This Is The Man To Worry About | WoW's Next Expansion?
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We should be wary of Turalyon. Not just because of whispers and portents, but because we've found some semblance of peace, and now a man with 1000 years of war behind him is in charge.
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So... Garrosh 2.0 confirmed?
Imagine, if the void is seeing an infinite amout of truths, the light may be just a faithful void, that found the perfect future for itself, which it pursues, hence its dogmatic nature and when it fails, it returns to the void in its desperation, completing the cycle. Somehow like a Naaru, that becomes a void creature when all the light, all its "faith" is gone... we have several quotes on faith, don't we? Kil'jaeden? Illidan? I believe there is an il'gynoth whisper refering to the circle of light and void as well... crown of light will bring only darkness... hmmmm?
It may be the same for order and chaos as well... as it is for life and death ofc. I believe all of the known cosmic forces "function" like that.
It just may be in their nature.
@Vryn Thorn Sylvanas cannot be counted as 2.0 in my opinion. She wasn't faction leader anymore, we didn't fight her in the faction capital city and so I have to disagree. But this is just nit-picking, what about my theory? 😭
@Vryn Thorn But she came after us again, stronger than ever! Hold on... WoD Flashback.jpg... okay fine!
Are you ignoring the rest on purpose? (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
This athiest "there is no good/evil there is only grey" is the NUMBER ONE reason why WoW is dying off. The moment players saw Anduin cut down a Kyrian "angel" they left. Get woke, go broke. And as this "grey" storyline continues, WoW will keep dying slowly. Theres a reason Legion brought WoW back from the dead.
@@ContemporaryCompendium Someone who feels how I do... Let Blizzard dream up their stories while we let our Blizzard dream die and put it to rest...
"Inter-dimensional chandeliers" is the best Naaru description I've heard yet.
Bro if you search illidan vs chandeliers.. either on google or youtube haha. Its officially there new name
Indeed it is
I have always called them atomic snowflakes.
@@drippingwax I used to refer to them as loud lamps.
@@krowa02 Shiny wind chimes?
Just a reminder: Illidan stopped this guy with his bare hands.
Hand.............singular!
Sure but he's also off having tea with Sargeras.
This is the way.
I wait for Lord Illidan's return.
@@gscgold Maybe he returns and turn his metaphorical eyes to the Light as his next target to stop their rampaging destruction.
Illidan had his golden eyes burned out, killed Xe'ra....
Yeah, a great opposite of Turalyon.
One who had their touch of the light removed, and the other who has soaked in it for thousands of years.
The fact that it’s possible the Alliance will FINALLY potentially wear the bad guy hat in terms of our factions makes me the most excited
This storyline would be amazing, I just don't think the devs / writers have the vision, creativity, motivation or balls to do it.
Honestly, it sounds rather logical, that Tyralion wages another war an has the support of the Alliance.
But honestly: After having sort of a cooperation between Horde/Alliance all the time in form of Jaina, Thrall and others working together to kill off cosmic dangers, it would just be lazy af to get another "Horde vs. Alliance"-Expansion. I'd rather have some "100 years have passed, when you were in the Shadowlands and Azeroth is not the same anymore"-Expansion. We need a fresh start.
Well horde and alliance leaders do work togheter but in the lore soldiers and people of both faction fought and hate each other
I'm all for this, honestly getting kind of tired of all these "Light" people becoming villains suddenly or dying off. Leave a few of them stick to their guns as well as some Void people so we have some balance to fall back on and use as role-models like "at least they're still standing strong". WoW needs a good reset as well so this idea is just much more interesting to me.
yeah they said time doesnt flow like that so there wont be a time skip. They could always change their mind tho, lore gets retconed everytime anyways
It does not ... I have to repeat my self how many Aliance cities have to destroyed to push the plot forward ... Demolishing the old lore
It would go in line with what Blizzard's been doing recently, honestly BFA showed how little they care about a Horde VS Alliance war and just do it because they want people to resub.
Been saying even slightly before Shadowlands. Light-themed expansion with Yrel, Turalyon and the Scarlet Crusade on one side, and Calia Menethil, Velen and Anduin on the other side, as Calia and Anduin are technically "death-based Light-wielders", as the domination of Anduin, just like you said, leaves some marks, meaning Turalyon won't hand over the throne due to him being tainted by death. It does seem a lot more intriguing than the crap we have currently in Shadowlands.
If anything it seems like whatever is happening with Shadowlands is just a lift off to set up something like this, the way WoD was basically a stepping stone to introduce Legion.
Sounds like BFA with more flashy flashy
I fully don't trust the story writing team to not absolutly shit the bed trying to tell this story.
This is more complex then the "my immortal" level shit show we've got now.
@@howardhavardramberg7160 everyone said that about BFA
I was hoping for some sort of time skip from being in the shadowlands, (as time doesn't matter there) where a lot of things have... changed.
Excited to see how the story evolves... from a distance through TH-cam cinematics and lore recaps.
Couldn't agree more
Lol right
100% agree
Exactly how I watch FF14 cinematics.
Assemble wow quiters! Tbh I am still vurious where they lead the story. But csnt be bothered to play the game. So youtube it is
I feel like Turalyon's love for his wife and son would prevent him from siding with Yrel if she wanted to kill Alleria.. If he was ok with the Light killing his wife he would have let X'era do it. I feel like we'd come back from shadowlands to Turalyon and Khadgar leading a resistance in a losing battle against the Army of the Light.
This Is what a problematic parte of the fandom needs to know. X'era did not brainwash and mind control Turalyon and Lothraxion, otherwise Alleria would have been dead. Yet, the two paladins stood against X'era's order and X'era, as She Is not the cruel tyrant Illidan's fandom thinks She Is, accepts It and decides to Just lock Alleria. If She was half the cruelty they think It Is, Alleria, Turalyon and Lothraxion would have been burned to crisp on the shot.
