Should You Buy A High Mileage Porsche?
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- Should you buy a high mileage Porsche and does it matter? You need to be aware of certain things before buying a high mileage Porsche. This info can apply to a 911 Cayman Boxster Macan Panamera Cayenne.
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To me 100k is just run in , no good being a garage queen worried to drive it , get a high mileage one well serviced and drive the snot out of it , European road trips , wales , Scotland, back to Europe, a few track days … you only live once you can’t take it with you …
Absolutely, 100K miles is a warm up for SOLID engines. Treat with ceramic additives, and you are well set for a properly run engine, lasting miles on end.
👍👍👍
@@MichaelMalega I don't think the absolute best oils need help but warming of engine would help vastly more if it was possible. As for iron or coated cylinders, they have molecular properties and 3D shape to hold onto oil and ceramic coating has potential to reduce the cylinder retention of oil. That is my 10 cents
Oh yeah... that s the spirit my dude
Problem is that they are not that solid! Engine out services, clutches and coolant pipes. Buy the best you can afford; holds true for a Porsche.
I bought mine with 50k on it 2013 and now almost 5 years later with 131k on it, it still drives like a dream. Regular maintenance and even proactive maintenance helps.
It's not the mileage, it's the maintenance that counts.
I had several Porsches with high mileage, a 986 with 118,000 miles, a 911 SC with 174,000 miles and just recently bought a 987.2 with 96,000 miles and they all ran fine. sure they need some work here and there, however a lower mileage car might break as well at some point. for me it always worked out, never regretted it.
Those volkswagens run forever.
Its how you maintain your vehicles mileage means nothing i have Toyota rav 4 05 118 thousand miles
@@christopherjones512 Well, sure, a toyota rav 4 won't depreciate at all after 120K miles because it's worthless to begin with.
@@shoobidyboop8634 what do you worthless
@@christopherjones512 Try making sense.
I bought a low mileage 2006 911 C2 last year with 40k on it. At first I thought I'd limit the mileage to 5k per year, just to keep it relatively low for resale value. But that car is just too damn much fun to drive. Already busted that limit!
busted 5k?? that doesnt take me long at all!
lol, 62 k miles to me is a new Porsche. My 2001 911 Turbo had 275.000 km on any weather, summer or winter, when I was forced to sell it by financial reasons, otherwise I would have kept it for ever. And it still runs great after 2 more owners. The most reliable performance cars ever made.
My son bought a 991.2 with 80,000 miles. Runs like new. Worth more now than when he bought it 3 years ago.
I currently own over a million dollars in sports cars! But my favorite to drive is my 2013 porsche panamera 4!!! My Lamborghini and my RR ghost set up to 6 months at a time!!! The porsche is by far my favorite ❤ 😍
We have had three Porsches….the best was a 1979 Targa. We had it for for over 30 years. There were three things that went wrong…..the passenger window, the clutch, and the Targa top needed to be replaced. It was a FABULOUS car we had a storm and it was crushed.
..and you were crushed as well...❤
Hello Porsche House reviewer…
It should go without saying from all the reviews the “maintenance “ is the key factor of any vehicle.
For the most part .. so are more problematic than others.
In todays world 100k with regular “keen” maintenance is actually just “broken” in
Once the owner and or enthusiast “understands” what is needed on a periodic basis and acts on rectifying the issue and can “hopefully” afford to correct those issue.. you’ll be good to go.
I’m an avid Porsche guy… but overall a CAR guy..!
( Great comments by all..🤔…👍🏽
Great explanation of new versus old. All your points of why or why not to buy old vs new made complete sense. Thanks for the video.
I take all my vehicles to 150-170k miles. Its all about maintenance and staying on top of it.
With the engine in back and not very accessible, Porsche 911's will always be expensive to maintain or repair. Here in the States, prices are definitely determined by mileage. My attitude is different than most and the example I use is the F-22 fighter plane. Though getting old at 17 years of service, the air force stays on top of maintenance and repair and the F-22 still performs as it was designed. The Porsche 911 is the same. With proper care this car will soldier on for many years. You just have to budget for the upkeep.
