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BRO.. YOU are prolly the very few who completely understood Bleach Woah...! Preach Brother Preach! WE NEED ABOUT A MILLION MORE like you who perfectly knows his way through the serie. You know Bleach has been hyped for the Superficial reasons which aren't even it's strongest Points, for soo long, ...people always had wrong Expectations from BLEACH, ...Good to see you went into it, With no Expectations, just like me (i usually do this cuz it makes me enjoy the serie to the full, even the worst of Series 😂)
@@TheRockerX The thing with FMA and Code Geas is that they didn't have to deal with leaks and they tied all the themes and characters they developed. Hell, Code Geass had a messy final arc but the ending literally undid all the cristicisms it was building up.
It's not a paradox, it's not a problem of the readers, it's a simple storytelling issue: Falling Action. Not in terms of fighting, but in terms of story complexity. Most of these series takes years to build, establishing a world, characters, conflicts, relationships, etc. However, while frenetic action, suspense and mystery are great in building worlds up, they sucks when winding things down. The better a story is in its build-up, the greater care needs to be taken when winding it down, making sure that there is enough action and conflict even during the wrap-up. However, that is almost never the case. Once the BBEG is defeated, there are no secondary conflicts to let the story come down slowly. The story just ends. It's like sex without the aftercare. There is a great and easy way authors can avoid doing this, all they need to
I 100 percent agree with this and I think the burnout authors suffer under shueisha has it that by the time they reach the climax they simply speedrun the falling action by putting it all into one war arc before calling it a day.
This is a good point but its kind of ignoring the other factors that come into play when people regard an ending. Like character conclusions or how well the final conflict was even handled. Once a conflict that has been build up to ends, most readers would already feel more or less relieved and there is not really much of a need for more conflicts for the story.
I personally think mha's ending concluded pretty well for a lot of its characters. I didn't except more from yagi, bakugo, the todorokis, uravity etc. I think they pretty much fulfilled their arcs. my 2 let downs were deku and shigiraki mostly for how little agency they had for the last stretch of the story. I don't really get the McDonald's joke, is the implication dekus end was akin to working minimum wage? I mean his gets to be somewhat of a hero both in the classroom and out of it....people must have had some big dreams for our boy 🤣.
@@SirSov3r3ign Absolutely! This is the exact reason! It's understandable that authors feel burnout by churning out issues week after week for years at end and just grow physically and emotionally exhausted. The idea of writing an entire arc for falling action must seem unbearable to them so they end it exactly with the biggest arc, instead of delving into a last, wrap-up arc with a smaller-scale conflict driving it.
@@EthanZheKaiSinghBlss The point of falling action is to wrap-up character arcs, plot threads, and the fallout of the climax to give the story a feeling of completion. If a story can do that in the main arc, that's great but it requires significant planning, such as "Full Metal Alchemist". The reason we're talking about Battle Shonen is because they spend too much time in building up the conflict and too little time resolving it.
I guess the thing that keeps surprising me is just how people will unceremonously switch up their stance and begin mocking the works that they loved so much before at the first sigh of a controversial ending, and will refuse to try to engage with the art in a more positive light. The ammount of toxicity Horikoshi, Akutami, Isayama, Kishimoto, Kubo and others have received from former fans is bonkers. Hardly ever conclusions for popular media are perfect, but hardly ever are as bad as people make them out to be.
imo alot of those mangas already has alot of fans who started to hate it in the dozen or so last chapters, i don't think their opinions changed just because the ending.
Jjk was never a great series due to the wierd author decisions that ruined character development and the narrative possibilities but many fanboys didn't want to accept that the problems became apparent in shibuya and the Next arcs
@@fawazfaruqui5198 FMA's story was about Ed's quest to correct a mistake that he and his brother made long ago. He became an alchemist for that reason. Being an alchemist didn't define him, but what he sacrificed did. Once he saw an opportunity to obtain everything he wanted, he didn't _need_ to be the "Fullmetal Alchemist" anymore. In MHA's case, Deku was _defined_ by his status as a hero. He wanted to be like All Might: the Symbol of Peace. He achieved some semblance of that, but the world eventually understood that relying on a singular figure to secure peace is unsustainable. The world didn't need someone like All Might anymore. In other words, the world didn't need Deku's goal. He may have defeated the big bad, but does that make him #1? It became less about how _Deku_ became the #1 Hero/Symbol of Peace and more about how _Class 1-A_ became the _Symbols_ of Peace. The goalpost changed over time, which is what makes the final message a little strange to me. It's an understandable evolution of the goal, though, nevertheless.
I’m pretty sure that the author had the whole ending and a large general plan for the entire series before starting to write it. Planning out your story helps a ton
@@ursaminor2732I don’t see how it contradicts at all. By all accounts Deku was the #1 hero (just not officially), but the entire world knows he was the top hero and the only one capable of saving everyone. The even wrap the whole thing up in a nice bow, deku was told he could be a hero by being given OFA. At the end of the series OFA is gone, but he can still be a hero (hero enough to mentor young heroes and hero enough to go out there and save people himself) The whole point of the series is to change the definition of what a hero is/looks like
I think the best example I've seen of people zeroing in on one aspect of a story was with Yuji at the ending, seeing some people here and there say that they're disappointed that Yuji isn't going out on missions alone considering his strength...and I had to sit there and wonder if these people read the story at all, ESPECIALLY Hidden Inventory, cuz that would've flew in the face of everything
The final chapter also shows that fated battles to save the world are not what makes a difference: it’s lending a hand! Helping people who are scared, and lifting people out of despair
@@bananabanana484 A big part of why I genuinely love the ending, Yuji found the new path for the "strongest" that Gojo thought he'd find, one that wouldn't allow for what happened to Geto to happen again
it just shows that alot of people have such a hard on for the 'big strong do it all on his own protagonist' that they lose common sense. It's like being mad at Guts for caring about Casca above anything else or at Batman for caring about his kids
I really appreciate the nuanced look at series like jjk and bleach, which often get oversimplified and over hated by their own fans. I think a better term for ‘bad ending’ is ‘controversial ending’, since you’ll always find people who really enjoyed the endings everyone calls bad
I think bleach and jjk had a better ending than naruto. I love all 3 but naruto is about the journey not the destination...really ruined its ending to make boruto. Which i enjoy reading boruto but im going off topic now so anyways...ya jjk ending isnt bad to me at all
By that logic, then what’s a bad ending if everything is controversial? Nothing is ever pure black or white after all, anything will have likers or haters.
@@unioneye1087 Promised neverland, Seven deadly sins, darling franXX, were pretty uncontroversial bad endings. But yeah, you’re right in the sense that most bad endings of popular series are going to be divisive in some way.
@@beaneater4277 I mean literally not a single character had any worth in JJK. I don't even know what was the point of the whole manga. At the end you look back at it and see bunch of fights. Actually, no, Inventory arc is the only one that had good clear narrative and character progression. Yuji vs Mahito. Junpei too. But the rest of the story wasted all meaning of it. So many threads abandoned. You can't name it anything but bad, even if someone could enjoy it on a basic level.
@miramaxcinemax5512 lol that's one way of seeing it..but i feel like i have a more in-depth perspective..although im not to good with my words so im not going to try to explain it..plenty of others feel the same and can express mutual feelings about it here on yt
I think the best way to handle manga endings is simple: 1: Don't go into leaks 2: Stay off the fandom to form your own opinion 3: Think if you personally enjoyed it or not
no, stay off the anime fandoms in general. They’re all toxic, i haven never seen in 10 years a anime fandom that allows you to have an opinion without attacking you and that doesn’t work like an echo-chamber (people in it hating or loving something cause others do).
25:18 BRO someone said it My hero’s ending has me Pissed off not cuz I hated it but because I feel like every time. It’s brought people will JUST lie Like IVE had WAYY to many people telling me Midoriyas friends abandoned him for 8 years
The funny part is that there were already people on youtube like certain reaction channels who roughly predicted the ending the story before it happened. How you may ask? By paying attention to the characters, story, themes, symbolism, and overall narrative of the series and using their brain to come up with a logical conclusion to it ☠ People who say the ending is ''garbage'' or that it came out of nowhere never read MHA and it shows.
Yeah they didnt, they were just busy and being adults. Which yiould ve communicated better, i guess, but isnt bad, and its a good end, mostly. Demon slayer has a good ending thou, and as does , ok an ending that doesnt ruin the theme and characters, is good. Still JJK is a terrible end making death meaningless in a story that , like is very edgy. Why?That is a skill and or editor nd or tonal issue.
The other thing is that it's obvious Kugisaki wasn't in the original plans to come back. When you hear all of Gege's previous interviews you can tell he had no intention of reviving her.
she wasn't revived, when she was taken out a character specificaly showed up and said that he'd given her a chance of survival and then she's never mentioned again if yall thought she was dead it's your own fault.
13:52- Notably, Tousen went against his Shinigami core by discarding the use of his Bankai in favor of using Visored and eventually Hollow powers, Aizen discards his Zanpakuto abilities in favor of the Hogyoku that eventually makes him into unrecognizable hollow-like monster before his final defeat, and Yhwach takes the Mimihagi, which is a Soul King power that sided with the Shinigami over his own Quincy heritage- each going against their core selves for the sake of gaining power.
24:27 I was also around during the AOT manga ending era. I'll never forget how much damage that "leaker" did to the perception of AOT's ending. To this day, there's still folks who unironically think Eren literally turned into a bird. All because of a bad faith leaker.
13:45- notice that notable villains such as Szayel, Barragan, Aizen, and the Quincy of the Vandenreich all have powers to either revive themselves from death or prevent death from happening- showing their fear of death
THANK YOU!!! You've said so much about how I feel about MHA. I've had to basically divorce myself from the fandom because the sheer dislike, at times near hate, started to affect how much I enjoyed the series. It's not perfect. Nothing really is. And admittedly, I feel like the series should have had been drawn out more (it's ridiculous when you realize that everything in the series takes place in one year basically!); however, the series never strays away from it core themes and I've found even events that I may personally not really enjoy still make sense within the context. I thought the ending was exceptional. It was everything I needed and wanted. It' so easy to constantly want more, to want something to continue forever, and for problems to 'solved'. But what the series needed was a hopeful point to the future; things will be better. And Horokoshi delivered.
Gurren Lagann had a peak ending. as did FMA: Brotherhood. To all the folks saying: "hurr durr at least we got an ending" Sticking the landing matters. The story is a journey, you cant just act like a shit ending doesnt matter.
Seeing all these endings bring me back to the FMA and Haikyuu endings. Both had such satisfying conclusions that just remembering them hits different so hard.
Why do so many animanga fans want the villain to kill so many people lmao, like that shit does not help them be better written or increase their "aura".
I think it’s mainly due to the fact that the characters in the final battle always have like some final technique that is supposed to kill them and then they just end up surviving easily that. It wasn’t even like no thought out and explained reason why they survived it. It was just oh they survived because why not for example Might guys eight gates battle this was supposed to be his moment where he put everything on the line for his students his friends for his teachers literally 1 of his students JUST died and was supposed to pave way to help beat madara all of that just went out the window all because in that moment, he should’ve died like he had no other purpose to survive like I’m genuinely saying this he should’ve died. It would’ve been a significant sacrifice that everybody knew about SINCE PART 1 OF FUCKIN NARUTO so the fact that Naruto just so happened to randomly get the power to be able to f***ing heal someone like he’s f***ing God is crazy and dumb This could’ve been a moment for might guy and or other characters like Lee, who haven’t gotten much screen time to actually do something relevant for the story instead he just does quite literally nothing because madara was still fine and then he survives anyway so like there was no point in that fight even happening😭🤦🏾♂️ like this was a thing foreshadowed all the way back to part one in the exams everyone knew you’re supposed to die after this technique is used, the author couldn’t even follow through with that instead said no sike he survives
Me when the author decides he doesn't wanna kill a character off for no good reason. And why does it have to be explained besides the characters can heal them? Like that literally would ignore a major part of cursed energy which is rct. Hell everyone dying when they have rct would've been dumber. Same with Guy, Naruto got a new ability and used it, it would've been dumb if he didn't use it. You guys miss how the story isn't always about losing people and people dying lmao.