@@federerlkonig330 Turalyon also expressed regret after the cinematic attacking Illidan saying she went too far which gets ignored, as well as the fact that Sylvanas nuked Teldrassil which put her back on the same footing as the old Horde he fought so his anger was understandable. The key part that is missing is the vision of N'zoth where Alleria turned and took Arator in the Void - I think this might actually happen and kill the last of Turalyon's hesitation to make him into the zealot needed to drive that plot.
I think Turalyon will be depicted as a deeply struggled individual. He was never a monodimensional extremist but there's no doubt that joining Yrel's project may be tempting for sure. He would probably side with her for a good chunk of the story, only to falter eventually and turn his back on the Army of the Light.
It would probably be the lever to make him realise he has gone too far and to listen to Velen but I imagine Yrel is savvy enough to not demand Alleria be killed, but to be sidelined...for the moment of course...all the while either trying to find out if she can be converted *easy way* or killed (the Blood Elves have murdered your wife! You must wage war against the apostates of Silvermoon!). But I could easily see him as the final boss of a Siege of Stormwind raid, when the Horde and the Alliance (the one led by Anduin) come to take the city back.
If it went something like this though...
Alternate Draenor X'era/Naaru "Have no fear Turalyon, for together, we can save your beloved Alleria. With the power of the Crown of the Triumvirate and my own combined, I would purge her of the Voids corruption and bring her back to the side of the righteous."
Turalyon would probably beg for the chance of Joining up...
Bellular is the only person that makes the lore in WoW cool and actually make sense to me.
Then you log into the game and remember that is actually crap...
Until you realise the best parts are what he made up or expanded upon (typo)
@@rodrigobogado8756 Sadly this is always what is happening after a video triggert me enough to resub...
Nobbel: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?!
try accolonn
Seeing Turalyon in the throne room really brings out those PS1 lions.
PS2.
@@Qaosbringer What's this in reference to?
I think this is a ff14 post moment
Whats a PS1 Lion?
@@einsiedler6052 I had a PS1 and have no clue what they are referring to
Idk about Turalyon being a villain. He's an old school war torn vet who believes in his faith. He's not fond of undead but Faol proved he can come around and not only that, his wife is one wrong move away from turning into a prophetic murdering madwoman and he's well aware that's a possibility. The worst he could do as come to an agreement with Yrel and get Pikachu face when she starts enslaving everyone with the light. There's a lot that could happen like them marching on the Sunwell to claim it, or burning down temples of Elune and hunting loa and wild gods to establish the Light as the only faith. I know people might see that as lame since they did the exact same thing to Sylvanas, but the difference is she was established as this super cunning ranger who's always 12 steps ahead so the hate for her sudden "how could this happen?" Is justified. People like Turalyon are a lot easier to sway.
I would love if this was even remotely close to whats going to happen. Seeing Turalyon as a lightforged warmonger with Yrel AND the friggin scarlet crusade at his side would be sooooo cool :D
I would love to join that faction!
This genuinely sounds incredible but zero faith that Blizzard could pull it off and do it right to any degree.
@Richerd Hedd Shadowlands was planned since before Legion
@Richerd Hedd Most expansions were planned way before they released... And Blizzard has dropped the ball for like 4 years now? Cringe.
@Richerd Hedd it doesn’t matter about the lore. It is Blizzard’s lack of ability to do it justice. How long was N’Zoth planned and/or hinted at throughout the lore? That major character got one patch.
Certainly not with Steve Danuser in charge. He would just make ALL Light- wielders evil, and have Sylvanas be our savior again.
@Richerd Hedd Legion was the end of the old writing team's work. Everything since then has been planned "since" Legion but is not on the same level AS Legion.
Blizz plans the whole narrative years in advance, that hasn't stopped them from making it shit regularly, since all the way back in Cata. The only expansion where it seems like the narrative did exactly what it set out to do and succeeded was Pandaria.
I wish blizz just copies crazy speculations of wow community, i dont think anyone would even be disappointed vs what we keep on getting
Yeah because Thanos on crack is a "disappointment." /sarcasm
Zovaal literally wants to remake reality into his eternal slaves. That's pretty fucking terrifying and badass. It's basically the plot of Naruto's War Arc, but amped up times a million.
Just wait until 9.2. This story is going to get fucking insane, and then people will hopefully learn to recognize good plot, when it ounces them in the face. Shadowlands has been amazing. Before this expansion, we knew virtually nothing of how the Shadowlands worked. Now that you know, and you know Death itself is trying to REMAKE ALL OF EXISTENCE, you can't sit there and cry "bad storytelling." The premise alone is metal af.
Than by Patch 8.1 Zovaal would be backstabbed by the released Sire Denathrius.
@@monkeysk8er33 The premise is moronic. An entity no one has ever heard of before has a plan that no one understands and he’s thrown into the story at the last minute with zero buildup. Oh, and he’s ACTUALLY the main villain of every negative thing that has ever happened in the lore ever.
@@monkeysk8er33 are you joking?????
@@monkeysk8er33 a cool premise doesn't = good storytelling. The expansion is 1 year old old we still don't know what the fuck is even going on really. I see you shilling constantly, if youre enjoying the expansion that's fine but stop acting like those who aren't (50% of the player base apparently) are at fault for not seeing something.
The Scarlets and Turalyon have lots of things in common. The most prominent ones are fanaticism and being under a Dreadlord's thumb. Great combination.
The scarlet crusade is coming back. They have several scarlet refugees in legion Dal. Never said why.
The funny thing is that Turalyon is anything but a fanatic.Alleria is literally wielding the void and he doesn t care at all.Besides turning him into a villain would be one of the worst moves ever.He s one of the few good characters left that isn t just " peace good violence always bad ".