The access in the mid engine cars isnt exactly good either ?
@@nboy7 that's a good point. General maintenance should not be required until 200,000 miles at which time hopefully only some gaskets refresh needed and carbon cleaning, possibly injectors, coils, and valve adjust. If the car is raced or not designed well anticipate more frequent engine out work.
F-22 is old? Then the F-16 must be a dinosaur. And the B-52 a fossil!
The key is finding a really good technician. That type of work is becoming less and less appealing to younger people. Well trained , experienced folks are aging out and retiring. Acute problem with the air-cooled cars now.
@@nboy7 It is not as bad as you think. You can get to the engine compartment from the top, bottom and front from behind the seats. This is how to change the drive belt, water pump.
I have a 2021 992 have over 30000 miles on it so far
My 3rd 911 all of them have been driven high miles and have never had a breakdown
Best cars I’ve ever owned
160K km on my 981 Boxster and going beautifully!
Here in the US there is an obsession with low mileage for Porsche cars. For the GT cars, if it’s high mileage (i.e. 30k or more) the value is impacted negatively. Quite a silly situation. Thanks for the video, I happen to agree with you.
High mileage negatively affects the price? Wow, I never heard of that. Must be a phenomenon specific to porsches.
If I had to guess I'd probably say it's because people assume the high end track models are getting tracked more than they're cruising on the highway. Do you see what I mean? They're definitely meant to be exercised, but 30K track miles is a lot harder on components than 30K commuting/cruising miles.
I have a 986 Boxster Ive owned for just over a year and I just hit 137k miles recently. It is a 2002 with a manual transmission and hard top. I drive it every single day. This year (of ownership) I believe Ive put around 12k miles. I do oil changes at 5k miles, and other basic maintenance.
On special cars, oil at 3k or 4k will not hurt it especially during winter
Just bought an 07 Cayman S with 116,000 miles on it. Good service records and has been very well maintained. Gonna be spending some money on the suspension this winter. Hope I don't regret the decision.
The most important part is the service history. I'll take good service history and high miles over low miles and no service history any day and probably even over low miles and a good service history (depends on the price delta).
a test of faith...haha
That’s a huge gamble, I hope you’ve got deep pockets.
I have an 08 Cayman S with 145,000 on it. I am currently replacing most suspension parts myself as it has got pretty creaky. Doing it myself though keeps the cost down. Otherwise it's a lovely car that drives great
@@Jellybeans763 what'd you go with, parts wise? OEM stuff or did you go with a different brand? Thanks!
High mileage would never put me off as long as its been looked after. Sound advice from you again, great video cheers
My 997.2 from 2010 has 184000 miles on it. absolutely no problem.
You can buy any high mileage car if the previous owner(s) looked after it and serviced it at regular intervals
Great solid advice thanks for sharing your own personal experiences
My 2002 996 has 176k - owned for 10 years . Regular services and yearly mobile 1 oil changes. Still goes like a dream.
It has had the usual brakes, suspension, water pump renewal etc.
But I just drive and enjoy !, 😜😜
Good on you!
Got 265000 out of mine so you have miles to go.
My 2003 996 has 170k.....love it!
nice video and information. I looking at 2013 Panamera GTS with 67K mi on it and it looks amazing just concerned that it could have some issues down the road. The pre-purchase inspection definitely makes sense.
Just the video i need for this info. And right on time too
I had a 964 about 15 years ago and that had 165,000 miles on the clock back then. Yes, it had had the whole engine rebuilt but ran very well.
I want a pre-1987 928S. I can’t imagine the surprises I’m in for.
Lots. But why pre 87. It's an awesome car either way
Ah, a fellow masochist!
One should get a pre-purchase inspection on any used car, but PPI's on exotics are a must.
