Eurovision 2021: THE AFTERMATH
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Completely forget to mention Amanda Holden but I'm glad in a way because she was a disgrace.
Certainly was!
Best forgotten, in general.
RIGHT???? Just up there laughing about not knowing the difference between French and Dutch, yeah righteo funny joke Amanda
If you as brits were embarrassed by Holden, think what we Swedes were by Carolas 'performance'. 😀
NOVYMPIA!!! Please do a parody on Dr Tracey Marks!
I really want the U.K. to send a guy dressed as a dragon (but more suggested, so like maybe a scaly red leather suit) and sing a song entirely in welsh.
Yes! The UK should just start sending crazy shit, instead of trying and failing to win
Yes! I personally think we should send an all-girls Celt Rock band, but Welsh novelty act sounds great as well. Less mediocre English acts please
Honestly this is such a great idea. Like UK has so many different cultures and languages under their belts which I KNOW the rest of europe would be attracted to (some scottish flare anyone??), but they keep sending the same mellow english pop song by a non-performer male artist. like take a hint already UK!
Piff the Magic Dragon does magic and not singing.
that wud be so cool! or something in gaelic, or scottish.
2021 was undoubtedly the toughest final I have ever seen.
Hi, I'm Dutch. I more than 200% agree with what you said about the UK. Nobody hates the UK, but it was VERY mediocre. Europe also expects the UK to do better, because there are so many UK pop and rock legends... Send somebody who is REALLY FKIN GOOD!! Like you said, we're rooting for you. Eurovision is a place of love at the end of the day.
Also, about Moldova: she was incredibly charming and adorable (also in interviews), and people liked that I think.
Yes, the British bloke was alright, but I hardly remember his song - and I have listened to it at least 3-4 times. I was honestly baffled when I discovered he's John Newman's brother
German and just commented the same, lol. It is true that we also have slightly higher standards, I think. A smaller country sending an okay song with an okay stage show might get some sympathy points, but if the UK does it, it does feel like a letdown because we know there should be a budget, and a far bigger talent pool. So if they send something that looks like they couldn't be bothered (those plastic trumpets were a nightmare...), it just looks as if they're too cool for school. But I do want them to do something awesome every single year!
A lot of emphasis is placed on secondary things when a country does badly, like politics, how well-known the artist is, how big the country is. I think it has less to do with politics than a lot of people think. Israel and Russia are NOT beloved countries in a lot of places while still getting points. Also, saying that a country sent in mediocre songs in the past I think doesn't influence the publics vote that much. The Netherlands had about 15 years of mediocre songs and artists and Europe hasn't held it against us when we started sending in better ones later. I think it has most to do with 1. send a good singer 2. send in a good song that has a personal message. Like Duncan Lawrence said two years ago: "music first". I do think there's something to say about the order in which the songs are played, but the organization has to make a balanced show as well, there's always going to be countries that have to perform second or second-to-last. For every theory there is a country that defies it. My aunt from Middle-of-nowhere doesn't care about all this, she will vote for the song she likes the best.
I think people should talk about Manizha's song "Russian Woman" more because it is great on so many levels and the story behind it as well as the media reception in Russia is wild. She was the bravest contestants this year and if you read the Russian comments under her video, you will understand what she is going through.
I don't speak Russian so reading the comments doesn't make me understand anything lol. What do they say?
I mean... standing up for opressed people and minorities is always good but I have to qonder how much of that was a stunt since...Russia's stand on minorities has been very controversial.
@@Doki-2000 the orthodox church tried to block the song and some people tried to block her because she's tadzjik. At least that was was written in the press in my coutry
Yesss!! I love love love her so much!!!
@@LeLizdeika Oop- they really tried it, huh? ❤🤹♀️
one thing that was really special to me this year is how much fun all the acts had together backstage, or in the greenroom
theres so much bts footage of like jendrik, maneskin, etc going absolutely bonkers for Go_A, or everybody in the greenroom dancing during the performances, and so on
my enjoyment was also really fuelled by all the media coverage ahead of the shows, especiall the looklab interviews
this was the first year i felt like i actually kind of got to know the contestants
THE VIDEO OF JENDRIK AND MANESKIN DANCING TO SHUM LITERALLY CURED MY DEPRESSION
I love how you said that the participants were preparing for this for the past two years but Måneskin only prepared for in the past 2 months since they won San Remo (which they didn't expect to win at all). And they still managed to win Eurovision at their first shot ahaha
AHAHAHAHHA indeed! Their win at Sanremo was a GAG
@Tesla-Effect Their song actually was written a few years ago and just got some touch ups recently. But still it is extremely impressive because that means they wrote it as teens
The BBC should send either of the following:
- MNEK
- Years & Years
- Griff
- Rina Sawayama
ALL GREAT SUGGESTIONS.
