Why the Bucks offense is so good | Enhanced podcast
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- Giannis Antetokounmpo and the Milwaukee Bucks again have one of the best offenses in the NBA, but this year it's been a slightly different approach from Coach Mike Budenholzer. In this segment from the Thinking Basketball podcast, Ben and Cody discuss Jrue Holiday's 2022 All-Star level season, the Bucks Big 3 with Khris Middleton, and the variety in Milwaukee's offense that has them performing so well.
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If yall want to see how good the Bucks really are, go watch the Bucks vs Bulls game from March 22. See how the Bucks make a substitution every 3mins and keep bodies fresh, due to how deep their bench go. Observe how they can seamlessly go from a Giannis at pf lineup, to a Giannis at center, then to a Giannis at sf lineup with Bobby, Brook, or Serge combo in. It's like a combination from the old-school big man lineup and nowadays small ball lineup. It's something completely knew like a hybrid of the two. A cross between the Cavs and the Warriors. And to even make this more lethal, everyone on the team from the 1st to 13th roster spot can shoot 3s. The 2 worst being Giannis and probably Serge lmaoo. And Giannis shooting above 30% and Serge shooting 35%. Also notice how every player is literally 3&d, with the worst defender on the team probably being Grayson Allen, who by no means is a lackluster defender. They got the perfect mesh of perimeter defenders and interior defenders, which Jrue, Khris, Wes Mathews, Javon Carter, Grayson, Pat C, and Brook, Giannis, Serge, Bobby. I'm telling you watch the Bucks vs Bulls game from the 22nd, and you'll see the difference between a championship hopeful and a contender/favorite. And not to mention Khris Middleton didn't even play that game, which only adds to how deep the team is when watching that game.
Great analysis!
Agree with everything except saying the bulls are championship hopefuls
@matisha hopkins I like your takeaway from what I said and the Bucks as a whole. But I think that the reason why we struggle on defense is almost all the way due to the loss of Brook. Losing Brook forced Giannis to play center and sometimes hold larger centers like Gobert. A lineup of Giannis and Bobby is not a good one imo due to the fact that Giannis can't really be in a help defense position, as Bobby is too small for a lot of top centers. So that alone compromises defensive rebounds and p&r defense, which was our best attribute with Brook in...allowing him to sink low on coverage. Brook being out also means Bobby as a starter which fucks up our bench frontcourt. For most of the season we didn't have a bench center, and if we did it was a poor defensive one, like Boogie or Mamu in some cases. This is why our 3rd quarter defense is atrocious, because the 3rd is usually a quarter for the bench. This why teams blow leads, because their bench is bad. 3rd quarter allows the starters to rest up for the 4th quarter. But going forward, I believe we will elevate to a level never seen by a team before. Small ball, 3 bigs lineups, offense defense, it's gonna be crazy.
@@grafvonvorneundeinskometen7893 I mean the bulls are 1 game out of the play in, and lost 7 out of 10 last games. With Lonzo out, and all the injuries they have had, I don't think there's enough time to get back in the groove and rebuild chemistry.
man I'm so happy for Serge, after all those injuries and his age he can still be productive in a high level
I really felt Jrue deserved the all-star nod over K-Midd. He's a walking bucket, but he wasn't as consistent throughout the first half as Jrue was. His turnover ratio and defense were not his best, while Jrue has been stellar all year long and has been the most decisive player stopping opposing teams runs in the 4th while being both a closer and a distributor.
He’s their second best player, it’s just that he’s a guard and Khris is a forward
I agree. It’s just unfortunate that the All star game is positioned base, and there are more good guards than frontcourt players. If I could, I would have both on the team
they both should have been all stars. All star selections are somewhat arbitrary anyway. We all know how good jrue is.
@@TheMissinLink they are great at their respective roles, as good as a guy can be without being a team centerpiece, great team-players with good individual skills
Or over lavine who is just not a good defender
I was really hoping this section would become enhanced here when I heard the episode. Jrue really should have been the second all star for the Bucks this year.
Totally agree, I was about to write the same comment…
Khris middleton is overrated
Man I'm not even a Bucks fan and I voted for him everyday and spam voted on twitter, but hes sadly underrated among the Bucks fans
@@ritsuboii2130 nah no one respects the guy, he had huge games in the playoffs last year and is one of the best shooters in the league, just because he has had a couple all-star selections it does not make him overrated
@@ritsuboii2130 ur overreacting. Dude's still consistent most of the time.
I just felt the need to look this up: Jrue Holiday is shooting north of 55% from 10-20 feet, that's nuts
The stat this year about Jrue I thought was crazy is that he’s 2nd behind Jokic in isolation efficiency and 1st among guards in shooting percentage from the post. He really doesn’t get the respect he deserves as an offensive force.