I agree, newer in years, well serviced, higher mileage would be my choice. Good subject to review 👍🏻
i have 2 1987 928's one with 120K miles, the other has closer to 200K miles. i have an 07 caymans with 130K, and an 08 cayenne S with 160K... they have all been reliable
Personally, I think Porsche make great used cars because the person(s) who owned them previously probably loved it. Porsche were expensive to purchase initially and once purchased the owner probably did love the car and most likely took care of it. Not in every case, of course, but generally Porsche owners love their cars.
Maybe Porsche not as rock solid reliable as Lexus, but they are pretty damn close (I've owned both). Porsche a lot more fun to drive and is an emotional experience. Not so with Lexus. Lexus is like driving what your grandmother would like.
Furthermore the Porsche motto is "Porsche--built to be driven hard" I saw a statistic that 97% of all Porsches ever made are still around (only 3% have made it to the junk yards).
I don't know why Porsche always gets this rap about repairs and reliability. Yes, it's not a Toyota, but Porsche far far better than--Mercedes, Jaguar, Ferrari, Mini, BMW, Cadillac, Volvo, Range Rover, --which are all garbage by comparison. (imho).
Lexus? Lol.
Amen, bro!
depends on which Porsche you get. some of the early cayenne had some major rod bearing issues, and the early 2000s had all the IMS faults. The '09 911s also had the issue with the head bolts popping out, which wasn't amazing. Anything more modern than '10 is uuuusually fine, but you could be like me and have a rod thrown through the side of your 30k mile engine, without these faults.
Porsches aren't reliable for a daily. They're good for what they are, a sports car, far better than BMW for example, but you're correct, they wont be as long lasting as a lexus, etc
Not sure about that. I love my LFA more than 99% of the Porsches out there on the road.
@@danteinouye6098 - Early 2000’s had all IMS faults?… Where did you get it from? Internet?…
Rather seems most "IMS fear cases" have been exactly like mine…after disassemble all stuff, the "visual conclusion" is:
The original IMS bearing is "like new fom the factory"!!!…
Now of course, since it was opened, I replaced it by the one from "EPS". But by now I start to agree with 996/997.1/986/987.1 Boxter & Cayman sellers & owners from Germany, where the "IMS bearing" is mostly not even a subject of conversation…
At least this has been my own experience while I was researching for buying my 996 C4S…
I own 2016 cayenne with 95k miles. It has very detail carfax and it works just fine. Now I had it for 4k mi no issues at the moment. So yes, pick a newer one with higher mileage means more likely it's been a highway curiser.
183k miles on my '85 944. Solid car, but I took care of the usual like timing belt, water pump, clutch etc. Runs just as well and reliably as my 28k miles '95 993 cab or my '21 Taycan4s
Yes I bought one most troubles have been sorted
Thanks. Great video.
I am in love with my 03 Boxster S. I have put way too much money into the car and I am fine with it. It is glorious.
My buddy and I each have Caymans we live in northern Canada I use my 2008 as much as I can but I only have 32,000 k on it because I have a company vehicle that I have to use most of the time but my buddy with the 2007 uses his from very early spring to very late fall so far he has racked up over 173 k’s And he has done lots of oil changes and replace the transmission oil ones and also a set of front brake pads and tires that’s about it I had a ride in it the other day and it still feels like New.
I pick up my first Porsche 2014 Cayman 105k miles. 99 day ago and it's been a Porsche dealer for warranty work PSM and cylinder 6 misfire for a week. I'm happy with my car and happy that it's still cover under warranty.
I have had two 997's over the past 15 years and am looking for a 991 as I write this.
Both of my 997's I bought with very very low miles (under 5k miles) and kept them both for about 6 years. They sat more than they were driven as they were more of a toy.
As we all know, sitting is much harder on the mechanicals of an engine than driving it daily.
I religiously have them serviced at Porsche regardless of mileage driven.
The ONLY issues I has between both of my 997's was a loose sport exhaust muffler hanger on my 2006 C2 in the year 2009. Warranty covered that--no big issue at all.