@Rhenkei we know this but when it’s a random ass ability that we had NO FORESHADOWING FOR or anything sayin they could do that it just feels lik a random “op actually mc can bring people back to life” lik at least with things lik dragon ball where they have these dragons that can grant any wish it doesn’t seem lik a random convenient power up for no reason cuz at the end of the day it’s lik “well we been knew it could do dis”
@@minibluemonkey from what I remember it did receive a lot of criticism when it first dropped but I think people have warmed up to it now similar to the aot situation
beautiful fucking video man best animanga I've seen in so long, kinda of hilarious I was chatting with some friends about this exact thing pretty much coming to the same conclusion.
Gege only did one shots before this. I think he did not even expect it to be picked up as it was said that when Sukuna rips Yuji's heart out at the start, the manga was expected to end. Then it was kept going and going. Plus, weekly pushing out episodes to a story you dont want to work on anymore must be taxing. Gege clearly wanted to move on, he said he wants to do an idol manga. Its like reading a rushed fanfiction vs one that has episodes 2-3 weeks. It hurts my eyes, my heart and my brain all at once... >.> I think it also doesnt help that Anime/ manga community is super degen but JJK fans were next level vile after the Gojo incident... if i already dont want to work on something, and my fans send me death threats, I def will not be in the right mindset to write the next chapter that HAS to go out due weekly press.
I feel like this has to be a myth or Fandom headcanon bc the idea of continuously working on a story you don't like feels contradictory, especially when the industry is known for putting such a physical strain on its creators
@@bobjones9385 You're right, its just a sentiment thats snowballed for JJK and a lot of manga in general. I can only guess but maybe its due to Gege's jokes about Gojo being his least favourite? People parade that as fact and eventually it led to a fake interview where Gege "admits to killing Gojo because he hated him". Same stuff with Gege "hating/being tired of JJK", fans and haters just snowball things until it gets paraded as fact. Like one person on twitter theorized Gege was tired of JJK because of the pacing issues and now people think its something hes actually admitted to.
Is it normal for a youtube video on anime to bring you to tears TWICE? WTF I was NOT prepared for this. The editing is phenomenal but you're WRITING omg how did you make me dig deep and truly feel so many moments and emotions. This mf was pulling out studies and memes to explain anime endings yet also writing absolute cinema.
Then there is me who dropped all of these series you say had bad/divisive endings, way before they came to an end, which makes me feel like the bad ending had nothing to do with leaks, peer-pressure or herd mentality. MHA i dropped by ch250 i think, when the heroes were invading the villains hide out, at that point i was just reading out of inertia and wasn't really enjoying anything outside of Endeavoir since the Hero K**er arc, everything about it bored me to tears; JJK i dropped around the middle of the free for all Sukuna fight, Kashimo is a joke, keep in mind i had dropped the series 3 times before and only came back bc of all the hype and murmurs on twitter, dropped in the Curse Womb Paintings arc, then dropped again in the middle of the Culling Games, then finally dropped this sheet for good in the middle of that convoluted and reateeddd Sukuna fight, only good arcs in my opinion are the Sacred Vessel and Shibuya, the rest go from awful to incompetent, unfocused, hollow or cringe. AoT i dropped twice, once when they're going back to Wall Rose or Maria i think, to go into Eren's basement to find out about the Titan's secret, the second and final time was in the middle of Marley's attack on the island, idk know what it is, but it's really hard for me to get invested in a story if i dislike the characters, then nothing that happens matters to me.
to add about leaks, some people just straight up only read the leaks and not the actual manga chapter. people who just jump from leak to leak and not read the chapters, so any mistake in the leaks will be their reality which can build up the dislike and hate
Exactly! And you add to it that TH-camrs, who may or may not even like the actual story, will try to get on the JJK hype train by quickly reading the leaks to get a chapter discussion up before the chapter even drops so now thousands of ppl in the JJK community are having their initial opinion on the chapter formed by a guy who read leaks before the official chapter even makes it to either of them. It's wild
I like the jjk ending, yeah I wish there was more in the story, so many things were just wasted, but i love it, the mirrored first and final panels felt so good to see. Catharsis, that’s the emotion I felt seeing the final chapter, I liked it. Chapter 269 still fucking sucked though.
I'm happy about what we got. Obviously, there were other things that could have been explored, but nothing we did get was BAD or even mid in my opinion. 269 (my least favorite chapter) wasn't even too bad when considered on its own, but yeah I don't think it deserved to be one of the final 5 chapters. Nonetheless, thank you, Gege Akutami. I will never forget you for as long as I live.
Honestly Gege left WAY too much unanswered to be satisfied. I like when Series have some unexplained stuff so you can keep guessing but they never showed Sukuna’s backstory, Yuji’s Domain name, the ability of Yuji’s domain, etc
Honestly it's a pretty big change but I would've been more satisfied with jjks ending if the final chapter just showed one panel of Kenjaku still alive and out there somewhere. Obviously it wouldn't mean a part 2 necessarily but it would've given me hope since so much of what was unexplored was related to him
@@Sincere_3 To be fair, Yuji's Domain was shoddily put together in the heat of battle. When Sukuna asked him what did he do at the beginning of chapter 265, he couldn't even answer him. And honestly, Sukuna is better off without a backstory. Not every villain needs one if it's not necessary.
Really really well made video. Pretty much agree with everything, the manga that has the worst ending is the one ending right now, without anyone having the time to reflect on it. And because I know this might get overlooked, wanted to highlight the manga edits throughout this video because, wow! Really visually pleasing stuff
Any battle shonen that's ending in the social media era probably, not one in particular. Just something I noticed from fan reception across twitter when things like MHA, AOT, JJK or DBS ended@@murderman8578
It’s the plot threads that weren’t tied up for this one fr. Idk the whole final fight and the way they are meta discussing it in flash backs is weird too but it also really feels like there is more his world that got glossed over. I also didn’t like the final few chapters where the characters were like “we shoulda done this and so and so wouldn’ta died.. 😱” and then someone else is like “if we did that… *I* woulda died… 🫢” and that goes on for like a quarter of a chapter
The leaks only really affected the newer mangas, the main issue with my hero academia is how it went from, "how I became the greatest hero" into, we are all heroes, which sure is a nice sentiment but its too late to pivot when you already place one for all in a pedestal on how important of a power it was supposed to be. Personally mha fell less like ups and downs and more like a carousel and I wanted it to be over like 3 arcs before it did.
Huh? It constantly put the power isn't alone the reason but the individual which is the point of saving with Todoroki vs Deku when Deku wants to give up his power, One For All was created from All For One which in turn are for each other.
@@BabyGirlTiny The power doesn't work if there isn't an individual behind it, you've just contradicted yourself. You need both in order to live with predispositions you've been given in life.
This is, actually good literary analysis. Fair and even handed with criticism and understanding. Good video. Edit: While not every story needs to end with the MC having a wife and kids, MHA hinted at a romance over and over again and then essentially dodged the question in the ending. They basically bunted Uraraka's finally. Yes they could still end up together in the future but showing nothing coming from all that build up was a violation of Chekov's gun. If the romance is never going to be fulfilled or concluded, then dont build it up ahead of time. So yes some shippers are toxic I dont think its wrong to say a series failed to deliver on what it promised, that is a fair criticism.
The romance was more built up for the connection between Ochako and Toga than anything else, how Ochako was suppressing her feelings and Toga could never moderate hers.
@@Biostar96 Wouldn't the most effective culmination of that lesson be for Ochako to _stop_ suppressing her feelings and actually confess to Deku? At the very least, show the fruits of that lesson.
@@twentytwoblue22 No. That is the opposite of what it was trying to say. The whole crux of her thing with Toga, is being able to be open about who you actually are and how you feel. Society forced Toga to conform which led to disastrous results. Something that Ochako was also doing by suppressing her feelings for deku. So the clear message is to not bottle those feelings and instead express them.
@@omarmansuri7099 i get her arc with toga from what I’ve seen and heard. It’s just, I’m gonna be real the second she decided to focus on hero stuff instead of crushing on a boy, said crush seemed to vanish it wasn’t something she was really suppressing. and then we see her develop more with characters like Toga. Ochako expressed her feelings, she wanted to be friends with Toga and now in the end she is making sure others are able to be themselves so no one goes through what toga did
@@Whatever1-e7m I don't care about all that. I'm talking about its ending, not the series as a whole. I already know it's peak and people just hating cause they bitches.
it's one of the better endings to a long running series i've read in a while. a shame people are so quick to react so negatively to any series ending. I feel like reading comprenhsion is at such an all time low that this will just get worse and espcially without people just parroting others they see online and not taking the time to come up with their up feelings on it.
There's a distinction between "bad" and "disliked" in the professional world, but most fans don't need to be precise. They know when they like something and when they dont. So no matter the number of factors, the outcome is undeniable.
I'm not currently in a phase of my life where I have the time to actually go back and read them front to back, but you've single-handedly convinced me that it might be worth it to go back and give both mha and jjk another shot. you've also helped me see the ways my own story and character analyses have fallen short while giving me clear examples of better ways to go about it just by writing your own thoughts on art so clearly and articulately. I think that's a true testament to the high quality of your writing.
Firstly, I know you don't mention Naruto's ending but Naruto's ending is Naruto vs Sasuke, which ties every theme in Naruto very well but regardless I still think Madara's ending was fitting since he always had a problem with his back, not trusting people and using people as tools like a shinobi, he believed he escaped the ideals of shinobis but was just living in a delusion. He was filled with hypocrisies such as his love for ninjutsu yet believed that ninjutsu is a problem. In fact prior to the reveal of Kaguya and her similarities with Madara, Madara's ideas of Kaguya fit him almost perfectly. He thought he was a god but he was just living in a dream and he wouldn't even listen to Naruto or anyone else so he got the ultimate wake up call, that being Black zetsu. I do dislike Kaguya but I enjoy Madara's conclusion.
Ngl Madara going out that way was the worst thing about that plot twist for me. Kaguya was fine. I didn’t care if she became the main villain after him. They could’ve saved her for Boruto and changed up the plot a little it’s just the fact that we never got to see Madara who was hyped up for many years and hundreds of chapters/episodes go all out. It really felt like a huge waste of a good villain. To me it also damages the Akatsuki’s legacy. Before the twist, it was an organization which sought to bring peace although it had morally questionable methods. Whether it was Pain, Obito, or Madara pulling the strings, that’s what it stood for. After that twist it became about resurrecting some ancient god. It completely deviated from the themes built up in the story.
Agreed. That was all genuinely compelling. Madara advocating staying in a dream to obtain peace while those choose to bear the hardships of the real face him, his many hypocrisies and the idea that he puts himself as the only one who can do it, even Obito (Who's path and twist I'm still not a fan of.), found himself a victim of the exact same cruelty of the shinobi world from the man who was trying to move past that by having become a more literal tool later. It's all very fitting, even the end with Sasuke Vs. Naruto, but it had to suffer the unfitting choice of making Kaguya come out of nowhere and go from a fight against a comforting lie to just being another big bad trying to turn people into Zetsu for her means with a tacked on backtory.
Finally, someone with a measured view of MHA's ending. I am so tired of people who never read the manga and just went off on leaked mistranslations to shit on the whole ending. I will never say that it was perfect, or I didn't have my own desires for it, but what's there is fitting and follows what came before it. I liked it.
It really boils down to a lot of the shonen audience being insanely emotionally immature. They just care about the hype, fights, love, ships, and all the surface level aspects of manga. The deeper story and themes are lost of them half the time, and usually these endings are more reflective of the overall theme, not wrapping up an already action packed story with more action, which is what i expect most shonen junkies to want
Spittin, I genuinely can’t see how it’s bad in anyway other than how glaring the jump between the Taisho and modern era may have been on chapter release. But even then Gotouge fixed that in the actual volume release with extra pages that were always supposed to be in the final chapter.
