I saw the prior games at Allen FH. Bird v Va Tech. Arkie over Weber St (with player Ben Howland). Sycamore fans booed the hell outta Billy Packer when he appeared on the court for the pre-game.
@@chiefrief2940 . . . name rings a bell. Was he in the Arkansas band? Yes, we did heckle Larry Bird a lot! One of the Arkansas fans held up a sign that said “Flip the Bird.”
@@chiefrief2940 Oh MY! JOE REIFER! Yes, I DO remember him! In fact, he sat right next to me during that game! Watch the clips you might find him. He was as wound up as I was in the game! That was during our Freshman year at Arkansas. How is your dad doing these days? He was a red blooded Razorback fan all the way, and a pretty good Trombone player too. If he’s still around please tell him Clay Cartwright said hello!
Great game. Double team on bird throughout and he still manages to score over 30. There really wasn't another big time player on Indiana State that could make the other team pay for double teaming Bird. That's why teams rarely doubled Bird when he got into the NBA. Double Bird, he'd find the open man for an easy basket. For Arkansas, Sidney showed why he would go on to be one of the greats in the NBA.
76s an celtics always wanted 1st seed in east. That is because the bucks were the 3rd best team in east for 6 7 years. Moncreif, Marques Johnson, Jr. Bridgeman, Winters only had no low post scoring. The had Lanier at end of his career but his knees were shot.
I remember the game when Bird had 87 points 65 rebounds and 34 assists 26 steals and 19 blocks. And Moncreif has 64 points 45 rebounds 67 assists 33 steals and 15 blocks. In the first half. lol.
Agreed that the traveling call on Reed was bs. Zahn didn't try to challenge nor contest Heaton's layup he just stood there and watched him shoot albeit left-handed but damn put your hands up. Still a classic game to watch. Thanks for the upload.
Wrong, once U.S. REED stumbled to the ground he could not change the position he stood up in. He did. Its obvious. He had to stand straight up, and not move his leg one inch because he skidded slightly when he went down. He failed to do that. If you allow players to stand up and move their feet or even one foot after falling down and skidding, you will see them use that to their favor if they get trapped out there. Read the rulebook.
When I was in college, I went to a home game when Indiana State visited my school. Next thing I know this white guy was killing us. He must have scored 40 points. He scored inside. He scored long distance shots I had never heard of him before. It was Larry Bird. I always telling people when Bird was a pro that I thought he was a way better shooter than what he showed in the pros. In college he was sick good. And look at the swag. He was like a pro playing against kids
His pointer finger on his right hand was mangled in a softball game between the time of his last college game and when he signed his contract with the Celtics and started his NBA career. He said he never had the same feel for the ball. Multiple surgeries but it's still oddly bent.
2020 college basketball fan: “ College basketball has to have a shot clock and 3 pt line otherwise it’s SO BORING”. 1979 Bird and Moncrief: “Hold my beer.”
I met Steve Schall once, and if I'd remembered the end of this game, I would've asked him about him clearly calling timeout with a second to go. Back then the clock didn't stop on a made basket in the last minute. If they had had a chance with a second left, you never know what will happen.
very entertaining basketball, imo, better than the present game, no 3 pointers, no timeclock, just great basketball and lots of seniors. as a college soccer player who went to a national final, I can tell you that the diff between year 1 and year 2 is like being wet behind the ears, and being in charge, and that's just year 1 and 2, so being in a program for 4 years, well, you'd feel like a pro at that point, and the players in these games seem to know how to play, how not to foul, very few turnovers, lots of great shooting etc
It's extremely fortunate for everybody that Larry Bird left Indiana and Bobby Knight. Like John Wooden, Knight's teams always played in a very strict ridged disciplined team style with not a lot of wiggle room for Bird's free-form style and obvious talents. Knight would have stifled Bird, probably to the point that today we would probably have forgotten all about him. It happened to more than one of Knight's star players in the past. Indiana State's coaches were a PERFECT fit for Larry Bird.
Had season tickets for Bird's three years at ISU. Seen him lose 1 home game in three years!!! I loved Bob Knight and the Hoosiers, but couldn't agree with you more seattwa. I think Bird made the right decision to play at ISU. Anyhooo, it turned out okay for the both of them.
