This was an awesome two parter!! Please remember not to spoil/foreshadow things going on in current seasons. My mods have been working overtime in the comments for the last one ❤
@@camannwordsmithexactly. A few videos ago (i think it for 'The Idiot's Lantern'), I remember someone commenting about things that are happening in recent episodes. They were more like theories, but still mentioning future events aren't necessarily. It doesn't help that what they were saying wasn't at all connected to the episode being reacted to, so it was definitely done carelessly...
@@camannwordsmith The main problem is that everyone has a different idea about what constitutes a spoiler, and virtually no one takes time to consider that other people's definitions are different from their own, and so they just spoil things without realizing.
21:10 Rose remembered/realised something very important: The Beast says "I shall never die!"... But Rose realises, "No... but you can still be *trapped*... as in, "imprisoned forever inside a Black Hole"...
Gabriel Woolf played the Beast he was in Dr Who in 1975 at a baddie connected to the Beast. He was in his 70’s here. Still working at 91 years old as a voice actor.
There's a door open/close noise used in these two episodes that was used in the original Doom games. I heard it and was instantly transported back into hell.
Yeah, it's from the Sound Ideas library...or wherever that was sourced from in the first place. I believe it was supposed to be some kind of futuristic motor malfunction, which was shortened.
12:24 well tbf it’s not really the Christian devil, it’s “the truth behind the myth.” The beast is what inspired all depictions and incarnations of the devil.
She had to make sure she killed him properly, send him absolutely and completely into the black hole. Toby was just the body, if she’d killed him then ans there in the ship it could have just gone and possessed one of the others. She had to make sure he was out of the rocket
Truly one of the most terrifying one-off villains of the series. The fact that you can be in a sci-fi setting and find the characters up against the literal devil is not something you'd normally expect.
Time Lords can take a beating. But in this case there was tech that allowed an air cushion to break the fall. This was a truly amazing episode. One of the best of series two.
A lot of people don’t get why rose shot the glass. If she shot toby the beast wouldve passed into someone else, sucking him into the black hole was the only way to truly kill it. She couldn’t care less if she or the others died trying to stop it, remember you said it yourself she’s becoming very doctor like.
The ancient Time Lord leader Rassilon did invent the Eye of Harmony by containing a black hole, and using it to power time travel. In essence, the TARDIS is powered by black holes.
Interesting thing in this episode: With the Doctor absent/out of contact, Rose is constantly being the morale booster/"positivity" booster/"trouble" shugger-off-er... no matter what occurs to the people/beings around her. That's a habit she's picked up from the Doctor. It's a characteristic of all of the NuWho Doctors, in fact.
So yeah, a TARDIS's powersource is literally a collapsed star forever on the verge of being a black hole. most of the lore around that was added in the 70s.
The part that always gets me is Rose even if the doctor was dead would have stayed. Her line is so heartbreaking "I'm telling you he's not... Even if he was how could I leave him? All on his own all the way down there." even if the doctor was dead she would have stayed so he wouldn't have to be alone... I'm fine... 😭😭😭😭😭😭
The writing and acting was top notch, The emotion and fear, showed through out 😮 I believe as a companion you would have jumped with the doctor and told " well get back in the pit" This was a terrifying episode 😳
6:12 The cable would _definitely_ have been very heavy. Remember, there was 10 miles of it. Assuming the cable was one inch diameter braided steel, which is fairly typical for elevators, the whole thing would have weighed 62 tons.
The CGI work on the devil holds up nicely in my opinion. Doctor Who CGI gets such a bad rep because it’s not “blockbuster level” BUT, I think many shots - not all - from the show hold up well after all this time. It’s a relatively small TV budget so all the effects had to be sparing.
Given what we know at this point in universe of what torchwood is (founded by queen victoria in tooth and claw to fight the doctor and other aliens, Harriet Jones using them in a christmas invasion, etc) i like to think that Cross Flane, representing the torchwood archives had some idea who the doctor was. Maybe not enough to knot he's a time lord but maybe enough to know that if a man in a blue box Given what we know at this point in universe of what torchwood is (founded by queen victoria in tooth and claw to fight the doctor and other aliens, Harriet Jones using them in a christmas invasion, etc) i like to think that Cross Flane, representing the torchwood archives had some idea who the doctor was. Maybe not enough to know he's a time lord but maybe enough to know that if a man in a blue box ever pops up, trust himever pops up, trust him
"Gravity schmavity" is such a Doctor Who way of explaining away how the TARDIS can do pretty much anything. I mean ofcourse, it makes sense. Obviously the TARDIS isnt affected by a tiny little issue like gravity, when the entire story is built around what a massive danger the gravity of the black hole is.
