@@MzamoAdoons-d6n exactly 💯 And we have to start somewhere, this notion that the Ruperts & the Oppenheimers captured the state is shallow, Zondo Commission came as a result of a complaint by Mr.Jonas to the Public Protector at the time, and those who have the evidence must do the same We can't compete in stealing The Ruperts stole, then that justify the Zumas to steal, then the Ramadollars follows etc.when is it going to stop?
@@Qotha of course he can't be everywhere like the air,but when people you considers as your friends lended their private jet at a national key point like Waterkloof Airbase and were seen on television 📺 as the sitting President atleast say something in condemnation of that disrespectful act of those friends, is that asking too much?
As much as Dube and them hate Zuma, he will always be loved by those who are against the establishment! The narrative of Guptas will be sung by the puppets of the whites to discredit Msholozi! Adv Muzi Sikhakhane speaks his mind, without fear, or favor! Nahlulwa amabhunu abulala abantu bakithi nimemezana noMsholozi mihla namalanga malulwana ndini. I salute you adv you're a great lawyer uyindoda engakhothameli amanye amadoda! You're a fierce and independent thinker, awuyena uyebo mlungu! That commission was just a wogwash in an attempt to lynch JZ kodwa bahlulekile amabulukwe amavaka agcwele! umoya. Phambili Adv Muzi Sikhakhane awubasabi awulona ivaka! Uyiqhawe lamaqhawe! I'm going to buy your book and liberate my mind from being poisoned by the haters of Nxamalala 😂
Im thankful for the emergence of platforms such as this where we get to hear the narrative of those who are painted as "bad or evil" by traditional media. 4:57
This State Capture issue can be likened to that of Donald Trump. Well even though Mhlanganyelwa hasn't been yet proven guilty it's a pity that they are some chickens 🐥🐥🐣 going around on social media saying Zuma captured the State.
It would be great if there was a second channel that published 5-20 minute clips, in the style of many other long-form podcast/interview style content on TH-cam
Hi Sizwe, I have not read Adv Sikhakhane's book! However I watched live Zuma's appearances at the Zondo Commission as well as watching the other sittings daily! I also from a layman's perspective, follow current affairs & geopolitics! Before Adv Sikhakhane left the proceedings, he actually threatened; live in court directly to Judge Zondo's face, to take his client and leave the court! And he said he could do that!! And he then proceeded to do just that! Now he says he was misunderstood, he never did that, and he and his client were subject of agendas, media had a vendetta against him & his client!!?? Difficult to understand that! Sadly Sizwe I don't know if you read up on that period but in this clip I do see you offer any push back on his versions of explanations, which seem general in nature rather specific! Almost as if you're giving the man a right of reply rather than an interview to questions and answers & hold him accountable as is normal!! Blanket statements of hidden agendas, misunderstandings, my client is not liked, biases, and .... are not real explanations!! They're just defence statements!!!
The reason you watched the commission was because you had interest in seeing the population narrative play out. I bet you are one of those who have been preaching that Zuma is guilty. If I was in Zuma’s position knowing well that I did things to slow the advancement of Glencore and other white businesses by entertaining other businessmen’s proposals and see that the judge is not impartial and is clearly biased. I would also walk away just like two other white men did in the same commission of enquiry. Why when it is me the person who media owned by the owner of Glencore bashes every day should I not do what others do in protest. Perhaps people should do research on how bankers and the monopoly and elites manipulate them into taking sides.
Advocate Muzi Sikhakhane is not honest.State capture was not Established to investigate how states are captured,rather it was Established to investigate the possibility of the state being captured by Gupta's,the state who was led by Jacob Zuma.
If the state was captured. Where is the evidence. The state is currently captured. It’s unfortunate that people still lack perspective and an open mind. People had already concluded guilt by mere allegations. People still fail to do research and see who really controls South Africa. The major companies. Whose toes the Guptas stepped on. The company that supplied Eskom before the Guptas and all these bits of information that contribute to the bigger picture and understanding. People are stupid in general
Cry my beloved Country....some have more than one passport.....yet holding us hostage and unfortunately we have no where else to go...because our ancestral roots are only hear in South Africa.....sad truth and reality of the pepertually oppressed South Africans ...
