Another great video! I've binge-watched every video on the X Pilot channel... now I'm bummed because there's none left to watch! Keep up the great work :)
@@BryanMalloch That meant that the aircraft had suffered a hard landing with the left gear touching down at a rate of 12.5 ft per second. :) Bryan, your turn now! :)
@@asully3006 I'm still a little confused as the caption only specified it twice... did the aircraft suffer a hard landing with the left gear touching down at a rate of 12.5 ft per second?
Good for FedEx for correcting their check flights, and making it easier for deficient pilots to correct their skills. Glad no one was injured seriously.
Captain: Keep it out of the grass F/O: *nervous laughter* The captain must have known that there was a very good chance he was going to end up in the grass by his speed and the way he lined up the aircraft. Just as if you were a driver but in the passenger seat you would be able to sense if the driver needed to slow down or wasn't going to make a turn etc. Why not guide a clearly nervous, jittery F/O than throwing him in the deep end and watching him sink?
Even though the pilots were criticized for their less-than-stellar performance, their very survival may have well been dependent on their combined experience - which was a lot. On the other hand, they made rookie mistakes. I think I just canceled out my own comment. But worth noting is the excellent video! Well done, sir. Well done.
That was a she. --- The first officer, age 44, was hired by FedEx on February 21, 1996, from Mesaba Airlines, where she had been employed as a DeHavilland DHC-8 captain. She holds an ATP certificate (issued March 21, 1991) with a multiengine land rating and a flight engineer certificate for turbojet-powered airplanes. The first officer's ATP certificate indicated type ratings in the DHC-8 (issued September 21, 1992), Fokker F-27 (issued November 11, 1995), and MD-11 (issued October 22, 1998). FedEx records indicated that the first officer completed initial MD-10 differences training on February 10, 2003. The first officer's most recent FAA first-class airman medical certificate was issued on July 25, 2003, with a restriction that the holder must wear corrective lenses.
@@SteveHolsten I think someone deleted their comment. The interaction between her and the Captain seemed strained at the least. Thank you for sharing her background, it makes her novice mistake even more perplexing to me.
@@terrell5145 I'm not too keen on those videos, he always puts dreadful music on them, plus you can always see his pointer/cursor controlling the airplane - very amateur!
The 120 page 18 Dec 2003 NTSB investigation/accident report for this accident is online in PDF form. "....the airplane touched down extremely hard while still in a crab."
I’m glad they were safe, but I was not expecting the fire at the end. It’s weird that they are addressing this by recognizing training deficiencies when the FO had 15,000 flight hours. I’m not so sure that’s a training issue as much as he was just not very adept. Very odd case. Thank you for this presentation. I love your channel!
my favorite fact about this crash is a passenger on the plane tried to help with the evacuation but accidently detached the inflatable slide. the slide can be detached to be a makeshift water raft.
The MD-11 has a modified airfoil design. The tail provides less lift / less drag requiring the MD-10 to have to come in at a higher speed similar to a fighter jet. There is also an optical problem which makes it harder for the pilot to tell where the nose is.
The excessive speed did not cause the landing gear failure, it was the yaw of the aircraft in addition to the right wing dropping at touchdown that caused the landing gear to collapse. Aircraft must take 500 fpm landing strikes by design, but this aircraft hit the runway somewhat sideways descending at 870 fpm. Given the weight of the aircraft, they are lucky to walk away. A 20-degree crosswind is not difficult to handle, given 16G22. The added speed probably saved their lives. I disagree about terminating people for making mistakes - they won't make that one again, but consistently below-average performance should be a red flag. The check pilot … smack him with a book of approach plates. What were you thinking? jmho.
Not to state that they shouldn't have landed safely, but I wonder what forces the FO was working against when he/she said "Goodness", and why he/she proceeded to hard land when the decent was too rapid.
So the ntsb issued recommendations that airlines create programs for flight crew who struggled in trainings or have had training failures? The program i would recommend is unemployment...too dangerous of a job with others lives on the line to hire half ass pilots and crew. Imo
NTSB had to say something or they could of stated the obvious, you all screwed up. I honestly wondered if the captain didn't like the fact the F.O. was a female, he seemed to have an attitude.
