IIRC, he didn’t know where every Vault was. He did have a computer database and he was in a Vault but he could access Vaults if he found them. It’s why the Mutant Lieutenant tries to get the location or Vault 13 through intimidation.
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes The Fallout Bible made in preperation for Van Buren specifies he found a caravan of explorers from Vault 14 in the Boneyard in 2155, took over their vault, turned them all into Super Mutants, and build the Cathedral on top of the Vault. The Vault contained a record of every vault in the area down to it's ROUGH location. Vault 13 and 15 are in the middle of the mountains with hidden entrances, so even if you know the general 'spot' on the map it's not easy to find. They knew where Vault 12 was though, hence the garrison at Necropolis and killing them when they aren't needed. Also they need to claw their way through all the resistance on the way there. 500 days after the game starts and they reach Vault 13 and wipe it out regardless of your actions, 400 days if you let the Water Merchants go up there.
Either way, both vaults in the show has their entrance out in the open, it's highly unlikely that his patrols would miss them, not to mention wastelandrs would be talking about coming across them. So even if he didn't have a map of locations, he would have known 🤔 maybe he knew about how dumb the dwellers were and reasoned that they wouldn't even turn into dumdums? 😂
@@johankarlsson1776 most people that received the Forced Evolutionary Virus straight up died. People with minimal radiation exposure had a higher chance of turning into a mutant than dying. Now the Vault Dweller does become a mutant in the non-canon ending of Fallout 1, but then again, that ending would mean Fallout 2 wouldn’t happen.
*sigh* Emil gives us Nate's backstory, tries to backpedal it, AFFIRMS it while doing so, and goes on to say "whatever the player did is what's canon". Okay, then New Vegas ends with an NCR victory and the TV show is wrong. Done and dusted.
Yes, my psychopathic female cannibal, terrifying presence, good karma, NCR courier who tortures legionaries and eats Kimball, Caesar and Mr House (but not the king, nobody messes with the king dude) and has unhinged conversation 90% of the time because of having 3 charisma but manages to sound convincing when saying the most outrageous things because of 100 speech is canon and nobody can prove me wrong.
the funniest thing for me is how the settlement of Philly is structured so much like a Bethesda game city. Like you have the place surrounded by high walls with only one large entrance in, then the interior is incredibly small to help performance. Why is Philly build like we have to worry about performance issues in a tv show?
Not only is her Vault real close to the Boneyard, it's about a fart sniff's distance from the Cathedral. The equivalent of three vaults in one location, within pissing distance... of The Master.
master didn't have the location of all vaults, the fo1 time limit literally goes donw by 100 days when you order water supply to your vault, because unity patroll notices it goes to a vault
@@kubistonek Yes, that's how the Master can find vault 13, which is 300 miles away and hidden inside a mountain. Lucy's vault is on the surface in a place where you could see it from a Cathedral window.
The best summary of what Bethesda has made of the fallout universe could be expressed by Ulysses: "They brought me before the campfire one night, showed me how they changed themselves, how they wore their hair now. It was like my entire dead tribe in the firelight, teeth grinning red in the dark - eager corpses, blood-covered ghosts. They... had taken my braids, the way of the Twisted Hairs, as if it showed they were like me, of me... ...while every knot in their braids spoke of raping, violence - and ignorance of what the knots meant. They thought to show respect... defiled it. Lost myself in trying to read the braids they wove, when I remembered they had put no meaning in it. They had no history of what it meant. They didn't even know the insult in the twists, knots... and Dry Wells came rushing back, the White Legs circled like that... It was like looking at the dead of my tribe, reborn as ghosts - hateful, hungry, bowing to Caesar. Another history... gone, carried by me alone." Bethesda and Amazon only mimic Fallout theme without undestanding it.
Every sequel to a franchise which lacks its original creators becomes a shadow of the original. You cannot reverse engineer art and adequately replicate the impossible combination of emotions/ideas that compose it
"They brought me before the release date for Fallout 3 one night, showed me how they changed themselves, how they wore their development now. It was like my entire gaming studio: Interplay in the firelight, teeth grinning red in the dark - eager corpses, blood-covered ghosts. They... had taken my lore, the way of the classic Fallout, as if it showed they were like me, of me... ...while every programming and direction in their gameplay spoke of raping, violence - and ignorance of what the consistency meant. They thought to show respect... defiled it. Lost myself in trying to read the lack of a creative narrative they have written , when I remembered they had put no meaning in it. They had no history of what it meant. They didn't even know the insult in the themes, ideals... and Interplay came rushing back, Bethesda circled like that... It was like looking at the dead of my intellectual property, reborn as ghosts - hateful, hungry, bowing to Todd Howard and Emil paragulio. Another Fallout... gone, carried by me alone."
This is probably the truest thing I've read in a comment section in years. The big issue on top of that is it seems thats exactly what people want. Story doesn't matter anymore things being pretty for your eyes is what matters thats why so many shows and movies get overhyped now days
Isn’t Los Angeles(The boneyard, as you mentioned) where Morpheus and The Master are? I’ve only ever played the first game, but I’m pretty sure they were looking for vaults
Your almost close, they are in the cathedral, which is basically a jogging distance away from the boneyard. Actually, gun runners originated from boneyard! Aint that fun
I was saying in a Fallout group let's have both Obsidian AND Bethesda have access to the Fallout license. Obsidian gets the West Coast and Bethesda gets the East Coast. That way You can appease fans on both sides. I've been playing Fallout since 97 so I'm a hard-core Obsidian loyalist so 1, 2 and New Vegas all the way. I'm fine with Bethesda fans having their games just let us have our versions too with all the Lore, Skills, Traits ect intact.
@@viviendario2969 I would recommend looking into Fallout Fixt, and if you haven't purchased them yet you should consider doing it from GOG, since it's a better platform for old games.
The reason the slate of the west coast was wiped cleaned, is because Todd wants Fallout 5 on the west coast. He’s far too arrogant and petty to respect the established lore. He doesn’t want Fallout 5 to be tethered to the classic lore. That’s why the wasteland is post-apocalyptic rather post-post apocalyptic. Also, I want to point out how Bethesda overuses resets in their games and lore. Oblivion can be argued a being a reset for The Elder Scrolls, which erased the weirder lore and worldbuilding of previous games. Skyrim seconded that reset as well, wiping away previous lore again. The end result was Elder Scrolls becoming bland and easily markable to normies. Which again, shows why the Fallout tv series wiped away the old lore and worldbuilding. It's just to reset everything back to square one. It also further dumbs down the lore and worldbuilding to appeal to normies.
That would be disappointing if they did because Bethesda so far has used new locations for new games. FO3 in Washington, D.C. and FO4 in Massachusetts. I don’t see why Texas, Florida, Iowa, Illinois, or New York cannot be FO5
Your mad that a Publisher legally purchased an IP from a dying studio and decided to make it their own? Why don’t you go cry to interplay for being a horrible publisher…. No one’s forcing you to like modern fallout or even pay attention to how the lore has changed. And what does normies even mean? Because in my eyes it means people who have successful careers and family’s who want simple entertainment for a couple hours a week. Let me guess your 30+ living with your parents, possibly having a low income job, no real life friends and chronically online? Yeah I’d rather be a normie bro
@@tannerdoyle6402 Not really, you're competely wrong. And yeah, Interplay should have done better, they can share some of the blame. Also, I'm not mad the IP was purchased, but how the IP has been treated and used since then. Bethesda doesn't understand Fallout, except for surface level details and symbolism. Even at that, what they DO understand is very limited. Instead of being humble, they rather try to force Fallout to become something it isn't. Also, by "normies" I didn't mean normal people, but people who simply eat up any slop Bethesda or any major corporation gives them.
Remember when Todd said something like: "Showrunners came to me with the idea of nuking Shady Sands and it shocked me..." Well it makes me think Todd asked them to do it in purpose amongst other things to erase West coast lore and start from scratch (AGAIN). The man tells nothing but lies.
he or whoever is assissting the development of fallout games in BGS definitely has a vendetta against the original philosophy of fallout, makes sense why everytime hes involved the content either gets curbstomped or has to ignore some vital plot point for it to exist.
I remember Pete Hines saying that they're "not going to keep their games limited by the past" (to paraphrase) to justify the kid in the fridge bullshit and not caring about established lore. Fallout 1 tells us what happens when you deprive a city of ghouls of water! Todd and Emil barely respects The Elder Scrolls lore and retconned plenty of stuff in Oblivion and Skyrim. Fallout is nothing but a cash cow to them. 😢
The only part of the video I disagree with is that the tv series retcons weren't an ego driven retaliation for fans placing Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas above the Bethesda slop. They obviously are. The setting of the tv series could have been anywhere. Chicago. St. Louis. The capital. Boston. But no, they specifically picked west coast and LA, specifically decided to include New Vegas game characters in the story, etc. With this being specific choices, the retcons then have be specific choices as well. Why move Shady Sands? Why even make it a story point in the series at all? They could have just made a script reference in actor lines to it. Instead, they specifically moved the location, specifically nuked it, specifically made it a story line with retcons. The ONLY way you can take it is Todd's ego is still hurt that his games are viewed as trash by the OG fans.
Not so. I mean, you may be correct, but we don't know his mind. What we DO know is what the show writers told us the theme would be, and that's haves vs have-nots. This was never a theme of fallout before, but it's the new canon. So who thinks haves vs have-nots is a major deal IRL? Who would write Vault-Tec so stupidly, and the Brotherhood for that matter? Who would think that a totally unnecessary massacre during a wedding would be justified in any way? Who would think Lee Moldaver, the Communist idiot, is a hero? The Woke. They're Intersectional Neo-Marxists, and they absolutely hate everything that isn't themselves. Most of the time. Sometimes they hate themselves, too, but they're very intolerant and they feel like they deserve revenge for the imagined oppression society has visited on them. They wrote this fuckin' pile of garbage, and yeah, they are destroying Fallout lore. The NCR had to die so they could replace it with their version. WHether Todd is on board with that, or if he has any clue what they're doing, i don't know. Fallout has always been "progressive" to some extent, so it wouldn't surprise me if he was, but this is not necessarily his revenge for Obsidian making a better game. It is quantifiably the revenge of the Woke, like we've seen in so many other series' and films.
@@arcdecibel9986 Oh yes. The entire series is just... woke... with TWO male leads to the ONE female. I mean, how... woke... can you get? And even giving the cool power armor to one of the men and having dogmeat with the other male lead. But it's the... revenge of the woke!!!! Because if you don't like something now days, it's just... woke. Really?
I mean if have seen his face during Game awards in which his Magnum Opus Star Field didn't get a single award....well let's just say I can imagine, absolutely imagine him to destroy Fallout west out of spite @@arcdecibel9986
Nuking and battle are both ego-ticklers here. Shady sands was destroyed because Todd hated it, so as producer he probably asked to do this. BoS battle with NCR is probably braggibg about how their writing with holy-but-in-grey-morality Brotherhood is luch more superior to those dirty Black Isle/Obsidian. Hm, to think, are those mutants in the vault who worship NCR kinda a nod to FNV fans? Maybe it's Emily's problem, their lead writer, rather than Todd's
Yes, I'm so glad you mentioned fallout being "post" post-apocalypse I would much rather explore how society grows and evolves over the years, than a rubble sandbox looter shooter
Books, tv-shows, videogames etc.: everything nowadays is "enjoy product and be excited for next product". Never pre-order, FOMO is for pussies, dare to wait a couple years for the 95% discounts and enjoy whatever you get for whatever it is. Or pirate EVERYTHING and only put money into something when it's deemed worthy then...
Contemporary media is designed to carry an institutional message... not a personal one. there's no freedom of expression here anymore. So, it always feels hollow
You've just stated exactly what I've been doing for the last decade. If I knew you, I'd buy you a beer. We'd probably get on just fine and that's rare in what feels like an ocean of consooomer troglodyte fanboys. Honestly, just this comment section is refreshing.
"They brought me before the release date for Fallout 3 one night, showed me how they changed themselves, how they wore their development now. It was like my entire gaming studio: Interplay in the firelight, teeth grinning red in the dark - eager corpses, blood-covered ghosts. They... had taken my lore, the way of classic Fallout, as if it showed they were like me, of me... ...while every programming and direction in their gameplay spoke of raping, violence - and ignorance of what the consistency meant. They thought to show respect... defiled it. Lost myself in trying to read the lack of a creative narrative they have written , when I remembered they had put no meaning in it. They had no history of what it meant. They didn't even know the insult in the themes, ideals... and Interplay came rushing back, Bethesda circled like that... It was like looking at the dead of my intellectual property, reborn as ghosts - hateful, hungry, bowing to Todd Howard and Emil paragulio. Another Fallout... gone, carried by me alone."
It needs to be stated that multiple YTers talking about this show have received unprecedented floods of specifically worded comments that could very easily be bots. I strongly suspect that much of the "praise" this show gets is entirely fabricated to make it seem more popular than it is... but at the same time there are critics I usually respect who somehow found a way to like this show, so either way there is something very strange going on here. Either recent advancements in AI have lead to some kind of experiment in fabricating media engagement, or standards for media have fallen below some threshold that makes even those who strive to keep consistent standards accepting of stories that not even 5yrs ago they would've ridiculed mercilessly. Probably a bit of both, but in either case, the Fallout show is a cringe-inducing disaster even in complete isolation of established lore, so I accept no excuses from anyone claiming it's good. It isn't fun, it isn't funny, it isn't in keeping with the lore, it doesn't have a single good character or plotline, it has one good performance and some nice shots. Even f**king marvel meets this standard. This show should not be acceptable to anyone.
lots of astroturfing too, you have fallout "content creators" like juicehead going of their way peddling bethesda "lore logic" as soon as "official line" shows on x account of either Emil or Todd. Buying troll farms for commenting en-masse is just no-brainer expense at this point. At this point maybe someone should go full Ryan McBeth on the thing , identyfying flow and control structure
It's prolly both, the formulaic nature of a lot of the praise is too rehearsed to be a coincidence and it's a joint venture by two corporations with more money than god they can absolutely afford that kind of astroturfing, at the same time standards have absolutely fallen people who rip apart other products for the same flaws often milder even yet give this one a pass for no adequately given reason
Dude you are massively overthinking this and need to understand that everyone has different opinions and that you may be in the minority. My fiancé loved the show and has never played a Fallout game. I thought it was funny, had good writing, and the characters were great. Sounds like it just isn’t your cup of tea which is fine. I think RDR2 is incredibly slow and boring, but I can see why people love it and why it’s regarded the way it is.
Remember when Borderlands was accused of aping Fallout? Well, now that Bethesda's dream of Fallout being nothing more than a post-apocalyptic theme park has been realised, Fallout has become a Borderlands clone.
@@saturiankhazard Dude ! Seriously ? ! Lucie is Ugly ? Or THE ghoul is ugly ? ! (well, that's a matter of opinion ...) ___ Ok, Ok, to each his own ... I find Lucie extremely attractive as a young Woman !
Showrunner straight up admitted they got rid of NCR offscreen because it was inconvenient to sandbox of genre cliches they wanted to play in: "I think it would have been a mistake to go from the retro-futuristic America to another America that has been fully civilised and the NCR is doing everything great," Wagner said in response to a question about the controversial decision to nuke Shady Sands. "We love Deadwood. I think if there was a fourth season of Deadwood, there'd be insurance companies, there'd be traffic, and it wouldn't be a Western anymore. We wanted to live in that first season of Deadwood space, of like, 'What's going to happen? Where is everything?"" They could have found some clever way to actually change the world these stories take place in and add actual drama and crisis in the face of the NCR trying to tame the wasteland (this was the whole theme of NV and none of those endings even implied NCR could scale indefinitely).... instead of just hitting the reset button.
I thought the fighting scenes in the trailers with NCR vs BOS was going to entail that- which when watching left me disappointed honestly. It's like the entire season was afraid to mention the NCR, I'm not opposed to them failing or even being nuked because that doesn't mean all of them are gone- vault 4 was proof of remnants of them but the fact that they kinda turn the dwellers there into cultist is disappointing to say the least. I was excited seeing what Shady Sands looked like when Lucy was a smaller child with her mother, with the trolleys and junk. Kinda wished we could've had that before it getting taken away, because it uplifts Lucy's story but in exchange of any interesting world-building.
That's interesting. Also, if they wanted to have a sandbox they could have just put the show somewhere else that would allow for the kind of show they were looking for like in Wyoming or Texas.
