If we didn't kill off his entire tribute chain, I think he would have clapped us like Rhulk when you reached his final stand. Just pure power unmatched
It's honestly the funniest shit that Rhulk could've canonically wiped the floor with us at any point during VotD, but in waiting until final stand to take the gloves off caused his own undoing
@@cataposs when your entire purpose is proving over and over and over that you are more worthy of life then another, having an ego comes with the territory. Its a bit cheesy but it really works
@@psythen4562 or he could have just physically attacked us lol. I feel like with these raids, the bosses should do more instead of just staring at us prepare to kill them. A good example is rhulk
Part of me has always felt that, as cool as Oryx’s fight was, you’d think the most powerful Hive would’ve been harder to kill. But knowing that he was in a weakened state after we defeated his court and took away a significant source of his power, it does make more sense. I wish we could’ve gotten a better idea of what he would’ve been like at full strength, although I imagine we might not’ve stood a chance if that were the case.
You could say all of KF is the fight against Oryx, you are directly weakening his power all throughout after all. If KF is essentially an argument of logic, then by killing each boss you are proving your logic is superior and then the fight against Oryx himself is the closing argument. He presents his gauntlet as a way of saying "Prove to me your logic and I will give you mine." and that's what we do. Oryx, through logic, is the raid.
@@dreadangel3752 True, I mean you kill his most loyal servant there too. The War Priest is The one guy who would stay even if Oryx wasn’t strong enough to stop him.
@@The_Corn_God Nope. He’s already weak by then. An accurate display is in the lore when he takes a magical bird the size of a planet. Or you could just say he does that blast a hundred times over without effort.
I've always wondered if our defeating of Oryx is what made the Witness move from wanting to just destroy the Traveler and the Light, to using the Light in tandem with Darkness to further its own goal of the Final Shape. First Oryx then Rhulk, we showed that Light and Darkness together can do the impossible and kill the unkillable. Could be why the Witness says the Traveler's Pale Heart is the key.
Suppose so. It’s quite possible that what happened is that perhaps Nezarec’s betrayal of the Witness was attacking the Traveler. Maybe the Witness has always known the power of the Traveler and has been seeking it ever since Witness came into knowledge of its existence. Nezarec attacked the Traveler in a betrayal of the Witness and just because, well, he thrives off of pain. The Traveler knocks Nezarec back to the moon, killing him in the process. I suppose after Witness heard of the attack, Witness went to see if Traveler was still there, and Savathun pulled an illusion, either by showing the Traveler dead/destroyed or by not being there, leading the Witness away from Earth and back on a pursuit for the Traveler, which was actually back on Earth the entire time. Then the Red War occurs, the Witness finds out Traveler is alive, and the now ginormous Black Fleet makes their way back to where it was last seen. That’s my interpretation of this so far.
I love how the parallels of bomb and sword logic are represented in-game. When Guardians triumph over harder foes, they become more powerful, as seen in the power level. But when Guardians work together, such as in a raid, they accomplish things that simply could never been done, even when they aren't the most powerful thing there (as in contest mode).
There's a lore tab where Rhulk tries to take the light and the traveler talks to him and seems to hurt him. I think there's a really interesting parallel there, Bungie is trying to say you can't take the light by force, like with Ghaul, and this is why Savathun's approach worked. She doesn't demand anything. So when we free the light in the raid we are basically enacting the traveller's will in un- taking it's power, we sort of draw on the same power that clapped Ghaul in end of red war and Rhulk in that lore tab.
