Hi there, I wanted a demo the difference between the washing styles of the long stroke A610  and the short strokes of the LAT 9804. I used four beach towels in each machine and set them at large water level.
That's why vintage washers will always win and these manufacturers still don't get it. Did they ever realized what great machines these Maytags were? Probably or probably not. I love both washers. They're my adorable friends 😊
I have a modern version of this washer which had the straight vane agitator and I also bought the dual action agitator. Sometimes I like washing with the straight and sometimes with the dual. I simply love the washers and love to play with them!!!
The orbital has shorter faster agitation strokes while the helical is slower and longer. I think the orbital transmission was more built for the dual action agitator. The helical is the older model which was built for the single straight vane agitator. Those are two great machines. 💯❤️🥳
It should also be noted that both machines are helical “drive”……meaning they use a screw to engage the transmission during agitation and when the motor reverses the transmission is not engaged for spin. The proper difference is the transmission itself, not the drive system. The older long stroke version used a pitman gear….and is such described as the pitman transmission VS the newer fast stroke orbital transmission. Again, both are helical drive.
@@thomaszinecker-m3y thanks I never knew that, cause I heard mention Pittman transmission, but I thought that was the helical transmission. Thanks for clarifying.. so they are both helical transmission but one is the orbital and the other is the Pitman. 👍🏻
@@petermaz701 If you still have the GE, I'd like to hear it with the mini basket on small load size with the machine on normal speed and regular cycle with the pan on top and the lid shut for the memories.
@@petermaz701 I love it too. I love how the mini basket sounds with the filter pan on top and set to small and normal speed with the lid shut. That includes with a load in it also.
If you want to see the real mettle these machines have then load them up to capacity. Fill both tubs and THEN see the difference between the turnover between the 2 Maytags. Let’s see which Maytag can turn over the largest load.
Whether it’s wishful thinking or just a trick of the eye, the 9804 indeed has a wider cabinet, larger lid and a wider mouth opening to the tub with a redesigned tub cover and a redesigned balance ring at the top of the wash basket compared to the A610. However, there is zero difference in usable capacity between the two machines. Same cubic feet. 19 gallons for max fill as set by the factory. Even though the 9804 is designated Ultra Capacity …..the wash basket capacity is identical to the A610. The wider tub opening just gives the illusion of being larger.
The only Maytags ( prior to the Whirlpool take over) that had a larger capacity than the Newton IA classic Maytags …..were the Herrin IL built Norge”tag” machines
@@thomaszinecker-m3y wow it definitely is though a trick of the eye because I find that the 9804 seems roomier than the 610. It really does trick the eye and the brain. Lol 😂
@@thomaszinecker-m3y hi I did some investigating this morning with my two machines. The cabinets are exactly the same size. The tub in the 9804 is wider and shallower than the tub in the 610 which is deeper. Thus the 9804 looks bigger when you open up the lid because it's wider the agitator comes up higher in the tub. Whereas the agitator in the 610 seems lower in the tub because of the height difference in the two tub, never realized it until you pointed it out.
The base of the agitator on the 9804 is a lot smaller than the base of the turquoise power fin on the A610…..this also adds to the illusion. It was felt that the base/skirt of the power fin would cause too much drag on the transmission with the short stroke. The short stroke also overpowered the tub brake during agitation ….causing the tub to creep with the larger agitator. I am also guilty of describing the agitation of the orbital transmission as short/fast…..when it should only be described as SHORT. In reality…..the agitator is traveling at the exact same speed in either direction as with the Pittman transmission ……it is another trick of the eye that it’s faster because the stroke is dramatically shorter. Regarding capacity, I suppose I forgot to mention the thankfully short lived Amana-tags. They also had a larger capacity than Newton built machines. The usable capacity as far as washability is concerned can be increased on the orbital by installing a Load Sensor corkscrew agitator. I really didn’t pay attention in the videos as to each machines maximum fill. If they are still at factory settings and haven’t been adjusted or creeped out of calibration…….without a load…..fill one machine to max fill….then stick the drain hose into the tub of the other…..and spin the water from one, into the other. The water level on the barrel of the agitator should be the same….somewhere in the middle of the top or 4th filter hole.
