Challenge rules: 1) Support dies 2-3 times immediately 2) Then stands around soaking experience, not pressing anything during lane 3) Support can throw some spells here and there during mid/late so entire team doesn't quit at the same time while Hector comes back!
Next video: we thought that you might have ping or hard issues to deal with so we sent hector to play with 2000 ping and he will be playing while he is blindfolded. He is also not allowed to use anything but his nose
"We infected Hector with COVID and also jammed a rusty knife into his belly, then sent him to Gold Elo. Watch what he does to get a lane advantage while waiting for the paramedics to arrive."
"Hey everyone, we challenged Hector to fight ISIS, but only using a machete and commenting on what his thought process was and his mistakes in approach"
As a fellow Hector, I think the time has come for me to speak out. Every year, thousands for Hectors are forced to work at impossible tasks under appalling conditions, with little to no reward. To make matters worse, they are subject to cruel roasting and become the butt of countless jokes. But they have to continue working to make ends meet, and suffer the loss of dignity that comes with it. You can help make it stop. For just 3 LP a week, you can adopt a Hector and add your voice to those of us who believe abuse against Hector-kind must stop, full stop.
"Hey everyone, because we are being bombarded with excuses from our silver viewers who still can't comprehend why Hector is winning, we cut off Hector's hands this time to see if he can carry the game again"
thsi cait is so bad. look how she misses her aa on minnions and also her spells. She could have just right clicked ashe 1 time and wait and she would have killed ashe.
@@Goetterkomplex_ I'm sorry, The Senate, but watch again. Cait missed at least 3 autos by (i) clicking minion and (ii) randomly casting spells. Hector had 367 hp when Cait died, if she right clicked and afk'd she would have killed him.
Actually, the enemies will go take other towers and kill noobs trying to defend them. By the time you are back in it, your team will surrender 4-1 min 21
You actually get people to surrender? How do you perform this miracle? 32-2 at 15 minutes and my team still wouldn't fuckin surrender. It's so bad that I don't even bother asking for surrenders anymore, I just leave the game.
XNiya N/A u are silver or lower then. You should never give up. In my experience in silver they ff the second something bad happens they don’t care for elo - Vi flames riven for not helping = ff when we are equal in kills and ahead in towers. In plat people stop ffing as much but still flame
I actually carried a game in clash as a support velkoz. My adc couldn't get in both of our games because he had a weird bug right that day and couldn't get in game. We finished in second place... I was 18/1
We've seen a ton of hector smurfing. While we love him, I'd love to see what y'all can do helping out, like, a silver/gold player who you're advising and helping on the go, who isn't challenger, and showing their journey. I feel like I'd learn more from watching somebody who's closer to my elo improving with these strategies than seeing a smurf stomp lane after lane that's horribly outmatched by him.
To be fair, you need the perfect example to see what's the standard you're looking for. That said, seeing the contribution to one of their students would make the journey a bit more personal and relatable.
1, if you are a split-pusher, push the wave into the pressure zone then check the map for information, if all the threats to you are somewhere else on the map, go pushing, look at your minimap occasionally. 2, if you are a strong team-fight champion like Malphite, velkoz, ... Then you should push the wave into the pressure zone as safely and as far as possible then group with your team to take objectives, if somehow the play turn wrong, you can always get back to collect your wave in the collecting zone safely. P.S: easier to say than to do
Looking at his items, Getting Manamune first was sneaky since it's a scaling item. Death's Dance helps with staying alive just like Phantom Dancer and Guardian angel gives slight armour and the passive, also rapid-fire cannon's long-range. The itemization was also top-notch. Perfectly built to survive against the enemy team comp.
Hector said that low elo players don't know how to manage side lanes after the first tower is destroy. So what I should do as adc if I destroy the first tower?
Ask mid/top for a laneswap, get their T1 towers if they haven't been taken yet. Use that pressure to get an objective like Drag/Herald if it's still up. Try not to ARAM since as they mentioned, you just leech experience and share gold. Keep an eye on the sidewaves, you don't want to miss that gold.
Lane swap or if your team doesn't want to listen and wants to aram instead. Shove in lane fully, warding jungle and tracking their jungler in the meantime. While your wave is crashing, feel free to use the numbers advantage to secure other objectives such as dragon or mid tower, or just control the enemy jungle. It will take a while for the wave to build up (similar to the huge wave khazix caught in the video) if enemy neglects it, so feel free to use that time to leech mid, take enemy jungle, recall and buy etc. If the enemy doesn't neglect it, it will push back faster but you should still have ~60-90s of freedom before it comes back to your t1 tower. If you happen to be a top laner, you can also try and force a freeze outside your tower. Doesn't work as well in bot lane cause more likely than not your support is stupid and pushes the wave for no reason.
Catch 100% of waves. Never miss a wave when you are ahead, this is a fundamental of mobas that has stood since the beginning of the genre. Being ahead means you should get more farm than those you play against.
I was the one who commented, or as the narrator puts it: "complained" about Hector's experience lead in the first video. In the video he made it sound like I was trying to discredit Hector winning the 1v2, but that shade is kind of misplaced. I'm not saying that "Hector cannot win without that 2-level lead", but stating that "the exact scenario of acquiring a level lead 1v2 is very UNLIKELY to happen for regular players (the lux kind of inted and didn't pressure the numbers advantage), and thus unrealistic and difficult to learn from" because people in general, won't have that same scenario. But aside from that, I'm glad you guys took the comment seriously and made an entire new video. And guess what? Turns out this video is a lot better. It shows much more relatable scenarios, and how to benefit from day to day low elo situations. It turns out to be a lot more helpful because: 1) Hector touches upon how losing first tower could actually be beneficial. Giving up objectives on purpose is hard for low elo players to do, cause they don't know what to fight for and what to let go, and I myself is guilty of wanting to protect bot tower at all costs, just for the sake of it. 2) Low elo players stand around mid lane and share XP, a lot. Hector spent a lot of time alone doing useful things, while racking up farm. Yes, he has mechanics, but this point is still helpful because I can copy at the very least the rotation in my own games. 3) Defender's advantage. It's omitted a lot in general videos, because a lot of videos tend to teach how to get a lead and play the ahead game, but not the other way around. In low elo, people will throw, and this is a good demonstration of how to take advantage of said throws. 4) Hector's microphone commentary is an excellent addition. Getting a peek at his thought process helps you think about your own decisions. He also specifically mentions that low elo players don't know how to sidelane, which is one of the things I want to actively work on. Also he's funny and the commentary is enjoyable. One thing I kind of don't get here, is Hector mentioning that Caitlyn "does not fix the side wave", what exactly does fixing a side wave mean? Is it different from simply collecting the incoming wave and pushing it past the river? And is it something that Caitlyn specifically has to do, or is it doable by others?