Two things to note on this: 1: The observation that we enact our own logic to counter Oryx's own Sword logic Doxology is actually referenced in Rhulk's rants at us during his own raid. I don't remember the exact phrase, but he does touch on how we were given the opportunity, the gift, and instead we subverted it. This may, in fact, be the point that he is referencing. 2: On the point that the Witness may find Guardians worthy of being Disciples, the very existence of Guardians(or us, the players) necessitates the existence of some exceptional guardians who are both worthy and willing to fully embrace the Witness and the Darkness. However, just as we the players necessitate that inevitability, it also means the opposite; that the need for one to exist results in the pinnacle of Lightbearing Guardians as well. And if both exist, then it stands to reason that those that walk both paths will exist. I think that could end up tying in with where Destiny goes in years to come. It'll be interesting to see where Bungie takes it, as they have made choices that are incredibly simple compared to fan theories and predictions, yet are able to connect things that Seem simple together, magnifying the complexity.
This is probably nowhere near a new idea, but I think this fight is why the Darkness/Witness started talking to us. Toland said that the blighted light used to fight Oryx was "barely light anymore". That proves that a guardian's power is not just light, that we are not just minions of the Traveler like all the others that the hive consumed. We are something new. Something worth investigating.
Gosh, if the story writing nowadays was applied back then, this fight and victory against Oryx would be backed with much more significance of the lore put in game. Even still, this victory against Oryx as it is in game still left an impact throughout D2. Still one of my favorite boss battles in Destiny.
Witch Queen is pretty much Savathun’s answer to her brother’s death and led to questioning of millions of years of dominance of the Light by the Dark. And undoubtedly it made the Witness take us seriously. The ripples of Oryx’s death are still being felt.
Considering Toland was super pissed that we didn't take up the mantle of Taken King, and also that we have the Tablets of Ruin just sitting in a fucking box somewhere now, I really hope we get a Taken themed darkness subclass, because the effects just look so god damn cool.
@@Santisima_Trinidad We picked one up during the Witch Queen mission that takes us to the Lightblade strike, and then there should be another one on/in Golgoroth if I remember right.
Hey byf have you ever considered making a lore video about The Guardian? Yknow us? That would be cool talking about how this “new” guardian has risen to become the best and surpassing old legendary guardians pretty fast after being revived
So Bungie does a thing in their previous games where the protagonist is not so much a regular human being but rather an embodiment of the concept of "the hero of myth". Essentially, in Bungie's worlds, whenever the existence of mankind is threatened with extinction, a demigod-like hero will rise to defeat the threat (almost always aliens, or god-aliens), before falling back asleep until he's needed again. We already know that Destiny's universe has deep ties to Marathon's universe, which is where this concept is made very explicit: the protagonist literally becomes the last living thing in the universe (the final shape, some might say?) and has a quote that pretty neatly sums up the whole thing. "I have been Roland, Beowulf, Achilles, Gilgamesh. I have been called a hundred names and will be called a thousand more before the world goes dim and cold. I am a hero." We are the most powerful Guardian to exist because that's what we need to be to protect humanity.
I’ll just remind everyone that the Light and Dark ideologies (bomb and sword logic respectively) are reflected in the vessels of their existence. The Traveler is rounded out, in shape of a circular, almost stereotypical, bomb. From its midpoint, all it envelops inside itself is equally near and far away. It reaches out towards all. The Pyramids are shaped as such because the Sword logic runs off of tribute. The one at top, the Witness, recruits ones who tribute to its cause, which increases as the “base” grows larger and larger in scale. The tribute is sent upwards towards it, increasing the power of the “tip” and thus acts like a pyramid scheme. Looks can be deceiving, but they’re revealing as well.
I think the concept of the Guardians studying the Sword Logic in order to execute this seamless plan to kill Oryx is just so cool and should have been emphasized way more in game to drive home the importance of what we were doing
We know the goal or purpose of the witness is to prune the universe of life to make room for the strong and more fruitful species. I believe that this moment here where we defeated oryx is the moment the witness looks upon and says the gardener is no longer playing a fair game. This is the first definitive moment where we can say that bomb logic soundly defeated sword logic.
Hey Byf! Full honesty here, most of your videos I have trouble following. This one on the other hand was very easy for my peanut brain to follow. Great vid!