The whole idea of a stable orbit around a black hole being impossible is wrong too. Stay outside the event horizon and go fast enough then you can be in orbit - probably not a good idea though.
The Beast always reminded me of a villain from the old show, 8th Doctor. Fenric, which was meant to be an embodiment of evil that used imagery from theology (in his case Norse mythology) came from before the dawn of time and was trapped in a flask, while the Beast, also possibly from before time, was trapped by a mechanism using two vases of a similar shape to that flask. If you ever watch any old Who, I'd recommend The Curse of Fenric 🙂
The first time I watched these episodes, I interpreted the Beast in the pit as just a previous creature that the Beast spirit possessed and not its original body, but I think during a recent rewatch it sounded more like it was its original body.
This two parter really keeps you on your toes and makes you feel unsettled which i think is the idea. The Beast is never actually said to be the devil but its highly implied that it is. Even the Doctor doesnt acknowledge it being the devil which i think is a interesting idea cause even the doctor is unsettled by it. Although he accepts he exists
It's not exactly the Christian devil. This beast is the creature that all religions based the devil on, as The Doctor said it's the truth behind the myth. They arent outright saying the devil exists, but that this creature inspired that much fear that religions used his image and personality as the basis for the devil.
One of the first things tennants dr said in the Xmas special was (after his hand being cut off, regrew) he knew now what sort of a man he is, lucky....
It must be me, but I’ve never got the love for this two parter. Just your usual bog standard Doctor Who story IMO. As bad as the next episode is, I find it more enjoyable to watch than this two parter.
Nothing wrong with that, these episodes are my favourite story in all of Doctor Who incidentally - but that's good, we can't all walk around having the same opinions.
This was an awesome two parter!! Please remember not to spoil/foreshadow things going on in current seasons. My mods have been working overtime in the comments for the last one ❤
@@camannwordsmithexactly. A few videos ago (i think it for 'The Idiot's Lantern'), I remember someone commenting about things that are happening in recent episodes.
They were more like theories, but still mentioning future events aren't necessarily. It doesn't help that what they were saying wasn't at all connected to the episode being reacted to, so it was definitely done carelessly...
@@camannwordsmith The main problem is that everyone has a different idea about what constitutes a spoiler, and virtually no one takes time to consider that other people's definitions are different from their own, and so they just spoil things without realizing.
Mmm.. Emme, if you have not already seen "Cabin In The Woods", I'll definitely advise prioritizing it.
Sometime in near future, try to watch movie ' RRR '. It will be ur great entry to eastern cinema
The music in this episode is incredible. Murray Gold is a genius
"The scary sad music" is actually The Doctor's Theme. The single voice.
Indeed, and the orchestration here makes it sound more eerie than usual.
21:10 Rose remembered/realised something very important: The Beast says "I shall never die!"... But Rose realises, "No... but you can still be *trapped*... as in, "imprisoned forever inside a Black Hole"...
Unfortunately we now know that being trapped in a black hole isn't "forever" really
Gabriel Woolf played the Beast he was in Dr Who in 1975 at a baddie connected to the Beast. He was in his 70’s here. Still working at 91 years old as a voice actor.
Yeah…very recently too 😉
@@venerandoalamaresjr.8910did you not read the pinned comment?
@@eow4317 Oh I know, just wanna add onto it 😅
There's literally no evidence they're connected.
@@baaron7aside from Ruby's mum name-calling the beast?
I love Rose with the Ood - 10 minutes after meeting them she's like "What are your pronouns, and do you have a union?"
There's a door open/close noise used in these two episodes that was used in the original Doom games. I heard it and was instantly transported back into hell.
That sound, and the whip sound, get soooo much use in media and all I can ever think of is DOOM!
Yeah, it's from the Sound Ideas library...or wherever that was sourced from in the first place. I believe it was supposed to be some kind of futuristic motor malfunction, which was shortened.
12:24 well tbf it’s not really the Christian devil, it’s “the truth behind the myth.”
The beast is what inspired all depictions and incarnations of the devil.