Yeah the last question when he says she doesnt fix the wave left me wondering As far as i know ur supposed to push the wave towards them so it passes the river and then rotate to diff lane or jg if all lanes are pushed up to get some more farm The only thing i could come up with is that i saw hector was obly last hirring the waves so maybe cait had to come with supp/jg and push that wave into the tower i guess?
I joined skillcapped some days ago. Currently platinum 1. Let's see if I can reach that Diamond 2 they promised me xD (I'll give the best of me of course) Thank you for these videos. The quality in this website is still really good too. There is so much to see. But I'm focusing on the adc part. Hopefully I can learn a lot and carry. I would like to see more of this [close to hight elo] videos.
even if i m gold, i improved a lot and understood the game much better by watching video explaining high elo strategy, wave management, lane pressure, backing before objectives to be at max power. i am looking for more knowledge
Love Hector surfing cuz whilst he has good mechanics, their probably on par with high diamond masters. His macro is just insane. Means it's more realistic to emulate him as a low elo player, rather than just watching a yasuo dance around the enemy team.
Basically, he is one of us. Decent micro like all of us. Except his macro is far better, so we can always copy him and apply the knowledge in-game that is actually UNIVERSAL, and NOT with one champion only (ahem, one-tricks).
LITERALLY yesterday i was playing adc with a feeder support and remembered the guide to play 1v2 in lane but I was like "God I hope the guide was about a feeder support" and well here I have it, thank you very much as an adc main it'll be very useful
agreed. vayne benefits from this greatly, since the odds of you carrying late game are so much higher than early game and wtih your t1 up, you're just prone to getting dove if you have an enchanter support (sometimes even other supps if you get behind)
I want to preface this by saying I love this video, it’s super helpful, and I look forward to taking this wisdom into ranked (I’m a mid main that wishes he could win as an adc). Now, that having been said, if you want to torture hector more, give him a support that shoves the waves to “create tower pressure” after he loses that tower early. This way he can’t freeze and get more CS back.
It's so hard to prevent teammates from dying while you're on a side line, they always want to fight out of nowhere. Here's an experience of a gold elo game: Had a huge lead playing as ekko in the midlane, had tp so i told my bottom to rotate mid so that i could keep presure on a sidelane so my team can pick up objectives, but instead they just kept fighting mid over and over even when i told them to be careful because i was gonna be pressuring bottom. When i lose those kind of games i get flamed hard because they say i have to stick to them, but like sharing xp and gold it's not the ideal. I sometimes try to explain what they should do but they never change their gameplan. I sometimes get teammates that it's so easy to communicate to them and they follow calls but sometimes i wonder why they think it's a good idea to aram mid all the time.
I guess is because these are the kind of "highlight moments" that they think it is the "game itself" so you need to show up and show how huge of a lead you got, the thing is that most of the time your team will tend to group and fight even if the comp isn't good for it ( kha jg, camille/fiora top, ashe+thresh bot lane). I lose those games even grouping but sometimes it works, mostly when the adc knows how to position well, anyway, I guess you need to balance the styles, the grouping and the splitting, teleport may add a lot for that too.
I had a similar game with Ashe. It was basically the same thing full adc counters on the enemy team. My team falling so hard that my mid jg goes 2/22 i was 12/11 in that game because they had a 17/2/11 Ahri on the enemy team with 25 mejai stacks, what do i do against that as an adc? Escpecially as Ashe?
Provided you ward and see her coming, you hit her with the cone slow from out of her range, she then has to commit to ulti when slowed, or just let you back off. If she commits and you have good mechanics (and if you dont, adc is not for you) then you hit her with arrow after a dash and she dies stunned to your As buff. At the start of the dash you know where it finishes, which is how you aim it so she cant dodge it. If she doesn't, then she gets frustrated and just goes and tries to kill your top Chogath instead and wastes ulti. Early in teamfights when she wanders too far forward looking for picks, you slow her with your cone. At that point Cho can Q her, you can ulti her if you have a greedy assassin mid waiting around she often dies to them.
@@timroberts6989 Couldn't keep my arrow long enough for her + i can't ward the entire map when my support had 11 vision score at 40 mins. Also Ahri was always on flanking positions making me an easy targed because just like in the video my support was never with me.
@@timroberts6989 Also no damage dealer on top lane. We had Maokai which did decent 2/5/6. The enemy team was Malphite(full armor), hyper fed Ahri, Lucian, Nami, Lee Sin. All of them reached full items just like me. My mid/jg (Sylas and Olaf) went 2/22 without much farm so they had no items. My support was just a kda player (at least not a feeder) and he was never with me it was pretty much me versus the entire enemy team.
@@timroberts6989 I also had 5 games in a row like that. I am Syndra mid dominating against Qiyana, flanking area is full warded on bot lane i spam SS, bot lane dies anyway, after that ADC tilta goes afk, support has 14000 ms and can't play jg tilts and goes 2/14 and it's just me and the top laner. I swear that 30-40% of my soloq games go like that.
