24X48 Tile Floor Installation (TUTORIAL)
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- Large Format porcelain tiles are becoming popular because of their style and less grout. These 24x48 tiles create a modern, durable, and easy to clean floor surface. Many considerations need to be made when installing 24x48 tiles or other large format tiles. It is necessary to do floor prep before hand which may include; grinding high spots; filling low spots with a patching compound or self leveling underlayment (SLU); and/or crack isolation membrane. It is imperative to start with a flat surface within TCNA recommendations of no deviance greater than 1/4" in a 10' span. The proper thinset should be selected, preferably one that is rated for Large Format Tile (LFT) or Large Heavy Tile (LHT). We prefer Custom Building Products Prolite or Laticrete LHT.
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I use glazing suction cups. Don’t use the cheap box store suction cups or you will go through a lot of breakage
Hi TILECOACH
Do you have a video cutting these tiles? If so, please tell me where it is & what tools you used
Thank you 😊
Hey buddy how much should I charge for installing larger format tiles such as 23x47 or 24x36 or 60x60 ty in advance
When you use clips a good way to organize them is go to home depot and in the cleaning aisle they sell a red bucket that is divided in 2 sides. So you can put clips and wedges in the same bucket while keeping them separated.
I love those buckets! We bought a few for our cleaning business.
Or use construction screw containers. But i guys having one box could be cool, but i need a full box of wedges alone, so that would have to be a big container youre talking about
I built a little roll around cart for mine.
Love those buckets. Have 2 of em
i just use a pc of cardboard to separate my bucket
I’ve been following you for a while now. I’ve been a tile setter for 32 years. 15 years in the union and the rest in my own company. All commercial work. I love your passion for the trade. Your a true artist. In my opinion our trade is the most rewarding at the end of The project.
I always back butter with the smooth side of the trowel, with running the ridges along the length of the tile you are creating lots of small air pockets with the ridges running the opposite way on the floor. Also before you bed the tile, put the clips under the edge closest to you. This stops it pushing all the thinset out (if you use a vibration thumper) and slows you to come back to the job the next day and still use clips. Great video and good work.
That's a squeaky clean tiler right there.
My trousers stand up on their own!😂
You are so humble. Can really tell this is your passion. Great work!
I woulda loved having this guy as my journeyman. The guys I work with are so easily fired up. Feel like one of these days they are gonna have a grabber
I find using suction cups really aid in the setting of large tiles. You can just ease them right into place.
Great tip! We usually use them.
@@zlmdragon. not for something that doesn't move....
Great video. About 6 months ago did 12 by 24 and even it was so much harder then 12 by 12. Love the clips. Will never do without clips.
I literally got a tile project few days ago to do a floor in the kitchen. And your video helped a lot to strengthen my skills and knowledge. Thanks for the video.
Great to see a video Isaac. Thank you agin for our conversation, I’m well on my way to starting my business here in Kentucky.
That is massive house. I do enjoy watching your videos and have learnt a great deal from doing so. I have never used that self leveling stuff though. Most of my clients are low budget.
I found a very cool use for these 2x4 tiles. They make great looking and cheep vanity tops. I put a vessel sink on them and instead of paying $250 for a quartz top, I spend about $36 on a very cool looking single tile.
Yea me too bro check out Schleuter rondec step profile for counter tops you will love that too !
I used a spare 12x24" porcelain tile to make a top for an old oak fish tank cabinet. Looks great and it cost me 2.39$!
@@Lukesh30253 Oh hey, I have used Schleuter edges for tile work in showers and back splashes, but didn't know they had full width edging for counter tops. Thanks for that!
hello, appreciate your videos. I am actually a carpenter (old guy, curious, obsessive nature) have watched a lot of videos about showers, but wanted to comment on a recent video so you would read it. lol. what took a long time to realize (and to me, should of been easier) is that there are 2 types of shower drain, pre-slope, pan drainage/surface drain and then surface drain only. the difference in mud/mortar mixes was confusing also. you did call out fat mud and deck mud but it was difficult to know what that meant. deck mud needs to be water permeable. (your pre-slope test is excellent for showing how that is supposed to work. I feel that alot of folks may not be using a mortar bed that would allow water to flow thru as well as yours did. doing a search for the correct mortar is difficult unless one can get the exact type, brand you show. Getting this wrong (not draining quickly enough) would also create problems if wall board runs down into pan. (wicking up wall board) I am sure alot of products that are used for dry packing pans would hold water for hours not the cpl min yours did.
your trade (tile setters) seem to be behind builders in the science of water protection. We spent years going back and forth as to how to seal rain water out of the building only to realize that by making it so tight we created a different problem (water vapor) coming from the inside. there is alot of water vapor created in a bathroom and no mention of how it is being mitigated. There are usually no vapor barriers in interior walls and bathrooms have a difference in temp/humidity from the rest of the house so condensation can happen within the walls, capturing/collecting water when it hits your waterproof systems.
