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@@TheRockerX The thing with FMA and Code Geas is that they didn't have to deal with leaks and they tied all the themes and characters they developed. Hell, Code Geass had a messy final arc but the ending literally undid all the cristicisms it was building up.
I guess the thing that keeps surprising me is just how people will unceremonously switch up their stance and begin mocking the works that they loved so much before at the first sigh of a controversial ending, and will refuse to try to engage with the art in a more positive light. The ammount of toxicity Horikoshi, Akutami, Isayama, Kishimoto, Kubo and others have received from former fans is bonkers. Hardly ever conclusions for popular media are perfect, but hardly ever are as bad as people make them out to be.
imo alot of those mangas already has alot of fans who started to hate it in the dozen or so last chapters, i don't think their opinions changed just because the ending.
Jjk was never a great series due to the wierd author decisions that ruined character development and the narrative possibilities but many fanboys didn't want to accept that the problems became apparent in shibuya and the Next arcs
25:18 BRO someone said it My hero’s ending has me Pissed off not cuz I hated it but because I feel like every time. It’s brought people will JUST lie Like IVE had WAYY to many people telling me Midoriyas friends abandoned him for 8 years
The funny part is that there were already people on youtube like certain reaction channels who roughly predicted the ending the story before it happened. How you may ask? By paying attention to the characters, story, themes, symbolism, and overall narrative of the series and using their brain to come up with a logical conclusion to it ☠ People who say the ending is ''garbage'' or that it came out of nowhere never read MHA and it shows.
I think the best example I've seen of people zeroing in on one aspect of a story was with Yuji at the ending, seeing some people here and there say that they're disappointed that Yuji isn't going out on missions alone considering his strength...and I had to sit there and wonder if these people read the story at all, ESPECIALLY Hidden Inventory, cuz that would've flew in the face of everything
24:27 I was also around during the AOT manga ending era. I'll never forget how much damage that "leaker" did to the perception of AOT's ending. To this day, there's still folks who unironically think Eren literally turned into a bird. All because of a bad faith leaker.
You're amazing man. You captured the feelings I have with manga and anime today, I can admit I'm the both sides. Being a helpless fictional empathizer that changes the whole character (as someone who does write fanfics in my free time), yet someone who can accept the ending we got. As the saying goes "It is what it is." and you'll just have to have your OWN thoughts from a manga/media YOU read. I'd wait for official translations and consume it in my own pace. I'm a huge fan of Violet Evergarden and the sentiment that it's "boring" and "bland" has always bugged me. And yet I simply ignored those words and enjoyed it as what it is, an anime that made me cry and changed my views on life. People may not like it, but it doesn't mean I can't enjoy it. With AOT, it holds a special place in my heart. It's the anime that ignited my love of anime and manga as whole. Seeing the reaction of the ending of course fustrated me as I really liked it. And yet again, I just ignored it and was just happy. Yes, maybe some of the stuff in the final chapters were confusing, but I took time to understand it and not scream and blabber in online spaces because I was dumb about it. I have so much to say still, but everything I would say was already in your video. You got a new sub man! ❤️
beautiful fucking video man best animanga I've seen in so long, kinda of hilarious I was chatting with some friends about this exact thing pretty much coming to the same conclusion.
to me, as long as the author writes the ending they wanted, it’s good enough. don’t assume writers are writing for YOU. writing is an extension of yourself, the intended ending is the intended ending for a reason
People self insert too heavily in anime and manga, and tie their identity to the shows. It’s really weird imo. It’s why people get so much when a character isn’t cool or loses, because then that means they aren’t cool or they lost, and then get pissy and call it bad writing. Other than that, most people just want to hate for no reason. I over all don’t really like MHA, but the ending was mostly really good. Almost all “issues” with it come from people that can’t read or people making shit up. Demon Slayer had a great ending too, people hated on it for no real reason. The idea that shounen manga have particularly bad endings, I think is wrong. They might be worse on average, but most are fine, plenty of them are great (Naruto, FMA, etc)
Spittin, I genuinely can’t see how it’s bad in anyway other than how glaring the jump between the Taisho and modern era may have been on chapter release. But even then Gotouge fixed that in the actual volume release with extra pages that were always supposed to be in the final chapter.
When I read it I just didn't like it. I didn't like the sudden possession Muzan had towards Tanjiro, and how that moment was immediately fixed in like one chapter anyways. The 'modern era' jump was also really goofy, like really, really goofy.
Honestly, I've been kinda sceptical getting into the mha section of this video Idk purely because I've been cursed to be annoyed by millions of essays how mha sucks and fell off but how you handled the section was genuinely surprising I genuinely can't express how happy I am to see more people realise the actual point of the ending for mha, its final arc and the story This video has been a joy to watch even other non mha parts lmao
yo man, pay the shallow replies no mind, i agree with you. speaking from personal experience, i’ve always had a gripe for mha’s declining quality in art direction and animation when, in my opinion, it’s the newgen manga that needs it the MOST. but that’s more of a side note, as the real thing i wanted to mention was how it got me into reading the second war arc onwards, and that made me realize a lot of the things mentioned in this very long, yet very well put together video. i can definitely say i’ve had my closure with this series, and that’s all that really matters. in the end though, it’s easy to want to search for others to talk about the things we are invested in, and cuz of that, i’d love to discuss the mha manga in a more loving light than most of you wanna. 👍
Is it normal for a youtube video on anime to bring you to tears TWICE? WTF I was NOT prepared for this. The editing is phenomenal but you're WRITING omg how did you make me dig deep and truly feel so many moments and emotions. This mf was pulling out studies and memes to explain anime endings yet also writing absolute cinema.
erens ending is like walter white from breaking bad like walter white eren hid his selfish desire of seeing the outside world as a plain sight BEHIND a noble cause of saving his friends/paradise and thats the whole reason he says to reiner 'i am the same as you'
Really really well made video. Pretty much agree with everything, the manga that has the worst ending is the one ending right now, without anyone having the time to reflect on it. And because I know this might get overlooked, wanted to highlight the manga edits throughout this video because, wow! Really visually pleasing stuff
Any battle shonen that's ending in the social media era probably, not one in particular. Just something I noticed from fan reception across twitter when things like MHA, AOT, JJK or DBS ended@@murderman8578
I like the jjk ending, yeah I wish there was more in the story, so many things were just wasted, but i love it, the mirrored first and final panels felt so good to see. Catharsis, that’s the emotion I felt seeing the final chapter, I liked it. Chapter 269 still fucking sucked though.
I'm happy about what we got. Obviously, there were other things that could have been explored, but nothing we did get was BAD or even mid in my opinion. 269 (my least favorite chapter) wasn't even too bad when considered on its own, but yeah I don't think it deserved to be one of the final 5 chapters. Nonetheless, thank you, Gege Akutami. I will never forget you for as long as I live.
