Well, from what I heard WB wanted Man of Steel to be Superman's Batman Begins. To the point they even brought the team behind that. They wanted Alien Batman, Amazonian Batman, Speedy Batman, Aqua Batman, Cyborg Batman etc. Sadly, WB and DC can't seem to think of anything interesting to do with Superman besides making him evil.
Superman's super hearing isn't just frustrating it's also traumatic. Imagine hearing someone about to be stabbed while another person is about to get hit by a car. Then having to choose which one to save. The ability to maintain his sanity is a power in itself. These dilemmas and moral complexities are super compelling. Superman is a fascinating character when in the hands of a great writer that can challenge him in these ways.
That that fast ? What about the time he flew across the DC universe BEFORE Lois Lane's heart could beat ones ? He is so fast that space and time doesn't even effect him anymore.
My father is the one who helped me remember why supes works. I was explaining that I thought he was boring because superman only has like one weakness. My dad simply said, "but not really, his real one is people." I thought on that and realized he's right. Superman cares deeply about people and is stuck in a world that doesn't.
That “weakness to people” to me is why I honestly love the Cavill version in the recent movies. Same with Reeve and Routh, of course. They all fundamentally understand that he’s a people person in a world that doesn’t care about people, and he struggles with that quite a lot.
The same thing happened to me last year. I always liked Superman, but I didn't *get* Superman. And last year, consuming a lot of Superman media... I finally understand the Man of Steel.
I never stop loving the character, even when I was a kid I actually enjoy the man of steel and I was introduced to the character in Superman animated series and Superman returns
I completly agree. I also hated Superman because of Injustice. But after watching 'Superman & Lois', 'My Adventures With Superman', 'Batman and Superman: Battle of the Super Sons' and 'Legion of Super Heroes', it has completely reinvigorated my love for the character.
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω First of all, yes I did. Second of all, I was a child. You very easily get influenced by the idea of who a fictional character is by one bad adaptation.
Everyone seems to have their own critique of what a character should be and with Superman it’s rather polarising. When I was a little kid I used to watch the old serial animated superman show where his costume was darker and he was a silent yet vigilante hero who was a beacon of hope in a world of peril. There was a dramatic flair to superman that I think the reeves movies sadly lost because they focused on the charm and benevolence that superman is best known for. Cavill embodied the traits of the original superman from that old cartoon and that’s why he’s my favourite. I actually prefer a broody, gloomy, yet vigilant superman. I see superman as an alien not a some farm boy from Kansas. Turning superman into a patriotic American hero is flanderization and that’s not how I perceive him to be.
This is why the Christopher Reeve movie is so iconic. That scene where he's having a conversation with his Jor-El after his first night really puts into perspective what this guy has to go through. All you need to do is watch that and you can write a really compelling dramatic storyline for him sandwiched by spectacular action, a touch of romance and some lighthearted humor.
I’ve always like super man growing up, wasnt my fav but only since like two years ago, I’ve had an affinity towards him. I was depressed and Batman has that connotation but not always , so I shifted into superman. And man, his faith, morals and hope made me love the character so much. The general public love the SUPERman but like me and u and every one else we love the superMAN. Also, I’m currently reading that Dawn of dc superman comic and I love it. I recommend reading: - Superman for all seasons - Superman American Alien( one of the issues has Clark and friends discussing his purpose of being superman love it 🥰) - Superman rebirth 2016 - superman up in the sky
i’m currently reading superman: secret identity, it’s just a 4 part miniseries and i’m not quite done yet but it’s super interesting and feels like a love letter to not only the character but his impact and what he means to culture (in a kinda meta-textual way that’s vaguely similar to spider-verse). it’s relatively underrated and i’d definitely recommend it, and if you’ve never heard of it i’d recommend going in blind.
If Kevin Feige can make a “boring” character like Captain America into one of the most beloved superheroes ever, James Gunn can do the same for Superman.
For most of my life, I've always viewed Superman as "The Icon" and not as an actual character. I've always had respect for him from a historical standpoint, but for the most part, I saw him as more as an object and less as a tangible person . . . My entire perception of Superman has changed *COMPLETELY* with the advent of the animated series, "My Adventures with Superman." Superman in MAWS is a fascinating character! He's so kind and charming, but he's also sympathetic and surprisingly complex, which I really appreciate. While I'm a casual comic book collector, I've mostly disregarded a majority of Superman comics, so I'm not that familiar with his stories or depictions in the comics, but from what I understand, many die-hard Superman fans (Those who actively read Superman comics) consider MAWS's take on Superman, himself, as one of the most accurate depictions of the character. In the wake of MAWS, I've been going down a huge Superman rabbit hole, going out of my way to read more Superman comics (I read John Byrne's "Superman: The Man of Steel", "Superman: Peace on Earth", and "All-Star Superman" for the first time last year), exposing myself to "good" Superman adaptations in other media (I've been watching the 90's "Superman: The Animated Series" for the very first time this year in between new MAWS episodes), and overall expanding my knowledge on his lore in the DC Universe. I've never felt more inspired and passionate about Superman at any other point in my life and I owe it all to MAWS for enlightening me. For me, personally, MAWS single-handedly saved ANY shred of hope I had for the character, especially after being utterly disappointed by how terrible his character was handled in the DCEU (Thank God THAT mess is finally over!). MAWS Superman is the Superman I never knew I wanted and I'm so thankful for it. MAWS Superman is the first modern adaptation of Superman, or ANY superhero adaptation in recent memory, to make me feel legitimately happy and hopeful for the first time in a real long while. :)
I highly recommend Superman and Lois. Best Superman content to do date. The show is extremely comic accurate both in terms of his core principles, personality and action wise.
To anyone who wants a good introductory comic showing why Supes is possibly the best superhero, I highly recommend "Up in the Sky" by Tom King. Premise: Supes have to rescue a little girl kidnapped by aliens. But its easily one of the best superman books.
Heck my favorite Superman story is actually from rebirth with Clark Kent & Lois lane as husband and wife raising there son Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self learning how to control his powers and being a great hero which freaking fantastic in my opinion.
that take in how the Snyder movies aren't a good depiction of the most interesting versions of Superman has been the collective opinion of people who prefer a good old Heroic Superman. welcome to the club.
Everyone seems to have their own critique of what a character should be and with Superman it’s rather polarising. When I was a little kid I used to watch the old serial animated superman show where his costume was darker and he was a silent yet vigilante hero who was a beacon of hope in a world of peril. There was a dramatic flair to superman that I think the reeves movies sadly lost because they focused on the charm and benevolence that superman is best known for. Cavill embodied the traits of the original superman from that old cartoon and that’s why he’s my favourite. I actually prefer a broody, gloomy, yet vigilant superman. I see superman as an alien not a some farm boy from Kansas. Turning superman into a patriotic American hero is flanderization and that’s not how I perceive him to be.
@@master-of-mind5881 flanderization is the idea of turning a character away from their creators intended personality for them. And Superman was created TO BE a farm boy from Kansas. The things that do that aren’t flanderizing superman, you like a flanderized Superman
@@master-of-mind5881 its kinda funny that your reffer it as "THAT OLD SHOW", insted of something logical as the superman animated series that were made by the same people who made the batman's. In that show superman wasn't the most charming but he was still the most mature and comprehesive of all heroes in the justice league, and even when he wasn't playing nice he was still trying his best finding to solve everything with fear and violence like batman. He wasn't a "vilagente". Saying that superman good wild and light attitud is "flanderization" thats like asying that spiderman "friendly neighborhood" personality is boring and he should be an elitist asshole like Miguel O hara
1:38 Something relevant to discuss is that you can generate a lot of conflict in Superman stories without having his villains be overpowered/remove Clark’s powers, by focusing on Superman trying to avoid collateral damage. A villain doesn’t need to be stronger than Superman to cause conflict, they just need to endanger civilians enough so Clark needs to think out how to rescue people while causing as little collateral damage as possible. Superman works really well as a fire-and-rescue guy, and the story can be interesting if Clark has to plan how he will rescue people instead of just punching his problems into submission.
I followed a very similar path as you with my Superman Fandom. Loved him as a kid, started to believe all those common criticisms as a teenager, and then I read DC Rebirth Superman when it came out, and I fell in love with him all over again.
Great video man!👍🏿That's right Superman was NEVER boring! He's always been very interesting as a superhero and I should know cause I've always loved him since first watching him on my old VHS cartoon tape during my late 80's childhood. Besides there's always been more to him than just his powers, its also what he's always represented as a superhero for years...HOPE TRUTH & JUSTICE!!! And also real goodness in the real world. Also there have been times when he didn't have his powers but still managed and still proven himself to be quite a survivor. He also has a big brain himself and knows how and when to strategize too just as Batman does. Those who say he's boring these days just don't know him as well as they think and sometimes its those recent evil versions of Superman that make them get the wrong idea about him. Anyway I hope this new "Superman: Legacy" movie coming will prove to be a great success when it comes!
That's actually the exact same thing that happened to me. I loved the classic films growing up, then lost interest in the character, but after Gunn announced he'd be doing I realized just how beautiful the character is and how important he is to not only comic book culture, but pop culture as well.
I always felt Superman being boring was a misconception. We need the real Superman more than ever! Seriously though, it already feels like the evil-Superman trope has been done to death.
