I totally agree.. he was caught up in the momentum event.. should have surgery kissed her on the cheek or the forehead.. all he had to do was apologize and the recipient accept it and move on.. so disappointing..😢
You never kiss a woman without her consent. Would you allow your colleague to kiss you suddenly out of excitement? It is SA in every part of the world. All he had to was apologise. But, he didn't.
He shouldn’t have kissed her like that but the degree to which this has been overblown is almost laughable. To suggest it was criminal is an insult to anyone that’s been the victim of a sexual assault.
As a Spaniard, it is not uncommon in Spanish culture for people to be touchy and passionate in celebrations. Jenni joked with Rubiales about the kiss in the dressing room and the bus with the girls. They joked that 'they should go to Ibiza to get married'. Modern feminism has proved with this event to supersede reality and love unfortunately.
The reason it has been "overblown" is because of the way the initial complaint was handled, in an abusive manner vilifying and trashing the women, which is a reflection of the toxic environment they were in. The best way to deal with a power abuser is not with a criminal charge but with the loss of their power (loss of job).
@@LucyKeukens That's not true. It was overblown within 24 hours, before any players or the President said anything, when Pedro Sanche, Spain's Prime Minister asked Rubiales to apologize. And no one vilified anyone. They were joking about it in the bus and dressing room. You can search it up, there's a few videos out there. She even joked about the kiss in an interview with the Spanish press hours after. There's no power abuser. Simply an act of love towards a friend. It's the end of love when people confuse it with power
@@manuelrodero8764 The stuff that the spain manage did happens all the time in football where players put their head onto eachothers head lips touching lips or grazing I’ve even seem a famous incident of Gary Neville kissing Scholes without his consent no one complains about that and that was during Manchester derby wasn’t it ?, I’ve even seen Diego Costa slap and shake johm terry ass without his consent when cheslea won the title I’ve seen klopp and other mangers slap someone’s ass when they are about to come on onto the pitch for another player so many more incidents in footballs that is not as bad as what the spain manager did bit similar I guess to what the Spanish guy did yes he shouldn’t do that but he was just happy and what’s strange is people are more upset than the people the Spanish manger did it to crazy stuff I just find it hypocritical that people are talking about this incident and so upset as if it never happened before when it happens all the time in football ffs
I am a woman and I am so offended that special groups are hijacking women and making us look like fragile flowers 🙄. There are Real abuses that are happening and this undermines all of those offences. The world that we apparently we live in, is one where you Absolutely cannot Apologize.
Feminists are calling for males to be put in concentration camps, others call for all males to be exterminated, including little boys and others are saying men should be restricted by curfew. These feminists are really evil people.
I think it really is disgusting that they turned a celebration kiss turned into a sexual pervert. A blind person could see it was not a sexual act. Soccer / football/ players actors winning awards..... kiss hug embrace when overjoyed. This discredits real sexual assaults that get reported.
Your lack of insight is degusting if you can't see that that was an intimate act. Or maybe men should, by law, be able to go up to any women that they like the look of and just kiss them. Like that would you? No.
@@Joseph-fw6xx You missed the point. Cretin. Its not about the anal stupidity of "nornality" orientated fools like you and Piers. Its about the FACT that such an act IS ASSAULT. But, as a sexist bigot, you found it impossible to perceive it as that. Having a man come into his personal space and do something physically intimate without permission is what happened to the Spanish player and it would educate Piers if it happened to him. He, and you, need an education.
Shaking my head in disbelief! It was one kiss, not rape. Absolutely Disgusting that he will lose his job over it. The Woman kissed was seen laughing about it. World's gone insane.
No one is saying one kiss is the same as rape. Imagine drinking and driving, you don’t need to be slurring your speech, falling left n right, running down 3 pedestrians to be considered drinking and driving. Even if you are over the limit by the tiniest margin it’s still considered drinking and driving. Yes he does not deserve to be prosecuted like a rapist but he should be prosecuted for what he has done, with a fitting punishment (maybe community service maybe mandatory class), NO ONE is suggesting he should be going to jail for 10years like a rapist.
He'd have kissed male player. Then raped them obviously. No contact from now on. Girls gonna be in danger as men avoid any or all risky complex scenarios involving women. I still think most decent men will act on instinct to help any vulnerable woman.
The professor nailed it of course. Strong and independent, until it's time to play the victim card. You decide ladies. Until then, this sends out a clear message to all men - stay well away.
It's not hard, mate - don't go around grabbing your crotch in public and grabbing women by the head and smack massive kisses on their faces and you'll be fine. Or is that a bit difficult for you to grasp, so you need to "stay away"? Plonker.
By my nature, I'm not exactly a tactile person, but with the law the way it is, I avoid anything beyond a handshake. Staying away from strangers is the safest bet.
@@Ibanezguy2007 and thinking they are God's gift to the world sums up most men who are more than capable of generating then perpetuating their own drama. Such a rude comment from someone who doesn't care to actually discuss or consider the actual issue at hand. I agree it's overblown and disrespectful to others who have genuinely experienced the trauma of sexual assault, both male and female.
It is a political issue they are trying to cover that the last law has been approved and put in the street more than 100 rapers and 1000 have been benified. And this is the issue here.
The world has gone mad! Look at where we’re at - we can’t embrace someone to offer comfort, or show thanks. We can’t kiss anyone in case it’s taken out of context and called sexual assault. We can’t hold a child’s hand if they’re upset In case it’s abuse. We’re turning the world into a cold, frigid, stoic and unpleasant place.
Dude..Imagine a more advanced species looking down, waiting for us to solve world hunger/wars/homelessness/pollution/education. And they see this instead.
Interestingly enough, the gender issue has been thought about (for quite a while now) as being at the forefront of our dysfunctional society. In many fields such as anthropology, psychology, sociology, philosophy... the power relationships that have formed the basis of our family, groups, societies, countries can be deconstructed through the lens of gender. And explain some of the pressing issues that we are facing as @Ady00pk has mentioned above....
The lady nailed it. So are women strong and empowered, and able to serve in the military - or do they have no 'ability to process the devastation' that comes with a kiss on the lips? This was no victim, or assault. This was at worst, awkward. Even then, Jenni was laughing, bragging and joking about a mutual act of affection and elation. That was until the zero tolerance joy patrol we have come to know as the Me Too feminist mob, told her not to. And that some big cash is likely on offer. All we need to do is ruin this man's life and career forever. This really insults the victims of sexual assault. And women. And men. Its opportunism. And its nauseating.
Exactly. I agree that it insults real victims of sexual assault, both male and female to this blown out of all proportion because she's now been told she can get a lot of money in compensation out of this. She should absolutely do the right thing and say it was the moment and everyone was caught up in it and let it go at that. If you look at the video clip of the action, the next man along hugged the hell out of the blonde girl. She's not suggesting for even a second that he pressed up against her in a sexual manner. Are we all supposed to stop all tactile activity because someone hundreds of miles away who has nothing to do with it might be offended when they find out? I am a woman and seriously the younger generation need to grow up and put things in perspective. Yes there are abuses that should never be tolerated but there are also perhaps lapses in judgement where a simple apology for maybe overstepping should suffice. Like one of the panel put it, she had the opportunity to slap him on the spot if she was so grossed out, not wait until after all the celebrations and laughter and bus trip etc when someone else decided she should be offended.
He is being charged with sextual assault and coercion.There are 15 other complaints against him from other parties ranging from sextual assault to abuse of power.I believe the victim was assaulted, that there is no excuse for what he did.
