I have no nostalgia goggles because I played Oblivion after Skyrim and after Morrowind (skyrim was the first one I played) and damn. You got me there, agree wholeheartedly, have a like
Sean Treadway I don’t have nostalgia goggles either I played Skyrim first as well. But yet I like oblivion hell of a lot more than Skyrim but I think Skyrim is absolute crap.
If Haskill was there 'since the beginning' and it involved Jygalagg, personally I think it makes the most sense that Haskill was somehow involved in the curse that turned Jygalagg into Sheogorath in the first place.
He may be like Barbas, Clavicus Vile's dog. Haskill could well be necesary for Sheogorath to exist as he is. Maybe even the key to the curse itself, a kind of 'receptacle' for Jyggalagg's orderliness, or the suffering he feels at Sheogorath's chaos, I'm not sure. Of course, if this were the case, one would think the Greymarch would target him more specifically, instead of leaving him almost completely untouched.
It might be that he _is_ Jyggalag; rendered down into a subservient chamberlain to his cursed self, forced to watch as a madman with all the strength and power he once possessed tears his orderly realm to pieces day by day, free to feel at peace only during the greymarch, when Sheogorath ceases to exist and the Realm of Order returns, if only for a short while.
I could write an essay about this idea. But simply put could Haskel mantling Shay/Jig be the direct cause of the curse? Like humans are inatly chaotic and possess every aspect Shay embodies, Haskel mantling Jig led to him gaining all the traits of a mortal, as you walk as them, they to shall then walk as you, making Shay come to be and thus leading to all three being present when it all began. Plus Haskel would of gained from who he mantled and given up aspects to who Jig would become.
Quick, before he arranges your sock drawer! ...no seriously. I hate it when eveyrthing's already just as messy as you like it and then someone comes along and straightens up the whole thing. You can never find your favorite lungfish after that.
@@ingonyama70 I agree once my haskill put my favorite door somewhere I couldn't find it for 50 years then I found out it was in a hallway and I rewarded him with time off and also to annoy him with time off also CHEESE
Order is a dirty word, and not what Haskill wants. I think Haskill's purpose... is to maintain harmony within the realm. The realm can't be allowed to destroy itself, correct? So Haskill tirelessly strives to ensure discord is suppressed and realm maintains a certain level of harmony.
@@syruscoy1244haskil is... tranquility, like what happen in the mind of a mad man, is not order, is not getting it together, is just merely the put up a faqade
Welcome and bienvenue! Wtach out for the throne of rats, it bites. There's the throne of slime if you don't mind getting a bit of muck on your breeches, the throne of paper (mind the cuts), and the Throne of Wa...oops, no idea how that got here. HASKILL!!!
Like Rick that knows he's in a t.v. show! Oh crap, I just got a bat-s&@% thought! Imagine Rick, Sheogorath, and Deadpool in the same room together! The CHAOS that would ensue, it would be GREAT to see!
Maybe Haskill was a mortal champion, a pawn in the games that the Daedra often play. Maybe he played a key role in the Daedra's goal to turn Jyggalag into Sheogorath. I recall in ESO, Sheogorath has you spar with Haskill a bit. Haskill wielded a big hammer..
The spar against Haskill was because the end of your "quest" needed a "boss". The entire Mages Guild quest line in ESO was a satire on questing in rpgs with a huge moral dilemma at the end to test the player and see if they caught the game that Sheogorath was playing. It is why Haskill sighs after being informed to fight you. He knows what it going on and how fighting him is so pointless. It does nothing to change the narrative that was building under the surface of every piece of the chain. That fight was nothing more than a task to act as the justification to reward you. It was the same set up as every quest to gain the book. The point was never to keep the books from you but rather was a distraction and excuse to provide a reward that wasn't really a reward.
@@ChadKakashi Yeah especially when you pair it up side by side with the Fighter's Guild quest line in ESO, which does follow the story beats of a traditional rpg main quest chain pretty closely. 1 is deconstructing quest chains and 1 is adhering to the established formula. Lots of people miss this fact because they are so wrapped up in what their part of the Mage Guild quest chain is that they don't see what is really going on. And it ends with Sheogorath hitting you with a moral dilemma on picking personal power or saving her from insanity. Logically you only gain from the personal power choice and only lose with the saving as either way you will be given the library perk to be able to see all books you have read in your journal.
I was stricken by the poetic inversion of the idea of the Jester. Sheo on his throne, Haskill standing out as the fool would in the court of an orderly king. The lore is so absurdly good.
.I have a theory, the two chamberlains were once one person. When sheogorath split, what if his chamberlain split in two. Hence why he says he was there from the beginning. Bonus theory, the mad daedra has two minds and their trying to reconnect but the mad side doesn’t want to. Everything in his realm is in the mad gods head.
Great job guys. Always loved Haskill's character, with that bitter humor of his, and always was curious about his lore. Hope I'm not the only one who is looking forward to an explanation of Dyus, Jyggalag's chamberlain
@@astra3310 They are different people, and they actually don't get along very well. When Jyggalag turned into Sheogorath, Sheogorath had Jyggalag's great library and most everything related to him destroyed, but he could never bring himself to destroying Dyus, so he is there trapped at the ruins and cursed with immortality
Honestly you kind of blew my mind in your depiction of Haskill as obsessive compulsive. When most think of madness they don’t think of order but instead chaos, however obsession itself is a form of madness so it really does make sense that someone obsessed with order still fits within a realm of madness. Irl OCD to extreme degrees is also considered detrimental and a mental illness. Honestly such a little thing I think many didn’t even notice or consider but it’s brilliant, if the writers intended this observation they’ve earned even more of my respect and thank you for making me aware to such a cool and interesting detail.