What if the outscaling enemy wins all lanes hard? Is there a way to carry as a jungler? The problems i have: I am not the only one ganking, ofc the enemy jungler obv being stronger than me is also Often the enemy laner can 1v2 Even if i can pick a skirmish that is winnable, there is often a support randomly roaming because their adc does 1v2
jgl is the most impactful role, you have so much agencies with every single champions and can carry 4 bots by yourself better than an adc can. from my experience after switching to jg from adc, play scaling champions that can participate in early skirmishes (sylas, ekko to name some)
I've applied the let the turret die when losing lane very hard. I've learned this when i saw in professional escene how they let the inhibitor fall down before 20 minutes so they can farm more as the enemy is not likely to end the game so early. The same concept applies here. I usually let the turret die before the turret plates are down, at 10 or 12 minutes, so i have plenty of time to farm before the enemy can extend their lead and i will be very powerful when the nashor is up at 20 mins.
Hell you say? Imaging for a moment you were asked to make videos for total noobs who have been playing for a week and cannot beat Beginner Bots. Would you consider it hell to make videos demonstrating all the ways you can stomp beginner bots for the benefit of noobs? It might be boring as fuck but certainly not hellish.
This actually makes sense, I felt like I was losing several games when we are down towers with partners spamming surrender, then it seems magical that we win in the end without anyone on our team too crazy... it’s just that losing forces your team to play more correctly
I have seen many videos and channels for lol guide but your content is impressive Your tips , when applied to game , guarantee a win . This channel must have more popularity
I watched the intro of this and was like "nah, you got to be trolling surely even hector cant carry from this spot" and im glad to be proven wrong :D Thanks again skill capped for your amazing vids
i was gonna comment, I understand why Hector let tower die when he first mentioned it. 9/10 cases in low elo, enemy bot won't rotate and your support doesn't understand let ADC farm more on top Jungler will come gank not realizing it is not a good ganking lane. I was hoping Skill Capp mention something like that.
Are you sure you're playing League of Legends? Because in League of Legends feeding idiots never surrender. Game could be 0-32 at 10 minutes and my teams will NEVER surrender and I fuckin hate it. I'm always down to ff when I get feeding morons.
One thing about letting your turret fall: while the enemies might go off to roam, it's also possible that they'll decide "frick this, supp go mid help team, adc farm and push bot". This would put Hector at a great disadvantage, either having to fight with a fed enemy ADC, or farming somewhere else and letting the enemy ADC get incomprehensible amounts of gold and maybe even taking your inhibitor earlier than any other lane
That's like... Exactly the situation he was in at 7:55 Looks how fed Lucian and Shaco are, and his inting support. Sure it's Shaco instead of Rengar, but same energy.
i had a friend who told me once: The farther the enemy team has to run to get to you the more likely they are to screw up. Its pretty easy to catch people overextending when their lead isnt big enough to 1v2 or 1v3.
Also a nice fact about sidelanemanagement: If you manage to freeze or overall make the lane slowpush towards you, no low elo player will ever react to it. So the enemy Team misses 300 Gold every Minute. That actually is huge. Especially if you are freezing at your tier 2 tower, where you can stand save.
I really thank you for this wonderful video. This surely is gonna help me as I'm stuck in high gold elo from months. You definitely gave me a lesson on how to manage these games that I usually loose. Keep going like that!
The real issue with this is losing drakes and maybe an inib, the snowball can really get out of hands. Imagine a fed Nasus hard pushing top who'd need two people to stop, then the mid will likely falter, etc. At the end of the day, a dragon soul can really turn an important fight.
I have a question regarding the strategy: What is the meaning of the phrase "Fixing the wave"? I noticed that Hector consistently crashed the wave against the enemy tower, be it t1 or t2 towers. Was this done to favor a slow push towards your side because of the strength difference between the minion waves?
3 years later, but with "fixing waves" he mean crashing them on the enemy tower so it will slow push towards you, giving you a time window that you can use for roam or wathever and later you can collect them on your side of the map, and fix the wave again
I'm a bit confused. At around 12:23 : you say that you should push when waves pushes towards your side of the map ( which makes sense) but then you say you should group when they're pushing towards you??? Isn't that the same thing ?
Personally I think that you can probably let your tower die while you’re ahead. Not only does it give you easier farm, but I think it’s important for 2 more reasons. 1: the enemy ADC (assuming bot lane took the tower) might just roam around and leach XP from the rest of their team, while probably not providing for their team in any meaningful way. 2: Though it depends on the elo, a lot of times the enemy team might just try to take inner turrets just because it’s an objective on the screen. If the enemy ADC and support try to take inner turret, the winning ADC and someone else from that team can hopefully win the 2v2 and then with that lead they can take towers, drake, or baron
I didn't know that if your turret falls you get this kind of buff going on. That is an interesting take since I always felt like defending the turret as much as I could...
4:07 is this still applicable? Everyone tells me laning phase extends till ALL tier 1 turrets are gone in each lane but that cant be true bc that rarely happens.
If you get a hold advantage in the long run for losing your tower early, maybe it's a good idea in lower elos specifically since they on average go for much longer than high elo games, while it's a disadvantage in high elo cuz you on average will not have that larger window with which to scale
Tryndamere typing "our bot lane is inting and useless" while Hector's 1-4 Ashe just solo kills the 8-3 Caitlyn who already had 2 items and Berserker's lmao
For the question at the end. No, it will not be beneficial when ahead, when behind it will be. Reasons why is that if you properly play your own macro, sabotaging your own turret will mean you have to pick up more waves on that lane. Meaning you will not be there for the objectives you should be picking up. If a fed Kaisa decides to not take a turret but instead let her turret fall, she will fall behind to the enemy and has to come back through enemy mistakes, instead you can pick the better option of getting ahead and making as little mistakes as possible. That way you don't rely on enemy mistakes, but instead on trying to extend your lead by making as little mistakes yourself as possible (which is exactly the same thing as when behind, but now without the enemy factor)
The thing is that Caitlyn and Sona could just have frozen the wave at 3:03 forever close to their turret and Hector would be unable to play the game at all. It does not happen often in low elo but it does happen.