Everything everything
I was thinking the same thing about MNEK!
ironic you say years and years olly alexander who was years and years albeit in his own name now is coming this year
@@Ecd4life23and he got 0 points from the public!
obsessed with you using the lagging part of the livestream as the 'previously'
I was just about to the same XD
Me too
I just want to say that I live in Russia and watching our "professional judges" give 12 points in Moldova was very embarrassing. I watched live broadcasts with various bloggers and commentators and they were also very upset, because they understood that the votes were cast only because Moldova was produced by Philip Kirkorov. In our country, it is not possible for young, talented performers to break through to the stage, since the past generation has settled down tightly and does not want to give a chance to new people. And that is why the judges gave so many points to Moldova, because Philip Kirkorov is very famous among the older generation and has a huge influence on them. The judges gave 12 points to Moldova, but the rest of Russia would obviously give votes to someone else. Please do not judge badly about our country just because of the idiots in the judicial panel, the rest of the people think differently.
Right?! Most people were outraged. I was watching few russian bloggers who covered the final and all of them said that it was a disgrace. Also about 12 points to Greece from televote. A lot of people reported that there were some issues with voting. One had to send an sms for an artist and then send "1" to confirm the vote (which doesn't make sense to me in the first place). And so people would send 1, would not get a confirmation and send it again thus voting for Greece, cause Greece was number 1. Russia gave 10 points to Italy in televote and I suspect that if not for voting mishaps - Italy would get 12 points from Russia's televote. Wouldn't change the outcome of a contest of course...but still...interesting situation
Same goes for Cyprus and Greece, they gave their 12 points to each other, kissing each other’s asses publicly on esc yet again.
The jury has always been politically motivated and it’s a shame.
Malta reminded me of Netta tbh. Not musically per se, but the lyrics and the act itself felt super similar for me. it just seemed like they wanted to bank on women empowerment(because it sells well), but I just don't think the song was appealing to casual viewers
however, Destiny has a great voice and I think she deserved a better song, imo her vocals would fit much better with some power ballad than with je me casse
Not to mention that Russia's song is more authentic feminist song than Destiny because the one from Malta sounds very preachy.
Plus she was the third fringed silver outfit within about half an hour. I think that added to the perception that she was being derivative, even though the song was original.
I have to agree with everyone's comments about Destiny. When I listened the song, the messaging etc, I immediately thought Netta and even though Destiny was an amazing vocalist, let's face it, the ong just didn't feel authentic enough. I think in that sense Spain suffered the same issue, the song and the performence was just too similar to Arcade
I liked malta's song but it honestly felt a bit too tryhard-y. I gave Maneskin my points because my god every single member in that group is so damn hot
I love seeing all of the videos taken from the green room where all of the countries are going mental at Ukraine's song lol
You also have to take into consideration the fact that the people of the UK CONSTANTLY moan how Eurovision is a joke, how it is too political, how the bloc voting is constantly "screwing them over" and after a while, when someone constantly complains you want to distance yourself from them so it makes sense that from that perspective the UK wouldn't get votes. Sure, Brexit might not have been a positive event for the votes in Eurovision but that isn't a valid excuse for the BBC's complacency.
If anyone is to blame it's the BBC. Sucks for James tho. :/
He also couldn’t sing the song he wrote, which doesn’t help.
@@oldvlognewtricks Dunno, it seemed ok (not anything partiicularly great tho) to me, compared to many other ESC entries this year that is... :D
@@19932603A It was markedly worse than his performance at the semi-final, and even that was pretty out of tune and vocally struggling. Then compared again with the studio version it’s remarkably bad - especially since the UK doesn’t have to compete before the final.
Other than Moldova (unsure what was going on there - at least the song didn’t involve much actual singing) the singing in the final was at least mostly competent - even purely on vocals James deserved last place.
@Tesla-Effect Unsure how you mean by ‘as if he wasn’t British’ - as far as I’m concerned he just couldn’t hit the notes, or was unprepared for live performance (the semi final performance was somewhat better, although still bad).
Agreed that there were a lot of other factors about the staging and such that also contributed - I only highlight the vocals as something objectively and concretely wrong. Singing in tune is fairly fundamental to a live vocal performance.
I really want the uk to win so we can host in Wembley stadium and have the spice girls ride in on black taxis like the 2012 olympics hahah
San Marino def didnt suffer from a bad running order. It was just basic af
Thank you! Finally someone that agrees. I didn't like the song, it didn't stand out, I later found out about the hype surrounding Flo Ri Da and was baffled because I didn't even notice the rap bit in the live performance and felt even better about not giving them a vote.
@@intrepidtomato i mean either way coming last didnt hurt them at all
It was basic. Also, I don't like the gimmickness of send a foreign superstar to catch couple of points to the country. Just think Flo Rida googling and finding out where and what San Marino is before agreeing to do this, LOL
That's a good summer song that will be forgotten soon basically
the hosting this year was amazing. nikkie was great, there weren't any horrifically awkward interviews during the finals, the interval acts didn't take forever and their covid protocol was also clearly well thought out
Whilst it’s popular with The Gays, I do think there’s a danger in ‘camping up’ the Eurovision Contest is such an obvious way. France and Switzerland never featured on my radar as I was loving Lithuania and Iceland, both of which scored really highly in the U.K. public vote but not on the leaderboard
If we want to do well we need to recognise the cultural taste differences we hold. European taste is so diverse, but whilst we want to represent music the U.K. likes, I think we need to lean in to what other countries listen to.