I showed this clip to my 83yo mom and she can't understand why the media is going after this man. It is 100% normal to kiss someone on the lips in celebration. What the fuck happened to society in the last 40 years.
The younger generations turned into delicate, fragile flowers that a wisp of wind could uproot. If we don't purge this fragility out of humanity, it will be the end of humanity.
I don’t think it’s a crime, but if that soccer president guy, had simple just apologize within 24 hours & said something like: “it was in the spirit, but now I see it was wrong” etc, then this would of been all over, and he would of kept his job. But instead he had to double down, and act like some macho man, and say that “she liked” & she wanted it, & nobody tells him what to do etc: (in addition to grab his crotch like prick) Maybe his mom should have gone on a hunger strike, during months 8 & 9, while she was carrying him. maybe he wouldn’t of been born so stubborn.
@@MikeCee7Grabbing the crotch is a cultural thing - you've made the understandable but massive mistake of being culturally uneducated which has led you to write that. Maybe you should travel more and take in different countries and you might actually learn something and expand your very narrow horizons.
@@MikeCee7 You made those comments not him. Feeling distressed on behalf of women are you? Where is the outcry about Alison Hamond jumping on Jason Donovan? It's ok whatever women do eh?
If that is a crime, there should be criminal charges after nearly every single football match that has a little goal celebration. Jumping on the back of an other person uninvited, hugging, not to mention lying on someone… There are less kisses these days, but it’s still happening all the time. That’s part of the game that people like. Because it’s all about passion. I think it was indeed a bit nauseating, but not more than being kissed by a sweaty bloke that happens every day in matches. C’mon that was not sexual harassment. If it’s all getting criminalised we are slowly killing the soul of football.
I have watched the footage of this so-called 'incident' repeatedly, and for the life of me I cannot see what he did that was so wrong. It looks entirely innocent to me, like the guy is just caught up in the elation of the moment. The kiss was fleeting, and not lingering or sleazy in any way. The idea she would have been traumatized by this is laughable.
@@crayzee1372 If he'd kissed me and I wasn't OK with it, I'd have told him so right then & there. Not immediately laughed it off and only decided to be a "victim" when other people started sounding off as though it was a full-on rape.
I can’t believe she was trying to comparing it to a young boy being sexually assaulted. It’s ludicrous how it’s been blown out of proportion and it’s insulting to anyone out there male or female that’s been sexually assaulted. String independent woman that can’t stand up for themselves and say no. He was hardly forcing himself on her ffs victim culture makes my blood boil. The double standards are unbelievable.
This whole thing is crazy. They hugged....he grabbed her head...said something.....gave her a quick kiss...then patted her on the back! There's nothing sexual here! To raise it to the level of abuse and criminalizing it diminishes and trivializes women who are really abused!
Actually ther is another photo of him jumping on her with his legs in the air, as though to wrap around her. And he grabbed his crotch in the royal box - see comment above.
If I'd been him, I'd have said, "Felicitaciones," and left it at at that. Mind you, I have the benefit of hindsight, and I'm not a tactile person anyway, but he must know that the law is stacked against men these days.
I agree with most of the stuff the lady in yellow said, but I don’t think this was a crime, but if that soccer president guy, had simple just apologize within 24 hours & said something like: “it was in the spirit, but now I see it was wrong” etc, then this would of been all over, and he would of kept his job. But instead he had to double down, and act like some macho man, and say that “she liked” & she wanted it, & nobody tells him what to do etc: (in addition to grab his crotch like prick) Maybe his mom should have gone on a hunger strike, during months 8 & 9, while she was carrying him. maybe he wouldn’t of been born so stubborn.
@@mc.8391 The entitlement to her opinion is not the issue. What a stupid thing to say. Of course, she is entitled to her dumb opinion. The discussion here for the adults is whether her opinion is good or bad. Most people are saying that her opinion is bad. I hope I didn't use words that were too big for you.
I think the case will fall flat on its face. It's not an assault. It was joyful exuberance on both sides. She lifted him up first and they are both Italians who are known world wide for their PDAs
The fact the person in yellow analogises "If I was to abuse a little boy.." says it all. Likening child abuse with a spontaneous kiss in the midst of "mass elation" (as the other person says) is disgusting. That the ball player lifted this guy up without his consent should be an equal focus. Do "most people" really find this kiss wrong...
He is completely unable to say the word sorry...I agree, if you know you've done something that upsets someone you should sincerely say sorry....but he doesn't, he doubles down, he even said he'd kiss a male player...but he never has...🤦🏻♀️
But why touch someone without their consent? Would you do that to a female cop or female judge on duty? How about to a female doctor on duty? Or why not a nun? And then say, sorry I got carried away. Human decency is at an all time low. Why ignore these actions? What next? Fondle and then say, apologise and move on?
@@milo2324 SEXUAL ASSAULT?! LOOK UP THE DEFINITION. He did NOT sexually assault her. He KISSED HER. It’s clear it was unwanted, but it is NOT sexual assault. You are discrediting real victims of sexual assault by doing this. It’s fkn embarrassing for you.
@@milo2324Are all the players accusing him of sexual assault. Listen to the lady who said this was done in a complete state if elation and spontaneous after winning the world cup. To make anything else out of it is bs. Where does spontaneous joy go over a great win if one has to ask first if they can hug and kiss you.
Oh my @4:34 that professor just ripped "the softies" a new one. Humans are far more sensible than this, aren't we? Surely we would or should know what sexual assault looks like, and call it out when required, right?
For the record, even if Rubiales can prove he got permission. The narrative will not change. That's the danger of the world we live in. Guilty until proven innocent.
Even male footballers kiss each other when celebrating. Do you hear them complaining? This man gave her a split second kiss in his excitement, certainly not sexual, she must clearly have known that The travesty is him losing his job. Totally ridiculous.
It proves that men and women are not the same, in contrast to what the woke wants us to believe. But well, it's not the only inconsistency in their ideology.
Sexual assault? It was inappropriate no doubt. He wasn't doing it beyond closed doors, it was as public it as can be. Her job wasn't at stake. A ridiculous controversy.
Just saw the kiss for the first time. What a total embarrassment for anyone who thinks that there’s a huge problem with celebrating their first World Cup win with that act of elation. It’s totally ridiculous.
@@ray_llewe9147She could have been in shock her hands were to the side away from him.Rubiales was her boss this looks also an abuse of power.There are 15 other complaints against Rubiales ranging from sextual assault to abuse of power.
Total, utter madness - that this nonsense should go to court beggars belief. This is not abuse, certainly not a crime, to state the obvious. Sets a highly dangerous precedent. We live in dangerous times.
I’d put my hand out for a handshake, if I didn’t want to be kissed. I wouldn’t hug someone because that’s too close and a kiss coming with a hug is possible. Use logic people!! Both people need to take responsibility for the outcome.