@@XalphYT if they struggled then they weren't 85% of the way there. Would you go to a doctor who struggled in medical school? Some people are actually born more suited to be pilots, you know better eyesight, intellect,etc
Donald Salkovick Agreed. Some people are not cut out to be pilots, but was that true of the first officer here? Inexperience and incompetence are two very different things.
The DC-10 has had 15 incidents. The 737 has had 78. The 737 flies more routes though. All in all, the DC-10’s safety record is in line with everything else.
Doesn’t mean that FO Is based in MEM. He could be based west coast and rarely see MEM. I’m based at one of our further bases in the system and almost rarely see my company home airport. Maybe once every two months will go there.
@@explorer326mpd She was based in Memphis. I had flown with her the previous month, RFO- relief pilot one leg KMEM-LFPG, never saw her fly, made lots of impressions on me, none good. Later learned other Captains worse experiences. She was fired, now dead from natural causes.
I remember seeing this plane in the grass at the airport when I got to the yard. It was still on fire. Did they explain why the 1st off. landed so hard? did he not look at his vert. speed?
didn't the captain say that if they were not stable by 1000 feet they would go around? If i heard the tape correctly, the altitude (by aircraft system) called 1000 feet, then the FO asked for gear down.. and the flaps were not fully configured either... that is an unstable approach. A go-around should have been called by the captain.
Intersection MACEE, not MAGEE (just saying) All looked good till touchdown; must have pounded it in pretty good and a bit of a shock in the departure into the grass..
What’s the problem, some new skin, a few of those round rib thingies an old wing laying around, referb motor and bam, back in service. This is why my FedEx stuff is so expensive.
I can't even drive a car correctly sometimes - let alone contend with all that's involved with big Jets and modern aviation. That's why I chose to fly gliders and water aircraft.
@@faerieSAALE I've never even heard of those ppl. Just be glad you aren't a Donner....every time you go to a restaurant: "Donner party .....of 3 hehehe" I mean my God its been like 200 years.
Random question but I’m assuming pilots are on this channel Why can I use my cell phone (like cellular calling/texting) with certain airlines but not others ? I heard that the airplane mode is a bunch of bs and that unless it’s an old plane it most likely won’t interfere with anything. Is this true ? This might be a dumb question but why could people use sky phones but I can’t call on my cellphone? Also where did skyphones go?
It might, I repeat, it might effect the electronics on the aircraft. Some airlines just dont want to risk it. Sky phones were not wireless, therefore wouldn't affect the aircraft.
I have a feeling he knows the copilot was marginal and that was where some of his comments were coming from. He should have took over before they went in the grass or smacked the runway.
@@zzrsteve7934 She filed a grievance against the last Captain that took over a landing to save the aircraft on a previous flight. That's why this guy was told to let her land it. So he did what he was ordered to do. All kinds of PC stink surrounding this fight crew and loss of aircraft.
@@maxlever9196 Wow, that totally explains things!. I take my original post back and see now what the captain was doing and I can't blame him....... Call me skeptical but I just feel these "women can do everything a man can" days are going to end in disaster.......
That means the steady-state when is interrupted by between 5 and 10 knots of wind unexpectedly. This is a problem for heavy aircraft in that they have inertia so the gain or loss is real as opposed to a light aircraft which would simply transition to the new parcel of air envelope. But the captain stating four knots it's just another way that he has been harassing her for three hours with. He's being a smart alec . The proper airspeed pad is all of the steady-state plus half of the gust wind . Keep it out of the grass. Right
Holy shit, is it nice to see a recreation of everyone surviving. Thank you for giving us one with a happy ending.
This comment just ruined the ending as I started the video because it’s top comment 😂
Well that escalated slowly.
Too slowly.
Technically it descended slowly. It was a landing, silly.
Well, I can clearly see the problem, no one is flying the plane.
Wrong!
The voices, the voices were flying the plane.
Nah it's those remote controlled planes like the 727 crash documentary.