Honestly Gege left WAY too much unanswered to be satisfied. I like when Series have some unexplained stuff so you can keep guessing but they never showed Sukuna’s backstory, Yuji’s Domain name, the ability of Yuji’s domain, etc
So this could all be fixed if people actually read the manga. I'm only kinda joking. I had an argument with a dude who didn't know why Yuji could kill Mahito while Mechamaru couldn't. That was explained. A dude asked how could Nobara effect Sukuna's finger when its indestructible. The answer to that was in the same chapter. Please people read the manga.
Meee too I remember someone saying Yujis souls attacks and punches came out of nowhere When In the first season of the anime and less than 30 chapters into the story it’s explained That YUJI. Can interact with souls because he’s the vessel of sukuna
Straight facts, people are not reading the manga 😭 still... I think it wasnt rlly explained why "rika" is supposedly able to "eat" sukunas Finger. Even Sukuna thought they fed his finger to her. Wouldn't the whole Sukuna problem not exist if she was able to eat his finger 💀
@@minibluemonkey from what I remember it did receive a lot of criticism when it first dropped but I think people have warmed up to it now similar to the aot situation
I really appreciate your video, but I think you focused on the final arc/chapters too much when the real bad shounen endings are due to problems prevalent since way before those series start hinting at their conclusions, like Bleachs just becoming a repetitive nonsensical fightfest since the Arrancar arc, AoT overcomplicating itself and unorginanically trying to up the stakes for the sake of it before the timeskip; JJKs forgetting to write characters while providing lenghty paragraphs of non-diegetic power system exposition everytime someone moves a finger since Shibuya; and all of these promoting themselves as "subverting expectations" and being "darker and more adult" than similar works while, at the end, never truly feeling like the big conflict had that much stakes/consequences so the whole story becomes a frustrating experience on a second viewing. YYHs, Narutos and MHAs endings had their problems but they are literary masterpieces compared to those.
Gurren Lagann had a peak ending. as did FMA: Brotherhood. To all the folks saying: "hurr durr at least we got an ending" Sticking the landing matters. The story is a journey, you cant just act like a shit ending doesnt matter.
Seeing all these endings bring me back to the FMA and Haikyuu endings. Both had such satisfying conclusions that just remembering them hits different so hard.
I feel like most manga would be better served going on hiatus and releasing the epilogue all at once. They’re supposed to be about closure but breaking stories up into parts is about leaving people wanting more. A bigger final chapter a month after the dust settles gives both the author and the audience time to feel like a proper farewell.
Thank you so much for dedicating a full section to leaks. Fuck leakers man, they've ruined a lot of stories and have caused me to fully avoid social media for stretches at a time to avoid leaks. It's annoying
People had this whole conversation about leak culture dying after JJK ended just for these people to start leaking HxH for views they are genuinely a parasite to fandoms in the age of social media we live in
to add about leaks, some people just straight up only read the leaks and not the actual manga chapter. people who just jump from leak to leak and not read the chapters, so any mistake in the leaks will be their reality which can build up the dislike and hate
Exactly! And you add to it that TH-camrs, who may or may not even like the actual story, will try to get on the JJK hype train by quickly reading the leaks to get a chapter discussion up before the chapter even drops so now thousands of ppl in the JJK community are having their initial opinion on the chapter formed by a guy who read leaks before the official chapter even makes it to either of them. It's wild
Firstly, I know you don't mention Naruto's ending but Naruto's ending is Naruto vs Sasuke, which ties every theme in Naruto very well but regardless I still think Madara's ending was fitting since he always had a problem with his back, not trusting people and using people as tools like a shinobi, he believed he escaped the ideals of shinobis but was just living in a delusion. He was filled with hypocrisies such as his love for ninjutsu yet believed that ninjutsu is a problem. In fact prior to the reveal of Kaguya and her similarities with Madara, Madara's ideas of Kaguya fit him almost perfectly. He thought he was a god but he was just living in a dream and he wouldn't even listen to Naruto or anyone else so he got the ultimate wake up call, that being Black zetsu. I do dislike Kaguya but I enjoy Madara's conclusion.
imo alot of why the ending was the way it is is that it leaves things open ended enough to have things like sequels, side stories, etc. and you can do it WITHOUT huge time skips or making a whole new cast. it is actually a very smart ending, as it makes it a better ending than things like the big 3 or even older titans of anime.
The other thing is that it's obvious Kugisaki wasn't in the original plans to come back. When you hear all of Gege's previous interviews you can tell he had no intention of reviving her.
unless an author adapts a story, I hope magaka can adapt stories from the western market. Seriously there stuff like Worm and other underrated story that never got adapted into a popular media.
All around great video and excellent points. Tho you missed to mention Naruto's part in this. Naruto basically set that Wife and Kids, Strongest/leader ending expectation, as well as the need to spoon feed everything to the audience (not that Naruto did it in a bad way, atleast I think so atm).
One show with a good ending would be Shakugan, in my opinion. Nearly all parts comes to a conclution at the end, all chara are showing up, and, nearly everyone is fullwilling there goals. Even, when they are actually the opposite of each other ("whe need to destroy it" vs "whe need to create it").
Yes you literally can prove an wether or not an ending is good or bad objectively. The enjoyment of art is subjective the qualities that make art good can be objectively laid out and examined.
no we shouldn't, endings to books everywhere else are normal, and in comics, the medium most similar to anime, people will and still complaim These are stories we as people make, why shouldn't we expect them to finish it.
@@fan4every1lol89 true, I'd bet the 5 endings that Togashi have teased if it wasn't for the circumstances he was in, he'll probably make all the endings as canon and separate them into route endings with endings 1-5 being endings A - E kinda like similar to a JRPG, considering that Togashi really likes JRPG and some of the storytelling elements of JRPG uncannily bleeds into HxH
Gege only did one shots before this. I think he did not even expect it to be picked up as it was said that when Sukuna rips Yuji's heart out at the start, the manga was expected to end. Then it was kept going and going. Plus, weekly pushing out episodes to a story you dont want to work on anymore must be taxing. Gege clearly wanted to move on, he said he wants to do an idol manga. Its like reading a rushed fanfiction vs one that has episodes 2-3 weeks. It hurts my eyes, my heart and my brain all at once... >.> I think it also doesnt help that Anime/ manga community is super degen but JJK fans were next level vile after the Gojo incident... if i already dont want to work on something, and my fans send me death threats, I def will not be in the right mindset to write the next chapter that HAS to go out due weekly press.