This expansion idea is so obvious given the pieces they themselves laid that if they don't actually tie it all together then the incompetence of their writing team is truly boundless. I mean we even get two villains in Turalyon and Yrel whom we can interact with an understand, not some thwarted God.
Ah, yes. Because the Alliance hasn’t been shit on enough by having their people genocided and their cities destroyed, now they need to experience the story the Horde players hated and forced to live through being villains. Even though literally the only reason people still have to play Alliance is to be heroes. But let’s ruin that, because “fuck the Alliance” is the rallying cry of the devs, and we need an excuse to kill their war heroes, right?
@@Skyblade12 someone needs a waaahmbulance. Stop whining.
hold up. Greymane said "I need to focus on doing whatever I can to find Anduin and the others."
but like.... he hasn't had a single appearance during the entirety of shadowlands so far... what?
They found they got taken to the Shadowlands, and Greymane didn't go in because someone had to stay put and hold the Alliance together.
The characters in SL seem to suffer some sort of short-time-amnesia... well some of them, at least.
It’s because us as the players and everyone else in the Shadowlands are disconnected from Azeroth atm. For all we know, 10 years could have passed by the end of shadowlands
@@Mboyd203 that would fit into blizzard story writing, just kill off characters in that time and use that as reason for the plot ...
Greymane was already setup multiple times as pretty un-able
"Anduin and Sylvanas basically collaborating"
It seems pretty clear to me the Scarlet Brotherhood is trying to imply those two are doing far more than collaborating.
The new expansion would also require "new turf", and maybe that could be a phased Lordaeron where Turalyon's Army of the Light + Scarlet Allies have managed to reclaim Lordaeron and bathe it in Light. Could be the new and updated leveling zones. But Stormwind would most certainly also be in Turalyon's hands, which would leave Ironforge in an awkward spot. Perhaps that could be a major frontline for Alliance players.
And an updated Dungeon or Raid on the Sunwell. A pool bathed in Light energy seems like something they would want for themselves.
I hate this revision of the Light in WoW lore. Reducing it to another tool that one can use to further their ends in the Warcraft universe clashes too much with how the Light worked in Warcraft 2, 3, Classic, and most of WoW where it could be used through force of will but is most effective when called upon in a show of pure faith.
One reason I fell in love with Warcraft is Arthas and his struggle between following the ideals given to him as a Paladin which is represented in the Light or his hatred of undeath magic which is ultimately the path he follows that leads him to losing his soul. But if the Light isn't this beautiful thing that is good and holy, then it makes the story of Arthas far lamer.
Also it feels contrived to paint Turalyon as a villain when much of the Horde just fell in line to serve Sylvanas, a leader who killed her own people to stop the spread of hope amongst them, descrated Teldrassil and blew up Lordaeron city, when Turalyon is a descendant of the Lordaeron nobility HIMSELF. And he's going to be okay with the Blood Elf Paladins who have not rebelled against Sylvanas?
If we get a lame ass cop-out ending where the Jailer loses in an epic anticlimax to the heroes of Azeroth and Turalyon is the new villain of next expac, he'll become the new Garrosh. I'm calling it now. People are going to flock to white-knight and be white-knights for the closest character Warcraft has to a Warhammer 40K Space Marine.
Agreed homie.
I already struggle to see how I'm going to care about anything after how badly they've butchered the lore thus far. If they want to pull a "then the light turned evil' crap with an Alliance hero, there's no chance in hell I'm coming back.
Here is a comment that I think will help understand, written by lorzon in Rejection of the Gift.
It's important to recognize what happened here:
Xera was a creature of pure Light. She literally cannot comprehend the mindsets or decisions of other forms of life. When Illidan destroys her, the Light fades from Turalyon's eyes and with the compulsion that Xera had used to control him. In it's way, the Light is like The Fel, in it's pure form, you either do what it says or it will kill you. Pure Order is just as dangerous as Pure Chaos.
The thing is Turalyon has been in direct contact with the Light-the Naaru when Arthas has not, he has belief in the Light that will help him, guide him but he was not under the influence of a Naaru to make him go "extremist".
@@captainflowers748 Yeah uh, that's exactly why I hate this interpretation of the Light. It has the potential to be as evil as the Void, it's akin more to Yin and Yang rather than good vs evil.
And I'd even blame the devs of Classic wow for beginning this new interpretation of the Light, where the Scarlet Crusade could wield it when they were sold as evil.
Any amount of speculation is 100x better than Blizzard writing.
Exactly
Mhm
In all fairness, the Battle for Stromgarde began not long after Teldrassil and Lordaeron; both instances where we see the Horde as its very worst.
It makes sense for Turalyon to be angry and outraged at his enemy during that time, especially when they're lead by someone to professes to be in the same faith he is.
And it's to reconquer the city where human society was born, nonetheless
I personally can't wait for a zealous deus vult-style Turalyon to splinter the Alliance so we can finally have some intrigue ourselves, not just another Horde debacle. This has been long overdue imo.
not a wow player but I remember turalyon from warcraft II. Didnt he die?
As a Blood Knight, I wanted nothing more than to defect to the Alliance, after what Sylvanas was doing to the Horde. I would have done it, if the Alliance had gotten actual high elves that can be paladins, instead of void elves. Good thing Lor'themar and Liadrin finally realized the Ranger General they remembered was long- gone.
@@howardhavardramberg7160 But... but what about HordeBad™? 🥺 /s
A good guy turning bad? In Warcraft? Why, I've never heard of such a thing! That has never, ever, EVER been done. In the entire history of the franchise. It is a truly fresh and original plot twist that no one will expect.
Illidan was an antagonist for W3 and a whole expansion and he saved our asses , just give a character a good or bad day and everything could change
@@decilence6184 Illidan was massively retconned in Legion. He wasn't some anti-hero, he was a murdering monster until that expansion.