When I read it I just didn't like it. I didn't like the sudden possession Muzan had towards Tanjiro, and how that moment was immediately fixed in like one chapter anyways. The 'modern era' jump was also really goofy, like really, really goofy.
idk i just disliked the fights in the end cuz i couldn't understand any of it and i really disliked when muzan tried turning tanjiro into a demon for it to literally be stopped next chapter it's an okay manga but the anime is way better than the source material imo
I mean also the world got a bit darker and more effed up so the authors started to make more down-to-Earth, less idealistic more effed up stories that sometimes end in a happy ending and sometimes don`t. Especially if it is a Shonen series about violent conflicts and murder.
@@horatiuscocles8052 Brother, the world for 1st world country living Japanese got darker and online influence made them believe that it is much darker.
This is the most Copeium I’ve ever seen in my life . Great video but dam man . I felt like I just watched a pro flat earther video . That’s the level of Copeium and detail here .
Dont say "why its impossible for a battle shonnen series to have a good ending" what you mean to say is universally loved ending , not "good". Alot of those manga series like fire force and demon slayer had good endings, the people that initially criticized those endings when they were released are now seen as idiots. The endings are good, just not universally loved.
If you're so heavily invested in a piece of ENTERTAINMENT that you think leaks are a problem, then you're too heavily invested in social media. I'm a folklore & story telling fanatic, but it's not real. It doesn't matter at all if a piece of it is released to the public before it's done... unlike things that actually matter.
This is one reason why I think Assassination Classroom is severely underappreciated. It never overstayed it's welcome, despite being massively popular enough at the time that Jump probably tried to extend it, but it ended on it's own terms perfectly instead.
"Sorry... agenda... I'm not even gonna try and push you right now..." "It's just that.... this... recognition... this... understanding... feels so fulfilling..." "Throughout heaven and earth, I, alone, liked the jjk ending."
unless an author adapts a story, I hope magaka can adapt stories from the western market. Seriously there stuff like Worm and other underrated story that never got adapted into a popular media.
Honestly i find it so funny that this is one of the most in-depth, nuanced and honest videos about shounen endings I've ever seen/read/heard to the point that its insane to me that your channel isn't much bigger; but the comments has still devolved into mud-slinging and surface level discussions about specific shounen battle manga endings. I don't know whether that's due to people not finishing the video, lack of comprehension or that people only care about their specific viewpoint over everything. But I just wanna thank you for such a crazy good video and I'm definitely going to share it around to friends
I remember reading Yuta vs Sukuna a few chapters after it was done and I was seeing everyone shitting on it. But when reading it myself I could only think “What was everyone talking about? This is awesome!”
@@aguywithalotofopinions412 yea well am also talking about that Yuta made this hype gojo technique only for it to do nothing It’s like hype with no substance
@@risk19l well it’s gege’s fault for making the expectations high lol We have this grand reveal that yuta is taking over giojo’s body and Doing his freaking technique AND CHAPTER LITERALLY ENDS THERE
@@RIP-hd8ln Maybe he's referring to Part 1, climax of the Retrieval arc genuinely left a lasting impact on me... Part 2's ending wasnt that bad though, its just that certain moments leading up to it was pretty disappointing..
Honestly, I've been kinda sceptical getting into the mha section of this video Idk purely because I've been cursed to be annoyed by millions of essays how mha sucks and fell off but how you handled the section was genuinely surprising I genuinely can't express how happy I am to see more people realise the actual point of the ending for mha, its final arc and the story This video has been a joy to watch even other non mha parts lmao
yo man, pay the shallow replies no mind, i agree with you. speaking from personal experience, i’ve always had a gripe for mha’s declining quality in art direction and animation when, in my opinion, it’s the newgen manga that needs it the MOST. but that’s more of a side note, as the real thing i wanted to mention was how it got me into reading the second war arc onwards, and that made me realize a lot of the things mentioned in this very long, yet very well put together video. i can definitely say i’ve had my closure with this series, and that’s all that really matters. in the end though, it’s easy to want to search for others to talk about the things we are invested in, and cuz of that, i’d love to discuss the mha manga in a more loving light than most of you wanna. 👍
Really good video. I want to add that a lot of times people forget that this is shonen. And that these authors have a formula they need to comply with. Usually that involves getting a happy ending or the protagonist ends up in a specific way etc. The point is, us fans get extremely high expectations that can't be met. And we've spent so many years reading this series that we imagine an ending that can't or won't happen. We just have to enjoy it for what it is and move on Like with AOT I wanted Eren to not be redeemable. I wanted certain characters to die (that didn't die, like Levi). Or like with Demon Slayer where I found the villain' backstory incredibly underwhelming after having been built up so much. And so on because I can go forever with dumb details I wish didn't happen.
This video was really well done, and managed to give me some new perspective. I'm not an avid follower of shounen, but I had watched the MHA anime for a while, but fell off around Season 4. Because of that, I had a bit of a chip on my shoulder, and when I heard how "bad" the MHA ending was, it felt kinda good. But this video made me realize how hypocritical I was being, especially as a fan of AoT and its ending. So now I am actually tempted to go back to MHA and give it another shot, even if it's not perfect. Though I might stick to the manga given I had issues with the anime.
Did people dislike the Mashle ending? When it ended it was just sad knowing the story was over and that genuinely it made sense to me at least that it ended. I believed that most other people were mostly just saddened that they would never get to see the characters anymore rather than angered or dissatisfied.
You're amazing man. You captured the feelings I have with manga and anime today, I can admit I'm the both sides. Being a helpless fictional empathizer that changes the whole character (as someone who does write fanfics in my free time), yet someone who can accept the ending we got. As the saying goes "It is what it is." and you'll just have to have your OWN thoughts from a manga/media YOU read. I'd wait for official translations and consume it in my own pace. I'm a huge fan of Violet Evergarden and the sentiment that it's "boring" and "bland" has always bugged me. And yet I simply ignored those words and enjoyed it as what it is, an anime that made me cry and changed my views on life. People may not like it, but it doesn't mean I can't enjoy it. With AOT, it holds a special place in my heart. It's the anime that ignited my love of anime and manga as whole. Seeing the reaction of the ending of course fustrated me as I really liked it. And yet again, I just ignored it and was just happy. Yes, maybe some of the stuff in the final chapters were confusing, but I took time to understand it and not scream and blabber in online spaces because I was dumb about it. I have so much to say still, but everything I would say was already in your video. You got a new sub man! ❤️
erens ending is like walter white from breaking bad like walter white eren hid his selfish desire of seeing the outside world as a plain sight BEHIND a noble cause of saving his friends/paradise and thats the whole reason he says to reiner 'i am the same as you'
Bro finally I have seen someone who thinks the same as me! I've been thinking this all along that he hides his true desire behind conveniently noble goals to cope with the terrible thing he's done. Obviously its still an interpretation but it's nice to see I'm not the only one who thinks so.
@@captain_trebreh I mean isayama is a big fan of breaking bad and falco is drawn by taking inspiration from jesse so I don’t think it’s a stretch to think if that’s true Also this basically explains what eren meant by ‘I am the same as you Reiner’ When Reiner confessed to eren in s4 ep5 that ‘no eren your mother died because of me I wanted to break the wall that day annie and berthold tried to run away I broke the wall because I wanted to earn respect from people ‘ And what was eren’s reply ? ‘Like I thought I am the same as you’ Before this eren was basically taunting Reiner that ‘if it was to save the world then you didn’t had a choice right’
@@AM17titan and since Reiner confessed it was for a selfish desire of his, hidden by the whole "save humanity" thing, Eren realized he's doing the same thing as Reiner. Pretending to save his people while actually just wanting to see that empty world from his dreams. He is finally able to come to peace with Reiner and put his previous hatred and revenge behind him, realizing he's just as human as the rest of them.
Stand proud you cooked. Seriously tho, i spoke with someone recently, that is it weekly shounen magazine industry and how everything operates is what fucks up every shounen ending ever. The fandoms also have impossible to please expectations. Along with many other issues plaguing the industry u talked about. It is a really complex topic, but at the end of the day - shounen will always be my favourite genre of fiction regardless of its flaws, its strong points overshadows its flaws completely imo :) Subbed sir, will check more of your vids and wait for new ones.
So this could all be fixed if people actually read the manga. I'm only kinda joking. I had an argument with a dude who didn't know why Yuji could kill Mahito while Mechamaru couldn't. That was explained. A dude asked how could Nobara effect Sukuna's finger when its indestructible. The answer to that was in the same chapter. Please people read the manga.
Meee too I remember someone saying Yujis souls attacks and punches came out of nowhere When In the first season of the anime and less than 30 chapters into the story it’s explained That YUJI. Can interact with souls because he’s the vessel of sukuna
Straight facts, people are not reading the manga 😭 still... I think it wasnt rlly explained why "rika" is supposedly able to "eat" sukunas Finger. Even Sukuna thought they fed his finger to her. Wouldn't the whole Sukuna problem not exist if she was able to eat his finger 💀
We never can blame shonen mangaka to miss their manga ending, being in shonen jump is already very daunting task, so they try to do their best while having most of the time already thought about the ending from the start. Not every ending can please everyone. I'll always respect the author.
I feel like most manga would be better served going on hiatus and releasing the epilogue all at once. They’re supposed to be about closure but breaking stories up into parts is about leaving people wanting more. A bigger final chapter a month after the dust settles gives both the author and the audience time to feel like a proper farewell.
"as the series become more and more popular, the editorial department of jump forced him to continue the story." go figure, this isn't a problem for just manga either, it's something that games suffer from. take assassin's creed for example, that series has been going on for years and it's yet to reach a conclusion, and it's quality has not been getting any better throughout the years.
to me, as long as the author writes the ending they wanted, it’s good enough. don’t assume writers are writing for YOU. writing is an extension of yourself, the intended ending is the intended ending for a reason
People self insert too heavily in anime and manga, and tie their identity to the shows. It’s really weird imo. It’s why people get so much when a character isn’t cool or loses, because then that means they aren’t cool or they lost, and then get pissy and call it bad writing. Other than that, most people just want to hate for no reason. I over all don’t really like MHA, but the ending was mostly really good. Almost all “issues” with it come from people that can’t read or people making shit up. Demon Slayer had a great ending too, people hated on it for no real reason. The idea that shounen manga have particularly bad endings, I think is wrong. They might be worse on average, but most are fine, plenty of them are great (Naruto, FMA, etc)
Only problem is most of these authors didn't do the ending they wanted. And writers absolutely writing for you as well as for themselves. They are not going to be successful without you
Amazing video! Thank you so much for creating it. I’ve been thinking about how there’s been an uptick in “bad manga endings” lately and always wondered why people keep pushing that agenda. One Piece is one of my favorite series of all time, so I know it’s going to get flak for how it ends regardless.
I’m personally not a big fan of battle shonen series but I’m glad I watched this video to get more insight on them and see a generous nuanced take on their storytelling
Honestly, when I first read the final chapters of MHA and thought it was a little…. Stale? Maybe? For lack of a better word. But, holy hell I was not ready for the ocean of hate it was getting when I finally started looking at what people saying.
I would like to formally apologize for hating on Mob Psycho 100 ending. It seems I treated it too harshly, and now that I look back at it again, it's beautifully tied up, unlike.............(JJK)
imo alot of why the ending was the way it is is that it leaves things open ended enough to have things like sequels, side stories, etc. and you can do it WITHOUT huge time skips or making a whole new cast. it is actually a very smart ending, as it makes it a better ending than things like the big 3 or even older titans of anime.
do you think its ass for a reason other than what he talks about in the video tho? from what ive gathered, most people hate the ending because of how they perceive eren, which is what he talks about in the fictional empathy section
@@Epsilonn It wasn't, at least in my country, every hated it because it wasn't serving it's themes, also coming up with bullshit like eren loving mikasa all this time? it wasn't even hinted at, and other major plot holes that just make eren's personality so fucking stupid and insane, it wasn't because leaks and bad translations, for the anime it was batter due to them changing a lot of eren's and armin lines, armin not saying "thank you for being a mass murderer for us" are one of them, which is still insane.
