After the update, the game feels amazing to drive. BUT... I have 25 real-world race car replicas (some of which are yours) and a good chuck of them have been destroyed by the update. I just can't figure out how to stop the cars from compressing and locking the front wheels when I turn. If I do stop them, they are way to stiff and wants to kill you. It's super annoying. Edit: Now 33 real-world cars with 2 on the way Edit 2: HELP. PLZ HELP. I can't stop making cars Edit 3: I think im at 40 cars now
@@ryanhiggins9797 happens even with max ride height on: evo v, evo vi, 99 viper, both r32s, amuse s2000. this happens even on stock suspension. this behavior was also observed prior to this physics fix for the bouncing samabuses
@@ryanhiggins9797 brakes wouldn't change the fact that they bottom out the cars stock even. Upgrading them makes it worse, essentially forcing you into needing a wheel for any semblance of hope of controlling braking
The more realistic, the better. I want it to be as close to real as possible. If I wanted an arcade game, I would go play Forza. There can be less realistic modes for casuals, but dont make me have to play that. Keep the controller though. The dual shock does good at simulating bumps and shifts and things. The wheel isn't as realistic as Id want because I cant feel the car. The controller is fine.
I really don't like the new physics. Like many I have had to tinker with car setups that I had perfected for months only to find I can never get them quite right! Quite a few cars are undriveable now as well.
I felt negative about the new physics too, and also the general direction that the game is going. Here is why - the cars are universally more understeering now, and I am not talking about tuned cars that now require further tuning, but rather the weekly online TT cars and the cars in the Circuit Experience, which is why I am inclined to believe in what was said in this video. In the recent weeks, the developers tend to give us cars with heavy understeer on tracks with lots of consecutive corners. In the case of the Subaru, it even intentionally up the power to make the understeer more profound and to make the car characteristics less predictable. The result of this is that for players on controllers such as myself, it would require even more detailed level of input to make the car drive-able (particularly the throttle input), and I am not even good at MT, so it is far worse for AT drivers as far as I can tell. If you have tried the Nordschleife CE before, it used to be very slidy even if you put on ASM and countersteeting assists, but I now need to drive it with these assists off to really get the best out of it. I haven't tried that many cars since the update, and I will certainly feel annoyed if they are indeed doing so to push people to use a steering wheel
The engine swapped cars are undriveable it’s crazy and the pp rating after the 1.49 is messed up you can’t use certain cars you could’ve used for different events now!
Glad it's not just me. Hours and hours painstakingly tweaking car handling, suspension and diff settings to get handling how I like it. Now: just miles and miles of chronic understeer. And I can't dial it out without stupid settings that destroy all balance and lap time. I can't get within a second or more of my previously set fastest laps with the same car. Madness. This isn't an exaggeration; I've ditched the game totally. I didn't see the point, objectively, spending my free time being frustrated and annoyed. Why would I voluntarily do that? So I'm back on ACC and enjoying the experience far more.
Tuning is fine IF you have the data to understand what the car is doing and how your tuning has affected its behaviour on track - right now it's all based on feel and we have no idea why any change we make is good or bad.
True I am on a wheel and I have a lot of setups well before the update, and I have tested some but not all. They handle a bit different but that is ok because you can fix the behaviour of the car, so it's not all bad like some are saying they are all undriveable, and I am not playing the game until they fix it.
The realism on AC was so hard that I had to read books on racing cars to not come last by over a lap. I don't think GT7 is anywhere near that level but the rotation I'm getting is much better now than ever before and I appreciate the update - and yes I have raised my ride heights because grounding out is now a big thing. If GT introduced tyre pressure and tyre temps (for all parts) we'd be more into pro territory
I may be wrong here, but I reckon that a good 80-90% of players use a controller. Wheels & Sim rigs are far from cheap, & a lot, if not a vast majority of players, can't afford this. If they focused on wheels more they would lose most of their players. Owning a wheel or Sim rig should be a bonus for you, lucky you, not a must, for ALL players. They could simply separate the online races to controller only or Wheel only races. They should also categorise races to assists ONLY, or NONE only. Not TCS or BB but menu Assists. Having people race with the menu Assists ON v players with none will AlLWAYS cause issues.
I race in A+ lobbies, and I like to look at replays and see if I can tell who has a wheel and who doesn’t. Most of the time it’s just me and maybe two other people in a 16 player lobby with wheels.
@@krdjmtcDoesn't surprise. I'm on controller & have no problem if I'm playing against wheel players or not, "Bloody controller players" is heard a lot on these streams & comments though 😂 I will sound like a broken record BUT, GT need to fix the format for online racing concerning ASSISTS. Countersteer assist, stability management, replace car after leaving track, braking area & indicator, driving line should all be MANDATORY OFF when racing ONLINE. Or have a race for those that want any of it on, separate.
I don’t understand the need to overhaul the physics on GT7. Why not wait til GT8? To me the new physics have stripped identity that’s unique to GT7, further showing how schizophrenic this game has been. GT Sport for all intents and purposes was a complete game at launch and worked as intended, it was greatly expanded upon over the years but the core of the game never changed. The core of GT7 (and what can be considered its core) has changed so much that it feels much more like an experiment at the players’ expense. I feel like GT8 will be the GT7 that was “promised” when it was first announced and that GT7 will be remembered as a test tube.
GT7 has had an identity crisis since release, they seem to be trying to be all things to all players and failing to live up to anyone's expectations as a result.
I feel for your guys pain. As a PC racer for 15 years I haven't touched grns turismo since 02. However, after playing forza motorsports for a laugh I wondered how 2024 gran turismo would play, so I went ahead and bought a ps4 pro with gt7 and been playing it since the 1 50 update I have nothing but positive things to say. I've been left speechless, I have been blown away by how close it is to assetto corsa (imo) and most definitely leans further towards a sim than an arcade game (yes I'm looking at you forza motorsports) to me gt7 has become my favourite racer, no question. I'm now totally on board and loving every minute of it with one exception.. The absolute dogs hit music. Dear lord
I love GT7 with the gamepad. After hundreds of hours in Asseto Corsa VR on PC with a wheel, it's a breath of fresh air to be able to race on the couch and relax with the PSVR2 and the gamepad. I can race for 10 times longer using the gamepad opposed to the wheel.
I have a total of 13 cars with a broken pp system; 19 ZR1-max tune, 69 Z28-engineswap max tune, 70 Superbird-engineswap max tune, C2-max tune, 69 GTO "Judge"-max tune, 930-engineswap max tune, C3-max tune, C3 convertible-max tune, 89 ZR1-max tune, R32 V spec-max tune, 70 Super Bee-max tune, 65 GT350-max tune, C1-max tune. Almost every corvette in the game, excluding the C6 ZR1, one skyline, 5 old American muscle and one Porsche. Does anyone else have a similar issue with their cars?
Max tunes are broken for sure, but why are you building so many "maxxed" out cars? I think I've built one (R35 GTR) to max specs as a drag car, otherwise maxxed out cars are basically useless to me. I prefer racing cars that are +/- 100PP less than the competition.
Bro I've got like fifty. Half through glitching them when we still could and the rest just outright broken immediately after the update. Infuriating that they patched out the glitch but still didn't make any of the exclamation PP value go away
If the day come, I'll let it go. Something similar happened with Project Cars 3 and, I dropped the franchise. Project Cars 2 was a very good race sim, PC3 went full arcade when it dropped. That disappointed the entire fan base. But just moved on, didn't lose ANY sleep over it. As far as the physics change, I like the way it feels on controller. To me it feels more like you have to be smoother with your inputs and, I like that. If you've ever played any recent motorcycle racing games like the Motogp series or Ride, being very smooth with your inputs is key. I've always felt like Gran Turismo sould punish jarring controller inputs like slamming on breaks or abrupt acceleration, especially on different surfaces. But the rain physics still need a little more work.
Have noticed a couple cars break the PP system by just having racing tyres equipped which makes no sense (300SL for one example) I messed around for ages trying to get rid of the error ! Icon and ruined my classic racecar build i’d made before the physics patch. Ive heard there’s handfuls of others who have experienced it on other vehicles. Overall though I like the new physics mostly, feels a lot more challenging on Controller and i’m now really having to work for Gold time trail times, it definitely seems geared to wheels/sim rigs now as you said.
Do you mean when you get the red triangle and can't get a PP rating?... I've played the game for around a year now and tuned many cars now and I had it happen when I tried to fit ultimate parts to the R32 Nismo... I kind of fixed it one way, in which it wouldn't have been unusable in most races, but using bad tyres on the front wheels! Sports or rain tyres on the front wheels with full racing tyres on the rear... However the one thing that actually fixed the problem and let me use any tyres I want was fitting an LSD! 😯😀🤘 . If that hadn't worked I was going to try a 4WD adjuster, brake balance controller and an anti lag kit, but as said an LSD was "all" it took - hopefully it fixes the problem for you! 😯😀🤘🤞 .