It's not a paradox, it's not a problem of the readers, it's a simple storytelling issue: Falling Action. Not in terms of fighting, but in terms of story complexity. Most of these series takes years to build, establishing a world, characters, conflicts, relationships, etc. However, while frenetic action, suspense and mystery are great in building worlds up, they sucks when winding things down. The better a story is in its build-up, the greater care needs to be taken when winding it down, making sure that there is enough action and conflict even during the wrap-up. However, that is almost never the case. Once the BBEG is defeated, there are no secondary conflicts to let the story come down slowly. The story just ends. It's like sex without the aftercare. There is a great and easy way authors can avoid doing this, all they need to
Mfkr got me crying by the end 😭, as cringy as it sounds I felt a lil hurt seeing so much hate towards the protagonist of MHA for the ending especially cuz it's always been the same since day 1 especially seeing weird fans and memes, then even hate guised under criticism that people believe into that same cycle. I personally think there is a case of projection in your favourite characters or series so it almost feels like an attack to you and that kind of brings up the people who use escapism as a form of escape from reality which isn't always the best way to deal with external things you may struggle with but sometimes it helps to ease it, so when you mentioned Attack on Titan it really brought back the feelings of frustration just hearing the ending was bad when I hadn't even seen the ending just to learn it was completely overblown all along when it came to the anime, and even reading the manga for MHA (from the official chapter) I thought the ending was beautiful for Deku that I just couldn't even believe the hate that came for him no matter :P It was pretty cathartic seeing that last bit talking about attack on titan, that unplanned ending honestly gave me a big grin because I felt a connection in that because inherently it is fiction at the end of the day yet there's always this part that cares somewhere which you might hate in of itself but not to put too much value in to that digital sphere of certain social medias, which honestly can be hard since I use self validation quite a lot.
Ok i get what you were trying to say about how people like to complain when darker shonen series dont end in miserable death and sadness, but at least for me personally, i dont have an issue with a more positive ending. My problem is consistency in following the themes of the seires. In jjk's case, i think it would have been better for most of the characters to remain dead in the ending or at least only keep nobara or the trio alive in order to be more realistic and still show sukuna's headonistic ideology as inferior to yuji's. idk man im yapping
I wish jjk was not a shounen, the ending could have been as dark as gege wants it to be. It being a shonen pretty much restricted it from going too dark.
Big fan of your stuff even though I only watched the Dark Sides of Sports Manga and now this one, but as one of the people unironically pushing Kagurabachi since its debut and having spoken for hours with Brasil about his mindset towards the fandom and what he believes in, I'll have to pseudo-disagree with the idea that things are going to get worse. JJK was plagued by the leak epidemic, and you're right to say that the leaks have existed since forever ago. But instead of taking the stance of things getting worse, I think there's so much more hope in the idea that things could get better. The idea that its "only temporary" is exactly what I've come to, by my own faults realize is a doomsday stance. Maybe this fandom isn't special, maybe things will turn to rubble when the anime adaptation comes, but I use the word "maybe" with incredible weight here. Because from the getgo, from Chapter 1, from the rags to riches success, this series has gone through so many hurdles, received the support of so many, done things that are quite literally historical land marks to the Jump landscape as we know it, that I find it incredibly hard to believe this chain of miracles ends here. As for the rest of the video's 54 minutes , I lost a lot of love for JJK somewhere during the beginning of "the Sukuna Cycle" and you can probably tell just from this reply alone that the fandom memes have gravely impacted how I view the series, more so how I've come to view Sukuna, and by extension the arcs he's in. I will however take an unpopular stance here and say that even if a creation is meant to digested in its official form, especially in Toriyama's words as "something fast and not supposed to be interrupted", since I'm pretty big on analysis myself aswell, I think you and I can both agree that sitting there, digesting every single panel, piece of dialogue, background work, character art and how it ties to everything that came before, is exactly what makes these series so beloved to us. This isn't necessarily to say that Toriyama is wrong, but I think he's generalizing the Japanese experience rather than the global one. And because I'm of the mind that special manga chapters such as Yuuji and Sukuna's talk in his domain expansion should be read very slowly and digested very carefully, I do also understand the tone setting that happened the week the chapter leaked. Even if its not by intention and the leakers just post every single page at the speed of which they get their translations out, taking in each and every single panel in 5-6 minute stretches or however long it be, can offer an experience you never would've originally thought possible. I'm open to incriminating myself in saying that there have been SO many classes I've skipped on Thursday mornings where I just sit in a cafeteria while aggressively refreshing to see the next page drop. You (the reader) might not see value in that, or you'll use the classic "its disrespectful to the mangakas who spend their life creating this stuff" argument, which I 100% totally agree with: but just like Huss said, you can't blame the human mind for wanting to know what happens next in a series that's so beloved to you, that you cherish, that you wish the best for. That in itself, is a fan-made paradox that I constantly battle with as I still read One Piece leaks all the way up to the finale of Egghead, where I've finally taken the initiative decision to experience the rest of this series the intended way. This might very well be my longest TH-cam comment ever, but I guess that just shows how passisonate I am not only about Your (Huss' editing) and strive to be as good as you, even if I don't have the skills of re-drawing down just quite yet, but it also shows my passion when it comes to the different forms in which people consume manga, fiction in general. And just like the video ends off, I'll end off with the same note: "Who cares?"... "None of this matters".. Whether you read manga in official form, scanlated TCB-form, or leaked form with only summaries, your enjoyment is at the utmost importance, with everything else coming after.
I think the best way to handle manga endings is simple: 1: Don't go into leaks 2: Stay off the fandom to form your own opinion 3: Think if you personally enjoyed it or not
I'm veru glad that HxH community takes a strong stance against Manga leaks from this annoying "fans" who only cares about their enjoyment and disregard to mangaka hardwork. I hope this leak trend gets lesser in future.
I don't really understand why people value audience reception so much. Almost none of the people I've spoken to who hate the ending actually understand it, and don't want to. They're small, egotistical assholes who use their media illliteracy as an excuse to bully people because they are incapable of forming real connections. I pity them the same way Yuji pities Sukuna; not because they deserve it, but because nobody else will.
Amazing video, but media analysis like yours kind of annoy me because you focus so much on the themes of the story and talk about it in a way that sounds fantastic but the reality is that the execution of the story was terrible thats why people give it so much hate. I've seen alot of controversial endings: no country for old men, GOT the red wedding, The sopranos, Barry etc, i truly believe most people are ok with it if it is executed well and because of the format of manga publishing the execution gets so bad because they bately have anytime and are completely burnt out by the end.
This is why Gintama is peak because it finished perfectly and the final film is one of the highest rated anime of all time. It's simple just have your manga be written by a gorilla. Sorachi is the GOAT
I have a serious question here. Was FMA ending considered controversial when it first came out? Now it’s praised left and right but I wonder what the initial reaction was at the time. When I first read and finished FMA years ago (and I mean like a decade ago), I was like “oh it’s over? Okay, that was cool” but how did everyone else feel all those years ago?
FMA is a really unique situation since a lot of people criticised it's first anime adaptation and it's ending heavily (not sure about the manga) and it was only years later with the remake brotherhood that it got so much praise, who knows what the reaction would be today
@@UncleHuss1 yeah that’s why I’m so curious. Social media wasn’t really used for anime back then and leaks weren’t so common, so I really wonder who it would have affected the FMA manga’s ending if it were released today. Would it still have had the same praise as it has now? Maybe, maybe not.