What does hector mean at 7:42 about Caitlyn not fixing the side wave? Should the Caitlyn have frozen the wave or should she have crashed it all the way deep into the other tower?
Im stuck in silver atm, when I review my games I seem to be playing very well on paper/stat-wise and my wr has plummeted even tho I feel I have improved at the game. My initial thought is that it is because my teammates are getting mad at me and rage 4v5ing whilst im trying to do something elsewhere on the map but I honestly dont know what to do at this point, If I listen to my team it turns into a coin flip 5v5 in the jungle and if I dont then they go 4v5 anyways whilst I take 7 towers and cant 1v5 due to the champs I play and my current skill level. What should I be focusing on?
i would suggest muting them all but leave pings on only(turn them off if they spam ping), if you do that you won't know they are raging and thus giving you more focus to what you need to do for the win condition
Pro tip, you don't have to do the calculations for the minion buffs yourself, just left click the enemy minion and look above its hp bar. Can also be checked on your own minions
While watching this video, I got into a very similar game. Nami sat behind me and was always full mana and health while leeching XP. Terrible 3v5 fights in JG. Team spam pinging and ff'ing. I got a ton of side lane farm and a 4 lvl lead over the Jhin. We got 4 straight dragons, baron, and the win. thanks!!
you mentioned several times that this works because enemies fail to "fix their waves" in the sidelanes. what does that mean specifically? if im the enemy caitlyn here, what should i do to avoid sivir getting back in the game like this?
I found the mechanic behind losing first Tower to be _somewhat_ similar to losing Inhibitor very early on (like 15-20 minutes). If you just destroyed the enemy team's Inhib at 15 minutes, congrats, you're actively sabotaging your team out of CS, and by proxy, gold. That lane is automatically pushing towards the enemy team and you won't be able to farm properly.
I have a question. What do you do if your team does just die and the enemy opens your base. When do you choose to move back to your team to try and stop the enemy.
Challenge rules:
1) Support dies 2-3 times immediately
2) Then stands around soaking experience, not pressing anything during lane
3) Support can throw some spells here and there during mid/late so entire team doesn't quit at the same time while Hector comes back!
Now this is the REAL challenge !! tons of knowledges to soak from that ! Thank you
Can you give me any contact you guys actually read because kinda took a blind eye on my 2 emails I sent to you on your website....(1 year sub btw..)
@@ludenstempest8244 support@skill-capped.com
You should honestly give hector a raise in pay, he really deserves it.
what shuold cait and luc do
Next video: we thought that you might have ping or hard issues to deal with so we sent hector to play with 2000 ping and he will be playing while he is blindfolded. He is also not allowed to use anything but his nose
ok that made me laugh hard, the last sentence killed me.
on yuumi :D
@@denisvoloshyn9009 yuummi jungle
At that point you will increase your win rate by staying in fountain and hoping your team wins 4v5.
I do like to see that
I like how this channel has devolved into "how much can we torture Hector"
I'd call that evolving
+1
"We infected Hector with COVID and also jammed a rusty knife into his belly, then sent him to Gold Elo. Watch what he does to get a lane advantage while waiting for the paramedics to arrive."
LMAO
Lol
Lmfao
this is becoming a meme
BRUH 😂😂😂
"Hey everyone, we challenged Hector to fight ISIS, but only using a machete and commenting on what his thought process was and his mistakes in approach"
Hector: Oh no my tower.....
Porn level acting
Tru
I've read it in Torbjorn voice
sounded like toph from avatar the last airbender when he said that.
I actually laughed out loud, srsly
@@Hater20X Oh, no, what a nightmare!
"We send Hector to climb Mount Everest to prove that with Skillcapped you can climb anything"
@Im Hybz cringe
I'd like to see the opposite guide: how to actually use your advantage to close out games before the opponent manages a comeback like this.
don't troll
happy to help
Alessandro Morelli so helpful thank you 🙄
I think to play around Baron vision and then letting them walk in and get picks
I think if enemy team was far behind in a game and still manage to pull a comeback, then they deserve to win.
@@naz3858 Do you not want to win when you're ahead?
As a fellow Hector, I think the time has come for me to speak out. Every year, thousands for Hectors are forced to work at impossible tasks under appalling conditions, with little to no reward. To make matters worse, they are subject to cruel roasting and become the butt of countless jokes. But they have to continue working to make ends meet, and suffer the loss of dignity that comes with it.
You can help make it stop. For just 3 LP a week, you can adopt a Hector and add your voice to those of us who believe abuse against Hector-kind must stop, full stop.
"Hey everyone, because we are being bombarded with excuses from our silver viewers who still can't comprehend why Hector is winning, we cut off Hector's hands this time to see if he can carry the game again"
when you read that with his voice
@@MJ-gq6qt i actually did lol
“We made him blow on the keyboard and mouse to activate buttons”
I laughed so much at this
"So despite me dying a lot-
*8/3 Cait shows up*
"Oh my god." *effortlessly kills her* "Anyway.."
My brain watching this: ok I get it so ez
My games: 0/14/2
@@KevinSilva-ud3so or watch some streams? Please gtfo with your keys
@@KevinSilva-ud3so ඇයි බන් ඔහෝම 🤣🤣
I literally spiked to diamond3 from hardstuck gold4 after skillcapped only via TH-cam vids. Currenty sitting at Rank5 with Mordekaiser on eune
LMAO 7:30 Caitlyn comes in, and hector just says OMG and quickly finishes the job like she was just some mosquito hahah
this "anyway" after made me laugh
thsi cait is so bad. look how she misses her aa on minnions and also her spells.
She could have just right clicked ashe 1 time and wait and she would have killed ashe.
@@kandels3195 No she most certainly wouldnt have. Because there is a huge skill gap between those two. One auto just wouldnt have made the difference
@@kandels3195 bruh of course caitlyn is bad this is low elo
@@Goetterkomplex_ I'm sorry, The Senate, but watch again. Cait missed at least 3 autos by (i) clicking minion and (ii) randomly casting spells. Hector had 367 hp when Cait died, if she right clicked and afk'd she would have killed him.