Service a 911 and it will be a VERY reliable vehicle whether you daily drive it or drive it as a toy. Highly recommend the Porsche 997.
I believe the 991 has also been very reliable as well. I will find out soon to confirm.
Fair comments.
Well said yea...I bought my 3rd 911 last year with 192k. The car has been well maintained throughout the 2 previous owners with
Records to boot...a Porsche was designed to last a minute when we you maintain them and you
Drive em out....DO NO UNDERDRIVE A 911... It will bite ur ass in the end....IMS, bore scoreing and
Minor routine maintenance should be the gist of a well looked after machine.
Cheers and happy years of driving.
Thanks!
Here in Montreal Canada the prices went too high so I couldn't get the 981 like I wanted as the prices went up to 55k-65k for a 2014 so I settled for the 987.2 with 175kms that was inspected with no issues at all for almost half the price and yes the tech isn't't as nice as the look isn't as clean but I love the car and couldn't justify paying the extra 25k+ for the 981
I have a 2015 Carrera 4S that has 107k on it. Absolutely consider one with higher mileage. As stated in the video, all the things that can go wrong usually happen in the first 50k miles. I’d much rather buy a car that’s been maintained with high mileage, than a neglected garage queen with 30k miles. Bear in mind also that, especially with the these cars, the seals will dry out, rubber will dry rot, fuel lines will degrade, etc; all from lack of use. So, go ahead pay more for your low mileage example that’ll need $10k of maintenance right after you buy it. I’ll take my high mileage daily driver that just needed an oil change every day.
Same you said, if the Porsche got regularly maintenance and caring owners, it's speaking nothing against a high mileage Porsche. Sometimes they are even better. A garage queen with low mileage can also be a not well maintained car....... I had a 924S with 190000 and actually own a 987.2 / 2.9l with 170000km. I just return from a mountain passes journey from France with it. It was awesome and Cayman did, what I expected...... take one after the other 😁. Kind regards 🇨🇭 and let's drive our Porsches like they were made to do........ Drive them👍
It’s weird because porsches are a lot more common now. So in 10 years the new ones will devalue a lot more than the older ones. Also the older ones are nicer design
You may have to replace some suspension components and have it setup properly but that’s it, I really would not worry at all.
Hey man, awesome videos. How much a gearbox replacement would cost on a Boxter 2005?
Documented maintenance. What was done, who did it, and where it was done. If there's no documentation - then better figure that the work was actually not done. These are high performance cars and many who own them are quick to put them to the test. Higher mileage = high use and possibly abuse. The suggestion for a proper PPI is good advice. (Emphasis on Proper.) When a Porsche breaks, the fix is usually expensive.
nope- service and care is what matters. on ay car! not millage-
These “sport cars” usually break because the owners don’t use these cars for what they’re built for.. to drive and that’s how they become unreliable. You have to drive your car at least 3 times a week especially if it’s turbo charged
Sure if it's what you want just don't complain how much the restore and upkeep will be.
I got my 2011 Porsche Panamera with 70k miles and right now it has 206k miles. Regular service is a must and learning how the car likes to be handled is key. Those who understand what I just said know. AND If you know, you know, you know what I mean?
Bore scoring is very real problem at high mileage. Porsche surfaced aluminum cylinders with cheaper, weaker Lokasil. Scope your cylinders during PPI. If there is bad scoring, be prepared to replace the engine
Why you cheeky 😏 bloke you. You've made me Subscribe.
I’ve got a 997.2 C2 with 107k on it, no dramas at all, it has an annual oil change.
Likewise - 2009 C2 107k miles. Needed new plastic vacuum pipes and air/oil separator at 106k. “They all go at this age” said my techie. Now runs as sweet as a nut.