As far I know, it was met with universal praise across the board was it was being published. If you `ve been to any manga forums discussions people were extremely happy. And even a more than a decade later, people still praise it and are still talking about it. The only thing that seems to change when it comes the online discurse regarding FMA, it`s that there are some people that feel that the original adaptation is better than FMAB.
@@pimentx3253 Really? That’s interesting. I like the FMA manga I thought the ending was good but I didn’t think it was THAT super amazing or anything (I guess I should clarify that I never actually saw the original anime adaptation when it was airing and my only FMA exposure as ever been the manga and a bit of Brotherhood, so I have absolutely zero nostalgic value for the series). I still respect the series a lot thought. Definitely a classic anyway.
Yeah the ending wasn't perfect, but it at least gave us some conclusion, and it was definitely better than if the merger happened or sukuna won. I think people are mainly just angry that it ended.
Great video but really ought to put a spoiler warning before the sections discussing certain stories or at the beginning of a video like this. I know we're talking endings but I wasn't ready for the ending o Bleach to be discussed or panels of the most pivotal parts of JJK to be shown on screen. Thankfully I don't intend to watch bleach any time soon and have read all of JJK but still, that's not the case for some people
"as the series become more and more popular, the editorial department of jump forced him to continue the story." go figure, this isn't a problem for just manga either, it's something that games suffer from. take assassin's creed for example, that series has been going on for years and it's yet to reach a conclusion, and it's quality has not been getting any better throughout the years.
to be quite honest, bad endings are the readers problem. art is always an un-objective piece of work, everything depends on your perception and point of view. if you hate an ending, you cannot be hating anyone but yourself because you are the one reading and enjoying the artform
A lot of pple say that the sukuna cycle was bad and it is but why I hated more than say fairytail is that the world was expanded and if u read the 100 year quest the story didn't stop and we learned more about the world With jjk u know basically nothing that world what is even is a jjk The main protag didn't get an ability( to me black flash are ki blast) I don't count that walk down memory lane thing because it did nothing to or for either party To me good Shonen has good characters well or decent power system a unique world unique fights and a decent humor Jjk had part of these but had no world building it had ideal building and that is good but most pple watch or read goka for his ideals What does it mean to live to be human and I can be wrong but i feel like everyone failed at that lesson if it is true
i dont think demon slayer ending is bad it's just the epilogue dragged on for too long and too far into the timeskip. the final battle is ass though, muzan doesn't even have unique abilities
I think you go a bit hard on John Werry. Not defending the guys' work, but you clearly understand how the industry can have negative effects on the production and the author's health, so surely that same industry can have negative effects on a different part of production, namely translation.
I completely understand having this perspective, and maybe I should've emphasised that I don't know his circumstances, but in an era where leak culture has gotten this big, not having the most accurate translations possible makes the situation so much worse. At the very least he shouldn't be translating one of the most popular mangas out there, and I know translators who have a much better track record so to an extent it is a skill issue. I'm more criticising VIZ than I am John Werry but I feel like I should've made that clearer
@@UncleHuss1 I agree that a subpar translation massively contributes to this sort of culture breakdown, I just think there's too much hate toward translators in general in the community, especially given what I've heard about turn around time and pay per page. Totally agree that Viz should ultimately be held responsible, and so I think criticisms like that should be pointed at Viz
It's because John Werry also translates for Kaguya-Sama, and his translations over there are GOOD. Then he translates a JJK chap and its hot dogshit. This shows that he consistently can do it, he just for whatever reason CHOOSES not to.
@@yaboitydus9198if tranlators weren't being out done by people who do it for free or weren't constantly either getting things wrong on intentionally butchering translations to tell the story the way they want and not how the author wants most people wouldn't care
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Were ppl rly tuned into gojo vs sukuna? I stopped caring as much before that, when gege kept introducing new characters with poorly explained powers/backstory/motives every other chapter (😊a little after culling games began). Gojo vs sukuna was just "oh great lets see who's bs power wins this coin toss"
I appreciate the nuance you bring to this topic. It would be great if the anime/manga community would actually engage with the content instead of just copying what you said in this video and parroting elsewhere. That said, I'm about to finish your video. Great stuff. But in this case, you're wrong about the JJK finale. It is, objectively, a bad ending. This has nothing to do with expectations, this has nothing to do with leaks, this has nothing to do with being empathetic towards fictional characters. The backlash comes from an ending that needed twenty or whatever chapters more to properly wrap up all the elements present in the series. Elements that got tossed away or condensed into *FIVE* chapters. It's obvious people are going to rant about the series with such low quality writing. It's not like with MHA, where expectations DID played a role in how the ending was received.
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lets take a moment to appreciate FMA's ending. probably the most complete ending to any shounen ever
Gintama and code geass both have well appreciated endings
FMA and Code Geass are just lucky to have ended before the social media era
@@TheRockerX The thing with FMA and Code Geas is that they didn't have to deal with leaks and they tied all the themes and characters they developed. Hell, Code Geass had a messy final arc but the ending literally undid all the cristicisms it was building up.
JoJo is holding up good aswell with the endings of the Parts.
Gintama, Slam Dunk, Aria and many are better imo
I guess the thing that keeps surprising me is just how people will unceremonously switch up their stance and begin mocking the works that they loved so much before at the first sigh of a controversial ending, and will refuse to try to engage with the art in a more positive light. The ammount of toxicity Horikoshi, Akutami, Isayama, Kishimoto, Kubo and others have received from former fans is bonkers.
Hardly ever conclusions for popular media are perfect, but hardly ever are as bad as people make them out to be.
@@angelamengualcortinas3614 Couldn’t have worded it better myself especially that last line
imo alot of those mangas already has alot of fans who started to hate it in the dozen or so last chapters, i don't think their opinions changed just because the ending.
@@nar1768 Yeah I think this is mostly true for jjk the amount of people that switched when they announced the 5 chapter thing is crazy.
@@Hihitoto23 imo the hate started to grow around chapter 236
Jjk was never a great series due to the wierd author decisions that ruined character development and the narrative possibilities but many fanboys didn't want to accept that the problems became apparent in shibuya and the Next arcs
25:18 BRO someone said it
My hero’s ending has me Pissed off not cuz I hated it but because I feel like every time. It’s brought people will JUST lie
Like IVE had WAYY to many people telling me Midoriyas friends abandoned him for 8 years
The funny part is that there were already people on youtube like certain reaction channels who roughly predicted the ending the story before it happened. How you may ask? By paying attention to the characters, story, themes, symbolism, and overall narrative of the series and using their brain to come up with a logical conclusion to it ☠
People who say the ending is ''garbage'' or that it came out of nowhere never read MHA and it shows.
I think the best example I've seen of people zeroing in on one aspect of a story was with Yuji at the ending, seeing some people here and there say that they're disappointed that Yuji isn't going out on missions alone considering his strength...and I had to sit there and wonder if these people read the story at all, ESPECIALLY Hidden Inventory, cuz that would've flew in the face of everything
for real like the whole point of the story is "it's lonely at the top" and the ending is a perfect subversion of that
24:27 I was also around during the AOT manga ending era. I'll never forget how much damage that "leaker" did to the perception of AOT's ending.