Sorry, people flipping good or evil like a light switch is lazy writing, and Blizzard indulges in it CONSTANTLY. Morality doesn't rely on whether you've had a good or a bad day.
Sometimes you want a character thats basically evil for the sake of evil like Gul'dan
@@Evil0tto Um, no. He was retconned in Burning Crusade, because a number of the writers literally didn't understand him, and some even thought that he was the head of the Burning Legion. Legion was actually a return to what his original character had been, as lifted out of WC3 and the War of the Ancients trilogy.
Man I really hope Blizz reforms and makes a good game, I really want to play WoW again, but I just don't find it worth my 15 bucks right now.
Idk last I checked Turalyon was sitting on the low rez Stormwind throne with his foot clipping though the stairs, doesn't seem like he'll be much of a threat lolol.
he doesn't want to stand up because he is trying to hold in a fart so powerful, it could destroy the whole of stormwind city with a super laser fart beam
They need to make warcraft 4 a decade ago. The lack of grounding has driven Wow off the deep end, and they've moved in with The Kraken.
Turalyon and Xera were right all along, Whitemane and the Scarlet Crusade too, Imperius from Diablo too, and they did nothing wrong.
I mean canonically Whitemane was SO blessed by the light that she could continually self-res if not stabbed by evil cursed daggers, lot of people overlook and forget that bit about the remade Scarlet Monastery dungeon. And how would she obtain such a uniquely potent boon from the Light were the Scarlet Crusade not doing the right thing?
This all sounds absolutely fantastic from a lore perspective. Time will tell how much of it pans out.
I am invested in the WoW story and it will be interesting to see it unfold... but from afar, and not as a player anymore
Too time consuming, and its digital heroin.
No need for that
Yup they can keep their wow tokens
@@zekirajrus6973 I dont mind the time sink :) what i struggle with (outside broken/frustrating systems and company ethics) is how you have to read quest text AND obscure NPC dialogue AND comics AND novels AND childrens book(s) AND cinematics - and even then you need channels like Bellular to thread the narrative together because the way it is told is so messy and disjointed.
Its less frustrating and more enjoyable to watch a Bellular video and think about the implications than trying to juggle all those different forms of media
Just remember every company is sketchy as fuck starting from your Nike’s, McDonald’s, Facebook etc. don’t cherry pick your causes. At this point the guilty parties at blizz have been removed …. Why punish the several thousand blizz staff who’ve stood together against what happened?
@@SH-sq6pz while i sympathise with the employees who suffered the abuse and obviously hope they have successful careers without fear of abuse, its not enough for me to consider returning.
As i kindof said above company ethics is one (the latest) reason i dont think ill ever return to wow.
I am sick of timegating and AP grinds, im sick of being thrown out of raid groups and m+ because i prefer frost mage over fire mage, im sick of being told my covenant choice is wrong, my soulbind is wrong, my conduits are wrong.
Im tired of trying to pay attention to a story when blizzard cant be bothered to put it all in one media form, just so they can squeeze more money, im tired of the wow token and boosting spam in lfr and trade chat.
Im tired of a community finding every way possible to apologise and excuse blizzards behaviour and im tired of blizzard itself treating its players and content creators like the enemy, and refusing to engage or listen to player feedback
So i left for many, many reasons because its the only way we can send a message to blizzard that they care about.
If you want my money, listen and do better
This Bellular invent lore attract me more than the entire 9.0-9.1 (in game) lore, which is unexistent . Bring us Siege of Stormwind please.
no
I agree. This sounds infinitely better than Mr. Nipply and Systemfail. Systemfail should've never happened, especially considering every xpack has focused on protecting Azeroth EXCEPT Systemfail.
nope?
Ever seen Nobble?
Bel is good for Reporting and speculations but not Lore (too much horde bias)
@Valyron1207 never only raiding no pvp and attacking on of the most epic lore characters the alliance has left?!"
Clearly horde propaganda made by the scarlet crusade invented by the Vulpera Illlluminati"
His idea is just possible by 9.0-9.1 xD
I'm so hyped for this. I hope there's dwarves involved heavily, seeing as the Alliance appears to be Stormwind and Ironforge but the dwarven aspect seems ignored in favour of just humans
You’d much rather be ignored than have the “For the Horde” devs actually remember that you exist. Just ask the Night Elves.
If Turalyon comes in and saves us with the Vindicar at the end of SL it could be a good setup for this.
Also a retaking of Undercity/Lorderon as a base of operations for the Light's Armies would be pretty dope. Like a rebuilt Lorderon as a final raid would be so cool.
Dudes, I think you had too much fun with this one, lol.
Loved the video. Makes me really remember why I love the Warcraft universe so much. I just hope the game itself can fix all of the issues that plague it so I can enjoy it again.
Same man, this video alone makes we want to resub, not for shadowlands, but for what's next.
@@dylanbrewer8605 If you want to resub to kill Alliance heroes, go ahead. Personally I’m sick of the “good is bad, and genocide is morally grey” crap. If they want to fuck over the Alliance some more, they can do it without me.
@@Skyblade12 This. If they dont turn them neutral, they just kill em
So now that you've given away the entire plot of next expansion, Blizz will implment 11.0: "It was all a dream."
Nzoth is the dreamer
Allready done in everquest planes of power xpac, After all the emess to save Zebuxoruk , with players killing their own gods, the mad god just weave us back with the help of the dream godness to save the gods we ultimate killed ( the guild laughs when a paladin killed his own god where quite funny)
Even if all of this were to happen, I don’t have faith in Daneuseur writing it very well. And then think of the terrible systems Hamilton would come up with.