Haha
Another great video! I've binge-watched every video on the X Pilot channel... now I'm bummed because there's none left to watch! Keep up the great work :)
I gotta say I was expecting something different after the casual windshear mention early on and then "a pretty good headwind" towards the end
That meant that the aircraft had suffered a hard landing with the left gear touching down at a rate of 12.5 ft per second.
You can say that again
@@BryanMalloch That meant that the aircraft had suffered a hard landing with the left gear touching down at a rate of 12.5 ft per second. :) Bryan, your turn now! :)
@@asully3006 I'm still a little confused as the caption only specified it twice... did the aircraft suffer a hard landing with the left gear touching down at a rate of 12.5 ft per second?
The aircraft had suffered a hard landing with the left gear touching down at a rate of 12.5 ft per second.
What about the left gear touching down speed?
This is why I like your channel more than the others. Just good quality simulation and facts. No overdramatic music.
Eish. That thing was blackened more than my well-done steak at Denny’s yesterday. Oof, dude. Glad no one was injured too badly.
We need a video on the FedEx flight from Cast Away
That's actually not a bad idea for April Fool's day!
Yes, please.
WILSON!!!
FedEx now has all jets carry a pair of ice skates.
Did they ever recover the black box flight recorder? Or, is it still in Bikini bottom with Spongebob?
Good for FedEx for correcting their check flights, and making it easier for deficient pilots to correct their skills. Glad no one was injured seriously.
Captain: Keep it out of the grass
F/O: *nervous laughter*
The captain must have known that there was a very good chance he was going to end up in the grass by his speed and the way he lined up the aircraft. Just as if you were a driver but in the passenger seat you would be able to sense if the driver needed to slow down or wasn't going to make a turn etc. Why not guide a clearly nervous, jittery F/O than throwing him in the deep end and watching him sink?
SHE not he. The pilot let her fail because she was apparently a terrible pilot to begin with.
He was probably was expecting a better flare.
That was the critical issue it sounds like.
Even though the pilots were criticized for their less-than-stellar performance, their very survival may have well been dependent on their combined experience - which was a lot. On the other hand, they made rookie mistakes. I think I just canceled out my own comment.
But worth noting is the excellent video! Well done, sir. Well done.
@@jackshittle 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I hope they didn't get demoted or worse fired!
@Mike Watkins concur :)
@@jackshittle Ouch! lol
@@jackshittle lt's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether.
It wasn't a gear collapse. The plane had taken off from Liverpool the previous day and someone had nicked the wheels.
She was supposed to keep that thing outta grass...
I'll do my very best hahaha
That was a she. --- The first officer, age 44, was hired by FedEx on February 21, 1996, from Mesaba Airlines, where she had been employed as a DeHavilland DHC-8 captain. She holds an ATP certificate (issued March 21, 1991) with a multiengine land rating and a flight engineer certificate for turbojet-powered airplanes. The first officer's ATP certificate indicated type ratings in the DHC-8 (issued September 21, 1992), Fokker F-27 (issued November 11, 1995), and MD-11 (issued October 22, 1998). FedEx records indicated that the first officer completed initial MD-10 differences training on February 10, 2003. The first officer's most recent FAA first-class airman medical certificate was issued on July 25, 2003, with a restriction that the holder must wear corrective lenses.
Shut up wesley
gotcha, thanks @@SteveHolsten
@@SteveHolsten I think someone deleted their comment. The interaction between her and the Captain seemed strained at the least. Thank you for sharing her background, it makes her novice mistake even more perplexing to me.
aircraft might have not landed smoothly, but this video did.
Great vid as always, glad to see you in my notifications. :D
Great job of giving us the story to follow
Your channel is excellent.. thanks for doing it for us... 👍
I guess the first office failed that check ride.
she failed lots of checkrides, and had a real sour attitude as well
Great video. Fun to watch, I’m from Memphis.
Stunning visuals in this video! Kudos.
It's X.Pilot simulator.