Ahh this brings me back to 2016, I use to play D1 heavy but when D2 came out and playing here and there over the years the flame was gone for me but I’ll always remember when D1 came out the beta and playing almost everyday after school going to the Destiny companion app looking for people to do raids with and spending hrs trying to do the raid lol remember gallahorn was a must have for like everything and the vex mytholast was op in the beginning and can’t forget Peter Dinklage as the ghost, good times with d1
I'll never forget running KF for the first time and wiping damn near 50 times on the ships. Everybody had a good laugh off that. Bones got me to the other side tho.
oryx isnt dead he is a universal aspect like his sisters war and slaughter knowledge and exploration cunning and trickery they could bring each other back via these aspects and weve been using stuff made from oryx and his entire tribute chain and seeking and learning ways to deal w the witness we are going to be responsible for his return
@@psythen4562 Um. No. not even remotely. Rhulk was a direct desciple of the Witness. Oryx was merely a pawn. I mean Rhulk destroyed the Leviathan of Fundament in an instant. And we can see from the rib he kept in his Pyramid how big that thing must have been. Also the fact that all the power the hive collected was tithed up to Xita, the Worm Mother in Rhulk's pyramid. Rhulk was above what even Oryx considered a God.
You need to see professor broman and teawrex when they did D1 kings fall worlds first. Teawrex's reaction to first seeing oryx sums up this masterpiece fight. Love you byf, massive fan of your work.
Remember that, in the Altar of Reflection, Savathuun asks us why the humans are able to wield both light and dark, but every other species can only wield one. The Witness has to know the answer to this, and that answer is going to be really important in finishing the Saga.
The traveller has to give its power of the light but the darkness just exists. It doesn’t need to be given to be gained. So the answer doesn’t reside with The Witness, it resides with the Traveller and why it let civilization after civilization die instead of letting them rise.
Me personally now seeing what the travel can bestow light to bearer’s who were once servants to darkness and vice versa how guardians chosen by light can use darkness, I think both the traveler and the witness know there’s something bigger than even themselves it’s not just one side or other anymore
But really, when you think about it, we still killed Oryx, and as such we proved our power. We used a more complicated method, yes, but we still exercised the Sword Logic by proving our power over him. No matter what power we wield, as long as we slaughter, we prove the Deep right. Principle, Power, and moral alignment are anything but synonymous. Our Light has been used to destroy more than create, and through destruction, we unknowingly invoked the very same doxology that Oryx drew upon. We called out to the Witness without even knowing it. On Europa, all those years later, we were answered.
I feel like the Witness may have observed the battle with Oryx. The mini obelisks in the court (the blue ones that kinda look like lights) are pyramid shaped. It's a bit of a stretch, but I could see someone on their writing team sneaking that in for later or something
More than anything this just shows how closely the lore and raid design team have to work together to make mechanics and lore line up. I’m very curious which comes first in development or if it’s simultaneous.
I think the Witness is keeping tabs on us, because like the Traveler, we keep changing the rules. Every gun, every kill, every victory changes the rules that the Witness plays by. He plays by the rules by giving other races their own version of our powers, and yet we alter or in a severe case, break the rules and make them our own. I don't think the Witness is concerned with the Traveler anymore so much as he is with us. There's a reason he spoke directly to us, especially after we proved ourselves strong enough. And I think he's scared we're gonna be more powerful than him. A pawn that can take the king.
It’s funny, knowing as much as we do now, how insignificant Toland is, especially as a wayward echo in the Ascendent Plane. He was arrogant enough to believe he could parlay with a deadly Hive Wizard, only for her to sue the Deathsong to sever his soul and rend his Light. His constantly patrronizes Guardians stronger than him, and Mara. Toland is victim of his own hubris. His arrogance and lack of faith in the Light, in humanity. Maybe he wished to be a servant of the Hive? Or to gain power from the Witness? Whatever the case, he ironically, only believes himself to be much stronger than he really is. Like Clovis, if one of the Hive or one of the Witness’ Disciples, confronted him, he’d be dead. He thought himself above the eternal war of light and dark, thought he was a important player, but he wasn’t worthy or selfless enough to even be a pawn. He may have gotten what he deserved for his arrogance.