For me, it wasn't about Fallout lore (Although there is problems there) Most of the thing was written for COVENIENCE as a result SO MANY THINGS are not consistent. also didn't like how hard they tried be 'quirky' it appearss to be written for CHILDREN and completeely undermines any feeling of DANGER. I'm no movie critic, but myself just get getting slapped in the face with things that don't match up or make sense.. Going back watching a second time realize most of the show isinconsistent and made up as they went along.. If I were a Movie critic and/or Falout fan could make a 12 hour video on how many things this show does wrong.
yeah since the mcu got so popular now everyone thinks its cool trying to act all quirky with the writing, like its terrible and it always kills the tension.
Ive pretty much just given up on Fallout. I was hoping to one day see nations rising and falling in wars for control of the US, but with how Bethesda rolls, it'll always be the same post apocalyptic setting, with ugly ass weapons and armor.
Join the club. I'm increasingly wondering if a lot of the hype the show is getting is from a dedicated astroturfing campaign, given how "bot-ey" a lot of the responses are.
Yea man, damage control is in full swing. If these people just sit back and let people speak, so many of us wouldn't be so tempted to make our own videos..
Maybe cuz you are insane. Its a good show, and youre rage filled blindness is the only thing stopping you from enjoying it same with the rest of life. Stop complaining and have fun once in a while.
I had the same exact experience when Star Wars The Force Awakens came out. Basically fans are stupid easy to please. Throw enough flashy scenes and member berries at the audience and they'll eat it up. They only care how it looks and not the heart and soul of it. Doesn't matter if the story is a complete mess, or the lore and world building is so butchered it will sabotage future installments. When The Force Awakens came out I knew the story was so bad it was going to cause problems for future installments. Because of it's success Disney went headlong into pushing the Sequel Trilogy. Look at the disappointment that was Galaxy's Edge. A common response I got to my criticisms was, "You can't judge The Force Awakens until Episode 8 comes out." Then the Last Jedi came out and vindicated my thoughts about TFA. People hated that movie and the Star Wars franchise has struggled since. Disney has invested so much money and ego into the Sequel Trilogy they are hard pressed to abandon it. That is my fear with Fallout. The reception has been so positive that not only are future seasons of the show going to be awful, but the show is going to start impacting the story development and world building of future games. By the time people realize the Fallout show is garbage it will be too late. It will have an irreversible impact on future installments. NCR will be just nuked out of existence, Ghouls will be reduced to zombies, the Brotherhood will be a bunch of vile jerks, all nuance will be gone and Fallout will become a total parody of itself.
My verdict was that the show was essentially a theme park ride with a Fallout theme. Plenty of interesting visuals. But don’t think too hard about the plot.
It's not even a "don't think too hard" situation. To get anything at all out of it, you can't think *at all*. It's entirely "no think, only consume product."
Best way I can describe Fallout show is two words, Psychotically childish. When reason and morality went out the window, not only people be carefree to their behaviour, they also see virtue and the good as a after thought, that even inmate prisoners would think is tasteless and senseless. So the type of people who write fallout show, and the people who encourage it, must have a very cynical or careless outlook in life itself.
But the point of Fallout is that you’re in an atmosphere where people are desperate and paranoid and many would resort to doing something otherwise abhorrent, because of the lawless situation you are in.
@@KaosNova2 And that's a excuse for the protagonist to give in to compulsive behaviour? Even in the environment like fallout, you still have people like our reality, doing their best to survive, and like any environment, you will have the good and the bad, all down to how one can hold values and reason to the individual. So no, I disagree with you, you will have the bad, you will have the good, no matter the environment. And because this is a story, would you want to see the good do good?
I'm gonna say more, everybody is talking about the NCR, but nobody talks about the complete absence of the Followers of the Apocalypse, they had their hub in Adytum in the Boneyard for God's sake!! I can´t understand how people say that this show is true to the games...
The funny thing is bethesda could have done a post apoc wasteland by place the games only a few years after the bombs fell. Like FO3 makes absolutely no sence being 200 years later but it would make sense to be 30-50 years later at most. Any longer and factions would have cemented themselves and started to rebuild and any shorter and the factions that exist wouldn't have fully formed. When people are able to survive for a while they will figure out a way to thrive and having access to all the tech they had would have meant within a generation or two things would start to rebuild in a series way. Consider the growth and development of the US between 1776 compared to 1976.
I'm a long-time Australian Gamer and somehow, I missed Fallout 1&2, maybe I just wasn't into that sort of game, I forget. I only heard about Fallout 3 because there was a major political shitstorm in Australia at the time about violence in games, and the usual band of do-gooders that believed that all gamers would turn into homicidal maniacs because of video games (none I which they played obviously) and of course they were wrong. But they had a problem with Fallout 3 because of the drug use. Morphine was the original name of in-game Med-X and was changed because of this. Anyway, I never played it, or heard of NV, and I only bought Fallout 4 because it was in a discount bin at the local game shop. I bought about 5 games including Fallout 4 but ended up playing something else. I found it in a box when I moved house in 2018 and gave it a try. I was hooked instantly and ended up playing it over 4000 hours, and the mods are awesome. It's probably my favourite game. I found out about NV and all the NV vs Fallout 4 stuff during that. I tried NV and 3 but tbh I had trouble getting into them because of the look (not graphics quality, just the overall look of them) and I didn't like the gameplay a lot, although the stories were good. Anyway, I guess I'm a Fallout 4 fan, and nothing's going to change that, but even I didn't like the show much. As you said it's more of a Fallout theme park experience. I didn't like many of the characters and the story is poorly written. People's motivations to do things aren't normal human behaviour, the explanations of things don't make a lot of sense when you think about them, and pretty all the humour doesn't quite land. Having said that, it's actually miles better than most shows these days. That how bad entertainment is, "it doesn't suck too much" has become the Gold Standard.
"It doesn't suck too much" is a terrible perspective to have for a product of entertainment, especially to validate the existence of streaming services, however I'd want to say in my personal opinion I feel like it could get better and or that it has the potential to. I don't want to believe that the people working on the show and or in bethesda just inherently want to destroy fallout and or anything from Obsidian. I'm here for the ride but I understand if no one else is in the boat. It's seriously no issue to me since I pirate things anyway so-
It’s tragic that the only rebuttals to this video I’ve read in the comments are: “it’s sad you care so much to make an hour long video” and “you guys are like a cult”. I’ve also seen people label you a conservative in the comments as if to dismiss everything in the video. I don’t care what your political opinions are but nothing in this video even vaguely expresses a conservative lens or political analysis of the show so I have no clue how it’s relevant. The show to me, as a leftist, is the most shallow criticism of capitalism I think I’ve ever seen. Fundamentally lazy to the core. The show is shit regardless where on the political spectrum you sit Apparently, not enjoying something because it is vastly different from the enjoyment you got out of previous instalments makes you a cult member. None of these people commenting this stuff have any arguments. This is genuine brain rot. You go into depth about how lore wise it doesn’t make sense which to some doesn’t matter. However, you also state how the show does not work on a thematic level and is a severely dumbed down version of those old games. On all levels, this show is just not up to the standard of Fallout 1, 2 and NV. Having this opinion makes you cult member apparently and worthy of attack. To me, only one group is showing a cult like mentality and it’s not the maker of this video
I feel like for a lot of people, they only want to see it through their own limited lens. I always saw it as a case where everyone screwed up, hence the resource wars, a plot concept borrowed from the Mad Max movies as the cause of Nuclear Holocaust. I always saw it as similar to The Donner Party on a Global Scale.
@@KaosNova2 Yeah. It was never important who launched the first bomb. It was imperialism from both nations and humanity's inability to coexist with each other. Damn man, the whole franchise is about humanity still being worth saving after everything. In order for war to change, people have to as well
Perhaps the dumbest part is the conspiracy theory about Vault Tec wanting the nuke. Sure, some disasters can be business if you do the rebuilding, but when you assume that a destruction or a disaster is inherently profitable, that becomes the broken window fallacy. And honestly, I despise a greedy company as much as anyone else. But even that is a parasitic situation that relies on having a society in order to do it. Destroying society then what?
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes I don’t think they thought that hard about it. I think the writers looked at Mr House’s plan and just applied it to Vault Tec CEOs instead. CEOs having their own kingdom is their goal. No-one to oppose them. Which doesn’t even make sense when you think about it in context of the show. They can get the policies they desire with lobbying. That’s what real people with money do. If their plan is also to “end war” as it’s a threat to them, they’re sitting on a patent for infinite energy. End the war and make a bunch of money by licensing that out. Mr House in NV did what he did because he had no alternative. In the show, Vault Tec are actively stupid trading their lives of luxury with mansions and yachts for reasons? This show is creatively bankrupt and does not hold up to any scrutiny. I honestly think in a few years people will look back on this and see it for what it is. Season 2 will also come in and make more questionable decisions. Look at Westworld. The entire show fell apart after the first season. The people defending this will try and pretend they hated it all along
I believe the worst aspect of current Bethesda titles is that they aren’t even made for gamers. They are made for devs and people who just get into fallout. It’s iconography which Hollywood is known for doing. Using icons and favorited concepts of media for their own greed. Notice how we didn’t see a single night skin, super mutant, rad scorpion, mongrel, and etc. what we saw that vaguely resembled wild life was phony gulpers and rad roaches. Whether it’s Star Wars, Star Trek, Indiana jones, or Mario. They use the iconographies of popular characters or locations for shows and movies. Remember California? Yeah it’s your favorite fallout setting? Bam you get tons of California stuff. Remember power armor? Bam one of the main characters get it instantly. Remember ghouls? Bam tons of ghouls. They jingle shiny keys in your face while stealing your wallet and spitting in your face. They believe that just because they can, means that they should.
Microsoft must give the Fallout IP to a different studio don’t ever let Bethesda touch it again. get the old devs they didn’t get assassinated John Gonzalez Chris Avellone and Josh Sawyer are still around and everybody who worked on FNV and the originals, this is the team that made FNV.
I see the Fallout TV show as Bethesda trying to retcon the world, undoing everything good from Fallout New Vegas and giving older fans a giant middle finger.
What did they retcon? If you look at the interviews with the creators they state NV isn't retconned and tbh I saw nothing in the show that retconned anything and I've been playing them since 1 came out.
Which is petty but makes monetary sense. The 'Fallout' fans now are Bethesda ones. They know FO1 & FO2 fans went to FNV and are critical of their product
@@DWTerminatordid you guys not see anything anyone has said? Todd said everything happens after new Vegas and new Vegas is cannon u new Vegas players are so unbearable
It's abundantly clear that most people are just mentally becoming the fat wall-e people in space, totally content with their never ending slop. I wasn't really expecting the show to try be canon or even pretend that it would be, nor do I really care one way or the other (only thing that matters are what is in the games), but the low quality and awful writing was enough to turn me off from it. these days all you need for something to be successful is to just make the characters "quirky"
Low quality and awful writing? I'm a fat wall e person cause I didn't fucking hate this show? Cry me a river, so I can float down it. Go back to the last of us or halo
This video was an absolute treat for me, thank you very much for making a very helpful perspective of the whole Fallout series and bringing to light all the lore inconsistencies introduced by Bethesda. All of this is very similar to how I felt about the Star Wars franchise ever since Disney took over about a decade ago.
Out of all the things that could've made me enter a state of apathy about Fallout as a setting, was not anything that BGS did. It was when I realized that modern Fallout fans will accept anything. None of the terrible things Bethesda ever did to the series blackpilled me as hard as that realization.
Bethesda fans have been letting them get away with all manner of crap for way too long. Hell, a lot of people forget Bethesda that was at the forefront of the microtransaction hell we find ourselves in today with the likes of Oblivion's horse armor. As of Starfield it does seem like there's finally some backlash, though it's certainly not enough.
It's funny about how Bethesda online discourse went from rightfully crapping on Starfield, but then here comes this mid-ass show, and suddenly people are begging Bethesda to make Fallout 5, Fallout 4 has 160k player count on Steam and 76 has 70k, and I've seen the appallingly common sentiment that 4 is a good game, and that 76 was always good under the bugs. Oh and let's not forget dunking on classic Fallout fans, and 'letting people play whatever they want', is now like criticizing Bethesda is tantamount to forcing someone to not enjoy their games. I think PatricianTV put it best in his Starfield review, "Starfield is the game you deserve." In that spirit, I am praying that ES6 and Fallout 5 are even worse, because Bethesda fans accepting slop of this level, for this long, deserves nothing better.
modern Fallout fans are not the ppl who opened the CD box in 1998. The franchise has been coopted by Microsoft, and is being propagated as far and wide as is financially beneficial to them
@Retrofire-47 but microsoft wasn't involved at all for FO3 and 4, they bought bethesda fairly resently, so can't blame them for messing up lore, stories and mechanics 🤷♀️
The biggest cope people tell me when I say the series retcons new vegas by having Shady Sands fall in 2277, is that it's not a fall, but a decline. Putting aside that tzeentch level bullshittery for a second, they then go on to say "The NCR was always in decline and on the brink of collapse, they say that in New Vegas all the time!" ... No. No NPC in the game has ever said such a thing. The closest to that is the NCR scientist guy I forgot the name of that sends you to vault 22, who mentions a famine coming... *_in a decade or so._* The game takes place in 2281, over 4 years into this so-called decline. In fact, it's mentioned several times, like in Cass's companion quest that NCR in California is much stronger than whatever you see in the Mojave.
People think that the NCR having trouble securing Hoover Dam while under attack from the largest faction they’ve ever come across means that the entirety of the NCR is at risk of collapse.
Emile P's rejection of continuity just pisses all over decades of the efforts of many novelists to maintain continuity in their lengthy novel series. For that matter, it pisses all over the efforts of 250 years of the blood, sweat, and tears of novelists in general, in the way that he sets a horrific example to writers in general.
Keeping track of everything I've seen so far, some things to point out in a sequel video would be. .GECK's having Cold Fusion already, thus it's an established tech. .Tactics being re-established as fully canon .Some more details on the firearm changes .Citing the 'Nake the Rake' debacle as proof of how haphazard Bethesda can be .The WHOLE Master/Unity/Cathedral/they should all be long gone issue(lot's of time dedicated to this one and premptively taking out the arguments .More other issues I probably missed .Addressing some of the counter arguments here that are legitimate(not a lot, but a few, like it being a 'fun series' or the fact Shady Sands went from 80 KM north-west of Las Vegas Nevada in Fallout 1 to the middle of California in Fallout 2) .Addressing the BS argument that basically says 'All the lore complaints are from 1, 2, and NV, who cares those aren't Bethesda games stop living in the past lol' and the fact there are essentially two fandoms in a trench coat barely being held together by a shared loved of NV and the show is cutting that rope connecting them.
Bethesda hasn’t produced a decent game since Morrowind. I loved that game. Everything after that has been kinda “meh.” But they absolutely destroyed fallout
I can't believe oxhorn and tks mantis despite making so many lore videos praised this show and dickride it so hard, the absolute shilling is insane. I wouldn't be surprised if bethesda paid those two..
@@TiberiumViking_777 soon enough the people who obsess with the show will realise how soulless the newer fallout has become, 10 years from now youll see people asking "we want the old fallout!" like you arent the reason the franchise is in the gutter.
@@ytmld I will not deny what you said & that is true & i never liked the new fallout at the same time i will give it a chance the ONLY fallouts i care about are I, II, III, & FNV that is it Fallout 4 is meh and does not feel like fallout it's a copy and paste of skyrim just with the fallout logo and skin (same with fallout 76) that is why i say fallout is on life support/coma, i think the wisest thing Microsoft can do is revoke the fallout IP from bethesda permanently and give it to people that know what there doing & have a understanding of what fallout is and the Lore.
Realistically, it was killed the moment Bethesda got their grubby mitts on it. New Vegas gave it a shot of adrenaline, but then Fallout 4, 76 and the show turned it into swiss cheese.
what is bethesdas obsession with nukes? It always seemed strange to me that they feel the need to have a nuclear bomb in all of their fallout properties, you got megaton, you nuke the institute, you have...whatever the fuck is going on with fallout 76, and now you got shady sands being nuked. It's almost like they think their audience is too stupid to understand what a nuclear bomb is so they have to give you a live demonstration every single game.
@@DWTerminator Its almost like you didn't play fallout 1 and see the military base and the vault under the cathedral get nuked with literal cutscenes same with the oil rig in fallout 2. That's alright Bethesda bad hurrr durr.
It's almost like Bethesda portrays nukes as fun or funny while Interplay and Obsidian portrayed them as catastrophically powerful weapons that should never be taken lightly. Weird how that works.
That's why in Lonesome Road, you go around with a laser pointer detonating several that are just laying there to end with the possibility of nuking the ncr and legion .