She had to make sure she killed him properly, send him absolutely and completely into the black hole. Toby was just the body, if she’d killed him then ans there in the ship it could have just gone and possessed one of the others. She had to make sure he was out of the rocket
She really stepped up in this two parter.
Truly one of the most terrifying one-off villains of the series. The fact that you can be in a sci-fi setting and find the characters up against the literal devil is not something you'd normally expect.
Time Lords can take a beating. But in this case there was tech that allowed an air cushion to break the fall. This was a truly amazing episode. One of the best of series two.
A lot of people don’t get why rose shot the glass. If she shot toby the beast wouldve passed into someone else, sucking him into the black hole was the only way to truly kill it. She couldn’t care less if she or the others died trying to stop it, remember you said it yourself she’s becoming very doctor like.
"Myth is often based in truth" so an "evil alien" being the basis of the "devil" is believable. And this episode is good.
The ancient Time Lord leader Rassilon did invent the Eye of Harmony by containing a black hole, and using it to power time travel. In essence, the TARDIS is powered by black holes.
Interesting thing in this episode: With the Doctor absent/out of contact, Rose is constantly being the morale booster/"positivity" booster/"trouble" shugger-off-er... no matter what occurs to the people/beings around her.
That's a habit she's picked up from the Doctor. It's a characteristic of all of the NuWho Doctors, in fact.
So yeah, a TARDIS's powersource is literally a collapsed star forever on the verge of being a black hole. most of the lore around that was added in the 70s.
Officially the only 'Dr Who' Reaction channel ever to use the phrase "It's not like he's just sitting on his bum eating Bon Bons"!
“Oh, she knows.” SON OF A B…!!!!!!!!! SAY IT!!!😂
The part that always gets me is Rose even if the doctor was dead would have stayed. Her line is so heartbreaking "I'm telling you he's not... Even if he was how could I leave him? All on his own all the way down there." even if the doctor was dead she would have stayed so he wouldn't have to be alone... I'm fine... 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Terrific episode! We haven't had stuff like this for a long time now...
The writing and acting was top notch, The emotion and fear, showed through out 😮
I believe as a companion you would have jumped with the doctor and told " well get back in the pit"
This was a terrifying episode 😳
Sparked out is British slang for unconscious.
Spark out more than sparked out.
Huh neat. I mean knowing that now it makes sense. It's like saying lights out.
This 2-parter is one of my favourite stories. The stuff of legends!
Emme: "How do you deal with the devil?"
Cuphead: "Don't."
This is the one that introduced me to the show, and I was *hooked*
6:12 The cable would _definitely_ have been very heavy. Remember, there was 10 miles of it. Assuming the cable was one inch diameter braided steel, which is fairly typical for elevators, the whole thing would have weighed 62 tons.
The CGI work on the devil holds up nicely in my opinion.
Doctor Who CGI gets such a bad rep because it’s not “blockbuster level” BUT, I think many shots - not all - from the show hold up well after all this time. It’s a relatively small TV budget so all the effects had to be sparing.
Given what we know at this point in universe of what torchwood is (founded by queen victoria in tooth and claw to fight the doctor and other aliens, Harriet Jones using them in a christmas invasion, etc) i like to think that Cross Flane, representing the torchwood archives had some idea who the doctor was. Maybe not enough to knot he's a time lord but maybe enough to know that if a man in a blue box Given what we know at this point in universe of what torchwood is (founded by queen victoria in tooth and claw to fight the doctor and other aliens, Harriet Jones using them in a christmas invasion, etc) i like to think that Cross Flane, representing the torchwood archives had some idea who the doctor was. Maybe not enough to know he's a time lord but maybe enough to know that if a man in a blue box ever pops up, trust himever pops up, trust him
One of my favourite episodes
"Gravity schmavity" is such a Doctor Who way of explaining away how the TARDIS can do pretty much anything. I mean ofcourse, it makes sense. Obviously the TARDIS isnt affected by a tiny little issue like gravity, when the entire story is built around what a massive danger the gravity of the black hole is.
Mavity schmativity
The whole idea of a stable orbit around a black hole being impossible is wrong too. Stay outside the event horizon and go fast enough then you can be in orbit - probably not a good idea though.
The Tardis is literally powered by a black hole (well, a miniaturised copy of The Eye of Harmony).