I never stopped loving Superman. I also never thought he was boring. His powers are great, but the best part of Superman is that despite his powers, he's just a good guy who wants to help people and try to do the right thing. That's what's needed from the character in this world, now more than ever. I get frustrated with Zack Snyder's take on Superman because of how it not only fails to understand Superman, but it goes against the morals and ideals Superman stands for. Not to mention how overused the evil Superman trope has been as of late. Making Superman evil doesn't make him any more interesting. Good Superman is better and much more needed.
Everyone seems to have their own critique of what a character should be and with Superman it’s rather polarising. When I was a little kid I used to watch the old serial animated superman show where his costume was darker and he was a silent yet vigilante hero who was a beacon of hope in a world of peril. There was a dramatic flair to superman that I think the reeves movies sadly lost because they focused on the charm and benevolence that superman is best known for. Cavill embodied the traits of the original superman from that old cartoon and that’s why he’s my favourite. I actually prefer a broody, gloomy, yet vigilant superman. I see superman as an alien not a some farm boy from Kansas. Turning superman into a patriotic American hero is flanderization and that’s not how I perceive him to be.
A couple of things: 1. This video is amazing 2. I hate what Injustice and Snyder did to supermans image 3. Injustice Superman was manipulated and controlled by Wonder Woman into essentially being her puppet 4. I love seeing everyone give Clark his due diligence 5. Thank God for MAWS and James Gunns Superman And 6. Thank you so much for making more Pro-Superman videos! We need more of these in this time of fascist turmoil!!!!
I never hated Superman. But I lost touch with who he his is with Snyders stuff. I had to relearn what he’s about, and it’s made me fall in love with him. Even Henry Cavil desired a more accurate take on Superman, and his cult seem to overlook that. - I’m going to rewatch my adventures with Superman. Definitely gives me the right feels
@@johnthai6188 'The American Way' is the classic line, the most powerful sounding and most needed in today's times where the idea of national identity is constantly being attacked and eroded in the west. It also salutes the uniquely American art form of Superhero comics that Superman pioneered.
@@bumface1810 you know "Champion of the Oppressed" is also a classic line and the one that came before "the american way". this tagline shows superman isn't just a national superhero, that protects american ideals, but a superhero for all those that can't defend themselves. which reflects the ideals, of what superheroes are about; they protect those that can't protect themselves.
I think my favourite example of Superman being a deep character would come in the Climax of Superman vs the Elite. That entire movie judged his moral code believing that his way wouldn’t work in a *modern* world, so he decides to show them what a no morality Superman would be like. Seeing the Elite members be slowly picked off as the world watches on in fear of their Symbol of Hope become an unstoppable force of destruction, he showed the World what he could do unhinged without truly crossing the line (thanks to Cloaking technology). He will always be there to help the people of Metropolis, and the World, cause the people need a beacon of hope and goodwill to inspire them, along with his dream of a better tomorrow (Man of Tomorrow).
At this current time, I think that the best Superman runs in a chronologic order on when they happened in Clark's life, not when they were written would be: "Superman For All Seasons" - Showing mostly a young Clark about to leave for Metropolis but still unsure of himself beyond knowing that he was meant to help people, his relationship with Lana Lang and his family, while Lois is still on the outside. But his main opponent is an older, more slick Lex. Next "All Star Superman" - The is my Most Favorite Superman Storyline ever. And when James Gunn talks about the new movie this Comic Book Cover keeps showing up. It shows all of Clark's sides - Clark Kent, Kal-El, and Superman. And it shows him at his most powerful and yet all of his qualities that are way beyond powers that make him Great. Kindness, Compassion, patience, to be supportive and caring when people are in their most painful and darkest places. - There is a scene where a young girl is about to commit suicide. She thinks her Psychiatrist is ditching her. But actually she's on a broken El train. Supes is talking to Lois. His head quirks and he says to Lois that someone needs help. You see the girl on the ledge as she drops her phone while she is on a ledge of a skyscraper, about to step of. Suddenly he is there. Just for her. "You're doctor really did get held up. It is never as bad as it seems. You're much stronger than you think you are." It was all that mattered. He was there. He said what all of us have to have told to us in dark times: "It is never as bad as it seems. You're much stronger than you think you are." Finally would be "Kingdom Come": Superman has lost faith. He lives in a special area of the Fortress of Solitude farming. It has been 10 - 20 years since Superman walked away. The world is Chaos. There are so many superpowered people, but most of the Elders have left or staked specific claims on protective zones they control. It is a very, very good book - 4 segment comic. What Clark has to learn is not so much of how powerful he is, but what a powerful example he is. To Everyone willing to try to make things better for the sake of others. Again and again, the best stories about Superman are the ones where he is the example we should aim for. Not with powers, but with the Best Parts of being Human can be. He learned theses traits from his human parents. He passes them on... To Everyone.
Superman and lois is honestly my favorite version of clark/superman in recent times. They had the snyder feel but superman feels like christopher reeves which is what snyder should have done. Theres a hopeful feeling they have in that show. I love it
I always loved Superman, but when the Snyder movies came out, I slowly lost my liking to him. I loved the Injustice Games, but they put a bad idea of Superman in my head. When I heard James Gunn was making a new Superman film, I was excited because I knew it was going to help reignite the love I have for the character.
I pretty much agree with everything in this video other than our difference of opinion regarding my adventures with Superman (and MoS a little bit). Then again, I'm also a big fan of new 52 Superman (haven't read the Morrison stuff yet), so that probably says more things about me.
I used to hate Superman, until I realized I could relate to him. I can't tell you how many times I've wished I had some kind of super strength or super speed, so I could help more when I felt useless. I hate it when people I care about need help, and I can't do anything. I never considered that Superman sometimes has that same struggle
If any of you want to understand superman and know why superman is an important and inspiring character go watch “the iron giant” trust me by the end you’ll understand
It’s nice to see videos of people saying “I use to hate Superman.” I was the same way and as I got older and read his comics he became a character that is comforting and makes me happy to see.
As much as I strongly dislike both My Adventures with Superman (I hate how they messed up his Mythos) & the "Better Tomorrow" Line this was a very well thought-out video. I've always loved Superman & pleased to see someone who gets his Characterization.
@@tylerleach8796 Just because something is a 'Different Take' doesn't mean it's "good", I learned that the hard way. Lastly, as someone who loves Superman when I was a Kid... his motto... will always mean "TRUTH, JUSTICE, & AMERICAN WAY!" I REJECT that piss poor "For A Modern Audience" Motto!
@@GarciaXVLegend_04 except My Adventures with Superman IS good, so your argument is kinda moot. Bruh, Better Tomorrow makes sense since Clark doesn’t just work in America. It’s the same reason why the Justice League of America is now simply the Justice League.
@@tylerleach87961st off, I didn't comment on here to Argue with anyone but to at least give credit & respect to the Person's Video (you decided to Argue with someone over having a different Opinion). 2nd, Your so called "Counter Argument" is WEAK SAUCE! Saying something that is good, bad, and/or falls flat are SUBJECTIVE TERMS! Opinions! They're not facts! (Even me saying that MAwS is painfully average or bad is my own OPINION, not facts at all). Lastly, I simply & wholeheartedly REJECT the New Motto, you giving me an explanation/reason why the New Motto is better won't change my mind at all. "It fits his Character", okay your free to have that right & reason.
The Superman cartoons of the 90s were good. I used to watch them on TV. Those Justice League cartoons from the 2000s were Better than the movie! Batman Mask of the Phantasm was Incredible!!
I’m so happy other people are having the same revelation as me! I also only cared for Superman as a pop culture icon without REALLY knowing who he is as a character. That was until I watched My Adventures with Superman , and now I’m reading the exact same comic run (Marilyn Moonlight caught my attention). It’s great to see this show turning tides and reminding people why we love Superman; hopefully James Gunn’s Superman has the same impact.
I felt the exacts same way about Superman when I was a kid I always wanted to see Batman or other superheroes rather than Superman I really didn't care what Superman was men to be and yeah I just saw him as a over powerful superhero but after the Superman Legacy announcement then I thought I should read some of the comics about Superman and the first one I read was all stars Superman after that I never felt so different about Superman now I care deeply how super man should be in the media I have hope for James gun Superman was always about hope I see that now
Similar journey with superman. Heard the movie announcement went back and read superman comics(still reading) he’s now my favorite superhero. Hopefully Gunn can capture Truth, Justice and a better tomorrow in a movie.
Something else I think that really adds to Superman as a character is the dichotomy of Superman and Clark Kent. This idea of an almost all-powerful character who has to deal with the ordinary problems of an average (or below average) human is just fascinating to me. And maybe I'm moving into head-cannon territory (since the character has been written in different ways over the years), the way I've always seen it is that Clark and Superman are both real; neither one is a mask--they are two halves of the same man.
There’s an interesting internal conflict with the character. He could easily destroy the world and create it into his own image. He could easily crush Lex Luthor with his pinky. But he doesn’t. He still works hard to be the best he can be
That’s called writing resilience for a character. That doesn’t amplify anything about him whatsoever since the same can be applied to multiple characters who show restraint in a world they could easily crush.
@@johnwells5414 That’s a strawman. I’m saying a hero who’s supposed to demonstrate heroic qualities such as reliance doesn’t amplify anything about his character in terms of making him an interesting character. He’s a simple character. We’re not talking about Micheal Corleone. He’s not interesting or complex whatsoever. Accept that.
