What Happened to Shaman King?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2024
- Discussing the weird history of Shaman King's anime and its manga ending.
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How would you rate Shaman King? What did you think of the ending?
8-9/10 the ending was okay but a little underwhelming from what I remember but the extra epilogue chapters were great
Shaman King is among my favorite manga. I rate it like an 8 . . . Maybe. The ending is perfect to me. It reflects well on the story's themes that violence doesn't resolve the conflict. It also isn't your typical ending of defeating the villain or achieving the MC goal.
I had the honor of meeting Hiroyuki Takei. He signed Shaman King #1 for me and he even brought me 3 art panels. 1 of them he drew in front of me himself. We had lunch together and i got to ask him a bunch of questions. Such a great guy, super nice and down to earth. I love this series so much its the only tattoo i have. Also the ending fits very very well. 10/10
I loved it all the way through personally, the ending I thought was fine and there were some slow parts, but with Hao, Yoh and the main side characters, were all great to me. It really did get the short end of the stick for anime though. If only it got that Dragon quest animation and love. I give it an 8-9/10. They focused on truly resolving conflict and I loved it. Might be a hot take, but I actually thought most of the fights were great, hao vs the x-laws was sick to me. The art is also amazing.
I actually like the tournament arc. The more you go into the tournament, the more unpredictable it is. Characters die left and right to emphasize how ruthless Hao is. Also, at that point, I know that some characters are not meant to be flesh out further. For example, the X-Laws & Gandara members are there to show you how even the strongest can fall + some other unexpected development in the story. I truly feel that (other than Yoh) no one is really safe from Hao. He can just decide to come and murder _any_ character on a slow day. He's like Chrollo but his mind is much older & wiser + more active.
one of the few mangas where the main villain wins in the end and becomes the shaman king.
Fun fact: Shaman king was owned by Shueisha but years later they sold the franchise to kodancha the magazine company who owns weekly shonen magazine.
I see, so Yoh gets to shake hands with Strawhat AND Salamander.
@@supercoolmaniajon265@supercoolmaniajon265 Yoh eas in a couple Shonen Jump crossover games with Luffy, Gon, Naruto, Jotaro, etc. In one game, Yoh had a pair attack with Ichigo from Bleach while Anna had one with Yusuke from Yu Yu Hakusho
* Shaman
Not really, in Japan manga are creator owned so a company cant "sell a franchise" it was the author who left Sueisha and went to Kodansha
I also believe Silva is the best character in Shaman king and his team of animals spirit are so cute. The thing is , people tend to neglect that a storyline of manga not just depends on mangaka but also the editor assigned to them. Like in weekly release series, mangaka will met editor each week , to discuss about storyboard , paneling , characters , proof read and where the plot, battle or twist in that week will move the narrative. Some editor just let the mangakas fully decide whatever they want, but some will pitch ideas to assist, or make the story flow better as a 2ndary reader. Also bear in mind , mangaka might have talent to draw but to put out strong and good overall storyline is another type of talent which they might don't have. Thus the reason some mangaka collabrate with writer for a manga. But the struggle and commitment for weekly release is something else
If anything, Anna of course was brutal but just trying to get the best of the power being the fiancé of Shaman King.
Shaman king was popular in Hungary. It aired reruns till 2009. on Jetix.
A fellow hungaria perhaps ?
@@pazbrian7218 igen😁
@@jadenkudo3008 😏 GYAAAAA
Yeah, in Serbia too. I loved it.
In Poland as well!
The worst about shaman king is by far the pacing, Not only do characters New abilities and Recover from exhaustion on an hourly basis but the mangaka notices that problem and adjusts it by plot devices like healers and the whole "rebirth makes your stronger" which feels rushed more often than it feels like it fits the Situation. This also adds the problem of meaningsless deaths and sacrifices since death itself bares little to no weight and is ultimatly a good thing for the individual who dies. This leads to the weird point where a selfless sacrifice is almost an act of selfishness if that makes sense
I think the overall concept fits with Shamism and the overall relationship between the Character and the realm of spirit and interpret as the closer the relationship is depending on the culture the stronger the spiritual abilities are which being a near death state makes you closer to being a spiritual state
I’m very surprised you didn’t mention Hao. I don’t think this series is a masterpiece but Yoh and Hao absolutely carry it and they’re one of my favourite protag and antag duos ever
You ever check out Ultimo? Wild Tekai got to do a Marvel Collab before western-manga collabs became a lot more common.