To this day, there's still folks who unironically think Eren literally turned into a bird. All because of a bad faith leaker.
Wait wait, people thought WHAT?
That ending was still garbage, leak or not
@@trashman1605 you're allowed to be wrong
You're amazing man. You captured the feelings I have with manga and anime today, I can admit I'm the both sides. Being a helpless fictional empathizer that changes the whole character (as someone who does write fanfics in my free time), yet someone who can accept the ending we got. As the saying goes "It is what it is." and you'll just have to have your OWN thoughts from a manga/media YOU read. I'd wait for official translations and consume it in my own pace.
I'm a huge fan of Violet Evergarden and the sentiment that it's "boring" and "bland" has always bugged me. And yet I simply ignored those words and enjoyed it as what it is, an anime that made me cry and changed my views on life. People may not like it, but it doesn't mean I can't enjoy it.
With AOT, it holds a special place in my heart. It's the anime that ignited my love of anime and manga as whole. Seeing the reaction of the ending of course fustrated me as I really liked it. And yet again, I just ignored it and was just happy. Yes, maybe some of the stuff in the final chapters were confusing, but I took time to understand it and not scream and blabber in online spaces because I was dumb about it.
I have so much to say still, but everything I would say was already in your video. You got a new sub man! ❤️
beautiful fucking video man best animanga I've seen in so long, kinda of hilarious I was chatting with some friends about this exact thing pretty much coming to the same conclusion.
to me, as long as the author writes the ending they wanted, it’s good enough. don’t assume writers are writing for YOU. writing is an extension of yourself, the intended ending is the intended ending for a reason
People self insert too heavily in anime and manga, and tie their identity to the shows. It’s really weird imo. It’s why people get so much when a character isn’t cool or loses, because then that means they aren’t cool or they lost, and then get pissy and call it bad writing.
Other than that, most people just want to hate for no reason. I over all don’t really like MHA, but the ending was mostly really good. Almost all “issues” with it come from people that can’t read or people making shit up. Demon Slayer had a great ending too, people hated on it for no real reason. The idea that shounen manga have particularly bad endings, I think is wrong. They might be worse on average, but most are fine, plenty of them are great (Naruto, FMA, etc)
Demon Slayer's ending isn't considered bad, in fact, it's the perfect ending and most reasonable people understand this
Spittin, I genuinely can’t see how it’s bad in anyway other than how glaring the jump between the Taisho and modern era may have been on chapter release. But even then Gotouge fixed that in the actual volume release with extra pages that were always supposed to be in the final chapter.
When I read it I just didn't like it. I didn't like the sudden possession Muzan had towards Tanjiro, and how that moment was immediately fixed in like one chapter anyways. The 'modern era' jump was also really goofy, like really, really goofy.
Every single complaint I have seen about DS ending was stupid.
Rly? I heard people kinda hated it
This is such a great video,you gain a new fan
@@adriananderson4785 love to see it
Honestly, I've been kinda sceptical getting into the mha section of this video
Idk purely because I've been cursed to be annoyed by millions of essays how mha sucks and fell off but how you handled the section was genuinely surprising
I genuinely can't express how happy I am to see more people realise the actual point of the ending for mha, its final arc and the story
This video has been a joy to watch even other non mha parts lmao
Just put the fries in the bag Deku
Nah man that ending is objectively garbage
yo man, pay the shallow replies no mind, i agree with you.
speaking from personal experience, i’ve always had a gripe for mha’s declining quality in art direction and animation when, in my opinion, it’s the newgen manga that needs it the MOST. but that’s more of a side note, as the real thing i wanted to mention was how it got me into reading the second war arc onwards, and that made me realize a lot of the things mentioned in this very long, yet very well put together video.
i can definitely say i’ve had my closure with this series, and that’s all that really matters. in the end though, it’s easy to want to search for others to talk about the things we are invested in, and cuz of that, i’d love to discuss the mha manga in a more loving light than most of you wanna. 👍
Is it normal for a youtube video on anime to bring you to tears TWICE? WTF I was NOT prepared for this. The editing is phenomenal but you're WRITING omg how did you make me dig deep and truly feel so many moments and emotions. This mf was pulling out studies and memes to explain anime endings yet also writing absolute cinema.
I love the appreciation of MHA's ending. I need more non-dumbasses to cover it like this.
erens ending is like walter white from breaking bad
like walter white eren hid his selfish desire of seeing the outside world as a plain sight BEHIND a noble cause of saving his friends/paradise and thats the whole reason he says to reiner
'i am the same as you'
Really really well made video. Pretty much agree with everything, the manga that has the worst ending is the one ending right now, without anyone having the time to reflect on it. And because I know this might get overlooked, wanted to highlight the manga edits throughout this video because, wow! Really visually pleasing stuff
Which manga
Any battle shonen that's ending in the social media era probably, not one in particular. Just something I noticed from fan reception across twitter when things like MHA, AOT, JJK or DBS ended@@murderman8578
I like the jjk ending, yeah I wish there was more in the story, so many things were just wasted, but i love it, the mirrored first and final panels felt so good to see. Catharsis, that’s the emotion I felt seeing the final chapter, I liked it. Chapter 269 still fucking sucked though.
I'm happy about what we got. Obviously, there were other things that could have been explored, but nothing we did get was BAD or even mid in my opinion. 269 (my least favorite chapter) wasn't even too bad when considered on its own, but yeah I don't think it deserved to be one of the final 5 chapters. Nonetheless, thank you, Gege Akutami. I will never forget you for as long as I live.
Honestly Gege left WAY too much unanswered to be satisfied. I like when Series have some unexplained stuff so you can keep guessing but they never showed Sukuna’s backstory, Yuji’s Domain name, the ability of Yuji’s domain, etc
So this could all be fixed if people actually read the manga. I'm only kinda joking. I had an argument with a dude who didn't know why Yuji could kill Mahito while Mechamaru couldn't. That was explained. A dude asked how could Nobara effect Sukuna's finger when its indestructible. The answer to that was in the same chapter. Please people read the manga.
Terrible comic, terrible fanbase.
@@Iianator ok
Meee too I remember someone saying Yujis souls attacks and punches came out of nowhere
When In the first season of the anime and less than 30 chapters into the story it’s explained That YUJI. Can interact with souls because he’s the vessel of sukuna
@@RaiginAnimator It's always baffling that they can't do a Google search before they complain.
Straight facts, people are not reading the manga 😭 still...
I think it wasnt rlly explained why "rika" is supposedly able to "eat" sukunas Finger.
Even Sukuna thought they fed his finger to her.
Wouldn't the whole Sukuna problem not exist if she was able to eat his finger 💀
Ya know, I love it when Son Yuji used kaioken times 10 against Mahieeza and even the spirit bomb
Wait, people dont like the Hells Paradise ending? I thought it was pretty good
It ended?!?
