X Plane - Boeing 727 Startup Procedures | FlyJSim
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- Power up through take-off in the FlyJSim 727-200 from Cold and Dark. All steps annotated on screen for easy viewing.
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Retired A&P. Spent 23 years on flight lines, ASC Heavy 'D' check, and engine overhaul shops. Worked on everything from corporate to majors, passenger to cargo config. Worked for EAL in Miami 1986-89, on B-727, DC-9, L1011 and A300. But the B727-200 has always been my favorite. This is a great tutorial. I really miss that bird, even though she would make me curse up a storm at times.
That’s fantastic! Thanks for taking the time to comment and we are glad you liked it. If you’ve got a good story or two, drop it in, we are avgeeks
Ok, here’s my two cents as a real world qualified FE on the E-3 (707-320). I’m by no means trying to be rude or condescending. I have hundreds of flight hours and am speaking from my experience and knowledge of these types of systems. Just some things I saw...
Check your volts and freqs before applying APU power to the sync bus. Then check your T/Rs. Each should indicate at least 24V. Then be sure to set the essential power to APU. Also, the APU on the 727 is unable to handle the load of both packs simultaneously. When you do that, look at the APU EGT. It will rise above limits possibly causing severe damage, if not a fire (in real life or if you have the maintenance system turned on in X Plane). Although, I don’t think it’ll cause a fire in X Plane lol.
As far as pressurization, you will be fine leaving it in GRD the whole flight. The purpose of FLT mode is to pressurize 250 some odd feet below field altitude. Although this is just a sim, the problem with pressurizing on the ground, is that (in a real plane) if you needed to evacuate the aircraft on the ground after the doors are closed, you wouldn’t be able to escape. This tragically happened to a commercial 707 back in the day. The only good reason to go to FLT mode is if you do a water landing to prevent water seeping in through the outflow valve.
Speaking from experience, there is A LOT that the performance card is neglecting. To name a few, it doesn’t factor, Runway Condition Reading, Runway Surface Condition, Static vs Rolling, acceleration height, runway length, runway slope, screen height, required climb gradient, or obstacles. The landing card also neglects, go around power, landing distance and ground roll. All these factors are critical in determining your max takeoff weight and landing suitability. Flyjsim is lacking in this area.
For engine start, it is critical that you check that there’s a drop in bleed air duct pressure and that the start valve open light illuminates. If this doesn’t happen, it means that the engine is not receiving bleed air required for N2 rotation. You also want to observe an almost immediate rise in oil pressure. When the GRD start switch is released, you then want to observe a rise in duct pressure, the corresponding IDG light extinguished, and the System A hydraulic low press light is extinguished (if starting engines 1 or 2). If the duct pressure does not rise after releasing the start switch, that will cause damage to the starter in the engine.
I know you put in the takeoff EPR on takeoff roll, but your engine EGT was out of limits. From playing around with Flyjsim’s 727, I’ve noticed that the takeoff N1 is better for engine EGT. This is Flyjsim’s fault though. They’re not very accurate and I’m a little frustrated honestly, but I also have real world standards, so I guess I’m kind of not being fair.
Anyway, nice vid my man and keep up the good work!
Wow, comment gold! Thank you for taking the time to share you expertise, I will go add those steps to my printed checklist for added realism. Have you seen our Wilson 707 video? It isn't nearly as good as the FlyJSim, but it is (was) the only payware 707 around. Do you also have 727 time in the real world, or is the ship so similar that what you wrote applies to both models? Thanks again for sharing your knowledge!
Flight Brothers FT yeah, no problem! I wish I had 727 time, that would be awesome. But the systems operate very similarly, with different limits and performance capabilities. Once you understand one plane though, it’ll be easy to figure out its cousin. There are many concepts that just apply universally (ex: checking T/Rs after APU start or checking drop in duct pressure for engine start). I also learned a lot about the differences between the 707 and 727 from CBTs. If you search “727 CBT,” there are tons of good videos that explain the systems in detail. We use the same type of training on the E-3 as well.