ANYONE who ever had think or say that Superman is boring, never pick up a single COMIC, saw a single MOVIE or even tv shows, can't understand why you even put him in that list for so long until just recently, Superman the REAL superman never had been boring, only the edgelords who want evil Superman or marvel fans will say crap like that.
Injustice was NOWHERE NEAR the start of the Evil Superman stories. Take a look at The Animated Series episodes "Brave New Metropolis" and "Legacy" for example (one of the best versions in my opinion) and no more an outlier than your "no more" sample from Superman and Lois, or the Justice League episode "A Better World" (another fine example, and technically later in the same universe as the previous mention). Even Lois and Clark: The Adventures of Superman had their own version, albeit a clone. Of course, you showed the Superman III version that was even earlier, and there are nearly countless iterations throughout the comics.
I think the fact that DC themselves are afraid to even say 'Truth, Justice, and the American Way' is a problem too. If they are that ashamed of Superman's actual history, why should newer generations be expected to care about the character now.
That line never originated from the comics in which the original line "Champion of the Oppressed" came from".It was understandably war propaganda and was later used for the Red Scare.
I think that Man of Steel and Zack Snyder's Justice League were nice takes on Superman. BvS is meh. The reason I think it kinda worked in BvS was because some people were genuinely scared of him because they thought that he would just start killing for no reason
Big blue is one of my favourite and I find him as a BEST superheto figure simply because he just doing a heroic things. He is clearly good and human. btw "Superman vs the Elite" is amazing Superman story 🤩🤩🤩
Superman is wonderful... always loved him... but he's been misinterpreted on screen as of late... Want a great Superman movie ? Watch the Christopher Reeve movies... he's the best for a reason ❤️💙
4:49 Honestly, even that argument falls flat when you remember that we've got much better nuanced approaches to instances where he wouldn't totally snap, decades earlier. The STAS episode "Brave New Metropolis" explores a reality where Lois died and Superman teamed up with Luthor to become a brutal enforcer. Prime Lois talks him out of it and he works on repairing his mistakes. Or if I'm gonna give the most obvious story which handled this well, Kingdom Come. Joker killed Lois and Magog killed Joker. One thing led to another and Kansas got destroyed. Clark went into hiding until Diana called him out of retirement. It was difficult, but he OVERCAME his grief. He's still hurt and broken. But he still puts on the tights to help those in need. It's funny how Kingdome Come Diana helped him through his grief while Injustice Diana just enabled all of his worst tendencies.
To be fair though, while invincible gave us an evil superman, it also gave us a Superman as well. Mark is so similar to the character and reminds me of him a lot.
I use do not like superman as well but after seeing some of the movies, ect I start to understand him, batman is still my fav DC hero of all time, great video btw :)
Tim Daly will always be favorite Clark Kent/Superman, for the same reason Christopher Daniel Barnes will always be my favorite Peter Parker/Spider-Man and why Kevin Conroy will always be my favorite Bruce Wayne/Batman (R.I.P.). Clancy Brown will always be my favorite Lex Luthor for the same reason Neil Ross will always be my favorite Norman Osborn/Green Goblin and why Mark Hamill will always be my favorite Joker.
To be fair, Injustice Superman killing Lois Lane *also* set off a nuclear warhead in Metropolis killing millions, because the detonator was linked to some kind of sensor surgically placed into her. Not to say that justifies flipping so abruptly, but still. Also, sorry about your bad experience with that Evil Superman at Subway. I had a similar experience at Arby's when another Evil Superman froze my mozzarella sticks with his ice breath.
I can get behind my adventure with Superman it's not Superman and I hate how everybody always want to talk about how Schneider's virtual Superman wasn't Superman but this version is Superman The only reason why I can see somebody liking something is because it's more cheerful Superman which again pick up a comic book Superman is cheerful but a lot of his stories are serious stories especially in today's comic book landscape yeah there are a few happy-go-lucky moments but I don't like how nobody allows Superman to be the complexity like you say you wanted to be complexity but then when he is complex or when he's being in fear of people or whatever that's not interesting No it is interesting because just like this is what people see what would realistically happen if Superman did show up to the world would we be all bright friendly or what would be nervous would be questioning his motives and the answer is yes but when my ventures with Superman and I just can't get behind the fact that it is a disrespect to Superman honestly it's some kitty cooker nonsense wear it's like okay so we had an accurate Superman with Superman the animated series didn't get my adventures with Superman which is nowhere close to Superman but yet people are praising this version of Superman because of the notion of we haven't had that many triple Superman but if I miss a lot of people won't even read Superman comic books neither So it's the most weirdest thing ever like yes I am over the evil Superman but in the sniper verse he wasn't evil he was possessed by the life equation and if you read final crisis you know the life equation turns Superman evil or under the possession of whoever has the equivalent and I'm quite sure if he wasn't cut off Snyder we would have got enough full hopeful Superman but it's kind of like what can we do besides the whole happy-go-lucky Superman You know what I mean because everybody always say he's a big blue Boy scout and then when you challenge that or when you put them in another light Oh now he's not interesting or he's doing too much So I don't know it's weird but I can't get jiggy with my adventurous man it it is nowhere close to Superman every time I watch it I'm like this is only a Superman name only none of the characters act like Superman I'm sorry
My problem was never his power. He gets his ass kicked multiple times lol. It’s his super goody two shoes attitude that’s boring to me but I still like him 🤷🏿♂️.
@@dukeheavens9990 first of all you don’t have to be an asshole about it but I hate I’m just saying if it weren’t for the movie to come out, I would’ve not gotten into Superman
Do you know why Goku is not considered boring and Superman is considered boring? The answer is that Goku doesn't need a live action movie made by James Gunn to be loved.
yet when goku got a live action film it was garbage whereas christopher reeves superman film literally paved the way for the superhero genre in cinema.
kinda funny how superman vs the elite from 10 years ago is still relevant thanks to modern cynical view on superheroes, also kingdom come did the joker kills loise lane first with a sadder version of superman where he just gives up
technically, injustice superman and kingdom come superman are two different types of characters. injustice superman loses lois lane, because he was the one that killed her and metropolis by accident. for kingdom come superman he wasn't the cause for the killing in the first place. actually if you read kingdom come, that superman was about to become injustice superman. the only reason why clark didn't kill everyone in the UN is because a pastor talked down superman to killing everyone in the UN. Side tangent: you would think with clark's background in journalism, that modern stories would have him deal with fake news, misinformation and outrage culture.
@@johnthai6188ngl i always forget he is a journalist with how little they use it besides him going to dangerous places for superman to step up sometimes
Everyone seems to have their own critique of what a character should be and with Superman it’s rather polarising. When I was a little kid I used to watch the old serial animated superman show where his costume was darker and he was a silent yet vigilante hero who was a beacon of hope in a world of peril. There was a dramatic flair to superman that I think the reeves movies sadly lost because they focused on the charm and benevolence that superman is best known for. Cavill embodied the traits of the original superman from that old cartoon and that’s why he’s my favourite. I actually prefer a broody, gloomy, yet vigilant superman. I see superman as an alien not a some farm boy from Kansas. Turning superman into a patriotic American hero is flanderization and that’s not how I perceive him to be.
Captain America is all the good qualities of superman without the nonsense. And this doesn't change the fact that Superman is still walking plot armor. And this is just my opinion, but being all morally virtuous is boring because he lacks depth. That's why I love Ironman more than Captain America (when he's not being a psychopath).
@@Jose-uy5qc Two specific instances, oddly revolving around Supermans strongest enemy. 1. Superman ripped Doomsday in half, which should not be possible considering this character killed him before. 2. Superman literally fought a kryptonite Doomsday. No special equipment. Just bear knuckles. Bullshit. Kryptonte only seems to work when the writers want it too. Bonus: There was a recent comic where Superman just magically made up powers to beat Lex Luther. Where'd it come from? Who knows. Who cares? It's Superman. Captain America may also be a boyscout, but I respect him a whole lot more than some godlike being. He's just a soldier with a shield and some enhanced attributes. But he still will stare down Thanos and somehow someway try to pull a W. I respect that and find that way more interesting than flying plot armor.
@@vengeance4566 You know what superman i would love to return to, the superman that stands for being the champion of the oppressed, because he dealt with human issues. or how about, the idea that clark kent being a news reporter means something, to the superman conflicts.
Everyone seems to have their own critique of what a character should be and with Superman it’s rather polarising. When I was a little kid I used to watch the old serial animated superman show where his costume was darker and he was a silent yet vigilante hero who was a beacon of hope in a world of peril. There was a dramatic flair to superman that I think the reeves movies sadly lost because they focused on the charm and benevolence that superman is best known for. Cavill embodied the traits of the original superman from that old cartoon and that’s why he’s my favourite. I actually prefer a broody, gloomy, yet vigilant superman. I see superman as an alien not a some farm boy from Kansas. Turning superman into a patriotic American hero is flanderization and that’s not how I perceive him to be.
