Doped Manzano EXPOSES Doping in Cycling Today
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มี.ค. 2024
- The doped Jesus Manzano was the cyclist who, by confessing his doping in 2004 in exchange for money in a Spanish newspaper, was able to uncover the Operación Puerto in which we saw how athletes like Jan Ullrich, Alejandro Valverde, Joseba Beloki or Ivan Basso, all of Lance Armstrong's rival cyclists in the EPOca, were totally doped up to the eyebrows. However, 20 years later he wanted to give his opinion on cycling today and monsters like Wout Van Aert Fall, Mathieu Van der Poel Tour of Flanders 2024, Tadej Pogacar or Jonas Vingegaard 2024. Manzano exposes them all.
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Manzano's words are Manzano's words. It does not mean that we agree, since we are in favor of clean cycling and it is EVIDENT that we are in the cleanest moment of cycling, without doping positives and with that great increase in the level of genetics, nutrition and materials, not to mention marginal gains.
The sarcasm is strong with this one. These aren't the dopers you're looking for.
Come on! There were no waxed chains in the EPO era.
You're totally right, doping is a thing of the past, it's great to finally have a clean peloton breaking old dopers records! "As clean as Greg Lemond!"
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Yes, since Armstrong was caught doping simply vanished from the face of the Earth never to be available again.
Having been duped by my "heroes" Pantani / Ullrich / Armstrong during my more gullible younger years, I no longer believe in the performances of today's cyclists. However, I still enjoy watching pro cycling - I just see it as a spectacle, a circus, a bit of fun not to be taken seriously. Glad to have found my home here amongst the other cynics 👍🤣
100% the same here
It's the same everywhere, well known heads of state are high on coke, which is omnipresent in political, media, finance and festive circles...
CEOs as well students use cocktails of amphetamines and caffeine to be more performant!
Even Musk admitted that he needs some "support" to keep his mood, etc.
Agreed but all sport is the same. Humans will cheat to win, not because they are cyclists but because the are human. All we can do is play along and be entertained
I'm not sure why my comments are being deleted, but it's not just sports, well known heads of states are using cocaine and amphetamines!
Media, finance, politicians, even students use cocktails of amphetamines and caffeine to be more performant....
This
Brilliant. As always you nail the "mentalidad" of various people here in Spain. I was a former Sports Journo in Ireland and live in the Poblenou district of Barcelona. Never have I experienced such a culture at ease with doping (esp in cycling) look at the recent bike race in Valencia when the testers showed up only 36 decided to finish, that gives you an idea of how deep it goes. My journalism was aimed at triathlon and a certain group of people had it out for me after an article that was about to be published (never was) so it shows you certain athletes, coaches, teams can still reach in and omerta those that speak out, like Manzano, whom I feel for. Amazing how in other countries some are rehabilitated (Miller) and yet go further south and you're ostracised completely (Italy/Spain)
That race in Valencia was insane, i saw comments of fans saying “it was because of the bad weather, people had a lot of wheel punctures” lame and funny at the same time
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Yes, the rabiit-hole goes deeper than the publics' perceptions can handle.
That even a Spanish Minister is dismissed, shows the reach of the Money that controls all Pro sports.
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You play the Rotten Game, collect your money and Shut Up !
It will never change.
As poor Manzano found out.
Another retrospective marvel… thank you. I chuckled every time you said the name Vicente Belda Vicedo 😀
2003 was probably my peak interest in the world of road cycling an Ulrich fan (what was I thinking…??? if only he could beat that nasty Lance) I was oblivious to the Mazano sideshow in the circus of professional road cycling.
Keep reminding us of past stories your work is important to ensure the current performances do not go to our heads. The cycling world is a seedy little business and it appears to be particularly whiffy in Spain… unless it’s their terrible drainage over there??
People who weren't following cycling back in those top fuel doping days don't have the vivid memory of all those dopers getting outed for several years in a row.
They are still doping today. It is a game of keeping the methods used ahead of testing.