@MzamoAdoons-d6n stop the bigotry. That grade 2 is more intelligent and poitically astute than most 'educated' poiticians. He did much more for South Africans than any other president. Especially the ankole farmer
We know u are a weapon of Stellenbosch....Funded to dismantle anything that concerning Zuma ,U same as Malema been used by WMC is pouring money for you and some chickens to destabilize anything that is there to promote Blackness
Using the entrance door to exit is not an exit 😂 The Advocate thinks we are all stupid Leaving the Commission during lunch or dinner or tea break or even after a particular day session is still a walk out if you're expected to show up and never did In other words it doesn't matter the method used to kill a human being whether by poisoning, stabbing by a knife or shot at,the end results are the same.
@@obedmashegoane839 perhaps what you're missing is the fact that Advocate Sikhakhane notified the DCJ that they would be excusing themselves from the proceedings that day, he said those were his instructions.. The DCJ never made a ruling against that submission by counsel, then he comes back after tea break pretending there was no prior submission by counsel, and says "I'm told President Zuma has left", told by whom? because we all experienced Sikhakhane telling him
@sphamandlacleophelus8200 your explanation seek to suggest that 'you can come in and out as you wish,as long as you have said so' unfortunately there is no institution that respect itself operates like that,even where you work...Commissions operates like Courts of Law,hence sometimes people summoned against their Wills but eventually have got no choice but to present themselves kicking and screaming Unlless it's an animal farm situation,and the convicted criminal Zuma wanted to be treated special 'As they excused themselves that day' did they pitch up the following day?
@@obedmashegoane839addressing the last point, Adv. Sikhakhane was clear that the instruction was that they would excuse themselves and would not return until they've brought a review application in the High Court, seeking to review the decision of the DCJ on his recusal.. Deduce what you will from my submission, what remains is that Chairperson Zondo was told prior and he did not order otherwise, later acted surprised as if the former had not taken place, I find everything wrong with that conduct..
@sphamandlacleophelus8200 I want to thank you for your perspective and indulgence, pure without insults,that's how matured civilized debate should be, let's leave it there and thank you again 😊 We can just agree to disagree
Sizwe pls, ask Sikhakhane if in legal practice as a whole, is it w😊rong of a presiding officer t😊o recuse him/herself from the proceedings after listening to the facts in question.
SC-MS correctly describes the affection many have for JZ but the media also alienated that affection. There was a lot of legal criticism of the Pretoria High Court decision on public protector's state capture report in President of the RSA v Office of the Public Protector and the case of the NDPP which followed contradicting the earlier judgment. The Pretoria High Court is called the President's Court-Ramaphosa. SC had to act in terms of an incorrect order that the CJ appoint the Commission. The matter then became a flamboyant show, but Judge Zondo did a good job under the circumstances. SC should not explain. Once after representing a murderous group of soldiers, George Bizos said to our counsel and me-'no matter how reprehensible your clients' actions were, they are entitled to legal representation and you represented them well'. SC-MS also represents his clients well
Adv Sikhakhane is trying to rescue his reputation and rewrite history for his benefit. We all watched the commission very closely and I could see with my own eyes what the advocate did. Sorry Advocate but history will not remember you fondly.
Don't get me Sizwe but these short can sometimes makes someone not watch the whole episode, been busy had no time to watch the last two episodes but already I have an idea of what these last two were all about maybe you play these short clips after two obviously the followers by than would have watched the episodes
U talking crab that y our country is in a deep pity bcos of drunk mind as yoz how can the Zuma representative to win wen the whole system is against u ? Phala phala have never lost a case bcoz of the same system that is protecting him .....yo hate for zuma are the deep coz of our black ppl struggling more and more each day.