I’ll have to check out the Wilson 707
@sniper dolphin, other flight brother (Lee) here. Love the details and comments. I’m guessing you called NE and OK home for a while??
Flight Brothers FT Been in OK for a minute. Was a maintainer on the E-3 as well
Last time I was there I saw a couple depart over top.
Yep. The APU is in the belly. The exhaust comes out of the top of the right wing by the fuselage. We had to be careful when we deiced it to not blow glycol into the exhaust or you could flood it out and then it would fill the cabin with smoke. Amazing airplane. Great video also. Appreciate you
Nice, thank you for sharing! We need more REAL tutorials on classic airliners, like this one! Most others I came across are more of a show off (ie, "oh look what I know" kind-of-thing) and trying to figure out what they are doing. But this one is awesome! Looking forward for VOR+CIVA old skool navigation tutorials from this channel! And ultimately a complete "slant Alfa" navigation tutorial on VATSIM/IVAO with this FlyJSim B727/737! Thanks again!
Thanks for the great feedback. We'll be live streaming this Sunday using slant alpha (radio nav only for those who scrolling this who don't know). More tutorials to come in the future!
As I've suggested to many other authors of videos like this, you should review and use procedures and checklists from an actual airline that operated the type. Battery voltage before starting APU. Check fire detection system before starting APU. You should NOT select STBY on Essential Power sw when you did; it will deplete battery quickly. Check APU Crank annunciator when starting APU. ALWAYs check Volts/Freqs before selecting any power source. I could go on. Yes, I taught 727 and other types and have thousands of hours at the panel and at the controls of this type.
Thank you very much for sharing these videos, they have helped me a lot to finish understanding and flying my B727, congratulations and greetings from Mexico.
Thanks for the feedback. It's always nice to hear that fellow simmers are benefiting!
Just wanted to say thanks. Bought this months ago but kept putting it off. This sure helped!
Glad to hear it! Happy flying and thanks for the compliment.
I'm following step by step on this beautiful video it will help me to improve how to fly this amazing plane , thank you much for every detail you describe !!! Greetings from Tecate Mexico
Thank you for the compliment! Welcome to the channel 😀 Greetings from KPHX.
Great video. Don’t forget to test the APU fire alarm before starting it.
Thanks for the compliment and feedback!
Apu fire alarm test is not working before the apu is online and things are closed
Hmm. Do you have maintenance turned on? Possibly a system failure? That is not an issue we have experienced.
Cool video!! Maybe next video do a flight in the 727 or da a civa ins tutorial.
Amateur Pilot we are planning a live stream this Sunday with a flight in it!
Like others who have commented below, I'd like to add my two cents. Upon engine startup, isn't it essential that the engine/s generator voltage and frequency be manually put into phase before connecting them to the sync bus? I didn't see this paralleling happen in the startup sequence. Thanks.
Very very good video tutorial. Very thanks
Thank you, our pleasure. Happy flying!
One of the best add ons for xp11, still the best looking imo.
It is a beauty. I must take 30 screenshots everytime I take it up. Have you tried their 737-200? We have a video comparing them if you'd like a look.
@@FlightBrothersFT yes I do have all the FJS modules. I would like to see a comparison video.
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Great video 🙏🏼
Thanks for the compliment. Happy flying!
Thank you buddy 😊👍
You're welcome 😊
Very nice video. Thanks for sharing!
You are very welcome, thanks for taking time to comment. Happy flying!
That livery is just sooo... SATISFYING. where did you get it?
FlyJSim has all the liveries on their website for free download. Long live the flying meatball of PANAM!
Very informative great video 👍🏾👍🏾
Glad you liked it, thanks for commenting!
Everything turns on but i got no electrical to FMC. The HSI VOR distance indicator does not show up, and my autopilot doesn't work.