@@juancastruita1474
Yep. Actually the author dropped a one-shot before the anime transmitted
Sorry for the bad english. Isn't my first language
@@minibluemonkey from what I remember it did receive a lot of criticism when it first dropped but I think people have warmed up to it now similar to the aot situation
They are crazy
Amazing video +Aot Appreciation 10/10 hope many more people get to see this video also an Important message.
I really appreciate your video, but I think you focused on the final arc/chapters too much when the real bad shounen endings are due to problems prevalent since way before those series start hinting at their conclusions, like Bleachs just becoming a repetitive nonsensical fightfest since the Arrancar arc, AoT overcomplicating itself and unorginanically trying to up the stakes for the sake of it before the timeskip; JJKs forgetting to write characters while providing lenghty paragraphs of non-diegetic power system exposition everytime someone moves a finger since Shibuya; and all of these promoting themselves as "subverting expectations" and being "darker and more adult" than similar works while, at the end, never truly feeling like the big conflict had that much stakes/consequences so the whole story becomes a frustrating experience on a second viewing.
YYHs, Narutos and MHAs endings had their problems but they are literary masterpieces compared to those.
Gurren Lagann had a peak ending. as did FMA: Brotherhood. To all the folks saying: "hurr durr at least we got an ending"
Sticking the landing matters. The story is a journey, you cant just act like a shit ending doesnt matter.
Seeing all these endings bring me back to the FMA and Haikyuu endings. Both had such satisfying conclusions that just remembering them hits different so hard.
exactly 💯
Gurren Lagann ending was trash
Gurren Lagann is a TV Show they have much more time to cook a satisfying ending from pre production.
@@申月営無営月無営有申 Did you watch the show with your fingers? Because I know you gotta be blind with an opinion that bad.
I'm so glad you made a video about this because I've noticed this trend after MHA and JJK ended and didn't know what to do with that feeling
I feel like most manga would be better served going on hiatus and releasing the epilogue all at once. They’re supposed to be about closure but breaking stories up into parts is about leaving people wanting more. A bigger final chapter a month after the dust settles gives both the author and the audience time to feel like a proper farewell.
Thank you so much for dedicating a full section to leaks. Fuck leakers man, they've ruined a lot of stories and have caused me to fully avoid social media for stretches at a time to avoid leaks. It's annoying
People had this whole conversation about leak culture dying after JJK ended just for these people to start leaking HxH for views they are genuinely a parasite to fandoms in the age of social media we live in
man, that was the best interpretation i've heard for bleach
Great video. You earned a new subscriber.
to add about leaks, some people just straight up only read the leaks and not the actual manga chapter. people who just jump from leak to leak and not read the chapters, so any mistake in the leaks will be their reality which can build up the dislike and hate
Exactly! And you add to it that TH-camrs, who may or may not even like the actual story, will try to get on the JJK hype train by quickly reading the leaks to get a chapter discussion up before the chapter even drops so now thousands of ppl in the JJK community are having their initial opinion on the chapter formed by a guy who read leaks before the official chapter even makes it to either of them. It's wild
Firstly, I know you don't mention Naruto's ending but Naruto's ending is Naruto vs Sasuke, which ties every theme in Naruto very well but regardless I still think Madara's ending was fitting since he always had a problem with his back, not trusting people and using people as tools like a shinobi, he believed he escaped the ideals of shinobis but was just living in a delusion. He was filled with hypocrisies such as his love for ninjutsu yet believed that ninjutsu is a problem. In fact prior to the reveal of Kaguya and her similarities with Madara, Madara's ideas of Kaguya fit him almost perfectly. He thought he was a god but he was just living in a dream and he wouldn't even listen to Naruto or anyone else so he got the ultimate wake up call, that being Black zetsu. I do dislike Kaguya but I enjoy Madara's conclusion.
really intresting video. I may not have cared about JJK ending but I never understood why people called it terrible
imo alot of why the ending was the way it is is that it leaves things open ended enough to have things like sequels, side stories, etc. and you can do it WITHOUT huge time skips or making a whole new cast. it is actually a very smart ending, as it makes it a better ending than things like the big 3 or even older titans of anime.
Bro they do NOT want to continue the series lmao. Kubo on the other hand used the time skip to perfection to start BTW and Hell arc.
every vid so far has been a banger keep this quality up man 💯
The other thing is that it's obvious Kugisaki wasn't in the original plans to come back. When you hear all of Gege's previous interviews you can tell he had no intention of reviving her.
unless an author adapts a story, I hope magaka can adapt stories from the western market. Seriously there stuff like Worm and other underrated story that never got adapted into a popular media.
All around great video and excellent points. Tho you missed to mention Naruto's part in this. Naruto basically set that Wife and Kids, Strongest/leader ending expectation, as well as the need to spoon feed everything to the audience (not that Naruto did it in a bad way, atleast I think so atm).
gonna read every shounen manga then come back to this video 🫡
One show with a good ending would be Shakugan, in my opinion.
Nearly all parts comes to a conclution at the end, all chara are showing up, and, nearly everyone is fullwilling there goals. Even, when they are actually the opposite of each other ("whe need to destroy it" vs "whe need to create it").
Yes you literally can prove an wether or not an ending is good or bad objectively. The enjoyment of art is subjective the qualities that make art good can be objectively laid out and examined.
Meanwhile mob psycho and JJ having the best fcking finals
People should be thankful they even get an ending.
Berserk fans be like.
no we shouldn't, endings to books everywhere else are normal, and in comics, the medium most similar to anime, people will and still complaim
These are stories we as people make, why shouldn't we expect them to finish it.
Yeah look at hiatus x hiatus
I'm pretty satisfied with the HxH anime ending, but for Vagabond and Berserk it does sting
@@fan4every1lol89 true, I'd bet the 5 endings that Togashi have teased if it wasn't for the circumstances he was in, he'll probably make all the endings as canon and separate them into route endings with endings 1-5 being endings A - E kinda like similar to a JRPG, considering that Togashi really likes JRPG and some of the storytelling elements of JRPG uncannily bleeds into HxH
Gege only did one shots before this. I think he did not even expect it to be picked up as it was said that when Sukuna rips Yuji's heart out at the start, the manga was expected to end. Then it was kept going and going. Plus, weekly pushing out episodes to a story you dont want to work on anymore must be taxing. Gege clearly wanted to move on, he said he wants to do an idol manga. Its like reading a rushed fanfiction vs one that has episodes 2-3 weeks. It hurts my eyes, my heart and my brain all at once... >.> I think it also doesnt help that Anime/ manga community is super degen but JJK fans were next level vile after the Gojo incident... if i already dont want to work on something, and my fans send me death threats, I def will not be in the right mindset to write the next chapter that HAS to go out due weekly press.
Hey man this was a wonderful video keep grinding
Amazing amazing video as always💚
Anime/manga with great ending:
-Code geass
- Usogui (manga)
-FMAB
- devilman crybaby
-Attack on Titan
-Naruto
- cyberpunk E.