Imagine the Adv that misled Zuma to boycott the commission that Zuma himself established and appointed its chair praising Zuma. Zuma was wrongly advised
May all doze who keep telling us abt Zuma's 9 WAISTED YEARS n STATE CAPTURE, OPEN their eyes👀 n LISTEN with UNDERSTANDING.. May dey know who de REAL ""STATE CAPTURERS""" r ... 😢😢😢
Dr Welsh with due respect you are not challenging your guests instead you seem to agree with what ever they say so somehow you make your channel to be a platform for certain people(camp) to justify their actions ,Adv Sikhakhane mislead president Zuma
That's why I don't listen to Skhakhane. He's Zumas lawyer so nothing surprising with what he has to say about the commission. You mean to tell me the Guptas and the chaos that took place had nothing to do with Zuma?? Come on.
The Gupta's are NOWHERE near the Mlungu Monopoly Capital that practically runs this country. Rand manipulation costs the state multibillions and only one bank was fined. Even Zille has publicly stated that they just call up their capitalist friends when the government makes a decision that they think is wrong and the rand takes a dive. There are definitely muuuuuuuuuch bigger, powerful fish than the Gupta's.
I know there's still a lot of capturing going on with Ramaphosa on the helm. But I also know there's so many Zuma fans out there(e.g MK) who are so oblivious that Zuma, his son and the Guptas ran this country. Zuma loyalists would even kill you real death.
There’s been criminality in how all administrations deal with our country regardless, but what I don’t get is how people don’t see that the Zuma scandal is being used to distract from even greater crimes under this administration. These people are not your Fathers, so stop attaching your identities and credibilities to them. How is it that Zuma should go to jail for his collusion with the Guptas but Cyril gets to sit pretty with the Oppenheimers?!? Come the hell on. Look at how the corruption of our municipalities has worsened under Cyril cuz you all are on a one-man head hunt. They’re all destroying our country and people with PiratesvsChiefs logic are looking for a hero and a villain!!
He walked out. We were watching the saga, period, Zuma conjure didn't pass the legal kernel. And now he writes a book, we saw you, shame a book, to prove Zuma is not a convicted criminal
SMWX, your guest whines about any judicial officer who rules against him. He makes Zondo DCJ and ex-president Zuma-Lesiya zithandani aziyeki ukuxabana amandla
The channel is losing focus,too much pandering and trying to assist the narrative of the interviewee.You can challenge and question the narrative without being hostile but when you agree and seem to accept every narrative,then it becomes problematic like your channel has now because people say contradicting statements and they are not challenged so as viewers we start to feel your complicity in our misleading.
Dr Welsh with due respect you are not challenging your guests instead you seem to agree with what ever they say so somehow you make your channel to be a platform for certain people(camp) to justify their actions ,Adv Sikhakhane mislead president Zuma
Many people were cited in the commission yet there was only one SCAPEGOAT. This will catch-up with the sa justice system in the future
But there was only one president in the country during Zuma's reign.😂😂😂
@@MzamoAdoons-d6n exactly 💯
And we have to start somewhere, this notion that the Ruperts & the Oppenheimers captured the state is shallow, Zondo Commission came as a result of a complaint by Mr.Jonas to the Public Protector at the time, and those who have the evidence must do the same
We can't compete in stealing
The Ruperts stole, then that justify the Zumas to steal, then the Ramadollars follows etc.when is it going to stop?
@@MzamoAdoons-d6n and that president was not an all seeing God to see everyone and everywhere
@@QothaZuma simply disrespected us and his oath of office. They walkout of a hearing like a group of drunkards
@@Qotha of course he can't be everywhere like the air,but when people you considers as your friends lended their private jet at a national key point like Waterkloof Airbase and were seen on television 📺 as the sitting President atleast say something in condemnation of that disrespectful act of those friends, is that asking too much?
Advocate Muzi Skhakhane,,he can be a Chief Justice,,,,I respect him and Dr Mpofu Walsh🙏
Much respect for Skhakhane
Adv we will tell our children your journey straggling ✊💯
Zulu Fairytales
Zondo allowed himself to be used by Ramadollar because of his uncontrollable ambition to be CJ😮
Adv Skhakhane is always calm.