I love how quickly we latched on to the "lets kill tobi" idea
Nobody:
Michael Scott: 20:42
LMAO
The Beast always reminded me of a villain from the old show, 8th Doctor. Fenric, which was meant to be an embodiment of evil that used imagery from theology (in his case Norse mythology) came from before the dawn of time and was trapped in a flask, while the Beast, also possibly from before time, was trapped by a mechanism using two vases of a similar shape to that flask. If you ever watch any old Who, I'd recommend The Curse of Fenric 🙂
Fantastic ending to the first two part Doctor Who story I ever saw
8:33 THE CALL OF THE VOID? I never made that connection.
You don't deal with the Devil, you dance with the Devil in the pale moonlight...
Or challenge him to a fiddle contest.
@@puppetpalclem Only in Georgia.
@@puppetpalclem Or a poker game on a Spanish Train.
YES!!! So appropriate for this week!!! THANKS for this!!!!
12:27 I like to think the last time we actually saw the real living Toby was when he was first possessed
The first time I watched these episodes, I interpreted the Beast in the pit as just a previous creature that the Beast spirit possessed and not its original body, but I think during a recent rewatch it sounded more like it was its original body.
12:20 lol worth a try. Love a good exorcist reference.
Fun two parter. Enjoyed your reaction to it.
You will love the rest of the series
No one: ...
Esme:"Kill Toby...do it."
So happy to see you're enjoying Doctor Who, can't wait to see more!
Your eyes when you saw the beast 😂 So good
"I'm too invested in this I'm distraught" 🤣 Pretty much sums me up as a whovian
One of my favorite episodes. Great to watch it again with you. All the best.....Rune
I've been know my many names,... Ralph, Tarquin, Buford, ... and Hortense !!!! 🤪
Excellent two parter. One of the best.
Loved your reaction.
Thank you so much 😁
So glad to see these episodes again, I've been a Dr Who fan since the days of Tom Baker. 👍
That thing the ood carry are their brains. I don’t remember if they have one or 2 brains.
The Doctor is in a spacesuit the only thing he can smell is his own farts.
Well... you can't kill the devil but buy time.
Exactly
This two parter really keeps you on your toes and makes you feel unsettled which i think is the idea. The Beast is never actually said to be the devil but its highly implied that it is. Even the Doctor doesnt acknowledge it being the devil which i think is a interesting idea cause even the doctor is unsettled by it. Although he accepts he exists
"Spark out" is London/English slang for "unconscious".
Thanks, Emme! ⏳ You'll hear a reference to the Ood even when you get to the current 'Doctor'.
What a g-Ood two parter! 😏
I also frequently re-watch Midnight Mass!
It’s so good!!!
Still one of my favourite stories in modern Who, topped only by one in Series 3. You'll know the one (and I can't wait for you to react to it!).
some of myn favourite episodes
They're in a vacuum. It probably didn't smell in the pit.
well down there was air...
@@Metzwerg74 Shell at the bottom.
Gravity schmavity mavity.
I was like number 666 on this video 😱
Saying “the power of Christ compelled you” would work realistically if we are facing Satan but in Doctor Who I don’t really think so
I request to react to 'Kalki 2898 AD' movie trailer. Also love ur reactions
You have to watch movies Equilibrium a Butterfly Effect.
It's not exactly the Christian devil. This beast is the creature that all religions based the devil on, as The Doctor said it's the truth behind the myth. They arent outright saying the devil exists, but that this creature inspired that much fear that religions used his image and personality as the basis for the devil.
They really lucked out with the Tardis being down there 😅
One of the first things tennants dr said in the Xmas special was (after his hand being cut off, regrew) he knew now what sort of a man he is, lucky....
👍❤️
Some seriously emotional episodes with the ood later on
The only thing I don’t like about this 2 parter is that they just make rondo characters appear out of nowhere to be killed
Mavity schmavity
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How did you even forget about the other security officers? You literally saw both of them in part 1!
"welcome in" your not british........lol
It must be me, but I’ve never got the love for this two parter. Just your usual bog standard Doctor Who story IMO.
As bad as the next episode is, I find it more enjoyable to watch than this two parter.
It's just you.
@@space1999 thanks for commenting, smart arse!
@@andrewroberts299 my pleasure.
It’s not just you. They’re meh for me
Nothing wrong with that, these episodes are my favourite story in all of Doctor Who incidentally - but that's good, we can't all walk around having the same opinions.