@@dangurtler7177 I agree. The test programs and blood passport is mainly PR cover. The fans want to believe it's all natural talent, clean living, and hard work. The advertisers help push that image. It's really pretty interesting as an overall picture.
I just remember them all cheating but only 1 guy really taking a hit for it.
@@randallflat2010 I remember those tours in the post Lance years... It was a joke at the time. Like Rasmussen and vino and Landis... It was all just too obvious and comical.
@@randallflat2010 They did finally get Landis after he went too far during the TdF. But he was being praised for being open with his training that year and many believed that he was innocent. He was even collecting money from the gullible followers of professional cycling (of which there are still plenty).
Manzano should make a comeback, at VISMA. I think he and Tratnik are about the same age. So it wasn't JUMBO JUICE after all, it was VISMA Vitamins, guaranteed to turn any decent rider into a world beater (Laporte, Tratnik, now the great Jorgeson)
Manzano hasn’t friends. Even in Masters category they banned him
“Doesn’t even do his gardening well” 💀💀💀💀
Sport in general, cycling more than any other is, will never been clean. It's about money, profit, which super human performance helps sell. They really seem to be pushing it harder this year, which means bigger abuse 😔
Track and Field or fight sports are worse than cycling
And of course, bigger leagues of team sports like football or basketball
Bodybuilding takes the prize in terms of participants doping.
@@junkandcrapamen you bet. Their steroid cycles are insane
Everyone seems to hate a whistleblower..Or more accurately, it doesn't pay to be a whistleblower. That guy could have had a long career, with money, endorsements, and a better house. As a whistleblower, you sit on a lofty perch, but in the end, you only hurt yourself the most.
To many people, integrity outweighs wealth or fame. That's what compels them to be whistleblowers.
Doped video
And this video was made before all the 2024 Monument speed records were broken.
Manzano for president 😎
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We often overlook that in the period leading up to The Franco dictatorship Spain was essentially a third world country within the continent of Europe. Post General Franco Spains fragile ego has sought refuge in its sporting successes - successes gained at any cost. It’s national identity entwined with sporting success. There was never a chance that Operacion Puerto would ever amount to anything because to reveal the horrifying truth would strip away everything that “brand Spain” had done to shed its image of the poor man of Europe.
Abs, I live in Spain and you nailed it. There is a deep shame that in order to compete they make heroes out of blatant dopers (Indurain/Delgado/Valverde/Contador) just to hear Delgado on TV here is almost comical, nothing of his doping is ever brought up and every Spanish rider is "limpio" to ever degrees.
Talk about a nation living in denial.
Don't forget their tennis and football stars in that picture
@@jaspermeinema4830Yep, Nadal went after the French Sports minister feverishly and sued her, he won his case and then bleated on about how it damaged his "legacy" he's a complete fraud as are so many in this great country of Spain, where I now live.
Great comment and adds more perspective to the motivation of others. Love the comments that others bring to the channel certainly opens my mind and that’s a very good thing
@@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158 well, still waiting for all other athletes other than cyclists to be revealed of this Operacion Puerto. Probably will never come out..
Merck Co-Factor free radical , and Vitamin B12 Intramuscular ? Just saying .
MANZANO’s story is the BEST doping story in the history of cycling! He absolutely torched and then wiped out Team Kelme.
It's videos like these that truly shed light on the insidious and hideous nature of pro cycling. I get a kick out of making fun of the spectacle, but sometimes a reminder of actual lives ruined is needed to keep things in perspective. It's all fun and games until some guy injected with medications for dogs hits the deck.