Zondo commission was created to destroyed Zuma and finished him
As much as Dube and them hate Zuma, he will always be loved by those who are against the establishment! The narrative of Guptas will be sung by the puppets of the whites to discredit Msholozi! Adv Muzi Sikhakhane speaks his mind, without fear, or favor! Nahlulwa amabhunu abulala abantu bakithi nimemezana noMsholozi mihla namalanga malulwana ndini. I salute you adv you're a great lawyer uyindoda engakhothameli amanye amadoda! You're a fierce and independent thinker, awuyena uyebo mlungu! That commission was just a wogwash in an attempt to lynch JZ kodwa bahlulekile amabulukwe amavaka agcwele! umoya. Phambili Adv Muzi Sikhakhane awubasabi awulona ivaka! Uyiqhawe lamaqhawe! I'm going to buy your book and liberate my mind from being poisoned by the haters of Nxamalala 😂
Thank you for the other side of the story
Create a book list(The books you have read), And a website so we can track your journey. Even post some articles on your website. Love your content.
Im thankful for the emergence of platforms such as this where we get to hear the narrative of those who are painted as "bad or evil" by traditional media. 4:57
This State Capture issue can be likened to that of Donald Trump.
Well even though Mhlanganyelwa hasn't been yet proven guilty it's a pity that they are some chickens 🐥🐥🐣 going around on social media saying Zuma captured the State.
Show me an alleged criminal who showed love for the policeman who arrested him.
Your irrelevant my bro
That man has never existed and will never exist 😂😂
@@WilliamMceraHe is 💯% relevant, that was not just tea time. They walked away broer😂😂😂
@@WilliamMcera why do you say I am irrelevant?
Why do you say I am irrelevant
It would be great if there was a second channel that published 5-20 minute clips, in the style of many other long-form podcast/interview style content on TH-cam
😮... a money 💰 🤑 💸 making scam 😒 because it was budgeted,making it legal.
Dr Welsh, any update on phala phala?
I will also lose faith in the legal system if I am participating in criminal activities.
Allegedly
Hi Sizwe, I have not read Adv Sikhakhane's book! However I watched live Zuma's appearances at the Zondo Commission as well as watching the other sittings daily! I also from a layman's perspective, follow current affairs & geopolitics! Before Adv Sikhakhane left the proceedings, he actually threatened; live in court directly to Judge Zondo's face, to take his client and leave the court! And he said he could do that!! And he then proceeded to do just that! Now he says he was misunderstood, he never did that, and he and his client were subject of agendas, media had a vendetta against him & his client!!?? Difficult to understand that! Sadly Sizwe I don't know if you read up on that period but in this clip I do see you offer any push back on his versions of explanations, which seem general in nature rather specific! Almost as if you're giving the man a right of reply rather than an interview to questions and answers & hold him accountable as is normal!! Blanket statements of hidden agendas, misunderstandings, my client is not liked, biases, and .... are not real explanations!! They're just defence statements!!!
Another comment of agenda of Stellenbosch....Sellout minds
The reason you watched the commission was because you had interest in seeing the population narrative play out. I bet you are one of those who have been preaching that Zuma is guilty. If I was in Zuma’s position knowing well that I did things to slow the advancement of Glencore and other white businesses by entertaining other businessmen’s proposals and see that the judge is not impartial and is clearly biased. I would also walk away just like two other white men did in the same commission of enquiry. Why when it is me the person who media owned by the owner of Glencore bashes every day should I not do what others do in protest. Perhaps people should do research on how bankers and the monopoly and elites manipulate them into taking sides.
I’ll give you one example. Research on the Rothschild and how they own and manipulate media
Advocate Muzi Sikhakhane is not honest.State capture was not Established to investigate how states are captured,rather it was Established to investigate the possibility of the state being captured by Gupta's,the state who was led by Jacob Zuma.