@@raccoonologist9059 that quote about thanking eren for being a mass murderer is itself is a mistranslation by a fan sub, which is a great example of what he was talking about in the video. "serving its themes" is subjective to the viewer. your interpretation of the themes is gonna be different from mine. it could even tie into the fictional empathy that he talks about in the video too, particularly in relation to eren's character and the "major plotholes" of his personality. the eren mikasa thing was hinted at relatively strongly imo, its just that eren doesnt show his feelings until the very end because he purposefully focuses on other goals. either way i think its important to recognise that just because everyone around you thinks a certain way, it doesnt mean that everybody everywhere also agrees with your opinion, nor does it mean that anyone's opinion is any more "objectively correct" that anyone elses. i liked the ending a lot and thats good enough for me; if you disliked the ending thats good for you too
@@Epsilonn Even the accurate one, still bad lol, I do love AOT and grew up with it, I'm not saying this for the sake of some guys saying it around me, I did like some aspects of the ending and even would say I was thinking it was a fulfilling ending despite the plot holes and retcons from certain characters, but after the extra pages that came out, and found out that Eren laterally didn't accomplish a damn thing, even erasing the curse wasn't accomplished, it actually made sick, after the time passing the ending didn't really sink in for the better, it actually feels more dumb and bad every time I look back or think about it, so yeah no it wasn't from the hate, it does deserve the controversy and it wasn't due to the leaks, it was due to bad writing. You can't throw the word subjective at every thing and call it a day, there is an extent of objectiveness that shows the real holes in the story, how it betrayed some of it's themes, and how these characters are written and how they act upon it, pre the start of the alliance it showed some of those things. I don't really want to talk about them but it certainly isn't just "subjective" view and "complex characters act like this" kind of thing, it can have both of course, but in my opinion it doesn't save it from clear objective aspects that made it cause this heat, and hate (It's stupid though you shouldn't go to this extinct, Isyama is still a great writer).
@@raccoonologist9059 i find that there are few things in any creative media that are objective rather than subjective. the extra pages, for example, are very subjective. how you interpret them depends a lot on your world view. i really like them, because it showcases the impermanence of peace and the fragility of human nature. but a lot of fans dislike them, because theyre so metaphorical that they render erens actions "meaningless" to an extent, which i think is kind of the point but i understand that not everyone comes to AoT wanting to hear an ideological deconstruction on humanity do you think its fair to deny me the right to enjoy the ending? i dont think it is. but the fact that we disagree shows that there is inherently some subjectivity at play. and i think thats fine, i just wish that less people went around acting as if there is only ONE opinion thats valid, and calling everyone who disagrees dumb or inferring that their feelings are wrong in some way
What people fail to realize about endings is that they are almost designed to make you realize that you were, in fact, focused on a singular story, in a sea or sky full of them and it was because of your focus on this single story that when it ends you want everyone to notice it for how good it was and you want everyone to see how big its explosion will be before the light goes out but the truth is no matter how big a star shines, some stars just go out with a flicker, and during their time they might have burned brighter than any other star or likewise have been in the shadow of another's for some time as well. This is how it is. If every series ended with an overpowered protagonist, I can not even imagine how boring stories would be, the room is TOO BRIGHT at that point and we would see why series like Jujutsu Kaisen ending with everyone returning where they started with new strengths, scars, and a promising perspective on the future is how you want most stories to go. There is something about being live to these events that we are forgetting. I cannot wait for people to run this back in a decade and say beginning to end it was beautiful.
I think jjk is better than okay but I never thought it was the best but I was excited for the plot threads to weave together. And I’ve been thinking about it with all these bad endings I think the authors get tired of doing their story, i feel like it’s once in a lifetime we get oda who has stuck with one story for 20+ years
holy crap. the editing in this video is absolutely incredible, and I didn't know you were the one making those parallax looking effects for each of the images you used.
I didn't mind the JJK ending at all if I'm honest. if it does anything it's confirm that nobody wins in battles. There is only loss, fallout and collateral damages. The villain not yielding to the protagonist's efforts to use the power of friendship/pity/puppy eyes/denial of reality and choosing to discard their humanity is a lot more believable than a lot of stuff I've seen. At some point the story is done and I recon it's better to end it and start a new thing than to create a body of work that's almost impossible for new people to get into. I also think that too many stories (be it anime, manga, western literature, tv, comic books, etc.) keep dragging on to milk the final coins from the audience. Case in point Matrix 4.
I love open endings, its why I loved the end of fairy tail so much. Its my favorite shonen. The only long one ive ever really finished, dragon ball cant count because it wont end. But I read the manga in its entirety during an anime hiatus and I was so excited to see the end move. I also didnt spoil anyone being a kid who just didnt use like Twitter or anything. Idk how the ending is percived by others but fuck em I loved it.
As probably the only person who collected the full series of Nisekoi, I was so happy the manga got an ending when the anime stopped after season two. Personal favorite Shone RomCom.
I really appreciate your video, but I think you focused on the final arc/chapters too much when the real bad shounen endings are due to problems prevalent since way before those series start hinting at their conclusions, like Bleachs just becoming a repetitive nonsensical fightfest since the Arrancar arc, AoT overcomplicating itself and unorginanically trying to up the stakes for the sake of it before the timeskip; JJKs forgetting to write characters while providing lenghty paragraphs of non-diegetic power system exposition everytime someone moves a finger since Shibuya; and all of these promoting themselves as "subverting expectations" and being "darker and more adult" than similar works while, at the end, never truly feeling like the big conflict had that much stakes/consequences so the whole story becomes a frustrating experience on a second viewing. YYHs, Narutos and MHAs endings had their problems but they are literary masterpieces compared to those.
I enjoyed the ending quite a lot. I tend to not get upset with author choices unless they dont make any sense or are lame. But I thought the ending was smart, it kinda ended like black myth wukong, with a simple and thoughtful sendoff that leaves you inspired and happy if you actually bother to read it and process it. I mentioned wukong literally 5 seconds before you brought it up lol. Also I did read it literally 2 days ago so it was complete by the time I bothered to read it. Which probably alters how I view it compared to someone who followed it.
I have one thing to say: Gintama. Perfect ending, saw next to no criticism. And it’s a 700+ chapter series. I highly recommend. Also if you count CSM part 1 as it’s own manga, that was universally praised as well
Ok i get what you were trying to say about how people like to complain when darker shonen series dont end in miserable death and sadness, but at least for me personally, i dont have an issue with a more positive ending. My problem is consistency in following the themes of the seires. In jjk's case, i think it would have been better for most of the characters to remain dead in the ending or at least only keep nobara or the trio alive in order to be more realistic and still show sukuna's headonistic ideology as inferior to yuji's. idk man im yapping
Mfkr got me crying by the end 😭, as cringy as it sounds I felt a lil hurt seeing so much hate towards the protagonist of MHA for the ending especially cuz it's always been the same since day 1 especially seeing weird fans and memes, then even hate guised under criticism that people believe into that same cycle. I personally think there is a case of projection in your favourite characters or series so it almost feels like an attack to you and that kind of brings up the people who use escapism as a form of escape from reality which isn't always the best way to deal with external things you may struggle with but sometimes it helps to ease it, so when you mentioned Attack on Titan it really brought back the feelings of frustration just hearing the ending was bad when I hadn't even seen the ending just to learn it was completely overblown all along when it came to the anime, and even reading the manga for MHA (from the official chapter) I thought the ending was beautiful for Deku that I just couldn't even believe the hate that came for him no matter :P It was pretty cathartic seeing that last bit talking about attack on titan, that unplanned ending honestly gave me a big grin because I felt a connection in that because inherently it is fiction at the end of the day yet there's always this part that cares somewhere which you might hate in of itself but not to put too much value in to that digital sphere of certain social medias, which honestly can be hard since I use self validation quite a lot.
I think you should have cover post series depression. The anticipation of that and knowing it's about it happen creates a type of bias in us, which adds to the whole ending, not being enough problem or wild reactions in some.
I mean, Dragon Ball's ending wasn't _bad._ It makes a fair bit of sense given that Goku's entire journey is about wanting to find stronger guys to fight, and Uub is special considering that he was positioned as a character (before GT) that Goku wouldn't ever really surpass. Someone that could keep up with him. So it makes a fair bit of sense why Goku would want to train him, and for multiple reasons. Not only would he get enjoyment out of it, but he'd he leaving Earth with a suitable protector once he's gone (considering that Gohan dropped the ball and doesn't necessarily like to fight). The reason that Z's ending has that reputation is because it comes out of left field almost if you aren't really paying attention during Goku's fight with Kid Buu. Like, its easily the most fun that Goku has had fighting a villain in a long time.
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You know Bleach has been hyped for the Superficial reasons which aren't even it's strongest Points, for soo long, ...people always had wrong Expectations from BLEACH, ...Good to see you went into it, With no Expectations, just like me (i usually do this cuz it makes me enjoy the serie to the full, even the worst of Series 😂)
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Bro is a true Bachi-believer. Respect.
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lets take a moment to appreciate FMA's ending. probably the most complete ending to any shounen ever
Gintama and code geass both have well appreciated endings
FMA and Code Geass are just lucky to have ended before the social media era
@@TheRockerX The thing with FMA and Code Geas is that they didn't have to deal with leaks and they tied all the themes and characters they developed. Hell, Code Geass had a messy final arc but the ending literally undid all the cristicisms it was building up.
JoJo is holding up good aswell with the endings of the Parts.
Gintama, Slam Dunk, Aria and many are better imo
It's not a paradox, it's not a problem of the readers, it's a simple storytelling issue: Falling Action.
Not in terms of fighting, but in terms of story complexity. Most of these series takes years to build, establishing a world, characters, conflicts, relationships, etc. However, while frenetic action, suspense and mystery are great in building worlds up, they sucks when winding things down.
The better a story is in its build-up, the greater care needs to be taken when winding it down, making sure that there is enough action and conflict even during the wrap-up.
However, that is almost never the case. Once the BBEG is defeated, there are no secondary conflicts to let the story come down slowly. The story just ends. It's like sex without the aftercare.
There is a great and easy way authors can avoid doing this, all they need to
I 100 percent agree with this and I think the burnout authors suffer under shueisha has it that by the time they reach the climax they simply speedrun the falling action by putting it all into one war arc before calling it a day.
This is a good point but its kind of ignoring the other factors that come into play when people regard an ending. Like character conclusions or how well the final conflict was even handled. Once a conflict that has been build up to ends, most readers would already feel more or less relieved and there is not really much of a need for more conflicts for the story.
I personally think mha's ending concluded pretty well for a lot of its characters. I didn't except more from yagi, bakugo, the todorokis, uravity etc. I think they pretty much fulfilled their arcs. my 2 let downs were deku and shigiraki mostly for how little agency they had for the last stretch of the story.
I don't really get the McDonald's joke, is the implication dekus end was akin to working minimum wage? I mean his gets to be somewhat of a hero both in the classroom and out of it....people must have had some big dreams for our boy 🤣.
@@SirSov3r3ign Absolutely! This is the exact reason!
It's understandable that authors feel burnout by churning out issues week after week for years at end and just grow physically and emotionally exhausted.
The idea of writing an entire arc for falling action must seem unbearable to them so they end it exactly with the biggest arc, instead of delving into a last, wrap-up arc with a smaller-scale conflict driving it.
@@EthanZheKaiSinghBlss The point of falling action is to wrap-up character arcs, plot threads, and the fallout of the climax to give the story a feeling of completion.
If a story can do that in the main arc, that's great but it requires significant planning, such as "Full Metal Alchemist".
The reason we're talking about Battle Shonen is because they spend too much time in building up the conflict and too little time resolving it.
I guess the thing that keeps surprising me is just how people will unceremonously switch up their stance and begin mocking the works that they loved so much before at the first sigh of a controversial ending, and will refuse to try to engage with the art in a more positive light. The ammount of toxicity Horikoshi, Akutami, Isayama, Kishimoto, Kubo and others have received from former fans is bonkers.
Hardly ever conclusions for popular media are perfect, but hardly ever are as bad as people make them out to be.
@@angelamengualcortinas3614 Couldn’t have worded it better myself especially that last line
imo alot of those mangas already has alot of fans who started to hate it in the dozen or so last chapters, i don't think their opinions changed just because the ending.
@@nar1768 Yeah I think this is mostly true for jjk the amount of people that switched when they announced the 5 chapter thing is crazy.