I ran away from my 997.1 when it hit 90k miles. Even changing oil 3k miles it was too much anxiety for me. A 997.2 or 991 would be a different story
Just got a 997.1 @ 116000 miles it is in great condition, looks like a car that’s done 1/2 the mileage it came with a folder of all the work done on it clutch etc, and probably 8k cheaper that one with half the mileage, makes sense to me
Sometimes low miles cars have been parked. Sometimes for years at a time. That's a bigger concern, than one that has been driven regularly
Cars are mentioned to be driven,own a mk 4 mondeo and has done 153 k going great.
Hi can you tell me about the jack you using it ? What does it needs to run ? Ist portable ?
I think the worry is that you don't want to save a few thousands getting a high mileage only to have to put in thousands in repairs and be left with an overall less valuable car. We're starting to see 80-90,000 mile 981s now.
60k odd miles is absolutely nothing for any modern engine. The average UK mileage is actually around 7-8k miles a year (don't let traders and the motoring press try and convince you it's over 10-12k a year that's just them trying to devalue your car). So a 9 year old car with average miles would have around 60-70k miles on it. If anything Porsche's more than any other car need to be driven to be maintained properly. If anything I'd be put off by any car that had only done 2-3,000 miles a year. To me that would mean it's either a) only been used on the weekend - meaning all it's rubber seals etc would spend the rest of the week drying out and perishing or b) it's been almost entirely for short commuting trips where it's been subject to the highest wear environment an engine suffers for it's entire life. 35k miles is the lowest mileage I would ever consider for any 9 year old Porsche, to ensure it's been driven and maintained regularly enough over it's life.
People don't view Porsche repairs as an expense, but rather an investment. This all comes down to how long do you plan to own the car? Most Porsches will be passed down when the owner moves into a nursing home (the higher mileage should be reflected in the price).
Good morning I am looking at a few Caymans at a garage called Cridfords in Surrey there two Caymans the both look the same two new listings.
PS we both removed the outer seal for the IMS bearing
have a 986 with 128k that I bought with 121k. just plan for maintenance items, documented or not.
Just having this exact conversation over on McLaren owners forum…. It’s clear that low mileage Macca’s are the ones that get the issue’s…. Some doing as little as 500miles year; fecking pointless garage queens 🤷🏻♂️. Mine now into 4th year of ownership and 11,000 miles has been fault less. 😛
2014 with 112k no issues ☺️
the mid engine cars are more of a problem, because they will cost much more for servicing and repairs around the 100k km mark.
I have a 997.2 GT3 with 77k miles. It’s expensive at this age/mileage to maintain. Rubber starts to give way. Will it last a long time? Maybe? Will it be expensive. Yes.
Recently bought a 992 Turbo S that I suspect had been used in the PEC, possibly as a demo car on their track in LA. It has 9K miles and seems perfect in every way. Individuals could, in effect, rent it for 1.5 hours with an instructor. Cost over $1K to do this. Do you think this usage would come back later to haunt me? Full coverage is included for four years and 50K miles.
Probably very little to worry about that is not covered by the warranty. Running a Porsche on a track under supervision is not bad, they are track cars after all.
Get a DME report and check for over revs.
I wouldn't worry about it. Once your car gets used to the way you drive it,...nicely... it will respond in kind.
550 Spyder built for motoring & TLC.
Still think your yellow 997 with aero is the best out of your cars.
Pre 996 cars are well engineered and better built imho
Still 90% of all build Porsches are alive.
mine- 152k AND GOING STRONG- BUT I KEEP IT SERVICED GO FIGURE!
Go figure what? Why you using caps?
@@speak_your_truth. - WHY YOU USING SMALL LETTERS?
@@ralphs.1332 because I'm not a bell-end 🙂
Porsche is one of the best built cars ever. You have to do maintenance. But they last.
is 2022 porsche boxtser last ok reliable ? for turbo engine?
The reason why all new car dealers offer new car warranty from the manufacturer at three year or 36 thousand miles because that’s when anything can happen
Yes
correct
My toy car doesn’t even see rain, not to mention snow, sunny days only
I would say the resale value of any car with hi mileage is going to be substantially lower . But at what point ie mileage wise will the car have very little value. If you have loads of money and this is not a problem then go for it.