It's not a paradox, it's not a problem of the readers, it's a simple storytelling issue: Falling Action.
Not in terms of fighting, but in terms of story complexity. Most of these series takes years to build, establishing a world, characters, conflicts, relationships, etc. However, while frenetic action, suspense and mystery are great in building worlds up, they sucks when winding things down.
The better a story is in its build-up, the greater care needs to be taken when winding it down, making sure that there is enough action and conflict even during the wrap-up.
However, that is almost never the case. Once the BBEG is defeated, there are no secondary conflicts to let the story come down slowly. The story just ends. It's like sex without the aftercare.
There is a great and easy way authors can avoid doing this, all they need to
But besides that, great video, man. I do enjoy your content.
Amazing video
Mfkr got me crying by the end 😭, as cringy as it sounds I felt a lil hurt seeing so much hate towards the protagonist of MHA for the ending especially cuz it's always been the same since day 1 especially seeing weird fans and memes, then even hate guised under criticism that people believe into that same cycle. I personally think there is a case of projection in your favourite characters or series so it almost feels like an attack to you and that kind of brings up the people who use escapism as a form of escape from reality which isn't always the best way to deal with external things you may struggle with but sometimes it helps to ease it, so when you mentioned Attack on Titan it really brought back the feelings of frustration just hearing the ending was bad when I hadn't even seen the ending just to learn it was completely overblown all along when it came to the anime, and even reading the manga for MHA (from the official chapter) I thought the ending was beautiful for Deku that I just couldn't even believe the hate that came for him no matter :P
It was pretty cathartic seeing that last bit talking about attack on titan, that unplanned ending honestly gave me a big grin because I felt a connection in that because inherently it is fiction at the end of the day yet there's always this part that cares somewhere which you might hate in of itself but not to put too much value in to that digital sphere of certain social medias, which honestly can be hard since I use self validation quite a lot.
jigokuraku had a great ending i never heard anyone complain abt it
amazing vid
You gained a new subscriber this video is insane
Excellent video bro
Ok i get what you were trying to say about how people like to complain when darker shonen series dont end in miserable death and sadness, but at least for me personally, i dont have an issue with a more positive ending. My problem is consistency in following the themes of the seires. In jjk's case, i think it would have been better for most of the characters to remain dead in the ending or at least only keep nobara or the trio alive in order to be more realistic and still show sukuna's headonistic ideology as inferior to yuji's. idk man im yapping
Twin Stars ending was goated
I wish jjk was not a shounen, the ending could have been as dark as gege wants it to be. It being a shonen pretty much restricted it from going too dark.
Big fan of your stuff even though I only watched the Dark Sides of Sports Manga and now this one, but as one of the people unironically pushing Kagurabachi since its debut and having spoken for hours with Brasil about his mindset towards the fandom and what he believes in, I'll have to pseudo-disagree with the idea that things are going to get worse. JJK was plagued by the leak epidemic, and you're right to say that the leaks have existed since forever ago. But instead of taking the stance of things getting worse, I think there's so much more hope in the idea that things could get better. The idea that its "only temporary" is exactly what I've come to, by my own faults realize is a doomsday stance. Maybe this fandom isn't special, maybe things will turn to rubble when the anime adaptation comes, but I use the word "maybe" with incredible weight here. Because from the getgo, from Chapter 1, from the rags to riches success, this series has gone through so many hurdles, received the support of so many, done things that are quite literally historical land marks to the Jump landscape as we know it, that I find it incredibly hard to believe this chain of miracles ends here.
As for the rest of the video's 54 minutes , I lost a lot of love for JJK somewhere during the beginning of "the Sukuna Cycle" and you can probably tell just from this reply alone that the fandom memes have gravely impacted how I view the series, more so how I've come to view Sukuna, and by extension the arcs he's in. I will however take an unpopular stance here and say that even if a creation is meant to digested in its official form, especially in Toriyama's words as "something fast and not supposed to be interrupted", since I'm pretty big on analysis myself aswell, I think you and I can both agree that sitting there, digesting every single panel, piece of dialogue, background work, character art and how it ties to everything that came before, is exactly what makes these series so beloved to us. This isn't necessarily to say that Toriyama is wrong, but I think he's generalizing the Japanese experience rather than the global one. And because I'm of the mind that special manga chapters such as Yuuji and Sukuna's talk in his domain expansion should be read very slowly and digested very carefully, I do also understand the tone setting that happened the week the chapter leaked. Even if its not by intention and the leakers just post every single page at the speed of which they get their translations out, taking in each and every single panel in 5-6 minute stretches or however long it be, can offer an experience you never would've originally thought possible. I'm open to incriminating myself in saying that there have been SO many classes I've skipped on Thursday mornings where I just sit in a cafeteria while aggressively refreshing to see the next page drop. You (the reader) might not see value in that, or you'll use the classic "its disrespectful to the mangakas who spend their life creating this stuff" argument, which I 100% totally agree with: but just like Huss said, you can't blame the human mind for wanting to know what happens next in a series that's so beloved to you, that you cherish, that you wish the best for. That in itself, is a fan-made paradox that I constantly battle with as I still read One Piece leaks all the way up to the finale of Egghead, where I've finally taken the initiative decision to experience the rest of this series the intended way.
This might very well be my longest TH-cam comment ever, but I guess that just shows how passisonate I am not only about Your (Huss' editing) and strive to be as good as you, even if I don't have the skills of re-drawing down just quite yet, but it also shows my passion when it comes to the different forms in which people consume manga, fiction in general.
And just like the video ends off, I'll end off with the same note: "Who cares?"... "None of this matters".. Whether you read manga in official form, scanlated TCB-form, or leaked form with only summaries, your enjoyment is at the utmost importance, with everything else coming after.
thank you so much man, genuinely this comment means the world to me
I appreciate your support and input
The Nana music surprised me
I think the best way to handle manga endings is simple:
1: Don't go into leaks
2: Stay off the fandom to form your own opinion
3: Think if you personally enjoyed it or not
4. DONT BE ON FUCKING TWITTER
I'm veru glad that HxH community takes a strong stance against Manga leaks from this annoying "fans" who only cares about their enjoyment and disregard to mangaka hardwork.
I hope this leak trend gets lesser in future.
I don't really understand why people value audience reception so much. Almost none of the people I've spoken to who hate the ending actually understand it, and don't want to. They're small, egotistical assholes who use their media illliteracy as an excuse to bully people because they are incapable of forming real connections. I pity them the same way Yuji pities Sukuna; not because they deserve it, but because nobody else will.
Underrated video
Amazing video, but media analysis like yours kind of annoy me because you focus so much on the themes of the story and talk about it in a way that sounds fantastic but the reality is that the execution of the story was terrible thats why people give it so much hate.
