WHY Black projection screens are better over white or grey when it come to gain and contrast!
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to shoot on a black screen, you MUST have a top quality projector that puts out a ton of light and has a great contrast ratio. That's the only way to get white images to appear on black paint. It absolutely does help with contrast, but not all folks have projectors that can throw that much light.
2600 lumens or more you reckon?
@@simonl2072 Minimum 3500 better 4000.
He clearly says he’s using 1100 lumens
@@m.m.3753 Epson usually has 3500.
@@Illmattic87 at 1:25 he says 3700 lumen
Here's the thing..... There just plainly isn't one BEST screen for every application and I absolutely DESPISE these screen material makers putting it these videos trying to get you to buy their latest and greatest screen material/color. DEPENDING on your specific projector, and by that I mean your true lumen output and a couple other small factors if you were to use the ALR black screen your picture quality could be absolute garbage because it does not REFLECT AND AMPLIFY the colors and lumen light output of your projector!!!!! Do you research folks..... Don't just go with one dude telling you that this specific screen material will work best with your projector. And sorry but 9 times out of 10 the silver screen works best. Yes.... It won't have as dark black contrast as the black screen material but it will also REFLECT AND AMPLIFY your overall light output and colors that your projector is projecting into the surface. Also keep in mind when it comes to lumens of your projector is how far away the projector is from the surface it's projecting onto!!! Please shop according to your projectors needs and capabilities 👍🏻
I new it the colors on the black just looked so dim yet the colors on the gray EVEN IN THIS VIDEO look WAY better than the black how does this guy making the video not see that
Exactly, you can clearly see how fake this videos are. If you Just look around, you can see that brightness levels are crazy. They had to use high brightness levels during recording/editing in order to fake quality of other screens. I mean, with common sense, does your image really looks like this on a white screen/wall? Even with all this, grey one has the best colors and contrast.
To have a good, grate contrast al you need to do is adjust the brightness of your proyector a see that it's a fake if you are in a very dark please and your preyectos es adjusted properly yi"ll have very grate contrast and yi"ll have a very great image so my opinion is that you have to use a white screen ore a grey lite almost white screen to get beautiful image
To have a good, grate contrast al you need to do is adjust the brightness of your proyector a see that it's a fake if you are in a very dark please and your preyectos es adjusted properly yi"ll have very grate contrast and yi"ll have a very great image so my opinion is that you have to use a white screen ore a grey lite almost white screen to get beautiful image
During this video I felt the grey still had the best color out of the 3. I can't picture myself sitting in a fully lit room to watch any movie, hence why I have blackout curtains.
I liked the "black" best. I'd like to see blacker to establish the optimum blackness. For me, it's sort of academic - I watch TV at night in a pitch black room where the black level on my IPS computer monitor is a bright gray compared to the dead black of my white wall.
You just over exposed the image from the projector which resulted looks good on black screen
This is basically just turning the exposure down and calling it “quality”
It’s a visual trick that “works”, but is not ideal.
Silver is still the superior screen because it gives a more true reflection of the image being projected.
Lol sure watch the demonstration
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@@Themotherofallprojectorscreens Very professional reply.
@@glasshalfempty1984 his demonstrations speak for itself!
i dis agree ...ken your screen paint is superior to all screens ive ever tried,,,and ive tried a buch
@PlasmaStorm73 [KY4IF] no. Because plasma tv does not work the same way as a projected tv
I like the grey screen the most
Trying to project a menu on a black wall for our taproom. I am not too worried about the image clarity as long as they can read the menu and it doesnt look bad
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ive tried this black 12 and its absolutely the best.....when it comes to over all picture,,the black screen is the one,,,,and plus you can watch a movie without having to be in total darkness..silver grey white just washes out to much of the contrast
I love the black so much more. Thank you for this. Is there a way to get the black cheap yourself like with paint or regular sheets?
You may want to check out our Black vs black test demonstrations before you do this so you can why our products are top level and your welcome thank you for the feedback :)
Fascinating! Thanks for the scoop
You’re right.
hey man great video im looking for a 120 inch borderless screen do you just sell the paint ? or do you have diy kits with the frame and material ? thank you im using the Xgimi H2 LED PJ
I was thinking of this for years and now I am buzzy searching for a screen and tough of foing to search for my idea and come across u.
Bro thanx for this demo love it. Now I know what to do.
Can I use any black clothe?
White is better for cheaper projectors than black. I have the Dr j projector and I have it on a cream colored wall and it looks better than yours on black. But keep in mind not all projectors are the same, plus you must take in consideration if the room,light natural and powered, and usage of the projector
Very nice, I have a white screen and now I see the difference on black ,nice I might change to black now
Hi where can I purchase a black screen like this and how much I'm.from Australia Melbourne
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I like the grey screen better. Black screen seems to look good with lights on
Yea and who watches stuff with the lights on am I right?