You make a big deal about Turalyon's reaction to Faol as if it's something to do with his connection to the light, but ignore Greymane's which is even more violent.
would be really cool to see this play out, shame blizzard spoon feeds us story/lore at a snails pace and we probably wont get this story for another 4 years
Well no, we get the snail's pace...until suddenly they ram three expansions worth of storylines into one. No, I'm not still salty about the Black Empire being a shitty patch instead of a full expansion, why do you ask
@Rose's Zen Garden and retcon everything later
I dont want him as a bad guy I'm tired of them turning everyone into a badguy
Morally grey*
He was already bad 2 expansions ago, got nothing more to turn.
Morally Grey is great just because he is part of the light doesn't mean he need to be good or evil. I would love to see him have struggles with his devotion to the light. But it's blizzard so who knows.
@@rainhyrt1530 Well, let's see if Blizzard even survives the current debacle to provide another chapter. Even if it does, I doubt it will have the polish required to tell a story of nuance and intrigue as this.
Well obviously creating a new bad guy didn't work out too well. Zovaal became a meme 5 seconds after being introduced.
This is honestly an amazing expansion idea, right after your "Peoples of Azeroth" expansion that you've mentioned in livestreams.
Amazing video!
I can see Turalyon conquering the northern half of the Eastern Kingdoms, razing Silvermoon as they march and then sailing north securing the Sunwell. They would use its power to transport soldiers from the homeworld of the Light onto Azeroth, he would then be told they have more allies emerging from the south. As this happens the Dark Portal lights golden and Yrel and her forces emerge securing the south and join Turalyons army and begin prepating a fleet to invade Kalimdor and wipe out the Horde and fractured Alliance who stand against them.
@Liverpool italy We have seen Blizzard has no problem letting the past repeat itself, and eventually I can see all the Horde on Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms completely Alliance dominated under Turalyon. He is disgusted to see the Horde led by a paladin in the battle of Stromgarde presumably seeing them unfit to claim the title (Although it could have just been some joke text due to paladins formally being a Alliance class). I don't see the Blood Elves letting him anywhere near their sacred Sunwell as the leader of the Alliance and especially after the last time they let one of the sons of Lothar near it. If he wants it he will have to claim it.
At this point, I'd be more concerned about whether or not there will BE a next expansion. Or even if there is, how many people will be left to play it?
About twenty
18:52 but that doesnt make much sense because most of SW's population are SW citizens and I cant see them turning their back to a Wrynn after the years under Varian and at this point, how strong are the remnant of Lordareon's humans?
I love everything about the idea of his xpac, and I love the idea of an anduin/thrall and tauralyon/garrosh parallel where a seemingly all around just leader goes awol and puts a pretty obvious unfit ruler in a position of power because of their war record and their reputation for seemingly being wholly devoted to their respective factions and them turning out to just be fanatic despots.
The hope Bell has for WoW is insane, the amount of content needed to be done to it turn to be 1-2 expansions is insane to Blizz today's standards.
I hope as well, and it can be done. But if everyone runs around saying how bad everything is, it wont get the chance to be great again.
Fantastic video. This would be a lot of fun (until of course we found out about the new mandatory grinds in Lights Citadel, lightbinds, light infused special crystals of unreasonably RNG to get but super boring and powerful) but ya lore wise, super cool!
I like these ideas and it would be interesting to see this explored if someone other than Blizz was telling this story. I just don't think WoW lends it's self to moral ambiguity. Yes the Alliance and Horde can fight but that story works better in the background everytime it's brought to the front they panic and pick a defined bad guy. I worry that will be the case with. Light vs Void type story Blizz just isn't equipped to tell a complex morally grey story in WoWs world better off keeping things simple. Legion worked cause it was good vs evil. BFA flopped because they tried making it just two sides fighting for their own reasons.
There's no real "morally grey" when it comes to fanatical extremism. There is nothing subtle about anything described in this video. Just because it's Light vs Slightly-Different-Light does not make is in any way ambiguous.
It's too early to say whether they can pull it off or not, they've *a lot* to learn in the aftermath of so many mistakes storytelling and narration-wise. We can only wait and see but poopooing stuff in advance feels weird to me. They have a shitty track record but that doesn't mean they still *can't* learn.
@@howardhavardramberg7160 yeah but for now at least I would rather they focus on fixing the fundamental gameplay and systemic issues than risk them torpeedoing an expansion early on by destroying interest in it with poor writing the way they did in BFA. Once the actual game is fixed they should delve into more complex subjects and storyline.
@@DagothDaddy A huge step in the right direction would be to put Ion in charge of dungeon design/raiding again and removing him entirely from the department that deals with story/narration/planning lore and whatever else lol. But aside from that, I don't think there's a problem with introducing complex subjects, the problem arrives when big executives enter storyboard rooms and go like "ok so guys we need to speed up this process, just cut out a bunch of shit don't worry"
Meanwhile baine would be in oribos trying to find his nose ring to finally go help his friends
Edit: I mean he's been in oribos doing literally nothing for a while now
Only thing I'd add is that the Void would logically play way more of a part here. Saying "Alleria would have some issues" is underselling it: she'd basically be at war with her husband, and her Void Elves would be at war with the Lightbound Alliance.
They may not seem like a big deal, but most Alliance players will remember that the Void Elves practically won the fourth war for them; they had everything to do with crippling the Zandalari fleet prior to the invasion of Daz'Alor, and played a big role in a lot of other ways. (Blizzard wanted the new faction to have some impact.) The Void Elves are INCREDIBLY dangerous enemies, and any expansion featuring Turalyon is likely to feature Alleria as well, as sidelining a female character wouldn't be a good look for a company in Blizzard's situation.
Also, there's one other wrinkle: Anduin isn't a Paladin. He's a Priest. (Specifically, he's a Discipline Priest. He's used Power Word: Barrier on a bunch of occasions.)