@@tanner1ie I do, but it depend on the part/car as to what breaks it, I always fully tune my cars as much as possible so they all have LSDs etc, but still you should be able to add any/all parts you want without it breaking the game, it’s flawed if not I also did investigate to fix it by removing everything I could and readding one-by-one until it glitched it…and it was simply Racing tyres on some cars which is ridiculous
I'm part of a team and 2 of our faster drivers are really struggling with adapting to the new physics, whilst some of the slower guys have had no issues at all. A lot of it is down to driving style imo
They struggle because if you drive as it would be meant to do you get what everybody complain about: unnatural car behaviour. You can't delete (in my case) >5000 hours to adapt a devs mistake
I don’t think anything is out of possibility for Kaz quite frankly. GT Sport, as you pointed out, was such a step away from traditional GT that it shows that he almost doesn’t care about the fanbase. Certainly if he had it his way, his desires would come before the consumer. We just have to hope the commercial wing can reign him in as much as possible
I think that it is not that impossible that in the future they will go for a 2 game strategy based on the same engine and such for 2 types or racing games.... one for controller and casual gaming and one for steering wheel and more the pure realistic racing things. Just the difference between Dirt 4, 5 and Dirt Rally (2). One more casual and fun - the other realistic. In a way they can add and use race tracks and cars for the realistic gaming experience - with some cars add that you can do for trackdays and such. And call it SPORTS. While more roadbased cars and tracks - like a long awaited version of Drive Club - with controller friendly physics that you could play with a wheel for the more casual fan base. Gran Turismo (nr X) Ofcourse with an upgrade you can have both versions and after your initial pay hopefully the updates are still free. Or that they have the Alpha game in SPORTS and you add GT x for a full game. (and still a heavy wheel based road cars engine) While if you just buy GT x you don't have acces to Sports. I also forsee maybe in the future different packs for GT since their cars base is so large and different ... between historic or what they do now between before 00's and after 00's. That you have to buy the a seperate 'classic' edition to get updates for older cars.
After 1.49 I just waited for 1.50 because some cars were really broken. I initially was very annoyed to have to setup every tuned car all over again. But it was doable. Most were just related to the spring rate and compression/expansion levels. They all drive very stable again.
You see, after 1.49, I am much more optimistic about Gran Turismo than I ever was, cuz anything we can wish can come back, like Volvo coming back, the Super Silhouette, Eiger coming back, anything can return now, and the last update was very geared towards casual players rather than e-sport players, because Eiger is very hard to race above Gr.3, is a very narrow track with little to no run-off areas. And considering that Cape Ring is in the files of the game, I don't think a GT Sport 2 will happen just like you're saying.
Here's an idea in regards to the previous Special Projects: Once we know for absolute certain GT7 is done with updates, make a quickfire update video on the builds that's the most outdated. Parts are all the same (except maybe a few Ultimate Parts from before 2.0), it's just the changes to Suspension and Diff. It can be just the screenshots of said vehicles. It doesn't have to be all of them and I don't expect the video to get many views, but it's just for those few who still love driving those Builds and want to continue to enjoy them until GT8 rolls around.
A couple years after "GT7 is done with updates" the servers probably will be shut down. And most of the cars from those builds will be inaccessible for the new players. Coz both Legendary and Used dealerships are fully server-based. Cars produced before 2000 will be lost forever for those who don't have them. And i highly doubt that they make a patch that will made this function a client-based. They never did it for GT5, and GT Sport also lost all it's online features including livery editor. You cannot even change a color of your car. The only thing they did for those game is the ability to have a local save. Same will happen for GT7. I wanna be wrong, but that's probably exactly what will happen.
I genuinely doubt Kaz could be bothered with such things, more likely sony and PD will do everything they can to make you buy gt8. Because let's be real gt8 won't be much different from the gt7 experience.
i havent touched the game since the new big update, im playing on controller and its horrendous, some cars just flat out dont fucking turn anymore or snap in random directions, and the steering has lost all feel and feels very slow to respond and mushy , even with all the sensitivities the whole way up. i dont understand why PD wont just leave the physics alone, they were perfect before
@@truckercowboyed2638 my inputs are just fine, i have over 2,000 hours played + nearly 50,000 ingame miles driven i know a physics inbalance when i feel one. cars such as the new E36 cannot physically be tuned correctly when fully upgraded, many others have said this too. some cars snap and the ones that dont just dont respond anywhere near as quickly or responsively.
@@shadowchrome_Are you getting a red triangle in the E36 when it's highly tuned?... I got one in the R32 Nismo when I tried to fit ultimate parts on it... I "fixed" first in one way that it really wasn't usable in most races (fitting sports or rain tyres on the front wheels and racing tyres on the rear, but of course you can't use sports tyres in pit stop races and you would destroy wet tyres in a dry race...) But the one thing that actually fixed it was fitting an LSD! If that doesn't work, things like a brake balance controller, anti lag kit or 4WD adjuster (not that an E36 can fit one) might also work, but to recap, bad front tyres or an LSD was enough to fix the problem and fit a max tune - hopefully the LSD works for you so you can use the car in all races! 😯😀🤘🤞 .
Reason i play gran turismo is because it isnt so real to the point where its undrivable like assesto corsa and it doesnt force you to drive in cabin view only like iracing. I have zero issues with it not being as realistic as it gets. I think the handling is good and i play with a controller
I might be crazy but D1 physics worked so good. The best period to me was D1 and when the Alfa Giulia GTA-m came. After that they fucked up everything... massive understeering, no mechanical grip, heavy rolling while braking, bad weight transfer (specially during braking), no traction, the feedback on the wheel sucks and it's so unprecise and now when you ride a kerb you will end literally flying + cars behaviours are even worse during braking. They got really a problem on the braking physics. I hope they fix it and tend to get cars more neutral bc now many of them are nearly undrivable.
This Update also concernes me Not because of the same reasons as you but because so Many of my Cars became More or less useless with the new Update and its so much work to fix like 40 cars i Hope they fix this soon
im only an amateur, using a controller, but noticed that some corners are much simpler/smoother after the update…. on the le mans track, the last corner before the penalty section/area, and the last corner/hairpin on deep forest…. they used to be very difficult to navigate, at least for me, but now it goes smooth… but cant judge if its more realistic
GT7 is really sport 2.0 never meant for casual players. Single player campaign died in this game. Game design is horrible and the updates are toward sport mode and car handling and other things.
The sky is falling! Nah, you have a right to feel that way. I have a wheel and rig setup and I use it about half the time. Sometimes I just want to sit down with the game pad and do my daily marathon or screw around with a tune. Other times I really get stuck in, using my rig, and race online etc.. If they were to go to wheel only, we would HAVE to have more affordable options in the sim space. It is getting better, I think? But even still a decent rig/wheel base is a good chunk of coin as it stands. Especially with the Fanatec fiasco right now and their future being uncertain.
I've had similar concerns too, especially when GT Sport was released and it was such a departure from previous titles. In the past GT has always been the perfect middle ground between arcade style and sim racers to me and I don't have the physical space, money or desire to have a wheel setup so I really hope it doesn't go in this direction. Gran Turismo has literally been a system seller in my case as I saved up for ages to get a PS2 just to play Gran Turismo 3 and I held off on a PS3 until there was a proper Gran Turismo game available for it. I'd hate to lose the classic elements of the series that I've always loved like all the weird and wacky cars you'd never see in other racing games or tuning ordinary everyday cars into monsters and the fact that you *can* get quite in depth with tuning if you want to but it's possible to get a full experience out of the game without a wheel or deep knowledge about camber angles etc. I don't think the overlords at Sony would be too pleased either if they shut out such a big portion of the customer base.
Its a bit hard to drive with a controller specially rwd driven cars. Hit a burn and trying to catch the power slide is harder now coz it snap oversteers. I hope a little improvement would help on the physics side.
Agree 💯 It's the total disregard for players that had invested literally years into perfecting vehicle set-ups for a given races parameters (800pp for example) and then finding all that hard work thrown away as the result of a compulsory update. It's not good enough. And these PD fan boys who INSIST that the physics are now more realistic- no they are not. I still see AI cars bouncing on track. There are cars in game, that I have personally owned and driven hard, that will spin end on end when the brakes are touched. Please, spare me, that is no where near "real life"
Wish they leave the psychics alone in Gr.3 it's very annoying having to keep retuning just to get back too lap times I 2as doing before update 1.49 happened.