That spontaneous kiss might well pass herpes or another infection to a woman. Anyone does that deserves a slap from the woman and prosecution from the authorities
I am proud to say i am a level headed sensible female, who thinks this is absolutely ridiculous!! I grew up in the 80s had my teenage years then, best time ever, and great easy going parents, who let me live my life, and i had the best time ever, i never brought them any trouble because they trusted me, and let me live like most teenagers want to live, enjoying life! There was no f....g worrying about people's correct pronouns, changing wonderful films to keep the woke people happy, no black lives matter, the list goes on! I would go back in a heartbeat! As for this BS, i do not know where to start, i would not have even of noticed it if nobody had said anything, it is that unimportant, and my wonderful 93 year old mum who is still fighting fit, in her own words said "she should be so lucky" lol just her sense of humor, but you can clearly tell how stupid she thinks it all is!! To any guys out there, not all women are like this, not all women need to be feared, we are not all bloody stupid, there are some of us normal ones left!! ☺Some of us still actually do like men! 🙄
I'm so afraid for our boys. They are trying to emasculate them. I won't be surprised if a time comes when pregnant women start praying not to have boys anymore for fear of them getting into trouble for trifling encounters with the female gender
jeez your hard to find ,i think your the only one left ,first time ive seen a normal genuine honest comment from a woman for probably 30 years, funny u should say not all women need to be feared, that seems to be the way things are going these days, women are creating a divide between the sexes, and men are worried ,you only have to look at a woman the wrong way these days and youll end up arrested .accused .life ruined, the system will believe the woman 99.9 percent of the time, its almost like a feeding frenzy of wild animals one hyena catches a bufalo and the other 20 hyenas waiting nearby and watching pounce and destroy it, thats woke
How can it be defined as a sexual assault? Was he expecting the kiss to lead to sex at that moment with millions looking on? The next player he kissed on the cheek. Was that also a sexual assault? Male players are now kissing each other in Premier League matches? Are these sexual assaults? I kiss my daughter and mother on the lips. A man kissing a woman does not automatically mean it's linked to a sexual impulse. They'd just won the World Cup and as the professor says, it amounts to near hysteria, at least uncontrollable excitement. People are hijacking this moment of sporting ecstasy for their own socio-political aims. It was a very, very brief joyful kiss; nothing more.
Your boss kissing you on the lips is a bit weird and gross. Put this into the office setting. You know very well that would be weird . Very weird . I'm a man and if my boss kisses me on the lips make it female I would slap them silly.
@@knightheaven8992 if you can't tell the difference between being picked up and grabbing somebody's head and forcing your lips on theirs, the I suggest you reevaluate your outlook on life
The first lady has obviously never taken part in a sport where you win a competition, if she had, she would know the emotions getting the better of you
You're supposed to not let your emotions get the better of you. I thought men were supposed to be rational? The excuse making and justifications are pathetic, like this. Control yourself.
@@GuyomarI'm sorry you've obviously never played a sport where you have won something because if you had you would realise that you get emotional and embrace everyone and in the instant you can see both of them embrace each and she picked him off his feet to begin with
Women beware. If you run up and kiss your coaches or anyone else whilst you are celebrating anything, you could be vilified exactly like Rubiales and lets face it, we've all seen women running up and kissing others in moments of joy.
Doesn't work the same way. Men can't be spontaneous around women ever. Men must always understand that being on pins and needles around women is necessary. One false move and it's over.
His actions were CREEPY.. and cringe worthy.. and I do wish it stopped but THATS IT.. it’s Not sexual abuse or a crime.. he did cross a line.. but it wasn’t the end of the world.. she would have felt uncomfortable.. but women making ridiculous claims are an embarrassment..
Heather McDonald! Brilliant answer thank you. short, bright and simple to the point. Losing the job over this is too brutal and unbalanced. Too much ado about little.
Knowing how fragile women are, he would have been better off keeping his distance from them and actually he should have complained himself about their hugging him.
Doing a sexual assault in the middle of a football field in the World Cup final with a crowded stadium in front of tv cameras, then Spanish authorities should be blamed because they put in charge literally the craziest person in the entire world.
This is damaging the woman’s sport that has taken such a leap forward. What he did is wrong but the woman have taken a very sorry stand here. As was pointed out…she picked him up first….it’s total crap. Comparing to workplace sexual harassment is not in any way the same thing.
This is absolutely ridiculous, my son played in a mixed team as captain he once kissed on the cheek and hugged a girl in celebration of her first goal! She was over the moon!
@@tigertaylor1327 if you're response was meant for me then it's because the answer would highlight an unconscious attitude towards women. The poster's son's intentions would've no doubt been good, however, why kiss a girl to show joy at a celebration when he would likely hug or put his arm around a male player in a blokey kind of way? To me it's unconsciously saying "I can kiss her because I'm a male and I doubt she'll have a problem with it because she's a female", it feels related to the attitudes that gave us old fashioned gender stereotypes.
@@barryboom717 Jesus Christ get a life ,I've never known so much up raw over a kis ,, listen to what the first woman said over and over again until you understand
This is why so many women have such difficulty finding a man! This spontaneous kiss in full public view was so far removed from sexual abuse as to render the charge ludicrous.
As soon as she said "I agree with the way the Guardian has put this ..." I knew she was going to be woke, "offended" on behalf of someone else and that I was going to lose sympathy for her point of view. And I wonder how she explains why all the ladies on the coach afterwards are laughing and joking and are actually chanting "beso, beso, beso, beso" if what occurred before was so heinous? For those who don't know that means kiss!
The professor was right…are women strong and tough or not? Should women be in combat arms or not. I was in the infantry with 4 women in my platoon…absolutely terrible soldiers….none of them were able to carry the platoon support weapons….that fun task was left to them men…..
100%. If the Luis took her to court for kissing him, he would called sexist, predatory and get accused of ruining a poor woman's football career. He would get no supports from the supposed "feminists".
An individual should not be on trial criminally for everything feminists think is wrong with society. What he did was not assault. It was culturally offensive, classless and tasteless and he paid the price by resigning his position. As Heather McDonald said, it's unlikely any lasting harm, even psychological, was done to the player unless she is truly a fragile flower, which I doubt since she is a pro athlete. This is how the leftist virtue signalers work ... any offense, but only what they consider an offense, needs to be criminalized and the "criminal" needs to be destroyed completely. Disgusting.
Why kiss her on her mouth??? Why not on the cheek??? Why not simply a friendly hug?? Elation or no elation there is APPROPRIATE behaviour which has nothing to do with fragility or lack thereof. Great pity any woman can put forth such a flippant " fragility" argument. Going to court is absolutely necessary as a LEGAL lesson to all & sundry including Piers that women are NOT to be treated in these inappropriate ways by men in any circumstance when a woman is neither a current girlfriend or wife.
The women's soccer sisterhood went batshit crazy because the coach kissed a world cup winning player yet when you see them celebrate scoring a goal they are twerking their asses at the cameras, simulating pole dancing and "making it rain cash" gestures. Hardly the actions of demure debutant ladies in waiting. Still, we are living in a world where you are not allowed to be outraged at anything but must be outranged by everything at the same time.
@@Rach0ou59 No it's not. It's about joy and spontaneous acts. We'd all think it very strange if he said "excuse me, would you mind terribly if I kissed you because this is so awesome, I'm beyond excited. Don't worry if you don't consent, that's absolutely your right" Everyone has to grow up and stop being ridiculous. What would Spaniards and Italians be without that joy and exuberance? Stuffed shirt Americans, yuk.
This whole power imbalance point has been extended well past its original legitimacy. These are both powerful people. She’s a World Cup champion, a professional athlete. She’s not a waitress. He doesn’t own the restaurant.
The context is that she was so happy getting kissed by him, she was showing the footage to her whole team whilst laughing and smiling and her whole team catcalling.
Banter, flirting and spontaneity is now made into something wrong by a few who get so traumatised, I wonder if they ever leave their homes in anticipation of being ‘assaulted’ or being victim to ‘inappropriate’ behaviour.
I have to say this is the first ever interview where Piers actually allows his panel to speak. I hate the way Piers gets people on his show and doesn't allow them to make their point without being constantly interrupted. Keep up the good work and I'll watch you more often. Taking this to court is a waste of time and money and whatever the outcome it will divide people's opinions.