He playacted as a Paladin for a while, but at the end of the day, he's absolutely terrible with a sword, and his biggest moment in the BfA trailer was throwing away his sword and casting a Mass Resurrection spell. The Light has been ripped away from Shalamayne, and it's done nothing to help him in overcoming Zovaal's control. Tthe Light has completely failed him.
And if the Light doesn't work...well, Priests have another option: The Void. And as the game's gone on, Blizzard has made it clear that a Discipline Priest like Anduin is always drawing on both sides. A Discipline Priest that only uses the Light, like Anduin, is completely unviable. A true Priest balances Light and Shadow.
That's the Other Shoe that's been ready to drop for something like four expansions now. Sooner or later, if Anduin survives, he's going to start hearing the Void's whispers. If this is an expansion about a berserk Light, it would be the perfect time for the Young Lion to discover his Shadow.
"Horde invaders with a Paladin in command? What has this world come to?"
Based Turalyon.
Horde Paladins were a mistake narratively same with Alliance Shaman.
I cannot describe how much i agree with this statement, they ruined it so hard with the horde paladins, taurens xD magic thirsty blood elfs, ZANDALARI TROLLS LMFAO they fucked it up, and i said this since day 1, they ruined the lore completely.
The fun part is that this is less of a wacky theory and more of a foresight. You'd be wrong only in the name of the expansion.
Well, other than the usual Blizzard shenanigans, my concerns are about how the story will go. Who's the enemy? What would be the new lands? Cataclysm 2.0?
Cataclysm 2.0 would be fantastic. I want to go back to Azeroth!
@@davidharman3665 No cataclysm was so crap , look at just Uldum with no quests (or so few), just indiana jones -__-
The Light being "bad" is one the most stupid shits Blizzard has done.
I preferred it when the light as good. I remember TBC where the Naaru allowed their power to be taken so that the blood elfs would wield the light and through it find redemption. Or in Vanilla where the more extreme scarlet crusade members actually used shadow magic instead.
"he is like a Light Space Marine"
EMPRAH PROTECTS, or maybe not in this case lol
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!
@@monkeysk8er33 Inquisition: 🔫👁👄👁
Burn the Heretics!
Turalyon's Crusade? By Yrel's holy thighs, where do I sign up?!
Death to the false Emperor!
- Signed by a chaos marine.
They didn't let us really side with Sylvana. I want that rectified by being able to side with Tyralion
I'd be more interested in the interaction between our Velen and AU Yrell. There's a strong possibility of rehabilitation there. Khadgar may still be a mitigating factor in the story. Good chance he's able to keep Turalyon from going all Lightforged Rambo.
AU Draenor no longer exists according to the devs.
Waiting for Lothraxion to suddenly be Turalyon's advisor in Stormwind.
He advises Turalyon to connect with Yrel on the other side, keeps the information from the Shadowlands about the Dreadlords quiet & by the time we return is in so deep nothing we say matters.
I feel like Varian held all the same biting sentiments as Turalyon and said as much to Thrall many times. Why is it okay with Varian but not Turalyon? I agree with both of them for the record.
Varian didn't have anything to do with cosmic Forces so he was the prince that got his city destroyed and his father killed by horde so I don't blame him for hating orcs but he did what was best for his people.
Turalyon just hated orcs and horde because back in wc2 they believed orcs were little more than Savage beasts that "don't belong in azeroth" so light wants them purged and I don't think he's changed much.
This makes for a much more compelling premise than what we're getting in Shadowlands. While yes, you're dealing with cosmic-level forces - the conflict would be very grounded. I'd be all for it!
“Alliance leader turns evil”. Yay. Last thing we need after all our cities have been blown up and our people slaughtered. We get turned into villains in Garrosh 3.0 storyline. No thanks.
Love this idea! Also interesting that there is an encampment of the Broken in Swamp of Sorrows. I wonder what Yrel's response to seeing the broken would be?
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I love these lore speculation videos! Very well done team Bellular!
Anyone like me grew up with Warcraft 2 and clicked Alleria many times only for the "excuuuuuse me, you never touch the other elves like that" quote? xD also Turalyon probably had the most badass voice and the most badass name. Abit sad he turned into a Khadgar look-alike silly when he was a freakin' badass TANK knight back in Warcraft 2!
*Video:* "Beware Tyralion!" 😭
*Illidan:* "Bitch, _please"_ 🥱😴
Even in the artwork, Turalyon carried a warhammer with a fierce "Rrrrgh!!" like he wants to cave an orc's skull in.
Yet in lore, it was Alleria who wanted to enact genocide against the orcs. Turalyon at least showed mercy.
Unpopular opinion; Turalyon is the best alliance ruler since Arthas. After Theramore how alliance forgives horde is beyond me. It is almost as dumb as forgiving someone who bit off your fingers and killed someone like a father to you.
@PenitentDeadMan308 T These are questions for wise man with skinny arms. We need to give orcs a golden crown that's what I know.
After all things Alliance did to the orcs, I don't understand why Theramore is still being displayed like a serious thing.
@@KhalDrogo493 "we need to give orcs a golden crown"
Funny that Alliance races invoked Burning Legion armies, Alliance races caused Burning Legion enslave orcs, Alliance races massacred orcs and prisoned the rest, and then Alliance still blame orcs for everything evil.
As much as I enjoy the lore... I just don't get why I gotta get the lore from a book rather than it being in the MMORPG itself.
And I wouldn't mind being able to join Turalyon in the Light side.
Especially when you pay for the story with your sub.
I love your speculation. If the next expansion is even half of what you've mentioned we've got a heck of a potential expansion to look forward to.
I wish Blizzard would go with interesting sociopolitical strife as the basis for the next expansion, but they'll probably just go for another cosmic being and half-assed Disney storyline.