My Theory: Haskill is the remains of the Deadric lord of madness that existed before the mantle was passed to Jygalagg. We don't exactly know "how" the other Deadric princes cursed the Lord of Order with the Mantle of Sheogorath, but as we've established they cannot truly create things from nothing. I suspect they took the mantle from whom/whatever Haskill was and mantled Jygalagg with the domain of madness. And thusly Haskill became a vestige (literally) of the mad god.
@@whama7998 It the best I can come up with based on the fact that Sheo and Haskill love word-play. There is always some double meaning in what they say, some duality to it just like the isles that embody them. When Haskill says "Vestige" I think he's being literal rather then referencing the Deadric concept.
I have a betta fish named Sheogorath and a nerite snail named Haskill. Sheo always flares at haskill, kinda like how hes always bossing haskill around, so i think its a perfect combination of the two personalities 🤣
I've always been under the impression that haskell is a piece of sheogorath in the same way that clavicus viles dog is. A separate entity but still a part of him. It explains him being there since the beginning. He could have been created by jygalag for the reason of mantaling and preserving sheogorath therefore preserving himself for the eventual resurrection
So . . . what would happen if someone tried to mantle Sheogorath while he and Jyggalag were still united as one? Here's my theory for Haskill: When Jygg was first cursed to become Sheo, Jygg didn't turn immediately (just as Sheo doesn't become Jygg all at once). As madness set in the Lord of Order sought desperately to find a way to forestall or escape what was happening to him. He no doubt understood the nature of the curse, being who he was, and so sought to use his insights of its nature to his advantage. Jygg sought out a mortal to mantle the Mad God he had not yet become, likely hoping that he could cheat the curse in this way. He found one and set about the process... however, as his immaculate mind slipped into lunatic anarchy, he missed a critical detail: how the curse and the mantling process would interfere with one another. The man we now know as Haskill no doubt did mantle the still-unfinished Sheogorath at least partially... but any curse that can turn a Prince of Order insane is surely enough to play merry havoc with a mortal. I theorize that in Haskill's case, the curse caused his nature to "flip" -- instead of a mad man becoming a mad god, what we got was a demi-daedra obsessed with orderliness to the point of absurdity. His creation would have linked him inexorably to his master... but his master was no longer who he once was, and so Haskill's tangled pseudo-mantling knit him to the will of madness instead of order. Just imagine it: being order-obsessed and yet unceasingly loyal to madness as a concept. If that doesn't sum up Haskill in a hand-basket, I don't know what does. This theory meets all the criteria: he was there "in the beginning" with both Jygg and Sheo (the beginning of the cycle of the curse, that is), he mantled Sheo and was then separated (incomplete mantling effected by the curse), and ultimately became a daedric remnant.
It makes more sense than this "Sheo has someone mantle him a lot but it really ends up meaningless because he turns back anyway" that the current writers seem to be going for.
@@diosoth A very old comment but I’ll drop my thought. Jyggalag stated he has never been beaten in combat before the CoC which seems key to finishing the mantling process. So it’s also just as likely Haskill could not defeat Jyggalag in combat and was thrusted out from the pseudo position of Sheogorath after Jyggalag returned to the station upon that Greymarches completion.
PG Wodehouse ate a lot of cheese. Uncle Sheo is trying to make himself tea. Sheo: Now Haskill, it says here it's best to use soft water, but that after boiling it may again become hard. Well, I mean, that's ice, isn't it? Haskill, suppose that you were strolling through the illimitable jungle and you happened to meet a tiger senche. Haskill: The contingency is a remote one, sir. Sheo: Never mind. Let us suppose it. Haskill: Very good, sir. Cheesemonger Extraordinaire: Let us now suppose that you biffed that tiger senche. And let us further suppose that word reached its mother that you'd done so. Now, what would you expect the attitude of that mother to be? Haskill: In the circumstances I should anticipate a certain show of disapprobation, sir.
Better organized, like @WASDLeftClick says, but also less stocked and a lot more boring. I can't see Jyggalagg stacking his books the way Herma Mora does, or letting so many of them be underwater, or posting such chaotic-ugly creatures as Seekers and Lurkers as librarians or guards. His aesthetic's totally different.
It depends on what you find more all-encompassing; rows upon rows of rigorously organized mathematical formulae, transcribed upon silvered glass so as to be aligned with each other and reveal every single truth in the universe, past, present, and future; or a realm consisting of every book ever written, every story every told, truth and lie, madness and brilliance, all lying in a great pile without logic or reason, all of it weeping ink into the black oceans above and below.
I was under the assumption that jyggalag’s library was filled with knowledge that he himself had essentially deduced because he’s a big brain boy who don’t need no books whereas apocrypha is basically just the internet but with magic and a slimy tentacle monster that will literally give you the power to control the minds of those around you in exchange for a fairytale he hasn’t heard before
Probably because he sees all the insanity around him and doesn't break, panic, or run away. That level of mental fortitude is in itself a kind of madness.
"The saying a method to one's madness means that despite acting in a strange way, a person is working towards achieving a reasonable goal, and has a strategy to get there."
It’s so cool how all three of the fudgemuppet boys each have their favorite aspects of lore and their own respective expertise, like how Drew and his beard are the Daedrologist. These videos have been carrying me through 2020, they’re that good. I’m okay with all the awful things that happened to me, losing a son, finding out he wasn’t actually my son, so many other things, because I can come home after translating german for 8 hours to dive into a FM video and forget all these things around me. My ninjas Drew, Scotty, and Mike are Daedric Princes, each one.
its funny how jyggalags own chamberlain went insane due to the overwhelming sense of order his late master had, further adding to the dichotomy of the shivering isles. how constant order can break the mind especially order without purpose
Haskill might be an eternal part of the realm of madness because Order is ultimately the highest form of madness. For what could be more mad then to attempt to sort madness? To bring together randomness, insanity, and spontaneous and force it into a pretty order, would take quite the madman.
