I agree, the rainbow union would almost certainly have leapt to their feet as one and applauded 'true love' between human beings if a woman had done that. 🙄
Males footballers snog each other after a goal regularly. I've seen a goalscorer literally mobbed by hugs and kisses without complaining. Never mind claiming assault
Dont know why everybody is so annoyed, after the kiss she was smiling, so hardly upset, it was a heat of the moment thing, the way its been portrayed is digusting.
Yes, she was smiling and later she is shown in a jubilant state of mind on the bus. These women on the panel are right: it was not sexual in nature. It seems that any close contact between powerful men and women now risks being characterised as both sexual and unwelcome unless there is prior written consent.
I’m elderly, in my youth I’ve been kissed spontaneously about 6 times, I wouldn’t call it being assaulted, you just get caught up in the moment. Why make such a big thing of it, everyone is a victim nowadays.
My goodness if I totted up such moments in my life I'd need a long sheet of paper. I'm in my sixties now. I've had far worse happen and dealt with It . What's traumatising about it?
Because it is a boss. I'd have felt horrible if my boss had done that. The media has made a fuss. He should have apologised and said he'd learned from it, but he has chosen to step down rather than taking time to reconsider.
And if a exuberant female head goes on to kiss a male football player if they won the world cup, this supposed law will not apply. I can understand the hysteria if it was a woman at the back end, but law still don't and won't see the two genders as equal.
No, but what has followed in the subsequent 3 weeks definitely is criminal, and that is why the Spanish prosecutor has decided to prosecute that as a criminal offence. Learn to read.
@@bygoneera9521 Well, a public prosecutor (that is an official position, obviously) in the Spanish government *has* been following it closely, and she has applied to a judge for permission to charge him with criminal conduct over it. Which adds a really interesting dimension to why he decided (after refusing to resign for 20 days) to fly to London and announce his resignation to Piers Morgan, of all people. I could be wrong, but i don't see any connection between Morgan and Spanish football (aside from his attempt to stick his oar into something of which he understands next to nothing, I would guess). He's an Arsenal fan. When was the last time he attended a Barcelona F.C. match?
If her and her team mates weren't celebrating the kiss then I'd buy that she was offended. This is very much a case of forcing her to pretend to be offended for another fascist feminist agenda and for you media lot to have something to talk about
@@paulrichards6894not true...she said in the dressing rooms that she didn't like it at all...Rubiales doesn't kiss male players!!! He grabbed his balls ...his mum went on a pathetic hunger strike...he lied and made it all about HIM !!! He doesn't deserve to represent Spain !!!
@@paulrichards6894 I live in Spain...if he had said SORRY, it would have finished, but he didn't...he pressured her to lie, he lied, he used his daughters, his mum, then blamed Jenni...he really messed up!
@@fay5479 she didnt look in any way offended or upset.....that came later when friends \agents told her about the £££ she could make.....google the photo of her kissing her brother on the lips.....that is deeply disturbing
I am a survivor of Domestic Violence and she is NOT A VICTIM 💯 This is just all media bs 🤦🏻♀️ Why should he apologise??? What the hell did he do wrong?? There was ZERO sexuality around it 💯 If the bird can't handle that then get out of the club!! This is football for crying out loud and it's majority a lads game, if you can't take something like that which again was just like a Father kissing his daughter, then she needs to not be doing this sport 🤷🏻♀️ If she felt that bad about it then she should have made it clearer then and there
If you really are a survivor of DV then you should have a bit more empathy for a young woman saying she didn't like how she was treated. But no, you exhibit your own internalised misogyny. She is not a bird, she's a young woman. She's also doesn't have to agree to be forcibly kissed in order to play football. And this isn't "a majority lads [sic] game", it was the apex of women's football - nothing to do with men. And finally I don't know what your father did to you, but if my father had kissed me like that it would most definitely not be okay. And for the record I'm a DV survivor and Latin and no this isn't a cultural thing either.
I agree with @tc6758, that survivors of sexual assault should have a bit more empathy. Personally, I would not like any man or woman grabbing my head in a vice-like grip and planting a kiss on my lips. I don't think he meant anything sexual, and I think he was just carried away in the excitement of the moment. I feel the outcome would have been different if he'd apologised immediately, acknowledged that women can feel uncomfortable with that type of interaction, assured people that he'd learned from it, and made a sincere apology to the woman. Claiming that there was consent is problematic under the circumstances. If he was acting on the advice of a legal team it is them who should be sacked.
As a survivor of child sex abuse, I say that she’s is a victim of it’s how she feels. Who are you to decide who is a victim and who is not? You need to learn humility and empathy.
Totally Ridiculous, is what this scenario is, Feminism at its worst. I, as a woman am sick to death of these types of women always moaning and being derisive about men. They certainly do not represent any women l know?😮 Its all gone too far!!! He made a mistake as many of us do at times, with an over zealous show of affection, which was at the worst a stupid thing to do, obviously as the result has lost him his job, apart from all the abuse he is getting.😮
Credit to the whole panel. All coming from different perspectives, but listening to, and respectfully disagreeing and debating with each other so we can all do the mental gymnastics and work out right from wrong. Really useful conversation.
The footage from the team coach after where they're all laughing and joking about it is damning, Hermoso showing teammates memes about it whilst smiling, then when Rubiales gets on the coach they all start chanting "Beso! Beso!" which means "Kiss! Kiss!", and Hermoso jokingly asks if she can have another one to which Rubiales replies laughing "Stop it you're making me blush!" Only afterwards when the agenda drivers took it and ran and the woke monster stirred from it's slumber like Cthulhu did they have a problem with it, probably because they realised they could make money from the story by becoming professional victims.
Yes, that sounds about right. It would appear that others were far more offended than her and that has been picked up on and I think she felt pressured into making a complaint. Did she honestly ask him for another one? Where did you see that?
Wouldn't it be a sad irony if the main problem was that members of that community were worried that she might have been having a change of heart regarding her total rejection of all males ... ??
Holy crap! That was what went down afterwards?!? Well in that case, 100% he should not have resigned. That Hermoso is quite malicious then .. she has cynically turned the whole thing around and used it to get him fired and (presumably) make money!
Someone makes a silly mistake caught up in the moment and in typical fashion with thrse modern times he's demonised and thrown under the bus. If a Woman done that to a man no one would give a toss
Stop screwing over good men. If a conversation was needed, it should have been done privately between the two of them. This was not a crime against the woman or indeed society at large. This was a celebratory kiss after accomplishing a huge feat in a culture that commonly shows affection to and for one another. An act of violence, it was not. An act if sexual assault, it was not. Stop pretending that it was. To do so, is a disgrace to all those who genuinely experience one or both of them.
Lesson learned: if you are a male in a senior role in ANY business, don’t employ any woman in any role under any circumstances… it’s simply not worth it
You can hire them just don’t socialize with them. But then you’ll probably get in trouble for ignoring them and not making them feel valued. You have to learn to socialize robotically.
@@PeaceMatters5 lets be honest that isn't the same as stealing is agaibst the law regardless of maliciousness. I'll be honest to not knowing the specifics of what is/isn't classed as sexual assault under the law. But if you are able to wxplain that would be a muxh more helpful comment
@@stephenremnant8151 Funny how men are so intelligent up until the point of knowing what sexual assault is where you want to play dumb😂. I'll give you a clue if you abruptly impose(man handled a person) put your gross mouth on someone's lips without consent/permission especially obviously not romantically involved that is assault. Fun fact - Up until 1990s it was legal to rape your wife so we have a long way to go with this.