The Fallout show is simultaneously a faithful adaptation of the games and canon to them, while you're also supposed to shut up and ignore the changes to said canon and anything that contradicts the games to just enjoy the fun, dumb show because "hahahahaha wacky Fallout." It can't be a faithful adaptation of the games that's canon while at the same time making whatever changes it wants to established rules and lore from the games. If it wants to go off and do it's own thing and be loosely based on the Fallout lore, then fine, do this parody version of a Fallout series. You just can't be pretending it's faithful and canon while you make a parody of it.
I wasn’t bothered as much by the changes compared to the games compared to the show going “and then this happened” so many times in the plot. I’m not going to complain though, for that disappointment I still was okay with Invincible
Since when had the brotherhood ever travel in pairs? They've always traveled in squads with troops both in and out of power armor Sending one armored knight out with a single untrained unarmored squire is just asking for dead brothers
@@funki4896Even in FO4, so far, Danse (excuse me if I misspelled his name) didn’t do the mission without you as his companion. But that’s as far as I have gone with the Brotherhood missions before I went and got occupied with Minutemen missions.
I haven't watched all of the episodes, but if you referring to knight Titus and the black dude in the beginning they didn't send them out. He was bored and wanted to shoot something.
Firstly, I do believe Tactics IS canon. It's in both Interplay's Fallout Bible from before Van Buren and Bethesda's Official Timeline from 6 weeks back. Secondly, despite the gameplay being...horrible, I don't actually think the main plot of Brotherhood of Steel Console causes too many issues itself actually. Interplay was toying with making it canon during those final months as it tied into Tactics. Tactics 2 would have referenced it if it had finished and Van Buren would be referenced in BOS 2 if they had been finished. TL:DR, It's about a small chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel in Carbon(probably in Western Texas or Utah, it's somewhere in the Southwest) fighting against Attitus, the commander of the last major super mutant army remaining. The BOS already have chapters everywhere, even in the Interplay days and Bethesda just ballooned that, that checks out. The mutant plot also checks out. Even after the Master and Lou die in 2163 and the vats are wiped out, most of the actual active mutant armies on patrol or prepping to invade are intact, and gradually flee east. The good ending for the Brotherhood mentions they work with the newly formed NCR in the following years to drive most of the mutants from the region, and the bad ending for the Khans mentions that a few years after the game they get wiped out by a retreating mutant army. So they are an issue for decades in the region, some flee west, some get wiped out. And Fallout tactics(set in 2197 initially and lasting for a few years) literally starts out with a detachment of the BOS being sent to wipe out Mutant forces who are in the Mid-West that escaped the purges out west. Yes, you end up straying wildly from that initial goal, but the Super Mutants in the mid-west are all wiped out by the end of the game. So the last remaining Mutant army a decade later being in the southwest(probably in West Texas) makes perfect sense, it's the only place left to go.
Talk about a coincidence. I just finished fallout 1 ( and also my first and only fallout game so far ) just a couple of days ago. What can I say? Easily one of the greatest games I've ever played and nowhere near as hard or cryptic as the internet makes it out to be. If anything, the game does a pretty good job at subtly directing you in the right way, provided you actually bother exploring and talking to the NPCs. Even the time limit wasn't that bad. I found the water chip with 100 days left. Why does the ghoul look like that again?
The problem I had with the show is it came across too much of a 'piss take' of the originals, being F1, F2 and FNV. The world of these games is gritty, dark and quite bleak. Sure, there's some satire and humour mixed in, but it's quite subtle and not over the top in-your-face like it was done in the show. They drastically overused 50's music to the point where the show felt cheesy and anti-climactic, and the pacing of the first 3 episodes was boring and lacked any kind of excitement whatsoever. The Brotherhood of Steel were made out to be a bunch of complete clowns as well, nothing at all like their mysterious yet capable persona portrayed in the classics. It's clear that Bethesda has destroyed this series and that the show was not made for true Fallout players who appreciate the lore, only a general demographic of casual gamers that couldn't give a crap about a good story and probably started with F4, a mindless looter-shooter completely devoid of susbstance.
This should be the top comment. It's pretty much cemented in my mind that if anyone likes this show its because fallout 4/76 is the only ge they've played or they haven't played any of them and just like the noise and pretty colors like a todler
I never got the interpretation of fallout being a gritty/dark take on a post apocalypse. FO2 is probably the goofiest title to date with an almost insufferable amount of references and niche 90's nerd humor. And FO:NV had about as many gritty dark plots as it had funny/goofy stuff. In fact all things considered fallout is a pretty goofy series where people shoot themselves in the head, and the tardis aswell as aliens are canon.
And what's sad, due to being the latest single player Fallout game, F4 had the biggest spike in sells and popularity after TV show release. Truly a depressing sight. New Vegas barely managed to get into top 10 and F3 was still higher.
Bethesda just needs to fire their writing team and hire some competent writers and they'd have almost no negative criticism, just the engine is showing its age too
I first got into the 'Fallout' universe when a Navy friend asked if I ever heard of it. He loaned me his PS3 & 'Fallout 3' while he went back home for leave. The 3rd entry pulled me in & I easily sunk +100 hours within 2 weeks. I'd never binge-played like this before & I knew PS3 would be on my shopping list. Alas, I only ever did two full playthroughs. The main story ending either diminished your choice to let a radiation-immune companion be the hero, OR nullified your sacrifice. Then, 'New Vegas' came along & my mind was truly blown away!Once I learned about the OGs from Interplay heading this up, it hyped me & I discovered more lore and company's backstory to this digital universe. This iteration still holds up & I can always come back to it years later, especially with its multiple DLCs that expand & branch out the boundaries so much more than expected. Can't say the same with 'Fallout 4.' It became "casual" and not so fun. To this day, I've never even been bothered to finish it just once after nearly 8 years of owning a physical copy. The show never gave me anything positive to feel as the showrunners stated explicitly before release: _"We didn't make this show for the fans."_ And it most definitely shows their lack & care of the lore within this media.
Of all the "turn your brain off, no think, only consume" mediocrity that constitutes "entertainment" these days, this show is indeed one of the shows of all time.
My verdict was that the show was a theme park ride. I felt like it was trying to be like gameplay and not a regular sci-fi story. Given how it was video game based, that makes some sense.
The thing that sucks for me, is I used to be the hardest of hard core Bethesda fans. But after being abused by them too much, I can't just overlook what they have become. It truly sucks, it sucks really bad. It's something I actually lament... But the truth is I have no confidence in them for anything anymore. I'm actually dreading TES : IV at this point, I have no confidence in Emils storytelling. I'm absolutely hoping to be proven wrong and to be clowned on for feeling this way, because I like being a Bethesda fan. I want to feel that passion again they used to have. Unfortunately The Great Morrowind Burn-Out was a very dark time, and has yet to be recovered from it seems. However i ABSOLUTELY would not - knowing what i do about Bethesda and how their inner workings have operated - put it past them to be absolutely petty about about the fans of the old not liking their writing. Todd has been pettier about FAR less than that, so has Emil. A lot of what was done almost couldn't have been an accident the way it was portrayed. I'm sorry but it just can't. The show was them saying "this is what Fallout is now, all you old fans are going to get used to it or go get bent, the old is dead." And it wasnt very subtle about it. The way it was done was too maldeasant to be seen as an accident. 1 is a fluke, 2 is a coincidence, 3 is a pattern, but what do you call more than 10? Malice? Hatred?
What a terrible year to be a classical Fallout fan, Caring for a franchise you like will immediately get you mocked and shamed on. Fallout now belongs to seal clapping tourist, shills, and Bethesda fans (who only plays the games just for the mods, not for the story nor world)
I'm making my own Fallout game. I'm not kidding. It's far along and it will be like Fallout 1, including the writing style and attention to world cohesion. Bethesda and Amazon murdered Fallout. So I'll resurrect its essence as a different IP. And nobody will be able to ruin it again.
I'm starting to think the frontier isn't as bad as I thought. Even with the snake sex thing or whatever. It's better than what Emil puts out and at least it's not in preexisting locations 😅😂😂
Kinda reminds me of the Max Payne movie. I was and am a huge fan of the Max Payne series, but that movie was just…. No. Did they really even play the games before making it? And thinking about it, Max Payne would be a better tv series rather than a movie if you really wanted to get everything right.
i watched the movie and was bored to fuck even gunfights are boring and uninspired the only things i liked from that movie despite having nothing to do with the game was when sky turned into fire after he took the drug and got angry - looked good but idin't fit the movie and final gunshot was well made
The entire Cold Fusion thing gets even funnier when you read through the G.E.C.K.s Wiki page and learn they are powered by Cold Fusion technology. Learned that from one of the EFAP Episodes.
New Vegas definitely didn't get the memo of the setting being "post-post-apocalyptic". There's garbage absolutely everywhere, even inside living areas of permanent settlements.
Problem with your assertion is that there's garbage absolutely everywhere in current day societies, so the mere presence of garbage in New Vegas doesn't equate to the game *not* being post-post apocalyptic.
@@DWTerminator usually not inside the living quarters of stable settlements and profitable businesses. In a small town like goodsprings, you'd expect people to not have trash littering their bedrooms and living spaces. You'd expect them to have moved prewar trash off the road. What should be wealthy businesses in New Vegas, are still absolutely full of trash, with disheveled furniture all throughout the interiors. It's simply a narrative you people construct to claim that everything Bethesda has made is bad and everything non-Bethesda is good.
The trash doesn't mean anything it doesn't stop new vegas from getting the point across that people are trying to rebuild and are actually doing it. Meanwhile in fallout 4 90% of the " settlements " are barley up to the standards of a homeless person let alone people rebuilding a society
@@damiondunn4663 then why does nothing look rebuilt or restored? The interiors of supposedly successful businesses inside Vegas are covered in garbage. It's been years, yet not a single person thought it'd be a good idea to fill in the massive potholes on the Vegas strip? Name a single location which actually looks rebuilt and cleaned up in New Vegas, I'll wait. The only thing I explanation I can think of to explain this cognitive dissonance is that y'all live in neckbeard nests and consider the living areas in New Vegas clean. You don't need to have OCD to not want to live in 200 year old filth.
I think Marvel humor was even more mature than this emotionally stunted crap...and it was written by a woman, which is even sadder. She has the mentality of a 13yr old boy
Finally! Someone who didn't blindly just like the show and love everything about it. I think the show would have been much better if it wasn't set in the Fallout world because it severely restricted it to Fallout's dumb modern lore. I loathe how Volt Tech are the big bad guys now. It makes Fallout feel small scale and in puts it all in a neat little box.
It’s crazy just how big of a dumpster fire Fallout has become. My introduction was 3 from watching my dad play the game and it hold a special place in my heart, but I’m now well aware that at the very least it has NUMEROUS missed opportunities and the story is pretty bad. For a long time I didn’t know just how badly Bethesda messed up the lore and themes until doing some digging. Haven’t played the classic games because they aren’t really my thing. The stories and roleplaying elements are no doubt amazing, but the gameplay isn’t for me. If those remakes of 1/2 in Fallout 4’s engine ever get finished I’ll DEFINITELY play those to experience the magic. Or if we ever get something akin to Daggerfall Unity for classic Fallout that ports the games into a much better engine that’s easily moddable with various quality of life improvements I’ll play that. If those games were made more accessible then more people could experience the magic and come to the realization that Bethesda messed it up. Thats SO FUNNY how Bethesda’s lead writer canonized Tactics and unintentionally made Nate a war criminal to tie him into Fallout 1😂. I wish that in addition to saying that it’s up to the player to decide the canon (he’s become Michael Kirkbride with the Fallout equivalent of C0da) he would’ve thrown in Brotherhood of Steel, purely because it would’ve been the funniest thing in the world! You should make more videos where it starts out with rage and eventually you start hysterically laughing. Great video. So glad I discovered your channel a while ago.
For me it’s mostly just that I’m not a big fan of isometric turn based games, or turn based games in general (the exceptions to this are Xcom style games and interestingly the Mario RPGs because they have timed hits that make the game feel more engaging than selecting through the menus). This isn’t meant as a jab against those games. I’m just saying it’s not my thing and what I’ve seen looks kind of clunky. If they were more accessible to newcomers like a Daggerfall Unity equivalent or the upcoming 1/2 remakes in Fallout 4’s engine I mentioned I’d play them over and over again.
@@shreksnow1918imagine instead of choosing to broaden your horizon for dirty cheap, you'd rather pay 60 bucks just to worsen your expirience. I don't know what Bethesda fans are complaining about, you clearly have being enjoying your slop for years now, what changed?
@electricsabbath996 I’m just saying the gameplay of the older games isn’t for me since I’ve never been a big fan of turn based combat. I LOVE the role playing elements, but the user interface is too clunky. Haven’t bought any of the most recent Bethesda products and I don’t plan to since they’ve really fallen off. Nor do I plan on buying any new Obsidian products since the modern incarnation of that studio is also garbage. Outer Worlds was mediocre at best and simply did not live up to the majesty of New Vegas. It’s safe to say the sequel WON’T be good, and from what we’ve seen of Avowed that doesn’t look promising either. Anyone who thinks modern Obsidian could make a worthy successor to New Vegas is regarded. That game was lightning in a bottle. There’s no need to have a Chris Chan tism for at me😂🧩
@@shreksnow1918 my point still stands. If you'd rather pay bethesda to shit out remakes of the first two games, rather than get out of your comfort zone you're still a consoomer, no matter what youtuber opinion you parrot. I'll save you the trouble and tell you you'll drop it out of boredom the second you realize you already played it, it was called fallout 3, and to some extent new vegas, don't expect to see anything new that bethesda hasn't nicked and copy-pasted from the original games, without the turn-based combat you'd just be playing those games again. stick to something your brain can process like mario and rabbits.
TV show is garbage. NCR, completely written out of the show. The brotherhood comes off the worst in terms of how they are portrayed. But, so does everyone, and everything else. People seem to like the ghoul, mostly because of the actor, but, his story arc mangles ghouls as a species, the pre-war uS, vault-tec and everything else his arc touches. Everyone in this series got handed the idiot ball and they all ran with it. Vault dwellers come off as a bunch of inbred, liberal jerkoffs. Maximus is a total dipshit. The series keeps recycling the same stretch of wasteland outside Santa Monica over and over. The enclave is in there, for....reasons, but, I hardly recognize them either. Philly, Filly? is supposed to be a low-rent Megaton or something, but, nothing much happens there besides some obvious fan-service. The diverse lesbian woman who supposedly, discovers cold fusion, uses raiders to attack vault 33, (why did she feel the need to murder the people in V33 again, did they wrong her somehow?) but, later, seems to be the leader? of the NCR..... remnants? So does she work with raiders, or are the NCR raiders now? Dont know. The Ghoul, with his plot armor +10, wipes out Brotherhood all by himself while everyone just gawking at him like idiots while he kills them. Ok. The writers of this show and god howard, took a massive dump on the series and lore. I wont be bothered with season 2, ill just keep playing Tale of Two wastelands and forget the TV show exists. To its limited credit, the vaults in the fallout 4 style, look good and so do the costumes for the most part. The one Mr Handly we met, was well done too. The exterior sets, not very good. Oh, did I mention Maximus is a total dipshit?
I feel super conflicted because, despite the many, many problems involving modern media and adaptations, not just Fallout, I did actually enjoy the show. I think Walton Goggins and Ella Purnell especially did a great job as their characters. However, I do agree with the video, and it felt cathartic to hear the lore issues listed like this, as they were bothering me too. As a viewer enjoying a TV show, I had mostly a good time, but as a longtime classic Fallout fan, I'm really disappointed and concerned with what the franchise has become.
Yeah I know the feeling. I still like the show, but what they did to the NCR is pretty messy. Although I can’t at this point be that mad since the lore has been screwed with so much that I’m numb to it
Just because its sugar coated shit, doesn't mean we are obligated to lower standards for it.. Too much of the conversation is "But its better than I thought, could be worse" or "better than most game adapations" Yes, but sugar coated sh*t is STILL SH*T
Personally I'm waiting till season 2 to judge it, the NCR could easily still exist, only Shady sands is gone and since the show is set after new Vegas I will hold my tongue till then.