What makes no sense to my eyes in a car racing game is the fact that Gran Turismo doesn't allow even minor changes in settings in the online races hosted every week. That makes no sense. Set-ups on cars are a big part of what makes races interesting (real world or not). Gt Sport was very disapointing to me, in this regard. And GT7 online A B C is the same bullshI7. The 'no settings + BoP' way of 'racing' proves, to my eyes, that they do not want to leave the casual gamers on the side of the road. They just don't realize that some of them would be able to fine tune their cars better than they drive. And play with their sticks on par with guys with wheels. Cars are still meaning 'freedom' to many of us: No speed limit on the track. No horsepower limit on your console. No settings limit.
This is my exact concern with the new update. Because my cars were so planted and then they weren't. And me and my son use a controller 🎮 and I thought this also
I also like playing racing games using a gamepad. Good point noticing that after this shitty physics update GT7 feels a lot like Project Cars. Kaz should offer gamepad players an option to return to the old physics (before updates 1.49 and 1.50).
Since it's an always online game with lots of online connectivity and challenges, I doubt that that will happen... Although they COULD let us play the game a bit like in FIFA games for around the last ten years, since "tactical" defending became mandatory in competitive/tanked online matches, however thankfully you can still use "legacy" defending in all offline modes and in online friendlies 😯😀 ... However I reckon that even IF they let us switch between both physics models, we'd still had to use the new model in all the driving challenges, missions and licence tests (unless they would have two sets of target times, but it would probably get too confusing...). All in, we're probably "stuck" with it unless things change back or go somewhere in the middle! 😯😀🤘 .
It's pretty obvious to me that GT Sport was a stop gap until they had enough content to make a numbered Gran Turismo game. There was either the option to create GT Sport or wait 7-8 years for a numbered GT game or I'd imagine that was the case.
Controllers are already at a huge disadvantage compared to wheel. After the new update it's nearly impossible to play properly without relearning everything. Now it's wheel focused, next it's gonna be rig focused. You think it won't happen? Think really hard about that thought
Am I the only one frustrated with massive power on understeer in this game now? On entry it’s better now but the on throttle dynamics make every car feel so under steer biased
The PP System is what worries me. More than the physics. It’s a total disaster. I have 7 glitched tunes so far. That are actually around 640pp yet one click to the right it drops under 600pp
I'm in the exact same boat. I planned to release a new set of my own Custom Projects slightly after the newest update, but the Physics have changed how the cars perform so much, that I'm back to square 1 with some of them. For me, it's not just higher level stuff. Even simple stuff has been drastically changed for me, so I'm holding off until at least the next update to see if they change anything, I would honestly prefer they just went back to the old model because on tarmac, it was near perfect for me (of course, I'm not a pro player, I play on controller lol).
I'd say this, if they let Kaz have his way with his game, the sales would plummet almost immediately. Not only would they lose their sales, they'd be forced to return money for so many people wanting a refund.
Kaz is perfectionist, he shares a lot of character traits with Hideo who literally tried flew to close to the sun and then Konami pulled out funds. The same thing would be with Kaz. Sony knowing full well how badly sold gt sport, wouldn't let Kaz have his way with the new installments unless it was added as separate option something like hardcore mode in call of duty. You can play with physics adjusted to the controller or change them to full blown simulation that can work only with a rig. It would require few changes to multiplayer to prevent people playing with arcade physics to play with people who prefer simulation.
To be fair I think 1.50 physics fix is better than anything before, also I don't think it's a controller killer making only wheels and paddles useable, PS4 and DS4 are dead for sure but PS5 and Dual Senses are fine. For all the road car builds being killed by new physics, it's time to accept that you can't really tune it that way, offering that low boundary doesn't mean it can work well with that.
To me, there is an advantage to having a rig. Especially when the rig is set up properly and the player is used to it. I commented elsewhere - worrying me about a sort of pay to win situation. I'd think a lot of people worry about their competitors serup to some degree. I see A+ I think wheel. But that's me.D E I think controller and wonder whether or not it's seen a wall at 20mph.... I ramble... I'd happier if they split sport mode between controller and wheel.
I think they put a lot of focus on how the game feels on hand controllers, rather than neglect it, so there’s no reason to think they would let that slip. Especially when GT is one of the premier PS games for playstation and sells consoles. But I also think if they’re going to go to such lengths to provide a detailed model of the car the it should have an accurate DM as well rather than just ‘what’s fun.’ I’m pleased to see them trying to create accurate physics rather than just slew something more simplified between under and oversteer. The latest update is a bit confusing with setups, car tuning seems to be a lot more on/off in terms of drivability but when they’re on the cars do seem to behave the way you’d expect them to in real life, specifically in how you have to manage the throttle and can’t do video gamey stuff like full power exits. It’s nice to hit the brakes and notice the car wobble slightly like you’d expect it to. I have a controller and wheel and right now still have fun using both, so I don’t see where there should be any worry about things tilting wheel side. Kaz is going to Kaz but Sony still owns them and they’re not going to let him ruin a flagship for the general playstation population. I think TT is a bit of a difficult case as well because rider stance has so much to do with how you handle and it’s really hard to fully simulate that with a controller. It was weird in TT and you basically settled on a specific maxed posture which felt very artificial and gamey, and maybe that’s what he’a talking about when he says he’d rather have TT set up for a full controller of some sort. I don’t even know what it would look like, some sort of full size tilting apparatus? I think it’s more of a design difficulty though. They have the same issues with cars but again I think they have stayed on top of translating controller input into expected steering response.
Glad it's not just me when I feel like older SP builds feel really skittish now due to the physics update. Been going up the list of these tunes and I've been spinning out quite a bit with the racing builds. I most recently tried the Porsche 961 build and ofc it was really skittish with RS tires, but I tried RH and it felt really stable; turned worse but I didn't lose control. Funny thing is I tried two racing builds I did drive before the recent revision with softs and they still felt good to drive: the Diablo JOTA and M3 Evo DTM. All in all, I'm glad I'm not just going crazy and I fully understand and support your decision not to have a special projects pack this month (not that I've even caught up yet lol)
Had anyone noticed on the g29, the force feedback, torque and sensitivities, has to go up a couple of notches to even feel almost like you are connected to the car? And feedback from the wheels.
Yeah, I have about 5000 miles on my GR3 911 and it's much less planted on acceleration now. Haven't used it much since the update... but many other GR3 cars drive just fine. The 458 is fantastic.
@@focussportI agree with you both, the 911 is harder to driver. But it feels closer to how it does in ACC which people say is more realistic than gt7 so idk if that makes the physics “awful”
@@JelaniSuperI think what makes it awful is GT7 is a casual game that can be played on controller and wheel this makes its harder for the controller players which are the majority player base GT7 previous was the perfect combo of simcade as a whole
@@andrew1085 i have to disagree but that's just my opinion. I don't think the new physics changes affected one more than the other. In my experience you have to be a bit more precise and "careful" after the update but that applies to both wheel and controller.
I felt negative about the new physics, and also the general direction that the game is going. Here is why - the cars are universally more understeering now, and I am not talking about tuned cars that now require further tuning, but rather the weekly online TT cars and the cars in the Circuit Experience, which is why I am inclined to believe in what was said in this video. In recent weeks, the developers tend to give us cars with heavy understeer on tracks with lots of consecutive corners (the upcoming TT is at Suzuka btw, and the S-curves will be a nightmare). In the case of the Subaru, they even intentionally up the power to make the understeer more profound and made the car much less predictable at different RPM range. The result of this is that for players on controllers such as myself, it would require even more detailed input to make the car drive-able (particularly the throttle input), and even worse for AT drivers like myself. If you have tried the Nordschleife CE before, it used to be a bit slidy even if you put on ASM and countersteeting assists, but I now need to drive it with these assists off to really get the best out of it. I haven't tried that many cars since the update, and I will certainly feel annoyed if they are indeed doing so to push people to using a steering wheel
Sony only needs to look over the fence at Microsoft and the Forza series to know that racing games that lean toward the arcade end of the spectrum (Horizon) are measurably more popular than ones that lean toward the simulator end (Motorsport), even if you discount FM2023's myriad unforced errors. As a consequence, they're going to keep Kaz's leash rather tight. Having said that, there are a few areas where I think Kaz could be allowed to go hog-wild without completely shutting out casuals. One would be allowing players to adjust suspension settings on each of a car's four corners (Not sure if the GT7 engine could even do that.), which would give us nerds more tools to optimize a setup (especially for ovals), but you could give people who aren't interested in going that deep the option to tick a box to automatically apply settings symmetrically left-to-right like they are now.
Since this last update most of cars I used to grind for easy money at Sardenga aren't nearly as good as they were. The only one that stayed a bit close is the Toyota s1050 but even that one is slower than before. Having a hard time recalibration my cars n also to get the same speed n handling. Not liking the update for these reasons.
The way the game felt before the most recent handling update was perfect but now it most definitely does not feel great it is just good enough at this point.