Very disappointed by the halfway mark. It's perfectly okay if you aren't a fan of Snyder's trilogy, but there were many misconceptions that have been thrown around for years present in this video. If you want to learn with a open-mind from people with more positive perspectives on this Superman, I recommend these channels: CinemaWins, Twin Perfect, Hawk of Krypton, and All Hail King Rex! and Knights of the Nerd's Table. I'm sure you'll be able to understand even if you still don't like it afterwards. Besides that, everything else was solid and agreeable!
the thing of Superman being more "Human" is kind of dumb cuz reasons why Humans aren't as pure is cuz of Survival. Superman is indestructible he can save an old ladies cat without worrying of being late for work or falling off the tree and have thousands in debt for a stubbed toe. Reason we have Wars and fight is cuz of SURVIVAL to defend one's home or ppl. Superman can be reckless and save whoever bc there's no worry. And before some nitwit says it. No. Kryptonite doesn't even affect Superman even more, he legit fought a Kryptonite enhanced Doomsday h2h and still won and Now man has Electric powers all of a sudden from WHO knows where but y'all eat that up. There's a reason Spider-Man and Batman are top sellers bc everytime they go out there they might not come back, they have COURAGE and THAT'S what's inspiring THAT'S a FAR more human character bc even though they're bones crack and blood stains the streets they'll keep fighting to protect the innocent to protect the weak. There's a reason Death of Superman is SO popular it's cuz it embodies the philosophy of heroism that even against death you carry on. If you love Superman all love❤️ to you but I just can't Idk why but just not for me chief
You do know Superman gets whooped a large majority of the time and fights people on his level quite often,right?The Kryptonite-infused doomsday fight only happened once and you know what also happened once?Superman getting steamrolled by a literal steamroller.
@@kingtiger5040 Nobody complains about Hulk Wolverine or Thor being semi-immortal, super powerful, and always impossible to stay dead…Yet Superman gets crapped on for it.
I was a Batman guy since the age of 6. Totally steeped in Gotham City and its lore. Didn't like Superman at all. Thought he was dull and lame. Man of Steel (the Snyder film) changed that for me. I became a fan. The character does have the propensity to be boring in the wrong hands, but when done well there's nothing quite like it. But I'm open to different interpretations of the character's mythos unlike some of the diehards who can't seem to get past the Reeve iteration. Reeve was superlative as Superman but i don't understand the need for him to be the template going forward.
@@kingtiger5040 Angry Joe is literally the only person who loves Man of Steel but doesn’t bash on the actual popular versions of Superman. Every other Man of Street fan bashes on every other popular version of Superman.
Vanilla Superman is the least interesting version in my opinion. There's no emotional weight to the character and no sense of urgency. Evil Superman, parent/mentor Superman, and antihero Superman are all more compelling takes on the character.
Such a shit take. Superman is not a character that necessitates being morally corrupted or conflicted. He acts as a beacon of virtue and kindness against a backdrop of anti heroes and modern edgy characters. To turn him into one is to dismantle everything he represents. This take is held only by people who don’t know shit about Superman. The only good evil Superman stories were in the 50s when they were played for comedy.
@@hasthehighground8560 How can Superman act as a beacon of virtue and kindness when he has nothing at stake? It's easy to take a bullet for someone when you are bulletproof, that doesn't make you virtuous. It's easy to help 10 people in 10 minutes when you can see everyone, hear everyone, and travel to anywhere on the planet in 1 second flat. Doesn't make you kind or selfless, just means you have an abundance of free time.
@@Aldridge517 because he’s a superhero and therefore not real. He’s fictional, he’s supposed to be an aspiration and taking such a narrow minded and literal approach to fiction is so ridiculous. “He has superpowers so why should he be a beacon of hope?” Maybe it’s because every superhero possesses attributes and abilities beyond that of humans? Superman is meant to be a figure we strive to be like, we can’t be like him, but his values of sincerity, decency, and respect are ones that could be easily applicable to the real world. The superpowers are there to be entertaining to the reader. They don’t define him as a character because his greatest strength is the compassion he has for others. The fact that Superman can take bullets for people and does so makes him virtuous, lmao. What kind of bullshit argument is that? Superman could very easily become a tyrant and use his powers to conquer but doesn’t because that’s not who he is, that’s not who Ma and Pa raised him to be and he has a moral obligation not to. The fact that Superman goes out of his way to help everyone makes him selfless. Just because he can help people efficiently doesn’t make him not selfless. Like, that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Superman literally has everything at stake. He has the safety of human civilization to worry about.
@@hasthehighground8560 You know why Jesus works as a beacon of virtue and kindness? Because Jesus is human. He doesn't have diamond skin, superhuman speed, strength, intelligence, and the ability to survive on sunlight. Vanilla Superman doesn't work as a beacon for humanity because he's walking through life on easy mode. It's easy to be sincere, decent, respectful, and compassionate when you are a god among insects. To steal an analogy from Invincible; The human race are like pets to Superman. He's our caregiver, not our equal. Superman's mission statement is to help humanity at his leisure. That means if Darkseid attacks tomorrow and kills a million people, Superman's goals are unaffected as long as the next day he can hold the door open for someone at the Daily Planet. There's no sense of urgency or progress. As long as a fraction of the human race survives, Superman can continue to be of service. That's a boring objective. By contrast, Evil Superman's goal is conquest. That's an attainable goal with a definitive ending and progress that can be quantified. Parent/mentor Superman's goal is to raise a protege, this adds emotional weight to the character that Vanilla Superman does not have. Antihero Superman's goals are selfish and therefore relatable to readers. Maybe he wants vengeance, maybe he wants to protect a specific person for selfish reasons, maybe he wants to join the Green Lantern Corp because he likes the rings. All of these goals are more compelling than, "I want to save lives when I'm not going on dates with Lois Lane and reporting on the news."
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Superman is a boring Mary Sue and his fanboys are vile creatures.
Well, from what I heard WB wanted Man of Steel to be Superman's Batman Begins. To the point they even brought the team behind that. They wanted Alien Batman, Amazonian Batman, Speedy Batman, Aqua Batman, Cyborg Batman etc. Sadly, WB and DC can't seem to think of anything interesting to do with Superman besides making him evil.
My dude! You gotta check out the DCAU 90's Superman series! Such a good watch, highly recommended from a fellow Superman fan
Superman's super hearing isn't just frustrating it's also traumatic. Imagine hearing someone about to be stabbed while another person is about to get hit by a car. Then having to choose which one to save. The ability to maintain his sanity is a power in itself. These dilemmas and moral complexities are super compelling. Superman is a fascinating character when in the hands of a great writer that can challenge him in these ways.
he has super speed so he can save all of em
@@2Rhe_43 not if you think about the situation logically and logistically instead of "he HaS SuPEr SpEeD"
@@2Rhe_43 Supes is fast, but he's not that fast. Hell, Flash, who's way faster than Supes, can't even save everyone.
That that fast ? What about the time he flew across the DC universe BEFORE Lois Lane's heart could beat ones ? He is so fast that space and time doesn't even effect him anymore.
Womp womp. Superman is boring
My father is the one who helped me remember why supes works. I was explaining that I thought he was boring because superman only has like one weakness. My dad simply said, "but not really, his real one is people." I thought on that and realized he's right. Superman cares deeply about people and is stuck in a world that doesn't.
Tell ur dad, that he’s a cool dude 👍
That “weakness to people” to me is why I honestly love the Cavill version in the recent movies. Same with Reeve and Routh, of course. They all fundamentally understand that he’s a people person in a world that doesn’t care about people, and he struggles with that quite a lot.
@@Gojirawars03Hoechlin's version is better than cavill
I actually think the reason mostly movie Directors change Superman’s characters is because of the Animated show and how it was very boring
@@RM-qj8cs No one cares, they all represent Supes in their own ways...
Im glad people are starting to open up to him now that james gunn is making the movie.
The same thing happened to me last year. I always liked Superman, but I didn't *get* Superman. And last year, consuming a lot of Superman media... I finally understand the Man of Steel.
I never stop loving the character, even when I was a kid I actually enjoy the man of steel and I was introduced to the character in Superman animated series and Superman returns
I completly agree. I also hated Superman because of Injustice. But after watching 'Superman & Lois', 'My Adventures With Superman', 'Batman and Superman: Battle of the Super Sons' and 'Legion of Super Heroes', it has completely reinvigorated my love for the character.
injustice is an elseworld story dont tell me you didnt know that
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω First of all, yes I did. Second of all, I was a child. You very easily get influenced by the idea of who a fictional character is by one bad adaptation.
@@Robin_Isagreed, if it wasn’t for my dad showing the 70s Superman films then I would’ve probably not liked Superman as well
@@ImSakataGintokiComeAtMeI am cautiously optimistic about the new Superman movie. I have trust in James Gunn to make a great movie.
Everyone seems to have their own critique of what a character should be and with Superman it’s rather polarising.
When I was a little kid I used to watch the old serial animated superman show where his costume was darker and he was a silent yet vigilante hero who was a beacon of hope in a world of peril. There was a dramatic flair to superman that I think the reeves movies sadly lost because they focused on the charm and benevolence that superman is best known for. Cavill embodied the traits of the original superman from that old cartoon and that’s why he’s my favourite. I actually prefer a broody, gloomy, yet vigilant superman. I see superman as an alien not a some farm boy from Kansas. Turning superman into a patriotic American hero is flanderization and that’s not how I perceive him to be.