The thing is, among professional sports, cycling is still relatively minor in regard to the money involved. So it's no real threat in the big picture to all the monied interests for cycling to be exposed for doping. Runners, baseball players, weight lifters, and bodybuilders are also exposed for doping fairly often - they are also relatively minor sports in terms of revenue generated. You'll note that American football and basketball are hardly ever exposed for doping, even though football players are much heavier than their counterparts 50 or more years ago (anabolic steroids?), and basketball players are freakishly tall and muscular compared to half a century ago. That is because football and basketball generate a lot of wealth for their owners and backers, and the gambling industry is only interested in winning, regardless of PED's needed to produce the wins. Yes, cycling has a history of doping, but it isn't unique among professional sports in that regard. It's just an easier target for prosecution than the more monied sports. And I personally think the current generation of cyclists are also doing PED's, albeit in a more sophisticated manner than 20+ years ago. Nutrition and training methods have also advanced considerably. How else are such young cyclists winning grand tours?
NBA monsters are so much doped than cycling ones. Space Jam is a great movie about that
@@curtvaughan2836 I largely agree with what you're saying. I believe that unions play a huge role in keeping a lid on doping in major league sports (which is a good thing), and the reasons for major doping scandals in cycling in the past has a lot to do with lack of funding (i.e. salaries) and loose lips. I'm sorry, I don't have time to elaborate right now, but I find this topic fascinating. I'll try to explain later.
The only thing I am not too sure about is how they exactly do it. Do they take substances that can’t be detected, do they bribe the testing staff, are positive tests just ignored or do they stop in time for tests? 🤷🏻♂️
One thing is doping. Next is matchfixing
Y’all are really going on about tramadol? I will say that the cycling today is way more entertaining than it was after the fallout from the early 2000’s.
There are a lot of funnier seasons than actual
2006, 2008, 2021, Horner winning a Vuelta at 42..
@@cyclinghighlightsI'm 60 and ride recreationally. My Tour de France victory will be in five years, when they get the cocktail right, we're almost there!
At least cycling is facing this dark part of it's history, but it is naive to imagine that cycling is alone in having this problem as any visit to the testing authorities website demonstrates.
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sometimes, folks, we choose our idols very very poorly.......you speak no clearer Truth....
When it comes to doping (and cheating), I think Spain is second to none in the world, even in a world with Russian athletes. From Gasol to Alonso, I do not trust any Spanish athlete from any sport, not today and not back in the day. The word "spanish" sums it up.
They dont run a Formula 1 car on 98.
Lets get real here. The speed is not increased in todays cycling on climbing - which is where EPO and bloodboosters are the main factor. The 2 guys pogacar and vingegaard who are a level above everyone else are still far behind the records that matter made between 1991-2006 ish. If they were popping EPO and pills like back then that simply wouldnt be the case, very likely pogacar and Vingegaard are greater talents than anyone in the 90s and are built better for climbing the sport is way bigger today has much bigger talent pool, and still the best of the best are far behind the 90s. They are still 1-2 minutes slower on the big climbs which is a massive difference. The gains are done on flat road. Now todays bikes are significantly more aero than they were and since 90% of the effort on flat goes to fight the wind, it is no miracle that they do a higher average speed today. But they are still significantly slower when it goes up. People can make fun of aero and marginal gains. But they matter more than doping can do on a flat course. For evidence we have Graham Obree an amateur beating the hour record with inventive aero positions, and self engineered bikes. While the classical Hour record with a 1970's bikes still are around the same mark as Eddy mercks did but in the record with new aero bikes allowed they are able to do an average of 5, 6 or even 7 km/h faster with the same effort exerted. You cannot dope for that much speed. Aero is way more important. So the only place races are faster is on the flat parts. Very very few records are broken on the known climbs used in the 90's and if so it is because the record hasnt been contested much at that time. Aero doesnt matter when it goes up or it matters very little. There it is weight that matters. And the weight hasnt changed except perhaps a little heavier than in the 90s But here we are talking grams not kgs.
So what to expect, it would be very very odd if the speed records on stages werent beaten given that both the stage lengths has been reduced in cycling in general + the bikes are simply faster on the flat and downhill and not just a little, quite a lot.