Honestly Im not sure what the issue people are having is. I understand that the update may have broken some tunes, but I am also primarily a control pad player, and I haven't had any issues adapting to the way the cars drive now. I feel its actually easier in some cases than it was before as I am able to drive many more cars without traction control than before.
I personally don't think that the controller will go away entirely, I agree it comes down to sales and such, but I can see the game eventually being geared towards the wheel set up, in away you won't get the full game experience without the wheel
I hate how the wheel looks when you're using the controller, it looks so fake and wonky. Due to interpolation, the car is turning right, while the wheel is still pointing left lol, it's ghastly.
Cars have steering wheels , so it's absolutly logic as the technologie evolves to race on steering wheel. In my opinion a racing/driving "simulator" shouldn't be driveble on a controler. For controler they're alot of arcade games as NFS , etc... As about the money thing... I guess that's the reason they keep allow "light damage" , gosting and all kind of assist in the ranked races as "Daily Races" , Manufactures Series , Nation Series , s.a. Just a personal opinion , not ment to offend anyone.
I've owned a PS1, 2 and 3 purely because of Gran Turismo and its career mode. Never owned a PS4 or even touched Gran Turismo Sport down to what you've mentioned in your video. I'm not interested in playing online one single bit. Since PD have returned to their roots and old school fans of the game I've been happy with GT7 and I also play with a controller. I do own a wheel but not really a huge fan, that's just me. I don't take the "Game" that seriously so if they did ever focus around a wheel and nothing else then I would be disappointed. I will however say that in todays day and age, make the game for both, where's the hardship in that?
This is what happened to controller players with this update. I am a competitive controller player, doing League races. Up until the last update this was great. I wasnt as fast the best in the league, but the difference was pretty small. After this update, all the controller players in the league are way slower than the wheel guys. No chance anymore. At the moment i have no fun driving in leagues. I will wait and hope, that PD releases an update to change this. I know a few pad players, who uninstalled the game because of that..... Very frustrating
I haven't driven any race cars since the recent update, but i have driven with the consumer sports tires, with cars I've driven IRL, and those tires feel good to drive with, even with a controller. But I'd definitely prefer a wheel over a controller with GT7.
Your concerns are real. As I remember, Polyphony is owned by Sony. The in-game car prices are not fun for most people. Choosing cars are either purely random, but with priority on japan, or a big donor buys in. Not having a summary of all tracks ever introduced in the game or at least their own tracks is just random. The need to stay online and play the game is just random. I play GT since I was a kid, so GT 1 was the first. And since GT Sport I saw the monster polyphony has become. A big bad marketing company copying all the bad stuff other developers are doing for years. Polyphony is lost at this time in marketing. So - Yes, your concerns are real (they do what they like) and - No, because their marketing strategy and habit to be a "player" in the industry is pretty much important to them (I think) greetings
I just want them to Bring Back the Tire Smoke b4 the 1.49 patch, I use to be able to do a full length power skids up the front straight of Bathurst with my 65 Mini-Cooper with killa smoke, now it just sounds & looks like the car is in pain.....................
After the physics update I no longer feel pleasure driving the cars in the game, it's too much hassle and I suspected they would go the e-sports "Wheel Turismo" route with it because it is nearly undriveable on controller. I just wish they did a "choose your physics" toggle and if they really, truly made any difference, force them online which I don't care for after I get the trophy. Things staying as they are, I'll just boot my PS3 and play 1, 2, 5 and 6 again.
Once I started using wheels, I just can't go back to a controller. It's no where near the same. Controllers to me are for Need for Speed arcadey games.
I hear everyone praising the new physics, but for me I can barely feel the car. The weight, grip, the road, o feel nothing. Like the car is skating on ice
Controller player. Over 1300hrs logged. I'm within 3.0% of the world record TT's every week. The physics have never been better. The cars in-game handle much more like they they do in real life, and are far more intuitive on controller.
@DontForgetOldKolobok utter BS. Have you every seen a car bouncing along on the street while driving? I see AI doing it all the time. I've owned, and driven hard, a number of the vehicles in the game and they handle nothing like what is represented in 1.49
Many of my road cars lost 10 to 20 hp to keep them at the former pp. The Lexus VGT lost 60 and the Lexus Gr. 2 lost 80! I sure dislike 99% of the cars feel now.😵
I am one of those crazies who plays with no assists whatsoever on a controller. GT7 was always "meant" for a wheel, you cannot get the same level of precision for gold medals and challenges on a gamepad. What made me ultimately drop interest in the game was this issue among other things. I think with the release of the movie and with a ton of real-world tie-ins that directly affect gameplay rather than as cool easter eggs for car nerds, Gran Turismo is cashing in far more on its branding and marketing as some kinda lifestyle thing rather than as a pure "game". If GT8 is dropped because they cannot make it realisitic enough I dont think anyone will care because if you are persistent, you can find a GT4 ROM and use the PSX or whatever its called to emulate it with mods.
Maybe the update for wheel turning is better am not sure, i feel that they put more oversteer and they say that delay on wheel is more natural..Personaly i prefer faster wheel and control the car by feeling but i think that they change a lot the brake physic with abs point and that make difficult the game!!
The somewhat but not so real driving "simulator". That's as far as i can give it. As far as Tourist Trophy.....we put THOUSANDS of hours on it back in the day. Definitely was anticipating a sequel but with how Kaz and polyphony have been for the past few years, I wouldnt even care to buy into that anymore.
Guess I'm not the only one concerning about this, recent update makes it not enjoyable to play and grind. Once the tires going to red, the wheels spin out of control....
Hello HSG , its been a long time Im following you . I think the update physics it was good update overall . Maybe can be better . I want to ask you what is you re ‘ DR and SR . I mean average people that dont playing multiplayer or challenges maybe the last they dont like it at all . Only maybe the cars that they add inside there was fun of them . I dont know if you get my point but I think they made it a bit more realistic .
I think Kaz is starting to feel the pressure of the upcoming Assetto Corsa 2 "Evo" and it's almost certain debut on consoles in the near future and he's thinking that his game,his pride and joy, is going to fall behind (yet again) on the sim-racing scene 😕
Fall behind in what way? GT is Always the #1 selling racing game. Sim or other wise. People know what GT us and what to expect from it. ACC is competition is Iracing and the like.
After the update, the game feels amazing to drive. BUT... I have 25 real-world race car replicas (some of which are yours) and a good chuck of them have been destroyed by the update. I just can't figure out how to stop the cars from compressing and locking the front wheels when I turn. If I do stop them, they are way to stiff and wants to kill you. It's super annoying.
Edit: Now 33 real-world cars with 2 on the way
Edit 2: HELP. PLZ HELP. I can't stop making cars
Edit 3: I think im at 40 cars now
You might be bottoming out bro, try to raise your ride heights that’s usually the only reason my car flys into the nearest barricade on breaking
I found the ride height is a huge issue I have regarding this. I cannot run most cars below 20mm from lowest possible height.
@@ryanhiggins9797 happens even with max ride height on: evo v, evo vi, 99 viper, both r32s, amuse s2000. this happens even on stock suspension. this behavior was also observed prior to this physics fix for the bouncing samabuses
@@XxWarmancxX you have regular brakes?
@@ryanhiggins9797 brakes wouldn't change the fact that they bottom out the cars stock even. Upgrading them makes it worse, essentially forcing you into needing a wheel for any semblance of hope of controlling braking
The more realistic, the better. I want it to be as close to real as possible. If I wanted an arcade game, I would go play Forza.
There can be less realistic modes for casuals, but dont make me have to play that. Keep the controller though. The dual shock does good at simulating bumps and shifts and things. The wheel isn't as realistic as Id want because I cant feel the car. The controller is fine.
I really don't like the new physics. Like many I have had to tinker with car setups that I had perfected for months only to find I can never get them quite right! Quite a few cars are undriveable now as well.
I felt negative about the new physics too, and also the general direction that the game is going. Here is why - the cars are universally more understeering now, and I am not talking about tuned cars that now require further tuning, but rather the weekly online TT cars and the cars in the Circuit Experience, which is why I am inclined to believe in what was said in this video. In the recent weeks, the developers tend to give us cars with heavy understeer on tracks with lots of consecutive corners. In the case of the Subaru, it even intentionally up the power to make the understeer more profound and to make the car characteristics less predictable. The result of this is that for players on controllers such as myself, it would require even more detailed level of input to make the car drive-able (particularly the throttle input), and I am not even good at MT, so it is far worse for AT drivers as far as I can tell.
If you have tried the Nordschleife CE before, it used to be very slidy even if you put on ASM and countersteeting assists, but I now need to drive it with these assists off to really get the best out of it. I haven't tried that many cars since the update, and I will certainly feel annoyed if they are indeed doing so to push people to use a steering wheel
The engine swapped cars are undriveable it’s crazy and the pp rating after the 1.49 is messed up you can’t use certain cars you could’ve used for different events now!