This is why the Christopher Reeve movie is so iconic. That scene where he's having a conversation with his Jor-El after his first night really puts into perspective what this guy has to go through. All you need to do is watch that and you can write a really compelling dramatic storyline for him sandwiched by spectacular action, a touch of romance and some lighthearted humor.
I’ve always like super man growing up, wasnt my fav but only since like two years ago, I’ve had an affinity towards him.
I was depressed and Batman has that connotation but not always , so I shifted into superman. And man, his faith, morals and hope made me love the character so much. The general public love the SUPERman but like me and u and every one else we love the superMAN.
Also, I’m currently reading that Dawn of dc superman comic and I love it. I recommend reading:
- Superman for all seasons
- Superman American Alien( one of the issues has Clark and friends discussing his purpose of being superman love it 🥰)
- Superman rebirth 2016
- superman up in the sky
i’m currently reading superman: secret identity, it’s just a 4 part miniseries and i’m not quite done yet but it’s super interesting and feels like a love letter to not only the character but his impact and what he means to culture (in a kinda meta-textual way that’s vaguely similar to spider-verse). it’s relatively underrated and i’d definitely recommend it, and if you’ve never heard of it i’d recommend going in blind.
Have you read All-star Superman? One of the best.
@@leeb5112 thanks bro I’ve heard of it.
@@yamatokira4335haven’t read it but watched the animated movie a few years ago
@@KingKhupacabra The series is way better than the animation. Morisson and Quitely are master of storytelling.
If Kevin Feige can make a “boring” character like Captain America into one of the most beloved superheroes ever, James Gunn can do the same for Superman.
For most of my life, I've always viewed Superman as "The Icon" and not as an actual character. I've always had respect for him from a historical standpoint, but for the most part, I saw him as more as an object and less as a tangible person . . . My entire perception of Superman has changed *COMPLETELY* with the advent of the animated series, "My Adventures with Superman."
Superman in MAWS is a fascinating character! He's so kind and charming, but he's also sympathetic and surprisingly complex, which I really appreciate. While I'm a casual comic book collector, I've mostly disregarded a majority of Superman comics, so I'm not that familiar with his stories or depictions in the comics, but from what I understand, many die-hard Superman fans (Those who actively read Superman comics) consider MAWS's take on Superman, himself, as one of the most accurate depictions of the character. In the wake of MAWS, I've been going down a huge Superman rabbit hole, going out of my way to read more Superman comics (I read John Byrne's "Superman: The Man of Steel", "Superman: Peace on Earth", and "All-Star Superman" for the first time last year), exposing myself to "good" Superman adaptations in other media (I've been watching the 90's "Superman: The Animated Series" for the very first time this year in between new MAWS episodes), and overall expanding my knowledge on his lore in the DC Universe.
I've never felt more inspired and passionate about Superman at any other point in my life and I owe it all to MAWS for enlightening me. For me, personally, MAWS single-handedly saved ANY shred of hope I had for the character, especially after being utterly disappointed by how terrible his character was handled in the DCEU (Thank God THAT mess is finally over!). MAWS Superman is the Superman I never knew I wanted and I'm so thankful for it. MAWS Superman is the first modern adaptation of Superman, or ANY superhero adaptation in recent memory, to make me feel legitimately happy and hopeful for the first time in a real long while. :)
I highly recommend Superman and Lois. Best Superman content to do date. The show is extremely comic accurate both in terms of his core principles, personality and action wise.
To anyone who wants a good introductory comic showing why Supes is possibly the best superhero, I highly recommend "Up in the Sky" by Tom King. Premise: Supes have to rescue a little girl kidnapped by aliens. But its easily one of the best superman books.
The best thing James Gunn's DCU is that alot of mainstream biases against these characters will finally be changed.
Are you sure?
Foreal. I’m so tired of people always saying “It’s DC so it’ll probably suck”.
Heck my favorite Superman story is actually from rebirth with Clark Kent & Lois lane as husband and wife raising there son Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self learning how to control his powers and being a great hero which freaking fantastic in my opinion.
I just had a long conversation with my brother about this a few days ago, I'll be sure to share this with him.
that take in how the Snyder movies aren't a good depiction of the most interesting versions of Superman has been the collective opinion of people who prefer a good old Heroic Superman. welcome to the club.
Everyone seems to have their own critique of what a character should be and with Superman it’s rather polarising.
When I was a little kid I used to watch the old serial animated superman show where his costume was darker and he was a silent yet vigilante hero who was a beacon of hope in a world of peril. There was a dramatic flair to superman that I think the reeves movies sadly lost because they focused on the charm and benevolence that superman is best known for. Cavill embodied the traits of the original superman from that old cartoon and that’s why he’s my favourite. I actually prefer a broody, gloomy, yet vigilant superman. I see superman as an alien not a some farm boy from Kansas. Turning superman into a patriotic American hero is flanderization and that’s not how I perceive him to be.
@@master-of-mind5881 flanderization is the idea of turning a character away from their creators intended personality for them. And Superman was created TO BE a farm boy from Kansas. The things that do that aren’t flanderizing superman, you like a flanderized Superman
@@master-of-mind5881 its kinda funny that your reffer it as "THAT OLD SHOW", insted of something logical as the superman animated series that were made by the same people who made the batman's. In that show superman wasn't the most charming but he was still the most mature and comprehesive of all heroes in the justice league, and even when he wasn't playing nice he was still trying his best finding to solve everything with fear and violence like batman. He wasn't a "vilagente".
Saying that superman good wild and light attitud is "flanderization" thats like asying that spiderman "friendly neighborhood" personality is boring and he should be an elitist asshole like Miguel O hara
@waluigitheplumber3355 Except the original Superman was an orphan who was edgy hero who was essentially a less gloomy Batman.
1:38 Something relevant to discuss is that you can generate a lot of conflict in Superman stories without having his villains be overpowered/remove Clark’s powers, by focusing on Superman trying to avoid collateral damage. A villain doesn’t need to be stronger than Superman to cause conflict, they just need to endanger civilians enough so Clark needs to think out how to rescue people while causing as little collateral damage as possible. Superman works really well as a fire-and-rescue guy, and the story can be interesting if Clark has to plan how he will rescue people instead of just punching his problems into submission.
I followed a very similar path as you with my Superman Fandom. Loved him as a kid, started to believe all those common criticisms as a teenager, and then I read DC Rebirth Superman when it came out, and I fell in love with him all over again.
Great video man!👍🏿That's right Superman was NEVER boring! He's always been very interesting as a superhero and I should know cause I've always loved him since first watching him on my old VHS cartoon tape during my late 80's childhood. Besides there's always been more to him than just his powers, its also what he's always represented as a superhero for years...HOPE TRUTH & JUSTICE!!! And also real goodness in the real world. Also there have been times when he didn't have his powers but still managed and still proven himself to be quite a survivor. He also has a big brain himself and knows how and when to strategize too just as Batman does. Those who say he's boring these days just don't know him as well as they think and sometimes its those recent evil versions of Superman that make them get the wrong idea about him.
Anyway I hope this new "Superman: Legacy" movie coming will prove to be a great success when it comes!
i really think zack synder wasn't the right person to handle superman on film
He's not the right person for anything but he's good at adapting stuff atleast.
That's actually the exact same thing that happened to me. I loved the classic films growing up, then lost interest in the character, but after Gunn announced he'd be doing I realized just how beautiful the character is and how important he is to not only comic book culture, but pop culture as well.
Glad to hear I’m not the only one!
@@WholeShebangYT You're definitely not. We absolutely NEED a hopeful Superman again.
@@some_schmuckwe actually do.
@@some_schmuck My Adventures With Superman gave us one.
@@Xoracious Yes, but we need a hopeful live action Superman again. Someone like Reeve.
I always felt Superman being boring was a misconception. We need the real Superman more than ever! Seriously though, it already feels like the evil-Superman trope has been done to death.
I never stopped loving Superman. I also never thought he was boring. His powers are great, but the best part of Superman is that despite his powers, he's just a good guy who wants to help people and try to do the right thing. That's what's needed from the character in this world, now more than ever. I get frustrated with Zack Snyder's take on Superman because of how it not only fails to understand Superman, but it goes against the morals and ideals Superman stands for. Not to mention how overused the evil Superman trope has been as of late. Making Superman evil doesn't make him any more interesting. Good Superman is better and much more needed.
he wasnt going to be evil ie injustice he was going to be under darksides control
Everyone seems to have their own critique of what a character should be and with Superman it’s rather polarising.
When I was a little kid I used to watch the old serial animated superman show where his costume was darker and he was a silent yet vigilante hero who was a beacon of hope in a world of peril. There was a dramatic flair to superman that I think the reeves movies sadly lost because they focused on the charm and benevolence that superman is best known for. Cavill embodied the traits of the original superman from that old cartoon and that’s why he’s my favourite. I actually prefer a broody, gloomy, yet vigilant superman. I see superman as an alien not a some farm boy from Kansas. Turning superman into a patriotic American hero is flanderization and that’s not how I perceive him to be.
Great video, always happy to see people sticking up for Supes.
A couple of things:
1. This video is amazing
2. I hate what Injustice and Snyder did to supermans image
3. Injustice Superman was manipulated and controlled by Wonder Woman into essentially being her puppet
4. I love seeing everyone give Clark his due diligence
5. Thank God for MAWS and James Gunns Superman
And 6. Thank you so much for making more Pro-Superman videos! We need more of these in this time of fascist turmoil!!!!