I think us defeating oryx is part of why the witness called us to europa and showed us stasis. We defeated one of his strongest soldiers so he thought we were worthy(?) i dont know im kinda slow in beyond light lore. Open to correction
I feel like in a sense our Guardian has proven that the logic/ideologies of both The Hive and the Guardians were incomplete - we are paracasual in nature, we will things to be and they are. Yes we are empowered by The Traveller and use the Light to impose our will upon the universe, yet we've proven we can force corrupted Light to bend to our will and even that we can impose our will on the Dark.
Actually its called "doxology" because of the motion of the hands. Clapping of the hands has religious use in many religions and cults generally having the meaning of "giving praise", your overthinking it here as its just one of the cases of bungie wanting a fancy term for a certain attack. Thing is D1s had no connection to the witness because he was retconned in during D2, the darkness was intended to be an enemy in D2 but due to writer changes the whole concept of darkness as this mystical vague but immensely powerful opposing force was watered down, overexplained and demystified via the "witness did it" explanation in part so they didn't have to end destiny universe with its defeat.
Man says "I am terrible at PvP in just about every single possible imaginable way". *looks up Byf's stats* *K/D in the top 10% with positive K/D for every game mode except one.. and he has a 0.99 in that.* Welp, that's just proven to me that I am apparently somewhere below trash and radioactive waste water on the scale of things. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
If we didn't kill off his entire tribute chain, I think he would have clapped us like Rhulk when you reached his final stand. Just pure power unmatched
It's honestly the funniest shit that Rhulk could've canonically wiped the floor with us at any point during VotD, but in waiting until final stand to take the gloves off caused his own undoing
@@cataposs when your entire purpose is proving over and over and over that you are more worthy of life then another, having an ego comes with the territory. Its a bit cheesy but it really works
@@cataposs yeah same with oryx he could’ve just floated below the platform and clapped and we would’ve lost
@@psythen4562 I wanted to, but bingo gods said no
@@psythen4562 or he could have just physically attacked us lol. I feel like with these raids, the bosses should do more instead of just staring at us prepare to kill them. A good example is rhulk
I think Oryx died because we killed him, but I’m not entirely sure. He probably just ran out of batteries
no, I just transfered my essence into the gun for Guardians to use and feed me. Technically, I'm still alive
I mean, yeah, he was literally starving to death while we fought him.
@@oryxthetakenking8275 my lord and saviour
oryx is a xbox player confirmed. xbox master console.
@@oryxthetakenking8275 "Sadly, I was killed. But I lived!" -Oryx, Probably
Part of me has always felt that, as cool as Oryx’s fight was, you’d think the most powerful Hive would’ve been harder to kill.
But knowing that he was in a weakened state after we defeated his court and took away a significant source of his power, it does make more sense. I wish we could’ve gotten a better idea of what he would’ve been like at full strength, although I imagine we might not’ve stood a chance if that were the case.
You could say all of KF is the fight against Oryx, you are directly weakening his power all throughout after all. If KF is essentially an argument of logic, then by killing each boss you are proving your logic is superior and then the fight against Oryx himself is the closing argument. He presents his gauntlet as a way of saying "Prove to me your logic and I will give you mine." and that's what we do. Oryx, through logic, is the raid.
@@dreadangel3752
True, I mean you kill his most loyal servant there too. The War Priest is The one guy who would stay even if Oryx wasn’t strong enough to stop him.
An adequate display of oryx at full power would be the cutscene where he kills Mara Sov and like thousands of Awoken in a big blast.
@@The_Corn_God
Nope. He’s already weak by then.
An accurate display is in the lore when he takes a magical bird the size of a planet.
Or you could just say he does that blast a hundred times over without effort.