@@Hihitoto23 imo the hate started to grow around chapter 236
Jjk was never a great series due to the wierd author decisions that ruined character development and the narrative possibilities but many fanboys didn't want to accept that the problems became apparent in shibuya and the Next arcs
FMA needs to be studied. I've seen no one with any issues with that ending.
How is MHA any different?
@@fawazfaruqui5198bc the ending literally contradicts the opening sentence of the manga and a lot of ppl hate it
@@fawazfaruqui5198 FMA's story was about Ed's quest to correct a mistake that he and his brother made long ago. He became an alchemist for that reason. Being an alchemist didn't define him, but what he sacrificed did. Once he saw an opportunity to obtain everything he wanted, he didn't _need_ to be the "Fullmetal Alchemist" anymore.
In MHA's case, Deku was _defined_ by his status as a hero. He wanted to be like All Might: the Symbol of Peace. He achieved some semblance of that, but the world eventually understood that relying on a singular figure to secure peace is unsustainable. The world didn't need someone like All Might anymore. In other words, the world didn't need Deku's goal. He may have defeated the big bad, but does that make him #1? It became less about how _Deku_ became the #1 Hero/Symbol of Peace and more about how _Class 1-A_ became the _Symbols_ of Peace. The goalpost changed over time, which is what makes the final message a little strange to me. It's an understandable evolution of the goal, though, nevertheless.
I’m pretty sure that the author had the whole ending and a large general plan for the entire series before starting to write it. Planning out your story helps a ton
@@ursaminor2732I don’t see how it contradicts at all.
By all accounts Deku was the #1 hero (just not officially), but the entire world knows he was the top hero and the only one capable of saving everyone.
The even wrap the whole thing up in a nice bow, deku was told he could be a hero by being given OFA. At the end of the series OFA is gone, but he can still be a hero (hero enough to mentor young heroes and hero enough to go out there and save people himself)
The whole point of the series is to change the definition of what a hero is/looks like
I think the best example I've seen of people zeroing in on one aspect of a story was with Yuji at the ending, seeing some people here and there say that they're disappointed that Yuji isn't going out on missions alone considering his strength...and I had to sit there and wonder if these people read the story at all, ESPECIALLY Hidden Inventory, cuz that would've flew in the face of everything
for real like the whole point of the story is "it's lonely at the top" and the ending is a perfect subversion of that
The final chapter also shows that fated battles to save the world are not what makes a difference: it’s lending a hand! Helping people who are scared, and lifting people out of despair
@@dankuya Legitimately, like that was the whole deal with Gojo and Kashimo especially but somehow they missed all that
@@bananabanana484 A big part of why I genuinely love the ending, Yuji found the new path for the "strongest" that Gojo thought he'd find, one that wouldn't allow for what happened to Geto to happen again
it just shows that alot of people have such a hard on for the 'big strong do it all on his own protagonist' that they lose common sense. It's like being mad at Guts for caring about Casca above anything else or at Batman for caring about his kids
I really appreciate the nuanced look at series like jjk and bleach, which often get oversimplified and over hated by their own fans.
I think a better term for ‘bad ending’ is ‘controversial ending’, since you’ll always find people who really enjoyed the endings everyone calls bad
I think bleach and jjk had a better ending than naruto. I love all 3 but naruto is about the journey not the destination...really ruined its ending to make boruto. Which i enjoy reading boruto but im going off topic now so anyways...ya jjk ending isnt bad to me at all
By that logic, then what’s a bad ending if everything is controversial? Nothing is ever pure black or white after all, anything will have likers or haters.
@@unioneye1087 Promised neverland, Seven deadly sins, darling franXX, were pretty uncontroversial bad endings.
But yeah, you’re right in the sense that most bad endings of popular series are going to be divisive in some way.
@@beaneater4277 I mean literally not a single character had any worth in JJK. I don't even know what was the point of the whole manga. At the end you look back at it and see bunch of fights. Actually, no, Inventory arc is the only one that had good clear narrative and character progression. Yuji vs Mahito. Junpei too. But the rest of the story wasted all meaning of it. So many threads abandoned. You can't name it anything but bad, even if someone could enjoy it on a basic level.
@miramaxcinemax5512 lol that's one way of seeing it..but i feel like i have a more in-depth perspective..although im not to good with my words so im not going to try to explain it..plenty of others feel the same and can express mutual feelings about it here on yt
I think the best way to handle manga endings is simple:
1: Don't go into leaks
2: Stay off the fandom to form your own opinion
3: Think if you personally enjoyed it or not
4. DONT BE ON FUCKING TWITTER
i will never understand why its so hard for people to form their own opinions of something instead of following impressions of others
@@bluecrood2720 Something about taking the first napkin
let's be real so many people ignore 2 and 3
no, stay off the anime fandoms in general. They’re all toxic, i haven never seen in 10 years a anime fandom that allows you to have an opinion without attacking you and that doesn’t work like an echo-chamber (people in it hating or loving something cause others do).
25:18 BRO someone said it
My hero’s ending has me Pissed off not cuz I hated it but because I feel like every time. It’s brought people will JUST lie
Like IVE had WAYY to many people telling me Midoriyas friends abandoned him for 8 years
The funny part is that there were already people on youtube like certain reaction channels who roughly predicted the ending the story before it happened. How you may ask? By paying attention to the characters, story, themes, symbolism, and overall narrative of the series and using their brain to come up with a logical conclusion to it ☠
People who say the ending is ''garbage'' or that it came out of nowhere never read MHA and it shows.
most people watch anime through Tik Tok clips nowadays, just ignore them. They are a cancer.
Yeah they didnt, they were just busy and being adults. Which yiould ve communicated better, i guess, but isnt bad, and its a good end, mostly.
Demon slayer has a good ending thou, and as does , ok an ending that doesnt ruin the theme and characters, is good.
Still JJK is a terrible end making death meaningless in a story that , like is very edgy. Why?That is a skill and or editor nd or tonal issue.
@@marocat4749 dude you type like a moron and your opinions even worse
@@marocat4749 JJK AND EDGY??? Bro?? You good??? Have we read the same manga?
The other thing is that it's obvious Kugisaki wasn't in the original plans to come back. When you hear all of Gege's previous interviews you can tell he had no intention of reviving her.
she wasn't revived, when she was taken out a character specificaly showed up and said that he'd given her a chance of survival and then she's never mentioned again if yall thought she was dead it's your own fault.
Brother, the crumbs were being dropped since shibuya if you didn't look or notice them that's on you, she was always gonna comeback 😂😂
13:52- Notably, Tousen went against his Shinigami core by discarding the use of his Bankai in favor of using Visored and eventually Hollow powers, Aizen discards his Zanpakuto abilities in favor of the Hogyoku that eventually makes him into unrecognizable hollow-like monster before his final defeat, and Yhwach takes the Mimihagi, which is a Soul King power that sided with the Shinigami over his own Quincy heritage- each going against their core selves for the sake of gaining power.
you had me, until Mimihagi, he's the right arm of the King, he has nothing to do with Shinigami.
24:27 I was also around during the AOT manga ending era. I'll never forget how much damage that "leaker" did to the perception of AOT's ending.
To this day, there's still folks who unironically think Eren literally turned into a bird. All because of a bad faith leaker.
Wait wait, people thought WHAT?
That ending was still garbage, leak or not
@@trashman1605 you're allowed to be wrong
Ellen becomes dove (crying)
God, r/Titanfolk was a shitshow when this ending came out...
@@trashman1605 your username fits you
13:45- notice that notable villains such as Szayel, Barragan, Aizen, and the Quincy of the Vandenreich all have powers to either revive themselves from death or prevent death from happening- showing their fear of death
THANK YOU!!! You've said so much about how I feel about MHA. I've had to basically divorce myself from the fandom because the sheer dislike, at times near hate, started to affect how much I enjoyed the series.
It's not perfect. Nothing really is. And admittedly, I feel like the series should have had been drawn out more (it's ridiculous when you realize that everything in the series takes place in one year basically!); however, the series never strays away from it core themes and I've found even events that I may personally not really enjoy still make sense within the context. I thought the ending was exceptional. It was everything I needed and wanted. It' so easy to constantly want more, to want something to continue forever, and for problems to 'solved'. But what the series needed was a hopeful point to the future; things will be better. And Horokoshi delivered.
MHA is really bad though, specially after the Chisaki/yakuza arc
Put the fries in the bag deku
Gurren Lagann had a peak ending. as did FMA: Brotherhood. To all the folks saying: "hurr durr at least we got an ending"
Sticking the landing matters. The story is a journey, you cant just act like a shit ending doesnt matter.
Seeing all these endings bring me back to the FMA and Haikyuu endings. Both had such satisfying conclusions that just remembering them hits different so hard.
exactly 💯
Gurren Lagann ending was trash
Gurren Lagann is a TV Show they have much more time to cook a satisfying ending from pre production.
@@申月営無営月無営有申 Did you watch the show with your fingers? Because I know you gotta be blind with an opinion that bad.
Why do so many animanga fans want the villain to kill so many people lmao, like that shit does not help them be better written or increase their "aura".
I think it’s mainly due to the fact that the characters in the final battle always have like some final technique that is supposed to kill them and then they just end up surviving easily that. It wasn’t even like no thought out and explained reason why they survived it. It was just oh they survived because why not for example Might guys eight gates battle this was supposed to be his moment where he put everything on the line for his students his friends for his teachers literally 1 of his students JUST died and was supposed to pave way to help beat madara all of that just went out the window all because in that moment, he should’ve died like he had no other purpose to survive like I’m genuinely saying this he should’ve died. It would’ve been a significant sacrifice that everybody knew about SINCE PART 1 OF FUCKIN NARUTO so the fact that Naruto just so happened to randomly get the power to be able to f***ing heal someone like he’s f***ing God is crazy and dumb This could’ve been a moment for might guy and or other characters like Lee, who haven’t gotten much screen time to actually do something relevant for the story instead he just does quite literally nothing because madara was still fine and then he survives anyway so like there was no point in that fight even happening😭🤦🏾♂️ like this was a thing foreshadowed all the way back to part one in the exams everyone knew you’re supposed to die after this technique is used, the author couldn’t even follow through with that instead said no sike he survives
Me when the author decides he doesn't wanna kill a character off for no good reason. And why does it have to be explained besides the characters can heal them? Like that literally would ignore a major part of cursed energy which is rct. Hell everyone dying when they have rct would've been dumber. Same with Guy, Naruto got a new ability and used it, it would've been dumb if he didn't use it. You guys miss how the story isn't always about losing people and people dying lmao.
edgy lil boys
@Rhenkei we know this but when it’s a random ass ability that we had NO FORESHADOWING FOR or anything sayin they could do that it just feels lik a random “op actually mc can bring people back to life” lik at least with things lik dragon ball where they have these dragons that can grant any wish it doesn’t seem lik a random convenient power up for no reason cuz at the end of the day it’s lik “well we been knew it could do dis”
@@RIP-hd8ln What ability didn't we know about in jjk?
People are getting so mad when the MC actually gets to be happy at the end 😭
I guess the writing means nothing at all
Finally, someone who understands jjk’s ending and situation. Thank you.
Wait, people dont like the Hells Paradise ending? I thought it was pretty good
It ended?!?
@@juancastruita1474
Yep. Actually the author dropped a one-shot before the anime transmitted
Sorry for the bad english. Isn't my first language
@@minibluemonkey from what I remember it did receive a lot of criticism when it first dropped but I think people have warmed up to it now similar to the aot situation
They are crazy
Ngl would’ve liked if the one brother didn’t get resurrected it was good but not spectacular
beautiful fucking video man best animanga I've seen in so long, kinda of hilarious I was chatting with some friends about this exact thing pretty much coming to the same conclusion.
Gege only did one shots before this. I think he did not even expect it to be picked up as it was said that when Sukuna rips Yuji's heart out at the start, the manga was expected to end. Then it was kept going and going. Plus, weekly pushing out episodes to a story you dont want to work on anymore must be taxing. Gege clearly wanted to move on, he said he wants to do an idol manga. Its like reading a rushed fanfiction vs one that has episodes 2-3 weeks. It hurts my eyes, my heart and my brain all at once... >.> I think it also doesnt help that Anime/ manga community is super degen but JJK fans were next level vile after the Gojo incident... if i already dont want to work on something, and my fans send me death threats, I def will not be in the right mindset to write the next chapter that HAS to go out due weekly press.
