving. He should keep Scisor at an amount of hp where it won't be KO'd before running out of PP, but will not have enough HP to survive struggling all of Kogas Pokemon so he has to get another Scisor out of PP. He should also paralyse them before going into the elite 4 so they miss turns and takes them even longer to use up their PP.
@@GottaLoveShuckle If the one, unhealed Scisor is at an hp amount where he can't finish the Koga battle on his own, you'd just swap to a full health one and have the already damaged one die faster against Bruno. Healing all to full health definitely is the right play since we assumed the player played this fight optimally.
I do agree with the paralysis though. It should increase the time by a rough 30-40% based on your RNG.
I'm not sure when this show went from quirky little glitch exploits to straight up Saw level escapes but I'm never bored when I see one of these videos.
2:50 will: "I can't believe it"
Really? A Juiced up Scizor beat you and you're surprised Will? How did you even get here bud
lel
Well I guess it would be pretty surprising if your life's work was destroyed by some random kid with a single scizor
damn :(
@@QuokkaWakathat's like saying "well i guess it would be pretty surprising if your life's work on a house was destroyed by some random guy with a single wrecking ball."
@@gregorymirabella1423
Well A) yeah, it would
And B) He can't really tell how strong the scizor is until it's too late
Koga: Lorelei retired all because some kid a few years back. I'm sure I'll be fine!
*pikaspray enters*
Koga: *I WANT TO GO BACK TO BEING A GYM LEADER! ALL THAT KID HAD WAS A DITTO BACK THEN*
this video was made 3 years after the ditto video. Coincidence? I think not
@@thebestworst8002 Lol, I want to think Pikasprey plans this all along. He waited three years for this.
“I’m not gonna waste any time and explain how scary this can be”
Scizor: “AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA”
Seems like he’s terrified
That Shiny Slaking near the end fills me with trepidation.
What other hells are you planning...?
Looks disgusting. I like it.
I feel like some npc in hoenn is about to experience the hell that is a pikasprey trainer
@@daninda1665 That is FRLG
Thinking about it, I don't think Slaking would actually be slower than Scizor. Yeah you have Truant, but you lose important resistances from the typing. The best fight I could find on a cursory glance might be one of the S/M/US/UM Acerola fights. It's the only Ghost Elite 4 that has versions without any fighting moves. But the fights would have other problems.
We would have 4 to choose from (two fro each iteration).
Round 1 (S/M) could go for quite long since 2/5 mons have Confuse Ray so you could make active turns between Truant less useful. The problem there is that confusion deals damage to Slaking if it comes up, which may cancel out the benefit from it. Dhelmise also has Whirlpool which would deal way too much damage in way too little time.
Round 2 (S/M) has a Sableye with Brick Break as the first pokemon, so I'd disqualify it there already. If that weren't the case, this would've probably been the best fight though, since it's the only one without an offensively boosting move on Driftblim and that Driftblim also has Will-O-Wisp, which would just be an empty turn with a paralyzed Slaking.
Round 1 (US/UM) Is also really bad for this. Banette has Infestation, which is again too much damage too quickly. That Banette also has Screech, so Defense IVs are pretty much irrelevant. Dhelmise has Whirlpool again.
Round 2 (US/UM) has a lot of the problems above, but we trade Dhelmise's Whirlpool for a set of 2 actually damaging attacks on Driftblim, as well as a lot of beefed up moves like EQ on some mons.
Going outside of Elite 4 is not really useful either, since E4 could guarantee at least a bit more time with the higher levels and having to fight other trainers consequtively. Aside from the obvious point that only E4 really locks you in and forces you to fight.
For other E4s: Shauntal has a Golurk with an Iron Fist boosted Fighting move in every iteration. Phoebe has either Curse or Grudge on her first mon, so the Slacking either die quickly or start struggling way too early. Agatha never actually has a full Ghost team believe it or not, but if nothing else her Let's Go Round two teams _could_ be something since it's the only one with full 4 moves, no sleeping move and Air Slash on Golbat. The reason a full Ghost team would be optimal is because the move with the highest possible PP Slaking can learn is Scratch which could be maxed out to 56 PP.
@@elogan5817 What's your opinion now that the slaking's use has been revealed?
The 'what I could've done differently' bit about the shiny sparkle at the end makes it sound like you're presenting this at a science fair or something, which is absolutely hilarious to me
How on earth does he come up with all of these insane softlock ideas? It's fascinating the things he thinks of, yet also scary at the same time.