@@rodman1811 I agree with you 100% I prefer the older transmission better. They did it to compete with whirlpool who just had come out with the direct drives. It seems that Maytag and whirlpool always had some sort of competition.
liquid fabric softener is not good for both the washer & dryer. its like candle wax it traps in dirt in the outer drum makes it smell like mold after a while & messes up agitator "dog ears" on ratcheting agitators. in the dryer it evaporates leaves sticky layer of wax then lint till it causes a blockage.. plus its wax which burns. WHEN it gets too much goes on fire its hard to put out and thats if you have it apart with water.. use dryer sheets ONLY. difference between both the older has more of a agitator swing like half turn to maybe a quarter turn i think less swing put less strain on the parts. but the older washer had a stronger transmission. over years the grease got thicker causing a drag & belt wear. just like the old whirlpool belt drive washers transmissions.
@@limitedx3776 at first I thought you were talking about the GE I put the straight paint agitator in and took out the ramp agitator. Which agitator were you talking about in the Maytag?
@@limitedx3776 yeah I could do that sometime the reason I'm a little reluctant is because on the 9804 you have to unscrew the agitator and on the 610 you just pop it off. I don't want to strip that screw because it's going into plastic by doingthat too often.
Nice comparison Pete ! 2 Excellent machines !
Both solid machines. I still prefer the pitman transmission, but couldn’t pass up a 9804, that clean, and optioned. Nice acquisition.
@@dynatrak I totally agree! The long strokes are better at turnover.
That's why vintage washers will always win and these manufacturers still don't get it. Did they ever realized what great machines these Maytags were? Probably or probably not. I love both washers. They're my adorable friends 😊
@@erg844 it's all for cost saving and generating revenue. The bottom line is to do machines are cheaper to build and cost the company less money.
I have a modern version of this washer which had the straight vane agitator and I also bought the dual action agitator. Sometimes I like washing with the straight and sometimes with the dual. I simply love the washers and love to play with them!!!
@@augustowaters2866 yes it's fun to change them out although I prefer the straight vein. Which machine do you have? That's the modern version?
@@petermaz701 TH-cam doesn’t allow to post pictures, maybe we will have to meet another platform so that I can send you pictures
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@@alix1817 yes has a soak cycle that might help if there on the dirty side.
@@petermaz701 OMG WELL I NEVER LOLOLOL
They are both good, but I prefer
The older one far more!
@@Jerry-dq4om I agree with you on that note as well something about the original.
the older maytag is better
@@CrestwoodRocks yes I have to agree with you. The older long strokes on the vintage machine has a better turnover.
The orbital has shorter faster agitation strokes while the helical is slower and longer. I think the orbital transmission was more built for the dual action agitator. The helical is the older model which was built for the single straight vane agitator. Those are two great machines. 💯❤️🥳
@@chineeboy18 thank you so much. I'm so glad I found one in such good condition, like new.
I will show you all of my collection later on!!!
I had this one it’s not as good as the older one but it still was a very good machine washed very well
@@nbk57ra I agree it's a very good machine, but the older version is still my favorite.
Honestly, I can never make up my mind.
@@papadop I love the orbital however, there's something about the original that I find you can't beat!
It should also be noted that both machines are helical “drive”……meaning they use a screw to engage the transmission during agitation and when the motor reverses the transmission is not engaged for spin. The proper difference is the transmission itself, not the drive system. The older long stroke version used a pitman gear….and is such described as the pitman transmission VS the newer fast stroke orbital transmission. Again, both are helical drive.
@@thomaszinecker-m3y thanks I never knew that, cause I heard mention Pittman transmission, but I thought that was the helical transmission. Thanks for clarifying.. so they are both helical transmission but one is the orbital and the other is the Pitman. 👍🏻
Man that butterscotch one... sounds soo soothing.
A video with that one only ... id totally knock out 😂
@@pontiac38gm The one on the right in Harvest Gold is the oldest. Are you referring to the middle one in Almond? Thats a really smooth machine.
@petermaz701 the one with smooth and semi slow agitation... so soothing
@@pontiac38gm yes that's my favorite. And the oldest of the group.
@@petermaz701 do you have a video with that machine only ?
@@pontiac38gm no I have more videos you got a look they're there
I would get the load sensor agitator for this machine, it will really turn over a large load wirh no issue. Great machine.
The orbital reminds me of the whirlpool and later GE.
@@jeromedavis8575 definitely reminds me of the whirlpool/Kenmore family of direct drives
@@petermaz701 If you still have the GE, I'd like to hear it with the mini basket on small load size with the machine on normal speed and regular cycle with the pan on top and the lid shut for the memories.
@@jeromedavis8575 yes I have the GE. I'm not getting rid of that. I love the machine.
@@petermaz701 I love it too. I love how the mini basket sounds with the filter pan on top and set to small and normal speed with the lid shut. That includes with a load in it also.