I mean the whole entire premise of Shaman King is to be the Shaman King by winning the Shaman Tournament so the action is an important aspect of the series even if you felt it wasn't it's strongest point. Personally I really enjoyed it, as someone that is super into world cultures, history, mythologies, folklore, superstitions, fantasy, spirituality, etc Shaman King did a really good job of expressing these cultures, while being respectful and applying it's own fun interpretation, a great plains Indian using a totem pole cannon or kachina dolls, a Daoist using corpses to create Jiangshi, an Ainu using forest spirits, the Gandara using bodhisattva's, Jeanne (based on Joan of Arc) and her team uses Angels (biblically accurate, as some are described like machines), etc, etc. And seeing this much diversity in an early 2000's anime is really amazing
Why you yapping bro? 💀
You brought up a good point I can't think of many series where they have native people involved in the story to such a degree besides like Golden Kamuy and Vinland Saga
Tbh i wish shaman king was a bit more popular its a shame since it had so much potential
Gunna need these videos for Rave Master and Zatch Bell
I actually enjoyed the original 2001 anime adaption of it, along with the original characters for it.
This was my inspiration for becoming a mangaka, Hiroyuki Takei is my fav.
From what I remember, the new anime also kinda sped through the story a little
I liked the main cast and other side characters a lot plus one of the best antagonists throughout shonen to me with Hao, but the ending kinda had me at a lack of words and overall enjoyed it
That's fair. I'm not a fan of this 2021 adaption
@@yusifudo46 I was talking about the manga more than anything and not a fan of the 2021 adaption either
@@yusifudo46sk never had a good Adaptation
Man, I really enjoyed Shaman King when I was younger. Just like you said, the beginning was so good and something I adored. But... yeah... I fell off with the tournament arc/fights. I wanted to like it because I loved the beginning and thought the concept was so cool but I just... couldn't. Man, I wish It got a better second half. I would have loved to see what it would have become if it followed the same charm as the beginning.
I loved Shaman King, I use to get “Shonen Jump” magazine monthly and its art work and story blew me away. I’m disappointed in the Netflix remake because it could’ve gotten the recognition it deserved in the west if the animation was on point. (Also Yoh’s voice actor was trash).
Do u mean English or Japanese voice actor?
@@英雄之剑 English, his voice was too girly for a guy his age
@@Ignoreduserthat's most Shonen Dub VAs or young boys being voiced by women
@@murderman8578 my issue isn’t that it’s voiced by a woman, my issue is that it’s too girly and doesn’t fit the character.
Been meaning to get around to the manga for a while. I watched the original anime on 4kids way back when and the 2021 reboot. 2021 was trash. Pacing felt off, visuals were ugly (at least to me anyway), and the animation was near non-existent. It's just a bunch of slideshows. I remember reading some years ago that Mappa wanted to do the remake, but Takei shot it down multiple times because he wanted the VAs from the old anime back first. Imagine if they had got it instead of Bridge (have they even made anything worthwhile?). Maybe it wouldn't be like JJK big, but it could've popped off huge.
Also, Air Gear is the real "2000s the manga"
Bridge making Yugioh now, which is really good. That's why I was more disappointed when started watching the reboot. I dropped it after 5 episode.
Agree about air gear
Shaman King is 100% carried by Hao. If the anime adaptations were more well known he’d be seen in the same way people view other top tier shonen villains like Aizen, Dio, Madara etc
I just wish Yo was more than him shooting off a boring energy slash....
🤔can’t wait
I had the opposite feeling. The early parts are slow and don't have much thematic payoff. Much prefer the melodrama and over the top events of the second half.
i love the concept of making a spirit inhibit an item to boost the power of that said item's user. thats the same reason why i was drawn in to soul eater too.
anyone have recommendations of shows that kind of do that?
i like shaman king's more because the spirit that comes to them has a natural link to them. tbh i thought manta's medium would be his laptop with his spirit using tech/internet as weapon of sorts.