Thinking about it and actually executing them are two very different levels of crazy
This is no softlock
I can think of ways to make what he just did even longer. For example he shouldn't have healed Scisor before saving. He should keep Scisor at an amount of hp where it won't be KO'd before running out of PP, but will not have enough HP to survive struggling all of Kogas Pokemon so he has to get another Scisor out of PP. He should also paralyse them before going into the elite 4 so they miss turns and takes them even longer to use up their PP.
They should take his ideas for SAW movies.
Why not have the inventory full of useless items so that the player has to throw away items before being able to remove the berries? You could make it slightly more inconvenient by giving each Scizor a different type of berry, forcing the player to throw away six item stacks.
Having the Scizors paralyzed would make it take even more turns to exhaust their PP.
If you give Scizor other berries then there would be no reason to remove them
Can you not just take the berries off pokemon from the party menu in Crystal?
Edit: Yeah you can he is doing it in the video. What's the point of having more items in the inventory, he doesn't need to open it.
@@covereye5731 Because if you try to take an item off a Pokémon, and you already have the maximum of that item in your pack, you'll have to go into your pack and throw away some of that item.
@@covereye5731 You can't remove the berries if your inventory is full of things that are not the berries. Crystal has a limited amount of bag space.
@@misirtere9836 Oh I see, thanks for explaining! You as well Amber
I love how he's thought of every possible discrete factor to make the experience that little more tedious. Starting the player character in the corner so they have a few extra tiles to walk is exactly the kind of sadistic torture that makes me love this channel 🤣
Hey, every unoptimization counts!
This is basically "how petty can you be about this one specific situation?" levels of detail
The attention to detail is similar to how speedrunners try to find the optimal strategy to save so little as frames but the exact opposite
I call this slowrun
PBG Came Up With Slowrun
I always love these videos that you do! Plus, your utter deadpan always makes me laugh.
I was just wondering when you would make another softlock
Not a softlock
@@RebornAudio closest we’ve gotten in 8 months
@@RebornAudio its in the softlock playlist
@@ogge9304 thanks for your autobiography
I wonder if the split second of a Shiny Pokémon sparkle has ever lost someone a world record attempt for a speedrun.
People actually reset speedruns on shinies.
In particular having the carry mon be a shiny is a run killer, like Rayquaza in Emerald.
@@saltyralts I like how your pfp is a shiny Ralt
If I ever do a Speedrun on a cartridge and find a shiny I'm calling it off and trading it to another game, then try again
@@RGC_animation I'm not the Wally Shiny, just so you know.
I am always astounded at how well Christian is able to wreck his own games... I mean in another video he grinds a graveller to 100 on beginner Pokémon...
WITH NO OFFENSIVE MOVES.
The patience of this guy would put saints to Shame.
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You could make the battle longer by also having them all be paralyzed when going into the Elite 4 and using a Potion instead of a Full Restore. That will add of a lot of extra text boxes to go through as well and also slow down the PP usage rate as well.
i understand not using a full restore, but the timer started after healing them to the least convenient remaining health, so the type of potion won't matter
@@penguindragon0155 he means use a potion instead of a full restore so it didn't cure paralysis, not because it was slower healing...
And use foretress instead of Scizor, it has better defense and lower atk.
@@FFKonoko yeah that makes sense if paralysis is the subject of the second sentence
@@Maxpower3586 Don't think it learns Baton Pass
In theory, you could eventually soft lock a game with a sufficiently long challenge like that. If a battle could be made longer than the life of the AA batteries the gameboy used
Well... Softlocked based on device. GBSP has a rechargeable so that'd break the softlock.
GB has an AC adapter
@@Marianoejar Does the GBC though? Crystal can only be played on the GBC and later after all.
@@starmangalaxy2001 yup, it’s got an AC adapter and that’s not counting the third party rechargeable batteries for it
The Pokémon Stadium 2 GB Tower or the Gamecube's Game Boy Player are other options to avoid the battery issue.
1:10 Actually, I think the best possible stats in this case would be $3AAA on the IVs, $0000 EVs on Attack and Speed, and $FFFF on everything else, resulting in 329 HP, 271 Attack, 288 Defense, 198 Special Attack, 248 Special Defense, and 155 Speed; this makes Struggle deal slightly less recoil damage while not also crippling its HP ($2AAA results in 313 HP and 269 Attack), and also still keeps its shininess.
