Best Enclosed Pistol Optic? 3, 6, Circle Dot - SIG Sauer Romeo X Enclosed Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 มิ.ย. 2024
- Last year when SIG Sauer released their Romeo X optic - it was a significant optic - just late to the market as power users had started moving toward enclosed emitter optics - now, in 2024 the Romeo X is now available as an enclosed emitter optic on the Deltapoint Pro or RMS footprint.
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I wish the manufacturers would get together and adopt a single universal foot print.
I said the same thing.. I like the 509T rail.. and wish everyone would use it. But there are a few standards that are well establshed.. RMSC, RMR, DPP, and Doctor. Nearly everything fits into these 4 standards. So it's not too bad.
Have one as well - it's impressive so far
I like it because it will make the EPS become cheaper due to competition. :)
From the consumer standpoint of making an optic purchase one time and then assuming it will be worthwhile for a few years, this is pretty irritating. My Wife now has an inferior optic for her ROSE and no one will want it second hand.
I hope they do an upgrade program of some kind. What do you think of this rapid product expansion? Are consumers being taken for a ride?
Gotta do some research, this was coming for a while, optics hold some value probably won’t get what you paid for out of it but take what you can towards a new optic. I was waiting for this for a long time and now at the price point I think I’ll have to go for the eps or scs320 I can’t spend 700 on a pistol optic
@@Ajibica117 So they should choose to stop developing products just so you will have a way to sell yours on a secondary market. lol. that's hilarious. No one forced you to buy it... Also, having an 'inferior' unit is not the same as having an 'inadequate' unit.. She was fine with it when you bought it.. She's fine with it now. Just keep using it
Never stop the dad energy 😊
I have the Romeo 5 on my AR and it has hit every door jam, washer/dryer, door, fence, trees, been dropped uphill and downhill and never has it stopped working or broke. They make some tough optics, that's for sure !!!!!!
I am not gun shopping right now, but I always need a Dad Joke, so here I am!
Honestly very excited for all the DPP footprint options coming out. Seems like itll be great to direct mount to a staccato or work on the narrower slides that are becomming more common these days
You seem to get some of the best videos out first. Keep up the great work.
I love my Romeo x on my p365x macro and staccato c. Direct mount is the best way! Forget plates!
A good side effect of more DPP dots is the Leupold MarkAR mount with the piggyback red dot mount is now the easiest and cheapest way to get an LVPO + RDS on an AR.
The DPP footprint is also used for the Romeo 2 Pro, which we've adopted for issue with the P320 XCarry's the ADF is buying here down under. If overall size isn't a concern the DPP footprint gives you plenty of space to mount larger optics.
Great job on this video!
I'd love to see a head-to-Head comparison between the Multi-dot Compact version against the Holosun EPS Carry MRS Green; which has been my favorite and Go-To pistol optic.
Yup, it finally happened. Found my go to pistol optic. Glad I held off on getting a RCR. The glass quality is night and day for my eyes and SIG higher end optics have been just as durable and reliable.
Perfect timing, I can return my Romeo x pro and order one of these
Went to Sig's website to check out the specs and they were throwing up half screen ads on my phone for the old romeo x (buy now!), while im looking at the "comming soon" enclosed romeo x
I'm impressed, I bought one and will be getting another one.
Your video was one of the reasons I went for the Romeo X Pro for my M18. Driving a nail with it and it held zero? Sold! Just didn't like the price. Bass Pro had a sale, and I had $80 in Bass Pro points, so I got it for right around $300. Conclusion? I love the thing. Works great on my M18, and I still have BUIS. Haven't ever had an issue with open emitter optics so I'm fine with that. Have a Cyelee Shark X Pro on my X Carry P320, and it holds its own with the Romeo, but is much larger. Still, happy with my purchase of a Romeo X Pro, and might pick up an enclosed one one day when there is a sale or something. I'm not gonna drive any nails with them, however...
Steve Wright "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate". Need this in the compact RSMc
They have it for the Shield RMSc footprint. It's the one without the 'Pro' moniker. The 'Pro' is throwing everyone off because it's not 'Pro' as in top of the line, but 'Pro' as in Delta Point 'Pro'.
I was looking at getting an RMR HD but honestly this is looking like a better bet to me 👀🔥
I think the DPP (Sig) footprint has already had more options in terms of versatility. It would make sense for the DPP to become the standard, because the RMSc micro optics uses the same screw pattern. This makes for very low profile mounting plates, when needed.
Holosun SCS320 is also on the DPP foot print
I'm hoping they make a green dot version one day. I'm getting the fully loaded Fuse with this RDS so I can't complain too much but it would have been perfect for me.
