zhenq did almost the same as rublev in dubai and she was even that much cheeky that she said it to the umpire instead of being ashamed of herself that she made up this whole thing lol
Moratelli/Siskova really think a professional umpire doesn't understand the concept of overruling? Then 5 seconds later they give an example of her overruling in the previous set 🤦♂️
God, as a german I dislike Siegemund a lot. She's such a crybaby, out of line and like in the video often completely wrong. I guarantee you, she doesn't have the courage to apologize for her embarassing behaviour afterwards.
@@mvdqpno, some villains we love, others we hate. Everybody hated Rosol. This is actually one of the few moments that Siegemund is right. Not so smart to put her hand up tho even if it was after the call.
@@omicidio-mx9rg Nah, not 100% right. She does have a case tho. But she still raised her finger instantly, but the call was just as early, but obviously she wouldnt have raised her finger, if she heard the call first. She is a drama queen.
Right!? I haven't seen many balls as clearly in as that one... I mean, that's not one of those "even Hawkeye is doubting" balls, it's inches inside the court!
I'm guessing not a lot of people know the rule but surprisingly, J Zhang was right on this one, correctly seeing what happened (even though she wasn't exactly the best at communicating it). Foot faults are fair game as soon as the motion starts, not just when you hit the ball. If you rewatch Pliskova's serve, you can clearly see her back foot is over the center line when she tosses the ball. But even then you have to wait until the ball is struck before calling it since in theory, you can catch the ball and start over (and then there would be no serve to call a foot fault on lol). If you need a great example of this rule being explained to a player, look up the exchange between Nick Kyrgios and James Keothavong at Wimbledon. Keothavong explains it perfectly and succinctly.
I‘m a volleyball ref, in volleyball if you‘re doing a jump serve the place where you leave the floor is crucial. With the serve of Pliskova, her foot was clearly not overstepping the middle when she hit the ball. Is it actually where you start? If i am clearly overstepping the base line, throw the baal backwards and do a step back to hit the serve, that would also be called a foot-fault?
Yeah, she is a total basket case - but is it just me, or does her initial explanation make sense? That she raised her hand because she was just making it clear that it was out? She does go full Karen afterwards, I agree…
@@Jitesh108 Players also raise their hands to celebrate won points. Laura Siegmund raised her hand because she thought that she won that point, yes she was wrong about that, but still............
@@markusweidlich9653 they were arguing about the fact that the umpire didn't know the rule. They asked if she can correct the call and the umpire said no. In this situation calling the supervisor was useless, because he cannot do anything
True, but in the argument they played dirty the Umpir because of her difficulties of language. She clearly dated that she can’t overrule because she was not 100% sure, which is the rule
That's what happens when you play in asia vs asian players with an asian umpire. You get screwed all day long. They might as well get rid of the asian tour cause it's always a cheat fest there
You gotta feel bad for Andreeva because the umpire was totally in the wrong there. Also Zheng seems to be in tons of drama but I would say Fernandez's father can be disruptive and loud so I don't blame her for telling him to be quiet.
Btw, what happens after an event like 18:10? do the umpire get scolded, have to miss some tournaments, does the line umpire get fired? or how do they prevent these in the future, or any new rule to fight this?
Umpires are severely underpaid and there arn't a lot of adults willing to travel the world on their own just to umpire for some ball game for minimum wage. So no, they dont get punished. Their job is punishment enough.
@@frankdartagnan2709 understandable, i acknowledge they deserve more respect on avg, and they stimes do crazy mistakes .. probably some more financial motivation would be nice :)
18:15 that ball was so in that there was green court visible between the ball and the line on the now uploaded to youtube replay here. How blind do you have to be to not notice that? Trully a shockingly bad call, like a "fired linesperson" level of bad.
Siegemund saying that the near line is the umpire's line shows that she's never physically sat in the umpire's chair before. It is WAY easier to see in/out on the far sidelines. You can't see the gap between ball and line on the near ones because the ball is blocking the view.
You mean if down the line shots are compared the one farthest away from ump is easier to see? That is hard to believe but I believe you if you have been umpiring
Bro stop defending these terrible umpires that ball was clearly out they need to do a better job than that! Not to mention that was the umpires second BIG mistake in a BIG situation during that match.