@@stephenremnant8151 under Spanish law you can't kiss someone on the lips without consent regardless of context or intent.. It's called 'Solo si es sí' and it was introduced as a result of La Manada case.
What about the woman to randomly grabbed the King and kissed him on the cheek that week during national mourning last year when he was greeting the crowds outside the palace? Should she be held accountable? No. She was caught up in the moment and overcome with emotion. As was Rubiales.
he still didnt give his permission did she ask did he mind she and the others were having a laugh about it on the team bus and when he got on he said i am embarrased they were shouting kiss kiss and laughing including the girl that was kissed dont make out that women cant be as bad towards men i have seen it but that ok@@elisemcuk9808
A kiss on the lips is personal and intimate . A kiss on the cheek is not , as long as the hands are not in inappropriate places . My father had an older relative who used to kiss every female with a hard smack on the lips and we all hated it , including 13 year old me and my 40 year old mother . He loved when streakers did there thing at the cricket and saw Hair , three times . Yuk !
Men haven’t had to fight for anything…not the right to vote, not for equal pay, not to be treated with respect. You can’t compare the two scenarios. That’s ridiculous. No one in a position of power should test their employees personal boundaries. This guy has a history of lewd and offensive behavior. Sounded like he needed to be called out.
If the genders were reversed ie if she kissed him we would never have heard anything about this. Perhaps one day we will indeed achieve gender equality but this will certainly not be anytime soon.
Am never going to hold a door open for a lady anymore, she may think am trying to get into her knickers. Never going to stop for a lady with a flat car tire. Any action of kindness or good manners will eventually become offensive.
I'm a women and I have to say It sucks U feel like that because it's women like that who ruins it for the good ones that are still left out there ,all these Karens piss me to .
@@kyammarsh8324 I love nothing more than been a gentleman to any woman, but it's always in the back of my mind over the last couple of years wether or not to approach them fearing that I may offend her especially after watching this video. A good example was last Friday night I could see a lady putting engine oil in her car, she may have been ok doing it and most probably was ,but normally I would have gone over to her just to make sure everything was ok. I thought no just go it's not worth.
@@Rob-eg8qc I get you, and you are right. But, you were never going to grab a woman's head with both hands and plant a kiss on her lips without making sure that is what she wanted, were you? Especially as you are a "gentleman". But yes, the reaction to the Rubiales kiss is a massive over reaction - it was a moment of high celebration and Rubiales forgot how to conduct himself in the moment. It wasn't sexual, he wasn't flexing his power, it was just celebration - obviously. An apology, with a minor reprimand should have been enough. And the actions of Hermoso on the bus afterwards show just how cynical the fauz outrage is.
If Rubiales had immediately apologised for what he did, saying that he was caught up in the moment, it is quite likely that he would have kept his job and the matter would have blown over. However he turned the whole matter into being about him, not about the woman. Unfortunately what he did has overshadowed the victory of the Spanish women in the World Cup.
Couldn’t she also have taken this approach instead of ruining his career? Yeah I was a little taken back however we did just win the World Cup so understandable the emotion just got the better of him. No big deal!
sure they wanted him out and got him out he said on the bus while the women were laughing that he was embarrassed or did you miss that convenient that not brought up it was at the moment thing and they all seemed to find it funny and were winding him up
Nah; the moment he apologised it wouldn't have made a difference, an apology is admission of guilt and wrong-doing, this would not have changed the outcome. secondly, this was only an issue when everyone else took issue with it, there was not an immediate outcry from the Spanish player; because she knew exactly what it was. Kissing etiquette, and Spain greet and congratulate in this way, sure it's usually on the cheek.. but i doubt she feels he was so in the wrong; that he lost his position; and deserves 2 years in jail?
Yeah, I'm glad I'm not young now. Life was much more straightforward in my day. We knew how to deal with unwanted advances without any drama. Not that this was an advance, just a spontaneous display of celebration.
@@flygrace Yeah, what happened to women being strong and just saying, "Hey...come on now!" or brushing it off? Modern women are so weak and are causing the downfall of white society! Men just can't be bothered with them anymore!
Nothing was mentioned directly after this; it got blown up online and what not, then it became an issue and the individual in question that got kissed ran with it.. there is nothing here.
I don't know if Hermoso is gay but , if she is, and she'd been kissed on the lips by a female official would there be the same furore ? No. Of course there wouldn't.
I completely believe he got caught up in the moment, and I don’t think there was any sexual intent HOWEVER if I did something well in work and my CEO gave me a kiss, it would be completely inappropriate and I definitely would not be ok with it. Even the thought of it turns my stomach 🤢
Agreed! But there's a huge difference between winning a cup final and a regular office job. Totally different environments and they cant be compared. People are blowing it out of proportion.
Well, “gave a kiss” is a bit imprecise. In my country it is / it was customary to give 2 kisses on the cheek either man to woman, woman to woman, woman to men. Kiss on the mouth of course is not customary between friends and acquaintances, or in professional settings. So case this ever happened a CEO kissing someone in the mouth, of course one would expect an apology, and, apology or no apology the normal course of action would be report the incident to HR. My opinion, demanding immediate resignation of CEO, or accusing CEO of sexual assault (over a kiss), is not the correct way of procedure. If the CEO do have a history of similar misconduct then that’s another matter, but it’s HR to act, the firms legal system, if all these fails externals entities like police.
Spoken like a true sex offender. Most people would agree it was wrong and inappropriate. It is wrong but not a crime. He lost his job and that should be enough.
@@gdotace wow the audacity to call me a sex offender. Your scum and lack any form of class. My opinion is just that mine. Continue down the woke path society is such a better place now. Make sure you get consent to kiss your kids before bedtime because we are heading down that road. Wake up before it’s too late. Shaming language you used is exactly the theatrics the media loves. Stay on the left I’ll gladly stay on the right. My wife supports my opinion and I’m a loving father and husband. This was over blown and an apology could suffice. Have you won a World Cup and had the same feeling of elation as this gentlemen that kissed and hugged all the ladies on his team. He simply kissed her on the lips out of pure happiness and passion. Why is an apology not enough. Take his career and reputation. Do some background research on this guy never did anything wrong prior. Where is the compassion and forgiveness. Hope you don’t ever make a mistake in your pitiful excuse of existence.
All this backlash does is just make women look like crybabies and helpless little girls. Mens' footballers are kissing and hugging and rolling on the ground together and their coaches are often kissing them on the lips etc. Move on. She is not a victim.
I remember people giving out about david Beckham kissing his daughter the world gone mad it should just be between the player and the president to sort it out even myself have seen people interfering into things and stirring the pot
I remember watching Top of the Pops years ago as a child when it was live. There was an incident on there and I could sense, almost immediately, that the woman who had been touched by the DJ was not comfortable with it at all and that something seriously bad had just happened. I have tried to do a comparison between that and what happened after the World Cup Final. Far from being offended or upset by it the player appeared to just go with the mood at the time. I think it should be pointed out that many strangers do actually kiss each other on the lips at New Year. It's not unpleasant at all if both parties are ok with it. Did that incident at the WC honestly bear any resemblance to the assault that I saw years ago? No, it didn't. What has really irritated me about this saga is that I believe that the player, Jenny, was actually told, in no uncertain terms, that she should have absolutely hated it! Would that have been a jealous partner, one wonders? Or perhaps other players/supporters who have openly declared that they are only interested in same sex relationships forsaking all men in the process? The way this snowballed was utterly sickening. It became a psychological battle ground for something far too close to a terrorist mob baying for blood because a straight male had the audacity to kiss one of the 'other side' .... ?? You would appear to have a case of a heterosexual man having his career ruined as an appeasement and currently, you would also appear to have women and girls being hated on by people who are most likely not heterosexuals (and their whims being pandered to) to the extent of it now being suggested that >> the words woman or girl are cancelled
Although i agree the way the girls behave towards it on the bus weakens the argument, she was recorded immediately after saying she 'didn't like it but what could she do', it is also possible to hold multiple emotions at any one time. Everybody conveniently overlooks that Rubiales & the Spanish FA fabricated a statement on Hermoso's behalf which is just straight up fraudulent.
