SV650 GSXR Rear Wheel Swap Details

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  • @alvaroedwards8036
    @alvaroedwards8036 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey that's pretty awesome,i did the gsx front fork swap on my 07 SV650 a while back,and wanted to do the rear wheel,this was helpful thanks.....

  • @jostnyc
    @jostnyc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video Drew! I'm actually looking to do this to my SV. Thanks for all the info. I have an 05 SV didn't think I was going to find any info on this. I love the bike and I bought it brand new and always had tire envy lol. I need a new tire so this is a great time to swap. I will be following your tips to change pads and other stuff while the wheel is off. That fork swap looks great as well. Not looking to improve anything just want to tinker and get killer looks. Your bike looks great.

    • @drew657
      @drew657  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks dude! I've been liking the better feel and adjustability on the front end with the GSXR forks. On the stock SV forks you can only adjust spring preload, and on the GSXR setup you can adjust compression and rebound damping as well. But yeah, it looks freaking beefy too!

  • @thaitram7616
    @thaitram7616 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice video - easy to understand- thank you

  • @DB-so8zc
    @DB-so8zc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very cool rear conversion. 180 looks really good. Fits the style of the bike you're building.
    I know the Gen 3 is a different animal but I'm wondering if the same conversion could be done. Factory chain is a 520 pitch and the factory rear wheel is 4 1/2 " wide. Rear suspension has been upgraded to a K-Tech Razor shock and the front forks have the small drop in cartridge from Cogent Dynamics with heavier fork oil to control rebound and I also added preload adjuster caps. Guess I'll reach out to TFW racing to see if it would be worth it on my bike.
    Keep up the great work. The bike is awesome!

    • @drew657
      @drew657  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the kind words! Sounds like you've made the excellent decision to upgrade the suspension first! I'm not sure about a rear wheel swap on a 3rd gen. I thought they were very similar bikes to the 2nd gen, so it may be simple to do and just use a 520 chain kit rather than the 525 that's stock for 2nd gen. Get ahold of Zoran over at TWF and see what he thinks, he's done all kinds of things for all kinds of bikes so he may. be able to help.