I agree with another commenter that the BBC do us no favours feeding in to the idea that Eurovision is camp and ridiculous. It’s latent homophobia to dismiss something as frivolous because it’s popular with a LGBT+ crowd.
I began watching in the 80s when it was much more of a National event, like football.
Very well said! 👏
Finland was a banger! Period. They smashed it
I preferred it when Linkin Park sang it.
@@oldvlognewtricks just cos its Nu Metal aswell, doesn't mean they are a copy cat
@@dieZera You are correct. There is, however, plenty of nu metal that doesn’t have the exact same musical structure structure, vocal style and tone, band composition, use of harmony rhythm and instrumentation, and melodic progression.
And yet this example happens to sound like the reincarnation of Chester.
@@oldvlognewtricks well check out their other stuff, I think it's ok to tweak a metal song a bit to be more mass compatible for a competition like the esc... and they signed with century media, german label, let's see what comes out of that
@@oldvlognewtricks they are big fans of Linkin Park, so I guess they will take it as a compliment anyway.
I enjoy seeing you both out of drag very much.
Go-A was definitely my favourite with Шум
yes and the singer is so stunning im their performance
The last time I see 'Do you wanna play cyber sex again' will be the day I finally know peace
I agree with literally everything you both said!
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@@Novympia THIS IS A MUST NEXT YEAR!
I do to lol Eurovision headquarters
Haha same. And from the video I have seen you explained the Maneskin situation the best way as you mentioned everything. Good job on that.
we need our automatic place in the final taken away so we have incentive to not be shit every year lol
I know basically nothing about Eurovision. Why do you have an automatic place in the final? (Sorry if they explained it, maybe I missed it.)
@@nolaray1062 the big 5 pay the most money to eurovision, and without it there couldn't be nearly enough chaotic shows. If we lose them we are fucked
@@theokooistra5856 do other countries get upset about it or is it generally accepted? Seems like it could be controversial. Lol
@@nolaray1062 it's generally accepted since it has been likr that for very long
@@nolaray1062 if other countries want to be a big sponsor they can be no one is stopping them
after your last eurovision video, you guys actually inspired me to go and listen to all the entires before the week started and my god, i’m going to start doing that every year now. usually i just turn up to the final and let the chaos unfold but going on the full journey with the semi’s and extra bts content and such really made the whole experience all the more fun. and big agree with how strong the competition was this year, the best we’ve had in years for sure.
Italy isn’t all the same, you don’t go to Milan to eat pizza the same way you don’t go to Naples to eat risotto
Also I think the ESC 2022 won’t be in Rome, I believe Turin, Milan or Bologna have a higher chance
I think that from an outsider's point of view it's really hard to understand just how varied Italy actually is. Every single one of the 20 regions is like its own state and has a different culture, architecture, dialect and most importantly different cuisine. Foreigners think that italy = good pizza everywhere because pizza was born here, which couldn't be farther from the truth lol. But it's understandable to me that most people don't get that, because it's just kinda difficult to see that without living in italy
@@preciousegg4924 I agree, I don’t expect a foreigner to know everything but, a the same time, I don’t live in the UK but I know it isn’t all the same and that England and Scotland are very different, the same goes for the different parts of France and Germany. Sometimes I think that Italy is just too much stereotyped.
I mean who really cares honestly
@@Kokolo-ze2cp somebody looking for good pizza cares
It's high time for the BBC to get their act together, regarding their approach to the Eurovision Song Contest. They should either pull up and try to win this thing - genuinely do their best - or stop wasting their Big Five contribution monies and pull out of the event altogether for the time being. The longest string of second places and Top 5 rankings throughout decades was not an accident; all it takes is having the right people doing the right job - and (shockingly!) having fun along the way.
(The same goes for RTVE and Spain; ARD at least got that single win with Satellite in 2010.)
Yeah Germany also has to try and do better. I liked the attitude of our last performer (he is a musical artist who sent in a video to apply, did most of it himself etc...) but the song was embarrassingly shit. At least he didn't act like a pod person like some of our previous contestants. Someone with his attitude and actual talent as a songwriter would be nice..
Yeh, if we (Germany) sent the UK song, we would get nothing either. Our song was somewhat cringey, but maybe more memorable?, the UK and Spain were just very forgettable.
Germany was absolutely hilarious NGL, very memorable
Germany`s song was so fun :) The performers were SOO happy to be there!
Have to agree, I felt Germany was robbed a little bit - not a winner, but should have come higher than some. I considered if I had been elsewhere and voting the UK would have been an option.. and in all honesty, I wouldn’t have given us any points either.