It's an American tactic, take it to court knowing they'll lose, but then shout from the rooftops that the judge is wrong, and that the whole judicial system is rigged.
@@keepingitreal618 watch them again. He’s on his best behaviour for this one, normally he’ll ask someone a question, wait for them to say half a sentence, then answer the question himself. He might as well do a monologue for an hour.
So that woman says that if you're a physically strong woman, it's totally ok to have someone do anything they like to you, you have a stronger coping mechanism so it's totally ok? Fool.
Germany, Britain, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, New Zealand et al all have had female president's/prime ministers .... anything else you'd care to lie about ?@@hedakom
What would be said if it was the other way around and she grabbed and kissed him? The answer is nothing. It’s all been blown out of proportion. It’s madness.
I know right. The double standards are insane. If it was the other way around, I can imagine if Rubialas took her to court and treated her in the same way, he would still be called a predator and be accused of 'ruining a innocent woman's life' even if she did the exact same.
Heterosexual me have been know to embrace and even kiss each other spontaneously after scoring a goal. I have watched enough football to know this for a fact. The problem is too many of these token male clowns in the media are going along with this just to virtue signal. At least Rubiales ain't the Dalai Lama.... 😂😂😂😂
Men kissing men isn't the issue here though, this is a man kissing a female sportswoman , I very much doubt he would kiss a man on the lips in the same situation, maybe kiss his cheek or forehead , I remember the captain used to kiss Bartezs bald head for luck in the world Cup before the game its completey different, if he wouldn't do it to the men's captain, don't think it's appropriate to kiss the women's captain imo
Woman, men and children are being killed in this world as we speak and this is.....what!! Who give a monkey if he had permission to kissed her or not, it's just a kiss and the world needs to grow up.
In a sane society she would just say, "dude, that was not cool" and he would be "sorry, will not happen again" and it would be the end of it.
I would like to RETURN to that world.
This society has not been sane for a good few years, what are my kids growing up into
How naive of you. Abusers never apologize, they gaslight instead.
@@LucyKeukens a brief moment of inappropriate behavior is not abuse.
So when was she to say that? Why does she have to say that?
As a president, should he not be held to a higher standard?
I'm a woman. I don't believe that this was sexual assault. What I do think is that this was blown out of proportion.
I bet your husband, Boyfriend, or girlfriend would believe it. As would the law.
I totally agree.. he was caught up in the momentum event.. should have surgery kissed her on the cheek or the forehead.. all he had to do was apologize and the recipient accept it and move on.. so disappointing..😢
Yes he made a mistake and got suspended which was deserved but then they had to make him lose his job.
You never kiss a woman without her consent. Would you allow your colleague to kiss you suddenly out of excitement? It is SA in every part of the world. All he had to was apologise. But, he didn't.
Like everything is blown out of proportion. Some people have nothing better to do.
He shouldn’t have kissed her like that but the degree to which this has been overblown is almost laughable. To suggest it was criminal is an insult to anyone that’s been the victim of a sexual assault.
As a Spaniard, it is not uncommon in Spanish culture for people to be touchy and passionate in celebrations. Jenni joked with Rubiales about the kiss in the dressing room and the bus with the girls. They joked that 'they should go to Ibiza to get married'. Modern feminism has proved with this event to supersede reality and love unfortunately.
The reason it has been "overblown" is because of the way the initial complaint was handled, in an abusive manner vilifying and trashing the women, which is a reflection of the toxic environment they were in. The best way to deal with a power abuser is not with a criminal charge but with the loss of their power (loss of job).
@@LucyKeukens That's not true. It was overblown within 24 hours, before any players or the President said anything, when Pedro Sanche, Spain's Prime Minister asked Rubiales to apologize. And no one vilified anyone. They were joking about it in the bus and dressing room. You can search it up, there's a few videos out there. She even joked about the kiss in an interview with the Spanish press hours after. There's no power abuser. Simply an act of love towards a friend. It's the end of love when people confuse it with power
@@manuelrodero8764 I am coming to Spain i want to be touched and kissed.
@@manuelrodero8764 The stuff that the spain manage did happens all the time in football where players put their head onto eachothers
head lips touching lips or grazing I’ve even seem a famous incident of Gary Neville kissing Scholes without his consent
no one complains about that and that was during Manchester derby wasn’t it ?, I’ve even seen
Diego Costa slap and shake johm terry ass without his consent when cheslea won the title I’ve seen klopp and other mangers slap someone’s ass when they are about to come on onto the pitch for another player
so many more incidents in footballs that is not as bad as what the spain manager did bit similar I guess to what the Spanish guy did yes he shouldn’t do that but he was just happy and
what’s strange is people are more upset than the people the Spanish manger did it to crazy stuff
I just find it hypocritical that people are talking about this incident and so upset as if it never happened before when it happens all the time in football ffs
I am a woman and I am so offended that special groups are hijacking women and making us look like fragile flowers 🙄.
There are Real abuses that are happening and this undermines all of those offences.
The world that we apparently we live in, is one where you Absolutely cannot Apologize.
Feminists are calling for males to be put in concentration camps, others call for all males to be exterminated, including little boys and others are saying men should be restricted by curfew. These feminists are really evil people.
So, if a man grabs your arse at work that's OK is it? Wise up.
I agree It's total BS
This is the world we live in now so we all just need to adjust.
@@rickd438 I disagree with you in a friendly manner. If people adjust, the WOKE mob wins .
I think it really is disgusting that they turned a celebration kiss turned into a sexual pervert. A blind person could see it was not a sexual act. Soccer / football/ players actors winning awards..... kiss hug embrace when overjoyed. This discredits real sexual assaults that get reported.
Your lack of insight is degusting if you can't see that that was an intimate act. Or maybe men should, by law, be able to go up to any women that they like the look of and just kiss them. Like that would you? No.
@@True_Hereticwoman hug and kiss men or don't u know that also
@@Joseph-fw6xx You missed the point. Cretin. Its not about the anal stupidity of "nornality" orientated fools like you and Piers. Its about the FACT that such an act IS ASSAULT. But, as a sexist bigot, you found it impossible to perceive it as that. Having a man come into his personal space and do something physically intimate without permission is what happened to the Spanish player and it would educate Piers if it happened to him. He, and you, need an education.
Shaking my head in disbelief! It was one kiss, not rape. Absolutely Disgusting that he will lose his job over it. The Woman kissed was seen laughing about it. World's gone insane.
No one is saying one kiss is the same as rape. Imagine drinking and driving, you don’t need to be slurring your speech, falling left n right, running down 3 pedestrians to be considered drinking and driving. Even if you are over the limit by the tiniest margin it’s still considered drinking and driving. Yes he does not deserve to be prosecuted like a rapist but he should be prosecuted for what he has done, with a fitting punishment (maybe community service maybe mandatory class), NO ONE is suggesting he should be going to jail for 10years like a rapist.
@@Harz604read some more comments, people ARE saying it’s rape.
Wonder what the reaction would of been if genders were reversed. A lady kissing Male player. Nothing more would of been said.
He'd have kissed male player. Then raped them obviously. No contact from now on. Girls gonna be in danger as men avoid any or all risky complex scenarios involving women. I still think most decent men will act on instinct to help any vulnerable woman.
@@Harz604you’re delusional comparing that kiss to drinking and driving? You lot are absolutely insane! Wth
The professor nailed it of course. Strong and independent, until it's time to play the victim card. You decide ladies. Until then, this sends out a clear message to all men - stay well away.