Actually, the enemies will go take other towers and kill noobs trying to defend them. By the time you are back in it, your team will surrender 4-1 min 21
You actually get people to surrender? How do you perform this miracle? 32-2 at 15 minutes and my team still wouldn't fuckin surrender. It's so bad that I don't even bother asking for surrenders anymore, I just leave the game.
@@xniyana9956 i can almost guarantee that you are below plat elo
@@xniyana9956 Do you see Hector surrendering when behind 15 kills? No? Then why are you surrendering? It aint over till its over!
XNiya N/A u are silver or lower then. You should never give up. In my experience in silver they ff the second something bad happens they don’t care for elo - Vi flames riven for not helping = ff when we are equal in kills and ahead in towers.
In plat people stop ffing as much but still flame
@@MrLastlived I'm not Hector nor will I pretend I can do what he does.
as a support main, i'm here to suggest an idea for your next video:
How to 1v9 with an inting and AFK ADC
sure but only if we can use hector
@@skillcapped that literally sounds like he'd just be some pokemon for you. GO HECTOR, USE INTING WIN
It's actually easier as support, you have potentially 3 other people you can play with. You're not stuck in a doomed lane
AMEN BROTHA
I actually carried a game in clash as a support velkoz. My adc couldn't get in both of our games because he had a weird bug right that day and couldn't get in game. We finished in second place... I was 18/1
Next video : We thought this was too easy for Hector to carry as Ashe or Sivir, so this time we ask him to play yuumi adc with his whole team inting
*Hector's frail old man fingers, I like how much they disrespect the old one*
We've seen a ton of hector smurfing. While we love him, I'd love to see what y'all can do helping out, like, a silver/gold player who you're advising and helping on the go, who isn't challenger, and showing their journey. I feel like I'd learn more from watching somebody who's closer to my elo improving with these strategies than seeing a smurf stomp lane after lane that's horribly outmatched by him.
To be fair, you need the perfect example to see what's the standard you're looking for. That said, seeing the contribution to one of their students would make the journey a bit more personal and relatable.
There is literally a video series of a midlaner that climbs with their coaching
could you do a wave management guide when ahead?
+1
+1
agree wave management is so important yet few people talks about that
+1
1, if you are a split-pusher, push the wave into the pressure zone then check the map for information, if all the threats to you are somewhere else on the map, go pushing, look at your minimap occasionally.
2, if you are a strong team-fight champion like Malphite, velkoz, ... Then you should push the wave into the pressure zone as safely and as far as possible then group with your team to take objectives, if somehow the play turn wrong, you can always get back to collect your wave in the collecting zone safely.
P.S: easier to say than to do
Hector's DGAF attitude. "So even though I died a lot-" (Caitlin shows up) "Oh my god. Anyways, even though I died a lot..."
Looking at his items, Getting Manamune first was sneaky since it's a scaling item. Death's Dance helps with staying alive just like Phantom Dancer and Guardian angel gives slight armour and the passive, also rapid-fire cannon's long-range. The itemization was also top-notch. Perfectly built to survive against the enemy team comp.
Hector said that low elo players don't know how to manage side lanes after the first tower is destroy. So what I should do as adc if I destroy the first tower?
Ask mid/top for a laneswap, get their T1 towers if they haven't been taken yet. Use that pressure to get an objective like Drag/Herald if it's still up. Try not to ARAM since as they mentioned, you just leech experience and share gold. Keep an eye on the sidewaves, you don't want to miss that gold.
Gabriel Lesta ye that’s the same question i got
Lane swap or if your team doesn't want to listen and wants to aram instead.
Shove in lane fully, warding jungle and tracking their jungler in the meantime. While your wave is crashing, feel free to use the numbers advantage to secure other objectives such as dragon or mid tower, or just control the enemy jungle. It will take a while for the wave to build up (similar to the huge wave khazix caught in the video) if enemy neglects it, so feel free to use that time to leech mid, take enemy jungle, recall and buy etc. If the enemy doesn't neglect it, it will push back faster but you should still have ~60-90s of freedom before it comes back to your t1 tower.
If you happen to be a top laner, you can also try and force a freeze outside your tower. Doesn't work as well in bot lane cause more likely than not your support is stupid and pushes the wave for no reason.
Catch 100% of waves. Never miss a wave when you are ahead, this is a fundamental of mobas that has stood since the beginning of the genre. Being ahead means you should get more farm than those you play against.
@@taco7677 That's usual advice but that doesn't fix this wave issue by itself.
I was the one who commented, or as the narrator puts it: "complained" about Hector's experience lead in the first video. In the video he made it sound like I was trying to discredit Hector winning the 1v2, but that shade is kind of misplaced. I'm not saying that "Hector cannot win without that 2-level lead", but stating that "the exact scenario of acquiring a level lead 1v2 is very UNLIKELY to happen for regular players (the lux kind of inted and didn't pressure the numbers advantage), and thus unrealistic and difficult to learn from" because people in general, won't have that same scenario.
But aside from that, I'm glad you guys took the comment seriously and made an entire new video. And guess what? Turns out this video is a lot better. It shows much more relatable scenarios, and how to benefit from day to day low elo situations. It turns out to be a lot more helpful because:
1) Hector touches upon how losing first tower could actually be beneficial. Giving up objectives on purpose is hard for low elo players to do, cause they don't know what to fight for and what to let go, and I myself is guilty of wanting to protect bot tower at all costs, just for the sake of it.
2) Low elo players stand around mid lane and share XP, a lot. Hector spent a lot of time alone doing useful things, while racking up farm. Yes, he has mechanics, but this point is still helpful because I can copy at the very least the rotation in my own games.
3) Defender's advantage. It's omitted a lot in general videos, because a lot of videos tend to teach how to get a lead and play the ahead game, but not the other way around. In low elo, people will throw, and this is a good demonstration of how to take advantage of said throws.