HasSkill is the jailer, one of Molag Bal's vampire Lords in disguise, that's why they look like Bill Nighy in my memories, they were a HasSkill once. Because I have NO SKILL!!!
Hes not that organized. If you complete the shivering isles main quest before you complete the sheogorath shrine quest back in cyrodiil. When you make your offering. He remarks that praying to yourself, to give yourself a quest is your business. Since youre the boss. Upon completion he remarks that you probably didnt need to go through all that. And that he shouldve remembered to just give you wabbajack.
In some respects even trying to keep the Madgod's house in order might make him the maddest person on the shivering isles. Minus Sheogorath himself of course.
Perhaps Haskill was the means by which Jyggalag was cursed with madness. The other daedra pushed a mortal to seek perfect order in such extremes that it became a form of madness, mantling Jyggalag while also cursing him with madness creating Sheogorath
This is what I'm thinking too. Haskill is kind of like a leash on Sheogorath's extreme tencdencies, the same way Barbas is a leash on Clavicus Vile's. I figure he's as necessary to the Madgod's existence as Barbas is for the Wishmaster's.
Fun fact: The VA for Haskill is also the one who did the voice for Sheogorath in Morrowind, and in Oblivion Haskill mentions that when Sheogorath is busy he usually "fills in" to his duties, hence when he speaks to you during and after the dlc at Sheogorath's shrine
Ive got a head cannon that you are an imortal daedra who was once under harmasus mora but was a le to escape from his relm and now you are a historian who first hand interviews the heroes of tamriel doing your best to peice together a detailed timeline of events for the universe
Perhaps the Hero of Kvatch is not doomed to be Sheogorath forever, and will some day become a being like Haskill: a separate, independent entity that once Mantled the Mad God.
I always looked at Haskill as being the tiny shred of Jyggalag that remained within Sheogorarh and, conversely, that obsessive shred of madness within Jyggalag do it's possible that it's that tiny speck of both that Haskill retained from his enmantling.
I'm more interested in WHAT Haskil is than who. My personal theory is that he's kind of an ancor point. When Sheogorath is in charge he is the small piece of order that keeps the chaos held togeather and during The Grey March he's the small fragment of Chaos that stops The Grey March from completly destroying everything. Thus how he was there "From the begining".
That's what I'm thinking. Haskill seems like a kind of halfway point between Sheogorath and Jyggalagg, so it actually makes sense that he'd be the axis around which the whole curse revolves. Daedra can't create or destroy, so we can't just blink him out of existence. After the Hero of Kvatch mantles, I assume Haskill either stays around for the transitional period and then returns to wherever he came from, or Herogorath just decides to keep him around because we like him.
Always thought he was a mortal turned ALMOST into a like Barnabas role. But with much less power than Doggy B as he’s like literally half of Vile basically. As to how Haskill achieved this idk
I think that Haskill and Dyus are both similar to Barbas. Sheogorath and Jygalag both wanted and right-hand man so they took a little bit of themselves and shaped it into a unique Daedra suited to their purposes.
I remember a fanfic I read once that said Haskill was a dragon, one that gave itself up to the mad god to allow the others including Alduin to pass through the shivering isles on their way to mundus, as tasked by Akatosh, before Alduin's descent into tyrannical rule. It was kind of an alternate story to Skyrim, where Alduin had bested the Dragonborn. Sheogorath wanted mortals to survive so he could continue to be entertained, so he ferried them through, and tasked Haskill with defending the gate, allowing Haskill to unleash his full power there (a Dragon empowered by the mad god). (Part of the theory why he usually acts amicable to the player, as they are usually the only thing keeping mundus safe at such times, so he gets to keep his entertainment. You're already doing him a favor carrying out your destiny essentially.)
What if, hear me out, Haskill is the true god of Order and Madness? Because nobody can become Azura, nobody can become Dagon, nobody can become Mephala. But Champions taking up the mantle of 'become crazy (with power)'? Voluntary? That just reeks of Daedra.
i like to think hes the literal shadow of sheogorath, the broken remains of a cursed god of order, the one peice of him that will never go away. Like jyggalags power was doomed to chaos, and haskill is his broken consciousness watching it all happen over and over again... the greymarch, the jyggalag we fight, the sheogorath we meet is just his thoughts going in a mad endless loop, while haskill must always be around to tidy things up and serve.
I have a feeling that Haskill and Dyus were one once. And that mortal mantled both the MadGod and Jyggalag as part of the deadra princes curse upon him in a forgotten Kalpa, a kalpa home to Mytheria. After taking on the role of two Gods, both intrinsically opposite yet with eerie similarities, he became split as a result and became a Vestige. His Anuic Animus now corrupted by Padomaic Vestige/Chaotic Creation mixed with the curse placed upon the original split him into separate entities as a result.
Considering how Sheogorath in Morrowind has Haskill's voice, my headcanon is that Haskill is a split-off part of Sheogorath himself, like Barbas is to Clavicus Vile
It would be cool if it turns out Haskil is a Fragment that was created when Jyga turned into Sheo and is there as Jyga's imprint on Sheo to witness the chaos and made to participate. Given enough Chaos, order tends to happen eventually even if for a moment.
He's definitely a Daedra, though I don't think he's a Prince. Unless he's an aspect of Jyggalagg, compartmentalized into a whole separate character so that Sheogorath can be Sheogorath.