Meprolight has come out with two enclosed pistol optics that appear to have similar specifications. Two versions… on for slim pistols, and one for standard size pistols. I would be very interested to see your reviews of those optics. I think you do a very thorough job. Appreciate all you do
Are they truly RMS footprint? The image on the site is clearly ACRO
We can only hope that the Romeo X enclosed is as “bulletproof” sturdy and reliable as the open emitter has proven to be. There’s very few channels that will do a hardcore torcher test on these expensive red dots. Actually your channel was only one of two that I saw
Still waiting on the RMSc enclosed with ACSS Vulcan reticle, make it and we will buy it.
I use a torx bit for adjusting the site works great
He said hex in the video, but is looked like a Torx. Thanks!
Curious what your carry gun is these days? Also, when you do the comparison video with the EPS, could you add the SCS 320 into the mix?
My biggest thing with the old romeo-x vs EPS was the EPS just had more of what I was looking for. Big dot option, clear glass, lowest deck height apart from the X, very good glass, being enclosed is a (very) nice feature to have, and can be found regularly for sub $350. The X did a lot of those things and a few things better, but at $400+. So now that the new Sig X is checking those same boxes or is better but at the cost (pun) of more $$$, I will be keeping an eye on them for sure.
Side note: According to Sigs site, the objective window size is the same on both the compact and the pro versions (or am I just going crazy?).
Everyone tries to copy Holosun’s features but not their price. At those prices I’ll just keep buying and running the eps and eps carry which run beautifully.
I love my EPS and EPS Carry, but if I can get a better quality emitter, clearer glass, with the same footprint, and not have it be made by China, I will. I didn't care much about China until they went all in with RU, NK, and Syria...but I'm happy to pay 25-30% more to avoid them when possible.
Who said sig optics aren't made in China lol....
@@GunInsightsyou pay taxes to pedophiles, yet you’re concern trolling over sending $300 to some Chinaman?
Yeah slave labor in China
Yeah, Holosun's prices are what they are because they are made in China - meaning they are built on the backs of human suffering and slave labor. Lots of items, (your phone, your TV, your car) you don't get a vote on where it is made. Red dots, you get a choice. If I get to choose, I don't have a problem spending an extra $60-80 to not have something like that on my hip every day. If your morals and standards can be purchased for less than $100, you do you, amigo.
How about a review of the Meprolight MPO Pro-S 3/33 MOA closed Pistol sight??? I'm really curious on they hold up. Thanks
I really wanted to like the Sig, I had recently purchased a new Sig P320 RX with the new Romeo X. With only about 200 rounds on the gun one visit to the range my dot just simply vanished while shooting. Putting the gun down and loading another mag, the rod reappeared in the glass.
Try changing the battery if that doesn't work contact sigs support.
I gouged up the battery cap because I couldn't find a flat head screwdriver thick enough to get it off (quarter works of anyone else is wondering) contacted sig they sent out a new cap, a little tool kit and offered a discount on a future purchase.
The goodies they sent me i had 3 days after I contacted them so their turn around time is super fast.
And while we're on it, I've had zero issues with functionality of my RomeoX compact, has been solid.
I have an astigmatism and my sig romeo 5 red dot looks great compared to my holosun green dot. You think the dot size has something to do with that. I like this new sig I'm tempted to try in red.
and if it comes in FDE, that would be AWESOME!
Damn, I just bought the old Romeo x and slide combo for the 365 lol
Seems good.
I was bracing for bad news on the price, but all variants are less than an Acro, so it's actually quite palatable.
Check out the Holosun SCS 320. DPP footprint. Solar recharging battery. Single button operation.
My Sig Romeo-X Compact has been running great since September 2023. The big issue is being able to reach the glass to clean the lint, etc. and the fact that Sig doesn’t sell mounting screws to fit Glock or S&W pistols. Seriously Sig? The lens is very clear with no distortion or fish eye effect.
With discounts you can pick up a eps 6 moa for around 320.
I'm very interested in this.
Don't be fooled like most people are. They have two variants of this. The 'regular' one (Shield RMSc) and then this one, the 'Pro' variant. The 'Pro' in this doesn't make it 'better' it is only a reference to the footprint it uses (DPP). I had to look it up on their website to find out myself.
Serious question: After watching this video I got one of those "How did you like this video" surveys on my TH-cam home page. You know, the ones with the star ranking and follow up question. Do those help you in any way, or are they just for TH-cam's internal use?
Holosun lost me with that proprietary K footprint.
They should have used the standard RMSC footprint.
they couldn't use the RMSc footprint because they wanted the battery compartment to be water resistant.
When they make tan color version, I'll buy one.
Moving to the SCS EPS
At that price... I'd trust the MPS or spend a bit more for a acro. but I know I'm one of the few who would prefer the mailbox dots.