It has been a WHILE since I played Injustice so thank you for reminding me about the WW stuff
I never hated Superman. But I lost touch with who he his is with Snyders stuff. I had to relearn what he’s about, and it’s made me fall in love with him. Even Henry Cavil desired a more accurate take on Superman, and his cult seem to overlook that. - I’m going to rewatch my adventures with Superman. Definitely gives me the right feels
I used to hate him as well, but now that I'm older he's arguably the hero I have the most respect for
I have never found supes boring
It's Truth, Justice, and the American Way I never liked the updated "Better Tomorrow".
Better tmr sounds so weak and ashamed of Superman’s heritage.
Better Tomorrow suits him better because of who he is, you’re just dense lol
@@mainmanmike while i do like the Better Tomorrow, i think dc should go back to the very beginning with his tagline "Champion of the Oppressed".
@@johnthai6188 'The American Way' is the classic line, the most powerful sounding and most needed in today's times where the idea of national identity is constantly being attacked and eroded in the west. It also salutes the uniquely American art form of Superhero comics that Superman pioneered.
@@bumface1810 you know "Champion of the Oppressed" is also a classic line and the one that came before "the american way". this tagline shows superman isn't just a national superhero, that protects american ideals, but a superhero for all those that can't defend themselves. which reflects the ideals, of what superheroes are about; they protect those that can't protect themselves.
I think my favourite example of Superman being a deep character would come in the Climax of Superman vs the Elite. That entire movie judged his moral code believing that his way wouldn’t work in a *modern* world, so he decides to show them what a no morality Superman would be like. Seeing the Elite members be slowly picked off as the world watches on in fear of their Symbol of Hope become an unstoppable force of destruction, he showed the World what he could do unhinged without truly crossing the line (thanks to Cloaking technology).
He will always be there to help the people of Metropolis, and the World, cause the people need a beacon of hope and goodwill to inspire them, along with his dream of a better tomorrow (Man of Tomorrow).
I really hate that movie and storyline.
At this current time, I think that the best Superman runs in a chronologic order on when they happened in Clark's life, not when they were written would be:
"Superman For All Seasons" - Showing mostly a young Clark about to leave for Metropolis but still unsure of himself beyond knowing that he was meant to help people, his relationship with Lana Lang and his family, while Lois is still on the outside. But his main opponent is an older, more slick Lex.
Next "All Star Superman" - The is my Most Favorite Superman Storyline ever. And when James Gunn talks about the new movie this Comic Book Cover keeps showing up. It shows all of Clark's sides - Clark Kent, Kal-El, and Superman. And it shows him at his most powerful and yet all of his qualities that are way beyond powers that make him Great. Kindness, Compassion, patience, to be supportive and caring when people are in their most painful and darkest places.
- There is a scene where a young girl is about to commit suicide. She thinks her Psychiatrist is ditching her. But actually she's on a broken El train. Supes is talking to Lois. His head quirks and he says to Lois that someone needs help. You see the girl on the ledge as she drops her phone while she is on a ledge of a skyscraper, about to step of. Suddenly he is there. Just for her.
"You're doctor really did get held up. It is never as bad as it seems. You're much stronger than you think you are." It was all that mattered. He was there. He said what all of us have to have told to us in dark times: "It is never as bad as it seems. You're much stronger than you think you are."
Finally would be "Kingdom Come": Superman has lost faith. He lives in a special area of the Fortress of Solitude farming. It has been 10 - 20 years since Superman walked away. The world is Chaos. There are so many superpowered people, but most of the Elders have left or staked specific claims on protective zones they control. It is a very, very good book - 4 segment comic. What Clark has to learn is not so much of how powerful he is, but what a powerful example he is. To Everyone willing to try to make things better for the sake of others.
Again and again, the best stories about Superman are the ones where he is the example we should aim for. Not with powers, but with the Best Parts of being Human can be. He learned theses traits from his human parents. He passes them on... To Everyone.
Superman and lois is honestly my favorite version of clark/superman in recent times. They had the snyder feel but superman feels like christopher reeves which is what snyder should have done. Theres a hopeful feeling they have in that show. I love it
I always loved Superman, but when the Snyder movies came out, I slowly lost my liking to him. I loved the Injustice Games, but they put a bad idea of Superman in my head. When I heard James Gunn was making a new Superman film, I was excited because I knew it was going to help reignite the love I have for the character.
I pretty much agree with everything in this video other than our difference of opinion regarding my adventures with Superman (and MoS a little bit). Then again, I'm also a big fan of new 52 Superman (haven't read the Morrison stuff yet), so that probably says more things about me.
I grew up with Superman as a kid.
I used to hate Superman, until I realized I could relate to him. I can't tell you how many times I've wished I had some kind of super strength or super speed, so I could help more when I felt useless. I hate it when people I care about need help, and I can't do anything. I never considered that Superman sometimes has that same struggle
If any of you want to understand superman and know why superman is an important and inspiring character go watch “the iron giant” trust me by the end you’ll understand
I wish one day Louise lane is black or mixed, they made zod's family black in young justice(they were cool), emerald empress mixed...she was cool! 😎
She's a Latina in My Adventures with Superman
It’s nice to see videos of people saying “I use to hate Superman.” I was the same way and as I got older and read his comics he became a character that is comforting and makes me happy to see.
As much as I strongly dislike both My Adventures with Superman (I hate how they messed up his Mythos) & the "Better Tomorrow" Line this was a very well thought-out video. I've always loved Superman & pleased to see someone who gets his Characterization.
It’s called a different take and better tomorrow is a better saying
@@tylerleach8796 Just because something is a 'Different Take' doesn't mean it's "good", I learned that the hard way. Lastly, as someone who loves Superman when I was a Kid... his motto... will always mean "TRUTH, JUSTICE, & AMERICAN WAY!" I REJECT that piss poor "For A Modern Audience" Motto!
@@GarciaXVLegend_04 except My Adventures with Superman IS good, so your argument is kinda moot.
Bruh, Better Tomorrow makes sense since Clark doesn’t just work in America. It’s the same reason why the Justice League of America is now simply the Justice League.
@@tylerleach87961st off, I didn't comment on here to Argue with anyone but to at least give credit & respect to the Person's Video (you decided to Argue with someone over having a different Opinion).
2nd, Your so called "Counter Argument" is WEAK SAUCE! Saying something that is good, bad, and/or falls flat are SUBJECTIVE TERMS! Opinions! They're not facts! (Even me saying that MAwS is painfully average or bad is my own OPINION, not facts at all).
Lastly, I simply & wholeheartedly REJECT the New Motto, you giving me an explanation/reason why the New Motto is better won't change my mind at all. "It fits his Character", okay your free to have that right & reason.
Man of Steel is good but not Batman VS Superman or Justice League.
The Superman cartoons of the 90s were good. I used to watch them on TV.
Those Justice League cartoons from the 2000s were Better than the movie!
Batman Mask of the Phantasm was Incredible!!
I’m so happy other people are having the same revelation as me! I also only cared for Superman as a pop culture icon without REALLY knowing who he is as a character. That was until I watched My Adventures with Superman , and now I’m reading the exact same comic run (Marilyn Moonlight caught my attention). It’s great to see this show turning tides and reminding people why we love Superman; hopefully James Gunn’s Superman has the same impact.
Moonlight is SO cool I wanna see her everywhere
I felt the exacts same way about Superman when I was a kid I always wanted to see Batman or other superheroes rather than Superman I really didn't care what Superman was men to be and yeah I just saw him as a over powerful superhero but after the Superman Legacy announcement then I thought I should read some of the comics about Superman and the first one I read was all stars Superman after that I never felt so different about Superman now I care deeply how super man should be in the media I have hope for James gun Superman was always about hope I see that now
Similar journey with superman. Heard the movie announcement went back and read superman comics(still reading) he’s now my favorite superhero. Hopefully Gunn can capture Truth, Justice and a better tomorrow in a movie.
How come Superman is the only character that was made to be strong not be able to show off how strong he is. It’s not fair to the character.
Something else I think that really adds to Superman as a character is the dichotomy of Superman and Clark Kent. This idea of an almost all-powerful character who has to deal with the ordinary problems of an average (or below average) human is just fascinating to me. And maybe I'm moving into head-cannon territory (since the character has been written in different ways over the years), the way I've always seen it is that Clark and Superman are both real; neither one is a mask--they are two halves of the same man.
There’s an interesting internal conflict with the character. He could easily destroy the world and create it into his own image. He could easily crush Lex Luthor with his pinky. But he doesn’t. He still works hard to be the best he can be
That’s called writing resilience for a character. That doesn’t amplify anything about him whatsoever since the same can be applied to multiple characters who show restraint in a world they could easily crush.
@@PrinceAliTheGreatest umm… what?
@@johnwells5414 What’s there too not understand?
@@PrinceAliTheGreatest Because other characters show resilience Superman having it doesn’t do anything for his character?
@@johnwells5414 That’s a strawman. I’m saying a hero who’s supposed to demonstrate heroic qualities such as reliance doesn’t amplify anything about his character in terms of making him an interesting character.
He’s a simple character. We’re not talking about Micheal Corleone. He’s not interesting or complex whatsoever. Accept that.
