I saw Lev doing that when I was playing as Abby the other day, he just picked up some bottle from a table when we were exploring. I didn't realize our companions could do that! Maybe I should watch them more closely
I remember the first time I had an enemy beg for their life and I hesitated, I genuinely didn't know what to do, it was uncomfortable and I gave them the option to run but she just went for her gun. One of those gamer moments ill never forget.
@@BooN877 still imagine if you gave them the option to go and not come back and they actually run away that would be so cool they should have put that in the game
Also! When Abby and Lev are making their way through the Scar island in Seattle and are surrounded by the WLF, they can either stealth their way through or not. Lev’s dialogue after changes depending on what choices the player made. If Abby killed many wolves, Lev will say: ”Abby... You killed those wolves.” If Abby only kills one wolf, Lev will say: ”Abby, you killed _that_ wolf.” If she kills none, Lev will say nothing. I thought it was kinda cool.
@@kcoose5356 i blame him for the shitty story in part 1. This one actually had an intelligently written story. And Druckman has been working for Naughty Dog since Uncharted 1 was in development hes not new and he was one of the reasons they became so successful after Jak and Daxter
@@Reelfilms1998 everything you said is so factually incorrect,almost all of the staff that worked on the uncharted and tlou1 games left in 2016 after uncharted 4,hence only druckmann was left and he got to hold all the keys for TLOU2 which turned out to be a trainwreck.
@@SuperLari1234 its not factually incorrect i know because Naughty Dog are my Favorite devs of all time and ive been a die hard fan for well over 10 years. The one main woman that left was Amy Henning and Uncharted 4 gave a special thanks to her for working on the series over the years even tho she didn't work on Uncharted 4 so that was still written mainly by Druckman and it was by far the best written Uncharted game. Niel made part 2 miles better than the sorry excuse for a story that is TLOU(2013)
something interesting - I saw this video and went through this section in my new game plus with abby holding her gun out. however, the first dialogue still played, with joel asking abby if she had a gun. I realized that I had moved into the next room too quickly and obscured Joel's vision, leading to him not being able to see that abby had a gun. incredible game
It could have either been that, or just that the game is programmed so you only get the response when holding the default pistol. If you had other guns out it might have not triggered the dialogue.
Great game, but everytime I go through this scene I just start thinking on how Abby stuck to her wish of revenge after Joel straight up saved her from this mess.
@@DialloMoore503 not bad writing. abby was driven by revenge. just because joel saved her didn’t mean that she automatically stopped being driven by her need for revenge. in fact, it probably made her want to kill him more
@@AlexSmith-vs1bd I find "revenge" a bit stale. Not just revenge, but justice. In her eyes the fate of humanity was destroyed because of a guy not wanting some girl to die. I on't disagree that she also wanted revenge, but I feel like that's not the whole picture.
@@lfpt21 Idk difference of opinion most ppl enjoyed the story others didn't why not let someone enjoy it instead.of saying "jeez why would you do that to yourself"
@@marcomarco6834 because I have an open mind I guess. I hated Abby at first but then I realized A) she's justified in what she's doing B) she's pretty well written character C) the narrative is actually done well(besides pacing and coincidences) I mean you're free to judge how you want but don't come at someone like that that's not cool dude
@@Blaze-ce7jc Agreed. Best story I’ve ever had the pleasure of experiencing! I was already on my third playthrough by the second week after it was released.
I played this game countless times and I didn't know this and almost at every playthrough I discover something new. The same applies to the first game. These games man, the little details. These things make a great game.
his hospitality and how she reacts when she finds out his name, in spite of all of his good deeds. heartbreaking, it shows what happens when he got used to a calmer, more stable world in jackson. but was then reintroduced to the reality
@@thejsffenix6365 how in the world would they think that exactly the girl they just saved is looking to kill them soecifically . It was bad luck , get over it . Doesn’t matter if Joel was a veteran or not
@@thejsffenix6365 the thing is not about trust, Joel shows being uncomfortable around those people but he has not other option but to stay, they just saved his life but still keeps distante . Is tommy that always showed to be less rough who ends up saying his name . And even then , saying a name doesn’t mean being a bad survivor , their situation was really specific and BAD LUCK. Sorry if u feel like it was bad writing but tbh that whole sequence never felt out of character for them , specially since Joel and Tommy have been in Jacksonville for years and have no way of knowing their looking for him
@@thejsffenix6365 the thing is not about trust, Joel shows being uncomfortable around those people but he has not other option but to stay, they just saved his life but still keeps distante . Is tommy that always showed to be less rough who ends up saying his name . And even then , saying a name doesn’t mean being a bad survivor , their situation was really specific and BAD LUCK. Sorry if u feel like it was bad writing but tbh that whole sequence never felt out of character for them , specially since Joel and Tommy have been in Jacksonville for years and have no way of knowing their looking for him
@@Samuel-zd6cjYou're the one who has to get over the fact that Joel died because he was a Straight White Man, and neil cuckman doesn't like Straight White Men. And if this damn "game" wasn't called TLOU2, he wouldn't win half of what he got, and Joel didn't soften up, he says this at the end of the game: "I would do everything the same". Even Tommy demonstrates his full potential during the game, the Miller brothers are not as weak as you think.