So many plot holes caused simply by the unintentional relocation of the NCR Capitol to the LA Boneyard. If I had to guess, Todd and Emil didn't know that Shady Sands was never relocated, the map of Fallout 2 is more to the North compared to Fallout 1. Not only would the Master have found those 3 Vaults, they would not have even needed to raid them with mutants; they could have sent the Children of the Cathedral to talk the Vaults into opening up and spreading the good word of the Unity. Other plot holes include: How did the NCR "fall" in 2277, when New Vegas takes place in 2281? The backstory of New Vegas puts the First Battle for Hoover Dam (the one when Joshua Graham was the Legate) in 2277, the same year NCR fell according to this TV show. No one in New Vegas talks about California like the NCR fell 4 years ago. Ranger Ghost talks about NCR being politics as usual back in California, guys like Heck Gunderson are huge business owners back in NCR territory, and even the Van Graffs and Crimson Caravan are still in power back in California! Where's Vault 13? It's kind of important considering it's supposed to be hidden in a mountain cave directly west of Shady Sands, the first location the Vault Dweller finds when heading East towards Vault 15. The Chosen One in Fallout 2 also needs to find Vault 13 to get the G.E.C.K. and one of the only leads to find it is to talk to Tandi, the President of NCR who was also rescued from the Khans by the Vault Dweller when she was a young girl. Speaking of the Khans, where were they located? Their original camp was just South of Shady Sands, but the relocation to LA would put the Khans right next door to the Cathedral! Where are the Followers of the Apocalypse? This is another important question because without the LA Boneyard, there's no Followers. No Followers means no Edward Sallow, which means no Caesar, which means no Legion!
No I am too old to hope but didn't invest too much engry into being cynical. But I wasn't expecting it to be this bad. I expected better for writer Jonathan Nolan. More fool me. I will say I will not accept Anti capitalism/ monopolies lectures from Amazon, Microsoft and bugtesta. To do so confirms we are in clown world and the clownification of our culture is well underway
I didn't expect the writers trying to flip the middle finger to Amazon. Maybe this whole show is supposed to be a massive shitstain to ruin Amazon, but they failed given the overall positive reception. I'm so fucking tired.
While the Followers of the Apocalypse should probably be here, I do want to note that the fates of Adytum, the Regulators, and The Gunrunners are never mentioned anywhere in the following games or the endings. It's ONLY the followers. Also, in the Mutant Invasion mechanic that was half broken, The Boneyard is the very first place to get invaded. Before Necropolis(where we KNOW was invaded). And the good ending for the Followers even before the Mutant Invasion broke wasn't tied to the 90 day time limit for the Boneyard, but instead to rooting out a spy. And the Fallout 2 manual confirms that the Master was killed in late March and the base blown up in early April, just in time to save The Hub, but too late for the Boneyard or Necropolis. So to me, the game is at least implying that even in the good ending(which you can't reach in Fallout 1 due to a bug), ONLY The Followers got out in time(probably thanks to Laura leaking them the plans). Adytum, Zimmerman's Crew, The Blades, and The Gun Runners all seemingly got wiped off the map by the mutants in canon.
The Gun Runners expanded to have multiple branches, including one in New Vegas, so they're definitely doing just fine. Hell, they're the primary supplier of high-quality firearms throughout the NCR and Mojave, as well as the main supplier of weapons for the NCR army. Necropolis' current status is unclear, but it seems like all of Bakersfield got resettled by the NCR at some point according to a forum post by Josh Sawyer. We do know from the Fallout Bible that Necropolis was still settled by ghouls as of FO2 but that Set was no longer their leader. Adytum is mentioned in New Vegas but only as a historical note, so there's not really any indication of its current status. We also have no idea what happened to Zimmerman or the Blades, presumably because their fate was determined by the player in FO1 and to make any kind of definitive statement on them would canonize one player choice or the other.
@@DWTerminator I wasn't 100% sure if that was the same Gun-Runners. Gunrunners isn't exactly a super specific or uncommon name, it's like raiders, could be anyone. Even if it is them though they're still detached from the rest of the Boneyard(the in-game map puts them up north by the City of Industy while everyone else is down south). That and there's a huge deathclaw nest between them and Adytum which would cause some issues even for super mutants. I could see them making a break for it as they are a small and mobile group. My point was that the official Fallout 1 timeline given by Fallout 2 effectively confirms that the Boneyard fell geographically since it's the first place to fall in the mutant invasion mechanic, and the Follower's good ending isn't tied to that(unless I guess you never even showed up until they were all gone), but instead on the spy. So they escaped regardless of what happenes to the Boneyard. And maybe the Gunrunners did too, still not 100% it's meant to be the same because very generic name. But Adytum, the Blades, and Zimmerman's Regulators are larger, settled in the Boneyard, and are never mentioned again. Regardless of what choice was made the evidence suggests chronologically they didn't make it.
@@DWTerminator So yeah, by the time of the show it would mostly be a New NCR Settlement as mentioned in Fallout 2. The Followers eventually came back once The Master was gone, but the fates of everyone else who was there circa Fallout 1 ain't great
I'm at the point where I don't even trust the original creators of these franchises. When Tim Cain calls this sludge of bad writing and fan service good, and even tells people who call Fallout 76 BAD to not call it THAT, I have a good feeling that these creators don't really care about their creations. If Tim Cain talks like that, then Fallout just happened to be good out of sheer luck and Fallout 2 being the best in the series was made in his absence means that good ideas are meant to be stolen from idiotic individuals who simply don't care.
@@oonmm George Lucas cares about Star Wars, because it's making him money. But he doesn't care about the complete bastardization of canon with horrible characters, bad writting, and whatever mockery Disney is making.
I think at this point cain is just enjoying the fact that something he made is in the mainstream, he went to the premiere and party and everything. So he'll make excuses as long as his baby can be in the spotlight. And let's not forget that his last several games have not been much better than betheslop like outer worlds
At this point one hoenstly has to wonder if Tim Cain might be in Beth / MS and Zenimax's pocket. It would explain a lot. Also remember how shit The Outer Worlds was? That had his name on it too, so he might've just lost his mind, who the hell knows. He should get ignored when it comes to his opinions on gaming, as sad as it sounds...
I have faint memories of Fallout 3 lore. However, when I saw the date that it was set in (i.e. 2277) I thought that it is a funny coincidence how Shady Sands "fell" in the year that the Bethesda set their first game in this fictional universe through which it became a slave master of it.
Fallout 1 is typical post-apocalyptic not post post-apocalyptic. There are no factories, nobody works from 9 to 5 electricity is scarce and it is produced by local pre-war sources of power. In Fallout 2 it starts to change however, still not on a large scale as the vast majority of the wasteland is still living in post-apocalyptic (not post post-apocalyptic) reality including all smaller settlements like Modok, Redding, Klamath etc. This being said, it is true that Bethesda completely doesn't understand Fallout universe hence the wrong placing in time of Fallout 3. And with Fallout 4, 76 and the TV show they put the franchise to the grave.
Post-apocalyptic is more "folks are concerned mainly with subsistence survival and aren't making any efforts to rebuild society." Fallout 1 is past that, and thus in the early stages of post-post apocalyptic. By FO2 the apocalypse is pretty much a distant memory. ... Then FO3 happened and Bethesda screwed that all up.
@DWTerminator If Bethesda wanted that setting, they could have just done it earlier in the timeline. But they clearly don't give a shit. I'm supposed to believe 200+ years after the bombs, people are still living in shanties and can't find clean water? Especially with GECKs lying around. Morrowind blew me away as a kid. They have fallen so far, and if they can't respect my intelligence with their terrible design choices, why should i buy their products anymore?
That bethesda guy saying the character in the Fallout 1 cutscene if the character of Fallout 4 landed terribly, but it has also an extra disgusting layer on top of it. It's bethesda pissing over the work of better people and claiming as their own.
That's Emil, lead writer of Skyrim, Fallout 4, and Starfield with credits on Fallout 76. You have had the best introduction into everything he is about.
@@DWTerminator I forgot about that coming out. The only thing guaranteed to be at least decent will be Jack Black voicing Clap-trap. Damn near every role he touches is gold. Other than that, I'm predicting a flop.
I know for a fact that they intentionally changed the lore the same thing has happened in multiple series made by Amazon with a licensed I.P. the heavy media presence praising it while not referencing the problems screams paid off to me. And people who didn't play fallout don't even get why it's so bad
It’s crazy how people don’t see how much Bethesda hates and never understands the original Fallout games and New Vegas. -They hate progression in Fallout -They hate how the OG’s and New Vegas are 100x better than their games (Story, world building, factions, characters, choice) -They always think that Fallout is all about the wasteland, the very wacky and weird, everything has to be Mad Max, Power Armor, Vault boy, Finding your lost family member, etc. -They don’t think ahead and managed to damage the lore with dumb stupid retcons -They never understand Fallout at all and it’s a fact proven time and time again -They want to keep Fallout stuck in a Borderlands/Max Max knockoff state loop, instead of people rebuilding and building a functional society like what the NCR did. It’s one of the main reason why they killed off the NCR
Because people want the Fallout Franchise, they want the Lore. Thats why even if you create your own post post Apo franchise, the chance it just be mid at best is very high. Also, the lack of funding.
Because it doesn't hit the same as fallout. I mean, writers like Avellone, Sawyer and Tim Cain have written for the series, it'll be hard to create an original universe to match that.
This is my probably my favorite Fallout tv show video. Every major flaw and problem, going also beyond tv series summarized in 1,5 hour. Thank you for making it at providing arguments for Bethesda's incompetence.
56:50 forget everything you said, all americans in Fallout 4 are lefthanded according to Bethesda, there is not a single righthanded hunting rifle in the game and it drives me crazy
The hunting rifles being the only notable left-handed guns are a particularly glaring annoyance, especially considering every single character in FO4 (hell, the entire franchise, really) is depicted as right-handed. Of course, I know *why* they did it. It's to show off more in the weapon handling animations. Yet another aesthetic choice made without remotely considering or caring about what it does to the setting.
@@DWTerminatoralso, in Starfield the way the guns designed in that game are also bad since every damn gun is CASELESS Ammunition it really shows the bethesda fans would just accept the slop being made by bethesda
Caseless ammo is fine for a sci-fi game where you're wandering around in outer space. Hell, Starfield's ammo choices actually make more sense than Halo, where they're still using standard brass-cased 7.62 NATO against aliens in the 2500s.
I loved the show at first, then I watched your video. Now I’m starting to get Jurassic World/ Star Wars Ep 7 vibes, especially with the “eh f*ck the old fans for complaining, you’re over critiquing things.” There are elements I think could’ve worked in this show like the 3 vaults being connected, but the location of Shady Sands straight up being changed by a fair distance away is crazy. I have no hope for Elder Scrolls 6 nor a Fallout 5. Although Bethesda is to blame, the fans have to take accountability for accepting garbage and Starfield is what fans deserve. But considering how Fallout 76’s screwups and anti consumer practices now appear to be hand waved by the community, I truly think there’s no low Bethesda can go before its fans finally wake up. I’m calling it, Starfield in the minds of its fan base in a few years time will be forgotten and forgiven by the fans.
After Bethesda released another unwanted patch and bricked the Fallout 4 Script Extender, i went back to playing Fallouts 1,2, Tactics, and FNV. I only mod Skyrim and Fallout 4 to make them Actual RPGs and a bit more Grim dark. I want the Amazon show to tank in the end and Bethesda is forced to hand off the license. Microsoft needs to get their sh*t together as well.
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Surprised you didn’t mention the elephant in the room that is The Master. Vault 33 should be long gone. He has maps of every vault
In hindsight I'm surprised I forgot to mention that, too. Exhaustion's a hell of a thing, sometimes.
IIRC, he didn’t know where every Vault was. He did have a computer database and he was in a Vault but he could access Vaults if he found them. It’s why the Mutant Lieutenant tries to get the location or Vault 13 through intimidation.
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes The Fallout Bible made in preperation for Van Buren specifies he found a caravan of explorers from Vault 14 in the Boneyard in 2155, took over their vault, turned them all into Super Mutants, and build the Cathedral on top of the Vault. The Vault contained a record of every vault in the area down to it's ROUGH location. Vault 13 and 15 are in the middle of the mountains with hidden entrances, so even if you know the general 'spot' on the map it's not easy to find. They knew where Vault 12 was though, hence the garrison at Necropolis and killing them when they aren't needed.
Also they need to claw their way through all the resistance on the way there. 500 days after the game starts and they reach Vault 13 and wipe it out regardless of your actions, 400 days if you let the Water Merchants go up there.
Either way, both vaults in the show has their entrance out in the open, it's highly unlikely that his patrols would miss them, not to mention wastelandrs would be talking about coming across them. So even if he didn't have a map of locations, he would have known 🤔 maybe he knew about how dumb the dwellers were and reasoned that they wouldn't even turn into dumdums? 😂
@@johankarlsson1776 most people that received the Forced Evolutionary Virus straight up died. People with minimal radiation exposure had a higher chance of turning into a mutant than dying. Now the Vault Dweller does become a mutant in the non-canon ending of Fallout 1, but then again, that ending would mean Fallout 2 wouldn’t happen.
*sigh* Emil gives us Nate's backstory, tries to backpedal it, AFFIRMS it while doing so, and goes on to say "whatever the player did is what's canon".
Okay, then New Vegas ends with an NCR victory and the TV show is wrong. Done and dusted.
The NCR Ending is Canon, and my Courier is allowed to run New Vegas for the NCR, combining the NCR and Independant endings. :)
Yes, my psychopathic female cannibal, terrifying presence, good karma, NCR courier who tortures legionaries and eats Kimball, Caesar and Mr House (but not the king, nobody messes with the king dude) and has unhinged conversation 90% of the time because of having 3 charisma but manages to sound convincing when saying the most outrageous things because of 100 speech is canon and nobody can prove me wrong.
@@NightOfTheRavens literally me
Nate the Rake is the best thing that ever happened to 4, imo.
@@thesun9210 i found a mod for Fallout 3 that lets me join the Enclave from the Start. So i can now deem the BoS ending NOT CANON XD.
the funniest thing for me is how the settlement of Philly is structured so much like a Bethesda game city. Like you have the place surrounded by high walls with only one large entrance in, then the interior is incredibly small to help performance. Why is Philly build like we have to worry about performance issues in a tv show?
Not only is her Vault real close to the Boneyard, it's about a fart sniff's distance from the Cathedral. The equivalent of three vaults in one location, within pissing distance... of The Master.
Hmm thinking about it. If that's the case then the master would've had ALOT of "Prime Normals" on his hands
master didn't have the location of all vaults, the fo1 time limit literally goes donw by 100 days when you order water supply to your vault, because unity patroll notices it goes to a vault
@@lazwardazure716 yeah it was his point sherlock
@@kubistonek Yes, that's how the Master can find vault 13, which is 300 miles away and hidden inside a mountain. Lucy's vault is on the surface in a place where you could see it from a Cathedral window.
@@bad-people6510 its not on the surface
The best summary of what Bethesda has made of the fallout universe could be expressed by Ulysses:
"They brought me before the campfire one night, showed me how they changed themselves, how they wore their hair now. It was like my entire dead tribe in the firelight, teeth grinning red in the dark - eager corpses, blood-covered ghosts. They... had taken my braids, the way of the Twisted Hairs, as if it showed they were like me, of me... ...while every knot in their braids spoke of raping, violence - and ignorance of what the knots meant. They thought to show respect... defiled it. Lost myself in trying to read the braids they wove, when I remembered they had put no meaning in it. They had no history of what it meant. They didn't even know the insult in the twists, knots... and Dry Wells came rushing back, the White Legs circled like that... It was like looking at the dead of my tribe, reborn as ghosts - hateful, hungry, bowing to Caesar. Another history... gone, carried by me alone."
Bethesda and Amazon only mimic Fallout theme without undestanding it.
Very well said. An excellent description of the Bethesda Fauxout skinsuit.
Every sequel to a franchise which lacks its original creators becomes a shadow of the original. You cannot reverse engineer art and adequately replicate the impossible combination of emotions/ideas that compose it
i thought it was very fair and I like this guys videos anyway, but Bethesda's takes are fun, but not very well thought out or thru
"They brought me before the release date for Fallout 3 one night, showed me how they changed themselves, how they wore their development now. It was like my entire gaming studio: Interplay in the firelight, teeth grinning red in the dark - eager corpses, blood-covered ghosts. They... had taken my lore, the way of the classic Fallout, as if it showed they were like me, of me... ...while every programming and direction in their gameplay spoke of raping, violence - and ignorance of what the consistency meant. They thought to show respect... defiled it. Lost myself in trying to read the lack of a creative narrative they have written , when I remembered they had put no meaning in it. They had no history of what it meant. They didn't even know the insult in the themes, ideals... and Interplay came rushing back, Bethesda circled like that... It was like looking at the dead of my intellectual property, reborn as ghosts - hateful, hungry, bowing to Todd Howard and Emil paragulio. Another Fallout... gone, carried by me alone."
that makes no sense.
I think the best way to describe the era of entertainment we’re in is the “Jingling Keys” era. It’s not even fan service anymore.