If the state was captured. Where is the evidence. The state is currently captured. It’s unfortunate that people still lack perspective and an open mind. People had already concluded guilt by mere allegations. People still fail to do research and see who really controls South Africa. The major companies. Whose toes the Guptas stepped on. The company that supplied Eskom before the Guptas and all these bits of information that contribute to the bigger picture and understanding. People are stupid in general
Cry my beloved Country....some have more than one passport.....yet holding us hostage and unfortunately we have no where else to go...because our ancestral roots are only hear in South Africa.....sad truth and reality of the pepertually oppressed South Africans ...
Matured SC
The biggest scam we had was a grade two dropout camflouging as a president
@MzamoAdoons-d6n stop the bigotry. That grade 2 is more intelligent and poitically astute than most 'educated' poiticians. He did much more for South Africans than any other president. Especially the ankole farmer
We know u are a weapon of Stellenbosch....Funded to dismantle anything that concerning Zuma ,U same as Malema been used by WMC is pouring money for you and some chickens to destabilize anything that is there to promote Blackness
🙂↔️ you deserve no engagement
Using the entrance door to exit is not an exit 😂
The Advocate thinks we are all stupid
Leaving the Commission during lunch or dinner or tea break or even after a particular day session is still a walk out if you're expected to show up and never did
In other words it doesn't matter the method used to kill a human being whether by poisoning, stabbing by a knife or shot at,the end results are the same.
@@obedmashegoane839 perhaps what you're missing is the fact that Advocate Sikhakhane notified the DCJ that they would be excusing themselves from the proceedings that day, he said those were his instructions.. The DCJ never made a ruling against that submission by counsel, then he comes back after tea break pretending there was no prior submission by counsel, and says "I'm told President Zuma has left", told by whom? because we all experienced Sikhakhane telling him
@sphamandlacleophelus8200 your explanation seek to suggest that 'you can come in and out as you wish,as long as you have said so' unfortunately there is no institution that respect itself operates like that,even where you work...Commissions operates like Courts of Law,hence sometimes people summoned against their Wills but eventually have got no choice but to present themselves kicking and screaming
Unlless it's an animal farm situation,and the convicted criminal Zuma wanted to be treated special
'As they excused themselves that day' did they pitch up the following day?
@@obedmashegoane839addressing the last point, Adv. Sikhakhane was clear that the instruction was that they would excuse themselves and would not return until they've brought a review application in the High Court, seeking to review the decision of the DCJ on his recusal..
Deduce what you will from my submission, what remains is that Chairperson Zondo was told prior and he did not order otherwise, later acted surprised as if the former had not taken place, I find everything wrong with that conduct..
@sphamandlacleophelus8200 I want to thank you for your perspective and indulgence, pure without insults,that's how matured civilized debate should be, let's leave it there and thank you again 😊
We can just agree to disagree
Sizwe pls, ask Sikhakhane if in legal practice as a whole, is it w😊rong of a presiding officer t😊o recuse him/herself from the proceedings after listening to the facts in question.
SC-MS correctly describes the affection many have for JZ but the media also alienated that affection. There was a lot of legal criticism of the Pretoria High Court decision on public protector's state capture report in President of the RSA v Office of the Public Protector and the case of the NDPP which followed contradicting the earlier judgment. The Pretoria High Court is called the President's Court-Ramaphosa. SC had to act in terms of an incorrect order that the CJ appoint the Commission. The matter then became a flamboyant show, but Judge Zondo did a good job under the circumstances. SC should not explain. Once after representing a murderous group of soldiers, George Bizos said to our counsel and me-'no matter how reprehensible your clients' actions were, they are entitled to legal representation and you represented them well'. SC-MS also represents his clients well
Adv Sikhakhane is trying to rescue his reputation and rewrite history for his benefit. We all watched the commission very closely and I could see with my own eyes what the advocate did. Sorry Advocate but history will not remember you fondly.
Oh ma'am spare us this lawyer speak about Zuma walkout
Is thias like an SNWX clips version?
Don't get me Sizwe but these short can sometimes makes someone not watch the whole episode, been busy had no time to watch the last two episodes but already I have an idea of what these last two were all about maybe you play these short clips after two obviously the followers by than would have watched the episodes
Zondo commission helped the formation of MK and waste of tax payers money.