Joel became a truly kind and caring man. Being in the safety and security of Jackson made him more calm and relaxed. When Ellie was angry at him he didn’t argue he just waited until Ellie was able to forgive him. Joel had found and saved many people in the outskirts of Jackson and became more trusting towards people and more optimistic. We lost Joel when he was the kindest version of himself. RIP Joel. My favourite character.
Yeah, I really don’t know why people got so mad saying that his death didn’t make sense when the game makes clear that he changed with the time he lived in Jackson
The fact that Joel spent 4 years in Jackson means nothing compared to the 20 years he spent in Apocalypse, in fact the fact that he is without a safe community should be even more reason for him not to trust anyone, he needs to be careful and protect the place, he was extremely skilled and knew how to recognize traps, he was initially hesitant to trust Henry in the first game, he only trusted because he was a person he could easily get rid of and because his younger brother, Sam, posed no threat . In the case of Abby and her friends, it was very convenient, Joel and Tommy didn't ask what they were doing so close to Jackson, they didn't even suspect anything, Joel wouldn't be in the center of a room in the middle of strangers, he wouldn't trust blindly that they were good people, he would certainly be much more suspicious, talk less and listen more. Before you say that Tommy was softer than Joel, remember everything he did right after Joel's death, he was really determined and was perfectly capable of killing Abby and all her friends, and both Tommy and Joel said : "I wouldn't do it differently if I could", the game itself contradicts itself and proves my point, the fact is that Joel only died because the script said he had to die, even if the way it happened didn't make sense to his character. And to make matters worse, director Neil Cuckman already had the idea of having Joel murdered by a woman since the first game, there is concept art where Tess is torturing Joel in a chair, he only did this because he is in favor of leftist agendas, and he hates straight white men, he hates everything Joel stands for, that's why he killed him.
@@miguelarcanjodossantosmore5564 Before Joel entered the room he had only 2 choices, get eaten by the horde of infected or risk it and go along with Abby. The 4 years he spent were meningful even if compared to the 20 years, because he spent those 4 years knowing that Ellie was fine and he ragained a sense of meaning in his life, even when their relationship deteriorated. Tommy was softer than Joel before he died: he was disgusted by what Joel made him do and tried to be better, he reversed to be more violent only after his brother's death. He might also have been fine with saving Abby because unlike the time he made Tommy drive away, abbandoning the family in need for help at the start of the outbreak, his daughter wasn't with him this time, meaning that she wasn't at risk, unlike Sarah back then. "he hates straight white men, he hates everything Joel stands for" bait used to be believable: Druckman himself his a straight white man, and if you really thought Joel just "stood for" being a white dude that likes chicks, you would have been kinda cringe.
They kept her reasoning vague enough so that you could feel like Ellie who also didn’t have all the information. At the same time, the player and Ellie are both well aware as to why Joel was murdered, it’s just that she and the player don’t care or willfully ignore everything until confronted with what you already know to be the case, because you were both hurt, and that’s all that mattered.
I think your thought is way better. Or at least they could leave Jackson prologue as it was, where Abby & Manny infiltrate Jackson as a couple of lost people, we get to know them better, they get to know Joel better, give Abby some kind of dilemma and THEN kill Joel. It would be better in my opinion. No shock value and at least seeing her hesitate a bit would make her a whole lot likable than she is.
Honestly I really like the way it is in the game, the mystery when you first play as her, and then she kills Joel, you see Abby the same way Ellie does, but then the game makes you play as her, normally people wouldn't like it, but after her father's death, its shocking and you start to see her side, why she wanted to kill Joel, how that affected her and her redemption arc, the final fight was hard for me and many people, cause I ended up loving both characters
@@viniciusribeiro7279 Pretty much how I felt when first playing. But I feel the Ellie and Abby scenarios coulda been restructured in tandem. Play Ellie Day 1 first. Abby Day 1 next. So forth. Rather than starting the three days over with Abby after Ellie. Kind of a stretch.