@@emilibrahim6990 I will because eventually I don't really watch much tv an im using monitors for work an production. Tho gaming does come in.
wow and I just painted my walls white I guess I'm going to paint it black now
Sorry that will not work here why
This is why are black Screen paint is different th-cam.com/video/5mtNQNLzz-o/w-d-xo.html
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so buy gray or black bed sheets for a screen thanks
Best video and perfectly explained... Keep up the good work... 👍
Thank you
Why are you showing this while the screen is right under 2 lights, you also have the lights on different angles. Why not shut them off entirely
@@tylerm5059 We specialize in ambient light rejection technology and we done lights out and even outdoors. I have over 10,000 demonstrations on TH-cam
So white screen for when lights are out and black screen when lights are on?
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No the white and grey do not see contrast or colors and are not ALR they are absolute.
than q sir super explain sir but small doubt sir Sir, what type of black paint should be applied? iam in india sir
When I had my projectors in the past. I thought about this. But I did not do it. I should of. I would of got a better pic even with a LOW LUMENS projector. Even in the day it would be great picture because...its a dark wall with the black paint. ;) So voila your pic would still be good. Obvious really.
Also not to go to deep but everything comes out of the darkness. VOID. ;) VOID(infinite potential) creates THINGS. Seed in the ground is in the dark...grows towards the light.
Thanks for sharing this.
Cheers. Peace.
Aum.
if you know anything about color and light you know that black absorbs a LOT of light. So a black projector screen can't possibly be best. White is also not the best because it reflects light too easily so you have low contrast. Silver screens are probably the best because they give a good balance. Black just wouldn't be able to reflect enough light where it's needed. It'll look better in dark scenes probably? But I mean, it just makes no sense. I'm still curious to finish watching this but I mean....those are my initial thoughts.
well he clearly shows in realtime, across many videos on his page, that it's good in both lit and dark rooms....On it's own, yes, basic black absorbs a lot of light, which is why projecting on a surface that's just basic black paint isn't going to be good on its own. ARL combines not just black, but obviously other elements into his product that get the result you see in his videos vs. just using black paint from the store. This isn't just "black paint"/"black screen"....obviously its much more to it than that. Other home theater companies have already or are continuing to develop this same concept. If you don't like it fine. If you reject what you can see here in numerous live demos, fine. Not sure why you would...I think this is super cool and speaks for itself. Black enhances the picture - which is why nearly all screens are black (phones, tablets, TVs, etc.). I look forward to trying this product. #Science
@@kxk2328 On many of his videos, the exposure during video shooting is not correct for a white and gray screen! Image is too bright in the camera settings, it is specially made to brighten the image on a black background and in the end on a black background, the picture seems "perfect"
If the author will remove the video with the right exposure on a gray background in the dark, then the grey screen is the perfect black background, and the symbols on a black background will be greatly missed brightness!
Author please show the video where the gray background is dark without excessive brightness due to incorrect camera settings!
You didn’t mention which projector are you using and also it’s Ansi lumens ?
Wow!! I just got an old 2nd hand nec projector with 3400hrs lamplife remaining, I was looking at projector screens online but because i'm from philippines i only have few options and they are all crap but because of this video i would rather go paint my wall some glossy black. Thanks for the idea! Can't wait to play PS4 Pro with a very large screen. And to think I was only playing with a crappy 32inch tv before (: This will be a huge upgrade for me
Needs to be a satin finish not gloss
@@brettbain1Good thing you said something before he started painting 😂
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What if I dont want to watch a movie with the lights on...which I dont
If your room has light control go with white and ignore this nonsense about black being better for everything
I was planning to buy projector screen paint, I saw your video, and now I'm convinced. Off to the shop now. Thank you the video!
How would this work with an Epson Ultra short throw, ceiling mounted in a room with lots of ambient light (church stage)
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And then why the movie theaters' screens are white?
Sir what do u think is black screen is better or grey.
Movie theater screens are not white, they are silver....ish.