@ Not 100% sure. At some point the umpire said that she stopped the point but she didn’t seem so sure about that, so she insisted that the call came after the shot and that her shot went out. So if she proves that the ball was indeed in, that’s a replay the point
@@Karjakin_ the issue is that she challenged before the line judge called it out which means she stopped the point, so it doesn’t matter if her ball was in or out.
i mean why did Andreeva lose the point? She played the ball in and Stakusic stoped and did not play the ball back. Even the Chair umpaire sayed she returned the ball?!?
When you stop playing there must be a reason, such as a challenge. In any case, the play is reviewed and if there's no valid reason why the point should be yours, it's given to the player that didn't stop the game.
Even if that were true, that only meant that Erika raised the hand after the serve, so it would be point for Stakusic either way. Stakusic was tossing the ball to hit the serve, so it makes absolutely sense that the umpire was looking at her, and only looked to Andreeva as the ball was hit to her. Just a case of a badly timed wasp.
@@16jWGtn1OFS1P4 In Grand Slams, I notice that quite a few WTA and ATP chair umpires swap to umpire each other's associations. For example, Mohamed Lahyani would umpire female matches and Marija Čičak would umpire male matches at Wimbledon. I remember when Jennifer Zhang umpired one of Alexander Bublik's matches at the US Open, and Bublik was very angry with Jennifer's umpiring, and was scolding and screaming at her. lol
"I used to love Bia Haddad Maia..." What was she supposed to do? The umpire DECIDED to give Bia that point, It was not her fault at all What's your opinion about Garín behavior at Estoril earlier this year btw?
I am glad i dont play. Because i see umpire Zhang and i get some kind of ptsd, knowing she will be wrong almost all the time something needs her desicion.
I like how sorribes tormo decided to complain in English at the end even tho they were talking in Spanish earlier. Is English just a better Karen language 😬
2025 is coming - like fucking c'mon get rid of all refs and make electronic call and review possible for all situations. Have a challenge ref on site or in control room instead.
I think that a lot of tennis players are a little too soft. They claim that literally everything distracts them, if somebody in the audience sneezes theyre like "omg, i cant serve in these conditions". Compare that to the things they do in the audience on fotball matches, and its like 2 worlds.
Your partially right but tennis is a game of concentration and reaction. If you are even slightly distracted you will lose the point. Some players definitely do take it to seriously sometimes
@mattjagar6324 well, the same concentration is required when you shoot free throws in basketball or shoot a penalty in football, and there's 20.000 people screaming and whistling. They don't complain about that when they miss, it's seen as just a part of the game
@@excentrik5725 it’s a fair point but I do understand where Matt is coming from, if it’s consistently noisy then players won’t complain, but if it’s it consistently quiet and then somebody makes some noise, it can be distracting. White noise vs sudden change in noise.
Siskova and Moratelli are nasty. She very clearly was saying she cannot overule if she isn't sure. And accusing the Japanese of favoritism and cheating on top of it?
But it was an unfair call and if you watch the whole match, it was the third time against Siskova. She is rightfully upset and hence she can accuse the officials for favoritism, I mean favoritism can happen, it’s possible
Very impressed with the female indian (indian?) umpire gosavi standing firm against a bs objection from siegemund - didn't have a great play,didn't get next ball in vs. haddad miaia hard done by however - did have play next ball in. Advantage after wrong call is one of the last biig judgement calls for umpires - really separates the mens from boys and women from girls umpire wise
Should the umpires not at least have a certain level of English to do their job? Some of them are barely able to communicate simple thoughts it seems, no idea how they are supposed to deal with emotional and often unreasonable international players with these poor language skills
I agree with siegnmund and think wta should take a unified stance on balls like this, and it should be a replay(unless it’s a super clean winner), that way nobody is at disadvantage like she said.
No, the umpire made the correct decision. Siegemund put her hand up to challenge the call. She lost the challenge. Therefore she loses the point. For example, if my opponent hits a serve and I challenge it, is it a replay if the ball is in? Nope, I lose the point.
I'm relieved that this channel ain't dead.
@@IamCravenMoorhead_69 Me too. I for long time thought that this channel is dead. This channel wasn't posting videos anymore for extremely long time.