4) Hector's microphone commentary is an excellent addition. Getting a peek at his thought process helps you think about your own decisions. He also specifically mentions that low elo players don't know how to sidelane, which is one of the things I want to actively work on. Also he's funny and the commentary is enjoyable.
One thing I kind of don't get here, is Hector mentioning that Caitlyn "does not fix the side wave", what exactly does fixing a side wave mean? Is it different from simply collecting the incoming wave and pushing it past the river? And is it something that Caitlyn specifically has to do, or is it doable by others?
Yeah the last question when he says she doesnt fix the wave left me wondering
As far as i know ur supposed to push the wave towards them so it passes the river and then rotate to diff lane or jg if all lanes are pushed up to get some more farm
The only thing i could come up with is that i saw hector was obly last hirring the waves so maybe cait had to come with supp/jg and push that wave into the tower i guess?
hector the kind of guy to enjoy extreme cbt
LOL
We turned hector into an eunuch to see if he can still carry without his balls.
I joined skillcapped some days ago. Currently platinum 1. Let's see if I can reach that Diamond 2 they promised me xD (I'll give the best of me of course) Thank you for these videos. The quality in this website is still really good too. There is so much to see. But I'm focusing on the adc part. Hopefully I can learn a lot and carry. I would like to see more of this [close to hight elo] videos.
Good luck! Noted!
even if i m gold, i improved a lot and understood the game much better by watching video explaining high elo strategy, wave management, lane pressure, backing before objectives to be at max power.
i am looking for more knowledge
Just watching their wave management video got me from Silver 1-2 to Plat 4 last season as a support main. It really is no joke.
Hows it going?
@@st0rmbreaK which champs did you used to climb?
This channel and some of my friends make me not have ladder anxiety
“We cut hectors arms off and asked him to jump rope”
Love Hector surfing cuz whilst he has good mechanics, their probably on par with high diamond masters. His macro is just insane. Means it's more realistic to emulate him as a low elo player, rather than just watching a yasuo dance around the enemy team.
True, he misses a lot of minions while farming that an high elo adc wouldn't miss
Basically, he is one of us. Decent micro like all of us. Except his macro is far better, so we can always copy him and apply the knowledge in-game that is actually UNIVERSAL, and NOT with one champion only (ahem, one-tricks).
Next up : we ddosed hector so that he can only come into the game at 20 minutes to see how he carries the game
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this is such a good format
1:20 Liked the video instantly whenever you called it mentality and not mental. Idk when that trend started...but thank you! Just thank thank you.
no one:
skill capped challenger lol guides: so we sent hector to play league in the gulag with no food for 2 days
"hectors frail, old man fingers failed to press E on the pyke ult..."
We made Hector run it into the enemy nexus, not buy any items or level up any abilities, and also made him play with his feet
LITERALLY yesterday i was playing adc with a feeder support and remembered the guide to play 1v2 in lane but I was like "God I hope the guide was about a feeder support" and well here I have it, thank you very much as an adc main it'll be very useful
12:45 I think it's a good idea for hyper Carrys like vayne with short range
agreed. vayne benefits from this greatly, since the odds of you carrying late game are so much higher than early game and wtih your t1 up, you're just prone to getting dove if you have an enchanter support (sometimes even other supps if you get behind)
I want to preface this by saying I love this video, it’s super helpful, and I look forward to taking this wisdom into ranked (I’m a mid main that wishes he could win as an adc). Now, that having been said, if you want to torture hector more, give him a support that shoves the waves to “create tower pressure” after he loses that tower early. This way he can’t freeze and get more CS back.
Our HERO Hector fighting evil once again! :OO GO BOY!!!
@7:28 I died laughing at Hector's reaction to the Cait 😂 when she died the anyway sent me 💀😂😭
It's so hard to prevent teammates from dying while you're on a side line, they always want to fight out of nowhere. Here's an experience of a gold elo game:
Had a huge lead playing as ekko in the midlane, had tp so i told my bottom to rotate mid so that i could keep presure on a sidelane so my team can pick up objectives, but instead they just kept fighting mid over and over even when i told them to be careful because i was gonna be pressuring bottom. When i lose those kind of games i get flamed hard because they say i have to stick to them, but like sharing xp and gold it's not the ideal. I sometimes try to explain what they should do but they never change their gameplan. I sometimes get teammates that it's so easy to communicate to them and they follow calls but sometimes i wonder why they think it's a good idea to aram mid all the time.
I guess is because these are the kind of "highlight moments" that they think it is the "game itself" so you need to show up and show how huge of a lead you got, the thing is that most of the time your team will tend to group and fight even if the comp isn't good for it ( kha jg, camille/fiora top, ashe+thresh bot lane). I lose those games even grouping but sometimes it works, mostly when the adc knows how to position well, anyway, I guess you need to balance the styles, the grouping and the splitting, teleport may add a lot for that too.
ARAM because “wE CaN CLEaR mID fASteR dUHhHH”
how about make ALL 4 of your teammates run it down 0/20 because that's my every day match experience.
Me: Adc can carry after watching this video
My Game: 0 vs 10 in 10 minutes
I love Hector with his sarcasm. "Oh no, my tower went down, whatever shall I do?"
"Welcome To Skill Capped ! In today's Hector's journey to hell, we're gonna ..."
Not only they are rank challenger in lol but also in youtube, how could you provide such guide in such a short period of time wow!
I had a similar game with Ashe. It was basically the same thing full adc counters on the enemy team. My team falling so hard that my mid jg goes 2/22 i was 12/11 in that game because they had a 17/2/11 Ahri on the enemy team with 25 mejai stacks, what do i do against that as an adc? Escpecially as Ashe?
Provided you ward and see her coming, you hit her with the cone slow from out of her range, she then has to commit to ulti when slowed, or just let you back off.
If she commits and you have good mechanics (and if you dont, adc is not for you) then you hit her with arrow after a dash and she dies stunned to your As buff. At the start of the dash you know where it finishes, which is how you aim it so she cant dodge it.