Before i watch this. I always figured Haskil was actually a part of jyggalag or atleast one of his followers. Which is why he is the only one that has any order in a chaotic world.
This is probably a stretch but could he be a vestige of the prince of order? But one created right before the curse and brought over to madness? Or perhaps a vestige that Sheogorath keeps around because there's that little part of him that's still the prince of order?
Maybe Haskill was a previous attempt at breaking the Greymarch but he wasn't actually strong enough so instead of breaking Jyggalag and Sheogorath apart he ended up just getting shattered himself.
And what if Haskill is a dormant part of Sheogorath? What if he is actually Jyggelag watching over Sheogorath and his realm (keeping it in order) in waiting for a champion who can mantle the mad god aspect of Sheogorath, so that Jyggelag can break free and become himself again. As an advisor of Sheogorath he can both be the voice of reason and advise him to summon a champion in order to break the cycle of the Greymarch,
I’ve always wondered how hard do u have to worship a daedric prince like Azura for example, to gain access to their realm (moonshadow) after life. Like if I lived in TES universe and I have a shrine to Azura in my basement and pray to her twice a day am I going to have an afterlife in moonshadow. SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER I GOTS TO KNOW
Given Sheogorath's tendency to will things into existence on any and all whims, it may be more likely that the Haskill we meet is something akin to a clone, a duplicate of the Haskill that mantled, rather than the 'original.' Since mantling would suggest the original Haskill ceased to be, with Sheogorath entirely supplanting him in body and soul, it's entirely possible that the Madgod had what we might call a pang of nostalgia upon the mantling, in the process willing a version of himself back into independent existence, but as a daedric vestige since Haskill's soul was now Sheogorath. For that matter, Dyus could be a similar case, with Jyggalag manifesting a vestige duplicate of a mortal that mantled him as a means to first keep his library, then manage anything he didn't feel like dealing with. In this case, both Haskill and Dyus would technically have always been vestiges, never having been the Haskill and Dyus who existed prior to mantling, but would rather be replicated manifestations of those effectively-gone former-mortals.
I find it interesting that, this coincided with the oblivian crisis. The god of destruction was going to destroy tamriel and the god of order was going to do the same to the shivering isles.
I'd be super interested in a video that discusses political alliances of the different races/cultures of tamriel. It could be how and why different cultures align with each other or against each other and how they've changed over time, and what alliances have been the most beneficial or long lasting.
I hated that in skyrim they did haskill dirty. Made him a mad vagrant. Much better as the only sane guy in the realm of madness, that's insane in its own sense. Plus he's the only one who always survives, always continues, always serves as the perfect chamberlain. Because what is the definition of madness again?
I still remember first entering the Isles. That room turning to butterflies transition is still the best FX Bethesda has done to date.
I have no nostalgia goggles because I played Oblivion after Skyrim and after Morrowind (skyrim was the first one I played) and damn.
You got me there, agree wholeheartedly, have a like
Broh literallyyyyy same oblivion was the first game I ever played! First playing shivering isles I was so pumped😂😭
Sean Treadway I don’t have nostalgia goggles either I played Skyrim first as well. But yet I like oblivion hell of a lot more than Skyrim but I think Skyrim is absolute crap.
@@plaguedoctor981yt8 why is that?
Mekhi Scullawl Besides it being boring and incredibly half assed.
If Haskill was there 'since the beginning' and it involved Jygalagg, personally I think it makes the most sense that Haskill was somehow involved in the curse that turned Jygalagg into Sheogorath in the first place.
I hope they visit this in the next elder scrolls.
He may be like Barbas, Clavicus Vile's dog. Haskill could well be necesary for Sheogorath to exist as he is. Maybe even the key to the curse itself, a kind of 'receptacle' for Jyggalagg's orderliness, or the suffering he feels at Sheogorath's chaos, I'm not sure.
Of course, if this were the case, one would think the Greymarch would target him more specifically, instead of leaving him almost completely untouched.
It might be that he _is_ Jyggalag; rendered down into a subservient chamberlain to his cursed self, forced to watch as a madman with all the strength and power he once possessed tears his orderly realm to pieces day by day, free to feel at peace only during the greymarch, when Sheogorath ceases to exist and the Realm of Order returns, if only for a short while.
@WASDLeftClick I'm thinking this. Probably a fraction of jyg that stayed with sheo when he was cursed.
I could write an essay about this idea. But simply put could Haskel mantling Shay/Jig be the direct cause of the curse? Like humans are inatly chaotic and possess every aspect Shay embodies, Haskel mantling Jig led to him gaining all the traits of a mortal, as you walk as them, they to shall then walk as you, making Shay come to be and thus leading to all three being present when it all began. Plus Haskel would of gained from who he mantled and given up aspects to who Jig would become.
Well, I suppose it's back to the Shivering Isles. The trouble Haskill can get into while I'm gone simply boggles the mind...
Quick, before he arranges your sock drawer!
...no seriously. I hate it when eveyrthing's already just as messy as you like it and then someone comes along and straightens up the whole thing. You can never find your favorite lungfish after that.
@@ingonyama70 I agree once my haskill put my favorite door somewhere I couldn't find it for 50 years then I found out it was in a hallway and I rewarded him with time off and also to annoy him with time off also CHEESE
Haskill only seems sane and orderly, but order in a realm of madness is madness in itself.
You have a point. After all if everyone is crazy than no-one is crazy. Some one must be there to set the bar.
Order is a dirty word, and not what Haskill wants.
I think Haskill's purpose... is to maintain harmony within the realm.
The realm can't be allowed to destroy itself, correct?
So Haskill tirelessly strives to ensure discord is suppressed and realm maintains a certain level of harmony.