MPs is a superior dot to the acro
Oh cool. I was going to buy the original RomeoX anyway as soon as I lowered by debt more...so now I can try this one out instead once that happens lol
I like this optic but I'm still leaning towards the Holosun SCS Carry. What is the better choice in your opinion?
I love my compact. It’s annoying that they ain’t do it from the get go. Too bad there’s no diy way to do it
Are you going to put it on your PX4 Compact?
What in the blue man group is that glass?
I’m getting one
Why does the enclosed version not have the rear fiber optics? I was going to replace my 507 on my OG XL without a rear sight, but I wanted a closed emitter with backup sights.
so wait, you can't switch between reticles like on the standard Romeo-X?
I just recently got the previous Romeo X pro too...
Is it worth it to get the enclosed for extra?
2:16 except for the built in site on the rear deck... 😥
If it is a little shorter than the Trijicon RCR it should sell pretty well being 100-200 less.
I picked up the RX-compact when it released and it's been my favorite carry optic every since. I have a gen 2 slide on my 365, so mounting the optic removed my rear irons. No problem though, because the RX-compact has a nice set of green fiber rear "irons" built in that co-witness perfectly with the front iron on the 365 slide. I was excited about this enclosed version, until I saw in the first few seconds of your video that they ditched the rear "irons" and it's just a flat plane. I don't understand this downgrade.
This 100% I don’t get it…
Well I do… they want to drive you to buy a new slide
Im still waiting for the 365 to come with an ambi slide stop/release. Its 2024.
The glass scratches super easy on my X’s
Weird - mine haven’t had issues
When will this be available as a package with the P365X?
I would love it but come on Sig that price is crazy!
Dammit! I just got a Romeo X Compact for my 365 Legion…🤦♂️
So cool
Idk if you have already but im curious about the MEPRO MPO PRO-S as an alternative
Would you consider reviewing it?
Looking at the website they say it's RMSC footprint - but the image of the optic is clearly an acro footprint - I'm trying to be done with the acro footprint.
Do you have a review on the Kimber KDS9c? If not, what is your take on it?
The old one yes - the rail one not yet
@@TheHumbleMarksman Thx for answering. I just watched the video on the old one.
DPP footprint is superior than the RMR footprint. The RMR footprint is only around cause for the longest time the RMR was the only durable sight on handguns, which isn't the case now. DPP footprint is basically a longer RMSC cut
DPP footprint also works on slimmer slides since the screw holes aren't as wide as the RMR footprint holes.
Not to mention the screws are set farther back so it’s easier to fit another pane of glass to close the optic.
Look at the engineering gymnastics that Trijicon had to do to make the RCR use the same RMR footprint.
VHS vs Betamax. The best one doesn’t always win.
@@3of11 HD DVD vs Blu Ray too.
Sig Marketing people must be in cahoots with the Holosun. They figured out a way to allow Holosun to continue to sell their wares while Sig focuses on selling this optic at the higher price point. Sig could have lowered their price to capture more market share and force Holosun to lower their price. In the end they only see us as consumers and look for ways to extract the most money from us.
6:24 current pricing on SIG is $630 for the Compact and $690 for the Pro... ouch.
$479 for the regular dot ones
When does this come out?
Buuuut, how does it compare to the open emitter Romeo X??
Trying to decide if it is worth the the effort to change from the Romeo X to the closed emitter Romeo X??
Cheers, Tony
Would you recommend a 3 MOA over the 6 MOA for EDC ?
Personally - yes - some people’s eyes do better with 3
Has anyone mounted the Romeo x Pro on a X5 legion?
Sig specs and buys very high end emitters. You do get what you pay for typically with Sig red dots, especially their higher end ones.
I believe it. Going from an MRO Patrol to a Romeo 4T was a massive improvement with glass and dot quality.
Bless your heart; you have to get a qtip!
Annoying when you are traveling and need them and don’t have them
Like for the like God, comments for the comment throne!
To be totally honest, this sight just makes the Holosun options look more appealing. If I'm going to spend more than that, I'm sorry but I'd rather spring for an ACRO which honestly isn't much more than this Sig option.
Never in a million years would I buy an sig optic. I had one that I got on my new 226 legion and it would turn off after three rounds and not work again . Sent it to Sig and they told me it was fine. Tried it again. Same problem. Replaced it with another brand and I have a dot every time I go to the range. Thanks to sig I had to buy two to get that one that works. I am convinced they are both made in china but the one I replaced the sig dot with works every time.
Romeo 1 was Chinese Romeo 1 pro was Japanese
I would be good either way if the customer support was there. Sig did nothing to resolve the problem. Not to be a hater but people should know.