It's not hard, mate - don't go around grabbing your crotch in public and grabbing women by the head and smack massive kisses on their faces and you'll be fine. Or is that a bit difficult for you to grasp, so you need to "stay away"? Plonker.
By my nature, I'm not exactly a tactile person, but with the law the way it is, I avoid anything beyond a handshake. Staying away from strangers is the safest bet.
Go woke go broke and he has now lost his job hope he gets a better job somewhere else
Swoon. The vapours
He won't, he's finished - the silly old fool @@lizzielonglegs1980
Such overblown drama… and so disrespectful to people who have actually been sexually abused.
sums most women up....
@@Ibanezguy2007 and thinking they are God's gift to the world sums up most men who are more than capable of generating then perpetuating their own drama. Such a rude comment from someone who doesn't care to actually discuss or consider the actual issue at hand. I agree it's overblown and disrespectful to others who have genuinely experienced the trauma of sexual assault, both male and female.
It is a political issue they are trying to cover that the last law has been approved and put in the street more than 100 rapers and 1000 have been benified. And this is the issue here.
A non consensual kiss IS abuse stupid!
i agree 1000% to what you saying,,,, everything has turned into a bullsh it direction
The ridiculousness of this and taking a man down so bad, that he lost his job, that they are going after him this bad, makes me sick
The world has gone mad! Look at where we’re at - we can’t embrace someone to offer comfort, or show thanks. We can’t kiss anyone in case it’s taken out of context and called sexual assault. We can’t hold a child’s hand if they’re upset In case it’s abuse. We’re turning the world into a cold, frigid, stoic and unpleasant place.
And that’s the whole point , they’re demoralising the population.
What an awesome summary of the madness!
Nothing wrong with being stoic, though. If we don't master our émotions, we end up ruled by them.
@@avalerie4467 Having a joyless life is not a life. Stoicism and joy should not be mutually exclusive.
@@stephanluclarose never thought of stoics as joyless. Rather not reactionary.
Joy is the result of mastering our emotions.
If THIS is the most pressing issue of the day then we truly are done for.
Dude..Imagine a more advanced species looking down, waiting for us to solve world hunger/wars/homelessness/pollution/education. And they see this instead.
Depressing ain't it?@@Ady00pk
Interestingly enough, the gender issue has been thought about (for quite a while now) as being at the forefront of our dysfunctional society. In many fields such as anthropology, psychology, sociology, philosophy... the power relationships that have formed the basis of our family, groups, societies, countries can be deconstructed through the lens of gender. And explain some of the pressing issues that we are facing as @Ady00pk has mentioned above....
we truly are done for.
@@Dandan-tg6tj With the level of your neuronal activity and critical thinking ability, yes, we are.
Cancel culture in overdrive .
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The lady nailed it. So are women strong and empowered, and able to serve in the military - or do they have no 'ability to process the devastation' that comes with a kiss on the lips? This was no victim, or assault. This was at worst, awkward. Even then, Jenni was laughing, bragging and joking about a mutual act of affection and elation. That was until the zero tolerance joy patrol we have come to know as the Me Too feminist mob, told her not to. And that some big cash is likely on offer. All we need to do is ruin this man's life and career forever.
This really insults the victims of sexual assault. And women. And men. Its opportunism. And its nauseating.
Yes I love what Heather said
Agree. I love Heather too. I'm sick of female fragility and I'm female.
Exactly. I agree that it insults real victims of sexual assault, both male and female to this blown out of all proportion because she's now been told she can get a lot of money in compensation out of this. She should absolutely do the right thing and say it was the moment and everyone was caught up in it and let it go at that. If you look at the video clip of the action, the next man along hugged the hell out of the blonde girl. She's not suggesting for even a second that he pressed up against her in a sexual manner. Are we all supposed to stop all tactile activity because someone hundreds of miles away who has nothing to do with it might be offended when they find out? I am a woman and seriously the younger generation need to grow up and put things in perspective. Yes there are abuses that should never be tolerated but there are also perhaps lapses in judgement where a simple apology for maybe overstepping should suffice. Like one of the panel put it, she had the opportunity to slap him on the spot if she was so grossed out, not wait until after all the celebrations and laughter and bus trip etc when someone else decided she should be offended.
UNTILL, the wokies took it up and then she had to agree. MOB EFFECT
He is being charged with sextual assault and coercion.There are 15 other complaints against him from other parties ranging from sextual assault to abuse of power.I believe the victim was assaulted, that there is no excuse for what he did.
I showed this clip to my 83yo mom and she can't understand why the media is going after this man. It is 100% normal to kiss someone on the lips in celebration. What the fuck happened to society in the last 40 years.
100% true
The Far Left happened
Pregúntale qué le parece tocarse los jenitales al lado de la reina
The younger generations turned into delicate, fragile flowers that a wisp of wind could uproot. If we don't purge this fragility out of humanity, it will be the end of humanity.
NO, it´s not. Not in Spain. You don´t kiss people on the lips, it's sexual.
Really; this kiss was not done in a malicious way. Society has gone bonkers.
Ridicilous ! People have gone crazy ! How can this be a crime commited ? Unbelievable!
Its just politics! and because of this corrupt polititians we have a very devided society where this corrupts just sending money to war
The era of, "Look at the injustice commited on me.".
She only got offended when somebody told her she should be offended. Its a farce
exactly right !!!
Soooo true
Its feels like she’s been bullied into this in the fear of being ‘cancelled’
Bunny boiler alert. Men if you have any sense still functioning, stay away from this one!!
We are way too sensitive. He would have kissed a guy or a goat, after winning!
It was obvious that an apology would never be enough. Nothing will satisfy the Year Zero campaigners who want a cultural cleansing.
Maybe if he were "TRANS"....All be good....GROW UP WOMEN!!
I don’t think it’s a crime, but if that soccer president guy, had simple just apologize within 24 hours & said something like: “it was in the spirit, but now I see it was wrong” etc, then this would of been all over, and he would of kept his job. But instead he had to double down, and act like some macho man, and say that “she liked” & she wanted it, & nobody tells him what to do etc: (in addition to grab his crotch like prick)
Maybe his mom should have gone on a hunger strike, during months 8 & 9, while she was carrying him. maybe he wouldn’t of been born so stubborn.
@@MikeCee7Grabbing the crotch is a cultural thing - you've made the understandable but massive mistake of being culturally uneducated which has led you to write that.
Maybe you should travel more and take in different countries and you might actually learn something and expand your very narrow horizons.
@@MikeCee7 You made those comments not him. Feeling distressed on behalf of women are you? Where is the outcry about Alison Hamond jumping on Jason Donovan?
It's ok whatever women do eh?
maybe sex should be banned - maybe emotion should be banned - maybe handshakes should be banned!!! very '1984'!!!
Thank you Professor MacDonald for hitting the nail on the head ❤🎉
If that is a crime, there should be criminal charges after nearly every single football match that has a little goal celebration. Jumping on the back of an other person uninvited, hugging, not to mention lying on someone… There are less kisses these days, but it’s still happening all the time. That’s part of the game that people like. Because it’s all about passion. I think it was indeed a bit nauseating, but not more than being kissed by a sweaty bloke that happens every day in matches. C’mon that was not sexual harassment. If it’s all getting criminalised we are slowly killing the soul of football.
I have watched the footage of this so-called 'incident' repeatedly, and for the life of me I cannot see what he did that was so wrong. It looks entirely innocent to me, like the guy is just caught up in the elation of the moment. The kiss was fleeting, and not lingering or sleazy in any way. The idea she would have been traumatized by this is laughable.
If he kissed you. You'd be OK with that?
@@crayzee1372footballers do it all the time !