I feel like this has to be a myth or Fandom headcanon bc the idea of continuously working on a story you don't like feels contradictory, especially when the industry is known for putting such a physical strain on its creators
@@bobjones9385 You're right, its just a sentiment thats snowballed for JJK and a lot of manga in general.
I can only guess but maybe its due to Gege's jokes about Gojo being his least favourite? People parade that as fact and eventually it led to a fake interview where Gege "admits to killing Gojo because he hated him". Same stuff with Gege "hating/being tired of JJK", fans and haters just snowball things until it gets paraded as fact. Like one person on twitter theorized Gege was tired of JJK because of the pacing issues and now people think its something hes actually admitted to.
Is it normal for a youtube video on anime to bring you to tears TWICE? WTF I was NOT prepared for this. The editing is phenomenal but you're WRITING omg how did you make me dig deep and truly feel so many moments and emotions. This mf was pulling out studies and memes to explain anime endings yet also writing absolute cinema.
Thank you so much man this means the world to me🙏
Then there is me who dropped all of these series you say had bad/divisive endings, way before they came to an end, which makes me feel like the bad ending had nothing to do with leaks, peer-pressure or herd mentality.
MHA i dropped by ch250 i think, when the heroes were invading the villains hide out, at that point i was just reading out of inertia and wasn't really enjoying anything outside of Endeavoir since the Hero K**er arc, everything about it bored me to tears;
JJK i dropped around the middle of the free for all Sukuna fight, Kashimo is a joke, keep in mind i had dropped the series 3 times before and only came back bc of all the hype and murmurs on twitter, dropped in the Curse Womb Paintings arc, then dropped again in the middle of the Culling Games, then finally dropped this sheet for good in the middle of that convoluted and reateeddd Sukuna fight, only good arcs in my opinion are the Sacred Vessel and Shibuya, the rest go from awful to incompetent, unfocused, hollow or cringe.
AoT i dropped twice, once when they're going back to Wall Rose or Maria i think, to go into Eren's basement to find out about the Titan's secret, the second and final time was in the middle of Marley's attack on the island, idk know what it is, but it's really hard for me to get invested in a story if i dislike the characters, then nothing that happens matters to me.
man, that was the best interpretation i've heard for bleach
to add about leaks, some people just straight up only read the leaks and not the actual manga chapter. people who just jump from leak to leak and not read the chapters, so any mistake in the leaks will be their reality which can build up the dislike and hate
Exactly! And you add to it that TH-camrs, who may or may not even like the actual story, will try to get on the JJK hype train by quickly reading the leaks to get a chapter discussion up before the chapter even drops so now thousands of ppl in the JJK community are having their initial opinion on the chapter formed by a guy who read leaks before the official chapter even makes it to either of them. It's wild
I like the jjk ending, yeah I wish there was more in the story, so many things were just wasted, but i love it, the mirrored first and final panels felt so good to see. Catharsis, that’s the emotion I felt seeing the final chapter, I liked it. Chapter 269 still fucking sucked though.
I'm happy about what we got. Obviously, there were other things that could have been explored, but nothing we did get was BAD or even mid in my opinion. 269 (my least favorite chapter) wasn't even too bad when considered on its own, but yeah I don't think it deserved to be one of the final 5 chapters. Nonetheless, thank you, Gege Akutami. I will never forget you for as long as I live.
Honestly Gege left WAY too much unanswered to be satisfied. I like when Series have some unexplained stuff so you can keep guessing but they never showed Sukuna’s backstory, Yuji’s Domain name, the ability of Yuji’s domain, etc
Honestly it's a pretty big change but I would've been more satisfied with jjks ending if the final chapter just showed one panel of Kenjaku still alive and out there somewhere. Obviously it wouldn't mean a part 2 necessarily but it would've given me hope since so much of what was unexplored was related to him
@@bobjones9385 I actually like this take, i think we should've gotten a hint that perhaps kenjaku is in yuta since he used kenjaku's cursed technique.
@@Sincere_3 To be fair, Yuji's Domain was shoddily put together in the heat of battle. When Sukuna asked him what did he do at the beginning of chapter 265, he couldn't even answer him.
And honestly, Sukuna is better off without a backstory. Not every villain needs one if it's not necessary.
Really really well made video. Pretty much agree with everything, the manga that has the worst ending is the one ending right now, without anyone having the time to reflect on it. And because I know this might get overlooked, wanted to highlight the manga edits throughout this video because, wow! Really visually pleasing stuff
Which manga
Any battle shonen that's ending in the social media era probably, not one in particular. Just something I noticed from fan reception across twitter when things like MHA, AOT, JJK or DBS ended@@murderman8578
It’s the plot threads that weren’t tied up for this one fr. Idk the whole final fight and the way they are meta discussing it in flash backs is weird too but it also really feels like there is more his world that got glossed over.
I also didn’t like the final few chapters where the characters were like “we shoulda done this and so and so wouldn’ta died.. 😱” and then someone else is like “if we did that… *I* woulda died… 🫢” and that goes on for like a quarter of a chapter
The leaks only really affected the newer mangas, the main issue with my hero academia is how it went from, "how I became the greatest hero" into, we are all heroes, which sure is a nice sentiment but its too late to pivot when you already place one for all in a pedestal on how important of a power it was supposed to be.
Personally mha fell less like ups and downs and more like a carousel and I wanted it to be over like 3 arcs before it did.
Huh? It constantly put the power isn't alone the reason but the individual which is the point of saving with Todoroki vs Deku when Deku wants to give up his power, One For All was created from All For One which in turn are for each other.
@@tehcookievanilla1323except it’s not about the individual because the individual needs the power.
@@BabyGirlTiny
The power doesn't work if there isn't an individual behind it, you've just contradicted yourself. You need both in order to live with predispositions you've been given in life.
Ya know, I love it when Son Yuji used kaioken times 10 against Mahieeza and even the spirit bomb
This is, actually good literary analysis. Fair and even handed with criticism and understanding. Good video.
Edit: While not every story needs to end with the MC having a wife and kids, MHA hinted at a romance over and over again and then essentially dodged the question in the ending. They basically bunted Uraraka's finally. Yes they could still end up together in the future but showing nothing coming from all that build up was a violation of Chekov's gun. If the romance is never going to be fulfilled or concluded, then dont build it up ahead of time. So yes some shippers are toxic I dont think its wrong to say a series failed to deliver on what it promised, that is a fair criticism.
The romance was more built up for the connection between Ochako and Toga than anything else, how Ochako was suppressing her feelings and Toga could never moderate hers.
@@Biostar96 Wouldn't the most effective culmination of that lesson be for Ochako to _stop_ suppressing her feelings and actually confess to Deku? At the very least, show the fruits of that lesson.
Wasn’t her crush just like a distraction she overcame to focus on being a hero? That was the reason for it, not build up to them getting together
@@twentytwoblue22 No. That is the opposite of what it was trying to say. The whole crux of her thing with Toga, is being able to be open about who you actually are and how you feel. Society forced Toga to conform which led to disastrous results. Something that Ochako was also doing by suppressing her feelings for deku. So the clear message is to not bottle those feelings and instead express them.
@@omarmansuri7099 i get her arc with toga from what I’ve seen and heard. It’s just, I’m gonna be real the second she decided to focus on hero stuff instead of crushing on a boy, said crush seemed to vanish it wasn’t something she was really suppressing. and then we see her develop more with characters like Toga. Ochako expressed her feelings, she wanted to be friends with Toga and now in the end she is making sure others are able to be themselves so no one goes through what toga did
I love the appreciation of MHA's ending. I need more non-dumbasses to cover it like this.
MHA isn't really that bad, it was the fandom that ruined it's reputation...
@@Whatever1-e7m I don't care about all that. I'm talking about its ending, not the series as a whole. I already know it's peak and people just hating cause they bitches.
it's one of the better endings to a long running series i've read in a while. a shame people are so quick to react so negatively to any series ending. I feel like reading comprenhsion is at such an all time low that this will just get worse and espcially without people just parroting others they see online and not taking the time to come up with their up feelings on it.
There's a distinction between "bad" and "disliked" in the professional world, but most fans don't need to be precise. They know when they like something and when they dont. So no matter the number of factors, the outcome is undeniable.
I'm not currently in a phase of my life where I have the time to actually go back and read them front to back, but you've single-handedly convinced me that it might be worth it to go back and give both mha and jjk another shot.
you've also helped me see the ways my own story and character analyses have fallen short while giving me clear examples of better ways to go about it just by writing your own thoughts on art so clearly and articulately. I think that's a true testament to the high quality of your writing.
This is such a great video,you gain a new fan
@@adriananderson4785 love to see it
Firstly, I know you don't mention Naruto's ending but Naruto's ending is Naruto vs Sasuke, which ties every theme in Naruto very well but regardless I still think Madara's ending was fitting since he always had a problem with his back, not trusting people and using people as tools like a shinobi, he believed he escaped the ideals of shinobis but was just living in a delusion. He was filled with hypocrisies such as his love for ninjutsu yet believed that ninjutsu is a problem. In fact prior to the reveal of Kaguya and her similarities with Madara, Madara's ideas of Kaguya fit him almost perfectly. He thought he was a god but he was just living in a dream and he wouldn't even listen to Naruto or anyone else so he got the ultimate wake up call, that being Black zetsu. I do dislike Kaguya but I enjoy Madara's conclusion.
Ngl Madara going out that way was the worst thing about that plot twist for me. Kaguya was fine. I didn’t care if she became the main villain after him. They could’ve saved her for Boruto and changed up the plot a little it’s just the fact that we never got to see Madara who was hyped up for many years and hundreds of chapters/episodes go all out. It really felt like a huge waste of a good villain. To me it also damages the Akatsuki’s legacy. Before the twist, it was an organization which sought to bring peace although it had morally questionable methods. Whether it was Pain, Obito, or Madara pulling the strings, that’s what it stood for. After that twist it became about resurrecting some ancient god. It completely deviated from the themes built up in the story.
Agreed. That was all genuinely compelling. Madara advocating staying in a dream to obtain peace while those choose to bear the hardships of the real face him, his many hypocrisies and the idea that he puts himself as the only one who can do it, even Obito (Who's path and twist I'm still not a fan of.), found himself a victim of the exact same cruelty of the shinobi world from the man who was trying to move past that by having become a more literal tool later. It's all very fitting, even the end with Sasuke Vs. Naruto, but it had to suffer the unfitting choice of making Kaguya come out of nowhere and go from a fight against a comforting lie to just being another big bad trying to turn people into Zetsu for her means with a tacked on backtory.
Finally, someone with a measured view of MHA's ending. I am so tired of people who never read the manga and just went off on leaked mistranslations to shit on the whole ending. I will never say that it was perfect, or I didn't have my own desires for it, but what's there is fitting and follows what came before it. I liked it.
It really boils down to a lot of the shonen audience being insanely emotionally immature. They just care about the hype, fights, love, ships, and all the surface level aspects of manga. The deeper story and themes are lost of them half the time, and usually these endings are more reflective of the overall theme, not wrapping up an already action packed story with more action, which is what i expect most shonen junkies to want
What you said exactly what I wanted to read. Everything regarding the current shonen audience is basically true at this point.
I mean idk, I'm no shonen expert but I feel like the endings of some of them are genuinely bad or at least underwhelming.
Demon Slayer's ending isn't considered bad, in fact, it's the perfect ending and most reasonable people understand this
Spittin, I genuinely can’t see how it’s bad in anyway other than how glaring the jump between the Taisho and modern era may have been on chapter release. But even then Gotouge fixed that in the actual volume release with extra pages that were always supposed to be in the final chapter.
When I read it I just didn't like it. I didn't like the sudden possession Muzan had towards Tanjiro, and how that moment was immediately fixed in like one chapter anyways. The 'modern era' jump was also really goofy, like really, really goofy.