Exactly. They show people a thing from ~product name~ and everyone goes insane
This is probably the truest thing I've read in a comment section in years. The big issue on top of that is it seems thats exactly what people want. Story doesn't matter anymore things being pretty for your eyes is what matters thats why so many shows and movies get overhyped now days
@@damiondunn4663Why do you think the most profitable movie of all time was Avatar 2?
its hate fiction.
Isn’t Los Angeles(The boneyard, as you mentioned) where Morpheus and The Master are?
I’ve only ever played the first game, but I’m pretty sure they were looking for vaults
Yep. They should've cracked Vault 33 open long before the events of the show.
Your almost close, they are in the cathedral, which is basically a jogging distance away from the boneyard. Actually, gun runners originated from boneyard! Aint that fun
I was saying in a Fallout group let's have both Obsidian AND Bethesda have access to the Fallout license. Obsidian gets the West Coast and Bethesda gets the East Coast. That way You can appease fans on both sides. I've been playing Fallout since 97 so I'm a hard-core Obsidian loyalist so 1, 2 and New Vegas all the way. I'm fine with Bethesda fans having their games just let us have our versions too with all the Lore, Skills, Traits ect intact.
it sucks so much that they started to fiddle with the west coast😢
I would prefer to open the franchise to more than those two studios with less restrictions at this point.
@stephenwillis6937, this question may be off topic but do you need a emulator for Fallout 1 and 2 on modern PC ?
@@viviendario2969 I would recommend looking into Fallout Fixt, and if you haven't purchased them yet you should consider doing it from GOG, since it's a better platform for old games.
Never needed an emulator for Fallout 1
The reason the slate of the west coast was wiped cleaned, is because Todd wants Fallout 5 on the west coast.
He’s far too arrogant and petty to respect the established lore. He doesn’t want Fallout 5 to be tethered to the classic lore. That’s why the wasteland is post-apocalyptic rather post-post apocalyptic.
Also, I want to point out how Bethesda overuses resets in their games and lore. Oblivion can be argued a being a reset for The Elder Scrolls, which erased the weirder lore and worldbuilding of previous games. Skyrim seconded that reset as well, wiping away previous lore again. The end result was Elder Scrolls becoming bland and easily markable to normies.
Which again, shows why the Fallout tv series wiped away the old lore and worldbuilding. It's just to reset everything back to square one. It also further dumbs down the lore and worldbuilding to appeal to normies.
That would be disappointing if they did because Bethesda so far has used new locations for new games. FO3 in Washington, D.C. and FO4 in Massachusetts. I don’t see why Texas, Florida, Iowa, Illinois, or New York cannot be FO5
Your mad that a Publisher legally purchased an IP from a dying studio and decided to make it their own? Why don’t you go cry to interplay for being a horrible publisher…. No one’s forcing you to like modern fallout or even pay attention to how the lore has changed. And what does normies even mean? Because in my eyes it means people who have successful careers and family’s who want simple entertainment for a couple hours a week. Let me guess your 30+ living with your parents, possibly having a low income job, no real life friends and chronically online? Yeah I’d rather be a normie bro
@@tannerdoyle6402 Not really, you're competely wrong.
And yeah, Interplay should have done better, they can share some of the blame. Also, I'm not mad the IP was purchased, but how the IP has been treated and used since then. Bethesda doesn't understand Fallout, except for surface level details and symbolism. Even at that, what they DO understand is very limited. Instead of being humble, they rather try to force Fallout to become something it isn't.
Also, by "normies" I didn't mean normal people, but people who simply eat up any slop Bethesda or any major corporation gives them.
I am just disappointed that instead of being human in nature, the writing staff in Bethesda go for Lovecrathian and occult b.s.
@@KaosNova2 or St. Louis which really hasn't been touched
Remember when Todd said something like: "Showrunners came to me with the idea of nuking Shady Sands and it shocked me..."
Well it makes me think Todd asked them to do it in purpose amongst other things to erase West coast lore and start from scratch (AGAIN). The man tells nothing but lies.
And yet people still take what he says at face value. I guess he tells people what they want to hear so they latch onto it
he or whoever is assissting the development of fallout games in BGS definitely has a vendetta against the original philosophy of fallout, makes sense why everytime hes involved the content either gets curbstomped or has to ignore some vital plot point for it to exist.
I remember Pete Hines saying that they're "not going to keep their games limited by the past" (to paraphrase) to justify the kid in the fridge bullshit and not caring about established lore. Fallout 1 tells us what happens when you deprive a city of ghouls of water!
Todd and Emil barely respects The Elder Scrolls lore and retconned plenty of stuff in Oblivion and Skyrim. Fallout is nothing but a cash cow to them. 😢
The fridge is using the same “nuke the fridge” joke from Indiana Jones 4, three times in the games and then in the show.
@@KaosNova2 and New Vegas was the superior on the depiction of the joke because fridge is tied exclusively to the Wild Wastelands-- a "JOKE" perk.
@@Pedro8675309 Very true. It also directly mocks the movie from which it came in New Vegas.
Honestly if you look into the deeper lore of elderscolls you'll see how badly they piss on the lore with skyrim
@@damiondunn4663 Which is why i use a mod called The Old ways: True Nordic Pantheon.
The only part of the video I disagree with is that the tv series retcons weren't an ego driven retaliation for fans placing Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas above the Bethesda slop. They obviously are.
The setting of the tv series could have been anywhere. Chicago. St. Louis. The capital. Boston. But no, they specifically picked west coast and LA, specifically decided to include New Vegas game characters in the story, etc. With this being specific choices, the retcons then have be specific choices as well. Why move Shady Sands? Why even make it a story point in the series at all? They could have just made a script reference in actor lines to it. Instead, they specifically moved the location, specifically nuked it, specifically made it a story line with retcons.
The ONLY way you can take it is Todd's ego is still hurt that his games are viewed as trash by the OG fans.
Not so. I mean, you may be correct, but we don't know his mind. What we DO know is what the show writers told us the theme would be, and that's haves vs have-nots. This was never a theme of fallout before, but it's the new canon. So who thinks haves vs have-nots is a major deal IRL? Who would write Vault-Tec so stupidly, and the Brotherhood for that matter? Who would think that a totally unnecessary massacre during a wedding would be justified in any way? Who would think Lee Moldaver, the Communist idiot, is a hero?
The Woke. They're Intersectional Neo-Marxists, and they absolutely hate everything that isn't themselves. Most of the time. Sometimes they hate themselves, too, but they're very intolerant and they feel like they deserve revenge for the imagined oppression society has visited on them. They wrote this fuckin' pile of garbage, and yeah, they are destroying Fallout lore. The NCR had to die so they could replace it with their version. WHether Todd is on board with that, or if he has any clue what they're doing, i don't know. Fallout has always been "progressive" to some extent, so it wouldn't surprise me if he was, but this is not necessarily his revenge for Obsidian making a better game. It is quantifiably the revenge of the Woke, like we've seen in so many other series' and films.
@@arcdecibel9986
Oh yes. The entire series is just... woke... with TWO male leads to the ONE female. I mean, how... woke... can you get? And even giving the cool power armor to one of the men and having dogmeat with the other male lead. But it's the... revenge of the woke!!!!
Because if you don't like something now days, it's just... woke.
Really?
Todd is known to be a liar so he definitely got a little upset.
I mean if have seen his face during Game awards in which his Magnum Opus Star Field didn't get a single award....well let's just say I can imagine, absolutely imagine him to destroy Fallout west out of spite @@arcdecibel9986
Nuking and battle are both ego-ticklers here.
Shady sands was destroyed because Todd hated it, so as producer he probably asked to do this.
BoS battle with NCR is probably braggibg about how their writing with holy-but-in-grey-morality Brotherhood is luch more superior to those dirty Black Isle/Obsidian.
Hm, to think, are those mutants in the vault who worship NCR kinda a nod to FNV fans?
Maybe it's Emily's problem, their lead writer, rather than Todd's
Yes, I'm so glad you mentioned fallout being "post" post-apocalypse
I would much rather explore how society grows and evolves over the years, than a rubble sandbox looter shooter
If that’s the case, then there would be a world more akin to an Elder Scrolls game than a rubble shooting gallery.
Books, tv-shows, videogames etc.: everything nowadays is "enjoy product and be excited for next product".
Never pre-order, FOMO is for pussies, dare to wait a couple years for the 95% discounts and enjoy whatever you get for whatever it is.
Or pirate EVERYTHING and only put money into something when it's deemed worthy then...
What's that got to do with the TV show?
I didn't even pay for it.
There was no pre order or FOMO.
What the fuck are you on about m8?
Contemporary media is designed to carry an institutional message... not a personal one.
there's no freedom of expression here anymore. So, it always feels hollow
That’s why I like GOG so much, bought Fallout 4 for 5 dollars and it was worth 5 dollars instead of whatever it cost at launch.
You've just stated exactly what I've been doing for the last decade. If I knew you, I'd buy you a beer. We'd probably get on just fine and that's rare in what feels like an ocean of consooomer troglodyte fanboys. Honestly, just this comment section is refreshing.
And a year later it will actually be patched enough to be playable
When I realized they made the TV show canon. It ruined it for me. These guys just can't let fallout lore be anything other then what they want.
"They brought me before the release date for Fallout 3 one night, showed me how they changed themselves, how they wore their development now. It was like my entire gaming studio: Interplay in the firelight, teeth grinning red in the dark - eager corpses, blood-covered ghosts. They... had taken my lore, the way of classic Fallout, as if it showed they were like me, of me... ...while every programming and direction in their gameplay spoke of raping, violence - and ignorance of what the consistency meant. They thought to show respect... defiled it. Lost myself in trying to read the lack of a creative narrative they have written , when I remembered they had put no meaning in it. They had no history of what it meant. They didn't even know the insult in the themes, ideals... and Interplay came rushing back, Bethesda circled like that... It was like looking at the dead of my intellectual property, reborn as ghosts - hateful, hungry, bowing to Todd Howard and Emil paragulio. Another Fallout... gone, carried by me alone."
Amazing
ur such a cornball
*Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter...*
Ohh, my own canon? Everything after 2 is the Chosen One's fever dream.
Hell of a fever.
Well ain't that a kick in the head
Well, New Vegas was good.
@@crusader2112 Yes it was. But I'd rather ignore the larger lore as a whole.
@@Xegethra Fair.
It needs to be stated that multiple YTers talking about this show have received unprecedented floods of specifically worded comments that could very easily be bots. I strongly suspect that much of the "praise" this show gets is entirely fabricated to make it seem more popular than it is... but at the same time there are critics I usually respect who somehow found a way to like this show, so either way there is something very strange going on here.
Either recent advancements in AI have lead to some kind of experiment in fabricating media engagement, or standards for media have fallen below some threshold that makes even those who strive to keep consistent standards accepting of stories that not even 5yrs ago they would've ridiculed mercilessly. Probably a bit of both, but in either case, the Fallout show is a cringe-inducing disaster even in complete isolation of established lore, so I accept no excuses from anyone claiming it's good. It isn't fun, it isn't funny, it isn't in keeping with the lore, it doesn't have a single good character or plotline, it has one good performance and some nice shots. Even f**king marvel meets this standard. This show should not be acceptable to anyone.
lots of astroturfing too, you have fallout "content creators" like juicehead going of their way peddling bethesda "lore logic" as soon as "official line" shows on x account of either Emil or Todd.
Buying troll farms for commenting en-masse is just no-brainer expense at this point.
At this point maybe someone should go full Ryan McBeth on the thing , identyfying flow and control structure
It gives more publicity to the franchise.
It's prolly both, the formulaic nature of a lot of the praise is too rehearsed to be a coincidence and it's a joint venture by two corporations with more money than god they can absolutely afford that kind of astroturfing, at the same time standards have absolutely fallen people who rip apart other products for the same flaws often milder even yet give this one a pass for no adequately given reason
Dude you are massively overthinking this and need to understand that everyone has different opinions and that you may be in the minority. My fiancé loved the show and has never played a Fallout game. I thought it was funny, had good writing, and the characters were great. Sounds like it just isn’t your cup of tea which is fine.
I think RDR2 is incredibly slow and boring, but I can see why people love it and why it’s regarded the way it is.
cope lmao
Remember when Borderlands was accused of aping Fallout? Well, now that Bethesda's dream of Fallout being nothing more than a post-apocalyptic theme park has been realised, Fallout has become a Borderlands clone.
Funny part is Borderlands isn't even post-apocalyptic.
And both shows have extremely ugly main characters...
@@saturiankhazard
Dude ! Seriously ? !
Lucie is Ugly ?
Or THE ghoul is ugly ? !
(well, that's a matter of opinion ...)
___
Ok, Ok, to each his own ...
I find Lucie extremely attractive as a young Woman !
@@krixpopshe reminds me too much of the girl from 500 days of summer or 13 reasons why for me to find her attractive i don't trust her face
@@damiondunn4663
oh, that makes sense ... but still ...
Showrunner straight up admitted they got rid of NCR offscreen because it was inconvenient to sandbox of genre cliches they wanted to play in:
"I think it would have been a mistake to go from the retro-futuristic America to another America that has been fully civilised and the NCR is doing everything great," Wagner said in response to a question about the controversial decision to nuke Shady Sands. "We love Deadwood. I think if there was a fourth season of Deadwood, there'd be insurance companies, there'd be traffic, and it wouldn't be a Western anymore. We wanted to live in that first season of Deadwood space, of like, 'What's going to happen? Where is everything?""
They could have found some clever way to actually change the world these stories take place in and add actual drama and crisis in the face of the NCR trying to tame the wasteland (this was the whole theme of NV and none of those endings even implied NCR could scale indefinitely).... instead of just hitting the reset button.
I thought the fighting scenes in the trailers with NCR vs BOS was going to entail that- which when watching left me disappointed honestly. It's like the entire season was afraid to mention the NCR, I'm not opposed to them failing or even being nuked because that doesn't mean all of them are gone- vault 4 was proof of remnants of them but the fact that they kinda turn the dwellers there into cultist is disappointing to say the least.
I was excited seeing what Shady Sands looked like when Lucy was a smaller child with her mother, with the trolleys and junk. Kinda wished we could've had that before it getting taken away, because it uplifts Lucy's story but in exchange of any interesting world-building.
That's interesting.
Also, if they wanted to have a sandbox they could have just put the show somewhere else that would allow for the kind of show they were looking for like in Wyoming or Texas.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Or even earlier in the timeline. Ideally, FO3 and FO4 could have been parallel to FO1 while in a different area.
This shows they fundamentally do not understand fallout in the slightest
@@KaosNova2 Quite.
But that would also require Bethesda to create totally new factions to compensate for not having the BoS and Enclave everywhere.
For me, it wasn't about Fallout lore (Although there is problems there)
Most of the thing was written for COVENIENCE as a result SO MANY THINGS are not consistent.
also didn't like how hard they tried be 'quirky' it appearss to be written for CHILDREN and completeely undermines any feeling of DANGER.
I'm no movie critic, but myself just get getting slapped in the face with things that don't match up or make sense..
Going back watching a second time realize most of the show isinconsistent and made up as they went along..
If I were a Movie critic and/or Falout fan could make a 12 hour video on how many things this show does wrong.
Have you heard of Mauler ?
@@hue_jazz59 greetings fellow follower of the Long
@@clem-lv2rw what up clem
@@hue_jazz59 yes, it made me happy seeing Mauler refuse to back down.
yeah since the mcu got so popular now everyone thinks its cool trying to act all quirky with the writing, like its terrible and it always kills the tension.
Ive pretty much just given up on Fallout. I was hoping to one day see nations rising and falling in wars for control of the US, but with how Bethesda rolls, it'll always be the same post apocalyptic setting, with ugly ass weapons and armor.
All of bethesdas lore and writing problems lead back to one individual. Emil Pagliarulo. Destroyed Fallout.
Thank god, I feel like I'm going insane watching people hype the show up.
Join the club. I'm increasingly wondering if a lot of the hype the show is getting is from a dedicated astroturfing campaign, given how "bot-ey" a lot of the responses are.
Yea man, damage control is in full swing.
If these people just sit back and let people speak, so many of us wouldn't be so tempted to make our own videos..
Maybe cuz you are insane. Its a good show, and youre rage filled blindness is the only thing stopping you from enjoying it same with the rest of life. Stop complaining and have fun once in a while.
@@artmax1998i bet 4 & 76 are your favourite fallout games.
Cope.
Capitalize the G in God also me too
I consider it non-canon. I'm baffled by the widespread positive reviews.