Absolutely, well said
@@ascratis5471 bro, they hug not kiss. Not sure what matches you are watching?!
@@crayzee1372 If he'd kissed me and I wasn't OK with it, I'd have told him so right then & there. Not immediately laughed it off and only decided to be a "victim" when other people started sounding off as though it was a full-on rape.
It’s ridiculous a small thing like this is such an issue, he should just apologise and learn what not to do, not be treated like a rapist.
it is rape what he did
But this society which you are calling evil, see it only as sexuall assualt.
@@milo2324not sure you the definition of rape tbh
you need help mate@@milo2324
@@milo2324⁸
@@anotherhappylanding4746yes it involves penetration 😂
If it wasn’t for social media this wouldn’t be a thing!
I can’t believe she was trying to comparing it to a young boy being sexually assaulted. It’s ludicrous how it’s been blown out of proportion and it’s insulting to anyone out there male or female that’s been sexually assaulted. String independent woman that can’t stand up for themselves and say no. He was hardly forcing himself on her ffs victim culture makes my blood boil. The double standards are unbelievable.
Wow as a mother of a son, I am afraid of what this world is becoming!
This whole thing is crazy. They hugged....he grabbed her head...said something.....gave her a quick kiss...then patted her on the back! There's nothing sexual here! To raise it to the level of abuse and criminalizing it diminishes and trivializes women who are really abused!
Actually ther is another photo of him jumping on her with his legs in the air, as though to wrap around her. And he grabbed his crotch in the royal box - see comment above.
This will damage womens footballl and womens sports. It only exists in the place because of men. I wont watch womens football again.
If I'd been him, I'd have said, "Felicitaciones," and left it at at that. Mind you, I have the benefit of hindsight, and I'm not a tactile person anyway, but he must know that the law is stacked against men these days.
But it also gives woman more power over men to now accuse them of anything and have them punished, so has the power
@englishciderlover7347 I agree totally. I'm not tactile either so wouldn't have been in contact at all! Men are definitely behind the 8 ball!
This woman in yellow is ridiculous.
She is a lonely feminist😂
why was she ridiculous ? she is as entitled to her opinion as anyone else, and like Piers said she had a number of good points.
I agree with most of the stuff the lady in yellow said, but I don’t think this was a crime, but if that soccer president guy, had simple just apologize within 24 hours & said something like: “it was in the spirit, but now I see it was wrong” etc, then this would of been all over, and he would of kept his job. But instead he had to double down, and act like some macho man, and say that “she liked” & she wanted it, & nobody tells him what to do etc: (in addition to grab his crotch like prick)
Maybe his mom should have gone on a hunger strike, during months 8 & 9, while she was carrying him. maybe he wouldn’t of been born so stubborn.
@@mc.8391 it's not an opinion; it's a crusade
@@mc.8391 The entitlement to her opinion is not the issue. What a stupid thing to say. Of course, she is entitled to her dumb opinion. The discussion here for the adults is whether her opinion is good or bad. Most people are saying that her opinion is bad.
I hope I didn't use words that were too big for you.
Losing one’s job feels like sufficient punishment. If we are going to treat this as a crime we should also treat her lifting him up as a crime.
losing the job is too brutal! and too much to ask for since it cannot be considered a crime.
Assault. ABH
Very true and this should be brought up in his case you cant go round lifting people up pushing your self up against them.
I think the case will fall flat on its face. It's not an assault. It was joyful exuberance on both sides. She lifted him up first and they are both Italians who are known world wide for their PDAs
@@eedie-mr1ey yes she lifted him up first but she is not losing her job why not.?
The fact the person in yellow analogises "If I was to abuse a little boy.." says it all. Likening child abuse with a spontaneous kiss in the midst of "mass elation" (as the other person says) is disgusting. That the ball player lifted this guy up without his consent should be an equal focus. Do "most people" really find this kiss wrong...
Heather MacDonald is a gem - check out the rest of her work - she’s absolutely brilliant.
The victim card is wearing thin even if this wasn’t the most appropriate gesture. A sincere apology should suffice.
Yep - no need to get it all out of proportion. She didn't care till someone else told her she should
He is completely unable to say the word sorry...I agree, if you know you've done something that upsets someone you should sincerely say sorry....but he doesn't, he doubles down, he even said he'd kiss a male player...but he never has...🤦🏻♀️
@@heather6668no...she immediately said she didn't like it...then she was coerced....I live in Spain and have seen every detail.
But why touch someone without their consent? Would you do that to a female cop or female judge on duty? How about to a female doctor on duty? Or why not a nun? And then say, sorry I got carried away. Human decency is at an all time low. Why ignore these actions? What next? Fondle and then say, apologise and move on?
@@STM2811 ❤️❤️❤️
Woman in yellow knows nothing about participating in a sports game
That sentence still works if you remove "about participating in a sports game".
Mina has been clueless for years. Her terrible takes on Italian football are classic. Glad I don't hear from her much anymore. @@FeckWoke
Bringing this to court is outrageous …..
it is sexual assault and he denies it
@@milo2324 SEXUAL ASSAULT?! LOOK UP THE DEFINITION. He did NOT sexually assault her. He KISSED HER. It’s clear it was unwanted, but it is NOT sexual assault. You are discrediting real victims of sexual assault by doing this. It’s fkn embarrassing for you.
@@milo2324your only jealous 😮
@@milo2324it is not sexual assault , just look up Jolene De'Lemos and see as she kisses a male jockey within the same week but no media coverage
@@milo2324Are all the players accusing him of sexual assault. Listen to the lady who said this was done in a complete state if elation and spontaneous after winning the world cup. To make anything else out of it is bs. Where does spontaneous joy go over a great win if one has to ask first if they can hug and kiss you.
Oh my @4:34 that professor just ripped "the softies" a new one. Humans are far more sensible than this, aren't we? Surely we would or should know what sexual assault looks like, and call it out when required, right?
For the record, even if Rubiales can prove he got permission. The narrative will not change. That's the danger of the world we live in. Guilty until proven innocent.
Even male footballers kiss each other when celebrating. Do you hear them complaining? This man gave her a split second kiss in his excitement, certainly not sexual, she must clearly have known that The travesty is him losing his job. Totally ridiculous.
It proves that men and women are not the same, in contrast to what the woke wants us to believe. But well, it's not the only inconsistency in their ideology.
The sad thing is, she wasn't at all offended or upset until other people told her she must be.
I stand with Rubiales. He's being unfairly treated over the whole ordeal which is not an ordeal at all
Me Too.
the woman in yellow is quite obviously single, and probably has a few cats
My thoughts too
As a woman, i feel sorry for our men
Me too
Men we are disgusted with women. You will never win them back and you will loose.
Sexual assault? It was inappropriate no doubt. He wasn't doing it beyond closed doors, it was as public it as can be. Her job wasn't at stake. A ridiculous controversy.
Just saw the kiss for the first time. What a total embarrassment for anyone who thinks that there’s a huge problem with celebrating their first World Cup win with that act of elation. It’s totally ridiculous.
Well she did not pull away or slap him, if she was that taken back she would of pulled away or hit him.
@@ray_llewe9147She could have been in shock her hands were to the side away from him.Rubiales was her boss this looks also an abuse of power.There are 15 other complaints against Rubiales ranging from sextual assault to abuse of power.
@@PaulDonnam-xs4kgit's a celebration of a world cup win. Anyone who thinks anything else has serious problems
@@Trebor74 That's how he probably thought he was going to get away with it, he was wrong.