I've always wondered if our defeating of Oryx is what made the Witness move from wanting to just destroy the Traveler and the Light, to using the Light in tandem with Darkness to further its own goal of the Final Shape. First Oryx then Rhulk, we showed that Light and Darkness together can do the impossible and kill the unkillable. Could be why the Witness says the Traveler's Pale Heart is the key.
Suppose so. It’s quite possible that what happened is that perhaps Nezarec’s betrayal of the Witness was attacking the Traveler. Maybe the Witness has always known the power of the Traveler and has been seeking it ever since Witness came into knowledge of its existence. Nezarec attacked the Traveler in a betrayal of the Witness and just because, well, he thrives off of pain. The Traveler knocks Nezarec back to the moon, killing him in the process. I suppose after Witness heard of the attack, Witness went to see if Traveler was still there, and Savathun pulled an illusion, either by showing the Traveler dead/destroyed or by not being there, leading the Witness away from Earth and back on a pursuit for the Traveler, which was actually back on Earth the entire time. Then the Red War occurs, the Witness finds out Traveler is alive, and the now ginormous Black Fleet makes their way back to where it was last seen.
That’s my interpretation of this so far.
I love how the parallels of bomb and sword logic are represented in-game. When Guardians triumph over harder foes, they become more powerful, as seen in the power level. But when Guardians work together, such as in a raid, they accomplish things that simply could never been done, even when they aren't the most powerful thing there (as in contest mode).
There's a lore tab where Rhulk tries to take the light and the traveler talks to him and seems to hurt him. I think there's a really interesting parallel there, Bungie is trying to say you can't take the light by force, like with Ghaul, and this is why Savathun's approach worked. She doesn't demand anything. So when we free the light in the raid we are basically enacting the traveller's will in un- taking it's power, we sort of draw on the same power that clapped Ghaul in end of red war and Rhulk in that lore tab.
Two things to note on this:
1: The observation that we enact our own logic to counter Oryx's own Sword logic Doxology is actually referenced in Rhulk's rants at us during his own raid. I don't remember the exact phrase, but he does touch on how we were given the opportunity, the gift, and instead we subverted it. This may, in fact, be the point that he is referencing.
2: On the point that the Witness may find Guardians worthy of being Disciples, the very existence of Guardians(or us, the players) necessitates the existence of some exceptional guardians who are both worthy and willing to fully embrace the Witness and the Darkness. However, just as we the players necessitate that inevitability, it also means the opposite; that the need for one to exist results in the pinnacle of Lightbearing Guardians as well. And if both exist, then it stands to reason that those that walk both paths will exist.
I think that could end up tying in with where Destiny goes in years to come. It'll be interesting to see where Bungie takes it, as they have made choices that are incredibly simple compared to fan theories and predictions, yet are able to connect things that Seem simple together, magnifying the complexity.
This is probably nowhere near a new idea, but I think this fight is why the Darkness/Witness started talking to us. Toland said that the blighted light used to fight Oryx was "barely light anymore". That proves that a guardian's power is not just light, that we are not just minions of the Traveler like all the others that the hive consumed. We are something new. Something worth investigating.
10:50 Lol, damage numbers ticking on Oryx still getting roasted by Witherhorde as he floats away 😂
Slaying Oryx was a dream of mine for 7 years and I was close in D1. On 8/31/22, I finally achieved it w a crew that I'm grateful for!
congratulations!
Congrats, and kinda same
I love how this boss is a refutation of an axiomatic argument on a metaphysical level
and also just screaming as you mag dump into the big scary alien
Gosh, if the story writing nowadays was applied back then, this fight and victory against Oryx would be backed with much more significance of the lore put in game.
Even still, this victory against Oryx as it is in game still left an impact throughout D2. Still one of my favorite boss battles in Destiny.
Witch Queen is pretty much Savathun’s answer to her brother’s death and led to questioning of millions of years of dominance of the Light by the Dark. And undoubtedly it made the Witness take us seriously. The ripples of Oryx’s death are still being felt.