@@NapoleonicWargaming So why was that assault left in? I find that extraordinary and I always believed that was the only reason it was shown because it would have been difficult to edit it out. When I say live I mean when the groups used to actually play the tracks live rather than a pre-recorded track, i.e. "5 Aug 2019 · Yes, there had been live performances before - New Order were the first to go fully live when they sang Blue Monday in 1983" (The Guardian).
@@Animalistic9 What you may well be dealing with is the player and other team mates seeing the replay of that and a gradual realisation amongst them that it actually looks wrong >> if she has a female partner
Years from now....we won't be able to smile at anyone,hug,show affections.....the government will have us all tagged and given an 'electric shock' for non conformance!! The world is going mad!!!!!!!!!! 😮😮😮
Nottingham had this thing not too many years ago that if you looked at a woman for more than thirty seconds it was considered unwanted and misogynist and could have you arrested! I don't know if that has changed! White men have had enough and birth rates for whites is down as well as marriages. Modern feminists are causing the downfall of the white population. Irony is, try telling these moral standards to the influx of migrants and see how far that goes! Just look at Sweden!
So all the girl on girl kissing was ok, a man in an euphoric state of mind after his team have just won the world cup kissing one of his team is demonised, really...!!!
@@dombrown-tz3zu So for the women kissing each other at the win, where's the written permission in advance? PS. Not that the left care about consent for the peasants.
@@linesided That's why he should have stood his ground. All those players kissing each other. Everyone called as a witness. Did you have prior written consent to be kissed? Er No. Thank you. No more questions.... Repeat and rinse
I've watched womens football for years. After this , I will never watch it again.all it seems to be now is a bunch of angry lesbians with huge chips on their shoulders trying to cash in
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Blonde girl: it’s not about criminalising intentions, that’s not how the law works Following sentence from blonde girl: it’s about power, men believing they have power over women’s bodies. So really, it’s not about the action for you? It’s sounds like you’re speculating about intentions
Thanks to people like the lady in the yellow jacket, I refuse to help women in need. I live in an area where it gets very cold in the winter. A few winters ago a girl's (late 20s early 30s) car had broken down on a rural road and it was very cold outside. She tried to flag me down, so I could give her a ride or help her in some way, but I didn't stop. I kept going because I would hate for her to say I did something I didn't. It's happened. I've seen it happen and I'm not going to put myself in a position to allow that to happen to me. They think they're helping themselves by blaming men for something they didn't do or blowing something out of proportion, but they're only hurting themselves. I will never help a women in need for fear of being falsely accused and going to jail for something I didn't do. They can call me a coward or whatever they want for not helping but that's ok. I would rather be a free coward than an innocent person in jail.
My own take is, it's indecent, not criminal & I remember other outlets stating he apologised but the manner in which he did, didn't sit well with some, hence, the further brouhaha. But overall, I think the justice systems of the world need to review & brainstorm how to persecute sexual cases, (especially that of Spain) & we as people need to rethink the fallouts cases like these can cause & we contribute too. As for the Spanish FA, the fact that they were willing to use pre-WC events in this issue with heads rolling says a lot about their petty & highly politicised behaviour. Overall, I feel for Rubiales & I'm afraid for my gender.
We should rally for him to get his job back!!! A stupid girl with man issues sees this as an assault/sex crime…. And instigates the worries cause she never got hugs from daddy
Oh for cry out loud it was a kiss closed mouth it was a Peck that’s not considered sexual assault what is wrong with you people. I know it’s sexual assault is because I’ve had it done to me that’s not sexual assault
Is it a crime to kiss someone? The worlds has gone MAD. Obviously, it was unwise, but to crucify him? Disappointed in the footballer joining in - she looked very happy on that team bus.
A kiss on the hand is apprechiation a face grab and smack on the lips is dominance and ownership, an attitude theyve had issues with for some time. His feelings and self deluded intentions arent as important as his impact. This is the very point Poers majes about climate activists aswell. Intention means zero if the impact is the opposite
Remember how the England female team turned into a bunch of Hooligans after they one Euros (shouting screaming, jumping on desks uninvited etc) Seems to be one rule for them.
she kissed him at the same time as he kissed her, that's why it appeared consensual !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
After a controversial change in Spanish law , any touching without consent, including kissing,is considered sexual assault. She did not give consent, she was overwhelmed by the moment and could not react. In Spanish culture, kissing on the lips is reserved for romantic relationships-wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend -but not even family would kiss on the lips, it is only usual to hug, shake hands and hug. Rubiales, whether overwhelmed with joy or not, he took a liberty, that even in his culture is not acceptable!!! He broke the law!!!
This is all rubbish,not sexual at all,in front of thousands of people Rubiales was euphoric because of the victory he was caught in the moment.and it’s just a smack.
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Mafia Bosses used to kiss on the lips. Brothers who have not seen each other for long time can kiss . There some countries is where men kissing men during celebrations do kiss. And this does not make them gay.
Haven't you forgotten in the same situation... euforia ,men kiss other men and nothing happens but here it was political convenience check who start this and why is a very good distraction of something more important that is going on in Spanish politics, besides it is crazy to call sexual assault a kiss is to diminish the real assault, it is a shame ,lately everything is out of context, if i was Jennifer hermoso i will be ashamed to let them used me in this way
This has been the Biggest Fuss over the smallest silliest thing that I have ever seen ....E V E R......Media has showed it in Slow Motion constantly to make it look worse too.
I recall seeing a clip with Geri Halliwell touching Prince Charles on the bottom back in the 90s, an Italian female reporter publicly attempting to grab David Beckham's crotch, and Katy Perry making unwanted advances by kissing a 19 year old contestant on the lips during America Idol, and who can forget the somewhat awkward Madonna kissing Drake on stage. Those instances seem so easily forgotten/ignored, yet whenever there's an allegation against men, even ignoring any context is labelled an abuser!
This has wipped out all the women's football team had achieved in one woke move 👏 😳 👍 people will not want to watch it now aftervthis nonsense 🙄 own goal girls 🙄
I've lived and worked in Spain, and people do not kiss you on the lips. Context being sexual or not is not the point. It's Left cheeck, right cheeck, but not on the LIPS
The kiss wasn’t the biggest issue. The RFEF’s treatment of Hermoso and the other Spanish players was the problem. The treatment of the Spanish players before this even happened is the issue. 15 Spanish players refused to play for the national team in September because of the RFEF’s treatment of them. 21 players refused to accept a call up for the nations league until there was a restructuring of the RFEF, they were called up anyway and threatened with suspension if they refused. They found out about their call up in the press conference no personal contact with players. It’s bigger than just a kiss
It's crazy how anyone tried to defend this. Would this ever be allowed in a workplace? Even in consentual relationships in a workplace, there are issues about appropriateness in the workplace, but this wasn't a consentual act. If your daughter was kissed on the lips by the CEO of her company in a non consentual way would you still be defending it? The power dynamics are also very inappropriate and maybe she might not have felt able to reject him in this moment. Even outside of a workplace, is it ever acceptable to kiss another person on the lips without consent? All she wants to do is play football for her country, why should she have to deal with this? I definitely don't want to have to worry about someone kissing me on the lips at work. Why would you not believe her? It looks inappropriate, she said she didn't like it, she was happy because she won the world cup, but it doesn't mean she wasn't also feeling violated and once the Joy of the win wore off, it's totally okay to be left in a bit of shock of the kiss when looking back.