@@einarsd4 Probably because most drama comes from line calls and there are less and less tournaments using line judges now.
@whywhowhatwhere there will always be drama with players like Zheng, Putintseva, Siegmund etc.
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wow... i didn't realize zheng was so unhinged haha! great video missed you
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wow that 18:10 ball couldnt have been more clearly in.
Yeah it wasn't even close to touching the line or whatever, it was at least 20cm in
that line umpire should retire
18:10 that ball was miles in.
And the ump with her room temperature IQ and her closed eyes can’t connect the links in her head lmao
WTA 250 doubles match... I couldn't expect less
zhenq did almost the same as rublev in dubai and she was even that much cheeky that she said it to the umpire instead of being ashamed of herself that she made up this whole thing lol
Siegemund is one annoying person, my god.
The ball was mid-air when the call came in. The ball is closer to the net when the call came in.
@@Wrongley-AHC Siegemund get off youtube. You clearly held up your hand and stopped play.
@@ragepie292 Gosavi get off TH-cam. Siegmund raised her hand clearly after the call.
siegemundi was right
@철학-r5q Yes, I agree with you on this one.
It’s rare to see Mertens so annoyed.
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Moratelli/Siskova really think a professional umpire doesn't understand the concept of overruling? Then 5 seconds later they give an example of her overruling in the previous set 🤦♂️
Stalling tactic to have a break
They sounded a bit racist to me
That ball was so in
I think they were just setting up the next close one to go their way. 'Working the refs'
Well the ball was clearly in, which makes it a point robbery. Surely you would have been pissed off at the umpires as well
God, as a german I dislike Siegemund a lot. She's such a crybaby, out of line and like in the video often completely wrong. I guarantee you, she doesn't have the courage to apologize for her embarassing behaviour afterwards.
Im not German but i love her, She is such a good villain for the wta.
@@mvdqpno, some villains we love, others we hate. Everybody hated Rosol. This is actually one of the few moments that Siegemund is right. Not so smart to put her hand up tho even if it was after the call.
are you crazy? She was 100% right, she played the ball and even played it in. She literally got robbed a point at such an important moment
@@omicidio-mx9rg Nah, not 100% right. She does have a case tho. But she still raised her finger instantly, but the call was just as early, but obviously she wouldnt have raised her finger, if she heard the call first. She is a drama queen.
As a German, she’s super annoying, but right in this situation
19:20 "You are the one who can overrule everyone here" ........ "but this time no" hahahahahah I'm dying
of couse Jenny Zhang messes up again
She never seems to pay attention
She has the brain of a peanut
one of the worst umpire at this level
As always
She’s infuriatingly bad
18:10 it was not even close to the line, cmon.
Right!? I haven't seen many balls as clearly in as that one... I mean, that's not one of those "even Hawkeye is doubting" balls, it's inches inside the court!
13:05 that Ref has no feelings.. look at that sad puppy face , i mean come on 😂😂
I'm guessing not a lot of people know the rule but surprisingly, J Zhang was right on this one, correctly seeing what happened (even though she wasn't exactly the best at communicating it). Foot faults are fair game as soon as the motion starts, not just when you hit the ball. If you rewatch Pliskova's serve, you can clearly see her back foot is over the center line when she tosses the ball. But even then you have to wait until the ball is struck before calling it since in theory, you can catch the ball and start over (and then there would be no serve to call a foot fault on lol).
If you need a great example of this rule being explained to a player, look up the exchange between Nick Kyrgios and James Keothavong at Wimbledon. Keothavong explains it perfectly and succinctly.
I‘m a volleyball ref, in volleyball if you‘re doing a jump serve the place where you leave the floor is crucial. With the serve of Pliskova, her foot was clearly not overstepping the middle when she hit the ball. Is it actually where you start? If i am clearly overstepping the base line, throw the baal backwards and do a step back to hit the serve, that would also be called a foot-fault?
@@Turboajd Correct! You would be committing the foot fault during the ball toss, which is considered part of the service motion.
Zheng really is a piece of work. Can see why she's disliked by plenty in the locker room.