Oryx couldnt afford Rise of Iron
He played on xbox so he couldn't get the cool PS4 exclusive armour :(
Considering Toland was super pissed that we didn't take up the mantle of Taken King, and also that we have the Tablets of Ruin just sitting in a fucking box somewhere now, I really hope we get a Taken themed darkness subclass, because the effects just look so god damn cool.
Do we even have the tablets of ruin? I though we just sorta left them on oryxs corpse in the rings of saturn.
@@Santisima_Trinidad We picked one up during the Witch Queen mission that takes us to the Lightblade strike, and then there should be another one on/in Golgoroth if I remember right.
Hey byf have you ever considered making a lore video about The Guardian? Yknow us? That would be cool talking about how this “new” guardian has risen to become the best and surpassing old legendary guardians pretty fast after being revived
So Bungie does a thing in their previous games where the protagonist is not so much a regular human being but rather an embodiment of the concept of "the hero of myth". Essentially, in Bungie's worlds, whenever the existence of mankind is threatened with extinction, a demigod-like hero will rise to defeat the threat (almost always aliens, or god-aliens), before falling back asleep until he's needed again. We already know that Destiny's universe has deep ties to Marathon's universe, which is where this concept is made very explicit: the protagonist literally becomes the last living thing in the universe (the final shape, some might say?) and has a quote that pretty neatly sums up the whole thing.
"I have been Roland, Beowulf, Achilles, Gilgamesh. I have been called a hundred names and will be called a thousand more before the world goes dim and cold. I am a hero."
We are the most powerful Guardian to exist because that's what we need to be to protect humanity.
I’ll just remind everyone that the Light and Dark ideologies (bomb and sword logic respectively) are reflected in the vessels of their existence.
The Traveler is rounded out, in shape of a circular, almost stereotypical, bomb. From its midpoint, all it envelops inside itself is equally near and far away. It reaches out towards all.
The Pyramids are shaped as such because the Sword logic runs off of tribute. The one at top, the Witness, recruits ones who tribute to its cause, which increases as the “base” grows larger and larger in scale. The tribute is sent upwards towards it, increasing the power of the “tip” and thus acts like a pyramid scheme.
Looks can be deceiving, but they’re revealing as well.
I think the concept of the Guardians studying the Sword Logic in order to execute this seamless plan to kill Oryx is just so cool and should have been emphasized way more in game to drive home the importance of what we were doing
Byf I too suck at PvP. And honestly wouldn't play this game without you making this story line come to life. Ty
We know the goal or purpose of the witness is to prune the universe of life to make room for the strong and more fruitful species. I believe that this moment here where we defeated oryx is the moment the witness looks upon and says the gardener is no longer playing a fair game. This is the first definitive moment where we can say that bomb logic soundly defeated sword logic.
I missed Crota too much, and gave up on life.
I wondered, thanks for telling us finally
Crota design was hard
Hey Byf! Full honesty here, most of your videos I have trouble following. This one on the other hand was very easy for my peanut brain to follow. Great vid!
Ahh this brings me back to 2016, I use to play D1 heavy but when D2 came out and playing here and there over the years the flame was gone for me but I’ll always remember when D1 came out the beta and playing almost everyday after school going to the Destiny companion app looking for people to do raids with and spending hrs trying to do the raid lol remember gallahorn was a must have for like everything and the vex mytholast was op in the beginning and can’t forget Peter Dinklage as the ghost, good times with d1
I'll never forget running KF for the first time and wiping damn near 50 times on the ships. Everybody had a good laugh off that. Bones got me to the other side tho.
oryx isnt dead
he is a universal aspect like his sisters
war and slaughter
knowledge and exploration
cunning and trickery
they could bring each other back via these aspects and weve been using stuff made from oryx and his entire tribute chain and seeking and learning ways to deal w the witness
we are going to be responsible for his return
Oryx’s defeat is still our greatest achievement
The only achievement of ours that will trump Oryx's death is the defeat of the Witness
I would say Rhulk's defeat is now our greatest achievement, but defeating Oryx certainly set a precedent.