@@glasshalfempty1984 tnx 4 replying😄
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silver screen is the term....silver
Can you paint acoustically transparent material with this
Yes but it must be sprayed on
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I recently purchased an Optoma UHD50X 4K projector to accommodate my PlayStation 5 for 4K gaming. I’ve spent countless hours searching online for a projector screen that will be large enough to cover the entire living room wall if possible, and I need any expert opinions on which side screen I could purchase. My dimensions are L: 174 x W: 94, Diagonal: 194. I’ve owned an Epson 8350 for 10 years, but never made a major screen purchase. Not so much concerned with the brand as I am with covering as much of the wall as possible to get the most out of my purchases. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
I should start off by saying that by no means am I expert. I’m a hobby enthusiast that loves home theater since I was young. I have a Sony 4K projector and a silver ticket 2:35 138” screen. I bring these up just for a point of reference. Who doesn’t love a big screen, but after a curtain fine line, your going to be sacrificing quality for size. There are a lot of factors that need to be considered to find the best screen for you.
For the projector
1. Projector throw distance ( do you have enough room depth to get you the size you want )
2. Check the specs of your projector, after a curtain size you will not be getting 4K anymore
3. Does your projector have enough lumens to support the screen size you want .
For the screen:
1. Is the room your putting it in completely light controlled. If so and you can get the room pitch black while viewing, white is by far the best screen you can go with ( this is also your preference, some projectors are better at getting darker blacks, if you think that the blacks on your projector are kind of washed out, then the silver one is for you. But where the white lacks in black contrast, it makes up for it in color, vise versa for the silver)
2. View distance, how far is your seating from the wall. If your sitting really close to the wall, the bigger the screen, the more you have to move your head to see what’s happening. (Picture walking into an imax movie theater packed with people and the last seat is in the very first row; this is very exaggerated but you get the point. P.s this has happened to me and it was miserable, ruined the movie experience for me)
3. Does your projector support 2:35? If not go 16:9
There is other things too but they tend to be more forgiving, these are just the main things you should be asking yourself. If you really want to get the biggest screen for your wall. Literally find a screen that fits inside the dimensions of your wall and go for it but your going to wash out your picture a lot.. If you haven’t seen a 140” screen in person, I think you would be really surprised just how big it is. I always recommend silver ticket screens because for the money, they are a awesome screen. Ive bought 2 of them, 1 120” 16:9 for my 1080p hd142x optima projector, and the 138 2:35 I mentioned above when I bought the Sony and I honestly couldn’t be happier. As far as this black is the best in this video, I disagree.. it’s completely situational and sometimes it comes down to personal preference on how you like to see your screen. He just so happen to the the black screen no matter what, more power to him, but to say it’s the best no matter what is misleading. Hope this helps.
P.s I’m still looking for a ps5 looool
Very good demonstration…why everybody sells only white screen??
You forgot certified gunmetal screens but just add white screens are consider to be the bottom dollar cheap projection screens when most people can't afford the high gun metal dark grey screens.
@@Themotherofallprojectorscreens thanks for the answer…What do you think about the cheap Chinese projector screen?I mean the anti light one
the reason you're getting gray at 12:20 is because the brightness is cranked up
Hello please do research on our video demonstrations before speaking. I have done this demonstrations on 1000 lumens projector sony vpl cs4 inside and out and even that projector can't see on a grey or white projector screens. Keep in minded the grey and white screen can't even see a infinity:1 black contrast levels and have poor colors. Fact ambient light rejecting technology doesn't work on these types of screens that why videos using these types of screens are always in some kind of dark environmen just to work.
Honestly. People really need to see this with their own eyes, cameras do not have the dynamic range to really capture the screens individually. The darker a room is, the grey or white screen is better, as they will be substantially brighter, which is why they’re so washed out in the video. They are simply overexposed by the camera. The blacks are definitely better with a darker screen, but the brighter whites are also a huge factor. I just went from a dark grey ALR screen to an ultra white screen for a dark room and it’s way better. The dark screen was way better with the lights on.
Hello we have customers demonstrations and we had the product on business locations. Your a little to late on this one sorry
@@Themotherofallprojectorscreens I’m sure I am, considering the age of this video. Thats awesome though!
If you don't turn the light off then it's not valid. (In case I don't watch all) up to now, about half way through you're wrong because you have bright bulbs shining on the screen, so we have reflected light?
And what colour is you screen? Is black total, I must use the color of that screen to make it look good?
On many of his videos, the exposure during video shooting is not correct for a white and gray screen! Image is too bright in the camera settings, it is specially made to brighten the image on a black background and in the end on a black background, the picture seems "perfect"
If the author will remove the video with the right exposure on a gray background in the dark, then the grey screen is the perfect black background, and the symbols on a black background will be greatly missed brightness!
Author please show the video where the gray background is dark without excessive brightness due to incorrect camera settings!
Black is always better
What they don’t tell you is that you need a projector with a high lumminum rating other wise the image gets blanked out.
what do think is enough lumen for a black screen?
How much ANSI Do you need for black wall?