@@squadup22 The respect as a non-Bucks fan I give is that since he's arrived there last season, he is best second option after Giannis.
Jrue Holiday is a top 5 defensive PG in league history. In no order you have Gary Payton, John Stockton, Jason Kidd, Jrue Holiday & Chris Paul.
I watch every bucks game and Jrue has been unbelievable since the all star break. Just dominating 4th quarters with Giannis and Khris. He is by far the best defensive guard in the league
Smart
Bucks got one of the best iso defenders. Best part it never shows up until the playoffs when... oop u got ISO scorers!
As a Pels fan since the CP3 era, Jrue is still my favorite Pel of all time. He was underrated because of a bad roster that probably asked him for too much offensively. But I'm stoked that he's finally getting the shine that he deserves
Jrue was insane in that game against the Pelicans earlier this season where Giannis and Khris were out. Bucks ended up losing but it was a real edge of your seat contest.
The guy singel handedly took out prime Lillard and Blazers from the playoffs with very underwhelming Pelicans squad. I think he proved that he is more than capable to deliver. It's just seems he is too unselfish to be that go to guy on daily basis which is why he shines with Bucks and yet he is still capable of shitfint gears and being a go to guy if the team really needs it.
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I love this segment. You guys are so calm and collected it really is a rarity these days. Good arguments no matter if you agre or not.
if you were to enhance the podcast you did with j Kyle man I'm pretty sure it would break basketball TH-cam 🙏🏿 big fan!
For real thooooooo!
I remember a couple years ago when the Bucks had an awful halfcourt system, like one o two options and now have a ton of plays and motions. Btw Congrats for your job guys!
great offenses take time to build, this teams has been together for a couple of years now so they've been building up on that initial system over time, that system wasnt bad per se, it was just simple, which is what made it easy to stop in the playoffs, they kept adding wrinkles to it and now its great
@@uuh4yj43 for sure, they needed to develop players and chemistry and really happy to watch them play a really consistent and packed basketball system!
Jason Kidd offense. Luckily he learned defense from Vogel.
Some of that is just quality of the top 8.
When Bud got to Milwaukee, there were a lot of NBA caliber players, but you couldn't say that all of the Top 8 were Playoff quality.
Sets will bog down when you have Irsan instead of Portis. Connaughton took a big jump last year.
Grayson Allen isn't as good defensively as Donte, but he doesn't gamble and is better offensively.
Jrue is a big step up from Bledsoe. Bledsoe's overall game would get worse if his shot wasn't falling, which added to the problem.
All those individual gains add up and support each other.
Horst has done a good job of improving at the margins, not just the Holiday trade. He also got Serge, their best backup big, and two second round picks for basically nothing.
@@uuh4yj43 Its more like the team def needed to give Bud some more talent to work with. I was about to trash Budenholzer for his lack of adjustments and not experimenting more in the regular season to what he can do in the playoffs. But Jrue was that guy for him to help turn the Bucks into elite playoff performers.
Wow, finally!!!! Somebody talks about Jrue!!!
I’m so happy Jrue Hoilday is on my team
I really think they will repeat
I bet they will win at least a playoff game. Probably several.
They will. Buck2Buck 🏆
Love Giannis, but I doubt it.
My dudes, I have to say it: this is my favorite type of videos on the channel.
if his game can translate his game into the play offs, the bucks are gonna be very very hard to beat, even for a team like brooklyn that has two offensive monsters
He’s already proven that it can only a matter of seeing how the circumstances play out at this point.
Nets will be scary offensively but defensively not so much.
It should be even more scary than last year for everyone else. Jrue is elite defensively, always. Last year in the playoff I believe he was decent offensively. Regardless he kept shooting, hit or miss, he wasn't deterred. Now with his offensive game more efficient. Scary.
Overall Jrue's offence wasn't good in the playoffs - he spent all his energy on defense.
Jrue was missing shots at the basket, a symptom of tired legs.
As a bucks fan it made me feel good when he said we have 3 of the top 20 players going into the playoffs
This is a great piece guys!
I think Giannis was a bit understated this video. The guy is a guaranteed 30pts and his improved ft shooting and mid range game (pull ups and turnarounds) were not talked about
You have immaculate hair btw. It's like you really are a mad scientist of basketball.
One of the reasons why l like Jrue so much is because he's a rare breed of (point) guard in today's game. Very few guards in the league can score, playmake, and defend all at as high a level as he does.
Thanks for the vid
I love researching basketball and specifically the things y’all do. What resources do you use to acquire your stats? For example, you spoke on Jrue’s 3Pt shooting. It was 41% open and 38% contested. Where are you getting those very specific stats? If you dont reply that’s cool, but awesome video as usual.