@@PaulDonnam-xs4kg when you look for evil you tend to find it. Even if it's only in your head
If it had been the other way round, would she have been kicked off the team ?
Probably not! Exactly what I was thinking. The double standards are insane.
Total, utter madness - that this nonsense should go to court beggars belief. This is not abuse, certainly not a crime, to state the obvious. Sets a highly dangerous precedent. We live in dangerous times.
I’d put my hand out for a handshake, if I didn’t want to be kissed. I wouldn’t hug someone because that’s too close and a kiss coming with a hug is possible. Use logic people!! Both people need to take responsibility for the outcome.
That spontaneous kiss might well pass herpes or another infection to a woman. Anyone does that deserves a slap from the woman and prosecution from the authorities
Professor MacDonald is worth her title. Brilliant!
Hermosa should be ashamed of herself allowing herself to be a puppet for media hype ……… She is letting women down big time
I am proud to say i am a level headed sensible female, who thinks this is absolutely ridiculous!!
I grew up in the 80s had my teenage years then, best time ever, and great easy going parents, who let me live my life, and i had the best time ever, i never brought them any trouble because they trusted me, and let me live like most teenagers want to live, enjoying life!
There was no f....g worrying about people's correct pronouns, changing wonderful films to keep the woke people happy, no black lives matter, the list goes on! I would go back in a heartbeat!
As for this BS, i do not know where to start, i would not have even of noticed it if nobody had said anything, it is that unimportant, and my wonderful 93 year old mum who is still fighting fit, in her own words said "she should be so lucky" lol just her sense of humor, but you can clearly tell how stupid she thinks it all is!!
To any guys out there, not all women are like this, not all women need to be feared, we are not all bloody stupid, there are some of us normal ones left!! ☺Some of us still actually do like men! 🙄
This!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you. Excellent comment.
We live in a society that is trying to over correct everything.
I'm so afraid for our boys. They are trying to emasculate them. I won't be surprised if a time comes when pregnant women start praying not to have boys anymore for fear of them getting into trouble for trifling encounters with the female gender
jeez your hard to find ,i think your the only one left ,first time ive seen a normal genuine honest comment from a woman for probably 30 years, funny u should say not all women need to be feared, that seems to be the way things are going these days, women are creating a divide between the sexes, and men are worried ,you only have to look at a woman the wrong way these days and youll end up arrested .accused .life ruined, the system will believe the woman 99.9 percent of the time, its almost like a feeding frenzy of wild animals one hyena catches a bufalo and the other 20 hyenas waiting nearby and watching pounce and destroy it, thats woke
The professor is absolutely right, if women are so fantastically week then maybe the shouldn´t have any responsibility. It´s beyond pathetic!
I spontaneously kissed a woman 39 1/2 years ago and have been married to her now for 38 years :)
Lucky! she did not sue you.
How can it be defined as a sexual assault? Was he expecting the kiss to lead to sex at that moment with millions looking on? The next player he kissed on the cheek. Was that also a sexual assault? Male players are now kissing each other in Premier League matches? Are these sexual assaults? I kiss my daughter and mother on the lips. A man kissing a woman does not automatically mean it's linked to a sexual impulse. They'd just won the World Cup and as the professor says, it amounts to near hysteria, at least uncontrollable excitement. People are hijacking this moment of sporting ecstasy for their own socio-political aims. It was a very, very brief joyful kiss; nothing more.
Your boss kissing you on the lips is a bit weird and gross. Put this into the office setting. You know very well that would be weird . Very weird . I'm a man and if my boss kisses me on the lips make it female I would slap them silly.
Your comment is spot on. The world is going crazy for sure.
@@flamingosaregreat the setting isnt in a office is it? it was a moment that it was..
@@knightheaven8992 if you can't tell the difference between being picked up and grabbing somebody's head and forcing your lips on theirs, the I suggest you reevaluate your outlook on life
@@knightheaven8992 it was still disgusting and vulgar
The first lady has obviously never taken part in a sport where you win a competition, if she had, she would know the emotions getting the better of you
or had some monstrous front rower slap you on the bum for a good phase of play 😁😁
She only ever was half relevant as a pundit as she would wear clothes that didn't fit 😂 looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp
You are right. It's the emotions of the moment that leads sports people including women pulling off their shirts in celebration
You're supposed to not let your emotions get the better of you. I thought men were supposed to be rational? The excuse making and justifications are pathetic, like this. Control yourself.
@@GuyomarI'm sorry you've obviously never played a sport where you have won something because if you had you would realise that you get emotional and embrace everyone and in the instant you can see both of them embrace each and she picked him off his feet to begin with
Women beware. If you run up and kiss your coaches or anyone else whilst you are celebrating anything, you could be vilified exactly like Rubiales and lets face it, we've all seen women running up and kissing others in moments of joy.
Doesn't work the same way. Men can't be spontaneous around women ever. Men must always understand that being on pins and needles around women is necessary. One false move and it's over.
@@rickd438too true.. Unfortunately 😮
I have Seen Women do far worse but apparently that’s fine.. I am so sick of the hypocrisy..
His actions were CREEPY.. and cringe worthy.. and I do wish it stopped but THATS IT.. it’s Not sexual abuse or a crime.. he did cross a line.. but it wasn’t the end of the world.. she would have felt uncomfortable.. but women making ridiculous claims are an embarrassment..
Next time a woman shakes my hand I am taking the bitch to the fn court.
Cause that is a sexual assault.
Why didn’t he just allow her to speak about their success-his behavior was uncalled for
Are we seriously talking about that kiss being Criminal? Ridiculous.
Oh please. Can we have FEWER hysterical women??? (and I’m a WOMAN). Deal with your upset PRIVATELY. 🇺🇸
Heather McDonald! Brilliant answer thank you. short, bright and simple to the point. Losing the job over this is too brutal and unbalanced. Too much ado about little.
Knowing how fragile women are, he would have been better off keeping his distance from them and actually he should have complained himself about their hugging him.
Please don't tar us all with the same brush , some of us support him.
Doing a sexual assault in the middle of a football field in the World Cup final with a crowded stadium in front of tv cameras, then Spanish authorities should be blamed because they put in charge literally the craziest person in the entire world.
This is damaging the woman’s sport that has taken such a leap forward.
What he did is wrong but the woman have taken a very sorry stand here. As was pointed out…she picked him up first….it’s total crap. Comparing to workplace sexual harassment is not in any way the same thing.
This is absolutely ridiculous, my son played in a mixed team as captain he once kissed on the cheek and hugged a girl in celebration of her first goal! She was over the moon!
Does he do it to his male teammates?
Why ask that question??
If I were him, I'd get a lawyer. She'll sue him in twenty year's time.
@@tigertaylor1327 if you're response was meant for me then it's because the answer would highlight an unconscious attitude towards women.
The poster's son's intentions would've no doubt been good, however, why kiss a girl to show joy at a celebration when he would likely hug or put his arm around a male player in a blokey kind of way?
To me it's unconsciously saying "I can kiss her because I'm a male and I doubt she'll have a problem with it because she's a female", it feels related to the attitudes that gave us old fashioned gender stereotypes.
@@barryboom717 Jesus Christ get a life ,I've never known so much up raw over a kis ,, listen to what the first woman said over and over again until you understand
I love lady with the glasses 👓 she is spot on 💯 this is insanity
This is why so many women have such difficulty finding a man! This spontaneous kiss in full public view was so far removed from sexual abuse as to render the charge ludicrous.
As soon as she said "I agree with the way the Guardian has put this ..." I knew she was going to be woke, "offended" on behalf of someone else and that I was going to lose sympathy for her point of view.