Zondo Commission is Kinda Garden. Straight up
Nonsense, Zuma damaged RSA
You can talk talk, but at the end of the day, Zuma's legal team failed dismally to prove his innocence.
U talking crab that y our country is in a deep pity bcos of drunk mind as yoz how can the Zuma representative to win wen the whole system is against u ? Phala phala have never lost a case bcoz of the same system that is protecting him .....yo hate for zuma are the deep coz of our black ppl struggling more and more each day.
@philani gumefe 1375,Gumede kaNdaba!
Really???
Imagine the Adv that misled Zuma to boycott the commission that Zuma himself established and appointed its chair praising Zuma. Zuma was wrongly advised
@@bongimbewu8657 Zuma did no establish the commission. Get your facts right... He was denied that presidential right to establish a commission.
How, Ramaphosa hated and still hates President Zuma
May all doze who keep telling us abt Zuma's 9 WAISTED YEARS n STATE CAPTURE, OPEN their eyes👀 n LISTEN with UNDERSTANDING.. May dey know who de REAL ""STATE CAPTURERS""" r ... 😢😢😢
Adv Skhakhane and Adv Mpofu are just disrespeçtful. They must first learn to improve on their ethics.
I don't take them serious including this doctor that is interviewing him.
Yes people with good ethics never challenge the system .They do as the master says
Yeah, he said it categorically that they are were going to excuse themselves.
Just another Zuma acolyte!!! RET FACTION!!!!
Dr Welsh with due respect you are not challenging your guests instead you seem to agree with what ever they say so somehow you make your channel to be a platform for certain people(camp) to justify their actions ,Adv Sikhakhane mislead president Zuma
That's why I don't listen to Skhakhane. He's Zumas lawyer so nothing surprising with what he has to say about the commission. You mean to tell me the Guptas and the chaos that took place had nothing to do with Zuma?? Come on.
@@MandoMoyikwa nizophaphama seku late
The Gupta's are NOWHERE near the Mlungu Monopoly Capital that practically runs this country.
Rand manipulation costs the state multibillions and only one bank was fined.
Even Zille has publicly stated that they just call up their capitalist friends when the government makes a decision that they think is wrong and the rand takes a dive.
There are definitely muuuuuuuuuch bigger, powerful fish than the Gupta's.
You will catch up.. even though you a bit slow 🐌 on this one
I know there's still a lot of capturing going on with Ramaphosa on the helm. But I also know there's so many Zuma fans out there(e.g MK) who are so oblivious that Zuma, his son and the Guptas ran this country. Zuma loyalists would even kill you real death.
There’s been criminality in how all administrations deal with our country regardless, but what I don’t get is how people don’t see that the Zuma scandal is being used to distract from even greater crimes under this administration. These people are not your Fathers, so stop attaching your identities and credibilities to them. How is it that Zuma should go to jail for his collusion with the Guptas but Cyril gets to sit pretty with the Oppenheimers?!? Come the hell on. Look at how the corruption of our municipalities has worsened under Cyril cuz you all are on a one-man head hunt. They’re all destroying our country and people with PiratesvsChiefs logic are looking for a hero and a villain!!
Yah heh
He walked out. We were watching the saga, period, Zuma conjure didn't pass the legal kernel. And now he writes a book, we saw you, shame a book, to prove Zuma is not a convicted criminal
SMWX, your guest whines about any judicial officer who rules against him. He makes Zondo DCJ and ex-president Zuma-Lesiya zithandani aziyeki ukuxabana amandla
Zuma polite,?
Mkp podcast,
The channel is losing focus,too much pandering and trying to assist the narrative of the interviewee.You can challenge and question the narrative without being hostile but when you agree and seem to accept every narrative,then it becomes problematic like your channel has now because people say contradicting statements and they are not challenged so as viewers we start to feel your complicity in our misleading.
Dr Welsh with due respect you are not challenging your guests instead you seem to agree with what ever they say so somehow you make your channel to be a platform for certain people(camp) to justify their actions ,Adv Sikhakhane mislead president Zuma