ANYONE who ever had think or say that Superman is boring, never pick up a single COMIC, saw a single MOVIE or even tv shows, can't understand why you even put him in that list for so long until just recently, Superman the REAL superman never had been boring, only the edgelords who want evil Superman or marvel fans will say crap like that.
This content is really good! Keep up the good work! 👍
Injustice was NOWHERE NEAR the start of the Evil Superman stories. Take a look at The Animated Series episodes "Brave New Metropolis" and "Legacy" for example (one of the best versions in my opinion) and no more an outlier than your "no more" sample from Superman and Lois, or the Justice League episode "A Better World" (another fine example, and technically later in the same universe as the previous mention). Even Lois and Clark: The Adventures of Superman had their own version, albeit a clone. Of course, you showed the Superman III version that was even earlier, and there are nearly countless iterations throughout the comics.
I hope the new Superman movie delivers.
I think the fact that DC themselves are afraid to even say 'Truth, Justice, and the American Way' is a problem too. If they are that ashamed of Superman's actual history, why should newer generations be expected to care about the character now.
That line never originated from the comics in which the original line "Champion of the Oppressed" came from".It was understandably war propaganda and was later used for the Red Scare.
I agree with everything in this video but I do need to mention like Invincible, Homelander is also a well done variant on this trope.
Homelander is a great version of it because he’s so pathetic and terrifying I love it
Superman is the character our current climate needs. Read into that as much or as little as needed.
I think that Man of Steel and Zack Snyder's Justice League were nice takes on Superman. BvS is meh. The reason I think it kinda worked in BvS was because some people were genuinely scared of him because they thought that he would just start killing for no reason
Big blue is one of my favourite and I find him as a BEST superheto figure simply because he just doing a heroic things. He is clearly good and human.
btw "Superman vs the Elite" is amazing Superman story 🤩🤩🤩
All-Star Superman, Kingdom Come Superman etc.
Really love Supes as a character.
Superman is wonderful... always loved him... but he's been misinterpreted on screen as of late...
Want a great Superman movie ?
Watch the Christopher Reeve movies... he's the best for a reason ❤️💙
4:49 Honestly, even that argument falls flat when you remember that we've got much better nuanced approaches to instances where he wouldn't totally snap, decades earlier.
The STAS episode "Brave New Metropolis" explores a reality where Lois died and Superman teamed up with Luthor to become a brutal enforcer. Prime Lois talks him out of it and he works on repairing his mistakes.
Or if I'm gonna give the most obvious story which handled this well, Kingdom Come. Joker killed Lois and Magog killed Joker. One thing led to another and Kansas got destroyed. Clark went into hiding until Diana called him out of retirement. It was difficult, but he OVERCAME his grief. He's still hurt and broken. But he still puts on the tights to help those in need. It's funny how Kingdome Come Diana helped him through his grief while Injustice Diana just enabled all of his worst tendencies.
i actually really like arkhamverses superman, really got a good voice and he actually looks like the man of steel
great channel, just saw basically all ur videos. u need more subs
To be fair though, while invincible gave us an evil superman, it also gave us a Superman as well. Mark is so similar to the character and reminds me of him a lot.
Erm….
I use do not like superman as well but after seeing some of the movies, ect I start to understand him, batman is still my fav DC hero of all time, great video btw :)
You need to see superman vs the eilte. Or any of the dc animated staght to video movies there really good and are often overlooked.
Tim Daly will always be favorite Clark Kent/Superman, for the same reason Christopher Daniel Barnes will always be my favorite Peter Parker/Spider-Man and why Kevin Conroy will always be my favorite Bruce Wayne/Batman (R.I.P.).
Clancy Brown will always be my favorite Lex Luthor for the same reason Neil Ross will always be my favorite Norman Osborn/Green Goblin and why Mark Hamill will always be my favorite Joker.
im glad these vidoes are showing people the real superman, but there is way to many that go over the exact same points
To be fair, Injustice Superman killing Lois Lane *also* set off a nuclear warhead in Metropolis killing millions, because the detonator was linked to some kind of sensor surgically placed into her.
Not to say that justifies flipping so abruptly, but still.
Also, sorry about your bad experience with that Evil Superman at Subway. I had a similar experience at Arby's when another Evil Superman froze my mozzarella sticks with his ice breath.
Freezing the mozzarella sticks is worse than any accidental warhead he set off
@@WholeShebangYT Two wrongs don't make a right, especially in *this* case.
Animated Superman vs the elite converted me from a hater to a lover of big blue.
I can get behind my adventure with Superman it's not Superman and I hate how everybody always want to talk about how Schneider's virtual Superman wasn't Superman but this version is Superman The only reason why I can see somebody liking something is because it's more cheerful Superman which again pick up a comic book Superman is cheerful but a lot of his stories are serious stories especially in today's comic book landscape yeah there are a few happy-go-lucky moments but I don't like how nobody allows Superman to be the complexity like you say you wanted to be complexity but then when he is complex or when he's being in fear of people or whatever that's not interesting No it is interesting because just like this is what people see what would realistically happen if Superman did show up to the world would we be all bright friendly or what would be nervous would be questioning his motives and the answer is yes but when my ventures with Superman and I just can't get behind the fact that it is a disrespect to Superman honestly it's some kitty cooker nonsense wear it's like okay so we had an accurate Superman with Superman the animated series didn't get my adventures with Superman which is nowhere close to Superman but yet people are praising this version of Superman because of the notion of we haven't had that many triple Superman but if I miss a lot of people won't even read Superman comic books neither So it's the most weirdest thing ever like yes I am over the evil Superman but in the sniper verse he wasn't evil he was possessed by the life equation and if you read final crisis you know the life equation turns Superman evil or under the possession of whoever has the equivalent and I'm quite sure if he wasn't cut off Snyder we would have got enough full hopeful Superman but it's kind of like what can we do besides the whole happy-go-lucky Superman You know what I mean because everybody always say he's a big blue Boy scout and then when you challenge that or when you put them in another light Oh now he's not interesting or he's doing too much So I don't know it's weird but I can't get jiggy with my adventurous man it it is nowhere close to Superman every time I watch it I'm like this is only a Superman name only none of the characters act like Superman I'm sorry
My problem was never his power. He gets his ass kicked multiple times lol. It’s his super goody two shoes attitude that’s boring to me but I still like him 🤷🏿♂️.
Yeah, I don’t really like Superman at all. When I watch the My Adventures with Superman, it made me fell in love with the character
Nobody’s gonna like what I’m gonna say, but for me personally, if it weren’t for Zack Snyder, I wouldn’t have gotten into Superman
People hate hate Superman love Snyder’s version. Weird…
Ew 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
@@dukeheavens9990 first of all you don’t have to be an asshole about it but I hate I’m just saying if it weren’t for the movie to come out, I would’ve not gotten into Superman
I felt the same way for a long time
Do you know why Goku is not considered boring and Superman is considered boring?
The answer is that Goku doesn't need a live action movie made by James Gunn to be loved.
yet when goku got a live action film it was garbage whereas christopher reeves superman film literally paved the way for the superhero genre in cinema.
Watch Shin Ultraman to see what realistic superman suppose to be.
he wasnt going to be injustice evil he was going to be under darksides control
Bullshit he was
you do know that hating a fictional character is stupid right
Not “Truth, justice, and a better tomorrow” that’s that new modern bullshit it’s “Truth, justice, and the American way”
You do know the original catchphrase was the "Champion of the Oppressed",right?
@@kingtiger5040 but then they changed it to truth justice and the American way for a reason so that’s what I go with
agreed
Just watch Superman The Animated Series and Justice League The Animated Series.
Henry Cavill desserts better
What desserts are we talking here
I don’t like that he’s portrayed as a wimp though we always see him getting his a$$ beat by Batman or the villain he’s fighting.
His villains are supposed to match him so that they can be a physical threat.
kinda funny how superman vs the elite from 10 years ago is still relevant thanks to modern cynical view on superheroes, also kingdom come did the joker kills loise lane first with a sadder version of superman where he just gives up
technically, injustice superman and kingdom come superman are two different types of characters. injustice superman loses lois lane, because he was the one that killed her and metropolis by accident. for kingdom come superman he wasn't the cause for the killing in the first place. actually if you read kingdom come, that superman was about to become injustice superman. the only reason why clark didn't kill everyone in the UN is because a pastor talked down superman to killing everyone in the UN.
Side tangent: you would think with clark's background in journalism, that modern stories would have him deal with fake news, misinformation and outrage culture.
@@johnthai6188ngl i always forget he is a journalist with how little they use it besides him going to dangerous places for superman to step up sometimes
Everyone seems to have their own critique of what a character should be and with Superman it’s rather polarising.
When I was a little kid I used to watch the old serial animated superman show where his costume was darker and he was a silent yet vigilante hero who was a beacon of hope in a world of peril. There was a dramatic flair to superman that I think the reeves movies sadly lost because they focused on the charm and benevolence that superman is best known for. Cavill embodied the traits of the original superman from that old cartoon and that’s why he’s my favourite. I actually prefer a broody, gloomy, yet vigilant superman. I see superman as an alien not a some farm boy from Kansas. Turning superman into a patriotic American hero is flanderization and that’s not how I perceive him to be.
If snyder made him boring therefore he is borinf
Captain America is all the good qualities of superman without the nonsense. And this doesn't change the fact that Superman is still walking plot armor.