If you want to see the real mettle these machines have then load them up to capacity. Fill both tubs and THEN see the difference between the turnover between the 2 Maytags. Let’s see which Maytag can turn over the largest load.
@@patcola7335 I don't have enough to make it an equal run bad enough, I had to buy another beach towel. I'm not buying anymore. 🤣😂😝
@@petermaz701 Just do a big mixed load of pants,shirts, towels etc…take one for the team ! Load those suckers up.
Whether it’s wishful thinking or just a trick of the eye, the 9804 indeed has a wider cabinet, larger lid and a wider mouth opening to the tub with a redesigned tub cover and a redesigned balance ring at the top of the wash basket compared to the A610. However, there is zero difference in usable capacity between the two machines. Same cubic feet. 19 gallons for max fill as set by the factory. Even though the 9804 is designated Ultra Capacity …..the wash basket capacity is identical to the A610. The wider tub opening just gives the illusion of being larger.
The only Maytags ( prior to the Whirlpool take over) that had a larger capacity than the Newton IA classic Maytags …..were the Herrin IL built Norge”tag” machines
For those who would quibble with me…..I am referring to top loaders built in Newton, only and not referring to any Neptunes, Front or Top loaders
@@thomaszinecker-m3y wow it definitely is though a trick of the eye because I find that the 9804 seems roomier than the 610. It really does trick the eye and the brain. Lol 😂
@@thomaszinecker-m3y hi I did some investigating this morning with my two machines. The cabinets are exactly the same size. The tub in the 9804 is wider and shallower than the tub in the 610 which is deeper. Thus the 9804 looks bigger when you open up the lid because it's wider the agitator comes up higher in the tub. Whereas the agitator in the 610 seems lower in the tub because of the height difference in the two tub, never realized it until you pointed it out.
The base of the agitator on the 9804 is a lot smaller than the base of the turquoise power fin on the A610…..this also adds to the illusion. It was felt that the base/skirt of the power fin would cause too much drag on the transmission with the short stroke. The short stroke also overpowered the tub brake during agitation ….causing the tub to creep with the larger agitator. I am also guilty of describing the agitation of the orbital transmission as short/fast…..when it should only be described as SHORT. In reality…..the agitator is traveling at the exact same speed in either direction as with the Pittman transmission ……it is another trick of the eye that it’s faster because the stroke is dramatically shorter.
Regarding capacity, I suppose I forgot to mention the thankfully short lived Amana-tags. They also had a larger capacity than Newton built machines.
The usable capacity as far as washability is concerned can be increased on the orbital by installing a Load Sensor corkscrew agitator.
I really didn’t pay attention in the videos as to each machines maximum fill. If they are still at factory settings and haven’t been adjusted or creeped out of calibration…….without a load…..fill one machine to max fill….then stick the drain hose into the tub of the other…..and spin the water from one, into the other. The water level on the barrel of the agitator should be the same….somewhere in the middle of the top or 4th filter hole.
Why did they change to the orbital transmission. I’ve never been a fan of short stroke agitation
@@rodman1811 I agree with you 100% I prefer the older transmission better. They did it to compete with whirlpool who just had come out with the direct drives. It seems that Maytag and whirlpool always had some sort of competition.
liquid fabric softener is not good for both the washer & dryer. its like candle wax it traps in dirt in the outer drum makes it smell like mold after a while & messes up agitator "dog ears" on ratcheting agitators. in the dryer it evaporates leaves sticky layer of wax then lint till it causes a blockage.. plus its wax which burns. WHEN it gets too much goes on fire its hard to put out and thats if you have it apart with water.. use dryer sheets ONLY.
difference between both the older has more of a agitator swing like half turn to maybe a quarter turn i think less swing put less strain on the parts. but the older washer had a stronger transmission. over years the grease got thicker causing a drag & belt wear. just like the old whirlpool belt drive washers transmissions.
@@joeyjennings9548 thanks for the info I do appreciate it. I don't use it all the time, I do have dryer sheets as well.
Could you switch the agitators out and put them in the other?
@@limitedx3776 at first I thought you were talking about the GE I put the straight paint agitator in and took out the ramp agitator.
Which agitator were you talking about in the Maytag?
@@petermaz701 taking the a610 and putting it in the 9804 just to see potential wash differences
@@limitedx3776 yeah I could do that sometime the reason I'm a little reluctant is because on the 9804 you have to unscrew the agitator and on the 610 you just pop it off. I don't want to strip that screw because it's going into plastic by doingthat too often.
Maytags are not made like this anymore.
@@user-ss1uv1lh5r not at all made like the oldies.