That's some cool scenery. My X-Plane 11 has generic nothingness on the ground when I fly, I'm jealous lol
Another great video - you do the best ones of these on You tube.
AshtonArcher flightchannel’s videos are the best, in my opinion. Nonetheless, both are great!
@@terrell5145 I'm not too keen on those videos, he always puts dreadful music on them, plus you can always see his pointer/cursor controlling the airplane - very amateur!
The 120 page 18 Dec 2003 NTSB investigation/accident report for this accident is online in PDF form.
"....the airplane touched down extremely hard while still in a crab."
ebayerr Or just go to The Aviation Herald and read it all and then some.
When your in crab, it's hard not to set down hard on one set of wheels!!!
so glad u uploaded x
thank god a happy ending!!! thanks, x pilot!
I was not having the best day at work, till I watched this video...
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing
and any landing where they can reuse the plane again is a great landing. lol
I think they needed to run away from that landing.
Especially during that "time" of the month.
@@sparkyobrian1383 Thanks Sparky. i just spat my coffee over my keyboard:)
Nope. Some like this sucked balls big time.
I don’t know why I found this so funny! 😂
Another high fidelity recreation. Thx
Thank God nobody got killed
Incredible dramatic flight
Great video!!
A good landing is one everyone can walk away from... a great landing is when they can reuse the plane.
Outstanding animation and captions.
Looks so clear omg
i know, right.?!?!?!? i thought i was flying there for a second.....
That's windex for you!
Excellent, good video 👉👍
I like watching these videos rooting for a safe landing.
great work done
There must have been a lot of pissed off customers, waiting for their packages that week.
oh I was just thinking about all the critical shipments. Most companies only pay for air delivery when it's damn important.
Dude i missed ur contents so much :(
guys im a little confused...at what rate did the left gear touch down when the aircraft suffered a hard landing???
Left Landing Gear: 12' 6.0".
Right Landing Gear: 14' 6.0".
@@mynintendogamingfeed5208 No it was:
Left Landing Gear: 12' 6.0"
Right Landing Gear: 14' 6.0"
Left Landing Gear: 12' 6.0"
;)
@@ChadDidNothingWrong I heard and/or saw it correctly in the video. There were no typos in my reply to Mohammed Alharbi's question.
Amazing vid👍
I’m glad they were safe, but I was not expecting the fire at the end. It’s weird that they are addressing this by recognizing training deficiencies when the FO had 15,000 flight hours. I’m not so sure that’s a training issue as much as he was just not very adept. Very odd case. Thank you for this presentation. I love your channel!
15,000 flight hours is sega after burner
my favorite fact about this crash is a passenger on the plane tried to help with the evacuation but accidently detached the inflatable slide. the slide can be detached to be a makeshift water raft.
Good Video! 😁
Very nice video!
Very nice video
NICE VIDS I LOVE IT
The answer to wind shear is not more airspeed but keeping the engines spooked up and using spoilers to keep airspeed down.
I thought for sure there would be deaths, but thankfully, not this time. What a fantastic video (as usual), thank you for the upload!
another happy landing
Where's my parcel I've ordered for 2003 Christmas ?
Way to go rookie
if you look REALLY close at 6:05 you can see pilots
F/O: Gosh golly Cap! This thing sure does land funny!
The MD-11 has a modified airfoil design. The tail provides less lift / less drag requiring the MD-10 to have to come in at a higher speed similar to a fighter jet. There is also an optical problem which makes it harder for the pilot to tell where the nose is.
Put the Thumbs to the Up! This is amazing!
I'm very impressed!
As long as my package is ok I don’t care
it got burned up......
Colonel Sanders was flying the plane. He though everybody ordered their packages extra crispy.
@@aaronbays4 LOL :) What is the melting point of Al anyway??
I was thinking the same thing! 😂😂😂
I'm still waiting on a volley ball I ordered from Wilson. ;)
Had me on the edge of my seat ...
You should add some routine flights where nothing goes wrong as long an unexpected wild card
I remember seeing this on TV. I live 5 minutes from KMEM.