Im still waiting for a doping scandal for the last 8-10 years. Other than the very minimal things like 1 rider using tremadol - not increasing performance really, or a clenbutarol beef really a substance of minimal effect and its still 12 years since we heard that one. Or any doping programs exposed or anything like that. in the 90s we knew, a whole team got busted in 1998. It only took 3 years from armstrong to end his career to him being exposed with a lot of evidence. Pantani got exposed mid career, The other 90's stars all admitted use or were exposed within 10 years of their high performances.
A few riders have walked away with their name semi intact when we really know they were dopers, 1 of them is Indurain, but he quit before the talk of doping really went public he dodged the bullet.
If you go bakc and see interviews of riders in general getting questioned about EPO or doping in the 90s or 00s and watch their responses, and then see the riders today respond to doping questions, its night and day. You cant say much from just 1 rider on this but when you see the whole bunch of the 90s riders dodge the questions, or become annoyed or get aggressive. Compared to today where they dont really seem to mind much getting asked on a general level among riders. Its clear the sport has changed significantly.
Nice analysis. I would like to agree with you, but it's more fun to be cynical. 😊
Hmm that’s interesting but also there are another factors
For example, how many of that climbs were climbed by actual cyclists and in what ways?
Tourmalet, the most mythical, record down in 2023
Joux Plane wasn’t record for tactics and for motorbikes in the scene (but they beat the Funny Padun one)
They’re not slower in that climbs. Also, the EPOque was much longer with MIRCERA monsters Sella and Riccò flying in 2008 hahaha
Also, Indurain is protected because it’s Spaniard. Manzano confessed by vengeance but in Spain doping isn’t important for people, fans only want to win and whenever they lose others were doped but never they. They’re protected by politicians and big fortunes.
For example, they fired Olano from Vuelta España organization for positive in retroactive controls but they hired Escartin, another Ferrari client. Rafa Nadal with his TUE is a demigod and Indurain has the same status.
Finally, it’s obvious that people learn a lot about cases in the 90s (and remember that all of them appear only for venegance reasons, Festina Affair for Guimard, Lance USADA for Landis and taxes, Pantani for Mafia, Contador clembuterol for Lance/Vinokourov, all the big ones caught could be exposed but now they know how to make it, like in the 80s. Only doping positives in South America, isn’t credible)
I was under the impression these boys have been taking out old suspect KOM times for a while now. For example early on in his GT winning run, Poggy smashed Vinakourov and Mayo’s 2003 Col de Peyresourde KOM by nearly a minute, doing it into a headwind averaging 450w and 6.5w/kg for 24 minutes (a few other riders behind him also beat the old KOM)… That sounds bloody quick and painful.
Do you have any concrete evidence that pogi is doping? I’m not saying that he is not but i’m not saying he is because there isn’t any concrete evidence.
Did you actually listen to the bit about "destroyed evidence"?
@@pompeymonkey3271 about pogacar?
@thanosduckplease We didn’t said Pogacar is doped. But if we had the evidence about that, a lot of people will destroy that evidence like they did with Manzano. You’ve to be a crap person like Lance for being caught at that level and have a lot of enemies
@@cyclinghighlights That's fair but I have a hard time saying that someone is doping without concrete evidence. I'm not going to deny the fact that there very well could be doping but unless there is concrete evidence im not going to insinuate or accuse anyone. there is some sort of chance that maybe it is the better technology or nutrition or genetics. I have not seen conclusive evidence to proven the former nor the latter so Im kind of sitting in the dark here. Also your videos are hilarious.
@thanosduckplease that’s the point. Enjoy the races and also the videos with legendary performances such as Foliforov and Najar
Think you would only get a pro contract if they had good idea you already are taking something to perform the way you are .They can never say they forced it on you . Remember Lance tryed his best to get Kelme main man next season for tour and did.
Pro sports!
You need to dope before you get your passport! Otherwise your regular values will enter this and you can't enter the sport as a genetical miracle...