I thought Germany was fun and quirky... at least the message and the staging was good. Compared to the UK which felt like an average "Top Of The Pops" performance.
@@johnd6487 I thought the placement was deserved, but I was glad our guy had fun and represented us well at least in the sense that he had some charisma and was a good sport.
On sending established internationally successful artists: These people have carefully crafted public images and they are used to being in control, influencing the song writing, the staging etc.. crwating their own story around them. Part of their sustained success is, that there is this universe created around them, where they are the super hero. At Eurovision they would only be a number in a line up. I think most of those artists - or their management and PR team - wouldn't like that. Also, I think they wouldn't want to risk not winning because it might be a damper for their carreers. They'd bring shame to their home country etc. It's too much of a risk for someone with a successfull streak on their own. They have too much to lose.
That was the exact point the late Tel Wogan used to make. There was no way whatsoever for established UK acts like, say, Elton John, The Police or Rod Stewart to appear in the Eurovision back in the day. Even the likes of Sandie Shaw and Lulu begrudgingly accepted to enter the British NF.
That being said, even outside of individual artists' PR bubbles, the Eurosong was generally deemed naff and outdated, on one hand, and, on the other, a neat opportunity for British songwriters and composers to showcase their work on pre-Internet European TV.
I would also add that established artists not doing well might also generate even more backlash from aggressive, unpleasant, racist or overall trash fans. I don't think this is in their thoughts, but that would surely also happen.
I also think people would think it's not playing fair because Britain has so many internationally known artists with a huge following simply by virtue of singing in English, which other countries where another language is spoken don't havr.
VERY glad I'm not the only one who quotes 'Sugaahhhh' hourly
Also Malta: we were absolutely were assumed to win so people didn't bother.
I really love Finland:) I love them being "kids" lemme put it that way. I really wish they were higher. Their vibe is so fresh and youthful, so i guess they deserved their place
Nice video:) Thank you
The contest between UK then and now, wow
Since Eurovision, I've heard 3 songs from Maneskin - Zitti E Buoni, Torna a Casa, and I Wanna Be Your Slave and tbh, they could have played ANY of those and won. Their writing is just as strong as their performance ability, stage presence and charisma. And Torna a Casa has a completely different tone - it's a slow burn and it's STILL just as strong. I think they're gonna be the new ABBA, in that their career is only going up and up and they'll be the most successful Eurovision winners since ABBA. I'm already trying to get tickets to see them on tour.
Have you listened to Coraline yet? Because DAMN its gorgeous, the the lyrics are amazing as well
Ukraine was witchy as fuck. LOVED IT! 🖤
I think the UK and Ireland should pull a Portugal and have a national final where songwriters are invited and the songwriter chooses the performer of their song. This could definitely avoid the UK curse of sending songwriters who aren’t known for performing
This year was amazing. My top 5 were Finland, Ukraine, Italy, Iceland & Malta.
Damiano started cussing in Italian (I guess when he saw the broken glass on the floor), so probably that's why the nudge
My heart is breaking that Blind Channel didn’t win you over. They’re such good goofy boys. 🥺💔
They have some really awesome tracks too. I know it's not a musical style that everyone will love (particularly juries) but they put on a great performance and the public clearly loved them.
This gay metalhead absolutely loved every second of it
Let's be honest, some of their interviews were truly cringy. A date r@pe joke isn't a good look. I agree with what was said on the video about them just being childish. I was proud of the result and how Finland's image is shifting again but that doesn't mean I couldn't also be critical of these boys, and I get why some people found them somewhat annoying or immature. That's not the same as being youthful and fresh.
I remember gasping when Malta got her televotes, she was low on my scoring sheet but for an 18 year old those pipes were insane. In fact this was a very young year with Greece also only being 18, Finland being mid twenties and Italy in their early twenties. I was rooting for Iceland to win, I think they were robbed of 2020 (it was going to be between them, Russia and Lithuania in my opinion) but 4th is fantastic considering they weren't even there, chilling with iPad dummies in their hotel room (Looking forward to seeing Dadi Freyer live in 2022!). 2022 won't top this year at all but I think we're gonna enter a new age of Eurovision if we're to take away anything from Italy's win. Great Review/Aftermath! x
Also super proud the UK's Televotes went 12 - Lithuania, 10 - Iceland and 8 - Bulgaria. You love to see it.
Iceland were my favs last year too. That comeback, the perseverance. Pure entertainment.
I kept wondering about the long, leather jacket choice of UK, it looked weird and like he just was hiding, I mean I am one to wear literal tent-like shirts to cover my body because I dislike showing my bumps in detail and rather hide them, but like the UK's long jacket was an odd fit for like the context of Eurovision. Idk.
I agree! with it being leather I think it would of made him hot and out of breath
Absolutely. It wasn't about the guy's shape, it was just a really bad outfit, they didn't even make an effort
I am obsessed with Sugar and I dont care who knows it. I cant make it not bop.