Every single complaint I have seen about DS ending was stupid.
Rly? I heard people kinda hated it
idk i just disliked the fights in the end cuz i couldn't understand any of it and i really disliked when muzan tried turning tanjiro into a demon for it to literally be stopped next chapter it's an okay manga but the anime is way better than the source material imo
I mean also the world got a bit darker and more effed up so the authors started to make more down-to-Earth, less idealistic more effed up stories that sometimes end in a happy ending and sometimes don`t. Especially if it is a Shonen series about violent conflicts and murder.
The world didn't get darker there's always been wars and pandemics and political divide.
@@horatiuscocles8052 Brother, the world for 1st world country living Japanese got darker and online influence made them believe that it is much darker.
This is the most Copeium I’ve ever seen in my life . Great video but dam man . I felt like I just watched a pro flat earther video . That’s the level of Copeium and detail here .
Amazing video +Aot Appreciation 10/10 hope many more people get to see this video also an Important message.
Awesome video! But honestly bro, u gotta drop the ost list for this video 😭
Im DYING to know what tracks you used for this video
Dont say "why its impossible for a battle shonnen series to have a good ending" what you mean to say is universally loved ending , not "good". Alot of those manga series like fire force and demon slayer had good endings, the people that initially criticized those endings when they were released are now seen as idiots. The endings are good, just not universally loved.
really intresting video. I may not have cared about JJK ending but I never understood why people called it terrible
If you're so heavily invested in a piece of ENTERTAINMENT that you think leaks are a problem, then you're too heavily invested in social media. I'm a folklore & story telling fanatic, but it's not real. It doesn't matter at all if a piece of it is released to the public before it's done... unlike things that actually matter.
I'm so glad you made a video about this because I've noticed this trend after MHA and JJK ended and didn't know what to do with that feeling
This is one reason why I think Assassination Classroom is severely underappreciated. It never overstayed it's welcome, despite being massively popular enough at the time that Jump probably tried to extend it, but it ended on it's own terms perfectly instead.
"Sorry... agenda... I'm not even gonna try and push you right now..."
"It's just that.... this... recognition... this... understanding... feels so fulfilling..."
"Throughout heaven and earth, I, alone, liked the jjk ending."
unless an author adapts a story, I hope magaka can adapt stories from the western market. Seriously there stuff like Worm and other underrated story that never got adapted into a popular media.
Honestly i find it so funny that this is one of the most in-depth, nuanced and honest videos about shounen endings I've ever seen/read/heard to the point that its insane to me that your channel isn't much bigger; but the comments has still devolved into mud-slinging and surface level discussions about specific shounen battle manga endings. I don't know whether that's due to people not finishing the video, lack of comprehension or that people only care about their specific viewpoint over everything. But I just wanna thank you for such a crazy good video and I'm definitely going to share it around to friends
I remember reading Yuta vs Sukuna a few chapters after it was done and I was seeing everyone shitting on it. But when reading it myself I could only think “What was everyone talking about? This is awesome!”
The main thing about that is WTF IS THE CONSEQUENCE of that fight lol yuta made that big words speech about sacrifice but literally nothing happens
@@AM17titan I’m talking about the 3v1 with Yuji and Rika
@@aguywithalotofopinions412 yea well am also talking about that
Yuta made this hype gojo technique only for it to do nothing
It’s like hype with no substance
@@AM17titan sounds like you failed to manage expectations. What were you expecting to happen?
@@risk19l well it’s gege’s fault for making the expectations high lol
We have this grand reveal that yuta is taking over giojo’s body and Doing his freaking technique AND CHAPTER LITERALLY ENDS THERE
Anime/manga with great ending:
-Code geass
- Usogui (manga)
-FMAB
- devilman crybaby
-Attack on Titan
-Naruto
- cyberpunk E.
-Mob psycho 100
I mean I agree with most of these, but a lot of them are not Shonen. FMAB, AOT, and Naruto are though, and respect for including Usogui its so good
Don't Forget Akame GA Kill( Manga, We don't talk about the anime).
Naruto and great ending should not be in the same sentence plz tell me u jokin or PLZZZ tell me u only talkin about part 1 because part 1 is peak😭🙏🏾
@@RIP-hd8ln Maybe he's referring to Part 1, climax of the Retrieval arc genuinely left a lasting impact on me... Part 2's ending wasnt that bad though, its just that certain moments leading up to it was pretty disappointing..
why is my boy mob so unpopular 😢
Honestly, I've been kinda sceptical getting into the mha section of this video
Idk purely because I've been cursed to be annoyed by millions of essays how mha sucks and fell off but how you handled the section was genuinely surprising
I genuinely can't express how happy I am to see more people realise the actual point of the ending for mha, its final arc and the story
This video has been a joy to watch even other non mha parts lmao
Just put the fries in the bag Deku
Nah man that ending is objectively garbage
yo man, pay the shallow replies no mind, i agree with you.
speaking from personal experience, i’ve always had a gripe for mha’s declining quality in art direction and animation when, in my opinion, it’s the newgen manga that needs it the MOST. but that’s more of a side note, as the real thing i wanted to mention was how it got me into reading the second war arc onwards, and that made me realize a lot of the things mentioned in this very long, yet very well put together video.
i can definitely say i’ve had my closure with this series, and that’s all that really matters. in the end though, it’s easy to want to search for others to talk about the things we are invested in, and cuz of that, i’d love to discuss the mha manga in a more loving light than most of you wanna. 👍
Yeah don't pay attention to these two nimrods in the replies.
@Weeniewarrior15 sir, this UA High School
WE DONT SERVE FRIES!!!😑
Really good video.
I want to add that a lot of times people forget that this is shonen. And that these authors have a formula they need to comply with. Usually that involves getting a happy ending or the protagonist ends up in a specific way etc. The point is, us fans get extremely high expectations that can't be met. And we've spent so many years reading this series that we imagine an ending that can't or won't happen. We just have to enjoy it for what it is and move on
Like with AOT I wanted Eren to not be redeemable. I wanted certain characters to die (that didn't die, like Levi). Or like with Demon Slayer where I found the villain' backstory incredibly underwhelming after having been built up so much. And so on because I can go forever with dumb details I wish didn't happen.
This video was really well done, and managed to give me some new perspective. I'm not an avid follower of shounen, but I had watched the MHA anime for a while, but fell off around Season 4. Because of that, I had a bit of a chip on my shoulder, and when I heard how "bad" the MHA ending was, it felt kinda good. But this video made me realize how hypocritical I was being, especially as a fan of AoT and its ending. So now I am actually tempted to go back to MHA and give it another shot, even if it's not perfect. Though I might stick to the manga given I had issues with the anime.
I can only imagine how one pieces ending will be received
Did people dislike the Mashle ending? When it ended it was just sad knowing the story was over and that genuinely it made sense to me at least that it ended. I believed that most other people were mostly just saddened that they would never get to see the characters anymore rather than angered or dissatisfied.
You're amazing man. You captured the feelings I have with manga and anime today, I can admit I'm the both sides. Being a helpless fictional empathizer that changes the whole character (as someone who does write fanfics in my free time), yet someone who can accept the ending we got. As the saying goes "It is what it is." and you'll just have to have your OWN thoughts from a manga/media YOU read. I'd wait for official translations and consume it in my own pace.
I'm a huge fan of Violet Evergarden and the sentiment that it's "boring" and "bland" has always bugged me. And yet I simply ignored those words and enjoyed it as what it is, an anime that made me cry and changed my views on life. People may not like it, but it doesn't mean I can't enjoy it.
With AOT, it holds a special place in my heart. It's the anime that ignited my love of anime and manga as whole. Seeing the reaction of the ending of course fustrated me as I really liked it. And yet again, I just ignored it and was just happy. Yes, maybe some of the stuff in the final chapters were confusing, but I took time to understand it and not scream and blabber in online spaces because I was dumb about it.
I have so much to say still, but everything I would say was already in your video. You got a new sub man! ❤️
Bleach Good
Demon slayer rushed but good
Who says Dr Stone was bad???
erens ending is like walter white from breaking bad
like walter white eren hid his selfish desire of seeing the outside world as a plain sight BEHIND a noble cause of saving his friends/paradise and thats the whole reason he says to reiner
'i am the same as you'
Bro finally I have seen someone who thinks the same as me! I've been thinking this all along that he hides his true desire behind conveniently noble goals to cope with the terrible thing he's done. Obviously its still an interpretation but it's nice to see I'm not the only one who thinks so.
@@captain_trebreh I mean isayama is a big fan of breaking bad and falco is drawn by taking inspiration from jesse so I don’t think it’s a stretch to think if that’s true
Also this basically explains what eren meant by
‘I am the same as you Reiner’
When Reiner confessed to eren in s4 ep5 that
‘no eren your mother died because of me I wanted to break the wall that day annie and berthold tried to run away
I broke the wall because I wanted to earn respect from people ‘
And what was eren’s reply ?
‘Like I thought I am the same as you’
Before this eren was basically taunting Reiner that ‘if it was to save the world then you didn’t had a choice right’
@@AM17titan and since Reiner confessed it was for a selfish desire of his, hidden by the whole "save humanity" thing, Eren realized he's doing the same thing as Reiner. Pretending to save his people while actually just wanting to see that empty world from his dreams. He is finally able to come to peace with Reiner and put his previous hatred and revenge behind him, realizing he's just as human as the rest of them.
@@captain_trebreh yep
@@captain_trebrehbeing human ain’t to be glorified smh
Stand proud you cooked.
Seriously tho, i spoke with someone recently, that is it weekly shounen magazine industry and how everything operates is what fucks up every shounen ending ever. The fandoms also have impossible to please expectations. Along with many other issues plaguing the industry u talked about. It is a really complex topic, but at the end of the day - shounen will always be my favourite genre of fiction regardless of its flaws, its strong points overshadows its flaws completely imo :)
Subbed sir, will check more of your vids and wait for new ones.
So this could all be fixed if people actually read the manga. I'm only kinda joking. I had an argument with a dude who didn't know why Yuji could kill Mahito while Mechamaru couldn't. That was explained. A dude asked how could Nobara effect Sukuna's finger when its indestructible. The answer to that was in the same chapter. Please people read the manga.
Terrible comic, terrible fanbase.
@@Iianator ok
Meee too I remember someone saying Yujis souls attacks and punches came out of nowhere
When In the first season of the anime and less than 30 chapters into the story it’s explained That YUJI. Can interact with souls because he’s the vessel of sukuna
@@RaiginAnimator It's always baffling that they can't do a Google search before they complain.
Straight facts, people are not reading the manga 😭 still...
I think it wasnt rlly explained why "rika" is supposedly able to "eat" sukunas Finger.
Even Sukuna thought they fed his finger to her.
Wouldn't the whole Sukuna problem not exist if she was able to eat his finger 💀
the thing with "bad" shonen endings is that if the ending isnt perfect its awful.
We never can blame shonen mangaka to miss their manga ending, being in shonen jump is already very daunting task, so they try to do their best while having most of the time already thought about the ending from the start. Not every ending can please everyone. I'll always respect the author.
I feel like most manga would be better served going on hiatus and releasing the epilogue all at once. They’re supposed to be about closure but breaking stories up into parts is about leaving people wanting more. A bigger final chapter a month after the dust settles gives both the author and the audience time to feel like a proper farewell.
Did you just say jjk is a show don't tell work lol???
"as the series become more and more popular, the editorial department of jump forced him to continue the story."
go figure, this isn't a problem for just manga either, it's something that games suffer from.
take assassin's creed for example, that series has been going on for years and it's yet to reach a conclusion, and it's quality has not been getting any better throughout the years.
to me, as long as the author writes the ending they wanted, it’s good enough. don’t assume writers are writing for YOU. writing is an extension of yourself, the intended ending is the intended ending for a reason
People self insert too heavily in anime and manga, and tie their identity to the shows. It’s really weird imo. It’s why people get so much when a character isn’t cool or loses, because then that means they aren’t cool or they lost, and then get pissy and call it bad writing.