In the workplace, there is nothing that even compares to the joy and effort that comes from winning something like this. Stop bowing to the mob and recognize real crime. This isn’t a real crime.
@@SixFour0391 Winning a £50 million contract, completing a multi-billion pound merger, winning a multi-billion licence deal...There's plenty I've been a part of that's as big if not bigger than this. Yet no men were forcibly kissing younger female staff - we just all went down the pub and had a drink together. The crime here was the harassment she suffered and his threats AFTER she said she didn't like the kiss because that was abuse of power.
@@tc6758 It was his way of celebrating. No malice was intended. Nor was he abusing his power. He was celebrating with his team. He was sharing in the moment. It’s also part of common Spanish culture to embrace someone like that. If you need more than 5 minutes to figure out if a crime or violence was committed, then it wasn’t. You don’t get to decide if something was violent, based on your mood of the day, days or weeks later. That’s cruel and unusual.
@@tc6758 And not everybody behaves the same way, though there are common styles of interaction. Just because you didn’t act a certain way, doesn’t mean that someone else won’t. While both are acceptable ways of behaving. And if this woman didn’t like it, she should have handled it like an adult and not a scared, manipulated little girl that needs other people to fight her everyday battles for her. Talk to him in private and request that he doesn’t interact with her like that again. No public shaming or retribution for an innocent display of happiness, joy and gratitude.
I didn’t see any signs of distress to that woman until she was got at. Women’s football will not survive because of this. They will not attract the good men mentors. What about the girls who are not gay being kissed by the women in the line up? Next scandal in my opinion.
If the captain hadn't had the support of the public she would have stayed quiet and internally processed it personally. But because she had the support and knew she wasn't going to lose her job she spoke honestly about how she felt. And the fact is if women feel supported they will speak up but for most of us we just keep quiet because we don't have support and it would go against us. And that's it!
He needs to step down, and his behaviour is absolutely UN F-ING ACCEPTABLE. If this is what he does in front of cameras, what is his behaviour in their day to day? Absolutely creepy, unacceptable and he should go. Let's all move on. He obviously shouldn't be criminally charged. One sudden kiss is trying and isn't assault yet.
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I don't think if Luis Rubiales was a woman and gave a kiss to a male team member when they became world champions nobody would be hurt or offended.
all day long - what a complete embarrassment for Spain Btw did they win the word cup ? i'd forgotten.
I agree, the rainbow union would almost certainly have leapt to their feet as one and applauded 'true love' between human beings if a woman had done that. 🙄
I totally agree with you on this one. They want to destroy men and give more to women.
If Rubiales had been a transgender, it would have been applauded.
Males footballers snog each other after a goal regularly. I've seen a goalscorer literally mobbed by hugs and kisses without complaining. Never mind claiming assault
Dont know why everybody is so annoyed, after the kiss she was smiling, so hardly upset, it was a heat of the moment thing, the way its been portrayed is digusting.
They are very good at convincing weak people that they are victims.
Yes, she was smiling and later she is shown in a jubilant state of mind on the bus. These women on the panel are right: it was not sexual in nature. It seems that any close contact between powerful men and women now risks being characterised as both sexual and unwelcome unless there is prior written consent.
I’m elderly, in my youth I’ve been kissed spontaneously about 6 times, I wouldn’t call it being assaulted, you just get caught up in the moment. Why make such a big thing of it, everyone is a victim nowadays.
My goodness if I totted up such moments in my life I'd need a long sheet of paper. I'm in my sixties now. I've had far worse happen and dealt with It . What's traumatising about it?
They are coming after manly men, I feel for young men now days, stuff dating women! its too dangerous ,
Because it is a boss. I'd have felt horrible if my boss had done that. The media has made a fuss. He should have apologised and said he'd learned from it, but he has chosen to step down rather than taking time to reconsider.
@@kirsteenniven5111 Me too!
Are you a Spaniard, Italian French etc. they kids one another a lot more than Anglo cultures
I can't even believe we're talking about this. A non-issue that was blown way out of proportion.
like so many other min-issues are these days.
Unbelievable to pay Rubiales more than 100.000€ to do the interview.
kinda boring
And if a exuberant female head goes on to kiss a male football player if they won the world cup, this supposed law will not apply. I can understand the hysteria if it was a woman at the back end, but law still don't and won't see the two genders as equal.
@@dotmanmide he could possibly be jailed for 2 years....worlds gone mad
"Proud Socialist" Went to private school and has likely never set foot in a socialist country.
Marxist
Play the ball, not the man. Gutless.
It was absolutely not a criminal act.
No, but what has followed in the subsequent 3 weeks definitely is criminal, and that is why the Spanish prosecutor has decided to prosecute that as a criminal offence. Learn to read.
@@johnmassey2980what’s criminal that’s happened in the following 3 weeks, Iv not followed this that closely.
@@bygoneera9521 Well, a public prosecutor (that is an official position, obviously) in the Spanish government *has* been following it closely, and she has applied to a judge for permission to charge him with criminal conduct over it. Which adds a really interesting dimension to why he decided (after refusing to resign for 20 days) to fly to London and announce his resignation to Piers Morgan, of all people. I could be wrong, but i don't see any connection between Morgan and Spanish football (aside from his attempt to stick his oar into something of which he understands next to nothing, I would guess). He's an Arsenal fan. When was the last time he attended a Barcelona F.C. match?
Criminal - no of course not. Damn stupid? absolutely moronic.
If that was criminal how does one classify child slavery which still barely gets a mention in the MSM😏.
Has anyone noticed that the 'progressive' feminists are driving us all towards a genuinely Victorian era approach to sexuality? Very very interesting.
Has anyone noticed 🙄
Feminists went around burning their bra going on about how they hate men
Whatever goes with Islam, I'm with it.
Whatever goes against it, I'm against.
I couldn't care less about the motivation
and why is that so bad?....
A world is being created were we should be afraid of women and these are dangerous grounds
That was the least sexual kiss I’ve ever seen 😂 And I bet he’ll never do that again. Learning moment NOT assault.
Oh come on , please .. it’s a match , they kiss everyone …. Life’s becoming so monotonous and miserable
It was funny, until they were told to be upset.
she didn't in anyway look upset
She’ll benefit financially I’m sure
@@stevo7163 make a fortune
@@stevo7163 probably settle out of court for a 7 figure sum
If her and her team mates weren't celebrating the kiss then I'd buy that she was offended. This is very much a case of forcing her to pretend to be offended for another fascist feminist agenda and for you media lot to have something to talk about
in the moments after the kiss she didn't in anyway look upset or offended
@@paulrichards6894not true...she said in the dressing rooms that she didn't like it at all...Rubiales doesn't kiss male players!!! He grabbed his balls ...his mum went on a pathetic hunger strike...he lied and made it all about HIM !!! He doesn't deserve to represent Spain !!!