Glad it's not just me. Hours and hours painstakingly tweaking car handling, suspension and diff settings to get handling how I like it.
Now: just miles and miles of chronic understeer. And I can't dial it out without stupid settings that destroy all balance and lap time. I can't get within a second or more of my previously set fastest laps with the same car. Madness.
This isn't an exaggeration; I've ditched the game totally. I didn't see the point, objectively, spending my free time being frustrated and annoyed. Why would I voluntarily do that? So I'm back on ACC and enjoying the experience far more.
@@typhoon-7 chassis reinforcement upgrades should help the new physics that take more into account suspension geometery changes as you're driving.
Oh so it's more difficult and naturally you cry about it....
The physics really improved the game. It just gets time to get used
Tuning is fine IF you have the data to understand what the car is doing and how your tuning has affected its behaviour on track - right now it's all based on feel and we have no idea why any change we make is good or bad.
True I am on a wheel and I have a lot of setups well before the update, and I have tested some but not all. They handle a bit different but that is ok because you can fix the behaviour of the car, so it's not all bad like some are saying they are all undriveable, and I am not playing the game until they fix it.
You make a great point for more data driven UI and charts to give us numeric feedback on a test lap, for example. That’d be fun.
The realism on AC was so hard that I had to read books on racing cars to not come last by over a lap. I don't think GT7 is anywhere near that level but the rotation I'm getting is much better now than ever before and I appreciate the update - and yes I have raised my ride heights because grounding out is now a big thing. If GT introduced tyre pressure and tyre temps (for all parts) we'd be more into pro territory
I may be wrong here, but I reckon that a good 80-90% of players use a controller. Wheels & Sim rigs are far from cheap, & a lot, if not a vast majority of players, can't afford this. If they focused on wheels more they would lose most of their players. Owning a wheel or Sim rig should be a bonus for you, lucky you, not a must, for ALL players. They could simply separate the online races to controller only or Wheel only races. They should also categorise races to assists ONLY, or NONE only. Not TCS or BB but menu Assists. Having people race with the menu Assists ON v players with none will AlLWAYS cause issues.
I race in A+ lobbies, and I like to look at replays and see if I can tell who has a wheel and who doesn’t. Most of the time it’s just me and maybe two other people in a 16 player lobby with wheels.
@@krdjmtcDoesn't surprise. I'm on controller & have no problem if I'm playing against wheel players or not, "Bloody controller players" is heard a lot on these streams & comments though 😂 I will sound like a broken record BUT, GT need to fix the format for online racing concerning ASSISTS. Countersteer assist, stability management, replace car after leaving track, braking area & indicator, driving line should all be MANDATORY OFF when racing ONLINE. Or have a race for those that want any of it on, separate.
Maybe not 90% but majority of players use controller that’s for sure e
People always focus on the money aspect but don't mention that a wheel setup is also just a big ball ache compared to controller too
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I don’t understand the need to overhaul the physics on GT7. Why not wait til GT8? To me the new physics have stripped identity that’s unique to GT7, further showing how schizophrenic this game has been.
GT Sport for all intents and purposes was a complete game at launch and worked as intended, it was greatly expanded upon over the years but the core of the game never changed. The core of GT7 (and what can be considered its core) has changed so much that it feels much more like an experiment at the players’ expense.
I feel like GT8 will be the GT7 that was “promised” when it was first announced and that GT7 will be remembered as a test tube.
Bro what? Gt sport had physics enhances . I remember that because they smashed all my times in licences .
GT Sport physics have been often changed. In fact, if you look at the 2017 replays compared to 2019+ replays, there's a BIG difference.
Gt8?
Your still a few years away from that
GT7 will be staying until 2027
They won't make another one for like 7 more years so waiting ain't an option for them. gt6 was out for 9 years.
GT7 has had an identity crisis since release, they seem to be trying to be all things to all players and failing to live up to anyone's expectations as a result.
I feel for your guys pain. As a PC racer for 15 years I haven't touched grns turismo since 02. However, after playing forza motorsports for a laugh I wondered how 2024 gran turismo would play, so I went ahead and bought a ps4 pro with gt7 and been playing it since the 1 50 update I have nothing but positive things to say. I've been left speechless, I have been blown away by how close it is to assetto corsa (imo) and most definitely leans further towards a sim than an arcade game (yes I'm looking at you forza motorsports) to me gt7 has become my favourite racer, no question. I'm now totally on board and loving every minute of it with one exception.. The absolute dogs hit music. Dear lord
I love GT7 with the gamepad. After hundreds of hours in Asseto Corsa VR on PC with a wheel, it's a breath of fresh air to be able to race on the couch and relax with the PSVR2 and the gamepad. I can race for 10 times longer using the gamepad opposed to the wheel.
Let the man cook, it will be all right.
I have a total of 13 cars with a broken pp system; 19 ZR1-max tune, 69 Z28-engineswap max tune, 70 Superbird-engineswap max tune, C2-max tune, 69 GTO "Judge"-max tune, 930-engineswap max tune, C3-max tune, C3 convertible-max tune, 89 ZR1-max tune, R32 V spec-max tune, 70 Super Bee-max tune, 65 GT350-max tune, C1-max tune.
Almost every corvette in the game, excluding the C6 ZR1, one skyline, 5 old American muscle and one Porsche.
Does anyone else have a similar issue with their cars?
Max tunes are broken for sure, but why are you building so many "maxxed" out cars? I think I've built one (R35 GTR) to max specs as a drag car, otherwise maxxed out cars are basically useless to me. I prefer racing cars that are +/- 100PP less than the competition.
Bro I've got like fifty. Half through glitching them when we still could and the rest just outright broken immediately after the update. Infuriating that they patched out the glitch but still didn't make any of the exclamation PP value go away
Yup it’s crazy and annoying!
Physics are phenomenal now, the slip angle on comfort tyres feels great!
Yeah but now soft do the same time of the medium after 3 laps of use
If the day come, I'll let it go. Something similar happened with Project Cars 3 and, I dropped the franchise. Project Cars 2 was a very good race sim, PC3 went full arcade when it dropped. That disappointed the entire fan base. But just moved on, didn't lose ANY sleep over it. As far as the physics change, I like the way it feels on controller. To me it feels more like you have to be smoother with your inputs and, I like that. If you've ever played any recent motorcycle racing games like the Motogp series or Ride, being very smooth with your inputs is key. I've always felt like Gran Turismo sould punish jarring controller inputs like slamming on breaks or abrupt acceleration, especially on different surfaces. But the rain physics still need a little more work.
Have noticed a couple cars break the PP system by just having racing tyres equipped which makes no sense (300SL for one example)
I messed around for ages trying to get rid of the error ! Icon and ruined my classic racecar build i’d made before the physics patch. Ive heard there’s handfuls of others who have experienced it on other vehicles.
Overall though I like the new physics mostly, feels a lot more challenging on Controller and i’m now really having to work for Gold time trail times, it definitely seems geared to wheels/sim rigs now as you said.
Do you mean when you get the red triangle and can't get a PP rating?...
I've played the game for around a year now and tuned many cars now and I had it happen when I tried to fit ultimate parts to the R32 Nismo...
I kind of fixed it one way, in which it wouldn't have been unusable in most races, but using bad tyres on the front wheels!
Sports or rain tyres on the front wheels with full racing tyres on the rear...
However the one thing that actually fixed the problem and let me use any tyres I want was fitting an LSD! 😯😀🤘 .
If that hadn't worked I was going to try a 4WD adjuster, brake balance controller and an anti lag kit, but as said an LSD was "all" it took - hopefully it fixes the problem for you! 😯😀🤘🤞 .
@@tanner1ie I do, but it depend on the part/car as to what breaks it, I always fully tune my cars as much as possible so they all have LSDs etc, but still you should be able to add any/all parts you want without it breaking the game, it’s flawed if not
I also did investigate to fix it by removing everything I could and readding one-by-one until it glitched it…and it was simply Racing tyres on some cars which is ridiculous
I'm part of a team and 2 of our faster drivers are really struggling with adapting to the new physics, whilst some of the slower guys have had no issues at all. A lot of it is down to driving style imo
They struggle because if you drive as it would be meant to do you get what everybody complain about: unnatural car behaviour. You can't delete (in my case) >5000 hours to adapt a devs mistake
I don’t think anything is out of possibility for Kaz quite frankly. GT Sport, as you pointed out, was such a step away from traditional GT that it shows that he almost doesn’t care about the fanbase. Certainly if he had it his way, his desires would come before the consumer. We just have to hope the commercial wing can reign him in as much as possible
I think that it is not that impossible that in the future they will go for a 2 game strategy based on the same engine and such for 2 types or racing games.... one for controller and casual gaming and one for steering wheel and more the pure realistic racing things. Just the difference between Dirt 4, 5 and Dirt Rally (2). One more casual and fun - the other realistic.