Zheng is so weird for yelling at that lines person
She is definitely not a good person. Line person did nothing wrong, just stood there :D
"Because nothing changed to your shoes!".... absolute silence 🙂
Oh how I’ve miss you Tennis Advocate
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Gosavi was correct, Seigmund stopped the point by raising her arm, it doesn’t matter which official said it’s out after…
Yeah, she is a total basket case - but is it just me, or does her initial explanation make sense? That she raised her hand because she was just making it clear that it was out?
She does go full Karen afterwards, I agree…
Agree. We all make calls like that. She wasn't challenging bec she heard the call made also.
You clearly are blind. Siegmund clearly hit the ball first and she clearly raised her hand after the play was over.
@ not sure why she would do that? That would confuse everyone! You usually would raise your hand to appeal and stop the point.
@@Jitesh108 Players also raise their hands to celebrate won points. Laura Siegmund raised her hand because she thought that she won that point, yes she was wrong about that, but still............
Siskova/Moratelli were robbed of that point. That ball was in by a mile. Thankfully they won. Really bad umpiring there.
yes the ball was in and the umpire have to see this on but what are they argumenting? That was total misscommunication...
@@markusweidlich9653 they were arguing about the fact that the umpire didn't know the rule. They asked if she can correct the call and the umpire said no. In this situation calling the supervisor was useless, because he cannot do anything
True, but in the argument they played dirty the Umpir because of her difficulties of language. She clearly dated that she can’t overrule because she was not 100% sure, which is the rule
@@Karjakin_ This.
That's what happens when you play in asia vs asian players with an asian umpire. You get screwed all day long. They might as well get rid of the asian tour cause it's always a cheat fest there
You gotta feel bad for Andreeva because the umpire was totally in the wrong there. Also Zheng seems to be in tons of drama but I would say Fernandez's father can be disruptive and loud so I don't blame her for telling him to be quiet.
The potapova one was crazy.. even I could see that one
Damn how humid was the Kasatkina match? She is drenched.
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Zheng would be fired at any other job if she were as bad as an umpire
Btw, what happens after an event like 18:10? do the umpire get scolded, have to miss some tournaments, does the line umpire get fired? or how do they prevent these in the future, or any new rule to fight this?
Umpires are severely underpaid and there arn't a lot of adults willing to travel the world on their own just to umpire for some ball game for minimum wage. So no, they dont get punished. Their job is punishment enough.
@@frankdartagnan2709 understandable, i acknowledge they deserve more respect on avg, and they stimes do crazy mistakes .. probably some more financial motivation would be nice :)
18:15 that ball was so in that there was green court visible between the ball and the line on the now uploaded to youtube replay here. How blind do you have to be to not notice that? Trully a shockingly bad call, like a "fired linesperson" level of bad.
Siegemund saying that the near line is the umpire's line shows that she's never physically sat in the umpire's chair before. It is WAY easier to see in/out on the far sidelines. You can't see the gap between ball and line on the near ones because the ball is blocking the view.
You mean if down the line shots are compared the one farthest away from ump is easier to see? That is hard to believe but I believe you if you have been umpiring
Bro stop defending these terrible umpires that ball was clearly out they need to do a better job than that! Not to mention that was the umpires second BIG mistake in a BIG situation during that match.
@@jayortiz6188 yes, this looked like a clear call for ump
Siegemund should have stopped arguing and asked for a challenge for her ball if she was sure it went in.
@@Karjakin_ Would have been irrelevant
@ Not 100% sure. At some point the umpire said that she stopped the point but she didn’t seem so sure about that, so she insisted that the call came after the shot and that her shot went out. So if she proves that the ball was indeed in, that’s a replay the point
@@Karjakin_ the issue is that she challenged before the line judge called it out which means she stopped the point, so it doesn’t matter if her ball was in or out.
@@adamalouani it's a shame other people don't understand this.
Zhang Zhang Zhang always Zhang, this referee is aweful
5:58 wow…
That Gosavi ref had a room temperature IQ it’s insane…
Those refs should never ever have a game in their hands..
i mean why did Andreeva lose the point? She played the ball in and Stakusic stoped and did not play the ball back. Even the Chair umpaire sayed she returned the ball?!?
I don`t understand it, too. She returned the ball and Stakusic stayed on the baseline. WTF?