@@fay5479what part of in the moments after is tripping you up??
@@paulrichards6894 I live in Spain...if he had said SORRY, it would have finished, but he didn't...he pressured her to lie, he lied, he used his daughters, his mum, then blamed Jenni...he really messed up!
@@fay5479 she didnt look in any way offended or upset.....that came later when friends \agents told her about the £££ she could make.....google the photo of her kissing her brother on the lips.....that is deeply disturbing
I am a survivor of Domestic Violence and she is NOT A VICTIM 💯
This is just all media bs 🤦🏻♀️
Why should he apologise???
What the hell did he do wrong??
There was ZERO sexuality around it 💯
If the bird can't handle that then get out of the club!!
This is football for crying out loud and it's majority a lads game, if you can't take something like that which again was just like a Father kissing his daughter, then she needs to not be doing this sport 🤷🏻♀️
If she felt that bad about it then she should have made it clearer then and there
Totally agree. And thank you!
If you really are a survivor of DV then you should have a bit more empathy for a young woman saying she didn't like how she was treated. But no, you exhibit your own internalised misogyny. She is not a bird, she's a young woman. She's also doesn't have to agree to be forcibly kissed in order to play football. And this isn't "a majority lads [sic] game", it was the apex of women's football - nothing to do with men. And finally I don't know what your father did to you, but if my father had kissed me like that it would most definitely not be okay. And for the record I'm a DV survivor and Latin and no this isn't a cultural thing either.
@@tc6758 Violence and an uncomfortable situation aren’t even close to comparable. Stop trying.
I agree with @tc6758, that survivors of sexual assault should have a bit more empathy. Personally, I would not like any man or woman grabbing my head in a vice-like grip and planting a kiss on my lips. I don't think he meant anything sexual, and I think he was just carried away in the excitement of the moment. I feel the outcome would have been different if he'd apologised immediately, acknowledged that women can feel uncomfortable with that type of interaction, assured people that he'd learned from it, and made a sincere apology to the woman. Claiming that there was consent is problematic under the circumstances. If he was acting on the advice of a legal team it is them who should be sacked.
As a survivor of child sex abuse, I say that she’s is a victim of it’s how she feels. Who are you to decide who is a victim and who is not? You need to learn humility and empathy.
Absolutely blown out of proportion.
Totally Ridiculous, is what this scenario is, Feminism at its worst. I, as a woman am sick to death of these types of women always moaning and being derisive about men. They certainly do not represent any women l know?😮 Its all gone too far!!! He made a mistake as many of us do at times, with an over zealous show of affection, which was at the worst a stupid thing to do, obviously as the result has lost him his job, apart from all the abuse he is getting.😮
His behavior afterward is the kicker for me. I think only the person affected should have the final word. It doesn’t matter if you weren’t offended.
Unbelievable can't believe he's lost his job over something like this pathetic.
Credit to the whole panel. All coming from different perspectives, but listening to, and respectfully disagreeing and debating with each other so we can all do the mental gymnastics and work out right from wrong. Really useful conversation.
The footage from the team coach after where they're all laughing and joking about it is damning, Hermoso showing teammates memes about it whilst smiling, then when Rubiales gets on the coach they all start chanting "Beso! Beso!" which means "Kiss! Kiss!", and Hermoso jokingly asks if she can have another one to which Rubiales replies laughing "Stop it you're making me blush!"
Only afterwards when the agenda drivers took it and ran and the woke monster stirred from it's slumber like Cthulhu did they have a problem with it, probably because they realised they could make money from the story by becoming professional victims.
Yes, that sounds about right. It would appear that others were far more offended than her and that has been picked up on and I think she felt pressured into making a complaint. Did she honestly ask him for another one? Where did you see that?
Wouldn't it be a sad irony if the main problem was that members of that community were worried that she might have been having a change of heart regarding her total rejection of all males ... ??
Holy crap! That was what went down afterwards?!? Well in that case, 100% he should not have resigned. That Hermoso is quite malicious then .. she has cynically turned the whole thing around and used it to get him fired and (presumably) make money!
Someone makes a silly mistake caught up in the moment and in typical fashion with thrse modern times he's demonised and thrown under the bus. If a Woman done that to a man no one would give a toss
Modern feminists are ruining the white people. Marriages and birth rates are down and white men just can't be bothered with the hassle anymore.
Stop screwing over good men.
If a conversation was needed, it should have been done privately between the two of them.
This was not a crime against the woman or indeed society at large.
This was a celebratory kiss after accomplishing a huge feat in a culture that commonly shows affection to and for one another.
An act of violence, it was not. An act if sexual assault, it was not. Stop pretending that it was. To do so, is a disgrace to all those who genuinely experience one or both of them.
Agree .
but you know it is much easyer to focus on the "little" things because it does not require them to do anything about it.....
@@MammusaEinki Who’s “focusing” and who’s “them”?
Lesson learned: if you are a male in a senior role in ANY business, don’t employ any woman in any role under any circumstances… it’s simply not worth it
Yeap!
Better still just do your job don't up the women or plant a kiss.
It will be difficult to organise a women's world cup without any women being involved.
Sounds like an ordinary world cup with hairy arsed blokes.
You can hire them just don’t socialize with them. But then you’ll probably get in trouble for ignoring them and not making them feel valued. You have to learn to socialize robotically.
Let me guess, you're a Muslim...
There’s a middle ground here where you can’t just go round kissing someone like he did but there was no malicious intent
I stole some milk from my local but there was no malicious intent👍
@@PeaceMatters5 lets be honest that isn't the same as stealing is agaibst the law regardless of maliciousness. I'll be honest to not knowing the specifics of what is/isn't classed as sexual assault under the law. But if you are able to wxplain that would be a muxh more helpful comment
@@stephenremnant8151 Funny how men are so intelligent up until the point of knowing what sexual assault is where you want to play dumb😂. I'll give you a clue if you abruptly impose(man handled a person) put your gross mouth on someone's lips without consent/permission especially obviously not romantically involved that is assault. Fun fact - Up until 1990s it was legal to rape your wife so we have a long way to go with this.
@@stephenremnant8151 under Spanish law you can't kiss someone on the lips without consent regardless of context or intent.. It's called 'Solo si es sí' and it was introduced as a result of La Manada case.
@@Animalistic9 thanks for letting me know that's really helpful. In that case then it's shocking he wasn't sacked and charged much sooner
What about the woman to randomly grabbed the King and kissed him on the cheek that week during national mourning last year when he was greeting the crowds outside the palace? Should she be held accountable? No. She was caught up in the moment and overcome with emotion. As was Rubiales.
There is a difference between a peck on the cheek and a full blown snug 😂 that’s just disgusting
She didn’t grab Charles‘s head in her hand and kissed him on the lips, did she?
he still didnt give his permission did she ask did he mind she and the others were having a laugh about it on the team bus and when he got on he said i am embarrased they were shouting kiss kiss and laughing including the girl that was kissed dont make out that women cant be as bad towards men i have seen it but that ok@@elisemcuk9808
A kiss on the lips is personal and intimate . A kiss on the cheek is not , as long as the hands are not in inappropriate places . My father had an older relative who used to kiss every female with a hard smack on the lips and we all hated it , including 13 year old me and my 40 year old mother . He loved when streakers did there thing at the cricket and saw Hair , three times . Yuk !