That might also be a reason why it is so easy to be a very good cyclist coming from other sports and you will get your fresh "base values" tested after years of PED. Even if you take steroids etc. at younger age it will forever change your performance (and of course it can do enormous damage to your organs). I don't think sports with that much money in it will ever be clean. I think the current level of doping in professional cycling is alright though. People are monitored more closely to keep the risk in check and the races are fun to watch. Unfortunately it will stay impossible for clean athletes to compete.
PRO 😂😂Cycling is a joke!! Shame but very true!
They may be reaching the speeds to break the records but aren’t even close to the Watts they were doing in the EPO era. And the nutrition has got a lot better, they are now rigorously in training and racing consuming 120g carbs/h, they were maybe doing 30g carbs/h 5-10 years ago that’s why there was another big jump in the last few years, the benefit especially for the recovery from better nutrition can’t be understated . Of course that doesn’t mean that everyone is clean, because they do also catch people from time to time. But what did Jonas do on the Col de la Loze? 6 W/kg for 47min or so? Yeah that’s impressive but compare that to 7 W/kg for 1h+ from Pantani or Armstrong that is peanuts
Best w/kg ever was the legendary Bald Dane in Hautacam 1996 in a sunny day with only that climb, 6,88 w/kg
Of course, worst nutrition, bikes of 9 kg and a guy full of epo and blood transfusions
Jonas Made some climbs at 7w/kg but in shorter climbs.
And yes, it’s logic also eat better now than 10 yrs ago with Cris Horner McDonald’s diet!
(Except if you’re VdP and sleep in Kolobnev hotel)
just wondering why Lemond hasn't charged after today's cyclists like he did Armstrong, I felt like that guy was literally bitching about Lance every day, every chance he got, all these dudes today are having similar results, ridiculous numbers, even so obvious they're charging out and winning stages by themselves with 80km to go...where are you Greg? Are you fine with it because they're not Americans and don't put your "legacy" in danger? What happens if Sepp Kuss starts having results, is he the next Lemond victim? Maybe it's just that every single rider is clean these days and are having all these superhuman phenomenal results completely naturally, yeah, maybe that's it!!!!!1111 /facepalm
I think that having coincided both in time, one when he was already without EPO and out of the game and the other inside the game and with EPO and having more fame, fortune.... However, I see that LeMond puts a lot of emphasis on what many have resented about Lance and what he has really fallen for, his bully alpha male position. I don't like Lance, but you have to admit the guy is a shark and he has his good stuff too to hate him so much.
You may not have seen some of Greg’s recent interviews here on TH-cam. He clearly thinks many are mechanical doping like a motor built in to the bike. Chris Frome, Cancelara etc he thinks they are doing this.
This would be like: this is FAKE news. But letˋs post it anyway😢 And you are good at posting fake “news”. Just like Trump.🤦♂️😩
What fake news?
@@cyclinghighlights Just like Trump would say
@@2200bronx Are you suggesting I’m a friend of Prince Andrew?
Boring! Old news…….yawn 🥱
*all pro sports* use PEDs to some degree. The human body is an amazing machine which still requires HARD WORK to perform at its peak. HOWEVER…it has its limit and then…in the words of famous Eric Clapton, “when the day is done and you want to ride on…COCAINE.”
Specifically cycling: 3000+kms in 21 days, thousands of meters in elevation gain at Peloton race pace. = LOTS O FUEL ⛽️ ADDITIVES.
I love the sport regardless….but c’mon….700+ watts for more than 20mins to finish a SOLO win at Strade Bianci this year…clean 🧼??? Nope. It’s ALL DOPED UP.
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Very few realize that doping has never stopped in cycling and I am convinced they are doped now more than ever. I spent a night with Floyd Landis back when Team Sky was dominating and I was convinced Sky was doped and Floyd agreed. He said "nothing has changed" It is the same as it was when he was cycling. He then said if I knew my efforts of exposing doping would accomplish nothing in stopping it, I may not have come out. He then said in exasperation, they should let them all do what they want (meaning just let them dope). I love your work by the way and watch all of your videos@@cyclinghighlights