We'll never know, but we shouldn't underestimate Knight's genius. The only other player Knight coached who was nearly as as good as Bird was Isiah Thomas, and Knight showed some flexibility with Isiah, making him captain of the 1980-81 team midseason as a sophomore. Knight was too smart to not see Bird's talent, plus Bird would have been a natural lineup fit on the '76-'78 teams after (perhaps) sitting most of '75 as a freshman behind May and Green. It's obviously true that by Bird's staying at IU the amazing 1979 ISU story doesn't happen. However, it doesn't mean that Bird would not have excelled in the NBA, although it's also true that had he stayed at IU and been part of 1-3 national championship teams, he couldn't possibly have been hidden such that Auerbach could draft him for the Celtics a year early, meaning that he probably would have played elsewhere in the NBA. It's a fascinating counterfactual.
@@chrismorfas7515 If Larry stays at IU the Celtics don't get him. He doesn't set out a year and play college ball the year his HS class is NBA eligible. 77-78 and 78-79 Celtic teams were bad and Red wouldn't have had the option to wait on Larry. Whoever he would have drafted would not be Larry in 78. So we pretty much agree on the whole deal.
That's actually not true. Knight has spoken many times about Bird. As a player Knight knew exactly what he had in Bird. If Bird stays at Indiana they wouldn't have lost a game for 4 years. Knights failure with Bird was not recognizing that he needed help fitting in.
@@chrismorfas7515 I think part of what made Bird "Larry Bird" WAS his time at ISU. And his team. The entire experience, including staying to get his degree.
I was just thinking the same thing as I finished watching ISU vs Depaul Final Four game in which Bird had 35 points, but was called one time for a travel, which the announcers and myself believed was NOT a travel. But, the point is, they called things back then that were probably not travels whereas in today's NBA it is a joke and the referees LOOK THE OTHER WAY for most of the POS players.
@@dougcmelik2442 As would most of today's players, especially in the NBA. Back then, if you just looked like you might have traveled, you were called for it, and you didn't dare let your hand get anywhere near the side of the ball, while dribbling.
It's an ABA line, The Kentucky Cols played 14 games in 75-76 at the Riverfront Coliseum. I think it's 25', 22' in the corners, definitely longer than NBA. No cheap 3s then.
Actually - the two leagues (ABA & NBA) had merged by this point and the NBA didn't adopt it until 1979-80 season. I found this info tho: "While certain college basketball conferences experimented with it in the early '80s, the NCAA didn't universally implement a 3-point line until 1986, with high school basketball following suit a year later." This might be why the line is there.
LeBron, if you're watching, this is greatness. Imagine having to work with the existing team? You can't ask for trades. You can't have the coach replaced. You aren't wearing MJ's number. I'm sure it's unfathomable, but don't scratch your head too hard. Those plugs were expensive, remember.
Check out the video at 42:27. Hastings pulls off the PERFECT euro step, they call travel and, to the announcers - and anyone at the time - it seemed like an obvious travel.
Did you hate the call when ISU got called for being out of bounds and the ball given to Arkansas when we can clearly see the line that was stepped on was the 3 pt line on the court and not the outside boundary?
BTW... Thank you Troy for this. No foul I agree, but traveling call was wrong! Decided the game. Should have been a play on. US Reed didn't travel!!! This is when media began to influence.
I played back then ...that was traveling..when he fell with ball he could not get back up. Once he did it was traveling..he could have passed it off when he was on floor..cause once he fell he lost his dribble...when he gets up its traveling...that was rule...
Amazing difference between this and today's game! One half of play and they called so many walking/travelling violations-against the POTY and runner up POTY no less and the biggest difference-not a single 3 point shot!
Indiana State in this game showed it had more talent than just Bird. But it also was clear that the Sycamores' season likely would not have been undefeated had they played stronger teams, like Arkansas, and of course, Michigan State.
I'm not so sure. During this period of time the Missouri Valley Conference was extremely competitive. Any conference win on the road was a great win. My family moved to Terre Haute in 76. Was hearing a lot about this Bird guy at school. I finally decided to see what all the fuss was about and watched the local live broadcast of the NIT game at Houston. This would've been Bird's sophomore year. Bird was amazing and even though they lost the game, I would watch on tv, or listen on the radio, every second of every game for the next two years. Was fortunate enough to see a handful of games at Hulman Center. This was the most amazing season ever. And I'm really a football fan and have witnessed my team win multiple super bowls. But nothing compares to the ride the Sycamores took us on this season.