Dammit , you guys really know how to get me pumped for the lore again.
Please don't do this to yourself... Follow the WoW lore on TH-cam and enjoy a real, good MMO like FFXIV.
Bellular, I just want an expansion that actually FEELS good, that focuses on leveling, not endgame grinding, that makes you feel adventurous again. No more borrowed power - I think the Alliance split expansion should have an option to "reset" your character, but this time with a buff or a reward, in addition to end-game raiding and dungeons. Make the goal of the game the adventure in the leveling, not the epic battle at the end.
YES!!!!!
An Alliance split expansion is a terrible idea. The Alliance is already nearly dead due to the faction imbalance issues. Make them villains or make them slaughter Alliance heroes and there will be none left.
The rebuilding thing sounds like they could do it as a "mini-xpac" in between SL and the Us Vs Light one. I'd love a quiet experience of going around and seeing the new status quo whilst helping clean old messes.
I will say that they probably removed the reference to the Crown of the Triumvirate being a crown of light because it doesn't fit the timeline. Pretty sure at that point the Eredar were practitioners of the Arcane and hadn't yet encountered the Light, hence how it was so easy for Sargeras to corrupt them.
Bold to assume Blizzard "writers" are good enough to pull off such a cool sounding plot, or that there will ever be another Blizzcon
Sad but true
Actually they could be able to do that, the scenario of the Mag'Har-Allied-Race has me shown two things:
The Light and the People who fight for the Light are such a fanatical Force that they would go the same way the scarlet crusade have gone.
And second:
That I hate lightforged Draenei xD
Your Theory sounds amazing, unfortunately Blizzard has no talent there able to implement any good ideas.
Consider: the goofier the idea, the more likely it is to happen
Just stop you stupid Blizz-Shaming.
There are more than enough good people at Blizz to bring awesome stuff live.
@@MircoBeier lmao....ok
Turalyon sounds like how a Paladin is supposed to sound.
I like it, but I don't think Turalyon is quite ready to accept Yrel's conquest. I don't think he would choose the Light over Alleria and Arator. But... if something like N'zoth's vision of Alleria were to occur and she is destroyed/corrupted, or Arator dies, that could be what snaps him. He needs to lose his anchoring family ties to really descend into madness. I definitely agree that Anduin will not be able to wrest power back from him after 9.2 and that will lead to some conflict. Probably genocide of forsaken in the lands of Lordaeron and the outskirts of Gilneas with Genn's backing.
If this were the next expansion, I'd like to see the Yrel stuff wait for 10.1 or 10.2 and continue through the end, while 10.0 focuses on down-to-earth reconstruction of Azeroth, shadowed by the schemes of the Scarlet and Turalyon's warmongering in Lordaeron. That's a great time to implement new faction cities and lots of player-focused fun features. A little break from cosmic war for me to renovate my dream ranch in Redridge.
I feel like this is still too much of a stretch. All the "radical" acts of turalyon are justified given the circumstances of all he knows and all he has faced. Besides if he was so intolerable he would have killed Alleria so long ago simply cuz she dabbled into the void. He's not a zealot, he's a patriot. And he has no love for the horde and given his history you can't blame him.
Correct, but that is how radical things can begin, the more your actions are justified, the easier it becomes to get away with those things, it's easy to look the other way in a war, but when the war is done how do you justify torturing refugees and mass killings? That is when it starts becoming more "radical"
And it's said that people who fight in a war long enough can easily have their ideals and goals shifted a lot from when they started.
But this isn't a matter of nations of humans going to war, and committing tortures against one another. This is a war against what is a former demonic army, and just recently a genocidal confederacy hellbent on slaughter because either war is their way, or they did it to spawn undead. The radical ways aren't so radical when the opposition is always looking for excuses to wage war, or annihilate all life on ur continent to breed undeath.
True. He also would of killed Faol if he was really that far gone, he'd of seen him weilding the Light as some twisted abomination. As for them torturing people, they just got back from 1000 years of fighting and running from Demons meanwhile most wars on Azeroth have been over who's dick is bigger. Its like expecting a soldier who's seen and done a lot of shit to be just fine and peachy when they come home.
@@justinb7494 Actually, most of the wars on Azeroth have just been "Horde decide to blow people up and commit genocide" again and again. They need to seriously drop the faction crap.
I love the lmao and the end of "What has this world come to."
Breather expansion sounds like a great idea honestly, are there any other places to explore that haven't been revealed on the map of Azeroth yet?
and one that one very few would bother playing. The game is already in the shitter, do you really want it dead? lol
7:43 "What has this world come to lmao"
Can't believe they put lmao in the quote xD
Waiting for Turalyon to start screaming, "Burn the Heretic! Kill the Mutant! Purge the Unclean!"
+ paladins get an inquisitor spec
@@dr.strangelove9815 imagine having a retinue...
TFW I finally get to play as the scarlet crusade, join the legendary man who picked up Lothar's sword and turned the tide of war, fight back against the horde and their false paladins, and finally engage in some good ol 'war'craft. feelsgood
^
Void elfs has Magister Umbric as a secondary leader, while lightforged has Captain Fareeya also, this kinda allows to easily write off Turalyon and Alleria as part of the Alliance, which helps support the theory of Turalyon might depart, and possibly Alleria too
23:14 That's a real slick bit of art, right there! Missed opportunity to use the Bellular B in the title, though :D
Thanks for this awesome Lore details and speculation, i'll be enjoying FF14 gameplay and stories also can enjoy the WOW Lore from Bellular without suffer from multiple different media just to understand WOW lore :)
Is the Intro, with Yrel and Turyalion, from a cutscene or is it fan made?
We made it for this video! Specifically, John, one of our editors. He worked hard on lots of custom assets and scenes for this vid.