You can’t “stop” playing the point, even tout she returned the all
because she hindered play
When you stop playing there must be a reason, such as a challenge. In any case, the play is reviewed and if there's no valid reason why the point should be yours, it's given to the player that didn't stop the game.
25:32 and now lets go back to miss Putintseva who had obsession with changing shoe laces last year in the middle of the game 🤣
because she broke the laces, the umpire was right, there's nothing wrong with harriet shoes
The issue with Andreeva, c'mon, the level of fair play on the WTA is disgusting.
She raises the hand just as Stakusic is tossing the ball, so nobody was watching her. Line umpires could have stepped in though.
J Zhang is going to get her umpire chair stand demolished by Pliskova
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I think being Supervisor out there is a dream job 😂
The Russo umpire is so bad. He was looking directly at andreeva when she raised her hand.
Even if that were true, that only meant that Erika raised the hand after the serve, so it would be point for Stakusic either way. Stakusic was tossing the ball to hit the serve, so it makes absolutely sense that the umpire was looking at her, and only looked to Andreeva as the ball was hit to her. Just a case of a badly timed wasp.
Zheng is such a joke.
J. Zhang or Q. Zheng
Can't have drama without Putintseva 😂
Why is Umpire Zhang still in the chair. Like honestly asking
Really excellent collection of Tennis Drama! 😄
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siegemund is karen .... she lift up her hand to stop the point before linesman call the ball out.
I know! She is crazy
Nope. After. Play was over when she lifted her hand.
You can see her lower her hand as soon as the call is made so she knew she raised her hand for a challenge.
@@adamalouani watch the video please do not arguing .... she lift her hand and then linesman call the ball out
@@johnngle3009 I agree, we are saying the same thing
Tbh Jenny Zhang needs to be fired, basically all the bigger tennis dramas are with her mistakes
Call the supervisor
J.Zhang definetly worst umpire ever i just want a see her in Kyrgios game that is gonna be battle of giants
i think she umpires WTA only
@@16jWGtn1OFS1P4 makes sense, I imagine she would not withstand the heat from players like Kyrgios haha
@@16jWGtn1OFS1P4 In Grand Slams, I notice that quite a few WTA and ATP chair umpires swap to umpire each other's associations. For example, Mohamed Lahyani would umpire female matches and Marija Čičak would umpire male matches at Wimbledon. I remember when Jennifer Zhang umpired one of Alexander Bublik's matches at the US Open, and Bublik was very angry with Jennifer's umpiring, and was scolding and screaming at her. lol
18:14 in the spirit of john mcenroe YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!?
OMG, Siegemund just shut up 💀
Of course it's not Drama video without at least Putintseva in it.
I used to love Bia Haddad Maia, until she stole that double bounce point at the US Open... now she's here cheating again.. what a shame :-(
"I used to love Bia Haddad Maia..." What was she supposed to do? The umpire DECIDED to give Bia that point, It was not her fault at all
What's your opinion about Garín behavior at Estoril earlier this year btw?
Agreed Haddad Maia is a cheat.
How does Siegemunds Boyfriend not feel embarrased
23:19 There is absolutely no foot fault -- especially not the back foot. Ridiculous call.
The morratelli one is outrageous, i was perplexed at the one from the Mens Video (Bertaloti?) but This is even worse.
Punished to avoid a bee sting 😂 a new thing thks
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I KNOW WHAT IS THE BACK FOOT😂
I am glad i dont play. Because i see umpire Zhang and i get some kind of ptsd, knowing she will be wrong almost all the time something needs her desicion.
I like to see Chair Umpires stand up to the players, especially when they make logical calls.
that's the wrong thing to do. it's much better if a chair umpire stays professional and doesn't let emotions get to them.
Zheng is becoming more and more unlikeable.
She has always been! Nobody on tour likes her either!
Why are they not allowed to see replay for this? Why does tennis have such stupid rules
Conclussion after watching this: Zheng is a Karen.
Zheng becomes insufferable
Oh wow…19:30 that double umpire has a 30 IQ at best, bro open your eyes fr…
Putintseva should have brought her own court to every tournament she was in. She is just ridiculous
19:00 the umpire isn't even Japanese, wow
Kasatkina: let me curse
FFS… hold the line call for after the player hits the ball. Signal and by then make the call.