I found the answer "While certain college basketball conferences experimented with it in the early '80s, the NCAA didn't universally implement a 3-point line until 1986, with high school basketball following suit a year later." This must have been the court of a team in a conference that experimented with it. NBA didn't adopt it until the 1979-80 season.
52:11 Billy Packer was wrong here, and Jim Simpson tried to correct him without showing him up. Arkansas had committed six fouls. The next foul would have been the seventh and would have put Indiana State on the line.
the 81 finals mvp didn't get awarded to larry bird while the scoring from larry bird didn't equal the scoring from michael jordan and with help from robert parish and kevin mchale that caused the bulls to go 0-6 in the 86 and 87 playoffs vs the celtics
Larry, with his bad back & beginning Achilles problem, was the healthiest player on that 87 team when they swept the Bulls. McHale played on a broken foot & Parish with a sprained ankle.
My older brother and I went to this game. What a great game.
Jesus, what a game! Simpson and Packer were as genuinely excited as the crowd.
I was a junior at ISU in 1979 and have great memories of the Sycamores run in the tourney. One of the best times of my life.
Did you every meet Larry Bird
@@lov2spwage274 No I did not.
Bird playing center. And U.S. Reed winning the name game. This is a great upload.
Moncrief was stuck on an average team throughout his career. Yet he carried the bucks to the playoffs and was one of the best defenders in the NBA.
Bird vs. Moncrief rival was pretty damn good particularly in the pros during the regular season.
Moncrief was Defensive Player of the year 2 years in a row. Top 8 in MVP balloting 5 years in a row. And HOF. He was a great player in his own right.
Sidney Moncrief was a great basketball player in college and for the Bucks in the NBA. He was also a great defensive player.
NBA and College Hall of Fame. He was great.
March 17 1979. I was at the game. What a matchup. Bird v Moncrief.
I saw the prior games at Allen FH. Bird v Va Tech. Arkie over Weber St (with player Ben Howland). Sycamore fans booed the hell outta Billy Packer when he appeared on the court for the pre-game.
At what point did Bird get his broken thumb?
Didn't know any footage of this game was around. Fantastic
Hey! That shot of the crazy trombone player at 31:28 was me! Go Hogs!
Do you remember my dad, Joe Riefer? He told me some crazy stories about those days, and this game in particular heckling Bird.
@@chiefrief2940 . . . name rings a bell. Was he in the Arkansas band? Yes, we did heckle Larry Bird a lot! One of the Arkansas fans held up a sign that said “Flip the Bird.”
@@Razorusskie trombone player like yourself. He only spent a couple years in school, though.
@@chiefrief2940 Oh MY! JOE REIFER! Yes, I DO remember him! In fact, he sat right next to me during that game! Watch the clips you might find him. He was as wound up as I was in the game! That was during our Freshman year at Arkansas. How is your dad doing these days? He was a red blooded Razorback fan all the way, and a pretty good Trombone player too. If he’s still around please tell him Clay Cartwright said hello!
@@chiefrief2940, Riefer (March)madness?
Great game. Double team on bird throughout and he still manages to score over 30. There really wasn't another big time player on Indiana State that could make the other team pay for double teaming Bird. That's why teams rarely doubled Bird when he got into the NBA. Double Bird, he'd find the open man for an easy basket. For Arkansas, Sidney showed why he would go on to be one of the greats in the NBA.
1st of many post season match ups between Bird and Moncrief! Played in 83,84,86,87 in the NBA playoffs with Bird winning 3 of the 4 series!
76s an celtics always wanted 1st seed in east. That is because the bucks were the 3rd best team in east for 6 7 years. Moncreif, Marques Johnson, Jr. Bridgeman, Winters only had no low post scoring. The had Lanier at end of his career but his knees were shot.
I remember the game when Bird had 87 points 65 rebounds and 34 assists 26 steals and 19 blocks.
And Moncreif has 64 points 45 rebounds 67 assists 33 steals and 15 blocks.
In the first half. lol.
Agreed that the traveling call on Reed was bs. Zahn didn't try to challenge nor contest Heaton's layup he just stood there and watched him shoot albeit left-handed but damn put your hands up. Still a classic game to watch. Thanks for the upload.
Wrong, once U.S. REED stumbled to the ground he could not change the position he stood up in.
He did. Its obvious.