And I wonder how she explains why all the ladies on the coach afterwards are laughing and joking and are actually chanting "beso, beso, beso, beso" if what occurred before was so heinous? For those who don't know that means kiss!
Young men are avoiding western woman all the time now. Just not going near them for any reason. It's not hard to see why.....
The American lady is spot on!!!
He has been made a scape goat. The whole situation is shocking 😢
What the crime here is that anyone would waste their time watching soccer.
The woman on the right made the most sense.
Ffs did the female athlete get raped or just kissed ,what is going on
That first woman really hates men she must have got jilted at the alter..how can that be ‘sexual assault’ absolute bonkers..
She just needs, you know, a piece of filet mignon.
The professor was right…are women strong and tough or not? Should women be in combat arms or not. I was in the infantry with 4 women in my platoon…absolutely terrible soldiers….none of them were able to carry the platoon support weapons….that fun task was left to them men…..
you can't manhandle a woman without her permission
Oh for goodness sake.
Did someone die?
No.
Get over yourselves.
The world has gone mad .Ok she didn't want the kiss but would an adult conversations and an apology not fix this instead of the bloke losing his job.
I saw the video on the team bus of her laughing and her teammates shouting "kiss kiss kiss" was all very friendly, not sure how it all turned sour
Because politics got involved, feminist/communist Irene Montero minister published a tweet , and all this nonsense was used as a campaign
If she kissed him same reaction? No.
100%. If the Luis took her to court for kissing him, he would called sexist, predatory and get accused of ruining a poor woman's football career. He would get no supports from the supposed "feminists".
An individual should not be on trial criminally for everything feminists think is wrong with society. What he did was not assault. It was culturally offensive, classless and tasteless and he paid the price by resigning his position. As Heather McDonald said, it's unlikely any lasting harm, even psychological, was done to the player unless she is truly a fragile flower, which I doubt since she is a pro athlete. This is how the leftist virtue signalers work ... any offense, but only what they consider an offense, needs to be criminalized and the "criminal" needs to be destroyed completely. Disgusting.
It's only a crime if the kiss was forced against someone's will , not a victory kiss 😳 a victory kiss is quite innocent 😏
If it's not consensual it's than it's forced ...
Simply amazing, such an enormous level of effort to make a kiss a criminal act, when in the streets there are people running around with machetes...
This is an exceptional woman!! The lady with glasses
Why kiss her on her mouth??? Why not on the cheek??? Why not simply a friendly hug??
Elation or no elation there is APPROPRIATE behaviour which has nothing to do with fragility or lack thereof.
Great pity any woman can put forth such a flippant " fragility" argument.
Going to court is absolutely necessary as a LEGAL lesson to all & sundry including Piers that women are NOT to be treated in these inappropriate ways by men in any circumstance when a woman is neither a current girlfriend or wife.
I’m a woman and I think it was done out of a great celebration of winning World Cup, I also think he probably would have done the same to a man.
Now I'm worried.
The women's soccer sisterhood went batshit crazy because the coach kissed a world cup winning player yet when you see them celebrate scoring a goal they are twerking their asses at the cameras, simulating pole dancing and "making it rain cash" gestures. Hardly the actions of demure debutant ladies in waiting. Still, we are living in a world where you are not allowed to be outraged at anything but must be outranged by everything at the same time.
Well said - someone with some sense
Very good point. Make your damned minds up "ladies"
Plus half of them on only fans
It's all about consent. Not a really hard concept to grasp
@@Rach0ou59 No it's not. It's about joy and spontaneous acts. We'd all think it very strange if he said "excuse me, would you mind terribly if I kissed you because this is so awesome, I'm beyond excited. Don't worry if you don't consent, that's absolutely your right" Everyone has to grow up and stop being ridiculous. What would Spaniards and Italians be without that joy and exuberance? Stuffed shirt Americans, yuk.
Absolutely Rediculous....nothing should have happened...an absurd situation.
As an allie in this situation, I want to know what's going to be done about Georgie Peorgie, he kissed multiple women who also, all cried.
This whole power imbalance point has been extended well past its original legitimacy. These are both powerful people. She’s a World Cup champion, a professional athlete. She’s not a waitress. He doesn’t own the restaurant.
The context is that she was so happy getting kissed by him, she was showing the footage to her whole team whilst laughing and smiling and her whole team catcalling.
It's an offence to actual victims of abuse.
Banter, flirting and spontaneity is now made into something wrong by a few who get so traumatised, I wonder if they ever leave their homes in anticipation of being ‘assaulted’ or being victim to ‘inappropriate’ behaviour.
I have to say this is the first ever interview where Piers actually allows his panel to speak. I hate the way Piers gets people on his show and doesn't allow them to make their point without being constantly interrupted. Keep up the good work and I'll watch you more often. Taking this to court is a waste of time and money and whatever the outcome it will divide people's opinions.
It's an American tactic, take it to court knowing they'll lose, but then shout from the rooftops that the judge is wrong, and that the whole judicial system is rigged.
I like his interviews you just see it different
@@keepingitreal618 watch them again. He’s on his best behaviour for this one, normally he’ll ask someone a question, wait for them to say half a sentence, then answer the question himself.
He might as well do a monologue for an hour.
He still dominated the airtime in total but better than usual
Get him on the subject of Meghan Markle and racism and he won't shut up!!
Well said professor 👏👏👏
So that woman says that if you're a physically strong woman, it's totally ok to have someone do anything they like to you, you have a stronger coping mechanism so it's totally ok? Fool.
Heather Mcdonald is spot on as usual
It was a storm in a teacup that turned into a witch hunt. The player he kissed has allowed herself to get swept along on this wave of misandry
If it were a woman president doing this, it would of been laughed off by now 😂
A female president will not kiss a man on the lips!!
Germany, Britain, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, New Zealand et al all have had female president's/prime ministers .... anything else you'd care to lie about ?@@hedakom
Women don't do that, fool.
Ah? Katy Perry on live TV? now that was most definitely sexual assult@@js9273
@@hedakomonly a matter of time
Balague was ridiculous and that lady in yellowbdouble ridiculous. Obviously, the American lady to the right said it the right way
What would be said if it was the other way around and she grabbed and kissed him? The answer is nothing. It’s all been blown out of proportion. It’s madness.
Perhaps men should start doing that, see how the me too lot feel when the boot is on the other foot.
I know right. The double standards are insane. If it was the other way around, I can imagine if Rubialas took her to court and treated her in the same way, he would still be called a predator and be accused of 'ruining a innocent woman's life' even if she did the exact same.
Heterosexual me have been know to embrace and even kiss each other spontaneously after scoring a goal. I have watched enough football to know this for a fact.
The problem is too many of these token male clowns in the media are going along with this just to virtue signal.
At least Rubiales ain't the Dalai Lama.... 😂😂😂😂
How do we know that they are heterosexual?
Was it your boss ?
@@dhenderson1810are you saying Gary Neville and Paul Scholes aren’t? Someone better tell their wives 😮
Men kissing men isn't the issue here though, this is a man kissing a female sportswoman , I very much doubt he would kiss a man on the lips in the same situation, maybe kiss his cheek or forehead , I remember the captain used to kiss Bartezs bald head for luck in the world Cup before the game its completey different, if he wouldn't do it to the men's captain, don't think it's appropriate to kiss the women's captain imo
Oh verrrry good point! Now that WAS creepy!
Woman, men and children are being killed in this world as we speak and this is.....what!!
Who give a monkey if he had permission to kissed her or not, it's just a kiss and the world needs to grow up.