Unfortunately, Special Attack and Special Defense in Gen II can only be different by being on a Pokémon with different base stats (this is to preserve backward compatibility with Gen I's merged Special stat), so a Level 100 Scizor will *always* have exactly 50 more Special Defense than Special Attack; also there's only eight different IV combinations (which also affect stats) that result in shininess.
I absolutely love this series! :) the witty, dry, humor is amazing.
I found your channel and these softlock vids a while ago and I binged all of them several times over because I find stuff like this endlessly interesting. I was wondering when you'd make a new one and it seems my prayers have been answered. Nice.
Your pokemon “challenge” videos are one of my favorite series on TH-cam, I’m glad you came across this footage again to share with us.
Glad you were able to recover the footage and save file. Also the total time it took is a minute longer than the limit that the public library in my county allows for the computers.
I know this isn't related to your comment but, nice Hazama pfp he's my favorite character in BlazBlue and I didn't think he still had modern fans. Nice to see my snake boi get some love in 2021.
Feels like something ol Hazzy would do.
I'm pretty sure scizor can learn rest in crystal. That's a few extra turns 😂
There's no rest for the wicked
Paralysis would most likely still be better, since a savvy player would just deplete Rest at the start. Coupled with a max PP of 16, it's probably not the slowest thing you could do
I wonder how the other Gym Leaders and Elite Four Members feel towards the horror stories they hear from Lorelei and now Koga
Glad you found that footage you worked so hard to achieve. The old softlock videos are what drew me to your channels some years ago, so it's always nice to see more!
Also; "it took me a little bit to make"
Even ignoring the time spent theorycrafting and planning that went into this, the actual recording session took nearly an hour and a half. Thats dedication
Welcome back to the yellow side, Pikasprey.
The king has returned
Koga really spent years training to become an elite for member just to be held hostage by a 10 year old
Kinda strange to hear pikasprey talk as if he hasn’t made save files completely unplayable in the past.
How Koga got promoted to be an Elite 4 member is still beyond me?
Better question is how Bruno got anywhere with his awful team.
@@Chowder_T he got demoted to third elite four lmao I guess that’s the worst that could’ve happened to him
@@Chowder_T look at how ripped that dude is and tell me you'd be fine with pissing him off
Giovanni disappeared, Blaine's devoted to rebuilding his gym, and Sabrina fought to establish hers as Saffron's official gym. Basically, all the leaders after Koga didn't want the E4 position.
@@gengarzilla1685 misty spends more time dating than battling, Erika makes perfume, and Brock is Brock
Just seeing the setup for this makes me wonder "what kind of goddamn monster would even dream of this?"
Pikasprey, that's who
This setup would take even longer if the entire team was Shiny and also paralysed, since then youd also lose a turn every so often
I was bingeing your other softlock videos yesterday, so this is great timing. If I ever meet you in person, I'm never playing a game you hand me.
How on earth does he come up with all of these insane softlock ideas? It's fascinating the things he thinks of, yet also scary at the same time.
Love your videos, your Pokemon soft locks are always very interesting. This is such a creative idea for a long battle!
I really enjoy the amount of creativity in your Pokemon videos. Coming up with convoluted, nightmare-inducing methods of softlocking these games is a gift in itself.
"You can all read the title" has no reason to be this funny
Absolute power move right there
Ah always good to see Asprey breaking stuff.
YAY! I was looking for more Pikasprey content yesterday, and now this goes up!
This series is amazing. Can't wait to see more.
Another optimization to make is to have all the Scizor be paralyzed - meaning each turn there's a 25% chance no move will be selected.
Was about to head to bed, but I suppose I could stay up for 10 more minutes.
Soft lock picking is one of my favourite TH-cam series!! These come out 2 or 3 times a year, and still I constantly look for new episodes!! Glad to have seen today's!!
I wish I could say I realized what you were doing at some point in the setup phase, but no, it took me until after you replaced Fury Cutter to realize just how evil this save file is. wonderfully done, love it.
Imagine playing the entire game like this. Just internationally making every battle take as long as humanely possible until you can beat the league.
Basically his six smeargle challenges
Oh, you weren't kidding on that stream when you said you wouldn't want to replay it. This is evil though, I love it. Six shiny scizors wouldn't even be *that* hard to pull off legitimately since in crystal you can use the PC duplication exploit. You'd just need that first shiny scyther first
This made me really happy. I appreciate you bro!!