I had the same exact experience when Star Wars The Force Awakens came out. Basically fans are stupid easy to please. Throw enough flashy scenes and member berries at the audience and they'll eat it up. They only care how it looks and not the heart and soul of it. Doesn't matter if the story is a complete mess, or the lore and world building is so butchered it will sabotage future installments. When The Force Awakens came out I knew the story was so bad it was going to cause problems for future installments. Because of it's success Disney went headlong into pushing the Sequel Trilogy. Look at the disappointment that was Galaxy's Edge. A common response I got to my criticisms was, "You can't judge The Force Awakens until Episode 8 comes out." Then the Last Jedi came out and vindicated my thoughts about TFA. People hated that movie and the Star Wars franchise has struggled since. Disney has invested so much money and ego into the Sequel Trilogy they are hard pressed to abandon it.
That is my fear with Fallout. The reception has been so positive that not only are future seasons of the show going to be awful, but the show is going to start impacting the story development and world building of future games. By the time people realize the Fallout show is garbage it will be too late. It will have an irreversible impact on future installments. NCR will be just nuked out of existence, Ghouls will be reduced to zombies, the Brotherhood will be a bunch of vile jerks, all nuance will be gone and Fallout will become a total parody of itself.
My verdict was that the show was essentially a theme park ride with a Fallout theme. Plenty of interesting visuals. But don’t think too hard about the plot.
That's actually a pretty good analogy.
It's not even a "don't think too hard" situation. To get anything at all out of it, you can't think *at all*. It's entirely "no think, only consume product."
@@DWTerminator Spot on.
@TEP90 What's woke...?
would you rather be spoon fed information on how each inconsistency works out just to keep minor details consistent @@DWTerminator
Patrolling the fallout TV show almost makes you wish for fallout the frontier writing team.
Best way I can describe Fallout show is two words, Psychotically childish. When reason and morality went out the window, not only people be carefree to their behaviour, they also see virtue and the good as a after thought, that even inmate prisoners would think is tasteless and senseless.
So the type of people who write fallout show, and the people who encourage it, must have a very cynical or careless outlook in life itself.
But the point of Fallout is that you’re in an atmosphere where people are desperate and paranoid and many would resort to doing something otherwise abhorrent, because of the lawless situation you are in.
@@KaosNova2 And that's a excuse for the protagonist to give in to compulsive behaviour? Even in the environment like fallout, you still have people like our reality, doing their best to survive, and like any environment, you will have the good and the bad, all down to how one can hold values and reason to the individual.
So no, I disagree with you, you will have the bad, you will have the good, no matter the environment. And because this is a story, would you want to see the good do good?
2010s parody movies. Disaster Movie and Superhero Movie. This is the Fallout equivalent of those kinds of parody films.
I'm gonna say more, everybody is talking about the NCR, but nobody talks about the complete absence of the Followers of the Apocalypse, they had their hub in Adytum in the Boneyard for God's sake!! I can´t understand how people say that this show is true to the games...
The more you think about it, the worse the series gets.
@@DWTerminator yeah, totally 😫
Emil Pagliarulo admitting that he got excited about making Nate a war criminal was a strange one for sure.
I wish I could have role played Nate like a war criminal
The funny thing is bethesda could have done a post apoc wasteland by place the games only a few years after the bombs fell. Like FO3 makes absolutely no sence being 200 years later but it would make sense to be 30-50 years later at most. Any longer and factions would have cemented themselves and started to rebuild and any shorter and the factions that exist wouldn't have fully formed. When people are able to survive for a while they will figure out a way to thrive and having access to all the tech they had would have meant within a generation or two things would start to rebuild in a series way. Consider the growth and development of the US between 1776 compared to 1976.
I'm a long-time Australian Gamer and somehow, I missed Fallout 1&2, maybe I just wasn't into that sort of game, I forget. I only heard about Fallout 3 because there was a major political shitstorm in Australia at the time about violence in games, and the usual band of do-gooders that believed that all gamers would turn into homicidal maniacs because of video games (none I which they played obviously) and of course they were wrong. But they had a problem with Fallout 3 because of the drug use. Morphine was the original name of in-game Med-X and was changed because of this.
Anyway, I never played it, or heard of NV, and I only bought Fallout 4 because it was in a discount bin at the local game shop. I bought about 5 games including Fallout 4 but ended up playing something else. I found it in a box when I moved house in 2018 and gave it a try. I was hooked instantly and ended up playing it over 4000 hours, and the mods are awesome. It's probably my favourite game. I found out about NV and all the NV vs Fallout 4 stuff during that. I tried NV and 3 but tbh I had trouble getting into them because of the look (not graphics quality, just the overall look of them) and I didn't like the gameplay a lot, although the stories were good.
Anyway, I guess I'm a Fallout 4 fan, and nothing's going to change that, but even I didn't like the show much. As you said it's more of a Fallout theme park experience. I didn't like many of the characters and the story is poorly written. People's motivations to do things aren't normal human behaviour, the explanations of things don't make a lot of sense when you think about them, and pretty all the humour doesn't quite land. Having said that, it's actually miles better than most shows these days.
That how bad entertainment is, "it doesn't suck too much" has become the Gold Standard.
"It doesn't suck too much" is a terrible perspective to have for a product of entertainment, especially to validate the existence of streaming services, however I'd want to say in my personal opinion I feel like it could get better and or that it has the potential to.
I don't want to believe that the people working on the show and or in bethesda just inherently want to destroy fallout and or anything from Obsidian. I'm here for the ride but I understand if no one else is in the boat. It's seriously no issue to me since I pirate things anyway so-
@@lifeisadrag7705it's how TV shows and movies are now. CRAP. This is just another pile of diarrhea in the sewer.
It’s tragic that the only rebuttals to this video I’ve read in the comments are: “it’s sad you care so much to make an hour long video” and “you guys are like a cult”. I’ve also seen people label you a conservative in the comments as if to dismiss everything in the video. I don’t care what your political opinions are but nothing in this video even vaguely expresses a conservative lens or political analysis of the show so I have no clue how it’s relevant. The show to me, as a leftist, is the most shallow criticism of capitalism I think I’ve ever seen. Fundamentally lazy to the core. The show is shit regardless where on the political spectrum you sit
Apparently, not enjoying something because it is vastly different from the enjoyment you got out of previous instalments makes you a cult member. None of these people commenting this stuff have any arguments. This is genuine brain rot.
You go into depth about how lore wise it doesn’t make sense which to some doesn’t matter. However, you also state how the show does not work on a thematic level and is a severely dumbed down version of those old games. On all levels, this show is just not up to the standard of Fallout 1, 2 and NV. Having this opinion makes you cult member apparently and worthy of attack. To me, only one group is showing a cult like mentality and it’s not the maker of this video
It's good to see someone post something like this, thank you.
I feel like for a lot of people, they only want to see it through their own limited lens. I always saw it as a case where everyone screwed up, hence the resource wars, a plot concept borrowed from the Mad Max movies as the cause of Nuclear Holocaust. I always saw it as similar to The Donner Party on a Global Scale.
@@KaosNova2 Yeah. It was never important who launched the first bomb. It was imperialism from both nations and humanity's inability to coexist with each other.
Damn man, the whole franchise is about humanity still being worth saving after everything. In order for war to change, people have to as well
Perhaps the dumbest part is the conspiracy theory about Vault Tec wanting the nuke. Sure, some disasters can be business if you do the rebuilding, but when you assume that a destruction or a disaster is inherently profitable, that becomes the broken window fallacy. And honestly, I despise a greedy company as much as anyone else. But even that is a parasitic situation that relies on having a society in order to do it. Destroying society then what?
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes I don’t think they thought that hard about it. I think the writers looked at Mr House’s plan and just applied it to Vault Tec CEOs instead.
CEOs having their own kingdom is their goal. No-one to oppose them. Which doesn’t even make sense when you think about it in context of the show. They can get the policies they desire with lobbying. That’s what real people with money do. If their plan is also to “end war” as it’s a threat to them, they’re sitting on a patent for infinite energy. End the war and make a bunch of money by licensing that out.
Mr House in NV did what he did because he had no alternative. In the show, Vault Tec are actively stupid trading their lives of luxury with mansions and yachts for reasons?
This show is creatively bankrupt and does not hold up to any scrutiny. I honestly think in a few years people will look back on this and see it for what it is. Season 2 will also come in and make more questionable decisions. Look at Westworld. The entire show fell apart after the first season. The people defending this will try and pretend they hated it all along
"dont ask questions. consume product and get excited for next product" the show.
Too damn many of those these days.
@@DWTerminator
Yeah and it's cos of those woke liberals 🙄 🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸 ✝️ 🙏
@@Dfgdf91 you talk like a character fallout would be parodying
@@0o0ooo0o0oo0i think he is joking.. i havent seen a conservative type like that, but hey it was pretty convincing if it (maybe) tricked you
I believe the worst aspect of current Bethesda titles is that they aren’t even made for gamers. They are made for devs and people who just get into fallout.
It’s iconography which Hollywood is known for doing. Using icons and favorited concepts of media for their own greed. Notice how we didn’t see a single night skin, super mutant, rad scorpion, mongrel, and etc. what we saw that vaguely resembled wild life was phony gulpers and rad roaches.
Whether it’s Star Wars, Star Trek, Indiana jones, or Mario. They use the iconographies of popular characters or locations for shows and movies.
Remember California? Yeah it’s your favorite fallout setting? Bam you get tons of California stuff. Remember power armor? Bam one of the main characters get it instantly. Remember ghouls? Bam tons of ghouls.
They jingle shiny keys in your face while stealing your wallet and spitting in your face. They believe that just because they can, means that they should.
Main gripe for me are the fact that the show is canon, and how it turned every culture-contrarian channels into pseudo-shills for Fallout.
Creetosis isn't shilling the show
Thank god the femboy vtuber didn’t became a shill
@@dyliokhan3946Which one? 😋
@@Lobsterwithinternet purple furry femboy goat
@@dyliokhan3946all hail the purple furry goat femboy
Patrolling the Amazon's Fallout makes you wish for Interplay's Fallout.
Microsoft must give the Fallout IP to a different studio don’t ever let Bethesda touch it again. get the old devs they didn’t get assassinated John Gonzalez Chris Avellone and Josh Sawyer are still around and everybody who worked on FNV and the originals, this is the team that made FNV.
@@desertranger403 only in a fair world would this be a reality, sadly we don't live in one
@@desertranger403 they tried to buy it back after they formed their new company but sadly that didn't happen.
The show hasn't crashed yet I'll give it that, never played a fallout game without it crashing
Don't worry, there is still time.
@@Gandalf-The-Gay Haha, youre right I probably spoke too soon
It's already bugged, one of early ep's title card is the title card of the last episode lol
@@HelloKolla That's kinda hilarious.
It did have bugs though.
Season 1: force awakens
Season 2: last Jedi
We’ve all seen this play before so let’s not be surprised when it bombs. Pun intended
I see the Fallout TV show as Bethesda trying to retcon the world, undoing everything good from Fallout New Vegas and giving older fans a giant middle finger.
Even if they didn't intend it that way... that's how it ended up.
What did they retcon? If you look at the interviews with the creators they state NV isn't retconned and tbh I saw nothing in the show that retconned anything and I've been playing them since 1 came out.
I think you need to look up the meaning of retcon! 😂
Which is petty but makes monetary sense. The 'Fallout' fans now are Bethesda ones. They know FO1 & FO2 fans went to FNV and are critical of their product
@@DWTerminatordid you guys not see anything anyone has said? Todd said everything happens after new Vegas and new Vegas is cannon u new Vegas players are so unbearable
It's abundantly clear that most people are just mentally becoming the fat wall-e people in space, totally content with their never ending slop. I wasn't really expecting the show to try be canon or even pretend that it would be, nor do I really care one way or the other (only thing that matters are what is in the games), but the low quality and awful writing was enough to turn me off from it. these days all you need for something to be successful is to just make the characters "quirky"
People are sheep. No think, only consume.
Low quality and awful writing?
I'm a fat wall e person cause I didn't fucking hate this show?
Cry me a river, so I can float down it.
Go back to the last of us or halo
This is why I just quit eating, we might have the same motorized scooter but we do not look the same
What shows from the last 10 years would you consider to have high quality and good writing?
@@Drax514 True Detective Season 1
This video was an absolute treat for me, thank you very much for making a very helpful perspective of the whole Fallout series and bringing to light all the lore inconsistencies introduced by Bethesda. All of this is very similar to how I felt about the Star Wars franchise ever since Disney took over about a decade ago.
People calling NV "boring" need to stop playing rpgs.
Out of all the things that could've made me enter a state of apathy about Fallout as a setting, was not anything that BGS did. It was when I realized that modern Fallout fans will accept anything. None of the terrible things Bethesda ever did to the series blackpilled me as hard as that realization.
Bethesda fans have been letting them get away with all manner of crap for way too long. Hell, a lot of people forget Bethesda that was at the forefront of the microtransaction hell we find ourselves in today with the likes of Oblivion's horse armor. As of Starfield it does seem like there's finally some backlash, though it's certainly not enough.
It's funny about how Bethesda online discourse went from rightfully crapping on Starfield, but then here comes this mid-ass show, and suddenly people are begging Bethesda to make Fallout 5, Fallout 4 has 160k player count on Steam and 76 has 70k, and I've seen the appallingly common sentiment that 4 is a good game, and that 76 was always good under the bugs. Oh and let's not forget dunking on classic Fallout fans, and 'letting people play whatever they want', is now like criticizing Bethesda is tantamount to forcing someone to not enjoy their games.
I think PatricianTV put it best in his Starfield review, "Starfield is the game you deserve." In that spirit, I am praying that ES6 and Fallout 5 are even worse, because Bethesda fans accepting slop of this level, for this long, deserves nothing better.
modern Fallout fans are not the ppl who opened the CD box in 1998.
The franchise has been coopted by Microsoft, and is being propagated as far and wide as is financially beneficial to them
@@HelloKollaYou know what? Same I agree. I hope there's no game and it's just a $60 crash screen.
@Retrofire-47 but microsoft wasn't involved at all for FO3 and 4, they bought bethesda fairly resently, so can't blame them for messing up lore, stories and mechanics 🤷♀️
The biggest cope people tell me when I say the series retcons new vegas by having Shady Sands fall in 2277, is that it's not a fall, but a decline. Putting aside that tzeentch level bullshittery for a second, they then go on to say "The NCR was always in decline and on the brink of collapse, they say that in New Vegas all the time!"
... No. No NPC in the game has ever said such a thing. The closest to that is the NCR scientist guy I forgot the name of that sends you to vault 22, who mentions a famine coming... *_in a decade or so._* The game takes place in 2281, over 4 years into this so-called decline. In fact, it's mentioned several times, like in Cass's companion quest that NCR in California is much stronger than whatever you see in the Mojave.
People think that the NCR having trouble securing Hoover Dam while under attack from the largest faction they’ve ever come across means that the entirety of the NCR is at risk of collapse.
Emile P's rejection of continuity just pisses all over decades of the efforts of many novelists to maintain continuity in their lengthy novel series. For that matter, it pisses all over the efforts of 250 years of the blood, sweat, and tears of novelists in general, in the way that he sets a horrific example to writers in general.
Keeping track of everything I've seen so far, some things to point out in a sequel video would be.
.GECK's having Cold Fusion already, thus it's an established tech.
.Tactics being re-established as fully canon
.Some more details on the firearm changes
.Citing the 'Nake the Rake' debacle as proof of how haphazard Bethesda can be
.The WHOLE Master/Unity/Cathedral/they should all be long gone issue(lot's of time dedicated to this one and premptively taking out the arguments
.More other issues I probably missed
.Addressing some of the counter arguments here that are legitimate(not a lot, but a few, like it being a 'fun series' or the fact Shady Sands went from 80 KM north-west of Las Vegas Nevada in Fallout 1 to the middle of California in Fallout 2)
.Addressing the BS argument that basically says 'All the lore complaints are from 1, 2, and NV, who cares those aren't Bethesda games stop living in the past lol' and the fact there are essentially two fandoms in a trench coat barely being held together by a shared loved of NV and the show is cutting that rope connecting them.
Bethesda hasn’t produced a decent game since Morrowind. I loved that game. Everything after that has been kinda “meh.” But they absolutely destroyed fallout
I mean i cant stand elder scrolls games, i think they're mind numbingly boring, but im pretty sure the skyrim fan boys would disagree with you 😂
@@RakdosMC and your point is?
I can't believe oxhorn and tks mantis despite making so many lore videos praised this show and dickride it so hard, the absolute shilling is insane. I wouldn't be surprised if bethesda paid those two..
The former one is a Bethesda shell in his so-called lore videos are nothing more than overly glorified let's play videos
TKS Mantis had a cameo in the show
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes so what he's a shill
I stopped watching Oxhorn completely after he started running Bethesda damage control for this show.