People who complain about our score are delusional it was a boring song snd performance and wouldn't chart in the UK.
this was such an entertaining video. don’t really have someone to discuss eurovision with so this was really fun lol
Yeah, the UK singer also just didn't sound good. His voice sounded to dry, which may have been a problem with the audio mix but it just sounded like he had been drinking, smoking an partying for two day and just woken up hung over. Which, of course in itself isn't a bad thing to do, its great, if you don't have responsibilities the next day. But it just isn't good for vocal control and agility and resonance properties in a live vocal performance. May be he thought it would give his voice more "edge" or character....who knows. To me it just seemed careless and sloppy. Trying to phone it in.
I mean, there is an appeal to that kind of voice and an audience for it, but it’s not what Eurovision audiences want. I certainly don’t think that’s the reason for the nul points, though. The UK always performs terribly in Eurovision and we all know why.
Let me tell You his voice wasnt the issue.
He's not really a performer he's a songwriter. That's what he is known for (and won a brit award for). I don't really blame him for not being a good performer because it's not what he does. Now why we sent a songwriter to perform at Eurovision? I have no clue.
The fact that the UK forgets they have FKA twigs baffles me
Damiano is gorgeous
I'm upset that France came before Switserland like Switserland was amazing really loved that song and performance!
Nova: "its a conversation get involved in the comments"
Valentina Monetta in the back of my mind: "are you ready for a little chat?"
Amanda Holden was definitely the absolute low point of the year... but when has anything Amanda Holden not been a low point?
Bragging about not knowing languages, cringe.
Yep.... she was awful. Though the host talking about going to the land of pizza and Sambuca, gave her a close run for her money!
@@velmavlogs7693 Yeah, being like "i act like i know things and stupidly" isn't great...
I mean in my personal taste i much preferred Ukraine over Switzerland, but I understand that the production was much better with Switzerland
I think the problem with Ukraine was the singing Style which is very unusual to Western European audiences, producers and vocal coaches. But I loved it immensely since I'm Slavic. 🤣🤣🤣
I get that people are mad for Malta about the handselected running order, but the whole reason they changed it to hand selection instead of random was because of all the years the randomized running order was killing the show energy by putting too many slow ballads after one another. People were getting bored, and the ballads that were maybe 3rd or 4th in the clump sucession were getting unfairly judged for it.
I’ve been listening to Technicolour for weeks and loving it. I had no idea it was a Eurovision song. Damn…
Actually Italy would have won also with the old system, by just ONE point over France.
As a Greek Cypriot in the UK, I always root for both Cyprus and Greece, they're practically one in the same! So it's more like they're both an extension of me if that makes sense, it's so difficult to explain but we are like one family rather than neighbouring countries. But it is funny how committed they are to raise each other up rather than actually voting for the good stuff hahaha.
Can confirm that everyone I watched it with felt that Flo Rida was a gimmick. However I disagree that being last in the running order had anything to do with them flopping, other songs in that spot did amazing in the televote, its a great position to put a strong song at.
Most people I know said the same thing. They said it felt like cheating having someone so famous included. I didn't mind it, as the song worked well with him, and other acts have had big names in the past too, but it was definitely a factor in peoples opinion of the entry.
True and with how surprised they were of their placement/televotes, they were betting on getting votes purely from flo rida being involved and it showed through to the audience
It annoyed me quite much, indeed. Plus the official language of San Marino is Italian, and from watching their performance you could not guess that even in 1000 years.
Olympia, your rendition of the Georgia entry made me laugh hysterically.
I was furiously nodding along to everything you said but I needed you to talk about Ukraine more. Go_A got all my votes, absolutely obsessed with them.
Oh and I would love a top 10 world tour!!
they just premiered the song celebration on the eurovision channel, with all the 'pre-recorded' vids. they were all obligated to record one. Roxen was bloody good there, much less running around..
I thought the semi-final acts all did so much better in their tapes, if they'd sang like that on the night of the competition then we may have ended up with different finalists.
Not you saying Ireland is a friend of the UK
I just want to say, as a Greek, in terms of the Greece-Cyprus 12 points every single year, even if I don't like it being that way either, it's because Cyprus is considered "part" of Greece. We speak the same language, we have the same national anthem and traditions. Many Cypriots go to Greek Universities to study every year and generally we're like one people, so it's like voting for ourselves almost by voting each other, because even if we don't win at least the other can and it will feel the same to most people. So it's not just a "neighbors" thing that we vote each other, it's like voting our family over strangers first, so we're extremely biased even if we should be voting for the best song but as you said neither of us can ever win with just those 12 points.
Its true that many countries vote for others because of cultural similarities. For example the Belgian televote gave 12 points to France, even if political relations aren't amazing between the two countries, cultural similarities remain. People just don't get this.