He had to stand straight up, and not move his leg one inch because he skidded slightly when he went down. He failed to do that.
If you allow players to stand up and move their feet or even one foot after falling down and skidding, you will see them use that to their favor if they get trapped out there.
Read the rulebook.
So cool! Thanks so much for posting this.
Bird took what was almost a jr college team all the way to the title game.
To me, this was the best game in the NCAA Tournament.
Thank's for posting these games Troy.
When I was in college, I went to a home game when Indiana State visited my school. Next thing I know this white guy was killing us. He must have scored 40 points. He scored inside. He scored long distance shots I had never heard of him before. It was Larry Bird. I always telling people when Bird was a pro that I thought he was a way better shooter than what he showed in the pros. In college he was sick good. And look at the swag. He was like a pro playing against kids
His pointer finger on his right hand was mangled in a softball game between the time of his last college game and when he signed his contract with the Celtics and started his NBA career. He said he never had the same feel for the ball. Multiple surgeries but it's still oddly bent.
2020 college basketball fan: “ College basketball has to have a shot clock and 3 pt line otherwise it’s SO BORING”.
1979 Bird and Moncrief: “Hold my beer.”
Good retort!
Well nobody thought so at THAT game!
I used to love watching college basketball only because i got to listen to Al McGuire.
@@natureboy1313 he was a good color man
I met Steve Schall once, and if I'd remembered the end of this game, I would've asked him about him clearly calling timeout with a second to go. Back then the clock didn't stop on a made basket in the last minute. If they had had a chance with a second left, you never know what will happen.
This game was played on the day i was born. March 17, (St. Patrick's Day) 1979
very entertaining basketball, imo, better than the present game, no 3 pointers, no timeclock, just great basketball and lots of seniors. as a college soccer player who went to a national final, I can tell you that the diff between year 1 and year 2 is like being wet behind the ears, and being in charge, and that's just year 1 and 2, so being in a program for 4 years, well, you'd feel like a pro at that point, and the players in these games seem to know how to play, how not to foul, very few turnovers, lots of great shooting etc
Nice upload any games before 1990 with Bird I like to watch
Indeed. Had bone spur surgery in both heels and missed the 1989 season. When he came back he was nowhere near the player he had been
It's extremely fortunate for everybody that Larry Bird left Indiana and Bobby Knight. Like John Wooden, Knight's teams always played in a very strict ridged disciplined team style with not a lot of wiggle room for Bird's free-form style and obvious talents. Knight would have stifled Bird, probably to the point that today we would probably have forgotten all about him. It happened to more than one of Knight's star players in the past. Indiana State's coaches were a PERFECT fit for Larry Bird.
Had season tickets for Bird's three years at ISU. Seen him lose 1 home game in three years!!! I loved Bob Knight and the Hoosiers, but couldn't agree with you more seattwa. I think Bird made the right decision to play at ISU. Anyhooo, it turned out okay for the both of them.
We'll never know, but we shouldn't underestimate Knight's genius. The only other player Knight coached who was nearly as as good as Bird was Isiah Thomas, and Knight showed some flexibility with Isiah, making him captain of the 1980-81 team midseason as a sophomore. Knight was too smart to not see Bird's talent, plus Bird would have been a natural lineup fit on the '76-'78 teams after (perhaps) sitting most of '75 as a freshman behind May and Green. It's obviously true that by Bird's staying at IU the amazing 1979 ISU story doesn't happen. However, it doesn't mean that Bird would not have excelled in the NBA, although it's also true that had he stayed at IU and been part of 1-3 national championship teams, he couldn't possibly have been hidden such that Auerbach could draft him for the Celtics a year early, meaning that he probably would have played elsewhere in the NBA. It's a fascinating counterfactual.
@@chrismorfas7515 If Larry stays at IU the Celtics don't get him. He doesn't set out a year and play college ball the year his HS class is NBA eligible. 77-78 and 78-79 Celtic teams were bad and Red wouldn't have had the option to wait on Larry. Whoever he would have drafted would not be Larry in 78. So we pretty much agree on the whole deal.
That's actually not true. Knight has spoken many times about Bird. As a player Knight knew exactly what he had in Bird. If Bird stays at Indiana they wouldn't have lost a game for 4 years. Knights failure with Bird was not recognizing that he needed help fitting in.
@@chrismorfas7515 I think part of what made Bird "Larry Bird" WAS his time at ISU. And his team.