And this is just my opinion, but being all morally virtuous is boring because he lacks depth. That's why I love Ironman more than Captain America (when he's not being a psychopath).
What comics did you read that made you come up with this opinion?
@@Jose-uy5qc Two specific instances, oddly revolving around Supermans strongest enemy.
1. Superman ripped Doomsday in half, which should not be possible considering this character killed him before.
2. Superman literally fought a kryptonite Doomsday. No special equipment. Just bear knuckles. Bullshit. Kryptonte only seems to work when the writers want it too.
Bonus: There was a recent comic where Superman just magically made up powers to beat Lex Luther. Where'd it come from? Who knows. Who cares? It's Superman.
Captain America may also be a boyscout, but I respect him a whole lot more than some godlike being. He's just a soldier with a shield and some enhanced attributes. But he still will stare down Thanos and somehow someway try to pull a W. I respect that and find that way more interesting than flying plot armor.
Superman defeating Lex was from a power-up from a previous arc and was short-lived.
I’m sorry is till really don’t like him. He’s still boring to me, and still overpowered.
Nah he's pretty badass and cool
Modern superman is too much like Jesus. He needs to be more like Moses
Or how bout write Superman like Superman
Or a Superman being a human would be nice, like the Kent family raised him to be
@@petermj1098 superman is based on moses you didnt know that
given that both his creators were jews
@@vengeance4566 You know what superman i would love to return to, the superman that stands for being the champion of the oppressed, because he dealt with human issues. or how about, the idea that clark kent being a news reporter means something, to the superman conflicts.
Everyone seems to have their own critique of what a character should be and with Superman it’s rather polarising.
When I was a little kid I used to watch the old serial animated superman show where his costume was darker and he was a silent yet vigilante hero who was a beacon of hope in a world of peril. There was a dramatic flair to superman that I think the reeves movies sadly lost because they focused on the charm and benevolence that superman is best known for. Cavill embodied the traits of the original superman from that old cartoon and that’s why he’s my favourite. I actually prefer a broody, gloomy, yet vigilant superman. I see superman as an alien not a some farm boy from Kansas. Turning superman into a patriotic American hero is flanderization and that’s not how I perceive him to be.
i love superman but i hate his red trunks and wish they would go the way of the dinosaurs
The red trunks aren't going anywhere, despite efforts to get rid of them. There's nothing even wrong with the red trunks.
If you hate the trunks you are not a Superman fan despite what you think.
@@bumface1810 YEAH and gatekeeping is ok 🙄
Yes ‘gatekeeping’ is necessary to maintain a products integrity. The left invented the term to try and shame purists into accepting subversion.
Why are my responses getting deleted? ‘Gatekeeping’ is needed to prevent subversion.
Good video but the saying is Truth, Justice, and the American Way. Nobody tells me otherwise.
Superman is a superhero with no borders. Truth, Justice, and a better tomorrow is so much better
Very disappointed by the halfway mark. It's perfectly okay if you aren't a fan of Snyder's trilogy, but there were many misconceptions that have been thrown around for years present in this video.
If you want to learn with a open-mind from people with more positive perspectives on this Superman, I recommend these channels: CinemaWins, Twin Perfect, Hawk of Krypton, and All Hail King Rex! and Knights of the Nerd's Table. I'm sure you'll be able to understand even if you still don't like it afterwards.
Besides that, everything else was solid and agreeable!
Thank you for the advice, I’ll make sure to check it out!
the thing of Superman being more "Human" is kind of dumb cuz reasons why Humans aren't as pure is cuz of Survival.
Superman is indestructible he can save an old ladies cat without worrying of being late for work or falling off the tree and have thousands in debt for a stubbed toe. Reason we have Wars and fight is cuz of SURVIVAL to defend one's home or ppl. Superman can be reckless and save whoever bc there's no worry. And before some nitwit says it.
No. Kryptonite doesn't even affect Superman even more, he legit fought a Kryptonite enhanced Doomsday h2h and still won and Now man has Electric powers all of a sudden from WHO knows where but y'all eat that up.
There's a reason Spider-Man and Batman are top sellers bc everytime they go out there they might not come back, they have COURAGE and THAT'S what's inspiring THAT'S a FAR more human character bc even though they're bones crack and blood stains the streets they'll keep fighting to protect the innocent to protect the weak. There's a reason Death of Superman is SO popular it's cuz it embodies the philosophy of heroism that even against death you carry on.
If you love Superman all love❤️ to you but I just can't Idk why but just not for me chief
You do know Superman gets whooped a large majority of the time and fights people on his level quite often,right?The Kryptonite-infused doomsday fight only happened once and you know what also happened once?Superman getting steamrolled by a literal steamroller.
@@kingtiger5040 Nobody complains about Hulk Wolverine or Thor being semi-immortal, super powerful, and always impossible to stay dead…Yet Superman gets crapped on for it.
Mmmm
*womp* *womp*
Nah he's pretty boring
Nah he's pretty cool
I was a Batman guy since the age of 6. Totally steeped in Gotham City and its lore. Didn't like Superman at all. Thought he was dull and lame. Man of Steel (the Snyder film) changed that for me. I became a fan. The character does have the propensity to be boring in the wrong hands, but when done well there's nothing quite like it. But I'm open to different interpretations of the character's mythos unlike some of the diehards who can't seem to get past the Reeve iteration. Reeve was superlative as Superman but i don't understand the need for him to be the template going forward.
People who love Snyder’s version hates Superman as a character
@petermj1098 That's a very idiotic generalization right there pal.
@@kingtiger5040 Angry Joe is literally the only person who loves Man of Steel but doesn’t bash on the actual popular versions of Superman. Every other Man of Street fan bashes on every other popular version of Superman.
Homelander is a great villain, though. Even if he is an evil superman, the show makes him more than that,
Zack is just bum who killed dc
Zack is good with visual but lacks in writing and it's genuinely frustrating bc if he had better writing he'd be top 10 easily.
@@eyoeltesfay-tf4kl I think Thor,Hulk,Silver Surfer and Sentry far more OP than Superman but yet are still loved.
Vanilla Superman is the least interesting version in my opinion. There's no emotional weight to the character and no sense of urgency. Evil Superman, parent/mentor Superman, and antihero Superman are all more compelling takes on the character.
Such a shit take. Superman is not a character that necessitates being morally corrupted or conflicted. He acts as a beacon of virtue and kindness against a backdrop of anti heroes and modern edgy characters. To turn him into one is to dismantle everything he represents. This take is held only by people who don’t know shit about Superman. The only good evil Superman stories were in the 50s when they were played for comedy.
@@hasthehighground8560 How can Superman act as a beacon of virtue and kindness when he has nothing at stake? It's easy to take a bullet for someone when you are bulletproof, that doesn't make you virtuous. It's easy to help 10 people in 10 minutes when you can see everyone, hear everyone, and travel to anywhere on the planet in 1 second flat. Doesn't make you kind or selfless, just means you have an abundance of free time.
@@Aldridge517 because he’s a superhero and therefore not real. He’s fictional, he’s supposed to be an aspiration and taking such a narrow minded and literal approach to fiction is so ridiculous. “He has superpowers so why should he be a beacon of hope?” Maybe it’s because every superhero possesses attributes and abilities beyond that of humans? Superman is meant to be a figure we strive to be like, we can’t be like him, but his values of sincerity, decency, and respect are ones that could be easily applicable to the real world.
The superpowers are there to be entertaining to the reader. They don’t define him as a character because his greatest strength is the compassion he has for others.
The fact that Superman can take bullets for people and does so makes him virtuous, lmao. What kind of bullshit argument is that? Superman could very easily become a tyrant and use his powers to conquer but doesn’t because that’s not who he is, that’s not who Ma and Pa raised him to be and he has a moral obligation not to.
The fact that Superman goes out of his way to help everyone makes him selfless. Just because he can help people efficiently doesn’t make him not selfless. Like, that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.
Superman literally has everything at stake. He has the safety of human civilization to worry about.
@@hasthehighground8560 You know why Jesus works as a beacon of virtue and kindness? Because Jesus is human. He doesn't have diamond skin, superhuman speed, strength, intelligence, and the ability to survive on sunlight. Vanilla Superman doesn't work as a beacon for humanity because he's walking through life on easy mode. It's easy to be sincere, decent, respectful, and compassionate when you are a god among insects. To steal an analogy from Invincible; The human race are like pets to Superman. He's our caregiver, not our equal.
Superman's mission statement is to help humanity at his leisure. That means if Darkseid attacks tomorrow and kills a million people, Superman's goals are unaffected as long as the next day he can hold the door open for someone at the Daily Planet. There's no sense of urgency or progress. As long as a fraction of the human race survives, Superman can continue to be of service. That's a boring objective.
By contrast, Evil Superman's goal is conquest. That's an attainable goal with a definitive ending and progress that can be quantified. Parent/mentor Superman's goal is to raise a protege, this adds emotional weight to the character that Vanilla Superman does not have. Antihero Superman's goals are selfish and therefore relatable to readers. Maybe he wants vengeance, maybe he wants to protect a specific person for selfish reasons, maybe he wants to join the Green Lantern Corp because he likes the rings. All of these goals are more compelling than, "I want to save lives when I'm not going on dates with Lois Lane and reporting on the news."
You don’t get Superman