Love the Marques Johnson love. He's the man and has been
Big ups Marcus Johnson! GOAT commentator.
Bucks are the best representation of an elite modern day analytics team that is both fun to watch and would give old powerhouse teams from the 90s problems with all of the different sets they can throw at you.
Jrue Holiday supremacy 🙇♂️
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Can you post these full podcasts with videos on TH-cam please love them sm
3:06 almost a zero dip 3 😁
Your favorite podcasts favorite podcast
I'm curious what your perspective on the Suns is. Would like to hear from the stats perspective about their year.
Great episode! Do you think jrue has a chance at all NBA? The competition is crazy with Doncic, steph, Cp3, donovan Mitchell, Morant, Booker, vanVleet.
he might get a defensive first team, i bet defensive 2nd tho
They're definitely gonna need a better offensive performance this go round to repeat especially if Brook declines at all and not having PJ Tucker this time.
PJ Tucker was really important in the Nets series, and that's about it
@@paquinraino8180 when KD had his best series of his life. Tucker was big vs suns but vs nets no one could stop KD
@@paquinraino8180 Tucker also hurt the half court offense because he wouldn't shoot. His man left him entirely.
With Matthews it might be a wash - still a tough defender, but better on offense.
I really wanna see a Minnesota Timberwolves analysis bcuz they improved so much this season
You guys should be on ESPN
Looking back at the trade with which they acquired Jrue, it was such a no-brainer. The Bucks gave up two picks for him and another one to get rid of Eric Bledsoe's contract.
If the trade didn't get a ring, they'd be screwed because they would be out of major moves.
@@recoil53 Well if Jrue didn't sign the extension. Because Giannis is starting to hit his prime and the Bucks still haven't shown to have that great 2nd option after him. Now Jrue is that guy and Khris can comfortably play at his own role.
@@t4d0W The extension was agreed upon before the trade.
But the Bucks still have no ammo for a major trade - Bobby only has a player option for next year.
Now they can just adjust at the margins.
Ty
Last year was a defensive driven championship run, crazy this year it's their offense that is next level
Let’s go bucks… buck to buck this year…
yes we have the players
My favorite player!
Give Portis his props!
Jrue has finally started getting his credit and appreciation the last couple Years however he should be an all star over Middleton he’s a better player overall and it’s not close
If Jrue plays well and makes an impression on the playoffs and the Bucks repeat, it'll be like he was always thought highly of. They'll overcompensate and talk about him like his greatness was always obvious. He'll suddenly begin to appear on lists. He'll go from underrated to overrated.
Would love to know where Giannis ranks in all time full court offence vs Lebron James (I would suppose his Miami days were his best...)
*Ben, you mentioned in your GOAT Peaks that LBJ was the greatest transition scorer
It has always been me! Y’all just over looking me! I GOT MORE RINGS THAN HARDEN, IVERSON, AND MALONE! COMBINED! y’all just don’t know how good I am
If you need to slow it down and draw fouls on KD or another dynamic offensive wing who's killing you: post Giannis or Brook. Distant fourth category of O but don't overlook it
and they have multiple shooters to space. The addition of Serge and return of Brook gives them 4 legit big guys who bring different things to the table. Great roster
playing random is the key to being diverse
Very tough schedule coming up. Especially next 3 which could all be loses. I predict they drop to 4th seed to start playoffs. Main thing is to be healthy for playoffs. If so, it’s wide open in East. To me, Boston is new favorite to come out of east. If not the Bucks, I would rather have them than Heat, Sixers or Nets
Boston without TimeLord is not as scary. They can clear the first round but depending on who they draw the 2nd round Tatum has to go all gas no brakes. Believe it or not I still like the Bucks overall because none of the top teams have gotten a clear answer to Giannis/Jrue. If Giannis drops 50+ then who do those teams have who is willing to easily match? KD sure as he's shown in the playoffs. Embiid may be different this season if he shows a couple of 40/20 games in the playoffs and in dominant fashion.
Does it have anything to do with 3 all stars on the team?
Jrue is a one time all star - back in 2013.
And I think even Bucks fans would agree that Middleton didn't deserve it this year.
Only one of them is a consistent all star.
Today against Memphis, it was so obvious that Jrue is the entire anchor for the Bucks. Without him, they just look so lost.
Can we talk about Jordan poole without Stephen curry??😎
What everybody seems to ignore is that Brooklyn is not the team anymore that they need luck to advance… there is no team this year where they need luck
Actually in every series they need luck, since Kyrie has a long history of injury. Wasn't 2016 the only time he was healthy for the playoffs?