The entire experience, including staying to get his degree.
Carl Nicks actually was drafted in the 1st round. After Bird left he averaged 26.8 a game his Senior season. Bird averaged 28.6 his Senior season.
LeBron in this game 20 touches 20 travels!
Lebron wasn’t even born in ‘79.
@@Razorusskie he is saying with this type of reffing, Bron Bron would be a turnover machine...
I was just thinking the same thing as I finished watching ISU vs Depaul Final Four game in which Bird had 35 points, but was called one time for a travel, which the announcers and myself believed was NOT a travel. But, the point is, they called things back then that were probably not travels whereas in today's NBA it is a joke and the referees LOOK THE OTHER WAY for most of the POS players.
@@earthshinestudios8736 Get out there and show them how it's done then lol
@@dougcmelik2442 As would most of today's players, especially in the NBA. Back then, if you just looked like you might have traveled, you were called for it, and you didn't dare let your hand get anywhere near the side of the ball, while dribbling.
That's an NBA 3 point line at the time, there was no 3 point line in college till 1987 when Steve Alford won the title.
It's an ABA line, The Kentucky Cols played 14 games in 75-76 at the Riverfront Coliseum. I think it's 25', 22' in the corners, definitely longer than NBA. No cheap 3s then.
Actually - the two leagues (ABA & NBA) had merged by this point and the NBA didn't adopt it until 1979-80 season. I found this info tho:
"While certain college basketball conferences experimented with it in the early '80s, the NCAA didn't universally implement a 3-point line until 1986, with high school basketball following suit a year later." This might be why the line is there.
Gracias!👍
Larry Bird ended up having a pretty decent NBA career.
I'm a die-hard Louisville cardinal fan and Everytime I see u.s. Reed I get upset!
lol, us hogs have had our ups and downs too.
Sorry Sidney, Bird was still the word !!!
1 more win in the final 4 would make it 33 in a row, is that why Bird chose the number 33?
Shows up in my recommended after Indiana State is ranked for the first time since 1979.
LeBron, if you're watching, this is greatness. Imagine having to work with the existing team? You can't ask for trades. You can't have the coach replaced. You aren't wearing MJ's number. I'm sure it's unfathomable, but don't scratch your head too hard. Those plugs were expensive, remember.
Bird was the word that night!
Basketball back then was a beautiful game - not like today.
Check out the video at 42:27. Hastings pulls off the PERFECT euro step, they call travel and, to the announcers - and anyone at the time - it seemed like an obvious travel.
Can you upload any of the games Bird played vs. Illinois State? There was some great games he had against them!
Wait...is the actual Ariana Grande account actually asking for 1970s Illinois State basketball videos?
Internet, man. Internet.
That missed tripping foul still kills me to this day.
I'd never watched that until just now, and I can see your point.
Wasn't a trip. Defender was in legal guarding position, Reed stepped on his foot. Even the announcers immediately recognized that it wasn't an a foul.
@@Jason-yp6ph Even if you don't call the foul, it wasn't a walk. That game broke my 13yo heart.
Defender tripped him but how the hell was that a travel? Just terrible.
29:38 is what you’re looking for
I've seen this ball game.
I didn't know Larry was such a great player.
Where u been for the last 40 yrs... North Korea?
Imagine birds stats with a shot clock? Teams sitting on the ball the last 2 minutes is crazy!
Wow! I didn't know Moncrief played against Larry in college!
Eddie Sutton! Former Creighton coach!
The walking call on Reed was bs. The defender extended his leg to undercut his path. Should've been a foul on State.
Did you hate the call when ISU got called for being out of bounds and the ball given to Arkansas when we can clearly see the line that was stepped on was the 3 pt line on the court and not the outside boundary?
@@cindyknudson2715how old are you? There was no 3 pt. line in 1979.
Larry's feet were so slow, yet they still call it traveling: 2:35
Bird actually had muscle tone back then.
Always did.
BTW... Thank you Troy for this. No foul I agree, but traveling call was wrong! Decided the game. Should have been a play on. US Reed didn't travel!!! This is when media began to influence.
I played back then ...that was traveling..when he fell with ball he could not get back up. Once he did it was traveling..he could have passed it off when he was on floor..cause once he fell he lost his dribble...when he gets up its traveling...that was rule...
I can't figure out why there was a 3 point line. NCAA 3 points didn't come into effect till 1987.