I like how sorribes tormo decided to complain in English at the end even tho they were talking in Spanish earlier. Is English just a better Karen language 😬
Zheng great HEEL 😂
I think the tennis system with judge need to be revolutionized… its no longer relevant
siegemund is way too annoying. she cheats anyways.
08:03 this is the dumbest thing i've heard in years
this j zhang umpire is really bad, seen her xxxked up a few calls before also, she should not be umpiring above 250
Fine moment what does that mean 😂
2025 is coming - like fucking c'mon get rid of all refs and make electronic call and review possible for all situations. Have a challenge ref on site or in control room instead.
The problem is money, just like always
zheng = direspectfull all time
I think that a lot of tennis players are a little too soft. They claim that literally everything distracts them, if somebody in the audience sneezes theyre like "omg, i cant serve in these conditions". Compare that to the things they do in the audience on fotball matches, and its like 2 worlds.
Your partially right but tennis is a game of concentration and reaction. If you are even slightly distracted you will lose the point. Some players definitely do take it to seriously sometimes
@mattjagar6324 is concentration and reaction not required in football or basketball as well? it's the same
People are more weak minded now. Mentally tough players belong to the bygone era
@mattjagar6324 well, the same concentration is required when you shoot free throws in basketball or shoot a penalty in football, and there's 20.000 people screaming and whistling. They don't complain about that when they miss, it's seen as just a part of the game
@@excentrik5725 it’s a fair point but I do understand where Matt is coming from, if it’s consistently noisy then players won’t complain, but if it’s it consistently quiet and then somebody makes some noise, it can be distracting. White noise vs sudden change in noise.
Siskova and Moratelli are nasty. She very clearly was saying she cannot overule if she isn't sure. And accusing the Japanese of favoritism and cheating on top of it?
The judge isn't even Japanese LMAO, they were the ones being racist
there was a total lack of communication between them and ump but the call was horrible and they had a right to be furious
But it was an unfair call and if you watch the whole match, it was the third time against Siskova. She is rightfully upset and hence she can accuse the officials for favoritism, I mean favoritism can happen, it’s possible
Moratelli didn’t say that siskova did so don’t say both
Moratelli was actually respectful
Siegmund so fake her ball was far out 😂😂😂😂
i cant stand siegemunds voice
She appears in most of these videos! People must be used to it.
Very impressed with the female indian (indian?) umpire gosavi standing firm against a bs objection from siegemund - didn't have a great play,didn't get next ball in vs. haddad miaia hard done by however - did have play next ball in. Advantage after wrong call is one of the last biig judgement calls for umpires - really separates the mens from boys and women from girls umpire wise
Should the umpires not at least have a certain level of English to do their job? Some of them are barely able to communicate simple thoughts it seems, no idea how they are supposed to deal with emotional and often unreasonable international players with these poor language skills
I hate siegemund but wow that was a terrible call
the umpire 100% made the correct call. Siegemund was in the wrong.
lets goooooooooo
Siegemund is a fool.
E. Russo es un umpire algo desagradable y soberbio. En varios videos llama la atención a jugadoras de forma prepotente o displicente.
These chair referees are so bad, Sigmeunds ball was in. That point needs to be replayed.
I agree with siegnmund and think wta should take a unified stance on balls like this, and it should be a replay(unless it’s a super clean winner), that way nobody is at disadvantage like she said.
No, the umpire made the correct decision. Siegemund put her hand up to challenge the call. She lost the challenge. Therefore she loses the point. For example, if my opponent hits a serve and I challenge it, is it a replay if the ball is in? Nope, I lose the point.
I can’t stand Siegemund
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Juegan horrible, cero carisma y talento, y se comportan como divas😂. Cómo extraño a Seles, Graf, Navratilova, Sánchez y Sabatini 😢
Zhang is so bad the only reason she is still an umpire is to tick DEI boxes.
she is just a bad umpire, you racist asshole.
The umpire (Zhang) definitely has had her share of incidents, but your whole DEI stance is weak and makes you come off like a basement dweller.
@@mvdqp I dunno, I think they simply made a slightly amusing joke/observation. No need for the name callings
Mertens gives Karen a lot
She’s never annoyed, this is the first time
@@Martin-rc2bz pls