@@SanguineDoe nah man oryx is more powerful than rhulk
@@psythen4562 Um.
No. not even remotely. Rhulk was a direct desciple of the Witness.
Oryx was merely a pawn.
I mean Rhulk destroyed the Leviathan of Fundament in an instant.
And we can see from the rib he kept in his Pyramid how big that thing must have been.
Also the fact that all the power the hive collected was tithed up to Xita, the Worm Mother in Rhulk's pyramid.
Rhulk was above what even Oryx considered a God.
@@psythen4562 yeah oryx as much as we love him was a child compared to rhulk
The lore of the raid is what makes me love it
"Hmm. Imagine not being unbroken."
-Zavala, probably
You need to see professor broman and teawrex when they did D1 kings fall worlds first. Teawrex's reaction to first seeing oryx sums up this masterpiece fight. Love you byf, massive fan of your work.
Loved this video, thank you so much byf.
Remember that, in the Altar of Reflection, Savathuun asks us why the humans are able to wield both light and dark, but every other species can only wield one. The Witness has to know the answer to this, and that answer is going to be really important in finishing the Saga.
The traveller has to give its power of the light but the darkness just exists. It doesn’t need to be given to be gained. So the answer doesn’t reside with The Witness, it resides with the Traveller and why it let civilization after civilization die instead of letting them rise.
byf always has the first spot in videos im watching while eating
Me personally now seeing what the travel can bestow light to bearer’s who were once servants to darkness and vice versa how guardians chosen by light can use darkness, I think both the traveler and the witness know there’s something bigger than even themselves it’s not just one side or other anymore
Never stop Byf
8:05 caught me off guard there-
Great subject, great explanation, great video. Keep up the good work!
Doxology! Nice to see someone make note of that.
Never get sick of Byf videos, just fantastic every time!
pretty neat how King's Fall is still the point where gameplay and narrative are most perfectly aligned
But really, when you think about it, we still killed Oryx, and as such we proved our power. We used a more complicated method, yes, but we still exercised the Sword Logic by proving our power over him. No matter what power we wield, as long as we slaughter, we prove the Deep right. Principle, Power, and moral alignment are anything but synonymous. Our Light has been used to destroy more than create, and through destruction, we unknowingly invoked the very same doxology that Oryx drew upon. We called out to the Witness without even knowing it. On Europa, all those years later, we were answered.
I always find myself taking a break from Destiny lore and then coming back to like a crack attic which in turn makes me go back to the game
I've never clicked on a video so fast
I feel like the Witness may have observed the battle with Oryx. The mini obelisks in the court (the blue ones that kinda look like lights) are pyramid shaped. It's a bit of a stretch, but I could see someone on their writing team sneaking that in for later or something
More than anything this just shows how closely the lore and raid design team have to work together to make mechanics and lore line up. I’m very curious which comes first in development or if it’s simultaneous.
It is indeed still doxology in D2 :)
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I think the Witness is keeping tabs on us, because like the Traveler, we keep changing the rules. Every gun, every kill, every victory changes the rules that the Witness plays by. He plays by the rules by giving other races their own version of our powers, and yet we alter or in a severe case, break the rules and make them our own. I don't think the Witness is concerned with the Traveler anymore so much as he is with us. There's a reason he spoke directly to us, especially after we proved ourselves strong enough. And I think he's scared we're gonna be more powerful than him.
A pawn that can take the king.
I imagine the Witness, in his hubris, doesn't take the guardians as much of a threat.
Enjoy your time off Byf!!
0:18 they gave oryx no upper back 🫤
For drama and tension, the D1 version of the Oryx fight is superior!
I'm still not convinced that Oryx's health bar ever actually hit zero...