There was a 911 for sale on autotrader... Its milage was 299,000. I kid you not. And they still wanted 30k 😬
I actually purchased a 2013 with 90k miles on it. Porsche certified pre-owned the vehicle thats how confident they were in its reliability. Actually, the more miles on the vehicle, the more the niggling issues have been ironed out.
yeah, but higher milage cars can suffer from bigger, more costlier issues like the gearbox and other motor parts. those are the real wallet hitters. i'm not saying there aren't any good high milage cars, but it would unjust to say that higher milage cars are close to lower milage cars
@@chickenpasta7359 I wouldn't trust a 2013 MY with 15-20k miles any more than one with more than 150k miles. I'll take the vehicle which has been driven rather than a garage queen that just sits and sits. Here in Florida, we drive year round and that is what packs on the miles. Northern US vehicles are typically winterized and sit for 6 months doing nothing but sucking a trickle charge. IMHO, not a very healthy lifestyle. The gear-train will be fine over 140K as long as it has not been abused on the track and properly maintained.
I'm surprised, calling 60K miles a high mileage car!, motorway miles add up fast, just calculate going to work and back 5 day s per week, it should be 90 to 100K miles and still reasonably high. I have CLS over 145K miles, and so what!? Frequent engine oil change + ceramic additives, and you're good to go a long way.
it's funny what the porsche crowd calls "high miles".
It sets the bar realy low as to what is judged as "reliable" or "well built".
Try trading anything in with high mileage and they will offer less than wholesale and really they do not want it because dealers can not offer a warranty on a high mileage vehicle
Here's an open question. How about tracking a Porsche with over 100K on it?
Fair question. I would have my trusted Porsche mechanic give me that answer. Some motors need some important modifications, like baffles in the M96 oil pans to keep them from starving from oil in hard turns. It just all depends on how much track days, how hard you drive it. Otherwise, you are ask for trouble.
Just like buying a large house, if you can't afford the up keep....buy a trailer!
What sunglasses?
I found a nice cayman s for 7k.only problem is no engine no transmission HAHAHA
I crack up when I hear these rich boys describe a 30-50k mile Porsche as "getting to be high mileage" 😂 all of daddy's money couldn't buy enough knowledge to turn a wrench.
You sound proud of being poor and broke. That’s just sad. 😂
@@sfrealestatedealmaker6001 still have a Porsche 🤷♂️ I just didn't buy it with daddy's money.
Better Q: should you date an older woman with fewer “miles” on the clock or a younger woman with more “miles” on the clock?
62k miles is nothing. I’d rather have high miles with excellent maintenance than a garage queen with all the issues that come from machines that sit (dry seals, settled suspension, dry A/C compressor intervals, etc)
Only if you don't mind paying outrageous prices for parts.
Didn't know they existed. Never see them daily driven.
Porsche limit who buys the 911's new. So most go to collectors for monetary gain and rarely driven.
I tried to buy last month. The books are only open to regular collectors in " The Club" you may have the money but if uou don't have the cred you are only going to get the second hand crumbs.
Oooh, get some smoked GTS rear lights on your 981S. They look so much better on a white car.
Looking at 996 and 997 Turbos and cant decide between the two, do you have any thoughts on this?
Bought my first Porsche. A 2015 Diesel Macan 4 years ago. Apart from having to replace the transfer box it’s sailed through each MOT. I have it serviced every year at a Porsche specialist. I’m curious how long the battery lasts on these cars? I’ve had to replace the battery on every single car I’ve owned in the past at some point. I generally keep my cars for around 10 years.
Avg car battery is 3-5 years. If you get 5+ you won the battery lottery. But on avg depending on weather and your driving habits. 3-5 years
@@ItzAlex626 The battery is 7 years old now and showing no signs of giving up yet. It’s my daily drive thru sun sleet and snow. 🤞