In a way they can add and use race tracks and cars for the realistic gaming experience - with some cars add that you can do for trackdays and such. And call it SPORTS.
While more roadbased cars and tracks - like a long awaited version of Drive Club - with controller friendly physics that you could play with a wheel for the more casual fan base. Gran Turismo (nr X)
Ofcourse with an upgrade you can have both versions and after your initial pay hopefully the updates are still free. Or that they have the Alpha game in SPORTS and you add GT x for a full game. (and still a heavy wheel based road cars engine) While if you just buy GT x you don't have acces to Sports.
I also forsee maybe in the future different packs for GT since their cars base is so large and different ... between historic or what they do now between before 00's and after 00's. That you have to buy the a seperate 'classic' edition to get updates for older cars.
After 1.49 I just waited for 1.50 because some cars were really broken. I initially was very annoyed to have to setup every tuned car all over again. But it was doable. Most were just related to the spring rate and compression/expansion levels. They all drive very stable again.
You see, after 1.49, I am much more optimistic about Gran Turismo than I ever was, cuz anything we can wish can come back, like Volvo coming back, the Super Silhouette, Eiger coming back, anything can return now, and the last update was very geared towards casual players rather than e-sport players, because Eiger is very hard to race above Gr.3, is a very narrow track with little to no run-off areas. And considering that Cape Ring is in the files of the game, I don't think a GT Sport 2 will happen just like you're saying.
Here's an idea in regards to the previous Special Projects: Once we know for absolute certain GT7 is done with updates, make a quickfire update video on the builds that's the most outdated. Parts are all the same (except maybe a few Ultimate Parts from before 2.0), it's just the changes to Suspension and Diff. It can be just the screenshots of said vehicles. It doesn't have to be all of them and I don't expect the video to get many views, but it's just for those few who still love driving those Builds and want to continue to enjoy them until GT8 rolls around.
A couple years after "GT7 is done with updates" the servers probably will be shut down. And most of the cars from those builds will be inaccessible for the new players. Coz both Legendary and Used dealerships are fully server-based. Cars produced before 2000 will be lost forever for those who don't have them.
And i highly doubt that they make a patch that will made this function a client-based. They never did it for GT5, and GT Sport also lost all it's online features including livery editor. You cannot even change a color of your car. The only thing they did for those game is the ability to have a local save. Same will happen for GT7. I wanna be wrong, but that's probably exactly what will happen.
I'm sure PD will come up with a solution after the lessons learned with Sport
I genuinely doubt Kaz could be bothered with such things, more likely sony and PD will do everything they can to make you buy gt8. Because let's be real gt8 won't be much different from the gt7 experience.
LET ME HAVE MY OPTIMISM DAMMIT!!
i havent touched the game since the new big update, im playing on controller and its horrendous, some cars just flat out dont fucking turn anymore or snap in random directions, and the steering has lost all feel and feels very slow to respond and mushy , even with all the sensitivities the whole way up. i dont understand why PD wont just leave the physics alone, they were perfect before
Umm I had no problems, sounds like you're overdriving the cars like you could before instead of smooth inputs.......
@@truckercowboyed2638 my inputs are just fine, i have over 2,000 hours played + nearly 50,000 ingame miles driven i know a physics inbalance when i feel one. cars such as the new E36 cannot physically be tuned correctly when fully upgraded, many others have said this too. some cars snap and the ones that dont just dont respond anywhere near as quickly or responsively.
@@shadowchrome_Are you getting a red triangle in the E36 when it's highly tuned?...
I got one in the R32 Nismo when I tried to fit ultimate parts on it...
I "fixed" first in one way that it really wasn't usable in most races (fitting sports or rain tyres on the front wheels and racing tyres on the rear, but of course you can't use sports tyres in pit stop races and you would destroy wet tyres in a dry race...)
But the one thing that actually fixed it was fitting an LSD!
If that doesn't work, things like a brake balance controller, anti lag kit or 4WD adjuster (not that an E36 can fit one) might also work, but to recap, bad front tyres or an LSD was enough to fix the problem and fit a max tune - hopefully the LSD works for you so you can use the car in all races! 😯😀🤘🤞 .
Yes it seems like they remove the feedback from cars, stiff cars got stiffer and jumpy cars got jumpier now you can’t even predict it
I find smoth inputs far harder on a controller. It was fine before but now it's just too twitchy to be fun It@@truckercowboyed2638
Reason i play gran turismo is because it isnt so real to the point where its undrivable like assesto corsa and it doesnt force you to drive in cabin view only like iracing. I have zero issues with it not being as realistic as it gets. I think the handling is good and i play with a controller
I might be crazy but D1 physics worked so good. The best period to me was D1 and when the Alfa Giulia GTA-m came. After that they fucked up everything... massive understeering, no mechanical grip, heavy rolling while braking, bad weight transfer (specially during braking), no traction, the feedback on the wheel sucks and it's so unprecise and now when you ride a kerb you will end literally flying + cars behaviours are even worse during braking. They got really a problem on the braking physics.
I hope they fix it and tend to get cars more neutral bc now many of them are nearly undrivable.
This Update also concernes me Not because of the same reasons as you but because so Many of my Cars became More or less useless with the new Update and its so much work to fix like 40 cars i Hope they fix this soon
I recently noticed my EVO 3 has started lifting the front end off the ground. I like the new physics.
im only an amateur, using a controller, but noticed that some corners are much simpler/smoother after the update…. on the le mans track, the last corner before the penalty section/area, and the last corner/hairpin on deep forest…. they used to be very difficult to navigate, at least for me, but now it goes smooth… but cant judge if its more realistic
GT7 is really sport 2.0 never meant for casual players. Single player campaign died in this game.
Game design is horrible and the updates are toward sport mode and car handling and other things.
The sky is falling! Nah, you have a right to feel that way. I have a wheel and rig setup and I use it about half the time. Sometimes I just want to sit down with the game pad and do my daily marathon or screw around with a tune. Other times I really get stuck in, using my rig, and race online etc.. If they were to go to wheel only, we would HAVE to have more affordable options in the sim space. It is getting better, I think? But even still a decent rig/wheel base is a good chunk of coin as it stands. Especially with the Fanatec fiasco right now and their future being uncertain.
I've had similar concerns too, especially when GT Sport was released and it was such a departure from previous titles. In the past GT has always been the perfect middle ground between arcade style and sim racers to me and I don't have the physical space, money or desire to have a wheel setup so I really hope it doesn't go in this direction. Gran Turismo has literally been a system seller in my case as I saved up for ages to get a PS2 just to play Gran Turismo 3 and I held off on a PS3 until there was a proper Gran Turismo game available for it. I'd hate to lose the classic elements of the series that I've always loved like all the weird and wacky cars you'd never see in other racing games or tuning ordinary everyday cars into monsters and the fact that you *can* get quite in depth with tuning if you want to but it's possible to get a full experience out of the game without a wheel or deep knowledge about camber angles etc. I don't think the overlords at Sony would be too pleased either if they shut out such a big portion of the customer base.
Its a bit hard to drive with a controller specially rwd driven cars. Hit a burn and trying to catch the power slide is harder now coz it snap oversteers. I hope a little improvement would help on the physics side.
GT is the best selling Playstation franchise. It would never be wheel and pedals only. it's a business matter
Agree 💯
It's the total disregard for players that had invested literally years into perfecting vehicle set-ups for a given races parameters (800pp for example) and then finding all that hard work thrown away as the result of a compulsory update.
It's not good enough.
And these PD fan boys who INSIST that the physics are now more realistic- no they are not.
I still see AI cars bouncing on track.
There are cars in game, that I have personally owned and driven hard, that will spin end on end when the brakes are touched.
Please, spare me, that is no where near "real life"
Wish they leave the psychics alone in Gr.3 it's very annoying having to keep retuning just to get back too lap times I 2as doing before update 1.49 happened.
What makes no sense to my eyes in a car racing game is the fact that Gran Turismo doesn't allow even minor changes in settings in the online races hosted every week.
That makes no sense.
Set-ups on cars are a big part of what makes races interesting (real world or not).
Gt Sport was very disapointing to me, in this regard.
And GT7 online A B C is the same bullshI7.
The 'no settings + BoP' way of 'racing' proves, to my eyes, that they do not want to leave the casual gamers on the side of the road. They just don't realize that some of them would be able to fine tune their cars better than they drive. And play with their sticks on par with guys with wheels.
Cars are still meaning 'freedom' to many of us:
No speed limit on the track.
No horsepower limit on your console. No settings limit.
This is my exact concern with the new update. Because my cars were so planted and then they weren't. And me and my son use a controller 🎮 and I thought this also
I also like playing racing games using a gamepad. Good point noticing that after this shitty physics update GT7 feels a lot like Project Cars.