I've seen alot of controversial endings: no country for old men, GOT the red wedding, The sopranos, Barry etc, i truly believe most people are ok with it if it is executed well and because of the format of manga publishing the execution gets so bad because they bately have anytime and are completely burnt out by the end.
This is why Gintama is peak because it finished perfectly and the final film is one of the highest rated anime of all time. It's simple just have your manga be written by a gorilla. Sorachi is the GOAT
I have a serious question here. Was FMA ending considered controversial when it first came out? Now it’s praised left and right but I wonder what the initial reaction was at the time. When I first read and finished FMA years ago (and I mean like a decade ago), I was like “oh it’s over? Okay, that was cool” but how did everyone else feel all those years ago?
FMA is a really unique situation since a lot of people criticised it's first anime adaptation and it's ending heavily (not sure about the manga) and it was only years later with the remake brotherhood that it got so much praise, who knows what the reaction would be today
@@UncleHuss1 yeah that’s why I’m so curious. Social media wasn’t really used for anime back then and leaks weren’t so common, so I really wonder who it would have affected the FMA manga’s ending if it were released today. Would it still have had the same praise as it has now? Maybe, maybe not.
As far I know, it was met with universal praise across the board was it was being published. If you `ve been to any manga forums discussions people were extremely happy. And even a more than a decade later, people still praise it and are still talking about it. The only thing that seems to change when it comes the online discurse regarding FMA, it`s that there are some people that feel that the original adaptation is better than FMAB.
@@pimentx3253 Really? That’s interesting. I like the FMA manga I thought the ending was good but I didn’t think it was THAT super amazing or anything (I guess I should clarify that I never actually saw the original anime adaptation when it was airing and my only FMA exposure as ever been the manga and a bit of Brotherhood, so I have absolutely zero nostalgic value for the series). I still respect the series a lot thought. Definitely a classic anyway.
Yeah the ending wasn't perfect, but it at least gave us some conclusion, and it was definitely better than if the merger happened or sukuna won. I think people are mainly just angry that it ended.
7:24 Hold my beer.
BANGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought I was having an autistic moment reading the translations. That I read it wrong. NOPE turns out I did not know it was John Werry.
Great video but really ought to put a spoiler warning before the sections discussing certain stories or at the beginning of a video like this. I know we're talking endings but I wasn't ready for the ending o Bleach to be discussed or panels of the most pivotal parts of JJK to be shown on screen. Thankfully I don't intend to watch bleach any time soon and have read all of JJK but still, that's not the case for some people
full metal alchemist breaks this paradox
Wait did people not like Chainsaw Man part 1's ending?
I liked the mha ending but I wanted the ururaka payoff
A vocal minority of people hate Jjks happy ending
I fw AOT ending heavily
Where's the milk🥛 ???
All things considered, Naruto and Demon skayers ending weren't half bad, especially the ladder
"as the series become more and more popular, the editorial department of jump forced him to continue the story."
go figure, this isn't a problem for just manga either, it's something that games suffer from.
take assassin's creed for example, that series has been going on for years and it's yet to reach a conclusion, and it's quality has not been getting any better throughout the years.
32:41 you think?
Our boi Chad 😢
to be quite honest, bad endings are the readers problem. art is always an un-objective piece of work, everything depends on your perception and point of view. if you hate an ending, you cannot be hating anyone but yourself because you are the one reading and enjoying the artform
what a good video
A lot of pple say that the sukuna cycle was bad and it is but why I hated more than say fairytail is that the world was expanded and if u read the 100 year quest the story didn't stop and we learned more about the world
With jjk u know basically nothing that world what is even is a jjk
The main protag didn't get an ability( to me black flash are ki blast) I don't count that walk down memory lane thing because it did nothing to or for either party
To me good Shonen has good characters well or decent power system a unique world unique fights and a decent humor
Jjk had part of these but had no world building it had ideal building and that is good but most pple watch or read goka for his ideals
What does it mean to live to be human and I can be wrong but i feel like everyone failed at that lesson if it is true
People dislike Food Wars ending?????
i dont think demon slayer ending is bad it's just the epilogue dragged on for too long and too far into the timeskip. the final battle is ass though, muzan doesn't even have unique abilities
Except GODA. He is the GOAT
Character assassination titan
I think you go a bit hard on John Werry. Not defending the guys' work, but you clearly understand how the industry can have negative effects on the production and the author's health, so surely that same industry can have negative effects on a different part of production, namely translation.
I completely understand having this perspective, and maybe I should've emphasised that I don't know his circumstances, but in an era where leak culture has gotten this big, not having the most accurate translations possible makes the situation so much worse.
At the very least he shouldn't be translating one of the most popular mangas out there, and I know translators who have a much better track record so to an extent it is a skill issue.
I'm more criticising VIZ than I am John Werry but I feel like I should've made that clearer
@@UncleHuss1 I agree that a subpar translation massively contributes to this sort of culture breakdown, I just think there's too much hate toward translators in general in the community, especially given what I've heard about turn around time and pay per page. Totally agree that Viz should ultimately be held responsible, and so I think criticisms like that should be pointed at Viz
It's because John Werry also translates for Kaguya-Sama, and his translations over there are GOOD. Then he translates a JJK chap and its hot dogshit. This shows that he consistently can do it, he just for whatever reason CHOOSES not to.
@@anusaukko6792this is interesting, maybe this highlights something wrong on the translation industry side
@@yaboitydus9198if tranlators weren't being out done by people who do it for free or weren't constantly either getting things wrong on intentionally butchering translations to tell the story the way they want and not how the author wants most people wouldn't care
I’ve always hated leaks
Wait what happened with mha? I didn't pay attention to it.
Basically ppl are mad on how deku was “cucked” at the ending of the story.
Such a beautiful video. You get a sub from me bro 🔥
Judging by the beginning of the video I’m guessing you don’t like 7DS?😂
One piece gonna have a great ending though
Nice cool keep
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Were ppl rly tuned into gojo vs sukuna? I stopped caring as much before that, when gege kept introducing new characters with poorly explained powers/backstory/motives every other chapter (😊a little after culling games began). Gojo vs sukuna was just "oh great lets see who's bs power wins this coin toss"
sorry to you but yes, they were lol. You missed a literal cultural phenomenon, that's how tuned in ppl were
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Jojo somehow managed to pull off 8 endings successfully
Eh, not jojolion
I appreciate the nuance you bring to this topic. It would be great if the anime/manga community would actually engage with the content instead of just copying what you said in this video and parroting elsewhere.
That said, I'm about to finish your video. Great stuff. But in this case, you're wrong about the JJK finale.
It is, objectively, a bad ending. This has nothing to do with expectations, this has nothing to do with leaks, this has nothing to do with being empathetic towards fictional characters. The backlash comes from an ending that needed twenty or whatever chapters more to properly wrap up all the elements present in the series. Elements that got tossed away or condensed into *FIVE* chapters. It's obvious people are going to rant about the series with such low quality writing.
It's not like with MHA, where expectations DID played a role in how the ending was received.