I never really understand why people get so pressed about the “political” voting. Like you said & they said in the video, it’s never going to make a big difference in the final result
@@markdamaniac6041 Aaand then there's the perpetual points war between Italy and San Marino, with San Marino's Wikipedia page having to be blocked every year around Eurovision because Italians love vandalising it when they feel they have been once again betrayed in the voting🤣
Greek here as well and I'm glad you mentioned it. Even more glad we both watch Novympia !
@@kingc1468 We are a rare breed aren't we?😅
A really fair and insightful assessment of the competition - well done!
P.S: Had great pizza in Spilt, Croatia
I'm Italian and yeah the pizza I had in Split was quite good for a foreign country. Much better than the one I had in Malta.
I also had great pizza in Split lol
I just love when these two do these videos out of drag!
I loved Iceland, not that they should have won exactly but they were so fun and the singer is surprisingly good. He did a lot of covers of eurovision songs on his own and he's a beast, making the music and singing. You'd never expect it from just watching him do one song.
36:44 best reaction ever ahahhahaha I'm dying. btw the best pizza is in the south of Italy! not Milan. you need to come back and try the true pizza in the south Naples or Rome
Technically we have sent a Sugababe and done well (Though it was Jade Ewen and she became one about six months AFTER the contest) but she's our best modern result so it genuinely may not a bad idea...
Also, we should've sent Kerrie-Anne in 2019. #JusticeForSweetLies
YESS #JusticeForSweetLies !!!
You guys are great in or out of drag. Every episode is amazing .
Oh girl yes!!! Been waiting for this! I'm Canadian and none of my friends watch Eurovision lol ❤️❤️❤️
thank you for spending a 100 years talking about natalia. i've faced much hate for my love for this song, but i personally just feel sorry for them that they aren't able to experience the fullness of the sexy, joyful, camp-y, stupid fun she was giving 👁👅👁
I definitely think this top 10 was the strongest of all time (probably the entire final tbh), I also think måneskin at the rate they're going right now will be the most successful winners since the millennium (i am biased though because I absolutely adore them)
Y’all have kept me going through this panini!!! Thank you!! Y’all are way too funny and I piss myself almost every time!!!
I completely agree... in a year with so many great songs/performances, you couldn't just be fine or just good, you had to really impress!
i cant with the georgia impression 😂
How was that so spot on
I am very Team Olympia on the Dr. Oetker frozen pizza. I love them when I am treating myself. 😃
Everything you've said is 100% accurate, but there are a couple of things I want to add.
I can totally see the vote for Blind Channel & am not surprised they finished so high. Those of us who like rock & metal usually have very little in Eurovision. If we're lucky there's 1 song per year. This year they were 2, & 1 won! It's understandable that, when it's high quality, we'll vote for it, even when it's not the type of rock or metal we listen to everyday. We're just so grateful that a rock/metal song is on stage.
When the shit storm about drugs hit, it was the French gutter press who promoted it. Barbara Pravi showed her class by congratulating Mäneskin, saying they won fairly & she supported their victory.
Hurricane actually have vocal lessons whilst running on a treadmill! That's why they can sing & dance so energetically without damaging their singing.
I loved Embers & still listen to it. It's going to be my go-to party sing for a while. I don't think it's should have won & can see why it finished as it did. I really didn't like the staging& thought the choreography was dire & lacked energy. I'd have preferred if the music video was recreated on stage. Next year I'd like to see someone like Celeste with a Stop This Flame type song or even Dua Lipa, but I think they'll be too big to want to take part.
@Tesla-Effect I remember Marija Sherifovic, she has such a strong voice & Molitva was an incredible song, she was a well-deserved winner. She was my clear favourite in 2007, way ahead of my 2nd choice, Les Fatals Picards with L'Amour à la Française. I didn't know Marija was linked to Hurricane. I supposed she would be a great mentor, having competed herself & being a great singer too. I'd not heard of Hurricane before this year & have heard that they sometimes sing whilst running on treadmills. No wonder the vigorous choreography had no effect on their vocal strength! They were powerful & pitch-perfect in every performance & rehearsal. 👏
I thought that a lot of the competitors this year were really supportive of each other, even more than usual. We've already seen one single released with 2 of them collaborating (Blas Canto & James Newman have released an English version of Blas' entry called I'll Stay) & I suspect there will be a lot more collaborations in the coming year. I wouldn't be surprised if Italy & Ukraine worked together, for example. Måneskin were popular winners, both among professionals & fans & it was sweet to see them so enthusiastic for Go-A, just the same as Hurricane fan-girling for them. I'm not surprised to see it though: the competitors were like as at one stage, enthusing about the competition from the outside. Now as performers, they still love the competition even though they're part of it. All of them also have an affinity for great music, so it's understandable that they would appreciate the other artists. 🙂
Before 2017, Portugal had almost always bad classifications. There was always a lot of justifications about politics in Eurovision. But the reality is that our song selection process was not good. When the organization started inviting promising songwriters to participate, the quality of the songs participating in the national contest started increasing. Gradually, credible artists have started to appreciate the national contest as the opportunity to get themselves known in Portugal/ Europe. With this process, Portugal won in 2017 and got the 12th place this year.