@@BlackStump172 eww what a pervert
If England won the Men’s World Cup and the FA head was female and gave Kane a quick lip kiss would the reaction have been the same ??
no probably not if she threw a man over her shoulder we would be good for her
Exactly
Men haven’t had to fight for anything…not the right to vote, not for equal pay, not to be treated with respect. You can’t compare the two scenarios. That’s ridiculous. No one in a position of power should test their employees personal boundaries. This guy has a history of lewd and offensive behavior. Sounded like he needed to be called out.
If the genders were reversed ie if she kissed him we would never have heard anything about this.
Perhaps one day we will indeed achieve gender equality but this will certainly not be anytime soon.
i don't think gender equality is anything to strive for.
feminism is anti-gender equality. just keep that in mind@@MammusaEinki
As the late Errol Brown sang, "It started with a kiss, never thought it would come to this!"
Am never going to hold a door open for a lady anymore, she may think am trying to get into her knickers. Never going to stop for a lady with a flat car tire. Any action of kindness or good manners will eventually become offensive.
yep
I'm a women and I have to say It sucks U feel like that because it's women like that who ruins it for the good ones that are still left out there ,all these Karens piss me to .
@@kyammarsh8324 I love nothing more than been a gentleman to any woman, but it's always in the back of my mind over the last couple of years wether or not to approach them fearing that I may offend her especially after watching this video. A good example was last Friday night I could see a lady putting engine oil in her car, she may have been ok doing it and most probably was ,but normally I would have gone over to her just to make sure everything was ok. I thought no just go it's not worth.
@@Rob-eg8qc I get you, and you are right. But, you were never going to grab a woman's head with both hands and plant a kiss on her lips without making sure that is what she wanted, were you? Especially as you are a "gentleman". But yes, the reaction to the Rubiales kiss is a massive over reaction - it was a moment of high celebration and Rubiales forgot how to conduct himself in the moment. It wasn't sexual, he wasn't flexing his power, it was just celebration - obviously. An apology, with a minor reprimand should have been enough. And the actions of Hermoso on the bus afterwards show just how cynical the fauz outrage is.
You are comparing holding a door for a woman to a boss kissing an employee at work? Now that is blowing something out of proportion.
If Rubiales had immediately apologised for what he did, saying that he was caught up in the moment, it is quite likely that he would have kept his job and the matter would have blown over. However he turned the whole matter into being about him, not about the woman. Unfortunately what he did has overshadowed the victory of the Spanish women in the World Cup.
Couldn’t she also have taken this approach instead of ruining his career? Yeah I was a little taken back however we did just win the World Cup so understandable the emotion just got the better of him. No big deal!
sure they wanted him out and got him out he said on the bus while the women were laughing that he was embarrassed or did you miss that convenient that not brought up it was at the moment thing and they all seemed to find it funny and were winding him up
Nah; the moment he apologised it wouldn't have made a difference, an apology is admission of guilt and wrong-doing, this would not have changed the outcome. secondly, this was only an issue when everyone else took issue with it, there was not an immediate outcry from the Spanish player; because she knew exactly what it was. Kissing etiquette, and Spain greet and congratulate in this way, sure it's usually on the cheek.. but i doubt she feels he was so in the wrong; that he lost his position; and deserves 2 years in jail?
so is this how we decide whether he truly did wrong or not?
I hate modern society
Yeah, I'm glad I'm not young now. Life was much more straightforward in my day. We knew how to deal with unwanted advances without any drama. Not that this was an advance, just a spontaneous display of celebration.
@@flygrace Yeah, what happened to women being strong and just saying, "Hey...come on now!" or brushing it off? Modern women are so weak and are causing the downfall of white society! Men just can't be bothered with them anymore!
Nothing was mentioned directly after this; it got blown up online and what not, then it became an issue and the individual in question that got kissed ran with it.. there is nothing here.
With what's going on in the world,all you have to worry about a kiss,what's wrong with the world
I don't know if Hermoso is gay but , if she is, and she'd been kissed on the lips by a female official would there be the same furore ?
No. Of course there wouldn't.
I completely believe he got caught up in the moment, and I don’t think there was any sexual intent HOWEVER if I did something well in work and my CEO gave me a kiss, it would be completely inappropriate and I definitely would not be ok with it. Even the thought of it turns my stomach 🤢
Agreed! But there's a huge difference between winning a cup final and a regular office job. Totally different environments and they cant be compared.
People are blowing it out of proportion.
I agree. Neither would I. How did she know he didn't have a cold sore? Or vice versa?
What a stupid thing to say. What if I grabbed my testicles in the office - would that be OK?@@majinraptor
Well, “gave a kiss” is a bit imprecise. In my country it is / it was customary to give 2 kisses on the cheek either man to woman, woman to woman, woman to men.
Kiss on the mouth of course is not customary between friends and acquaintances, or in professional settings. So case this ever happened a CEO kissing someone in the mouth, of course one would expect an apology, and, apology or no apology the normal course of action would be report the incident to HR.
My opinion, demanding immediate resignation of CEO, or accusing CEO of sexual assault (over a kiss), is not the correct way of procedure. If the CEO do have a history of similar misconduct then that’s another matter, but it’s HR to act, the firms legal system, if all these fails externals entities like police.
What if your CEO was Brad Pitt? You be ok with it then?
This guy did not assault her and did nothing wrong. Makes me sick. Lost his job over nothing. He was excited and showed pure love.
Spoken like a true sex offender. Most people would agree it was wrong and inappropriate. It is wrong but not a crime. He lost his job and that should be enough.
@@gdotace wow the audacity to call me a sex offender. Your scum and lack any form of class. My opinion is just that mine. Continue down the woke path society is such a better place now. Make sure you get consent to kiss your kids before bedtime because we are heading down that road. Wake up before it’s too late. Shaming language you used is exactly the theatrics the media loves. Stay on the left I’ll gladly stay on the right. My wife supports my opinion and I’m a loving father and husband. This was over blown and an apology could suffice. Have you won a World Cup and had the same feeling of elation as this gentlemen that kissed and hugged all the ladies on his team. He simply kissed her on the lips out of pure happiness and passion. Why is an apology not enough. Take his career and reputation. Do some background research on this guy never did anything wrong prior. Where is the compassion and forgiveness. Hope you don’t ever make a mistake in your pitiful excuse of existence.
All this backlash does is just make women look like crybabies and helpless little girls. Mens' footballers are kissing and hugging and rolling on the ground together and their coaches are often kissing them on the lips etc. Move on. She is not a victim.
I remember people giving out about david Beckham kissing his daughter the world gone mad it should just be between the player and the president to sort it out even myself have seen people interfering into things and stirring the pot
The devil speaks. Lady was not offended but outsiders were offended and pressured her to be offended
I remember watching Top of the Pops years ago as a child when it was live. There was an incident on there and I could sense, almost immediately, that the woman who had been touched by the DJ was not comfortable with it at all and that something seriously bad had just happened. I have tried to do a comparison between that and what happened after the World Cup Final. Far from being offended or upset by it the player appeared to just go with the mood at the time. I think it should be pointed out that many strangers do actually kiss each other on the lips at New Year. It's not unpleasant at all if both parties are ok with it.
Did that incident at the WC honestly bear any resemblance to the assault that I saw years ago? No, it didn't.