@@syruscoy1244haskil is... tranquility, like what happen in the mind of a mad man, is not order, is not getting it together, is just merely the put up a faqade
I’ll never get sick of elder scrolls lore
Right? I just wish the lore played a more important role in the games.
I would get sick of it if SJW tropes were injected into it
osyrys official free your mind bro. There is a lot of stuff in TES lore that you’d probably consider “sjw tropes” if they were written today.
Despite him being so condescending all the time, Haskill was my favorite Shivering Isles character
It seems like every not completely mentally gone character in the shivering isles is completely condescending
I'm a simple person, I see Sheogorath and I click... And go rapidly into the vortex of madness
Welcome and bienvenue! Wtach out for the throne of rats, it bites. There's the throne of slime if you don't mind getting a bit of muck on your breeches, the throne of paper (mind the cuts), and the Throne of Wa...oops, no idea how that got here. HASKILL!!!
I came here hoping there was cheese, but apparently there is cheese for no one.
@@Harey0407 Maybe the real cheese was the mind you lost along the way...
CHEESE FOR EVERYBODY!!!
Sheo's not a Mad God - he's just the only one that knows he's in a videogame ;)
Deadpool god.
The ones that know it is a video game have reached chim. They know Todd Howard is the godhead.
@@-umbra-1590 heh, who said HoK didnt reach chim? If Vivec and Talos did it, for HoK thats not impossible.
@@-umbra-1590 Money is the godhead, even Todd Howard is a devotee.
Like Rick that knows he's in a t.v. show! Oh crap, I just got a bat-s&@% thought! Imagine Rick, Sheogorath, and Deadpool in the same room together! The CHAOS that would ensue, it would be GREAT to see!
If everyone's crazy, then no one is crazy. For a realm to be crazy there has to be a straight man
Maybe Haskill was a mortal champion, a pawn in the games that the Daedra often play. Maybe he played a key role in the Daedra's goal to turn Jyggalag into Sheogorath.
I recall in ESO, Sheogorath has you spar with Haskill a bit. Haskill wielded a big hammer..
The spar against Haskill was because the end of your "quest" needed a "boss". The entire Mages Guild quest line in ESO was a satire on questing in rpgs with a huge moral dilemma at the end to test the player and see if they caught the game that Sheogorath was playing. It is why Haskill sighs after being informed to fight you. He knows what it going on and how fighting him is so pointless. It does nothing to change the narrative that was building under the surface of every piece of the chain. That fight was nothing more than a task to act as the justification to reward you. It was the same set up as every quest to gain the book. The point was never to keep the books from you but rather was a distraction and excuse to provide a reward that wasn't really a reward.
@@randomasgray that’s clever.
@@ChadKakashi Yeah especially when you pair it up side by side with the Fighter's Guild quest line in ESO, which does follow the story beats of a traditional rpg main quest chain pretty closely. 1 is deconstructing quest chains and 1 is adhering to the established formula. Lots of people miss this fact because they are so wrapped up in what their part of the Mage Guild quest chain is that they don't see what is really going on. And it ends with Sheogorath hitting you with a moral dilemma on picking personal power or saving her from insanity. Logically you only gain from the personal power choice and only lose with the saving as either way you will be given the library perk to be able to see all books you have read in your journal.
I was stricken by the poetic inversion of the idea of the Jester.
Sheo on his throne, Haskill standing out as the fool would in the court of an orderly king. The lore is so absurdly good.
.I have a theory, the two chamberlains were once one person. When sheogorath split, what if his chamberlain split in two. Hence why he says he was there from the beginning.
Bonus theory, the mad daedra has two minds and their trying to reconnect but the mad side doesn’t want to. Everything in his realm is in the mad gods head.
Great job guys. Always loved Haskill's character, with that bitter humor of his, and always was curious about his lore. Hope I'm not the only one who is looking forward to an explanation of Dyus, Jyggalag's chamberlain
I would’ve assumed Dyus turned into Haskill when his Master became Sheogorath
@@astra3310 They are different people, and they actually don't get along very well. When Jyggalag turned into Sheogorath, Sheogorath had Jyggalag's great library and most everything related to him destroyed, but he could never bring himself to destroying Dyus, so he is there trapped at the ruins and cursed with immortality
I'm playing shivering isles right now and seeing haskills egg head makes me want to summon him
Honestly you kind of blew my mind in your depiction of Haskill as obsessive compulsive. When most think of madness they don’t think of order but instead chaos, however obsession itself is a form of madness so it really does make sense that someone obsessed with order still fits within a realm of madness. Irl OCD to extreme degrees is also considered detrimental and a mental illness. Honestly such a little thing I think many didn’t even notice or consider but it’s brilliant, if the writers intended this observation they’ve earned even more of my respect and thank you for making me aware to such a cool and interesting detail.
Wish we could find Glarthir in the Isles after completing his quest.
I honestly expected him to be there in spirit at least.
ThieflyChap definitely
Never been this early, let alone to see one of the best characters in oblivion
Haskill! My good friend. You have made it to the big time.
My Theory: Haskill is the remains of the Deadric lord of madness that existed before the mantle was passed to Jygalagg.
We don't exactly know "how" the other Deadric princes cursed the Lord of Order with the Mantle of Sheogorath, but as we've established they cannot truly create things from nothing.
I suspect they took the mantle from whom/whatever Haskill was and mantled Jygalagg with the domain of madness. And thusly Haskill became a vestige (literally) of the mad god.
Bruh you just turned my whole world upside down
@@whama7998 It the best I can come up with based on the fact that Sheo and Haskill love word-play. There is always some double meaning in what they say, some duality to it just like the isles that embody them.
When Haskill says "Vestige" I think he's being literal rather then referencing the Deadric concept.