Great content, great channel! SIG could have and should have released the enclosed emitter sight along side the single glass open emitter red dot. It’s just shameful in my opinion that SIG customers just spent upwards of $400 for the best red dot sight on the market -in a compact sight anyway, and now have to choke up almost another $500 for the sight most shooters would have bought to begin with. Thanks for the marketing manipulation SIG. There’s lots of SIG products that I would have liked to spend my money on besides a “better” second sight for the same gun. I’ll just wait the next time..
So the story there wasn't intentionality - they started with the Romeo X as being enclosed - got called up by the military to develop the Romeo M17 - so the romeo X had to be redesigned from what they learned on the M17 project. At the time the M17 and RX went live - they were in the throes of redesigning the enclosed version. At the time - they had one robotic line so the more ready for prime time RX got the green light. Now - they have expanded their optics operation and have more capacity and the RXE is now a thing.
Sig's website shows a significantly higher MSRP than what you listed...
because I quoted the MAP I was told - Sig shows the MSRP. MAP will be the eventual sell price
Is anyone having issues with scratches on the glass or moisture inside the glass?
these just came out - it's tough to say - I ordered a holster for this gun to start carrying it - but my RM17 and R2 hasn't had that issue at all.
The Pro is listed on their site at $690 which is nuts. I’m hoping it’s just the meme because “lol 69” but what justification could they possibly have for that price tag?
We all know it doesn’t cost that much to make since the ACRO and RCR are both cheaper and made in western countries, and it’s not a gov contract thing since the Romeo M17 is for Uncle Sam.
Seriously why haven’t they released this enclosed version last year!
Sig still playing catch up to Holosun. I will stick with my Holosun EPS and EPS carry.
No - this isn’t catch up - this is superior
Biggest gripe is price and no rear sight notch compared to the EPS carry
That price though! 😢If Vortex made an enclosed emitter I'd buy that, unfortunately I'll have to wait! Great video 📹 ❤
I don’t really care for enclosed emitters just because I don’t like how bulky they look but this one’s not that bad.
" It has beautifully clear glass."
Shows the most smudged, linty glass I've ever seen.😂
Cool.. Now maybe the EPS will be cheaper. lol. Competition is good.. I won't be buying another Sig though.. I have three Romeo1's and two of them eat batteries in a week, even when they are turned off.
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ I held off on the regular one because I wanted an enclosed optic, until LAST MONTH when I found it on a wild sale (I wonder why 🙃). Sure I like the Romeo x compact OE but I would’ve preferred the enclosed sucker.
same. I'm wondering hows the co-whitness with standard sights seeing that this model does not have the notch on the back. If so i will give this open one to my wife lol.
@@nutt1621 looks to me like they just leveled where the previous model’s irons were. Probably cowrites well enough
@@SolFireYT Yea thats what i was thinking after looking at it a bit more.
But it doesn't do just the circle like the Holosun does. Does it?
The circle dot one does
@@TheHumbleMarksman Also, I looked it up and they have the exact same thing without the PRO moniker because the PRO doesn't mean PRO, it meant for Delta Pro footprint. The 'regular' one is for Shield RMSC from what I can tell on their website.
i think there's better options for the price point, gun, and dot!
The DPP is a better footprint. RMR is good but not as great. The rmr is only as popular as it is because it was the only good option for a period of time.
Hard to buy American seeing that sigs price makes it ez to not. Sig, aimpoint etc I'll just stick with holosun 😊 imo holosun is the good enuf optic brand. Now if u had the 226 x5 legion with these new dots that wud be a nice $3000 package 😅
Update: the clearer glass and lower profile has me very intrigued. So i probably will get one for my 365 axg legion 💯
This mildly pisses me off as I had purchased the ROSE variant for my wife. Now sig is releasing an objectively better product.
I think they should do a refit program and either convert/upgrade or replace Romeo X optics purchased before they released this.
Agreed. This is just BS but Id have to see this new one mounted on a p365X myself due to the fact they removed the "irons" from the base like the original Romeo X compact. Need to see if they still get that lower 3rd co-whitness. with standard height sights.
its a T6 torx screw. EXTREAMLY common tool is all you need.
But they got rid of the built in rear sight.
$629.99 for the Compact and $689.99 for the Pro.
Yeah this is why I’m gonna have to keep buying Holosun
6 moa? That's the size of a barn door!
Oops! You just answered my question.
I don’t like the fat battery compartment lid sticking out on the side.
That's the trade off to get such a low mount lower 1/3 co-whitness with standard height sights. Honestly it looks bigger on camera than in person and it disappears after you've had for a month. It doesn't print any more or less for CC.
Okay, where is it made?
Assembled in USA - parts from same NATI friendly supply chain
@@TheHumbleMarksmanso no China? GOOD!
DPP is milspec, we'll see more MRDS come in that foot print. Nothing wrong with RMR but they lost the foot print war.