Kaz should offer gamepad players an option to return to the old physics (before updates 1.49 and 1.50).
Since it's an always online game with lots of online connectivity and challenges, I doubt that that will happen...
Although they COULD let us play the game a bit like in FIFA games for around the last ten years, since "tactical" defending became mandatory in competitive/tanked online matches, however thankfully you can still use "legacy" defending in all offline modes and in online friendlies 😯😀 ...
However I reckon that even IF they let us switch between both physics models, we'd still had to use the new model in all the driving challenges, missions and licence tests (unless they would have two sets of target times, but it would probably get too confusing...).
All in, we're probably "stuck" with it unless things change back or go somewhere in the middle! 😯😀🤘 .
I love gt since the beginning. I'm still driving cars on gt7 with the old X and □ to accelerate and brake. R1 and R2 to shift gears up and down.
It’s a worth while trade off to have a more accurate simulator vs. most of my cars being broken pp wise. I’ll get them back to pace.
It's pretty obvious to me that GT Sport was a stop gap until they had enough content to make a numbered Gran Turismo game. There was either the option to create GT Sport or wait 7-8 years for a numbered GT game or I'd imagine that was the case.
Controllers are already at a huge disadvantage compared to wheel. After the new update it's nearly impossible to play properly without relearning everything. Now it's wheel focused, next it's gonna be rig focused. You think it won't happen? Think really hard about that thought
Am I the only one frustrated with massive power on understeer in this game now? On entry it’s better now but the on throttle dynamics make every car feel so under steer biased
The PP System is what worries me. More than the physics. It’s a total disaster. I have 7 glitched tunes so far. That are actually around 640pp yet one click to the right it drops under 600pp
I'm in the exact same boat. I planned to release a new set of my own Custom Projects slightly after the newest update, but the Physics have changed how the cars perform so much, that I'm back to square 1 with some of them. For me, it's not just higher level stuff. Even simple stuff has been drastically changed for me, so I'm holding off until at least the next update to see if they change anything, I would honestly prefer they just went back to the old model because on tarmac, it was near perfect for me (of course, I'm not a pro player, I play on controller lol).
I'd say this, if they let Kaz have his way with his game, the sales would plummet almost immediately. Not only would they lose their sales, they'd be forced to return money for so many people wanting a refund.
How do you justify this viewpoint?
Hahaha righto mate. Kaz knows what's better for the game compared to the sports mode obsessed Muppets who stream this game
@@NoThisIsJester Kaz is the reason GT went into this online sports mode direction
Agreed, a Good Proof for That is the fact That the worst GT in his Opinion which is GT4 is actually the best GT
Kaz is perfectionist, he shares a lot of character traits with Hideo who literally tried flew to close to the sun and then Konami pulled out funds. The same thing would be with Kaz. Sony knowing full well how badly sold gt sport, wouldn't let Kaz have his way with the new installments unless it was added as separate option something like hardcore mode in call of duty. You can play with physics adjusted to the controller or change them to full blown simulation that can work only with a rig. It would require few changes to multiplayer to prevent people playing with arcade physics to play with people who prefer simulation.
Hello 👋 from Ireland HSG love your savage videos I have a disability so I can't use a wheel 😊
To be fair I think 1.50 physics fix is better than anything before, also I don't think it's a controller killer making only wheels and paddles useable, PS4 and DS4 are dead for sure but PS5 and Dual Senses are fine. For all the road car builds being killed by new physics, it's time to accept that you can't really tune it that way, offering that low boundary doesn't mean it can work well with that.
Iv gone from bouncing between dr D and C To bouncing between dr C and B using a pad. So i aint moaning ha
To me, there is an advantage to having a rig. Especially when the rig is set up properly and the player is used to it.
I commented elsewhere - worrying me about a sort of pay to win situation.
I'd think a lot of people worry about their competitors serup to some degree. I see A+ I think wheel. But that's me.D E I think controller and wonder whether or not it's seen a wall at 20mph....
I ramble...
I'd happier if they split sport mode between controller and wheel.
New handling is great
I think they put a lot of focus on how the game feels on hand controllers, rather than neglect it, so there’s no reason to think they would let that slip. Especially when GT is one of the premier PS games for playstation and sells consoles. But I also think if they’re going to go to such lengths to provide a detailed model of the car the it should have an accurate DM as well rather than just ‘what’s fun.’ I’m pleased to see them trying to create accurate physics rather than just slew something more simplified between under and oversteer. The latest update is a bit confusing with setups, car tuning seems to be a lot more on/off in terms of drivability but when they’re on the cars do seem to behave the way you’d expect them to in real life, specifically in how you have to manage the throttle and can’t do video gamey stuff like full power exits. It’s nice to hit the brakes and notice the car wobble slightly like you’d expect it to. I have a controller and wheel and right now still have fun using both, so I don’t see where there should be any worry about things tilting wheel side. Kaz is going to Kaz but Sony still owns them and they’re not going to let him ruin a flagship for the general playstation population.
I think TT is a bit of a difficult case as well because rider stance has so much to do with how you handle and it’s really hard to fully simulate that with a controller. It was weird in TT and you basically settled on a specific maxed posture which felt very artificial and gamey, and maybe that’s what he’a talking about when he says he’d rather have TT set up for a full controller of some sort. I don’t even know what it would look like, some sort of full size tilting apparatus? I think it’s more of a design difficulty though. They have the same issues with cars but again I think they have stayed on top of translating controller input into expected steering response.
This was very well explained! You are so good at doing these types of videos!
I have given up playing online. Went from BS to DS as the driving is not fun and I rage quit 90% of my races... It just doesnt work!
you should try BeamNG, it has super in-depth realistic hardcore handling, but does still handle really good on controller
Ride hight is so important now
Glad it's not just me when I feel like older SP builds feel really skittish now due to the physics update. Been going up the list of these tunes and I've been spinning out quite a bit with the racing builds. I most recently tried the Porsche 961 build and ofc it was really skittish with RS tires, but I tried RH and it felt really stable; turned worse but I didn't lose control. Funny thing is I tried two racing builds I did drive before the recent revision with softs and they still felt good to drive: the Diablo JOTA and M3 Evo DTM. All in all, I'm glad I'm not just going crazy and I fully understand and support your decision not to have a special projects pack this month (not that I've even caught up yet lol)
The physics have only been changed twice in this title, it makes them money .
Had anyone noticed on the g29, the force feedback, torque and sensitivities, has to go up a couple of notches to even feel almost like you are connected to the car? And feedback from the wheels.
I would actually like them to do that... in all honesty.
The gt3 car physics are awful now. My 911 RSR was literal perfection before the update. Now it spins out if I touched a blade of grass smh
Yeah, I have about 5000 miles on my GR3 911 and it's much less planted on acceleration now. Haven't used it much since the update... but many other GR3 cars drive just fine. The 458 is fantastic.
@@focussportI agree with you both, the 911 is harder to driver. But it feels closer to how it does in ACC which people say is more realistic than gt7 so idk if that makes the physics “awful”
@@JelaniSuperI think what makes it awful is GT7 is a casual game that can be played on controller and wheel this makes its harder for the controller players which are the majority player base GT7 previous was the perfect combo of simcade as a whole
@@andrew1085 i have to disagree but that's just my opinion. I don't think the new physics changes affected one more than the other. In my experience you have to be a bit more precise and "careful" after the update but that applies to both wheel and controller.
If you use a bit of TCS it helps
I felt negative about the new physics, and also the general direction that the game is going. Here is why - the cars are universally more understeering now, and I am not talking about tuned cars that now require further tuning, but rather the weekly online TT cars and the cars in the Circuit Experience, which is why I am inclined to believe in what was said in this video.
In recent weeks, the developers tend to give us cars with heavy understeer on tracks with lots of consecutive corners (the upcoming TT is at Suzuka btw, and the S-curves will be a nightmare). In the case of the Subaru, they even intentionally up the power to make the understeer more profound and made the car much less predictable at different RPM range. The result of this is that for players on controllers such as myself, it would require even more detailed input to make the car drive-able (particularly the throttle input), and even worse for AT drivers like myself.
If you have tried the Nordschleife CE before, it used to be a bit slidy even if you put on ASM and countersteeting assists, but I now need to drive it with these assists off to really get the best out of it. I haven't tried that many cars since the update, and I will certainly feel annoyed if they are indeed doing so to push people to using a steering wheel
I agree with your assessment I feel gt7 heading to elite pro players
Sony only needs to look over the fence at Microsoft and the Forza series to know that racing games that lean toward the arcade end of the spectrum (Horizon) are measurably more popular than ones that lean toward the simulator end (Motorsport), even if you discount FM2023's myriad unforced errors. As a consequence, they're going to keep Kaz's leash rather tight.