I’m glad you found the footage and 2020 Pikasprey’s hard work paid off to display such a grueling, tedious battle!
What are the odds…. I haven’t seen an upload since the the Larvitar video, I checked about 6 hours ago and watched the recent ones and than I logged on to TH-cam without a notification and saw this video at 3 minutes. Fate has brought me a video from my favorite TH-cam creator :)
More optimally, start by spamming baton pass for each Scizor, this gets the most time consuming move out of the way early, then you can just use the other moves freely to save time.
This also let's you get each Scizor into struggle range faster, and may even let koga deal more damage
Was just binging this series, great to see these back!
Glad you're back, I enjoy these videos.
I get the feeling that we're gonna need to pack a lunch for this one.
Edit: I thought this was inanely convoluted data manipulation, but no it's just evil.
I don’t know how much more effective this would be, but if scizor got rest (idk if it does), would running that on all scizor over some other move be better? since it heals you and takes two turns to wake up, essentially having 16 full heals and 48 pp
And if one of the non-damaging moves inflicted Paralysis...
doesn't rest fail if used at full hp? you need the opponent to attack every turn or be trying to get max turns for 48. if it fails every time thats just 16 turns. if you spam rest first and the opponent doesn't attack every turn it will be less than 48 for sure but probably more than the 24 of double team. it also cures status so going into the battle paralyzed wouldn't help... speaking of... why tf are the scizors not paralysed??? paralysis adds another text box per turn and 25% more turns
@@TMHMooseMoss yeah additionally ur offesetting any chip damage making the struggles take longer in the long term. also yeah para would have been even more hellish
This is the first pokemon video I've seen on the day it was uploaded in two years. Really liked it, keep it up!
I'm so glad you found this footage!!
Hell yeah strap on guys this is gonna be good
STRAP IN I MEANT STRAP IN
What's this about a strap-on?
This series always gets a new upload each time i forget it exists
Yes. The Legend the myth.! XD. Thanks Pikasprey!! Take your time for videos like that! It's absolutely amazing.
Omg... imagine the shiny animation playing for an hour and a half. Brutal.
I almost feel bad for Koga having to watch these events unfold tbh
I feel like this will be a short-lived series, considering you are your own victim with these endurance battles.
Yoo just yesterday I watched all of your softlock videos and now you made another one :)
These videos are always a treat.
I wonder if we can go back in the time when TPP was in the Rocket hideout and no democracy and anarchy was added to the system, what are the odds to pass the labyrinth in the game by accident?
finally, more ways to ruin pokemon!!
I love these kind of vids! Nice to see you back. Can’t wait for more :)
EXCELLENT work, as always. This is devious
I guarantee if you uploaded the footage of the entire fight as a video on another channel, people would watch it.
Nice to see you doing videos again. Loved the soft lock videos. Hoping to see a new one at some point.
You have no idea how happy I am everytime you upload a pokemon softlocl video pikasprey, thank you for another banger and I look foward to the next one!
The pettiness at this imaginary person getting this cartridge of saving in the corner, the long names, the berries.... I love it lol.
YESSSS!!! WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A NEW VIDEO FOREVER!!!
LOVE THIS CONTENT!!!
Love the content as always. Keep it up!
I love your videos man. This stuff is always so interesting and funny.
So glad to see a new softlock video from u xD
Great video. There are a ton of setups you could go for, but the part that makes it interesting is that you're assuming someone is trying to escape from the long battle, not trying to prolong it for as long as possible. This eliminates the possibility of using setups with fling/trick and leppa berry to refresh PP endlessly, or running something like heal pulse to prevent the opponents Pokemon from dying.
I am very glad you found the footage, good vid
Always a pleasure to see you upload, Pikasprey
These videos are the best, keep up the good work!
Was expecting another solo run challenge and was pleasently surprised remembering your channel does something completely different :D
Love these videos. Cant wait to see more!
I love the ending where pikasprey almost softlocked himself
Omg I'm so happy! Another Pikasprey video. Your videos are so specific and niche and I love it cause no one else is doing this shit. It's so interesting for me. Keep it up!
Yaaaaaay a soft lock I was waiting for quite some time
Another Softlockpicking? Nice, thanks for making my day Pikasprey.
I've been waiting for a new pikasprey upload for ages
thank you for blessing us with more shenanigans
I've been missing these kind of vids, good to see Pikasprey Yellow getting some love !