What has really irritated me about this saga is that I believe that the player, Jenny, was actually told, in no uncertain terms, that she should have absolutely hated it! Would that have been a jealous partner, one wonders? Or perhaps other players/supporters who have openly declared that they are only interested in same sex relationships forsaking all men in the process?
The way this snowballed was utterly sickening. It became a psychological battle ground for something far too close to a terrorist mob baying for blood because a straight male had the audacity to kiss one of the 'other side' .... ??
You would appear to have a case of a heterosexual man having his career ruined as an appeasement and currently, you would also appear to have women and girls being hated on by people who are most likely not heterosexuals (and their whims being pandered to) to the extent of it now being suggested that >> the words woman or girl are cancelled
FYI. TOTP was never live
Fuck reading all that 😂
Although i agree the way the girls behave towards it on the bus weakens the argument, she was recorded immediately after saying she 'didn't like it but what could she do', it is also possible to hold multiple emotions at any one time.
Everybody conveniently overlooks that Rubiales & the Spanish FA fabricated a statement on Hermoso's behalf which is just straight up fraudulent.
@@NapoleonicWargaming So why was that assault left in? I find that extraordinary and I always believed that was the only reason it was shown because it would have been difficult to edit it out. When I say live I mean when the groups used to actually play the tracks live rather than a pre-recorded track, i.e. "5 Aug 2019 · Yes, there had been live performances before - New Order were the first to go fully live when they sang Blue Monday in 1983" (The Guardian).
@@Animalistic9 What you may well be dealing with is the player and other team mates seeing the replay of that and a gradual realisation amongst them that it actually looks wrong >> if she has a female partner
She was fine about it until the media created the story, then her story changed
The main lesson is don't employ a single women if u own a small or medium business
seems very risky
Large business safe?!
Louis should just say hes a woman it will all be fine 😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
If he had kissed a male player and the player came out and said he was offended by the kiss he would be called homophobic by this PC brigade
Years from now....we won't be able to smile at anyone,hug,show affections.....the government will have us all tagged and given an 'electric shock' for non conformance!! The world is going mad!!!!!!!!!! 😮😮😮
Nottingham had this thing not too many years ago that if you looked at a woman for more than thirty seconds it was considered unwanted and misogynist and could have you arrested! I don't know if that has changed! White men have had enough and birth rates for whites is down as well as marriages. Modern feminists are causing the downfall of the white population. Irony is, try telling these moral standards to the influx of migrants and see how far that goes! Just look at Sweden!
So all the girl on girl kissing was ok, a man in an euphoric state of mind after his team have just won the world cup kissing one of his team is demonised, really...!!!
BLOWN COMPLETELY OUT OF PROPORTION!!! 🤔🤔🤔
Man kisses woman. That can't be allowed in this current dystopia. However a man kissing a man or a woman kissing a woman seems to be fine.
Not without consent. Keep up 🥴👍
@@dombrown-tz3zu So for the women kissing each other at the win, where's the written permission in advance?
PS. Not that the left care about consent for the peasants.
exactly - if he kissed another man we would be celebrating his "diversity" - anyone remember Gazza's big snog?
The mouth-to-mouth contact was a split second. It was hardly a snog, more of a mwah.
@@linesided That's why he should have stood his ground. All those players kissing each other. Everyone called as a witness.
Did you have prior written consent to be kissed?
Er No.
Thank you. No more questions....
Repeat and rinse
Whoever the troublemaker is who stirred this up has poisoned the achievement of the Spanish team.
Yes, it now seems women’s football is more about feminist activism than the game itself, what a disappointment and this turns me off the women’s game.
Started out with a kiss, how did it end up like this. It was only a kiss, it was only a kiss 😂😂
Well done, you!! Reading it, it actually had the tune! Hahahaahaaha
If the roles changed an the girl kissed the male would we be saying the same?
He "smacked" her on the lips, hardly real kiss worth all the fuss.
He asked her if he could kiss her and she said yes. This has blown out of proportion to match the feminist agenda.
He shouldn’t have done it… he should have apologised…. But this is a complete over the top reaction from everyone…
If your daughter was kissed like this in the circumstances , would you deem it sexual assault ?…. I certainly would not …
I've watched womens football for years. After this , I will never watch it again.all it seems to be now is a bunch of angry lesbians with huge chips on their shoulders trying to cash in
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It wasn't anything so where the hell does SEXUAL COME IN NEVERMIND "VERY"....... PEOPLE YOU JUST GROW UP. OML
If that was a woman who kissed the male players, there would be no issue...
Blonde girl: it’s not about criminalising intentions, that’s not how the law works
Following sentence from blonde girl: it’s about power, men believing they have power over women’s bodies.
So really, it’s not about the action for you? It’s sounds like you’re speculating about intentions
Something being made out of nothing and ruining a man
It is just a man being ruinid - so what does it matter? 😉😉🤫🤫😝😝😒😒🤨🤨😪😪🤔🤔🤨🤨 --> some of my feelings about it all.
Thanks to people like the lady in the yellow jacket, I refuse to help women in need. I live in an area where it gets very cold in the winter. A few winters ago a girl's (late 20s early 30s) car had broken down on a rural road and it was very cold outside. She tried to flag me down, so I could give her a ride or help her in some way, but I didn't stop. I kept going because I would hate for her to say I did something I didn't. It's happened. I've seen it happen and I'm not going to put myself in a position to allow that to happen to me. They think they're helping themselves by blaming men for something they didn't do or blowing something out of proportion, but they're only hurting themselves. I will never help a women in need for fear of being falsely accused and going to jail for something I didn't do. They can call me a coward or whatever they want for not helping but that's ok. I would rather be a free coward than an innocent person in jail.
My own take is, it's indecent, not criminal & I remember other outlets stating he apologised but the manner in which he did, didn't sit well with some, hence, the further brouhaha.
But overall, I think the justice systems of the world need to review & brainstorm how to persecute sexual cases, (especially that of Spain) & we as people need to rethink the fallouts cases like these can cause & we contribute too.
As for the Spanish FA, the fact that they were willing to use pre-WC events in this issue with heads rolling says a lot about their petty & highly politicised behaviour.
Overall, I feel for Rubiales & I'm afraid for my gender.
It was not sexual assault
That’s a lie
He should have stood there miserable and not even shaken hands with them , they would have all been on the bus moaning about him then .
Thank you Piers for bringing reasonable women on your show
We should rally for him to get his job back!!! A stupid girl with man issues sees this as an assault/sex crime…. And instigates the worries cause she never got hugs from daddy
Oh for cry out loud it was a kiss closed mouth it was a Peck that’s not considered sexual assault what is wrong with you people. I know it’s sexual assault is because I’ve had it done to me that’s not sexual assault
Is it a crime to kiss someone? The worlds has gone MAD. Obviously, it was unwise, but to crucify him? Disappointed in the footballer joining in - she looked very happy on that team bus.
If it was another woman who kissed her she wouldn't have said nothing
i’m sick of whinging women get a life
there was nothing wrong
If you watch the video, she is hugging him and after the kiss is smiling, now she can see the possibility of some money.
A kiss on the hand is apprechiation a face grab and smack on the lips is dominance and ownership, an attitude theyve had issues with for some time. His feelings and self deluded intentions arent as important as his impact. This is the very point Poers majes about climate activists aswell. Intention means zero if the impact is the opposite
its a culture thing, i dated a Portuguese/ Angolan girl and her family were always kissing my cheeks to greet me
The intention was to celebrate his country winning the world cup. Was nothing to do with domination. I think you're getting confused
I think his mum is going to spend the rest of her like being very hungry.