Having said that, there are a few areas where I think Kaz could be allowed to go hog-wild without completely shutting out casuals. One would be allowing players to adjust suspension settings on each of a car's four corners (Not sure if the GT7 engine could even do that.), which would give us nerds more tools to optimize a setup (especially for ovals), but you could give people who aren't interested in going that deep the option to tick a box to automatically apply settings symmetrically left-to-right like they are now.
Since this last update most of cars I used to grind for easy money at Sardenga aren't nearly as good as they were. The only one that stayed a bit close is the Toyota s1050 but even that one is slower than before. Having a hard time recalibration my cars n also to get the same speed n handling. Not liking the update for these reasons.
It makes me wanna wait until the game has received its end of life patch before I even touch it. Don't want it changing on me part way through!
The way the game felt before the most recent handling update was perfect but now it most definitely does not feel great it is just good enough at this point.
Honestly Im not sure what the issue people are having is. I understand that the update may have broken some tunes, but I am also primarily a control pad player, and I haven't had any issues adapting to the way the cars drive now. I feel its actually easier in some cases than it was before as I am able to drive many more cars without traction control than before.
The 959 wheelies still 🙄 and very “skittish”
I personally don't think that the controller will go away entirely, I agree it comes down to sales and such, but I can see the game eventually being geared towards the wheel set up, in away you won't get the full game experience without the wheel
I hate how the wheel looks when you're using the controller, it looks so fake and wonky. Due to interpolation, the car is turning right, while the wheel is still pointing left lol, it's ghastly.
Cars have steering wheels , so it's absolutly logic as the technologie evolves to race on steering wheel. In my opinion a racing/driving "simulator" shouldn't be driveble on a controler. For controler they're alot of arcade games as NFS , etc...
As about the money thing... I guess that's the reason they keep allow "light damage" , gosting and all kind of assist in the ranked races as "Daily Races" , Manufactures Series , Nation Series , s.a.
Just a personal opinion , not ment to offend anyone.
I've owned a PS1, 2 and 3 purely because of Gran Turismo and its career mode. Never owned a PS4 or even touched Gran Turismo Sport down to what you've mentioned in your video. I'm not interested in playing online one single bit. Since PD have returned to their roots and old school fans of the game I've been happy with GT7 and I also play with a controller. I do own a wheel but not really a huge fan, that's just me. I don't take the "Game" that seriously so if they did ever focus around a wheel and nothing else then I would be disappointed. I will however say that in todays day and age, make the game for both, where's the hardship in that?
Wheel user here. My only dislike of the new physics is gr3 MR cars are horrible for me. The rear end is so loose when coming off the brakes.
This is what happened to controller players with this update. I am a competitive controller player, doing League races. Up until the last update this was great. I wasnt as fast the best in the league, but the difference was pretty small. After this update, all the controller players in the league are way slower than the wheel guys. No chance anymore. At the moment i have no fun driving in leagues. I will wait and hope, that PD releases an update to change this. I know a few pad players, who uninstalled the game because of that..... Very frustrating
I haven't driven any race cars since the recent update, but i have driven with the consumer sports tires, with cars I've driven IRL, and those tires feel good to drive with, even with a controller. But I'd definitely prefer a wheel over a controller with GT7.
Your concerns are real. As I remember, Polyphony is owned by Sony. The in-game car prices are not fun for most people. Choosing cars are either purely random, but with priority on japan, or a big donor buys in. Not having a summary of all tracks ever introduced in the game or at least their own tracks is just random.
The need to stay online and play the game is just random.
I play GT since I was a kid, so GT 1 was the first.
And since GT Sport I saw the monster polyphony has become.
A big bad marketing company copying all the bad stuff other developers are doing for years.
Polyphony is lost at this time in marketing. So - Yes, your concerns are real (they do what they like) and - No, because their marketing strategy and habit to be a "player" in the industry is pretty much important to them (I think)
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I just want them to Bring Back the Tire Smoke b4 the 1.49 patch,
I use to be able to do a full length power skids up the front straight of Bathurst with my 65 Mini-Cooper with killa smoke, now it just sounds & looks like the car is in pain.....................
I now drive like I'm cruising with my friends. Drive each car the way they want to be driven... The race is just happening for me...
so much damn understeer with this new model man. so irritating
After the physics update I no longer feel pleasure driving the cars in the game, it's too much hassle and I suspected they would go the e-sports "Wheel Turismo" route with it because it is nearly undriveable on controller. I just wish they did a "choose your physics" toggle and if they really, truly made any difference, force them online which I don't care for after I get the trophy. Things staying as they are, I'll just boot my PS3 and play 1, 2, 5 and 6 again.
Dare I say it? In a world with the RIDE series, we don't need a Tourist Trophy 2 to get our fix. Competition would be nice though
Once I started using wheels, I just can't go back to a controller. It's no where near the same. Controllers to me are for Need for Speed arcadey games.
I hear everyone praising the new physics, but for me I can barely feel the car. The weight, grip, the road, o feel nothing. Like the car is skating on ice
Controller player. Over 1300hrs logged. I'm within 3.0% of the world record TT's every week.
The physics have never been better. The cars in-game handle much more like they they do in real life, and are far more intuitive on controller.
Not for the 4WD cars, they all try to kill you the moment you touch the brake. I own a R32 GTR and it drive very far to game.
@DontForgetOldKolobok utter BS. Have you every seen a car bouncing along on the street while driving?
I see AI doing it all the time.
I've owned, and driven hard, a number of the vehicles in the game and they handle nothing like what is represented in 1.49
You are du.b, this game is nowhere near to real driving sim!! Cars dont behave like this in real life
@@DontForgetOldKolobok i agree
OT: Thoughts on TDUSC?
The game is still easey to pick up and play. My 4 year old is doing great using motion steer and hardly no assists.
A 4 year old should not be sat in front of a video game....
Interesting, I have zero issues re tuning "All my cars." The physical are much better.
Many of my road cars lost 10 to 20 hp to keep them at the former pp. The Lexus VGT lost 60 and the Lexus Gr. 2 lost 80! I sure dislike 99% of the cars feel now.😵
I'm here for the updates, because I think in the long run it'll help with the next GT game... as annoying as it may he sometimes.
I am one of those crazies who plays with no assists whatsoever on a controller. GT7 was always "meant" for a wheel, you cannot get the same level of precision for gold medals and challenges on a gamepad. What made me ultimately drop interest in the game was this issue among other things.
I think with the release of the movie and with a ton of real-world tie-ins that directly affect gameplay rather than as cool easter eggs for car nerds, Gran Turismo is cashing in far more on its branding and marketing as some kinda lifestyle thing rather than as a pure "game". If GT8 is dropped because they cannot make it realisitic enough I dont think anyone will care because if you are persistent, you can find a GT4 ROM and use the PSX or whatever its called to emulate it with mods.
Maybe the update for wheel turning is better am not sure, i feel that they put more oversteer and they say that delay on wheel is more natural..Personaly i prefer faster wheel and control the car by feeling but i think that they change a lot the brake physic with abs point and that make difficult the game!!
The somewhat but not so real driving "simulator". That's as far as i can give it.
As far as Tourist Trophy.....we put THOUSANDS of hours on it back in the day. Definitely was anticipating a sequel but with how Kaz and polyphony have been for the past few years, I wouldnt even care to buy into that anymore.
I cant believe how few people use a wheel and pedal set up. I haven't played a gt game on a controller since gt4.
Not everyone is a racing sim nerd who feel the need to invest in all the equipment 😂
@@Narcissistic_opinionation 🥱😏
At least this time they made physics better in my opinion,
Some cars are better, some are worse. Open wheel cars have no FFB, and there are still strange suspension/grip issues that effect a lot of cars.
@@focussport overall its better in my opinion.
What about the guy that can't afford the steering wheel rig❤???
Guess I'm not the only one concerning about this, recent update makes it not enjoyable to play and grind. Once the tires going to red, the wheels spin out of control....
Hello HSG , its been a long time Im following you . I think the update physics it was good update overall . Maybe can be better . I want to ask you what is you re ‘ DR and SR . I mean average people that dont playing multiplayer or challenges maybe the last they dont like it at all . Only maybe the cars that they add inside there was fun of them . I dont know if you get my point but I think they made it a bit more realistic .
At the end of my 50 run for the PS trophy, my DR is C, and SR is A. My journey up and down through it is all on the channel too
@@HSGAutomotive thanks for replying!
I'm loving the new physics right now...
I think Kaz is starting to feel the pressure of the upcoming Assetto Corsa 2 "Evo" and it's almost certain debut on consoles in the near future and he's thinking that his game,his pride and joy, is going to fall behind (yet again) on the sim-racing scene 😕
Fall behind in what way? GT is Always the #1 selling racing game. Sim or other wise. People know what GT us and what to expect from it. ACC is competition is Iracing and the like.