Thanks for this video! I was just looking into installing 12”x60” plank and this is a perfect video for me to watch
Getting ready to start my first tile job ever on our master bathroom. I have benefitted from quite a few of your videos (custom shower pan & quick leveler) to get me to this point. Thank you Isaac, Pretty sure I couldn't have done it without your videos.. You are my TileCoach!
How did your bathroom turn out?
from a trainer instructor of trades in masonry well done
to all diy-ers, if your leveling clip breaks, pull the tile and replace it… Just because Isaac can get away without one does not mean we can… 😅 Lesson learned last night when tiling around a soaking tub. I now have a corner sticking out a little. it was not doing so at first, only discovered it a couple hours later when inspecting that row on all three walls. ahem 😞
tiling around this soaking tub is the hardest thing I’ve ever done. i’ve done floors and backsplash, easy peasy. With a soaking tub, there’s no cabinets above to hide imperfections.
These walls are so unplumb and no matter how much I tried to pre-level for the two rows of 12 x 204s, it’s still not perfect. Huge respect to these guys. I would never try to tile a shower… And I’m very meticulous, and a perfectionist. 🙃
I really enjoy your videos I grew up in the hot mop business Southern California helping my dad started doing tile around 2010 since hot mop and tile go hand to hand I do more shower than anything else old school hot mop black paper diamond lath and cement float nice work you do
5:03 I’d Watch that video. Better than what’s on TV now, imo😉
Could sit here and watch you install the entire house, as long as I’m not in a jobsite installing myself, that is, lol.
That house looks great, and loved that bathroom install. Layout, tile, color, all just works👍🏻
Have a good one Isaac and Crew✌🏻
I wish I had a boss like you!! Get a lot of inspiration from you!!
If every boss was like Issac, this world probably would not have half the problems it has.
Bruh looks like a total gangsta, but he is quite a good speaker and explains things so well. I watch a lot of vids, and this has got to be one of the best I have watched. I wish I can hire his team, but he in Cali.
We just finish installing 3 levels of 24x48 tile in a condo house with hardibacker and I’m fucken tired afff! 12hr shift just to get this house done in yorbalinda 💪
Good job bro, hard work pays off!
Found your channel last week and have really enjoyed your “Coaching”. I’m not a Tile Guy, just a lot of general upgrade and repair work. I’ve really enjoyed watching several of your videos, where you explain the reasons for the failure(s)... whether it’s due to material choice, installation method, or simple lack of experience.
Yesterday I watched your diagnosis of the WEDI shower FAILURE, and the Supermarket FLOOR FAILING… very informative. Then I watched your call with Sal, back in April 2019. One of the comments you made to Sal was that, many of your “Failure Videos” seem to get more views than the instructional videos.
The major reason I began watching your videos was because of the honesty, integrity, and skills that you share with your viewers. I can find hundreds of videos on “How To”… where 90% are either copying someone else, or worse, they’re using incorrect methods; on the other hand, your content contains a balanced mixture of teaching, coaching, testing, insider information, mistakes, and diagnoses of failures.
I watch “Failure Videos” for their training value, and I’m sure your viewers/subscribers do the same… thanks for providing balanced content.
highly informative w/ great instructions. thanks a million.
I have these exact tiles on my fireplace wall all the way to the ceiling. They’re beautiful
We have been installing 24 x 48 for years here in Florida. I have also done 48 x 48 , 48 x 129 , 30 x 60. My tile cutters are huge.
Its not the size of the cutter that matters, its how you use it. Hahaha
@@bdenney9443 no greater truth than that!! XD
Mud set in Florida. No self leveller needed.
@@E39M5SPEED Mud set isn't a recognized installation method. Although we do it all the time. Its slower and more time consuming than using a self leveling underlayment.Also coverage is always a concern not to mention raising the floor which can cause a host of issues.
@@1surfercross We did a job in sunny isles in Regalia, the overall surface had a change of 3-4” ! Across the entire floor of the condo. In order to use self leveller we would literally have had to use hundreds more of leveller bags which would be very costly. Why isn’t mud set a recognisable install method ?