I think gray is a good middle ground. I just switched from a 1.1 white to a 1.0 gray.
where did you find a 1.0 gain grey screen? best I can find is 0.9
Not a bad idea, but you will have to max out the brightness and contrast to make it work. Its something the industry COULD move to but its terribly in efficient and hard on the projector.
I think the grey looks the best
I have been working with projecting graphics over my live preferences. Ageed. Black screens are best under roght condition.
Looking at a used rz470 projector. The main weakness is its blacks. If I was to pair it with a darker screen, will that help? Or are bad blacks just bad blacks?
Sorry we do not support those projector's
Can we see it in the dark?
@12:11
In the dark with room light control you want white, not gray much less black.
@@shaolin95 it's clear black looks better (than white) with the lights on or off.
What projector recommendations do you have?
Hi I am in the UK. I have a 120 inch diagonal screen. How much paint do I need and what is the cost of the paint?
To have a good, grate contrast al you need to do is adjust the brightness of your proyector a see that it's a fake if you are in a very dark please and your preyectos es adjusted properly yi"ll have very grate contrast and yi"ll have a very great image so my opinion is that you have to use a white screen ore a grey lite almost white screen to get beautiful image
Would one of these screens work with q Vankyo leisure 410w
Can any projector be used? laser, dlp, led against black screens?
Any projector but fake projectors
You should reach out to unbox therapy and have him do a review of your screen
Why do they make tvs dark, laptops, monitors ,phones, reduced glare, better contrast, pretty obvious really.Trouble is they seem to be expensive.
Yet every movie theater has grey or white screens. I think they might know just a little better than you or this guy.
Mat Murk There using projectors that cost thousands of pounds Blummin should show a good picture for that money.
@@matmurk8536 so there's no room for advancing screen technologies? "Things should stay the same just because that's how they've been forever" right? If that's the logic used, I can't agree with you. Movie theaters use white screens because light bounces off of the screen in all directions, making for better viewing angles, which is needed since nearly all theater auditoriums have seating wall to wall.
To the people who say that black screens are only good for lower end lumen-projectors that are just not good projectors overall - this argument is garbage. Residential/consumer level projectors that have very high lumen count almost always result in poor performance for HDR, contrast, and black levels. Those are marks *against* high lumen projectors, especially on a white screen -- the screen is bright as can be, but the reality is that there is a performance hit when it comes to accurate color representation/performance: HDR, contrast, and deep/black levels.
All ALR is offering and showing is how his product makes a low end projector's image look a helluva lot better - so just imagine what an even nicer projector will look like (which I believe he uses in other demo videos). He has an effective product - there's a good amount of other large size companies who have also jumped on this type of approach as well. Do some educational research on the benefits of black screens - the pros almost always outweigh the cons, and when it doesn't it just comes down to preference (from projection/home theater industry reviewers).
I think if you plan to see your projector with lights on. You should choose a dark screen. If you want pitch black rooms, choose white screen
grey screen are the best for all conditions
I think if you plan on using your projector with lights on you probably shouldn't be getting a projector
@@wazup3333 Yes, i don't see the point buy a tv.
Set the brightness on your projector!!!
In a dark grey room is black still the best option
You needed to turn off the lights while doing this video. Most people watch a movie in the dark or very low low ambient light. However thanks for making the video and giving up your thoughts.
White screens also look bad in your living room etc. The black screen almost looks like a regular screen that is switches off.
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I prefer the grey
I think silver give better result than the black one.
also some projectors have an option called dynamic black that can really help make those black look black even on a gray screen, while yes there are some screens better than others but a good calibrated projector using a gray screen can easily beat a uncalibrated projector using a silver screen
@@yonoexisto7833 those additional options on the projector also decrease the lamp's life/longevity.
@@kxk2328 yes some of them, but it really depends on the manufacturer, some bulbs last more than others, but eventually a bulb will need to be replace at some point anyway. i honestly don't care about buld longevity, all i want is my projector to look the best possible, today's projector are very easy to change or replace the bulb, if the person has at least some average knowledge, i don't use ECO mode, but back to my previous comment, dynamic black will make the black look black and also can make the bulb last longer because it dims the light a bit
regards
This is a game changer
Is this paint for the wall? Can I use it to paint my white roll down projector screen?
Yes you can paint this on your walls and roll up screen demonstration
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Is there black or grey screens. And not paint ?
No the Screen paint we make is black not grey
@@Themotherofallprojectorscreens is there such thing as black or grey screens. Becuz my wall has a pattern and bumps so paint will not look flat
@@Themotherofallprojectorscreens TV Box Stop btw if I buy a 120 inch projector screen but move the projector closer to 84 inch. Will the quality still be fine. Need a answer asap as im about to buy one on eBay :)
Hi.. Thanx for the informative video.. I have a panasonic ar100 projector, will a grey / black screen projector work well with it?