If she doesn't, then she gets frustrated and just goes and tries to kill your top Chogath instead and wastes ulti.
Early in teamfights when she wanders too far forward looking for picks, you slow her with your cone. At that point Cho can Q her, you can ulti her if you have a greedy assassin mid waiting around she often dies to them.
@@timroberts6989 Couldn't keep my arrow long enough for her + i can't ward the entire map when my support had 11 vision score at 40 mins. Also Ahri was always on flanking positions making me an easy targed because just like in the video my support was never with me.
@@timroberts6989 Also no damage dealer on top lane. We had Maokai which did decent 2/5/6. The enemy team was Malphite(full armor), hyper fed Ahri, Lucian, Nami, Lee Sin. All of them reached full items just like me. My mid/jg (Sylas and Olaf) went 2/22 without much farm so they had no items. My support was just a kda player (at least not a feeder) and he was never with me it was pretty much me versus the entire enemy team.
@@timroberts6989 I also had 5 games in a row like that. I am Syndra mid dominating against Qiyana, flanking area is full warded on bot lane i spam SS, bot lane dies anyway, after that ADC tilta goes afk, support has 14000 ms and can't play jg tilts and goes 2/14 and it's just me and the top laner. I swear that 30-40% of my soloq games go like that.
This is vídeo is exactly what I needed. Thank you so much Skill Capped, havent seen other channel with such godly content.
What if the outscaling enemy wins all lanes hard?
Is there a way to carry as a jungler?
The problems i have:
I am not the only one ganking, ofc the enemy jungler obv being stronger than me is also
Often the enemy laner can 1v2
Even if i can pick a skirmish that is winnable, there is often a support randomly roaming because their adc does 1v2
Farm and stay near strong allies
You win jungle in the first 5 mins of the game usually.
If you have a bad team in champion selection dodge
jgl is the most impactful role, you have so much agencies with every single champions and can carry 4 bots by yourself better than an adc can.
from my experience after switching to jg from adc, play scaling champions that can participate in early skirmishes (sylas, ekko to name some)
I've applied the let the turret die when losing lane very hard. I've learned this when i saw in professional escene how they let the inhibitor fall down before 20 minutes so they can farm more as the enemy is not likely to end the game so early. The same concept applies here. I usually let the turret die before the turret plates are down, at 10 or 12 minutes, so i have plenty of time to farm before the enemy can extend their lead and i will be very powerful when the nashor is up at 20 mins.
You can't even pay Hector enough for the hell you're putting him through!
Hell you say? Imaging for a moment you were asked to make videos for total noobs who have been playing for a week and cannot beat Beginner Bots. Would you consider it hell to make videos demonstrating all the ways you can stomp beginner bots for the benefit of noobs? It might be boring as fuck but certainly not hellish.
hector is ramirez type of guy
if something has to be done, ramirez
Hector is all we need.
This actually makes sense, I felt like I was losing several games when we are down towers with partners spamming surrender, then it seems magical that we win in the end without anyone on our team too crazy... it’s just that losing forces your team to play more correctly
Legends say if you come early you might get a heart 😇😇😇
I have seen many videos and channels for lol guide but your content is impressive Your tips , when applied to game , guarantee a win . This channel must have more popularity
Bro I am that lucian, I remember this game. I was so pist, My team wouldn't listen to me.
bot diff kekw
you got rekt by Hector
Dude I'm so curious , did your team blame you?? Did you realize that sivir was super good ? If so when ??
I watched the intro of this and was like "nah, you got to be trolling surely even hector cant carry from this spot" and im glad to be proven wrong :D Thanks again skill capped for your amazing vids
Me: doing this and tryings to win game
My team: already lost ff 15 go next *4 votes for surr *
Me: 😐
i was gonna comment, I understand why Hector let tower die when he first mentioned it. 9/10 cases in low elo, enemy bot won't rotate and your support doesn't understand let ADC farm more on top Jungler will come gank not realizing it is not a good ganking lane. I was hoping Skill Capp mention something like that.
@@ferryttelracs3074 true i guess the real point of this video is really showing new players the power of farming.
Are you sure you're playing League of Legends? Because in League of Legends feeding idiots never surrender. Game could be 0-32 at 10 minutes and my teams will NEVER surrender and I fuckin hate it. I'm always down to ff when I get feeding morons.
One thing about letting your turret fall: while the enemies might go off to roam, it's also possible that they'll decide "frick this, supp go mid help team, adc farm and push bot". This would put Hector at a great disadvantage, either having to fight with a fed enemy ADC, or farming somewhere else and letting the enemy ADC get incomprehensible amounts of gold and maybe even taking your inhibitor earlier than any other lane
okay now place hector in low elo, as an adc, with an inting supp, 3 loosing lanes and a 10 0 0 rengar main on their team. try to farm lmao
That's like... Exactly the situation he was in at 7:55 Looks how fed Lucian and Shaco are, and his inting support. Sure it's Shaco instead of Rengar, but same energy.
i had a friend who told me once: The farther the enemy team has to run to get to you the more likely they are to screw up. Its pretty easy to catch people overextending when their lead isnt big enough to 1v2 or 1v3.
I love how you guys roast Hector every time you can.
does hector have his own channel/twitter ? would love to watch more of his normal gameplay
Also a nice fact about sidelanemanagement: If you manage to freeze or overall make the lane slowpush towards you, no low elo player will ever react to it. So the enemy Team misses 300 Gold every Minute. That actually is huge. Especially if you are freezing at your tier 2 tower, where you can stand save.
I gotta say; I think it's extremely understated how much of an advantage it was that Hector's micro was well above his opponents.
I would comment about how much and why I love when ADCs side lane, but the video itself did the honors for me in 8:48
I really thank you for this wonderful video. This surely is gonna help me as I'm stuck in high gold elo from months. You definitely gave me a lesson on how to manage these games that I usually loose. Keep going like that!
lucky hector getting all these fully paid vacations around the world of the soloq ladder
good work with this hector guides, wish to see him more often playing LoL with commentary
The real issue with this is losing drakes and maybe an inib, the snowball can really get out of hands. Imagine a fed Nasus hard pushing top who'd need two people to stop, then the mid will likely falter, etc. At the end of the day, a dragon soul can really turn an important fight.