Theory:haskill is jygalaggs advisor and is only around to make sure that the madgod does not get to out of hand
This guy could read ingredients of a bread and make it sound epic.
I have a betta fish named Sheogorath and a nerite snail named Haskill. Sheo always flares at haskill, kinda like how hes always bossing haskill around, so i think its a perfect combination of the two personalities 🤣
Sheo fish: Haskill look ! Imma fish !
Haskill snail: Yes, i see my lord....
@@herocatgirl7112 I wish i could attach photos/videos so yall can see! haha
Lol this made my day.
omg nerite snails are cool as hell! watching them eat algae off the glass walls are so satisfying too
I am here by the order of hermaeus mora to indulge my self in the knowledge of this video.
Just make sure he didnt give you the wrong artifact. It might not have been Herma Mora.
The craziest person is the dude that chooses to work in the asylum. Haskill: the man, the myth, the Chamberlain.
I've always been under the impression that haskell is a piece of sheogorath in the same way that clavicus viles dog is. A separate entity but still a part of him. It explains him being there since the beginning. He could have been created by jygalag for the reason of mantaling and preserving sheogorath therefore preserving himself for the eventual resurrection
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@@viveka2994 so? People work night shifts too you know
So . . . what would happen if someone tried to mantle Sheogorath while he and Jyggalag were still united as one?
Here's my theory for Haskill: When Jygg was first cursed to become Sheo, Jygg didn't turn immediately (just as Sheo doesn't become Jygg all at once). As madness set in the Lord of Order sought desperately to find a way to forestall or escape what was happening to him. He no doubt understood the nature of the curse, being who he was, and so sought to use his insights of its nature to his advantage.
Jygg sought out a mortal to mantle the Mad God he had not yet become, likely hoping that he could cheat the curse in this way. He found one and set about the process... however, as his immaculate mind slipped into lunatic anarchy, he missed a critical detail: how the curse and the mantling process would interfere with one another. The man we now know as Haskill no doubt did mantle the still-unfinished Sheogorath at least partially... but any curse that can turn a Prince of Order insane is surely enough to play merry havoc with a mortal. I theorize that in Haskill's case, the curse caused his nature to "flip" -- instead of a mad man becoming a mad god, what we got was a demi-daedra obsessed with orderliness to the point of absurdity. His creation would have linked him inexorably to his master... but his master was no longer who he once was, and so Haskill's tangled pseudo-mantling knit him to the will of madness instead of order. Just imagine it: being order-obsessed and yet unceasingly loyal to madness as a concept. If that doesn't sum up Haskill in a hand-basket, I don't know what does.
This theory meets all the criteria: he was there "in the beginning" with both Jygg and Sheo (the beginning of the cycle of the curse, that is), he mantled Sheo and was then separated (incomplete mantling effected by the curse), and ultimately became a daedric remnant.
Just going to reply to move this theory that I believe in further up the comments.
It makes more sense than this "Sheo has someone mantle him a lot but it really ends up meaningless because he turns back anyway" that the current writers seem to be going for.
@@diosoth A very old comment but I’ll drop my thought.
Jyggalag stated he has never been beaten in combat before the CoC which seems key to finishing the mantling process.
So it’s also just as likely Haskill could not defeat Jyggalag in combat and was thrusted out from the pseudo position of Sheogorath after Jyggalag returned to the station upon that Greymarches completion.
PG Wodehouse ate a lot of cheese.
Uncle Sheo is trying to make himself tea.
Sheo: Now Haskill, it says here it's best to use soft water, but that after boiling it may again become hard. Well, I mean, that's ice, isn't it? Haskill, suppose that you were strolling through the illimitable jungle and you happened to meet a tiger senche.
Haskill: The contingency is a remote one, sir.
Sheo: Never mind. Let us suppose it.
Haskill: Very good, sir.
Cheesemonger Extraordinaire: Let us now suppose that you biffed that tiger senche. And let us further suppose that word reached its mother that you'd done so. Now, what would you expect the attitude of that mother to be?
Haskill: In the circumstances I should anticipate a certain show of disapprobation, sir.
Would jyggalag's library have been more completely encompassing than herma mora's?
Better organized, like @WASDLeftClick says, but also less stocked and a lot more boring.
I can't see Jyggalagg stacking his books the way Herma Mora does, or letting so many of them be underwater, or posting such chaotic-ugly creatures as Seekers and Lurkers as librarians or guards. His aesthetic's totally different.
It depends on what you find more all-encompassing; rows upon rows of rigorously organized mathematical formulae, transcribed upon silvered glass so as to be aligned with each other and reveal every single truth in the universe, past, present, and future; or a realm consisting of every book ever written, every story every told, truth and lie, madness and brilliance, all lying in a great pile without logic or reason, all of it weeping ink into the black oceans above and below.
I was under the assumption that jyggalag’s library was filled with knowledge that he himself had essentially deduced because he’s a big brain boy who don’t need no books whereas apocrypha is basically just the internet but with magic and a slimy tentacle monster that will literally give you the power to control the minds of those around you in exchange for a fairytale he hasn’t heard before
I'm so happy Haskill has his own video! He's awesome!
I like how his name is "Has Skill"
Thanks for doing this video! I’ve always been curious about Haskill. Such an oddly dull man always at the side of the Mad God.
Sheogorath does say that Haskill is just as mad as any other resident of the isles.
Probably because he sees all the insanity around him and doesn't break, panic, or run away. That level of mental fortitude is in itself a kind of madness.
Give Haskill an inch, you're already kidnapped into madness
"The saying a method to one's madness means that despite acting in a strange way, a person is working towards achieving a reasonable goal, and has a strategy to get there."