The excessive speed did not cause the landing gear failure, it was the yaw of the aircraft in addition to the right wing dropping at touchdown that caused the landing gear to collapse. Aircraft must take 500 fpm landing strikes by design, but this aircraft hit the runway somewhat sideways descending at 870 fpm. Given the weight of the aircraft, they are lucky to walk away. A 20-degree crosswind is not difficult to handle, given 16G22. The added speed probably saved their lives. I disagree about terminating people for making mistakes - they won't make that one again, but consistently below-average performance should be a red flag. The check pilot … smack him with a book of approach plates. What were you thinking? jmho.
We are survived!!
Not to state that they shouldn't have landed safely, but I wonder what forces the FO was working against when he/she said "Goodness", and why he/she proceeded to hard land when the decent was too rapid.
too embarrassed to abort landing and try it again.....
@@MrMustangMan Right. It really does seem that simple.
So the ntsb issued recommendations that airlines create programs for flight crew who struggled in trainings or have had training failures? The program i would recommend is unemployment...too dangerous of a job with others lives on the line to hire half ass pilots and crew. Imo
No one is born a pilot. Why throw away someone who is 85% of the way there instead of bringing him up to 100%?
@@XalphYT .....throw out the baby WITH the bathwater......
NTSB had to say something or they could of stated the obvious, you all screwed up. I honestly wondered if the captain didn't like the fact the F.O. was a female, he seemed to have an attitude.
@@XalphYT if they struggled then they weren't 85% of the way there. Would you go to a doctor who struggled in medical school? Some people are actually born more suited to be pilots, you know better eyesight, intellect,etc
Donald Salkovick Agreed. Some people are not cut out to be pilots, but was that true of the first officer here? Inexperience and incompetence are two very different things.
"Keep it out of the grass..."
*Foreshadowing intensifies*
Damn good video!!!
memphis again omg, i fly out of there all of the time
Avoid flights where the cabin crew use words like "goodness".
A common recurrence in these videos is dc 10s.
Death cruiser 10
The DC-10 has had 15 incidents. The 737 has had 78. The 737 flies more routes though.
All in all, the DC-10’s safety record is in line with everything else.
@@Leopold3131 the dc10 has 32 hull loss incidents alone. And over 50 total.
@@Leopold3131 thats 50 out of 386 aircraft built. There are over 10,000 737 so what does that say.
This is one rare video where I didn't understand a thing why what happened !! Lmao
So *_that's_* what happened to my last-minute Christmas presents....
I got mine, but it was crispy around the edges for some reason.
Chuck Noland was originally scheduled to take this flight...
Memphis is their main base. How can they be unfamiliar with it ? Was the First Officer a brand new FEDEX pilot ?
Ed Finlay I thought the same thing!
Mybe weather
Doesn’t mean that FO Is based in MEM. He could be based west coast and rarely see MEM. I’m based at one of our further bases in the system and almost rarely see my company home airport. Maybe once every two months will go there.
@@explorer326mpd She was based in Memphis. I had flown with her the previous month, RFO- relief pilot one leg KMEM-LFPG, never saw her fly, made lots of impressions on me, none good. Later learned other Captains worse experiences. She was fired, now dead from natural causes.
I remember seeing this plane in the grass at the airport when I got to the yard. It was still on fire. Did they explain why the 1st off. landed so hard? did he not look at his vert. speed?
didn't the captain say that if they were not stable by 1000 feet they would go around? If i heard the tape correctly, the altitude (by aircraft system) called 1000 feet, then the FO asked for gear down.. and the flaps were not fully configured either... that is an unstable approach. A go-around should have been called by the captain.
Geez, where were you on Dec 18, 2003 with that insightful information! FYI, the FAA may come after you for withholding information!! Run.... :-)
Intersection MACEE, not MAGEE (just saying) All looked good till touchdown; must have pounded it in pretty good and a bit of a shock in the departure into the grass..
So that's where my package went
Haha, no Cuban beauty Queen pics for you!
@@north-seascoundrel7328 damn
That plane looked like Two Face from Batman, comparing the burnt shell on the starboard side and the intact port side of the plane.