I always viewed the beginning as being to slow amd random i viewed the later half as when the story finally picks up
I think that Shaman King is the only Shonen from my childhood that I realised its shit from the perspectice of my older self 😂 I dont know if it was the new adaptation or because Im too deep in Shonen sauce to enjoy an original recipe shonen, but it feels so bellow average now later in life in a way that the other shonen I grew up with don't, they withstand the test of time and the changes in my taste as I get older...
Shaman King is an amazing cult classic!! Easily on my top 5 anime ever :D
I love the series and while i agree that it gets slow during the tournament arc, I think the issue is when the only way to increase strength was to die essentially, the story repeats those plot beats for every character so they can become stronger and it just takes away alot of the weight since there are no stakes at that point, the story does not pick up again until they enter the great spirit to fight Hao. as for the ending i loved it and really was beautiful in my opinion
a shaman king, bleach, jjk and yu yu hakusho crossover would be interesting
Can Yoh spirit form Ichigo
I loved philosophy, culture and spirtiuality of Shaman King. Even the ending. I cant quite put it into words but as a Mexican person i related a lot to the lessons that i learned in this manga. Frienship, family, cultural practices. I loved and enjoyed thst i could see different types in that Manga especially back then when the internet was just starting out. It made it so special to discover the many different cultures and ways of thinking, through Takeis eyes of course some came off a bit stereotypical but at the time it made me feel more curious about other cultures and how we can connect together through compassion and purpose.
I still love it
I have... thoughts about the ending. It's kind of in that exceptionally rare Evangelion sort of situation where I both love parts of it and hate parts of it. I'm certainly not ambivalent.
What do I love? Well, spoiler to a decades-old manga, Hao wins. (Which is also the core part about what I hate about it, but stick a feather in that...) Hao is a villain unlike nearly any other I've ever seen. He's up there with Darkseid and Sauron as far as I'm concerned, who are some of the only fictional villains I can think of that work on a similar principle: you can't beat them. They're ideas more so than temporal entities... powerful as their manifestations might be.
Hao is the perfect final boss for the story he's in because he is in some way a dark reflection of every character. He reflects Ren's inter-family conflict, HoroHoro's laments over the imbalances between humanity and nature, Lyserg's desire to use violence to set right past wrongs, Ryu being an outcast who adopts other outcasts into a brotherhood, Faust's happy life ruined by senseless tragedy, Chocolove's callousness towards the lives of those he saw as beneath him (at least back in his gangster days), and so on. If a character is even _remotely_ explored, you'll find some kind of parallel to the main antagonist. I could find some _Tamao_ parallels if I thought about it.
It would be _so easy_ for a villain like Hao to get his comeuppance in the end at the hands of characters who have grown out of their past flaws. I kinda' don't blame the original anime for, in the absence of source material, assuming that's where the story was going. Virtually every other villain works this way, especially in shonen manga. But not Hao. Not if you paid attention to the way the story worked. Defeating Hao isn't the point. In fact, it's routinely suggested that beating him up is either impossible or is at best making him someone else's problem down the line. He's basically a god, up to and including but not limited to being able to read your very soul. You don't _kill_ him. You _save_ him... which despite its uniqueness to the genre unfortunately leads into what I _don't_ like about the ending.
I don't buy for a second that anything that happened in the final "fight" was enough to convince Hao to _not_ glass the planet. The way I imagine the end of the series, he basically _does_ glass the planet sometime later down the line, as he sort of implies he _still intends to do,_ and there's naught but tiddlywinks the good guys can do about it. Our heroes, and by extension our species are, in a word, fu[dg]ed. I do not want to live in the world of _Shaman King's_ aftermath whose continued existence as we know it dances on the knife edge of the whim of a _very_ troubled mass murdering teenager.