So Haskill is the method? I kind of love it.
It’s so cool how all three of the fudgemuppet boys each have their favorite aspects of lore and their own respective expertise, like how Drew and his beard are the Daedrologist. These videos have been carrying me through 2020, they’re that good. I’m okay with all the awful things that happened to me, losing a son, finding out he wasn’t actually my son, so many other things, because I can come home after translating german for 8 hours to dive into a FM video and forget all these things around me. My ninjas Drew, Scotty, and Mike are Daedric Princes, each one.
I haven't been this early since Jyggalag ruled over the Shivering Isles
Me: **chilling outside watching TH-cam**
FudgeMuppet: **uploads video about the Shivering Isles**
Me: Hold up, i'll get my cheese
Haskill 'bout to teach a fashion lesson
He's merely one hell of a butler
its funny how jyggalags own chamberlain went insane due to the overwhelming sense of order his late master had, further adding to the dichotomy of the shivering isles. how constant order can break the mind especially order without purpose
Haskill might be an eternal part of the realm of madness because Order is ultimately the highest form of madness. For what could be more mad then to attempt to sort madness? To bring together randomness, insanity, and spontaneous and force it into a pretty order, would take quite the madman.
“Fish stick, a very delicate state of mind”
Amazing.. simply amazing.. I was captivated the entire video! Well done sir!.. Well done!!
HasSkill is the jailer, one of Molag Bal's vampire Lords in disguise, that's why they look like Bill Nighy in my memories, they were a HasSkill once. Because I have NO SKILL!!!
Haskill is dangerously close to CHIM judging by the whole “characters in an unknown entity’s game”
Saw my boy Haskill and had to click!
*i think haskill is the curse itself*
as in a daedra that personifies the curse on jyggalag
Hes not that organized. If you complete the shivering isles main quest before you complete the sheogorath shrine quest back in cyrodiil. When you make your offering. He remarks that praying to yourself, to give yourself a quest is your business. Since youre the boss. Upon completion he remarks that you probably didnt need to go through all that. And that he shouldve remembered to just give you wabbajack.
In some respects even trying to keep the Madgod's house in order might make him the maddest person on the shivering isles. Minus Sheogorath himself of course.
I love all the videos about the shivering isles and sheogorath
Last time I was this early, Redguards were still living on Yokuda.
The Shivering Isles is still Bethesda’s best DLC to date. I will never not love it. Oh how I wish I could play it for the first time again.
Perhaps Haskill was the means by which Jyggalag was cursed with madness. The other daedra pushed a mortal to seek perfect order in such extremes that it became a form of madness, mantling Jyggalag while also cursing him with madness creating Sheogorath
I always thaught haskil was like sheogoraths barbus
This is what I'm thinking too. Haskill is kind of like a leash on Sheogorath's extreme tencdencies, the same way Barbas is a leash on Clavicus Vile's. I figure he's as necessary to the Madgod's existence as Barbas is for the Wishmaster's.
always a pleasure.
Fun fact: The VA for Haskill is also the one who did the voice for Sheogorath in Morrowind, and in Oblivion Haskill mentions that when Sheogorath is busy he usually "fills in" to his duties, hence when he speaks to you during and after the dlc at Sheogorath's shrine
Ahh Haskill one if my favorite characters also the transition of the room one of my favorite things I've seen.
Great video Fudge, you always make such great videos to watch especially when it's on Oblivion lore!
Ive got a head cannon that you are an imortal daedra who was once under harmasus mora but was a le to escape from his relm and now you are a historian who first hand interviews the heroes of tamriel doing your best to peice together a detailed timeline of events for the universe
Perhaps the Hero of Kvatch is not doomed to be Sheogorath forever, and will some day become a being like Haskill: a separate, independent entity that once Mantled the Mad God.
Nah the whole Jyggalag and Sheo never ending cycle is already broken, Sheogorath now will always be Sheogorath
Always a pleasure.
He was a butterfly that sheigorath had mantle him.
"Haskil is professionalism made manifest"
Me: *I've found my new god to worship!!!!!!!* 😍😍😍
The curious case of Barbas next? Nice video btw!
Haskill even attempting his job is good enough proof to call him crazy.
Theory: Haskill... _has killed._
I always looked at Haskill as being the tiny shred of Jyggalag that remained within Sheogorarh and, conversely, that obsessive shred of madness within Jyggalag do it's possible that it's that tiny speck of both that Haskill retained from his enmantling.
I'm more interested in WHAT Haskil is than who. My personal theory is that he's kind of an ancor point. When Sheogorath is in charge he is the small piece of order that keeps the chaos held togeather and during The Grey March he's the small fragment of Chaos that stops The Grey March from completly destroying everything. Thus how he was there "From the begining".
That's what I'm thinking. Haskill seems like a kind of halfway point between Sheogorath and Jyggalagg, so it actually makes sense that he'd be the axis around which the whole curse revolves.
Daedra can't create or destroy, so we can't just blink him out of existence. After the Hero of Kvatch mantles, I assume Haskill either stays around for the transitional period and then returns to wherever he came from, or Herogorath just decides to keep him around because we like him.
Madness can come in many shapes and forms...
Always thought he was a mortal turned ALMOST into a like Barnabas role. But with much less power than Doggy B as he’s like literally half of Vile basically. As to how Haskill achieved this idk
Sheogorath just chills at the entrance of Cyrodiil in eso.
I think that Haskill and Dyus are both similar to Barbas. Sheogorath and Jygalag both wanted and right-hand man so they took a little bit of themselves and shaped it into a unique Daedra suited to their purposes.