Awesome!!!!!
What’s the problem, some new skin, a few of those round rib thingies an old wing laying around, referb motor and bam, back in service. This is why my FedEx stuff is so expensive.
*And that Folks in short is how my Amazon **_next day delivery_** went awol !*
I can't even drive a car correctly sometimes - let alone contend with all that's involved with big Jets and modern aviation. That's why I chose to fly gliders and water aircraft.
Lindsey are you related to that Westhaven family that put their hired hand in chains then hacked him to death with an ax?
@@smug8567 OH HA HA - real funny you jack ass. NO, I am the one and only Westhaven in the USA. Sit on it and drill for brain matter, Toad!
@@faerieSAALE I've never even heard of those ppl.
Just be glad you aren't a Donner....every time you go to a restaurant:
"Donner party .....of 3 hehehe" I mean my God its been like 200 years.
You can't drive a car but you can fly a glider?
Right. Chances are, you cannot do any of those things, fly a glider or drive a car
a 767 amazon prime cargo plane crashed today just outside of houston
Random question but I’m assuming pilots are on this channel
Why can I use my cell phone (like cellular calling/texting) with certain airlines but not others ? I heard that the airplane mode is a bunch of bs and that unless it’s an old plane it most likely won’t interfere with anything. Is this true ? This might be a dumb question but why could people use sky phones but I can’t call on my cellphone? Also where did skyphones go?
It might, I repeat, it might effect the electronics on the aircraft. Some airlines just dont want to risk it. Sky phones were not wireless, therefore wouldn't affect the aircraft.
Robert Heinkel that’s a risk I’m willing to take if airlines are willing to take it
Fred Smith is FedEx and vice versa. Nobody messes with Fred.
Instead of saying “keep it outta the grass.” He should’ve said TOGA
What addons man ? Sky, clouds, shaders, plane etc ? Nice atmospheric scattering effect.
The humans made errors but still lives.
Parts of the plane are exploding and flying thru the air and almost hitting spectators outside of the fence? @ 10:56 ... Wow
I think those were the crew's belongings being tossed from the open door or cockpit window to people on the ground.
Anybody fired after this landing or lose their license?
Cockpit sound
Simp!y amazing
Is this an fs2004 or p3d (Because the engine of the DC 10 were touched ground like fsx airplane movement)?
Reading the captain's comments he seems to have a serious attitude problem........
Njugglesvatn he went supersonic. FedEx still flies that plane. I worked on it a couple years ago.
more like an altitude problem...
I have a feeling he knows the copilot was marginal and that was where some of his comments were coming from. He should have took over before they went in the grass or smacked the runway.
@@zzrsteve7934 She filed a grievance against the last Captain that took over a landing to save the aircraft on a previous flight. That's why this guy was told to let her land it. So he did what he was ordered to do. All kinds of PC stink surrounding this fight crew and loss of aircraft.
@@maxlever9196 Wow, that totally explains things!. I take my original post back and see now what the captain was doing and I can't blame him.......
Call me skeptical but I just feel these "women can do everything a man can" days are going to end in disaster.......
FedX can stay as my local mail delivery
Video starts at 7:30
Watching the landing: “Oh it doesn’t look that bad..........”. Shows real picture of plane: “ Oh God, Oh God, Oh God. It’s on fire!”
I don't it did catch fire. Just a poor choice of stock footage of some other FedEx plane on fire.
"Gain and loss of 10?"
I've never heard this ATC phrasing before; what does it mean?
That means the steady-state when is interrupted by between 5 and 10 knots of wind unexpectedly. This is a problem for heavy aircraft in that they have inertia so the gain or loss is real as opposed to a light aircraft which would simply transition to the new parcel of air envelope. But the captain stating four knots it's just another way that he has been harassing her for three hours with. He's being a smart alec . The proper airspeed pad is all of the steady-state plus half of the gust wind . Keep it out of the grass. Right
Wind shear effect ... airspeed gain or loss of ten knots.
I knew a Fedex pilot, his route was L.A. to Sydney to Aukland and then back to L.A..