Love using the edge of a mallet to beat down the tile. Takes care of any air pockets underneath.
Thanks for the videos man I just started watching them I own my house for about five years and I think I’m gonna tackle mine bathroom for tile just the floor though for some experience
So I'm a carpenter who hates to tile but seems to always get to a point where I need to. so I needed to learn how to get better. your videos have made a huge difference. I started to hit my parameter of thinset down before setting tile wow huge difference with clean up inside grout lines. I've always been great at layout but I learned to slow the hell down when doing tile work. and I'm about to tackle a 2'X4' shower using the widi system I came on here to check out some tips setting such a large tile its a little intimidating. I think just cutting is going to be the biggest problem I need to go rent or buy a large tile snap cutter. anyways you've made my projects easier. easier means more money and less wear and tear on my body. so I thank you!
Really great video. Been setting tile 40 years,really enjoyed watching you! Great job.
I like how you also ran the thinset ridges on the tile perpendicular to those on the floor. It distributes the thinset and supports the tile more evenly.
I disagree as you run the risk of creating a load of air pockets. when the ridges are parallel they mesh into each other and disperse the air more effectively
@@Big_Old_Bondy absolutely right sir , i was thinking the same and came to the comments section to see if anybody pointed it out . You can also notice the air pockets created at 9:02 .
@@sam496789 Isacc's usually on point with his installation technique so I'm willing to bet it was an oversight. But yeah you can see all of the air pockets. I've seen a lot worse done and the tile has never failed so gaurantee this will be okay
Love watching your videos!
Great video man just did a bathroom floor today first time tiling, 24x48 tiles too. Flat buttered the back of the tiles with no ridges and half inch knotches on the floor but i tell ya man there was no way i was pulling my tile up Iike that after setting it down lmaoo last tile, forgot two leveling clips and man oh man even with suction cups it was a no go for lifting that back up, so guess i got a good bond. Ended up perfect!!
What would you charge to do a standard size shower 90 sqf with 24×48 I'm to sure if I wanna take it one seems like it would be a total bitch lol
Those clips make it so easy to make it flat, cool
That's pretty much the exact same technique I use the only difference is I stand the tile up on a piece of wood and back butter it then I put suction cups on it but I did notice you had the plastic lining on the tile I haven't seen that on my jobs keep up the great work
I'm not sure how TH-cam works as far as paying people but I'm gonna go thru and 👍 every single one of your videos. Not sure if that even helps but hopefully it does. Thanks for the videos man
Fine job tile man, really enjoy your videos ✌️
Very nice and helpful video coach!
Like you videos. Always takiing tips an trick from you channel. Im tile setter from bay area.
Beautiful floor Issac.
Those big tiles are some hard work. You will know you had a days work. A bucket of mud per tile!
Ive used every clip system and by far the best is the Perfect Level System. Easy on the hands and the most durable...once you use it you wont want to use any other.
I repair tile 9 out of 10 tile guys don't back butter. That keeps me in business. You are a good dude and I can see you care.
Nice gym in the background 👌
I’m planning a 1600 sq ft job using 12x24 porcelain on a concrete slab. Other than making sure floors are flat and ideally level, do you not worry about expansion joints or coupling membranes/crack isolation? So much varying info out there. Your work looks really good. Would really like to hear your opinion. I’m in Nevada so very dry conditions.
Great Video! Nice bathroom
i'm not so sure about backbuttering the comb at a right angle to the comb on the floor, as it could trap the air. it would make sense to come both the tile and the floor in the same direction, preferably along a short direction, so the air can escape most easily out of the furrows.
I was thinking the same thing... sure during making a video, simple things get missed while instructing...
Man I love large format concrete looking tiles.
I've yet to do tiles that big. Good thing I caught this video or I'd have seriously underestimated how long it would take. Bigger tiles equates to a faster install.... until they get that big.
Thanks for the info, I never did 24 x 48 tile before and about to do them. It is nice that you throw in the little tips about these larger tiles that you normally wouldn't think of!
2/4 is for pro not for diy
@@marcopoulin1897
Didn't know trolls existed in 2023. I did the 2x4"s over a year ago. Perfectly level and not a single crack. So I guess you are wrong they can be for do yourself people. I mean it's not rocket science.
Did you do a video about laying the crazily cut tile in the previous course? That one looks like it was fun to measure and cut. Good videos, man. 35 year Real Estate guy/ Homebuilder, here.