All made by us in blender. Well, specifically John!
lol what's what happens when Matt & I are logged into the same account and reply to the same comment! - Michael
Fan made.
I feel that it would be a lovely twisted irony if it turns out that Yrel was actually the daughter of Kil'Jaeden, it would make a ton of sense to why Velen would have wanted to take young Yrel in as his apprentice from a young age, Samaara had already known of how their father had fallen into corruption by the lies of Sargeras and doesn't want for her younger sister to learn of their families' inner darkness. Plus with the supposed death of his son, Velen would have seen Yrel as a second chance. Conversely, Kil'Jaeden would have seen Velen stealing his family as justification enough to transform Rakeesh into a weapon of vengeance.
In the PTR for WoD, it was also said that Yrel would have called Velen her "Uncle" and that there was a darkness hidden away within her that would play a larger role.
On top of things, how her story played out and of the players involvement in saving the Draenei Civilization and conversely leaving behind a sizable power vacuum on the savage world of Draenor that the Lightbound would take full advantage of; it would be a no-brainer that the Draenei of that world would double-down on their worship of the Light above all other practices, it was because of their fall that the Draenei were now more open to the path of Shamanism.
If anything good came out from our events on Draenor at all: the only silver lining I could see would be that the Arakkoa managed to survive as well, and that in them lies the key to undoing the machinations of Yrel and Turalyon. Remember that just like with the Lightbound, the Arakkoa had seen their own share of Light-based Zealotry in the past with the Adherents of Rukhmar and that with their defeat the High and Outcast Arakkoa managed to come together to form an order of their own dedicated to the duality of Light and Void that was central to the Apexis Civilization of old as The Order of The Awakened. All we would need is a way back to Alternate Draenor to retrieve these Awakened Arakkoa to help bring about a lasting peace before things get too far out of hand.
C'mon Blizzard, give us the Arakkoa as a Playable Race for the Alliance.
I haven't played WoW in a while but I need to see a Righteous Light Crusade expac happen before it completely dies. It needs to include that Scarlet Crusade stuff that's been going on behind the scenes too with those flyers that were found. There's some really good storytelling opportunities in there
I'll follow Turalyon. Let's get Lordareon back my man
This is one of the best productions of a new WoW expansion ive ever seen lol genuinely i need Lightbearer to come to life.
You really love this whole AU Draenor/Army of Light concept, cause this is the umpteenth time you've mentioned it in a theory video. So let me make something abundantly clear regarding the lore:
In Warcraft, we know matter-o-factly, that there is only ONE true timeline, which is ours, and that all other timelines are just echoes, mirrors, etc. The only reason why WoD even happened was because a Bronze Dragon got involved, and that is likely the precursor event that will ultimately lead to the creation of Moruzond; step one, as it were.
Just like with Gul'dan being thrusted into our timeline by Archimonde (part of the Burning Legion, who we know faction-wise, canonically, transcends all time, not solely existing in the True Timeline). That event was only able to alter the True Timeline because of The Legion getting involved.
Thus far, we have yet to see the Light alter time to the degree that the Legion, and the Bronze Dragonflight has. Could they do it? Maybe, but thus far, there is no canonical evidence that they are capable of doing such a thing. The portal there can be easily closed, if there's even a whiff of sketchiness.
We won't see AU Draenor invade the True Timeline. We may need to go BACK to that specific AU to do/get something, so we may deal with them in that regard, but they will likely never invade our timeline.
The only way I could see that happening is if Nozdormu himself pulls the trigger on it, in a self-fulfilling prophecy-esque decision to become Moruzond, so that he could ultimately do whatever he becomes Moruzond to do. Clearly we know that Nozdormu has seen his entire life play out already. He knows when, why, and how he becomes Moruzond, and we all know when, why, and how he dies, as that's what End Times shows us. In Thrall: Twilight of the Aspects, Nozdormu states that he was lost in the Timeways, and that he's essentially seen everything. Now that we see the Infinite Dragonflight active again, we may be heading towards the birth of Moruzond.
THAT is the expansion I want:
World of Warcraft: The Hour of Twilight
Where we get an Old God invasion/resurrection, which brings back Deathwing, births Moruzond, and ultimately leading into a Voidlord manifesting, consuming Azeroth's worldsoul, forcing Sargeras and the Pantheon, plus Illidan to return and help us save Azeroth from the Void.
That would be way cooler than this AU Army of Light zealot invasion.
Turalyon reminds me of a alliance extremist version of Garrosh. Would be interesting to also see if Turalyon used a the Naruu heart to empower himself like Garrosh with an old God heart.
Shadowbringers ?
Love the video and the recap. The like was for the jab at Townsend and the rimshot. 10/10 would watch again
2:33 anyone know where I can get this picture of the paladins?
They had mentioned time worked differently in the Shadowlands. If we imagine time moves slower, that could be a very long time that they were all gone for Azeroth, and a great deal could have changed.
I am a simple man. I hear N'Zoth voice line, I press the like.
Blizzard should hire bellular to write the lore for them, great work!
Blizzard should hire Bellular and Pyromancer.
@@Sorrowdusk indeed
I can honestly see Turalyon and Alleria having a fight in Stormwind which somehow causes both the Light and the Void to be on full march towards Azeroth. They are almost like 'ambassadors' for these powers. Also, they said back in an interview that if the Red Star fades in the sky, we are in big poop. If i recall correctly, the Red Star is Sargeras / Seat of Pantheon. The pre-patch of this expansion could do something with that, or the Void bringing eternal darkness to Azeroth and the planet cools down, etc. New weather effects?
Anyways, i wouldn't mind a space expansion. I always loved it back in Legion aswell.
You forgot another threat that passed through the dark portal in WoD also... " The Evergrowth genesaur " , What if we return to Azeroth to find that parts of it consumed by the Evergrowth ?