I'm following every step, what i'm doing wrong? The problem is HSI VOR distance indicator doesn't remove that white cover, the autopilot doesn't work and FMS doesn't turn on when starting the plane from "cold and dark" status.
I don't have these issues when starting from "already running engines"
I tried to click on one of the two switches behind the Captain seat and saw that the closest one is the cause behind the FMS and HSI VOR distance indicator not working, so i presume that the autopilot wouldn't work either as if that switch turns off all electricals (is that true? is that the switch that controls the electricals, instruments and autopilot?)
The problem is that even if click on it when starting from cold and dark, nothing happens nor changes, so apparently i found the cause behind but still don't have a solution and have no idea what to do.
Watched several cold and dark startup videos on YT but no one seems to have this issue...
I don't have these issues with any of my other planes, default ones nor Zibo, only 727.
I just found out that if i bind a key to "turn on avionics" HSI and FMS show up, and as soon as i re-press it they turn off again. I've looked around to see if there was something moving while pressing that key, but nothing in the cockpit changes... so the problem is that i'm missing something in the startup procedure? what's about turning on avionics in the 727 that i'm missing?
It’s been quite some time since I’ve flown the 727. I remember engaging the autopilot has a few quirks to it, which I always re-discover. Tim might be able to chime in here and help. Thanks for taking the time to comment and if I’m able to squeeze back into the sim, I’ll see if I can find anything of use. -Lee
@@FlightBrothersFT Thank you so much, it's a pleasure
My advice: since they didn’t give us a cabin to look at, leave the packs off at all times.
Hahaha, just make sure you keep your oxygen mask on.
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Long live the flying meatball!
my apu gen, and engine gen bus refuse to close
Hmmm... Was the APU running for at least 30-60 seconds before trying to put it on bus? That is the only thing I can think of, as I know it won't close immediately after start.
Hey dude! Everytime i start my APU it does not go any higher then 2500 when spooling up, also i get not flickering lights like you do am i doing somthing wrong or could this be a bug?
Interesting. Were you able to put the AP on the electrical BUS for power? Did you have APU bleed pressure for engine start and AC packs? Or do you feel like your APU was spooling but never actually igniting and starting? If it is spooling but not starting, that is likely a fuel issue.
Amazing livery for the flyjsim 727 the tutorial is very useful but I sont have that plane :/
FlyJSim make very good products and we highly recommend them if you are in the market for one of their aircraft. I would say the are definitely geared for the intermediate to advanced sim pilot, but that shouldn’t dissuade someone wanting to learn a complex airplane. They are pricey, but competitive and worth the asking price.
@@FlightBrothersFTwelp i will think if i save money for that 727 it looks very great
Only if it wasnt a payware aircraft. Really broke to afford it :(
Keep an eye out for sales around holidays.
Also what plane is at 0:32?
Boeing 707 (Michael Wilson). We have quite a few videos on it if you'd like to see more. Unfortunately it is no longer available for purchase, the reasons for that are unclear. Hopefully it will be returned for sale or released as freeware at some point. We get a lot of interest in it, but nobody can get it now.
Flight Brothers FT yep hopefully michael wilson didnt die or something. Also it started working for me. I didnt do anything the plane just works now and its beautiful
The dislikes are from the people that don't own this aircraft
Must be, this plane is amazing!
Or from people who have never flown it IRL. I had three great years on the 727, my first jet. All approaches hand flown, sh@t weather in northern Europe, heating that didn't work (my water bottle would freeze solid), extremely noisey air con.... I loved every minute 😊
Does it ask you for activation code every time?
Nope. Just installation and I think some updates. Otherwise no.
Flight Brothers FT hmm it asks it every time for me
@@pizza_parker9689 that is definitely not normal. You might want to email FlyJSim support.
@@pizza_parker9689 Got the same problem with th v2 so i used a crack for it.
e30kitty i just restarted many times and it worked