Yet another franchise killed by corporate greed.
It’s not killed, it’s on life support.
@@TiberiumViking_777 soon enough the people who obsess with the show will realise how soulless the newer fallout has become, 10 years from now youll see people asking "we want the old fallout!" like you arent the reason the franchise is in the gutter.
@@ytmld I will not deny what you said & that is true & i never liked the new fallout at the same time i will give it a chance the ONLY fallouts i care about are I, II, III, & FNV that is it Fallout 4 is meh and does not feel like fallout it's a copy and paste of skyrim just with the fallout logo and skin (same with fallout 76)
that is why i say fallout is on life support/coma, i think the wisest thing Microsoft can do is revoke the fallout IP from bethesda permanently and give it to people that know what there doing & have a understanding of what fallout is and the Lore.
Realistically, it was killed the moment Bethesda got their grubby mitts on it. New Vegas gave it a shot of adrenaline, but then Fallout 4, 76 and the show turned it into swiss cheese.
what is bethesdas obsession with nukes? It always seemed strange to me that they feel the need to have a nuclear bomb in all of their fallout properties, you got megaton, you nuke the institute, you have...whatever the fuck is going on with fallout 76, and now you got shady sands being nuked. It's almost like they think their audience is too stupid to understand what a nuclear bomb is so they have to give you a live demonstration every single game.
its like star wars and light sabers.
It's almost like Bethesda completely misses the point of the Fallout series or something...
@@DWTerminator Its almost like you didn't play fallout 1 and see the military base and the vault under the cathedral get nuked with literal cutscenes same with the oil rig in fallout 2. That's alright Bethesda bad hurrr durr.
It's almost like Bethesda portrays nukes as fun or funny while Interplay and Obsidian portrayed them as catastrophically powerful weapons that should never be taken lightly. Weird how that works.
That's why in Lonesome Road, you go around with a laser pointer detonating several that are just laying there to end with the possibility of nuking the ncr and legion .
The Fallout show is simultaneously a faithful adaptation of the games and canon to them, while you're also supposed to shut up and ignore the changes to said canon and anything that contradicts the games to just enjoy the fun, dumb show because "hahahahaha wacky Fallout."
It can't be a faithful adaptation of the games that's canon while at the same time making whatever changes it wants to established rules and lore from the games. If it wants to go off and do it's own thing and be loosely based on the Fallout lore, then fine, do this parody version of a Fallout series. You just can't be pretending it's faithful and canon while you make a parody of it.
I wasn’t bothered as much by the changes compared to the games compared to the show going “and then this happened” so many times in the plot. I’m not going to complain though, for that disappointment I still was okay with Invincible
Since when had the brotherhood ever travel in pairs? They've always traveled in squads with troops both in and out of power armor
Sending one armored knight out with a single untrained unarmored squire is just asking for dead brothers
Ever played Fallout 4??? Obviously you didn't...
@@funki4896Even in FO4, so far, Danse (excuse me if I misspelled his name) didn’t do the mission without you as his companion. But that’s as far as I have gone with the Brotherhood missions before I went and got occupied with Minutemen missions.
@@funki4896 I wish I hadn't played FO4 tbh.. Fallout in name only
I haven't watched all of the episodes, but if you referring to knight Titus and the black dude in the beginning they didn't send them out. He was bored and wanted to shoot something.
@@deslow7411 I forgot about that... That makes it even worse lol that's like the last thing you'd expect a knight to do.. Even a bad one
Firstly, I do believe Tactics IS canon. It's in both Interplay's Fallout Bible from before Van Buren and Bethesda's Official Timeline from 6 weeks back.
Secondly, despite the gameplay being...horrible, I don't actually think the main plot of Brotherhood of Steel Console causes too many issues itself actually. Interplay was toying with making it canon during those final months as it tied into Tactics. Tactics 2 would have referenced it if it had finished and Van Buren would be referenced in BOS 2 if they had been finished.
TL:DR, It's about a small chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel in Carbon(probably in Western Texas or Utah, it's somewhere in the Southwest) fighting against Attitus, the commander of the last major super mutant army remaining. The BOS already have chapters everywhere, even in the Interplay days and Bethesda just ballooned that, that checks out. The mutant plot also checks out. Even after the Master and Lou die in 2163 and the vats are wiped out, most of the actual active mutant armies on patrol or prepping to invade are intact, and gradually flee east. The good ending for the Brotherhood mentions they work with the newly formed NCR in the following years to drive most of the mutants from the region, and the bad ending for the Khans mentions that a few years after the game they get wiped out by a retreating mutant army. So they are an issue for decades in the region, some flee west, some get wiped out. And Fallout tactics(set in 2197 initially and lasting for a few years) literally starts out with a detachment of the BOS being sent to wipe out Mutant forces who are in the Mid-West that escaped the purges out west. Yes, you end up straying wildly from that initial goal, but the Super Mutants in the mid-west are all wiped out by the end of the game. So the last remaining Mutant army a decade later being in the southwest(probably in West Texas) makes perfect sense, it's the only place left to go.
I don't give a crap what Bethesda considers cannon at this point
GET THE JELLY MOULD OUTTA HERE
Talk about a coincidence. I just finished fallout 1 ( and also my first and only fallout game so far ) just a couple of days ago. What can I say? Easily one of the greatest games I've ever played and nowhere near as hard or cryptic as the internet makes it out to be. If anything, the game does a pretty good job at subtly directing you in the right way, provided you actually bother exploring and talking to the NPCs. Even the time limit wasn't that bad. I found the water chip with 100 days left.
Why does the ghoul look like that again?
The problem I had with the show is it came across too much of a 'piss take' of the originals, being F1, F2 and FNV. The world of these games is gritty, dark and quite bleak. Sure, there's some satire and humour mixed in, but it's quite subtle and not over the top in-your-face like it was done in the show. They drastically overused 50's music to the point where the show felt cheesy and anti-climactic, and the pacing of the first 3 episodes was boring and lacked any kind of excitement whatsoever. The Brotherhood of Steel were made out to be a bunch of complete clowns as well, nothing at all like their mysterious yet capable persona portrayed in the classics. It's clear that Bethesda has destroyed this series and that the show was not made for true Fallout players who appreciate the lore, only a general demographic of casual gamers that couldn't give a crap about a good story and probably started with F4, a mindless looter-shooter completely devoid of susbstance.
This should be the top comment. It's pretty much cemented in my mind that if anyone likes this show its because fallout 4/76 is the only ge they've played or they haven't played any of them and just like the noise and pretty colors like a todler
The positive reception of this show means we already live in Idiocracy.
@@shihonage "i hate good things that people like for good reasons, i'm so unique"
I never got the interpretation of fallout being a gritty/dark take on a post apocalypse. FO2 is probably the goofiest title to date with an almost insufferable amount of references and niche 90's nerd humor. And FO:NV had about as many gritty dark plots as it had funny/goofy stuff.
In fact all things considered fallout is a pretty goofy series where people shoot themselves in the head, and the tardis aswell as aliens are canon.
And what's sad, due to being the latest single player Fallout game, F4 had the biggest spike in sells and popularity after TV show release. Truly a depressing sight. New Vegas barely managed to get into top 10 and F3 was still higher.
its doom scrolling when you see mainstream commentary youtubers are also shilling for this shit show.
Well that’s it
Fallout has been simplified into another empty product
Bethesda just needs to fire their writing team and hire some competent writers and they'd have almost no negative criticism, just the engine is showing its age too
I first got into the 'Fallout' universe when a Navy friend asked if I ever heard of it. He loaned me his PS3 & 'Fallout 3' while he went back home for leave. The 3rd entry pulled me in & I easily sunk +100 hours within 2 weeks. I'd never binge-played like this before & I knew PS3 would be on my shopping list.
Alas, I only ever did two full playthroughs. The main story ending either diminished your choice to let a radiation-immune companion be the hero, OR nullified your sacrifice.
Then, 'New Vegas' came along & my mind was truly blown away!Once I learned about the OGs from Interplay heading this up, it hyped me & I discovered more lore and company's backstory to this digital universe. This iteration still holds up & I can always come back to it years later, especially with its multiple DLCs that expand & branch out the boundaries so much more than expected.
Can't say the same with 'Fallout 4.' It became "casual" and not so fun. To this day, I've never even been bothered to finish it just once after nearly 8 years of owning a physical copy. The show never gave me anything positive to feel as the showrunners stated explicitly before release: _"We didn't make this show for the fans."_
And it most definitely shows their lack & care of the lore within this media.
Of all the "turn your brain off, no think, only consume" mediocrity that constitutes "entertainment" these days, this show is indeed one of the shows of all time.
My verdict was that the show was a theme park ride. I felt like it was trying to be like gameplay and not a regular sci-fi story. Given how it was video game based, that makes some sense.
@@KaosNova2Yeah, one of my biggest problems with the characters acted like what player characters would act like.
The thing that sucks for me, is I used to be the hardest of hard core Bethesda fans. But after being abused by them too much, I can't just overlook what they have become. It truly sucks, it sucks really bad. It's something I actually lament...
But the truth is I have no confidence in them for anything anymore. I'm actually dreading TES : IV at this point, I have no confidence in Emils storytelling. I'm absolutely hoping to be proven wrong and to be clowned on for feeling this way, because I like being a Bethesda fan. I want to feel that passion again they used to have. Unfortunately The Great Morrowind Burn-Out was a very dark time, and has yet to be recovered from it seems.
However i ABSOLUTELY would not - knowing what i do about Bethesda and how their inner workings have operated - put it past them to be absolutely petty about about the fans of the old not liking their writing. Todd has been pettier about FAR less than that, so has Emil. A lot of what was done almost couldn't have been an accident the way it was portrayed. I'm sorry but it just can't. The show was them saying "this is what Fallout is now, all you old fans are going to get used to it or go get bent, the old is dead." And it wasnt very subtle about it. The way it was done was too maldeasant to be seen as an accident. 1 is a fluke, 2 is a coincidence, 3 is a pattern, but what do you call more than 10? Malice? Hatred?
What a terrible year to be a classical Fallout fan,
Caring for a franchise you like will immediately get you mocked and shamed on.
Fallout now belongs to seal clapping tourist, shills, and Bethesda fans (who only plays the games just for the mods, not for the story nor world)
The series is cursed. It's time to let go.
Exactly what I have been thinking after watching the show. Sometimes I wished I never invested myself into this series.
@@ohokay8966 Was referring to the franchise 🖖
As long as 4 is the last one you purchase.
I'm making my own Fallout game. I'm not kidding. It's far along and it will be like Fallout 1, including the writing style and attention to world cohesion.
Bethesda and Amazon murdered Fallout. So I'll resurrect its essence as a different IP. And nobody will be able to ruin it again.
I'm starting to think the frontier isn't as bad as I thought. Even with the snake sex thing or whatever. It's better than what Emil puts out and at least it's not in preexisting locations 😅😂😂
Right on dude. Been saying for a while that we need something new to replace fallout. Good luck with your project.
Kinda reminds me of the Max Payne movie. I was and am a huge fan of the Max Payne series, but that movie was just…. No. Did they really even play the games before making it? And thinking about it, Max Payne would be a better tv series rather than a movie if you really wanted to get everything right.
i watched the movie and was bored to fuck
even gunfights are boring and uninspired
the only things i liked from that movie despite having nothing to do with the game was when sky turned into fire after he took the drug and got angry - looked good but idin't fit the movie
and final gunshot was well made
The entire Cold Fusion thing gets even funnier when you read through the G.E.C.K.s Wiki page and learn they are powered by Cold Fusion technology. Learned that from one of the EFAP Episodes.
New Vegas definitely didn't get the memo of the setting being "post-post-apocalyptic". There's garbage absolutely everywhere, even inside living areas of permanent settlements.
Problem with your assertion is that there's garbage absolutely everywhere in current day societies, so the mere presence of garbage in New Vegas doesn't equate to the game *not* being post-post apocalyptic.
@@DWTerminator usually not inside the living quarters of stable settlements and profitable businesses. In a small town like goodsprings, you'd expect people to not have trash littering their bedrooms and living spaces. You'd expect them to have moved prewar trash off the road.
What should be wealthy businesses in New Vegas, are still absolutely full of trash, with disheveled furniture all throughout the interiors. It's simply a narrative you people construct to claim that everything Bethesda has made is bad and everything non-Bethesda is good.
existence of trash in living settlements is the only thing that is enough to qualify for that?
The trash doesn't mean anything it doesn't stop new vegas from getting the point across that people are trying to rebuild and are actually doing it. Meanwhile in fallout 4 90% of the " settlements " are barley up to the standards of a homeless person let alone people rebuilding a society
@@damiondunn4663 then why does nothing look rebuilt or restored? The interiors of supposedly successful businesses inside Vegas are covered in garbage.
It's been years, yet not a single person thought it'd be a good idea to fill in the massive potholes on the Vegas strip? Name a single location which actually looks rebuilt and cleaned up in New Vegas, I'll wait. The only thing I explanation I can think of to explain this cognitive dissonance is that y'all live in neckbeard nests and consider the living areas in New Vegas clean. You don't need to have OCD to not want to live in 200 year old filth.
Remember guys, wacky gore and Marvel humor is the new standard.
Also killing tension really quickly
And weapons and armor are only useful when we need it to be.
I think Marvel humor was even more mature than this emotionally stunted crap...and it was written by a woman, which is even sadder. She has the mentality of a 13yr old boy
Finally! Someone who didn't blindly just like the show and love everything about it. I think the show would have been much better if it wasn't set in the Fallout world because it severely restricted it to Fallout's dumb modern lore.
I loathe how Volt Tech are the big bad guys now. It makes Fallout feel small scale and in puts it all in a neat little box.
The show writers are able to get away with dog shit like this because of the general deterioration of society and the consumer base.
Fallout was created by a gay man.
@@DamonAkuma92That has nothing to do with average intelligence or societal taste
It’s crazy just how big of a dumpster fire Fallout has become. My introduction was 3 from watching my dad play the game and it hold a special place in my heart, but I’m now well aware that at the very least it has NUMEROUS missed opportunities and the story is pretty bad. For a long time I didn’t know just how badly Bethesda messed up the lore and themes until doing some digging. Haven’t played the classic games because they aren’t really my thing. The stories and roleplaying elements are no doubt amazing, but the gameplay isn’t for me. If those remakes of 1/2 in Fallout 4’s engine ever get finished I’ll DEFINITELY play those to experience the magic. Or if we ever get something akin to Daggerfall Unity for classic Fallout that ports the games into a much better engine that’s easily moddable with various quality of life improvements I’ll play that. If those games were made more accessible then more people could experience the magic and come to the realization that Bethesda messed it up.
Thats SO FUNNY how Bethesda’s lead writer canonized Tactics and unintentionally made Nate a war criminal to tie him into Fallout 1😂. I wish that in addition to saying that it’s up to the player to decide the canon (he’s become Michael Kirkbride with the Fallout equivalent of C0da) he would’ve thrown in Brotherhood of Steel, purely because it would’ve been the funniest thing in the world!
You should make more videos where it starts out with rage and eventually you start hysterically laughing. Great video. So glad I discovered your channel a while ago.
shame that the orignals are not for you...
For me it’s mostly just that I’m not a big fan of isometric turn based games, or turn based games in general (the exceptions to this are Xcom style games and interestingly the Mario RPGs because they have timed hits that make the game feel more engaging than selecting through the menus). This isn’t meant as a jab against those games. I’m just saying it’s not my thing and what I’ve seen looks kind of clunky. If they were more accessible to newcomers like a Daggerfall Unity equivalent or the upcoming 1/2 remakes in Fallout 4’s engine I mentioned I’d play them over and over again.
@@shreksnow1918imagine instead of choosing to broaden your horizon for dirty cheap, you'd rather pay 60 bucks just to worsen your expirience. I don't know what Bethesda fans are complaining about, you clearly have being enjoying your slop for years now, what changed?
@electricsabbath996 I’m just saying the gameplay of the older games isn’t for me since I’ve never been a big fan of turn based combat. I LOVE the role playing elements, but the user interface is too clunky. Haven’t bought any of the most recent Bethesda products and I don’t plan to since they’ve really fallen off. Nor do I plan on buying any new Obsidian products since the modern incarnation of that studio is also garbage. Outer Worlds was mediocre at best and simply did not live up to the majesty of New Vegas. It’s safe to say the sequel WON’T be good, and from what we’ve seen of Avowed that doesn’t look promising either. Anyone who thinks modern Obsidian could make a worthy successor to New Vegas is regarded. That game was lightning in a bottle. There’s no need to have a Chris Chan tism for at me😂🧩
@@shreksnow1918 my point still stands. If you'd rather pay bethesda to shit out remakes of the first two games, rather than get out of your comfort zone you're still a consoomer, no matter what youtuber opinion you parrot. I'll save you the trouble and tell you you'll drop it out of boredom the second you realize you already played it, it was called fallout 3, and to some extent new vegas, don't expect to see anything new that bethesda hasn't nicked and copy-pasted from the original games, without the turn-based combat you'd just be playing those games again. stick to something your brain can process
like mario and rabbits.