I have a question regarding the strategy: What is the meaning of the phrase "Fixing the wave"? I noticed that Hector consistently crashed the wave against the enemy tower, be it t1 or t2 towers. Was this done to favor a slow push towards your side because of the strength difference between the minion waves?
If he crashes the wave and then no one touches it it will slow push to him eventually so he will be able to farm a cumulated wave ^^
Thanks for the video, but I have a question.
What did Hector mean by fixing side waves at 7:34 ?
3 years later, but with "fixing waves" he mean crashing them on the enemy tower so it will slow push towards you, giving you a time window that you can use for roam or wathever and later you can collect them on your side of the map, and fix the wave again
8:58 Hector begs for mercy Skill Capped :(
poor hector ;-;
It sounds scripted jk
you forgot to implement the useless support spam pinging us after every death
On the opposite end, how do you ensure you snowball the lanes if you're winning?
the moment I queue up I forgot everything I learn
I'm a bit confused. At around 12:23 : you say that you should push when waves pushes towards your side of the map ( which makes sense) but then you say you should group when they're pushing towards you??? Isn't that the same thing ?
Personally I think that you can probably let your tower die while you’re ahead. Not only does it give you easier farm, but I think it’s important for 2 more reasons. 1: the enemy ADC (assuming bot lane took the tower) might just roam around and leach XP from the rest of their team, while probably not providing for their team in any meaningful way. 2: Though it depends on the elo, a lot of times the enemy team might just try to take inner turrets just because it’s an objective on the screen. If the enemy ADC and support try to take inner turret, the winning ADC and someone else from that team can hopefully win the 2v2 and then with that lead they can take towers, drake, or baron
how do you "fix the waves" in the mid game to prevent a huge slow push of minions in the side lane?
How to stop enemys to end the game before i get strong?
I didn't know that if your turret falls you get this kind of buff going on.
That is an interesting take since I always felt like defending the turret as much as I could...
4:07 is this still applicable? Everyone tells me laning phase extends till ALL tier 1 turrets are gone in each lane but that cant be true bc that rarely happens.
If you get a hold advantage in the long run for losing your tower early, maybe it's a good idea in lower elos specifically since they on average go for much longer than high elo games, while it's a disadvantage in high elo cuz you on average will not have that larger window with which to scale
Tryndamere typing "our bot lane is inting and useless" while Hector's 1-4 Ashe just solo kills the 8-3 Caitlyn who already had 2 items and Berserker's lmao
me downloading all of their videos from their website and watching it offline:
yeah its big brain time
For the question at the end. No, it will not be beneficial when ahead, when behind it will be. Reasons why is that if you properly play your own macro, sabotaging your own turret will mean you have to pick up more waves on that lane. Meaning you will not be there for the objectives you should be picking up. If a fed Kaisa decides to not take a turret but instead let her turret fall, she will fall behind to the enemy and has to come back through enemy mistakes, instead you can pick the better option of getting ahead and making as little mistakes as possible. That way you don't rely on enemy mistakes, but instead on trying to extend your lead by making as little mistakes yourself as possible (which is exactly the same thing as when behind, but now without the enemy factor)
The thing is that Caitlyn and Sona could just have frozen the wave at 3:03 forever close to their turret and Hector would be unable to play the game at all. It does not happen often in low elo but it does happen.
I saw Hector built Manamune on Sivir, is that viable? From what I know she goes for ER for the CDR and mana refund on hit
was wondering this
What does hector mean at 7:42 about Caitlyn not fixing the side wave? Should the Caitlyn have frozen the wave or should she have crashed it all the way deep into the other tower?
Im stuck in silver atm, when I review my games I seem to be playing very well on paper/stat-wise and my wr has plummeted even tho I feel I have improved at the game. My initial thought is that it is because my teammates are getting mad at me and rage 4v5ing whilst im trying to do something elsewhere on the map but I honestly dont know what to do at this point, If I listen to my team it turns into a coin flip 5v5 in the jungle and if I dont then they go 4v5 anyways whilst I take 7 towers and cant 1v5 due to the champs I play and my current skill level. What should I be focusing on?
i would suggest muting them all but leave pings on only(turn them off if they spam ping), if you do that you won't know they are raging and thus giving you more focus to what you need to do for the win condition
Skillcapped: take your time Hector find the right game to upload
I'm surprised hector hasn't just given up on life with the hell you put him through 😂
After all videos with Hector I can truly state that this man has passed LoL
If you are ahead, how are you supposed to manage side lane waves?
Lol, this video already taught me a lot in 30 minutes. You can chose how badly you lose and what I also prefer is a faster pushing wave towards me.
Pro tip, you don't have to do the calculations for the minion buffs yourself, just left click the enemy minion and look above its hp bar. Can also be checked on your own minions
While watching this video, I got into a very similar game. Nami sat behind me and was always full mana and health while leeching XP. Terrible 3v5 fights in JG. Team spam pinging and ff'ing. I got a ton of side lane farm and a 4 lvl lead over the Jhin. We got 4 straight dragons, baron, and the win. thanks!!
you mentioned several times that this works because enemies fail to "fix their waves" in the sidelanes. what does that mean specifically? if im the enemy caitlyn here, what should i do to avoid sivir getting back in the game like this?
I found the mechanic behind losing first Tower to be _somewhat_ similar to losing Inhibitor very early on (like 15-20 minutes). If you just destroyed the enemy team's Inhib at 15 minutes, congrats, you're actively sabotaging your team out of CS, and by proxy, gold. That lane is automatically pushing towards the enemy team and you won't be able to farm properly.
I have a question. What do you do if your team does just die and the enemy opens your base. When do you choose to move back to your team to try and stop the enemy.