Next one add black with white
Customer demonstration on this 180" 2.35:1 screen using our superior ALR cinema screen paint.
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Lol ok watch the demonstration
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Can you share with us... what is the name of screen material that being used on video..?
Appreciate your information...
Thank you..
to need a black screen u will have to have a real shitty projector with a contrast ratio of 1000:1 or lower. which might be the case in this video.
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Theaters never use black screen because the quality of projector as it is with home theater.
And white paint is Deceptive use of an example. White paint is horrible to use. Texture is everything.
This is pure nonsense. With a light controlled room, a white screen is a lot better than your black screen. Stop lying to people. Grey or black screens are a compromise used for rooms with no light control, that is simply what they are good for.
Or if you have a sad projector with super low contrast and high black levels
100% this guy is an idiot
lets just show dark shots
I have been looking for a manual pull down projector screen in black. Around 120" .Where can I find something like this?
They don't make them and if they did your talking about a screen that would cost you over $2,000
Black diamond screen just the 100" 16:9 dark grey not black would cost you $4,000 or more
@@JuanOrtiz-yk8ut lol no they don't if They did they would not be a $120 Black screens and dark grey screens are very expense. Fact the dark star 9 is a very dark grey Screen with a price tag of $3k or more.
@@JuanOrtiz-yk8ut fact is I would challenge you post a link
@@JuanOrtiz-yk8ut lol the case is black not the screen the screen is white
Can't see anything, because the room is lit.
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Your 'black screen' looks slightly better in high light environments compared to light grey, and definately compared to white. Outside, showrooms, patios, commercial use, yes. It catches your attention. However, in busy retail, no one sits for long watching presentation; they wont miss the crushed blacks becasue they are only seeing the eye colour candy in the graphic artist designed midrange.
In a home, we can just turn down the lights to get those blacks. Filmakers love love love the dark moody aesthetic with tons of mysterious detail lurking in the shadows for your eyes to resolve, It adds a sublte tension to the film. And tension is everything in Art. (colour is an adaptive evolutionary trait invented to identify predators, with a enormous emphasis on
facial recognition, to identify family, with an attendent advanced ability by discern predators from among many tshades of green foliage.)
How does this compare to (ambient light rejecting)"ALR" screen in public use? Compares favourably, with this black paint, gone is the washed out image, and its a quarter the price, good. Depending on the use, and the user.
But, for home use? We need shadow detail, and we sit for longer periods of time, where the content is created for graduated tone rendition. Whereas commercial content is all bright flashing logos and wham bang wow.
Maybe bring this up at the beginning of your presentation: For those seeking a more affordable solution in a high brightness setting, with a commercial/transient target audience, better picture than white screen, with a massive cost advantage over ALR.
Also, even it it was going to be used for home use, what about levels adjustment in the lower end? A custom curve raising the lower third of the gamut seems nessesary to acheive shadow detail. Projectors do not have a levels control like Photoshop. Contrast and brightness do not cut it. gamma is more helpful, but is not fine tunable. So, whats the point of using this indoors? I can just paint my room a medium grey to stop light bouncing back onto the white screen. It would be helpful to have better level controls in video players on the mac or pc.
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grey/silver for super cheap..
Not impressed
A 720p projector?! Is this 2002? Wtf?
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I Absolutely don't like it. The reason why. Your whites on the black screen is BLUE PERIOD. NOT WHIT. GRAY IS WAY BETTER THAN ANYTHING OUT. Flat out projectors are made for Dark rooms, never ever a lit area. Get a TV if your going to view in both. A projector is for Movies in dark spaces. Like a theater, you never see a theater played in a lit room have you. It's common sense people. Get a projector, your watching movies etc. In a dark room. Otherwise get a TV you'll have ten times the picture. Never use this black screen. You'll never get the correct colors from any company.
Yes this guy is full of it. He claims no white screen can look black (well it can in a dark room with a good projector) but surely forgets to mention that whites will.never look white on a black screen.
@@shaolin95 weird the whites on my 65" LED and OLED Tvs are white...and the screen is black....you're right....how dare there be an advancement or improvement in screen technology..Im with you, this is the work of "the devil"....
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Yeah but I like to actually SEE wtf is o. The screen. Shit's too damn dark overall.
There is no real white in the black screen. Looks like crap. Behr#MTL101 foundry metallic looks far better in all lighting.
Hahaaa! Not everything I watch takes place at night... or in space.