Even if we wanted to make the world a better place, there's still enough screw-ups and malcontents out there that it wouldn't be good enough for King Hao. I don't buy that Hao, as we have been shown who he is, would be gracious enough to not torch the planet and start over just because we can't make the world into the paradise he wants, and it's entirely plausible to assume he still thinks this way. People suck. ...Granted. Doesn't justify genocide. A lot of people know that people suck. We live with it, deal with it, and convince people to suck less where and when we can (which is _Yoh's_ ideology, incidentally), while forcefully defending ourselves against those who cross certain thresholds of harm (...which is _Lyserg's_ ideology). That is literally the best we can ethically do. Emphasis on "ethically." The fact that Hao is literally an elder sibling (a "Big Brother", if you will), and one with telepathy no less, does _not_ help the feeling I get that Hao could essentially become a one-man Orw3llian police state. I think of the first episode of _Death Note,_ where Light Yagami proclaims that he wants to use the power of having a Death Note to make the world a better place by killing all the evil people. To which Ryuk, a shinigami who knew _exactly_ where this was going, simply pointed out that Light would be the only person who would be left standing in his new world.
Did Hao genuinely mellow out? Is there something I'm missing about the ending? I really hope so. There are aspects and implications that _really_ rub me the wrong way about it all.
It ended, that what happen my boy
His art work changed so much. , ulimto is a another book made by this author and Stan Lee
What happened to shame king? It had a proper ending as far as I remember but I only watched the original anime back in the day. Never read the manga or watched the new anime
How that was a proper ending?
If I recall, the old anime ends in a very open ending.
No mention of my boy, Faust. Tragic.
Shaman King did what Jjk is trying to do
If that was the case Sukuna would have won by now lol
This review is pretty good. But it didn't tackle Hao, the actual ending in the 2008, or Osorezan, which is beloved by fans exactly because of the character arcs. Hao has one of the best characters too, his ending is incredibly appropriate in my opinion too. But i do have to add that the non stop fighting and the bland side characters do drag the series down. I think Ryu, Faust and Lyserg get nothign to do since like chapter 160 until the ending.
I really want to see the Anime adaptation of karakuridoji Ultimo, the Manga where Takei collaborated with Stan Lee, by the same studio
I mean its still good it did became not about becoming the shaman king but derailed and about people and philosophies interacting. So they dont have to be the deepest, they just need to, i mean it represents various philosophies well.
If yeah spirits are better than mecha. But its in character to have not the usual ending and making sense.
Through yah early is best. And at the end you could argue for silva he is mind controlled?! for real
Shaman king was one of the first dub anime I ever watched when I was a kid...
I pray a better remake happens for shaman king the 2022 is just terrible. The 2001 is superior but I wish it was not forced to make a original ending. I’m glad there’s a small group of people who care for shaman king
10:20 bro I ain’t gonna lie… I forgot he existed lol. His dowsing was cool but that was it.
I’m the hardcore fan you’re talking about. You’re correct! Lyserg sucks.
The weakest parts of Shaman King to me are both of the anime adaptations. I think the manga is great. It does suffer from the WSJ too many characters issue, but it [kind of] works due to Shaman King putting emphasis on different cultures and primarily only covering one major event. My biggest issue is that there's a sequel series that does my most hated trope: next in the family line who's better just because they were born that way. Til this day I believe the manga would've taken off in popularity if the anime was more faithful with better production.
Honestly the Sequel is pretty solid and don't mind the trope with how it's written
I loved the first, Shamash sealing SoF--tried to and got f'ed up.
The first one used the right colors and tone. The recent one is just too bright and colorful, for a show about the dead and spirits.
@GenJuhru I completely agree with the color issue. Aso, Shaman King looks better with a sketchy and angular look. It would've been good to get the style the manga had in the beginning or the style it ended on. The style they chose is less expressive than both. Everything feels stiff and soft.
I love the 2001 anime
10K 1mo 18.9K subs
I love the ending, it's one of those rare ending where the villain technically win in the end, I love how they show various pilosophies and how there's no truly evil person.
Tho I did agree the pacing midway the series is really bad and the fights are lame
As much as I love shaman king, I have to admit it’s genuinely got some of the worst luck I’ve ever seen for a shonen manga.
Cancellations for the original runs of the og manga AND it’s sequels and having no anime that truly do the manga any sort of justice. It really is a shame
Speaking of poorly paced adaptions you ever heard of hoshin engi 23 volumes adapted into 23 episodes
I read Hoshin and it was decent but the final arc kinda sucks
The Old Anime has the same problem
The music in the background going “eeeuuuugh” every 20 seconds is so so so so annoying
The new anime was great. Idk what you’re talking about
I disagree.
Shaman King 👑 2021 Dub ❤