TV show is garbage. NCR, completely written out of the show. The brotherhood comes off the worst in terms of how they are portrayed. But, so does everyone, and everything else. People seem to like the ghoul, mostly because of the actor, but, his story arc mangles ghouls as a species, the pre-war uS, vault-tec and everything else his arc touches. Everyone in this series got handed the idiot ball and they all ran with it. Vault dwellers come off as a bunch of inbred, liberal jerkoffs. Maximus is a total dipshit. The series keeps recycling the same stretch of wasteland outside Santa Monica over and over. The enclave is in there, for....reasons, but, I hardly recognize them either. Philly, Filly? is supposed to be a low-rent Megaton or something, but, nothing much happens there besides some obvious fan-service. The diverse lesbian woman who supposedly, discovers cold fusion, uses raiders to attack vault 33, (why did she feel the need to murder the people in V33 again, did they wrong her somehow?) but, later, seems to be the leader? of the NCR..... remnants? So does she work with raiders, or are the NCR raiders now? Dont know. The Ghoul, with his plot armor +10, wipes out Brotherhood all by himself while everyone just gawking at him like idiots while he kills them. Ok.
The writers of this show and god howard, took a massive dump on the series and lore. I wont be bothered with season 2, ill just keep playing Tale of Two wastelands and forget the TV show exists. To its limited credit, the vaults in the fallout 4 style, look good and so do the costumes for the most part. The one Mr Handly we met, was well done too. The exterior sets, not very good. Oh, did I mention Maximus is a total dipshit?
'For our purposes, the previous scene never happened.' -Fallout TV writers
I feel super conflicted because, despite the many, many problems involving modern media and adaptations, not just Fallout, I did actually enjoy the show. I think Walton Goggins and Ella Purnell especially did a great job as their characters. However, I do agree with the video, and it felt cathartic to hear the lore issues listed like this, as they were bothering me too. As a viewer enjoying a TV show, I had mostly a good time, but as a longtime classic Fallout fan, I'm really disappointed and concerned with what the franchise has become.
The franchise lost its soul a long time ago
Yeah I know the feeling. I still like the show, but what they did to the NCR is pretty messy. Although I can’t at this point be that mad since the lore has been screwed with so much that I’m numb to it
Just because its sugar coated shit, doesn't mean we are obligated to lower standards for it..
Too much of the conversation is "But its better than I thought, could be worse" or
"better than most game adapations"
Yes, but sugar coated sh*t is STILL SH*T
Personally I'm waiting till season 2 to judge it, the NCR could easily still exist, only Shady sands is gone and since the show is set after new Vegas I will hold my tongue till then.
@@zakbrown9256 lol "it get better at season 3"
We the fans should just make our own canon, we can make our own games with the wonderful powers of modding.
Atom RPG and wasteland sequels are there. And those work on all operating systems
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes I was going to say something about atom RPG, you can nuke Bethesda. Also, it has references to fallout new vegas.
So many plot holes caused simply by the unintentional relocation of the NCR Capitol to the LA Boneyard. If I had to guess, Todd and Emil didn't know that Shady Sands was never relocated, the map of Fallout 2 is more to the North compared to Fallout 1. Not only would the Master have found those 3 Vaults, they would not have even needed to raid them with mutants; they could have sent the Children of the Cathedral to talk the Vaults into opening up and spreading the good word of the Unity.
Other plot holes include:
How did the NCR "fall" in 2277, when New Vegas takes place in 2281? The backstory of New Vegas puts the First Battle for Hoover Dam (the one when Joshua Graham was the Legate) in 2277, the same year NCR fell according to this TV show. No one in New Vegas talks about California like the NCR fell 4 years ago. Ranger Ghost talks about NCR being politics as usual back in California, guys like Heck Gunderson are huge business owners back in NCR territory, and even the Van Graffs and Crimson Caravan are still in power back in California!
Where's Vault 13? It's kind of important considering it's supposed to be hidden in a mountain cave directly west of Shady Sands, the first location the Vault Dweller finds when heading East towards Vault 15. The Chosen One in Fallout 2 also needs to find Vault 13 to get the G.E.C.K. and one of the only leads to find it is to talk to Tandi, the President of NCR who was also rescued from the Khans by the Vault Dweller when she was a young girl.
Speaking of the Khans, where were they located? Their original camp was just South of Shady Sands, but the relocation to LA would put the Khans right next door to the Cathedral!
Where are the Followers of the Apocalypse? This is another important question because without the LA Boneyard, there's no Followers. No Followers means no Edward Sallow, which means no Caesar, which means no Legion!
Did anyone expect anything different from evil corporations (Bethesda and Amazon)?
No I am too old to hope but didn't invest too much engry into being cynical. But I wasn't expecting it to be this bad. I expected better for writer Jonathan Nolan. More fool me. I will say I will not accept Anti capitalism/ monopolies lectures from Amazon, Microsoft and bugtesta. To do so confirms we are in clown world and the clownification of our culture is well underway
I didn't expect the writers trying to flip the middle finger to Amazon. Maybe this whole show is supposed to be a massive shitstain to ruin Amazon, but they failed given the overall positive reception. I'm so fucking tired.
While the Followers of the Apocalypse should probably be here, I do want to note that the fates of Adytum, the Regulators, and The Gunrunners are never mentioned anywhere in the following games or the endings. It's ONLY the followers.
Also, in the Mutant Invasion mechanic that was half broken, The Boneyard is the very first place to get invaded. Before Necropolis(where we KNOW was invaded). And the good ending for the Followers even before the Mutant Invasion broke wasn't tied to the 90 day time limit for the Boneyard, but instead to rooting out a spy. And the Fallout 2 manual confirms that the Master was killed in late March and the base blown up in early April, just in time to save The Hub, but too late for the Boneyard or Necropolis.
So to me, the game is at least implying that even in the good ending(which you can't reach in Fallout 1 due to a bug), ONLY The Followers got out in time(probably thanks to Laura leaking them the plans). Adytum, Zimmerman's Crew, The Blades, and The Gun Runners all seemingly got wiped off the map by the mutants in canon.
The Gun Runners expanded to have multiple branches, including one in New Vegas, so they're definitely doing just fine. Hell, they're the primary supplier of high-quality firearms throughout the NCR and Mojave, as well as the main supplier of weapons for the NCR army.
Necropolis' current status is unclear, but it seems like all of Bakersfield got resettled by the NCR at some point according to a forum post by Josh Sawyer. We do know from the Fallout Bible that Necropolis was still settled by ghouls as of FO2 but that Set was no longer their leader.
Adytum is mentioned in New Vegas but only as a historical note, so there's not really any indication of its current status. We also have no idea what happened to Zimmerman or the Blades, presumably because their fate was determined by the player in FO1 and to make any kind of definitive statement on them would canonize one player choice or the other.
@@DWTerminator I wasn't 100% sure if that was the same Gun-Runners. Gunrunners isn't exactly a super specific or uncommon name, it's like raiders, could be anyone.
Even if it is them though they're still detached from the rest of the Boneyard(the in-game map puts them up north by the City of Industy while everyone else is down south). That and there's a huge deathclaw nest between them and Adytum which would cause some issues even for super mutants. I could see them making a break for it as they are a small and mobile group.
My point was that the official Fallout 1 timeline given by Fallout 2 effectively confirms that the Boneyard fell geographically since it's the first place to fall in the mutant invasion mechanic, and the Follower's good ending isn't tied to that(unless I guess you never even showed up until they were all gone), but instead on the spy. So they escaped regardless of what happenes to the Boneyard. And maybe the Gunrunners did too, still not 100% it's meant to be the same because very generic name.
But Adytum, the Blades, and Zimmerman's Regulators are larger, settled in the Boneyard, and are never mentioned again. Regardless of what choice was made the evidence suggests chronologically they didn't make it.
@@DWTerminator So yeah, by the time of the show it would mostly be a New NCR Settlement as mentioned in Fallout 2. The Followers eventually came back once The Master was gone, but the fates of everyone else who was there circa Fallout 1 ain't great
Bos on tv show is very poorly written
Listening vulpes butcher nipton more entertain me
Obviously, Bethesda and Amazon were jealous of Pixar so decided to turn vaultec into big and large
I'm at the point where I don't even trust the original creators of these franchises.
When Tim Cain calls this sludge of bad writing and fan service good, and even tells people who call Fallout 76 BAD to not call it THAT, I have a good feeling that these creators don't really care about their creations.
If Tim Cain talks like that, then Fallout just happened to be good out of sheer luck and Fallout 2 being the best in the series was made in his absence means that good ideas are meant to be stolen from idiotic individuals who simply don't care.
That goes pretty hard coming for someone who doesn't care! But I feel you.
@@oonmm
George Lucas cares about Star Wars, because it's making him money.
But he doesn't care about the complete bastardization of canon with horrible characters, bad writting, and whatever mockery Disney is making.
I think at this point cain is just enjoying the fact that something he made is in the mainstream, he went to the premiere and party and everything. So he'll make excuses as long as his baby can be in the spotlight. And let's not forget that his last several games have not been much better than betheslop like outer worlds
It prob cause of PR reasons, they would get blacklisted if they bad mouthed the games.
At this point one hoenstly has to wonder if Tim Cain might be in Beth / MS and Zenimax's pocket. It would explain a lot. Also remember how shit The Outer Worlds was? That had his name on it too, so he might've just lost his mind, who the hell knows. He should get ignored when it comes to his opinions on gaming, as sad as it sounds...
I rewatched a fan film called Nukabreak after having watched the show and I find Nukabreak way more entertaining than the show.
Yeah I watched that and a few NCR vs Legion fan films a while ago. Better than this slop
I have faint memories of Fallout 3 lore. However, when I saw the date that it was set in (i.e. 2277) I thought that it is a funny coincidence how Shady Sands "fell" in the year that the Bethesda set their first game in this fictional universe through which it became a slave master of it.
Fallout 1 is typical post-apocalyptic not post post-apocalyptic. There are no factories, nobody works from 9 to 5 electricity is scarce and it is produced by local pre-war sources of power. In Fallout 2 it starts to change however, still not on a large scale as the vast majority of the wasteland is still living in post-apocalyptic (not post post-apocalyptic) reality including all smaller settlements like Modok, Redding, Klamath etc. This being said, it is true that Bethesda completely doesn't understand Fallout universe hence the wrong placing in time of Fallout 3. And with Fallout 4, 76 and the TV show they put the franchise to the grave.
Post-apocalyptic is more "folks are concerned mainly with subsistence survival and aren't making any efforts to rebuild society." Fallout 1 is past that, and thus in the early stages of post-post apocalyptic. By FO2 the apocalypse is pretty much a distant memory.
... Then FO3 happened and Bethesda screwed that all up.
@DWTerminator If Bethesda wanted that setting, they could have just done it earlier in the timeline. But they clearly don't give a shit. I'm supposed to believe 200+ years after the bombs, people are still living in shanties and can't find clean water? Especially with GECKs lying around. Morrowind blew me away as a kid. They have fallen so far, and if they can't respect my intelligence with their terrible design choices, why should i buy their products anymore?
I'm not even gonna watch the show.
That bethesda guy saying the character in the Fallout 1 cutscene if the character of Fallout 4 landed terribly, but it has also an extra disgusting layer on top of it.
It's bethesda pissing over the work of better people and claiming as their own.
That's Emil, lead writer of Skyrim, Fallout 4, and Starfield with credits on Fallout 76. You have had the best introduction into everything he is about.
He's also the writer for Skyrim, oblivion and fallout 3. That man is single handedly destroying loved ip's
This is the best video on the show, absolutely fantastic
At times, the show felt less like FALLOUT and more like BORDERLANDS.
It really did feel like Borderlands at times... ironically it's probably better Borderlands media than the actual Borderlands movie is going to be.
@@DWTerminator I forgot about that coming out.
The only thing guaranteed to be at least decent will be Jack Black voicing Clap-trap. Damn near every role he touches is gold.
Other than that, I'm predicting a flop.
To be fair, FO4 feels more like Bioshock than Fallout
Exactly... and that brain in a jar at the end.. I literally said ""they might as well call it 'Claptrap'.
I know for a fact that they intentionally changed the lore the same thing has happened in multiple series made by Amazon with a licensed I.P. the heavy media presence praising it while not referencing the problems screams paid off to me. And people who didn't play fallout don't even get why it's so bad
I feel like they just amalgamated the Brotherhood and Caesar's Legion into one faction... what with the Roman names and "ritual" beatings.
It’s crazy how people don’t see how much Bethesda hates and never understands the original Fallout games and New Vegas.
-They hate progression in Fallout
-They hate how the OG’s and New Vegas are 100x better than their games (Story, world building, factions, characters, choice)
-They always think that Fallout is all about the wasteland, the very wacky and weird, everything has to be Mad Max, Power Armor, Vault boy, Finding your lost family member, etc.
-They don’t think ahead and managed to damage the lore with dumb stupid retcons
-They never understand Fallout at all and it’s a fact proven time and time again
-They want to keep Fallout stuck in a Borderlands/Max Max knockoff state loop, instead of people rebuilding and building a functional society like what the NCR did. It’s one of the main reason why they killed off the NCR
Why don't we make our own post post apocalyptic series
Because people want the Fallout Franchise, they want the Lore. Thats why even if you create your own post post Apo franchise, the chance it just be mid at best is very high. Also, the lack of funding.
@@eiszapfenderwutendenwinde3233 I mean I can start with a novel right or a short film or something?
@@brickproduction1815 Are you asking our permission?
@@Retrofire-47 I don't know. I just got some ideas here and there
Because it doesn't hit the same as fallout. I mean, writers like Avellone, Sawyer and Tim Cain have written for the series, it'll be hard to create an original universe to match that.
B-B-But Todd "Ain't that a Lie in the Head" Howard told me everything is fine! Just buy the next game!
16x times the scam.
This is my probably my favorite Fallout tv show video. Every major flaw and problem, going also beyond tv series summarized in 1,5 hour. Thank you for making it at providing arguments for Bethesda's incompetence.
56:50 forget everything you said, all americans in Fallout 4 are lefthanded according to Bethesda, there is not a single righthanded hunting rifle in the game and it drives me crazy
Lefties rise up!
The hunting rifles being the only notable left-handed guns are a particularly glaring annoyance, especially considering every single character in FO4 (hell, the entire franchise, really) is depicted as right-handed.
Of course, I know *why* they did it. It's to show off more in the weapon handling animations. Yet another aesthetic choice made without remotely considering or caring about what it does to the setting.
@@DWTerminator not to mention that FO3 got the rifles right
@@DWTerminatoralso, in Starfield the way the guns designed in that game are also bad since every damn gun is CASELESS Ammunition it really shows the bethesda fans would just accept the slop being made by bethesda
Caseless ammo is fine for a sci-fi game where you're wandering around in outer space. Hell, Starfield's ammo choices actually make more sense than Halo, where they're still using standard brass-cased 7.62 NATO against aliens in the 2500s.
I loved the show at first, then I watched your video. Now I’m starting to get Jurassic World/ Star Wars Ep 7 vibes, especially with the “eh f*ck the old fans for complaining, you’re over critiquing things.”
There are elements I think could’ve worked in this show like the 3 vaults being connected, but the location of Shady Sands straight up being changed by a fair distance away is crazy. I have no hope for Elder Scrolls 6 nor a Fallout 5. Although Bethesda is to blame, the fans have to take accountability for accepting garbage and Starfield is what fans deserve. But considering how Fallout 76’s screwups and anti consumer practices now appear to be hand waved by the community, I truly think there’s no low Bethesda can go before its fans finally wake up. I’m calling it, Starfield in the minds of its fan base in a few years time will be forgotten and forgiven by the fans.
After Bethesda released another unwanted patch and bricked the Fallout 4 Script Extender, i went back to playing Fallouts 1,2, Tactics, and FNV. I only mod Skyrim and Fallout 4 to make them Actual RPGs and a bit more Grim dark.
I want the Amazon show to tank in the end and Bethesda is forced to hand off the license. Microsoft needs to get their sh*t together as well.