  • @drew657
    @drew657  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You can put a GSXR rear wheel on your SV650. The biggest reason to do this is that it's a wider wheel and thus you can put a 180 section rear tire (stock for GSXR) rather than the SV stock 160. Some people will say you can just put a 180 tire on the stock SV rim. Don't do this. It will physically fit on there, but the tire will be pinched narrower than it was designed for, which will make it have a weird tall tire profile that will negatively affect your handling and actually give you a smaller contact patch than the stock 160. And it won't look any wider because it'll form to the stock SV rear wheel, which is narrower than the GSXR unit.
    Pros:
    - 180 is standard super-sport rear tire size, so all the best tires come in a 180, while they don't all come in 160, so you get better tire selection (better compounds mostly)
    - Wider tire = larger contact patch=better grip, especially at lean
    - Wheel is aluminum instead of steel, so even with the larger wheel and tire it weighs less. Less unsprung (and rotating) mass makes for better handling
    - I think a 180 looks much better on the back of a sport bike instead of the 10-speed bicycle-looking skinny 160 that comes stock on the SV. Looks mean as hell.
    Cons:
    - Cost: I spent about $320 on just the wheel, tire, sprocket, and machining. I was lucky and found a wheel with good bearings and a sprocket carrier for $150 on craigslist, but finding a good GSXR rear wheel that's not thrashed is usually expensive, especially if you have to ship it. Doesn't always come with the sprocket carrier, so you'll likely need to buy that separately, as well as a new sprocket and chain. I had already bought a new chain because the one my bike came with was trash (spend the money on a good one so it doesn't break at speed, I think mine was $170-ish), and I had to find a rear sprocket that was the right size to fit. I bought a new SV rear brake bracket so I could still ride while I had everything out for machining, I found one for like $10 shipped on either ebay or mad8v, I can't remember. I'll include the link below, but you'll need to ship the GSXR sprocket carrier and your stock SV rear break bracket to a guy to have them machined, and he'll include new wheel spacers with instructions for installation. Machining is $150 plus shipping. I think it cost me over $500 all in to get the swap done.
    - Complication: Like I just said, you'll need to figure out what parts you'll need and piece them together. It took me a couple of months to gather everything once I picked up the wheel. I took that time to clean the parts really well so they'd be like-new, and that gave me an opportunity to inspect everything for damage and to make sure it would work. Then you'll have to figure out what to do with the leftover parts. I tried to sell them, but ended up just giving them away to get them out of my hair. No one wanted them, and I can't imagine they'll be easy to sell in Wichita. Also, I found that the bracket that holds the rear brake hose to the swingarm had a sharp edge that was cutting into the wider tire. I took it off and replaced it with a zip tie.
    - Time: If you are lucky and can find everything quickly, you'll need to ship the sprocket carrier and brake bracket to the guy who figured this all out for him to machine the parts so they'll fit. He had a pretty quick turnaround for me, he only had the parts for like 2 days, so it was like 9 days from when I shipped it to when I got it back. But it took me a couple of months to gather all the parts.
    - Handling: Having a wider back tire makes the steering heavier. Because there's a wider tire section, you'll have to push harder on the bars to get the bike to lean over, and the bike has to lean farther to make the same turning radius because, well, physics. Honestly, you probably won't notice a big difference (I never rode it with the 160 tire so I can't compare), and after a couple of rides you'll probably get used to it anyway. Also, the 180 tire is just a little bit shorter, which will tilt your bike back slightly and make the rake angle a little shallower, again making steering slower and take more effort.
    You'll need:
    - 06-09 GSXR 600 or 750 rear wheel (they're the same). 08-09 wheel is supposed to be a bit lighter (can't confirm). I got an 07 GSXR750 rear wheel on craigslist that came with a sprocket carrier, sprocket (that was the wrong size), rear brake disc (same size as SV so you can still use it), a tire, and good bearings. I've used the tire this season, but I'll be replacing it in the spring. You may end up with a wheel that either doesn't have bearings, or has bearings that are thrashed and you may have to buy a set of 3 wheel bearings too (one for each side of the wheel and one for the sprocket carrier - linked below). Might have to buy a rear brake disc and bolts too, depending on what you can find.
    - 06-09 600/750 rear sprocket carrier if your wheel doesn't come with it (and maybe the rubber cush drive if it doesn't come with). Easiest way is to find a GSXR part out bike and buy both the wheel and carrier/cush drive all together. If you're lucky it'll come with a usable tire.
    - New chain (link below). Chain size is 525 (I can't remember how many links. A standard chain will come too long and you cut it to length with a chain tool). You will need to buy a chain tool (should do this anyway if you're going to ride, a chain is a consumable and will eventually need to be replaced). You'll need to buy a master link, too. Get a rivet-type, they're the same price and more reliable when installed correctly.
    - New rear sprocket. I found a 45 tooth rear sprocket from an '07 GSXR750 that had a 525 chain size. I put it on backward (it has a dished side that normally faces out toward the swingarm, I put it facing the wheel to bring the chain line inboard slightly more, otherwise it won't ever line up with the front sprocket. Read all the way through that forum I linked below. Read it a couple of times and it'll start to make some sense, I had to read it all the way through a few times to be able to pick out all the info I needed.)
    - Machining. Like I said before, the GSXR sprocket carrier and SV brake bracket will need to be machined by Zoran the TWF Racing guy to make everything fit. When/if you're ready to get the work done, email him at the email on the second link and he'll give you the info on what to send, when to send it, and where to send it. He'll take off the appropriate amounts of material to get everything lined up correctly, and send it back with the correct wheel spacers to use the stock SV rear axle (which is smaller diameter than the GSXR one).
    Links:
    Ari Henning: What's with Tire Width? th-cam.com/video/_hPTiYh4fic/w-d-xo.html
    twfracing.com/vbforums/forum/technical-discussions-and-questions/suspension-and-chassis/311-06-and-newer-gsxr-600-750-wheel-on-sv?t=488
    twfracing.com/vbforums/forum/twf-racing-parts/twf-part-listings/1117-gsxr-5-5-rear-wheel-conversion-for-sv650
    www.mad8v.com/

    • @zackrides265
      @zackrides265 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      what is the advantage of having a wider tire? I have read that a wider tire will make the bike handle differently (not always in a good way).

    • @drew657
      @drew657  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you'd actually read this comment, you wouldn't have asked the question.

    • @zackrides265
      @zackrides265 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@drew657 my bad, i didn't expand it. thanks for that.

    • @austinmiranda8028
      @austinmiranda8028 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This man out here doing SV God's work lol. Thanks for taking the time to document and explain the steps of doing the front and rear gsxr swaps. I've owned an sv650 for 7 years and have considered doing the swaps. Main reasons for not is cost and complications like you mentioned. Enjoy the ride!