@@recoil53 every team at 100% looses vs a healthy bucks team is all I’m saying
2peat!
I think they can
Holy crap, Jrue traveled so obviously at 1:33 . Three times, really.
Never realized Ben looks like an anime character...
Idk how many would like this, but I would die laughing if you could make a video manipulating a bunch of stats to show why someone random like al horford, TJ warren etc is currently the best player in the nba
They're gonna repeat and people been sleeping on them all year
Name a better PG in the league right now. I really can't. Bucks need to keep the offense in Jrue hands. He reminds me of Gary Payton back in the 1990s. He's found his groove.
?? Luka Doncic, Stephen Curry, Chris Paul.
@@kingjaydex7464 my point. You had to really think about it and even the names u mentioned, only Chris Paul is akin to Jrue as a point guard. Doncic is a point forward. Curry is more a shooting guard than point.
Doncic
@@FInalage2012 Doncic is primarily a point guard and Steph is a better passer than Jrue the only difference is is the system they play in.
@@kingjaydex7464 Steph is a better scorer and shooter not passer. Jrue is underatted passer and he already had 9APG seasons in the past. If anything it's passing where Steph isn't that good (still above average) but it doesn't really matter because of how good his main strengths are. Both Curry and Holiday play in unselfish systems that doesn't transition into much assists because Bucks create as much offence through Giannis and Middleton as ball handlers as they do with Jrue and Curry plays tons of off ball because it's his and team's really big strength. Also both would average much more assist if they played in more iso ball based teams.
Bucks or Celtics vs Suns finals.
God bless the Bucks man!!! Milwaukee Bucks champions 2021 only with help of God!!! History made only with help of God!!! We gonna do it again only with help of God in 2022!!! Praised be Jesus Christ!!!
They might win it again if GS doesn't get their shit together
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This was amazing. And people freak out when I say that Giannis would be in some teams just a screen and roll guy. Phoenix would never let him do his dribbling five out.
Giannis is lucky that Jrue and Khris are real, low maintenance ballers and he can rely on them when it matters. Those points don't get brought up enough.
His transition buckets made him the MVP and made Eric bledsoe look like an allstar
Crazy thing to say you forget his transition game? Or even his isos on the wing where he can exploit mismatches and also playmaking?
@@or1343 his iso game in half court is not their most effective weapon
@@Kodreanu23 I didn’t say it was their most effective I said it’s still an effective weapon. If you watched the playoffs last year even the finals they would iso him on the wing on 45 degree angles, it’s almost impossible to guard and might result to fouls most of the time and that was even before he improved his free throws or midrange shots.
@@Kodreanu23 and I’m not talking about isos a the top of key, those are terrible I agree but the ones close to the basket are actually efficient
Bucks basketball? oh yeah baby get out the pan
While Middleton is still inconsistent
I gotta give it to Middleton though i think he will really come through in the playoffs
jump-shooters just are like that, players that play inside always have more consistent scoring while jump-shooters are more on and off
@Mr. Noname nah just half of the time tbh. But if jrue keeps playing like the 2nd best player then he’s good as a third.
He's been on since the ASB.
It was always going to be that way, with a shorter off season plus playing in the Olympics.
Giannis is shooting 41% from midrange tgo
ben turning into my aunt
Good, they'll beat whomever until the get to the Celtics then nu-night.
That brown belt analogy was horrible lmaoo
Lebron is still the best transition scorer i think
He is an elite defender. Bucks are not the best offense. Warriors and Suns have way more weapons.
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What an insult to say Giannis is like Bam. I don't care the context
“Prefer giannis in a Bam-like role” is very different from saying “giannis is like bam”
@@luissyquia Giannis is a much better passer than Bam and Ball handler. I seriously don't understand how Giannis can be used as Bam. It would be stupid to use Giannis like Bam.
You probably should care about context
@@t20981 giannis is not a better passer than bam sorry, he is a much better player but it doesnt mean hes better at everything, bam is a more accurate passer and has better vision
@@t20981 Cody is saying in the context of the Bucks offense and who their other ball handlers are, giannis in that bam-like role yields better results than when he’s in the ‘Lebron role’ as Cody put it.
He was not comparing them like you are.
I don’t understand NBA fans that are fans of teams and not just players. It’s almost cringe to me that people are into these teams owned by old white men that mean nothing
I have always been only following my favorite players and don't being really attached to the teams when they moves on but I don't understand gatekeepers both: team supporting that used to insult me as bandwagonner and player supporting like you. Just like people being into teams in the end of the day means nothing so does you supporting your favorite players. If you think about it league titles and mvps mean nothing as well but who cares. Let people like what they like without shoving your annoying opinion what else should do or feel up everyone's throat.