I remember a fanfic I read once that said Haskill was a dragon, one that gave itself up to the mad god to allow the others including Alduin to pass through the shivering isles on their way to mundus, as tasked by Akatosh, before Alduin's descent into tyrannical rule. It was kind of an alternate story to Skyrim, where Alduin had bested the Dragonborn.
Sheogorath wanted mortals to survive so he could continue to be entertained, so he ferried them through, and tasked Haskill with defending the gate, allowing Haskill to unleash his full power there (a Dragon empowered by the mad god). (Part of the theory why he usually acts amicable to the player, as they are usually the only thing keeping mundus safe at such times, so he gets to keep his entertainment. You're already doing him a favor carrying out your destiny essentially.)
What if, hear me out, Haskill is the true god of Order and Madness?
Because nobody can become Azura, nobody can become Dagon, nobody can become Mephala.
But Champions taking up the mantle of 'become crazy (with power)'?
Voluntary?
That just reeks of Daedra.
There’s only one chamberlain, split in two by the same curse as Sheargorath.
Haskill is a very memorable Character I Loved how he spoke amazing Character design
Trying to impose order on The Shivering Isles is by definition *CRAZY.*
i like to think hes the literal shadow of sheogorath, the broken remains of a cursed god of order, the one peice of him that will never go away. Like jyggalags power was doomed to chaos, and haskill is his broken consciousness watching it all happen over and over again...
the greymarch, the jyggalag we fight, the sheogorath we meet is just his thoughts going in a mad endless loop, while haskill must always be around to tidy things up and serve.
2:50 he says that like we have the same knowledge as a daedra lmao
I have a feeling that Haskill and Dyus were one once. And that mortal mantled both the MadGod and Jyggalag as part of the deadra princes curse upon him in a forgotten Kalpa, a kalpa home to Mytheria. After taking on the role of two Gods, both intrinsically opposite yet with eerie similarities, he became split as a result and became a Vestige. His Anuic Animus now corrupted by Padomaic Vestige/Chaotic Creation mixed with the curse placed upon the original split him into separate entities as a result.
I wish I got to enjoy this when it came out.
The Chamberlains are like the two little dots of a yin-yang
Considering how Sheogorath in Morrowind has Haskill's voice, my headcanon is that Haskill is a split-off part of Sheogorath himself, like Barbas is to Clavicus Vile
I remember first seeing the gatekeeper it was scary as hell
I almost kind of thought that he was the smallest sliver of jyggalag and that Haskins is the key the grey march
Dude I just got done with the shivering isles quest in Oblvion, you're like a mind reader o__o
It would be cool if it turns out Haskil is a Fragment that was created when Jyga turned into Sheo and is there as Jyga's imprint on Sheo to witness the chaos and made to participate. Given enough Chaos, order tends to happen eventually even if for a moment.
I always suspected Haskill to secretly be another Daedric prince.
He's definitely a Daedra, though I don't think he's a Prince.
Unless he's an aspect of Jyggalagg, compartmentalized into a whole separate character so that Sheogorath can be Sheogorath.
Finally, a Haskill video
Before i watch this. I always figured Haskil was actually a part of jyggalag or atleast one of his followers. Which is why he is the only one that has any order in a chaotic world.
The Sheo we meet in TES V is our Character in TES IV.
This is probably a stretch but could he be a vestige of the prince of order? But one created right before the curse and brought over to madness? Or perhaps a vestige that Sheogorath keeps around because there's that little part of him that's still the prince of order?
Maybe Haskill was a previous attempt at breaking the Greymarch but he wasn't actually strong enough so instead of breaking Jyggalag and Sheogorath apart he ended up just getting shattered himself.
And what if Haskill is a dormant part of Sheogorath? What if he is actually Jyggelag watching over Sheogorath and his realm (keeping it in order) in waiting for a champion who can mantle the mad god aspect of Sheogorath, so that Jyggelag can break free and become himself again. As an advisor of Sheogorath he can both be the voice of reason and advise him to summon a champion in order to break the cycle of the Greymarch,
I’ve always wondered how hard do u have to worship a daedric prince like Azura for example, to gain access to their realm (moonshadow) after life. Like if I lived in TES universe and I have a shrine to Azura in my basement and pray to her twice a day am I going to have an afterlife in moonshadow. SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER I GOTS TO KNOW
Given Sheogorath's tendency to will things into existence on any and all whims, it may be more likely that the Haskill we meet is something akin to a clone, a duplicate of the Haskill that mantled, rather than the 'original.' Since mantling would suggest the original Haskill ceased to be, with Sheogorath entirely supplanting him in body and soul, it's entirely possible that the Madgod had what we might call a pang of nostalgia upon the mantling, in the process willing a version of himself back into independent existence, but as a daedric vestige since Haskill's soul was now Sheogorath.
For that matter, Dyus could be a similar case, with Jyggalag manifesting a vestige duplicate of a mortal that mantled him as a means to first keep his library, then manage anything he didn't feel like dealing with. In this case, both Haskill and Dyus would technically have always been vestiges, never having been the Haskill and Dyus who existed prior to mantling, but would rather be replicated manifestations of those effectively-gone former-mortals.
I find it interesting that, this coincided with the oblivian crisis. The god of destruction was going to destroy tamriel and the god of order was going to do the same to the shivering isles.
I'd be super interested in a video that discusses political alliances of the different races/cultures of tamriel. It could be how and why different cultures align with each other or against each other and how they've changed over time, and what alliances have been the most beneficial or long lasting.
I hated that in skyrim they did haskill dirty. Made him a mad vagrant.
Much better as the only sane guy in the realm of madness, that's insane in its own sense.
Plus he's the only one who always survives, always continues, always serves as the perfect chamberlain.
Because what is the definition of madness again?