Gilbert #32 can get up!
Amazing difference between this and today's game! One half of play and they called so many walking/travelling violations-against the POTY and runner up POTY no less and the biggest difference-not a single 3 point shot!
It wasn't legal yet.
53:07 A nerd is a nerd, regardless of the era. (center with trumpet)
Notice the announcers only talk about the game.
Woman were so much hotter back in the 70s an 80s!
You mean someone else now notices what garbage females have become
DO tell!
Very natural
Poor moncreif already had knee brace on in college!
Does anybody know the Moncrief stats in this one?
Indiana State in this game showed it had more talent than just Bird. But it also was clear that the Sycamores' season likely would not have been undefeated had they played stronger teams, like Arkansas, and of course, Michigan State.
Larry had an off night against Michigan. He felt it b4 the game. It wouldn’t happen twice I’d bet money on it.
I'm not so sure. During this period of time the Missouri Valley Conference was extremely competitive. Any conference win on the road was a great win.
My family moved to Terre Haute in 76. Was hearing a lot about this Bird guy at school. I finally decided to see what all the fuss was about and watched the local live broadcast of the NIT game at Houston. This would've been Bird's sophomore year. Bird was amazing and even though they lost the game, I would watch on tv, or listen on the radio, every second of every game for the next two years. Was fortunate enough to see a handful of games at Hulman Center. This was the most amazing season ever. And I'm really a football fan and have witnessed my team win multiple super bowls. But nothing compares to the ride the Sycamores took us on this season.
Arkansas vs. Michigan State woulda been a much more competitive game...
29:39
why is there a three-point line in this arena during this game?
A pro team played there
@@Ryan2022 Would have had to be ABA because NBA didn't have the 3 point shot yet. And weren't the two leagues merged by this point?
Brandon - good question
I found the answer
"While certain college basketball conferences experimented with it in the early '80s, the NCAA didn't universally implement a 3-point line until 1986, with high school basketball following suit a year later." This must have been the court of a team in a conference that experimented with it. NBA didn't adopt it until the 1979-80 season.
The winning trip goes to...............Indiana State.
Wow, the charge/block call in college basketball was terribly officiated even 40 years ago...
Hogs got robbed with that phantom travel call. He tripped him but there actually wasn't a travel. Should have been Sid vs Magic
Indiana cheated us out of this game. That was a defensive foul that took U.S. Reed down, he didn't walk. He was tripped.
52:11 Billy Packer was wrong here, and Jim Simpson tried to correct him without showing him up. Arkansas had committed six fouls. The next foul would have been the seventh and would have put Indiana State on the line.
Packer was a douche even back then.
the 81 finals mvp didn't get awarded to larry bird while the scoring from larry bird didn't equal the scoring from michael jordan and with help from robert parish and kevin mchale that caused the bulls to go 0-6 in the 86 and 87 playoffs vs the celtics
Larry, with his bad back & beginning Achilles problem, was the healthiest player on that 87 team when they swept the Bulls. McHale played on a broken foot & Parish with a sprained ankle.
@@dutchtea8354 you make sense
Right or wrong
42:28 original eurostep!🤔
I mean 42:21
eurostep=travel
The foul he went up bird fell to ground no foul 2 shots bird trip moncreif no call wow mich state got em 2 games later sal lak cty ut
Clean block by Steve Schall on Bird @ 48:24 , Trip at 49:54 Bulls..t Refs must have been SEC refs
Sorry Sis turns out it is was the word
this bird kid is good for college but wont make much in nba
How did ISU win with that horrid officiating?
Bird played center in college?? Lol
Reed was fouled/tripped
All the walking calls are dumb.
#42
To this day I believe this game was rigged at the end. U.S. Reed DID NOT travel. NBC TV just wanted a Bird-Magic Final at ANY cost..smh
She stood up dude. That is traveling.
HE WAS FOULED. The defender stuck his foot right underneath him. Easy call that wasn't made
It wasn't rigged get over it.
Nicks even said after the game that he thought he was being called for a foul when he heard the whistle
I think so too Elder. Nicks fouled and Heaton traveled. Even turned their back when the Hogs tried to call a TO at 2 seconds.
The refs suck
best team didn't win this game
He sucked in this game
The foul on Schall at 10.27 was very iffy
The Refs are Horrible!!!🤢🤢🤮🤮