See now just imagine how powerful we could have been IF we took his powers for our own and became the Taken King, The Guardian
It’s funny, knowing as much as we do now, how insignificant Toland is, especially as a wayward echo in the Ascendent Plane. He was arrogant enough to believe he could parlay with a deadly Hive Wizard, only for her to sue the Deathsong to sever his soul and rend his Light. His constantly patrronizes Guardians stronger than him, and Mara. Toland is victim of his own hubris. His arrogance and lack of faith in the Light, in humanity. Maybe he wished to be a servant of the Hive? Or to gain power from the Witness? Whatever the case, he ironically, only believes himself to be much stronger than he really is. Like Clovis, if one of the Hive or one of the Witness’ Disciples, confronted him, he’d be dead. He thought himself above the eternal war of light and dark, thought he was a important player, but he wasn’t worthy or selfless enough to even be a pawn. He may have gotten what he deserved for his arrogance.
Guardians make their own fate.
I love the idea of Bomb Logic. Don’t you?
I think us defeating oryx is part of why the witness called us to europa and showed us stasis. We defeated one of his strongest soldiers so he thought we were worthy(?) i dont know im kinda slow in beyond light lore. Open to correction
Wtf this sponsor actually looks kinda dope. Easier than asking my cat to get the camera
I want to know why the Skrank Gang is important.
I find it funny how oryx realizes the only way to truly beat guardians is to try and dox them lol. (Get it? DOXology lol)
I feel like in a sense our Guardian has proven that the logic/ideologies of both The Hive and the Guardians were incomplete - we are paracasual in nature, we will things to be and they are. Yes we are empowered by The Traveller and use the Light to impose our will upon the universe, yet we've proven we can force corrupted Light to bend to our will and even that we can impose our will on the Dark.
CHEERS 🍻
It's pronounced Mech-awb I believe
Finally someone that says it right
Bruh not bré for Mechabre
awsome
So is Oryx a certified Doxologist?
Yay!!!
I want oryx to come back as a hive guardian
Daddy Oryx 😎
I Didn't know oryx subscribed to terryology
He’s reading wormfood again. More paths to be eaten I guess.
Cool
Actually its called "doxology" because of the motion of the hands. Clapping of the hands has religious use in many religions and cults generally having the meaning of "giving praise", your overthinking it here as its just one of the cases of bungie wanting a fancy term for a certain attack.
Thing is D1s had no connection to the witness because he was retconned in during D2, the darkness was intended to be an enemy in D2 but due to writer changes the whole concept of darkness as this mystical vague but immensely powerful opposing force was watered down, overexplained and demystified via the "witness did it" explanation in part so they didn't have to end destiny universe with its defeat.
BEDTIME STORYTIME
Another nutshell Oryx simped too hard for the darkness that killing him we showed the Hive there’s no need to simp one way between light and dark.
*winnower
bomb logic go brr
Oryx claps back
how did you miss the obvious “macabre” pun lmao
What killed him? LFRs.
Man says "I am terrible at PvP in just about every single possible imaginable way".
*looks up Byf's stats*
*K/D in the top 10% with positive K/D for every game mode except one.. and he has a 0.99 in that.*
Welp, that's just proven to me that I am apparently somewhere below trash and radioactive waste water on the scale of things. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Outplayed DOESN'T WORK like that with d2. None of the highlight autocapture works in d2
W....what the actual fuck? I quit destiny 2 a long while ago...is this what it's really devolved too?! Doing raids from DESTINY ONE?!
"You guys are good at PvP"
Im not. I right there with you on generally being bad at PvP.
Im a support player and no one thanks the support.
byfs 12k away from 1 mil
I can't tell if I like this microphone more or less. I'm leaning towards less, it makes you sound slightly less sensual.
So much salivary noise in the audio here, really hard to listen to
No views club! Hype
notif gang
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I thought of all people you’d u der stand how it’s pronounced it’s pronounced MUH-COBB