Awesome job! Looks like a thin grout line. Did you need to put in any field movement joints with silicone or a profile?
Nice work breather 👍❤️
Great video! Not an installer but building a home on an island and I am wanting them to use the clips you have shown but I have a question. When using the leveling clips is there a concern about lifting the large tile and causing air gaps? It would seem they lift the lower rather than lower the raised tile?
Excelent Job
Great job!
Good video thank you, I use leveling clips a lot and so far I've been able to tile the whole floor in one day, I have always wondered the procedure of setting the clips and then cleaning of any adhesive until the next day to resume tiling, or is it that simple? Something tells me not!
Thank you TileCoach for your very helpful videos. Any chance you know the brand and style of the tiles in this video? thank you so much
Hi isaac ostrom I really enjoy your working with the tiles you doing great job keep it up I just wanna ask you you never use plastic mallet for the tiles??, just saying in general thanks.
Great video
Hey Isaac! Try the T-lock master.
I had try Ruby and T-lock and Levolution and I just find that the T-lock are the better ones.
Good job by the way 👍🏼
Awesome video again, are you vibrating your tile ? Or the back butter with 1/2 1/2 is enough ?
Oh it’s painful installing 24x48 using riamondi clips they snap so easily used em once never used them agin lol. From my experience I found the only leveling system thats works really well with 24x24 and up lft is acufloor leveling system they are super strong. Stronger than levtec,Tlock and MLT in my opinion. Anyways love your videos man watch em all the time.
good job
I like your work
Sweet! Good info brother!!!
Those wedge shaped clips tend to push the tiles apart when you tighten them down, at least the ones sold by home depot do. The tool to install them also ruined my hand because it can't be adjusted to a comfortable width and ended up putting a not of pressure on my thumb joint. I really like the Marshalltown leveling system that screws down. It's easy to install, no tools needed and if you screw up, it's easy to undo.
Maybe point the wedge in towards the previous set tiles 🤷♂️
Do you "back butter" or do the full 1/2in x 1/2in trowel back spreading of the thinset on tiles if they are 24 x 24? Thanks btw, great video.
What kind of tiles did you use in that bathroom both floor and walls love the style and color
Thanks
Good video. What’s your opinion on that orange underlayment for concrete slabs. I’m putting in 2’x4’ tile. I hear it’s good for areas that have lots of shifting. Homes around me have gotten leveled. WhatS your Recommendation.
Appreciate you brother, I'm a 30 yr in tile trade always Appreciate other mechanics, when those clips break i use a rescue clip , check them out , thanks for the video .
Good job 👍
Good morning. I love your videos and think I have learned a lot. I noticed you did not have an uncoupling membrane on the floor prior to tile install. When is it ok not to use an UM? I am preparing to tile my floor, I live in Walnut Creek (just south of you I think) and have a 63 year old MCM house on a concrete slab. I ordered Schluter Ditra but it nots cheap.
nice Job
Please post one of the complete job. Thank you.
Do you ever use any of crack prevention membranes when doing floors ?
Something amazing I’ve discovered recently with leveling clips.
LevTech clips + Raimomdi wedges = awesomeness
The levtech clips are flexible and not rigid but their wedges are kind of harsh on the fingers and harder to insert.
The raimondi wedges are easy on the fingers and slide in the levtech clips with ease.
Not a big fan of the raimondi clips, seem too brittle and don’t do as good a job at bringing tiles to the same plain.
Side note: when a clip prematurely breaks I like to use Yiyatoo reusable clips. (check Amazon) This way you don’t have to pull the tile up or slide another clip under and make a mess with thin set.
I also use the Yiyatoo anywhere i have one brake or need an extra or on a new row and the thin set is dried and you can't get a clip in
Tile coach, I love your videos and instruction. I had a question re: these tile leveling systems I see everywhere. If the wedge is pulling a tile up to eliminate lip between two uneven tiles, isn't it pulling one tile up from the mortar bed, creating a weak spot under that edge/corner? Or am I missing something?
Good question! The solution is always point the wedge towards the tile you laied before, so it's actually the new tile that "get pressed" at same height as the "old" and not the old that gets lifted at the level of the new.
Dude you guys need some 8” button release suction cups. Also are you not concerned about creating air pockets by contrasting the notch direction? JW love your videos
Looks like he's using one right at the end. ( 18:44 ) I was wondering the same thing about notch direction.
Me too..