Other than that, most people just want to hate for no reason. I over all don’t really like MHA, but the ending was mostly really good. Almost all “issues” with it come from people that can’t read or people making shit up. Demon Slayer had a great ending too, people hated on it for no real reason. The idea that shounen manga have particularly bad endings, I think is wrong. They might be worse on average, but most are fine, plenty of them are great (Naruto, FMA, etc)
Only problem is most of these authors didn't do the ending they wanted. And writers absolutely writing for you as well as for themselves. They are not going to be successful without you
that doesn't automatically make their ending "good"
Amazing video! Thank you so much for creating it. I’ve been thinking about how there’s been an uptick in “bad manga endings” lately and always wondered why people keep pushing that agenda. One Piece is one of my favorite series of all time, so I know it’s going to get flak for how it ends regardless.
I’m personally not a big fan of battle shonen series but I’m glad I watched this video to get more insight on them and see a generous nuanced take on their storytelling
Honestly, when I first read the final chapters of MHA and thought it was a little…. Stale? Maybe? For lack of a better word. But, holy hell I was not ready for the ocean of hate it was getting when I finally started looking at what people saying.
Same here man
The ending of Jigoraku was controversial? are people daft?
I thought the same. When you look at the comments on manga plus, everyone seems happy about the ending.
I would like to formally apologize for hating on Mob Psycho 100 ending. It seems I treated it too harshly, and now that I look back at it again, it's beautifully tied up, unlike.............(JJK)
Full Metal Alchemist remains peak ❤
imo alot of why the ending was the way it is is that it leaves things open ended enough to have things like sequels, side stories, etc. and you can do it WITHOUT huge time skips or making a whole new cast. it is actually a very smart ending, as it makes it a better ending than things like the big 3 or even older titans of anime.
Bro they do NOT want to continue the series lmao. Kubo on the other hand used the time skip to perfection to start BTW and Hell arc.
every vid so far has been a banger keep this quality up man 💯
Naaah,
While i agree with you on the other things, as an anime only, that AOT ending was ass😂
do you think its ass for a reason other than what he talks about in the video tho? from what ive gathered, most people hate the ending because of how they perceive eren, which is what he talks about in the fictional empathy section
@@Epsilonn It wasn't, at least in my country, every hated it because it wasn't serving it's themes, also coming up with bullshit like eren loving mikasa all this time? it wasn't even hinted at, and other major plot holes that just make eren's personality so fucking stupid and insane, it wasn't because leaks and bad translations, for the anime it was batter due to them changing a lot of eren's and armin lines, armin not saying "thank you for being a mass murderer for us" are one of them, which is still insane.
@@raccoonologist9059 that quote about thanking eren for being a mass murderer is itself is a mistranslation by a fan sub, which is a great example of what he was talking about in the video.
"serving its themes" is subjective to the viewer. your interpretation of the themes is gonna be different from mine. it could even tie into the fictional empathy that he talks about in the video too, particularly in relation to eren's character and the "major plotholes" of his personality.
the eren mikasa thing was hinted at relatively strongly imo, its just that eren doesnt show his feelings until the very end because he purposefully focuses on other goals.
either way i think its important to recognise that just because everyone around you thinks a certain way, it doesnt mean that everybody everywhere also agrees with your opinion, nor does it mean that anyone's opinion is any more "objectively correct" that anyone elses. i liked the ending a lot and thats good enough for me; if you disliked the ending thats good for you too
@@Epsilonn Even the accurate one, still bad lol, I do love AOT and grew up with it, I'm not saying this for the sake of some guys saying it around me, I did like some aspects of the ending and even would say I was thinking it was a fulfilling ending despite the plot holes and retcons from certain characters, but after the extra pages that came out, and found out that Eren laterally didn't accomplish a damn thing, even erasing the curse wasn't accomplished, it actually made sick, after the time passing the ending didn't really sink in for the better, it actually feels more dumb and bad every time I look back or think about it, so yeah no it wasn't from the hate, it does deserve the controversy and it wasn't due to the leaks, it was due to bad writing.
You can't throw the word subjective at every thing and call it a day, there is an extent of objectiveness that shows the real holes in the story, how it betrayed some of it's themes, and how these characters are written and how they act upon it, pre the start of the alliance it showed some of those things. I don't really want to talk about them but it certainly isn't just "subjective" view and "complex characters act like this" kind of thing, it can have both of course, but in my opinion it doesn't save it from clear objective aspects that made it cause this heat, and hate (It's stupid though you shouldn't go to this extinct, Isyama is still a great writer).
@@raccoonologist9059 i find that there are few things in any creative media that are objective rather than subjective. the extra pages, for example, are very subjective. how you interpret them depends a lot on your world view. i really like them, because it showcases the impermanence of peace and the fragility of human nature. but a lot of fans dislike them, because theyre so metaphorical that they render erens actions "meaningless" to an extent, which i think is kind of the point but i understand that not everyone comes to AoT wanting to hear an ideological deconstruction on humanity
do you think its fair to deny me the right to enjoy the ending? i dont think it is. but the fact that we disagree shows that there is inherently some subjectivity at play. and i think thats fine, i just wish that less people went around acting as if there is only ONE opinion thats valid, and calling everyone who disagrees dumb or inferring that their feelings are wrong in some way
congrats on 10k bro. i really enjoyed listening to your perspectives here
@@Epsilonn thank you so much man it means the world💚🙏
What people fail to realize about endings is that they are almost designed to make you realize that you were, in fact, focused on a singular story, in a sea or sky full of them and it was because of your focus on this single story that when it ends you want everyone to notice it for how good it was and you want everyone to see how big its explosion will be before the light goes out but the truth is no matter how big a star shines, some stars just go out with a flicker, and during their time they might have burned brighter than any other star or likewise have been in the shadow of another's for some time as well. This is how it is. If every series ended with an overpowered protagonist, I can not even imagine how boring stories would be, the room is TOO BRIGHT at that point and we would see why series like Jujutsu Kaisen ending with everyone returning where they started with new strengths, scars, and a promising perspective on the future is how you want most stories to go. There is something about being live to these events that we are forgetting. I cannot wait for people to run this back in a decade and say beginning to end it was beautiful.
I think jjk is better than okay but I never thought it was the best but I was excited for the plot threads to weave together. And I’ve been thinking about it with all these bad endings I think the authors get tired of doing their story, i feel like it’s once in a lifetime we get oda who has stuck with one story for 20+ years
People dont like Mashles Ending?
holy crap. the editing in this video is absolutely incredible, and I didn't know you were the one making those parallax looking effects for each of the images you used.
What is the point in leaks? YOU ANYWAY WAIT A WEEK, JUST READ OFFICIAL TRANSLATION
31:55 not bro ending the leak epidemic part with the greatest fruits basket ost playing in the background.
What a lovely video, thanks for making this
I didn't mind the JJK ending at all if I'm honest. if it does anything it's confirm that nobody wins in battles. There is only loss, fallout and collateral damages. The villain not yielding to the protagonist's efforts to use the power of friendship/pity/puppy eyes/denial of reality and choosing to discard their humanity is a lot more believable than a lot of stuff I've seen. At some point the story is done and I recon it's better to end it and start a new thing than to create a body of work that's almost impossible for new people to get into. I also think that too many stories (be it anime, manga, western literature, tv, comic books, etc.) keep dragging on to milk the final coins from the audience. Case in point Matrix 4.
All things considered, Naruto and Demon skayers ending weren't half bad, especially the ladder
I love open endings, its why I loved the end of fairy tail so much. Its my favorite shonen. The only long one ive ever really finished, dragon ball cant count because it wont end. But I read the manga in its entirety during an anime hiatus and I was so excited to see the end move. I also didnt spoil anyone being a kid who just didnt use like Twitter or anything. Idk how the ending is percived by others but fuck em I loved it.
As probably the only person who collected the full series of Nisekoi, I was so happy the manga got an ending when the anime stopped after season two. Personal favorite Shone RomCom.
I really appreciate your video, but I think you focused on the final arc/chapters too much when the real bad shounen endings are due to problems prevalent since way before those series start hinting at their conclusions, like Bleachs just becoming a repetitive nonsensical fightfest since the Arrancar arc, AoT overcomplicating itself and unorginanically trying to up the stakes for the sake of it before the timeskip; JJKs forgetting to write characters while providing lenghty paragraphs of non-diegetic power system exposition everytime someone moves a finger since Shibuya; and all of these promoting themselves as "subverting expectations" and being "darker and more adult" than similar works while, at the end, never truly feeling like the big conflict had that much stakes/consequences so the whole story becomes a frustrating experience on a second viewing.
YYHs, Narutos and MHAs endings had their problems but they are literary masterpieces compared to those.
I enjoyed the ending quite a lot. I tend to not get upset with author choices unless they dont make any sense or are lame. But I thought the ending was smart, it kinda ended like black myth wukong, with a simple and thoughtful sendoff that leaves you inspired and happy if you actually bother to read it and process it.
I mentioned wukong literally 5 seconds before you brought it up lol.
Also I did read it literally 2 days ago so it was complete by the time I bothered to read it. Which probably alters how I view it compared to someone who followed it.
I have one thing to say: Gintama. Perfect ending, saw next to no criticism. And it’s a 700+ chapter series. I highly recommend.
Also if you count CSM part 1 as it’s own manga, that was universally praised as well
I also find that I enjoy the endings of Manga a lot more when I read it after it’s all out.
Ok i get what you were trying to say about how people like to complain when darker shonen series dont end in miserable death and sadness, but at least for me personally, i dont have an issue with a more positive ending. My problem is consistency in following the themes of the seires. In jjk's case, i think it would have been better for most of the characters to remain dead in the ending or at least only keep nobara or the trio alive in order to be more realistic and still show sukuna's headonistic ideology as inferior to yuji's. idk man im yapping
fan: I don't what it to end. the same fan the same thing the same breath: why has this not ended.
Mfkr got me crying by the end 😭, as cringy as it sounds I felt a lil hurt seeing so much hate towards the protagonist of MHA for the ending especially cuz it's always been the same since day 1 especially seeing weird fans and memes, then even hate guised under criticism that people believe into that same cycle. I personally think there is a case of projection in your favourite characters or series so it almost feels like an attack to you and that kind of brings up the people who use escapism as a form of escape from reality which isn't always the best way to deal with external things you may struggle with but sometimes it helps to ease it, so when you mentioned Attack on Titan it really brought back the feelings of frustration just hearing the ending was bad when I hadn't even seen the ending just to learn it was completely overblown all along when it came to the anime, and even reading the manga for MHA (from the official chapter) I thought the ending was beautiful for Deku that I just couldn't even believe the hate that came for him no matter :P
It was pretty cathartic seeing that last bit talking about attack on titan, that unplanned ending honestly gave me a big grin because I felt a connection in that because inherently it is fiction at the end of the day yet there's always this part that cares somewhere which you might hate in of itself but not to put too much value in to that digital sphere of certain social medias, which honestly can be hard since I use self validation quite a lot.
I think you should have cover post series depression. The anticipation of that and knowing it's about it happen creates a type of bias in us, which adds to the whole ending, not being enough problem or wild reactions in some.
I mean, Dragon Ball's ending wasn't _bad._
It makes a fair bit of sense given that Goku's entire journey is about wanting to find stronger guys to fight, and Uub is special considering that he was positioned as a character (before GT) that Goku wouldn't ever really surpass. Someone that could keep up with him. So it makes a fair bit of sense why Goku would want to train him, and for multiple reasons. Not only would he get enjoyment out of it, but he'd he leaving Earth with a suitable protector once he's gone (considering that Gohan dropped the ball and doesn't necessarily like to fight).
The reason that Z's ending has that reputation is because it comes out of left field almost if you aren't really paying attention during Goku's fight with Kid Buu. Like, its easily the most fun that Goku has had fighting a villain in a long time.
JoJo's done it 6 times in shonen jump and 2 more in ultra jump. Just be better v(￣ー￣)v
Parts 5, 6 and 8 endings are somewhat controversial though.
@@shumanbeans I can understand part 6 is controversial, but part 5 and 8? Why?
@@nunobettencourt1429 Many don't like the final battle with the main villian neither the way it was ultimately defeated.
Part 8 had a trash ending 😂
@@shumanbeanspart 6 is controversial but the ending is good