The most famous artists in the country are not willing to risk their image (the portuguese singer this year even stated that in an interview), but there are a lot of newish /not so known artists that are willing to take the risk.
UK seems to have the same problem. Added that everyone knows the quality of the music industry in England, making it much more blatant, that there is no effort put in. The singer seems to be a very nice person, but his vocals were not so great, the song and staging were not great /memorable. There have to be deep changes in the organization, especially the selection of the song. There has to be a open selection process, to get the public involved and invested in the selected song.
The Big 5 countries should, at least, have to perform the whole song in the semifinals. The qualification process to the final is a major opportunity to get people to be invested in your song. By the final, everyone already has their favourites. About the politics... well if Brexit is the problem, what was the excuse before Brexit?
Well, both Damiano David and Countess LuAnn de Lesspes come from Italian television :)
This is the eurovision content I was looking for.
How are the guys from finland just kids? They are well into their twenties and they behave exactly like most bands in the genre.
Finally a different opinion on France that I share! THANK YOU!
I loved finlaaaand
I am Bulgarian and I can tell you it was pretty much rigged. Although we tend to give a few points to Moldova and vice versa, as there's kinda lots of Bulgarians living there, the participation of Philip Kirkorov was what decided this. He is Russian, but was born in Bulgaria and the current head of the Bulgarian National TV is not exactly the least corrupt guy in the world, if you know what I mean
The performances from the UK, San Marino and Spain felt like interval acts, that's why they did how they did. There's a trick to doing well in Eurovision: you have to be at the top of your game, but also exude a sense of novelty to your act that makes people excited about you.
First time I’ve watched your channel. I’m obsessed with Eurovision this year so I hung on your every word! Cyprus’ ‘El Diablo’ should have placed so much higher. Elena put on a great performance. Shame she was on first. How could you not say anything about Go_A the Ukraine placement?! Oh and Azerbaijan’s ‘Mata Hari’, loved them! Anyway, great video guys and I agree a female pop group would be great next year for the UK. 💋
I would LOVE to vote for the UK, and I know plenty of people who also would. I felt bad for James this year, but as you said, it was just so forgettable. I hope the BBC is going to change the way they select not just the songs but the singers - there's such great music in the UK, I can't believe they can't find someone who is able to captivate the public!
As for Italy, I'm so happy my country finally won and I will definitely try to snatch the tickets for the final. The drug allegations from France really left a bad taste in my mouth - I get it, Italy and France, we have a big rivalry in basically any aspect of life and we're not "friends", but making up bullshit drug accusations against basically kids at their first international experience is ridiculous and just makes you a sore loser. And we know a thing or two about coming so close to winning that you can almost smell it and then coming in second or third :p
(Also: I rotfl'd when you said you had the worst pizza of your life in Milan. SAME.)
Missed Eurovision so much and this year was so great and strong🥲💖 I almost cried at the end of the final show, hope the next year will be this strong too! Thank you for your analysis of the ESC, you are amazing and YES DAMIANO IS SO HOT! P.s. I don’t know why but after the ESC every single day I wake up with Mata hari, one of the best entry of Azerbaijan ever 🔥👸🏻
valentina monetti indeed lives in my head rent free. glad I'm not the only one lol
Baltic and Slavic countries not giving many points to Ukraine, cause no one likes countries voting for their neighbours.
Any other country: oh, wait we weren't supposed to vote for our neighbours?
Lithuania gave Ukraine 12 points both jury and televote 🙌
@Tesla-Effect not Jury though.
I think Tusse thought he was gonna get a good result just because he was Sweden's representative, and Sweden usually gets a good result. 14th is still pretty good but anyway.
I'm Swedish btw
He was really good, but the song was "meh", very forgettable. So I think he didn't make it higher just because of the song.
I really liked the song but it definitely had "good song, not the winner" vibes. Like, I'll happily add it to my playlist and listen to it, but I wouldn't have chosen it to win over some of the other acts.
That’s just the way the cookie crumble‘s Lily Allen😂🥰🥳
I really loved this video, the joke in the beginning with san marino's amazing 2012 anthem made my day and I definitely laughed way too hard at that
I was devastated when Croatia didn't go to finals. Great review guys.
So first I wanna say thank you for the update video so happy you did this!!! I get all my Eurovision tea from you both so I'm so happy but I have to share my opinion about the UK wanting to send adele. So to me I agree with both of you in the sense it would be pointless to send her cause 1. They could see it as cheating 2. What would be the point given she is a massive name. 3. What would she gain from it given she is already a international star . And 4. If she ranks lower is that saying other people are better then adele. I really dont get. From what you both have said over the years the uk has never done well and if they really wanted to have a chance. then they need to send someone who can actually sing and perform it wouldnt be hard to do that. The guy who was sent look like someone dad who started singing like 3 weeks ago and got a good shoot getting into Eurovision. I mean my god. love cheers and hippads gurl 😘
Eurovision is not about sending established singers. A lot of countries send previously unknown singers. It's not about winning, or wanting to winn. It's just about having a good time, making every country seen and showing that Europe is united in history and culture.