Its harder to work with large tiles .i had to redo a house where large tiles were installed about 2 or 3 years prior ,and pretty much all the tiles were cracked dou to a bad preparation prior to installing
I'm going to be doing a 36 inch by 36 inch and I've never back buttered the back of the tile with the half inch by half which is what I used to put the tile down with... I have a very flat floor do I still need to do that? It's a good idea to use suction cups as well to help pick up the tile? You guys do beautiful work thank you
Nice, thanks
Hi TILECOACH
Do you have a video cutting these tiles? If so, please tell me where it is & what tools you used
Thank you 😊
You need to buy one of the new electric suction cups for handling those. It will give you a lot more control when you are setting them
How about the compressed air suction cup you pump it up with ur thumb
Thank you! Can you do a video on how to install large format porcelain tiles (48" x 24" and greater) in shower floor? Like it's kinda tricky getting an even thinset on a slope bc you can't use a self-leveling thinset.
There is no such thing as self-leveling thin set. Self-leveling mortar is used to fill in low spots in concrete substrate underneath the tile.
How much does it cost each square feet in your area to install something like that thanks for the reply God bless
Hi Tilecoach, great video. how much would you charge pr. square feet laying tiles like these, just work price not the tiles price. thanks
Porcelain Tiles are not easy to break but that cut around the wall, next tile cut the complete cut then Grind the backside, crack it and when you lay it down match the tile pieces together and it will look like the cut was done complete. Other than that I follow a few of your videos! I'm Retired but laid tiles over 30 years!
Are you saying to scar the back of the tile before break it on the tile cutter? It's unclear to me how you are saying it. Thanks
Hi Isaac,
Lovely video again.
I did testing with cross and parallel backbutter.
My conclusion is that cross creates air pockets and parallel gives a better collapse of the ridges.
I know it's details but I know you like details just as much as I do.
Test it I suspect u find the same result.
Thank you! Share the knowledge.
Any tricks on measuring and cutting for those angled walls ?
How many times did you try to make that piece that wrapped around the wall before allowing that joint instead?.I know you tried At least once,and would've ENDLESS amounts of time If you had endless overages of tile. Also whenever I break a clip I use those Twist Ones To avoid having to lift the tiles to replace a clip.👍
Do you Think that adding laticrete hydroban with fabric would be recommended to avoid cracking,especially in California from earthquakes etc?? Man I really would like to pick your brain on Tiling.Your methods are fantastic and taught This Old school guy So very much .
It would be even better to match the direction of the trowel strikes on the back of the tile. It helps to eliminate air pockets.
yup
Normally this is good advice, but I think when you are troweling ridges on the back of the tile in addition to the floor, it is better to go perpendicular. You will get support at every intersection of thinset,(ie. every 1/2 inch) in both directions which will offer better support (especially for LF tile) and coverage.
@@tofuroshi that’s what I was thinking
Good catch, in the process of making the videos I miss some things. I normally run them the same direction, as it helps expel the air out of the sides. But the entire point of directional troweling is to achieve the specified mortar coverage for the particular installation. In this case, 80% coverage with no voids larger than 2"x2" (as specified by the 2020 TCNA manual pg. 35 paragraph 1). We definitely achieved that!
@@TileCoach I totally understand everything you say! Not missing a thing become impossible specialy while filming! 1/2x1/2 for back buttering is so much more than most people use... you are definitely good with it! I really love your videos! You are on point and you are helping a lot of worker with your channel! I really love it! Thanks again!
I have a 3000sqft job. Was leaning towards purchasing a new bridge saw. Rubi DS250N 1300 and a montolite 131p5? Never thought the new DeWalt would be useful? Thoughts?? I will have some mitres on the walls in the same large 24x48 tiles.
Nice !!👍👍👍👍👍
Now that what I call a LFT!
I have a 24x48 job coming up next month and the subfloor is all out of whack. What kind of primer/self leveler is your go to? I've used some in the past per instructions and had some cracking in the self leveler.
Edit: love watching the videos.
Ultraplan 1 plus from mapei it’s a good one
ITS 36000S!!! Great video guys
Can you say how much you charg per sq ft for this job. Awesome video
And what did you do to get rid of the trapped air?
You didn’t use a decoupling mat.
Why not and when should one be used.
I’m looking to lay 900x900 on new sand & cement screed with under floor heating.
Can you advise. Thanks
I like the spin doctor leveling system
I'd like to know how you gridded out and cut the tile around that jut out wall.