    • @slapdaddy3000
      @slapdaddy3000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great work and thanks for the video. Did you have to buy a new front sprocket as well

  • @chintylakhati3781
    @chintylakhati3781 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Drew. I really appreciate your two videos on this conversion that I watched. I recently upgraded from an 05 kawi ninja 250 to an 05 SV650s. I love this bike but i do notice that the handling is a compromise in comparison. I learned from research that it does have budget suspension and the gsxr swap is the way to go. I see that your conversion was rather extensive and I was hoping you can provide a bare minimum parts swap list for the front conversion. I'd like to keep the look of the bike as much as possible and minimize cost as well. I looking to improve the performance of the suspension. For the rear, i'd just swap out the shock as you advised. Thanks bro.

    • @drew657
      @drew657  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you found my video helpful. You'll need a whole front end from a GSXR 600 or 750: Triple trees, fork legs, wheel, axle, brakes (master cylinder, calipers, probably extended lines), and for the clip-ons you'll have to just find something that works since the GSXR bars are likely too low. Convertibars are popular, or you can go the route I did and get a top triple clamp with a bar riser. You'll also want to get new steering head bearings/grease as well. My most recent video gives a pretty good run down of my setup, talking about the parts and the cost of my conversion.

    • @drew657
      @drew657  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/Xr5IY9ObJbU/w-d-xo.html

  • @jimmycav369
    @jimmycav369 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nicely done. Both ends changed make the bike look a lot beefier. Watch out for clearance of you are looking to go bigger than a 180 rear, you could have contact

    • @drew657
      @drew657  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks man! And yes, 180 is the largest that will fit. It actually was rubbing the rear brake hose bracket and cutting into the tire, so I removed the bracket and it works great.

  • @ogrig
    @ogrig ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video! Did you ever figure out how to fix the rear brake dragging? I did the same gsxr rear wheel swap, and I'm having exactly the same problem.

    • @drew657
      @drew657  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Been a long time since I did this so I don't remember exactly what the issue was. It works now. I had an issue with aftermarket rear sets causing the pedal to stick but that was after this.

  • @d.e.aguirre129
    @d.e.aguirre129 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great piece of information mate, the forum is a great source but nothing like an informative video. Thanks a lot. Everything looks pretty straight forward to me, my only doubt is regarding the sprocket. I'm currently running stock 15t/45t on the SV, and the gsxr wheel I got for the conversion comes with a 45T sprocket. I should be able to use the same chain right? What's the deal with running the sprocket backwards? thanks in advance man, glad I found your videos.

    • @drew657
      @drew657  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Glad my ramblings can be of service to someone! Haha. So you turn the GSXR sprocket backward because it's dished slightly, and turning it backwards gives brings the chain line inboards a couple more mm, otherwise it'll be pulled slightly outward from midline and you'll never get the wheel aligned correctly with a straight chain line. I vaguely recall reading somewhere that you needed a slightly larger sprocket than GSXR stock because the wheel/tire is slightly smaller in diameter (less circumference), but the last time I looked I couldn't find that info again. You'll have to google the chain for the GSXR your wheel/sprocket came from to see if it's the same. I think all the wheels that fit this mod work with 525 stock (which is what the SV runs stock, so it works perfectly) but definitely double check. If you need to get a new sprocket on either the front or the back, and you need a new chain, it may be worth upgrading to a 520 chain/sprocket set (smaller = less rotating mass = more horsepower to the wheel, supposedly).

    • @d.e.aguirre129
      @d.e.aguirre129 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@drew657 Thanks for replying. The stock rear sprocket on the gsxr is 43T which is smaller than the stock SV. Maybe that's what you read? I'll do more research, but I'm guessing matching the sprocket size in the rear won't require a change length. Thanks again man.

  • @Johnnyreengo
    @Johnnyreengo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    did the gsxr fork swap change the geometry of your bike?

    • @drew657
      @drew657  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't have any exact numbers on hand, but IIRC, it *might* make it a little bit steeper/sportier (fork is shorter, maybe different triple offsets), but I'm not a good enough rider to notice any significant difference and I doubt if anyone doing this instead of just buying a sportier bike will notice either. The suspension adjustability does make it feel more planted though.

  • @youngchristy9481
    @youngchristy9481 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Back sprocket seen better days

  • @kremenation4610
    @kremenation4610 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you put a Gxsr 1000 wheel on a Gxsr 750

    • @drew657
      @drew657  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've got no idea, I only know about this swap for SV's. Based on what I've looked at for this, I'd be willing to bet you can't without some new spacers. A GSXR forum would be a good place to ask this question.
      lmgtfy.com/?q=gsxr+1000+wheel+on+gsxr+750

  • @МихаилТолстиков-х9в
    @МихаилТолстиков-х9в 3 ปีที่แล้ว

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