Good😂
Does this mean that kissing between men will now be banned on the football pitch?
Remember how the England female team turned into a bunch of Hooligans after they one Euros (shouting screaming, jumping on desks uninvited etc) Seems to be one rule for them.
"I'm so happy I could kiss you!" Is now cancelled.
she kissed him at the same time as he kissed her, that's why it appeared consensual !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
Destroy a man's life over something so trivial. If women aren't careful, they'll all be growing old alone.
Truth is we don't need them
After a controversial change in Spanish law , any touching without consent, including kissing,is considered sexual assault. She did not give consent, she was overwhelmed by the moment and could not react. In Spanish culture, kissing on the lips is reserved for romantic relationships-wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend -but not even family would kiss on the lips, it is only usual to hug, shake hands and hug.
Rubiales, whether overwhelmed with joy or not, he took a liberty, that even in his culture is not acceptable!!! He broke the law!!!
Rubiales just should have said, that he identified as a woman in that kissing moment...
Where is this full interview with Pierce and Rubiales?
All I see on Pierce’s TH-cam channel, is just a short 3 minute video interview.
I just think too much has been made of this I agree it wasn't the best thing he could have done but I think he just got over excited
That bird in the yellow is mad. Imagine being involved with her.
This is all rubbish,not sexual at all,in front of thousands of people Rubiales was euphoric because of the victory he was caught in the moment.and it’s just a smack.
😂 Even after issuing a statement, people still felt his apology was not heartfelt or sorry enough. My god
It is football. Players are always jumping all over each other!
Contrary to the "Proud Socalist" is the "Proud Conservative", as it is noted that he has not set foot in a Conservative dictatorial country, such as Nazi Germany, Pinochet's Chile, the Argentina of the Military Junta, Uruguay, Petain's France, the Musolini's Italy, and Franco's Spain.
I have set foot in a country like Sweden with a long social democratic tradition and Sweden is the envy of many citizens of countries with a conservative tradition.
I have never voted for a socialist or communist party, but I have been educated to respect the opponent, because not everything is good or bad.
Respect is the key word
Mafia Bosses used to kiss on the lips.
Brothers who have not seen each other for long time can kiss . There some countries is where men kissing men during celebrations do kiss.
And this does not make them gay.
Way to take away the achievement of the other 10 players
Me,me,me
Haven't you forgotten in the same situation... euforia ,men kiss other men and nothing happens but here it was political convenience check who start this and why is a very good distraction of something more important that is going on in Spanish politics, besides it is crazy to call sexual assault a kiss is to diminish the real assault, it is a shame ,lately everything is out of context, if i was Jennifer hermoso i will be ashamed to let them used me in this way
This has been the Biggest Fuss over the smallest silliest thing that I have ever seen ....E V E R......Media has showed it in Slow Motion constantly to make it look worse too.
I recall seeing a clip with Geri Halliwell touching Prince Charles on the bottom back in the 90s, an Italian female reporter publicly attempting to grab David Beckham's crotch, and Katy Perry making unwanted advances by kissing a 19 year old contestant on the lips during America Idol, and who can forget the somewhat awkward Madonna kissing Drake on stage. Those instances seem so easily forgotten/ignored, yet whenever there's an allegation against men, even ignoring any context is labelled an abuser!
The footballer has tainted the worlds women football.
I wonder if the players hugged and kissed each other when the final whistle blew - and if so did they all get permission first?
This has wipped out all the women's football team had achieved in one woke move 👏 😳 👍 people will not want to watch it now aftervthis nonsense 🙄 own goal girls 🙄
I've lived and worked in Spain, and people do not kiss you on the lips. Context being sexual or not is not the point. It's Left cheeck, right cheeck, but not on the LIPS
The kiss wasn’t the biggest issue. The RFEF’s treatment of Hermoso and the other Spanish players was the problem. The treatment of the Spanish players before this even happened is the issue. 15 Spanish players refused to play for the national team in September because of the RFEF’s treatment of them. 21 players refused to accept a call up for the nations league until there was a restructuring of the RFEF, they were called up anyway and threatened with suspension if they refused. They found out about their call up in the press conference no personal contact with players. It’s bigger than just a kiss
I bet Rubiales wishes England had won ! 😂
It's crazy how anyone tried to defend this. Would this ever be allowed in a workplace? Even in consentual relationships in a workplace, there are issues about appropriateness in the workplace, but this wasn't a consentual act. If your daughter was kissed on the lips by the CEO of her company in a non consentual way would you still be defending it? The power dynamics are also very inappropriate and maybe she might not have felt able to reject him in this moment.
Even outside of a workplace, is it ever acceptable to kiss another person on the lips without consent? All she wants to do is play football for her country, why should she have to deal with this? I definitely don't want to have to worry about someone kissing me on the lips at work. Why would you not believe her?
It looks inappropriate, she said she didn't like it, she was happy because she won the world cup, but it doesn't mean she wasn't also feeling violated and once the Joy of the win wore off, it's totally okay to be left in a bit of shock of the kiss when looking back.
In the workplace, there is nothing that even compares to the joy and effort that comes from winning something like this.
Stop bowing to the mob and recognize real crime. This isn’t a real crime.
@@SixFour0391 Winning a £50 million contract, completing a multi-billion pound merger, winning a multi-billion licence deal...There's plenty I've been a part of that's as big if not bigger than this. Yet no men were forcibly kissing younger female staff - we just all went down the pub and had a drink together. The crime here was the harassment she suffered and his threats AFTER she said she didn't like the kiss because that was abuse of power.
@@tc6758 It was his way of celebrating. No malice was intended. Nor was he abusing his power. He was celebrating with his team. He was sharing in the moment. It’s also part of common Spanish culture to embrace someone like that.
If you need more than 5 minutes to figure out if a crime or violence was committed, then it wasn’t. You don’t get to decide if something was violent, based on your mood of the day, days or weeks later. That’s cruel and unusual.
@@tc6758 And not everybody behaves the same way, though there are common styles of interaction.
Just because you didn’t act a certain way, doesn’t mean that someone else won’t. While both are acceptable ways of behaving.
And if this woman didn’t like it, she should have handled it like an adult and not a scared, manipulated little girl that needs other people to fight her everyday battles for her.
Talk to him in private and request that he doesn’t interact with her like that again. No public shaming or retribution for an innocent display of happiness, joy and gratitude.
I didn’t see any signs of distress to that woman until she was got at. Women’s football will not survive because of this. They will not attract the good men mentors. What about the girls who are not gay being kissed by the women in the line up? Next scandal in my opinion.
Isn't this the way sports people behave? After all this blow over, she may very well come out and change her story. Many times they do.
it was not a snog on the lips, and it was not sexual. it was celebratory.
If the captain hadn't had the support of the public she would have stayed quiet and internally processed it personally. But because she had the support and knew she wasn't going to lose her job she spoke honestly about how she felt. And the fact is if women feel supported they will speak up but for most of us we just keep quiet because we don't have support and it would go against us. And that's it!
Militant feminists are no "support" - they play such a case strategically and without any respect to the individual context.
I wonder why men are turning their backs on women.
He needs to step down, and his behaviour is absolutely UN F-ING ACCEPTABLE. If this is what he does in front of cameras, what is his behaviour in their day to day? Absolutely creepy, unacceptable and he should go. Let's all move on. He obviously shouldn't be criminally charged. One sudden kiss is trying and isn't assault yet.