Bosnia and Herzegovina don't participate in the Eurovision because they didn't pay the dept they own to the EBU. Eurovision is very expensive and most countries send mediocre acts so that they don't win. I don't really think the UK wants to win right now, so... 🤣
Oh I've heard that most countries actually like coming second cause it cost ton of money to put the show it self. Which so fascinating to me. 🤣 and also if uk wanted to win the need to go send a true performer honestly
@@kenneth42994 to be honest if the UK would send Adel with a good song I would be like: I'm not voting for the UK. 😂😂 If it's a good song and someone unknown I'll prefer it
Thanks for the Eurovision update!!! Looking forward to next year... you guys should submit for the UK 😉
The thing with overthinking it or considering aspects the general viewer doesnt on a casual sunday night, is why there are juries. Except they do a really bad job rewarding quality beyond trends
Thanks for a great video. I have watched Eurovision for years. Love all of it.
It felt like a breakup when Switzerland didn't win for me, I was v emotionally attached to the song
I think england chose James because they liked the song, like I can hear it on capital FM, so it was a song built for radio and not for Eurovision
I believe he was chosen for us by the pro's. I can't remember us having a competition to choose our entry for 2020 or 2021. I agree it sounds like a radio track though, rather than a competition winner.
American here with British friends who have gotten me into ESC - this year was a really hard one in terms of standing out. I've watched ESC live for the last 5 years and taken a look at the numbers from years farther back than that, and this year's results were WILD to me.
There were so many songs that in other circumstances would have become the song with the "ESC narrative" - Fallen Angel and TIX's tourette syndrome, Birth of a New Age and Jeangu Macrooy's Surinamese background, Growing Up is Getting Old and Victoria's father's ALS diagnosis, to name a few - and would have gotten an almost kind of pity or sympathy support in the votes that just wasn't there this year.
Also the effect of the "missing year" due to the pandemic I don't think can be emphasized enough. The world is and has been Wild'n'Out with Nick Cannon since all this started, and it seems like the public tastes have really drifted into not necessarily surprising directions, but rather statistically unlikely ones. I think there's also an argument to be made that since there was a missing year, for the first time in everyone's lifetime since this whole thing started, a LOT of people expected something not just good but great, and expectations were cranked up to 11 where some years you can show up at an 8 and win the thing.
The art directors also need to be required to get feedback from a vocal coach of some sort when composing their staging. A lot of the middle-of-the-line songs in terms of vocals sound fantastic when the artist is allowed to stand in one place or move as they're comfortable, but the second you have them running or dancing or being lifted when that isn't what they typically do means they're struggling that much more to hit both high and low notes. Also! Adrenaline affects your voice! Low notes you can normally hit when you're calm go right out the window the minute you get a shot of anticipatory nerves, and high notes are harder to control because your airways are activated on top of normal singing. As far as I can tell all the songs that struggled on stage didn't struggle like that in acoustic sessions or calmer, simpler performances, and it seems like no one in the delegations or on production side of things seems to account for that when both picking a song, a performer, and staging.
Normally we end up moaning about ballad hell, but it seems like 2021 was banger hell and my personal theory is that really screwed with how people voted, since normally songs like SHUM, 10 Years, Zitti e Buoni, and Dark Side would be the "novelty" songs that you'd have to just hope people ended up liking to give them a fair spot in the show. I think people swarmed the votes for them thinking like a normal ESC year (which this definitely wasn't) where those songs stood a good chance of falling through the cracks, and it overbalanced and left songs that normally would be common fare for ESC out in the cold.
Anyways, the tl;dr is yes. You pretty much got it down pat. UK got the points they got for sending a middle-of-the-line song when expectations were high with a performer that struggled vocally either due to staging or nerves or both. Moldova was what it was, a fun song with a charismatic singer and solid staging that outweighed whatever vocal quibbles there were. Malta got lost in the milieu, which to me is a shame, same with San Marino, but both were solid performances that, again, would normally be solid contenders. Nothing is normal in 2021 and I guess ESC isn't exempt from that either.
I'd love it if UK sang in a minor language like Welsh or Scots Gaelic for a change. You don't have to do Morris dance-EDM but we had 4 non-English songs in the Top 5 this year and Måneskin is charting all over Europe! What is common for all of them is they had confidence in their performance and what they do and who they represent, can't say the same for James unfortunately.
I believe Greece got the edge over Bulgaria because they ended up with more televote points. I believe that's the new tiebreaker, whoever gets more televotes gets the higher placement.
Yes. We were 10th at everything and Bulgaria I believe bad more jury votes but less televotes.
Y’all are so fun to watch!
🤫 I don’t really know what Eurovision is (live in the states) but now I’m interested. ♥️♥️
Agree with everything here. What were you gonna say about Kirkorov?