If there is a part three i just hope that it dosent make me uncomfortable like when abby is attacking ellie in the theater i nearly stopped playing because it just feels so wrong (Ps:plz dont start another argument) :)
I always wondered how the story would have turned out if abby didn't come across Joel and his brother or if she knew what he looked like if she came apon a crowd of people in figuring out which one is Joel and I bet she would have had a hell of time finding him to have her revenge and I bet the story would have taken a turned for worst
I feel like even if you didn't enjoy the story you can still appreciate little details like this and praise the game for what it does well. I thought the story was kinda meh mainly due to pacing issues and the gameplay really didn't innovate off the first one much but the art design, voice acting, presentation, attention to detail and all that were fantastic and deserve credit.
Gameplay was the biggest change little things like going prone and smarter ai was pretty cool too bad the story was lacking took way to long and there were 2 sex scenes for no reason the first game was amazing no sex not even sexualization of characters is was about survival hope and humanity
They would be a badass team with Ellie. I don't like how the story turned out, but it is still an amazing game and despite all that the story itself does not deserve that much hate.
The same happens when you get stuck on that retail with Nora:when you pull her up so she can do that parkour to open the door,if you don't see her doing it,she will point it out and giggle
I feel ya. I'm on the neutral side when it comes to games from Naughty Dog, and that is mainly from the decisions Neil Druckman's been making lately. To me, it feels like he hates the majority of Naughty Dog fans just because they hate or even disagree with him on his work. It's a very odd and toxic relationship between gamers and game developers and I'm not getting involved with any of that shiz. Regardless, I feel good learning about incredible details in games no matter where they came from. Part 2 wasn't even dark enough for me though despite having only witnessed Jackscepticeye's playthrough of the game. I legitimately wanted to see Ellie spiral into madness.
They shouldve marketed it better. You cant have people wait 7 years to play with these characters again and then give us a completely different character who also kills the previous one on her introduction. Obviously it got hated.
@@Pedro_Le_Chef i waited so many years for this game to come out and i hate myself for playing it, it does have great graphic's and combat, but plot.......uh..no
@@Pedro_Le_Chef They even had Joel in scenes in trailers that he's not even in because he's dead by that point. Like when someone grabs Ellie from behind and she says "What are you doing here?" trailers it was Joel, game it was Jesse. Made me not trust Naughty Dog... its false advertising in a way.
It really makes me think how much better the game would’ve been if the story played out something like: - Abby goes on her revenge mission - Abby’s group abandons her - Abby is forced to live with Joel, Ellie and Tommy to survive - She gradually realizes that Joel isn’t the monster she thought he was All the finer details would be up to the writers and developers but I think that outline could’ve led to a much more satisfying experience.
Satisfying experience for who? Nintendogs players? I don't think "satisfying experience" was what they were going for anyways, what you described sounds like utter garbage... Hate to shit on your suggestion but respectfully, you could have at the very least come up with a plot concept that isn't a bedtime story. 🥱
Except Joel was a monster, just a monster that happened to care for Ellie. Don't get me wrong I adore Joel, but overall Joel is an extremely shitty person and Abby was in the right for getting revenge and killing him. Let's not act like Joel is actually a good guy who deserved a happy life, it was only a matter of time before Karma caught up, and that karma was Abby, the daughter of the doctor he killed because he was selfish.
@@nyxislost553 Joel wasn't a monster doing what you have to do to survive is not being a monster, most sane people would have done what Joel did if they were in the same circumstance killing the doctor was not selfish either, put it in your perspective would you willingly sacrifice your child for the chance not the certainty that doing so would cure cancer.
@@Sam-mw4lh Killing the doctor was absolutely selfish, let's not pretend that Joel is some scientist and knows the ins and outs of medicine or knew that there was a chance the cure might not work. He would have done the same thing even if there was a 100% chance of it working. He saved Ellie out of selfishness, and took away a little girl's father because of his selfish behavior. A father who was doing nothing wrong besides trying to do his best to save the world, and a little girl who was expecting her father to return home that day, only to find out that not only was her father killed, but the man who killed him took away the girl who was the only chance Humanity had to get rid of the infection. Joel was a terrible and selfish person THEN, when she finally finds the man who killed her father and gets revenge, now Ellie is out there killing everyone she cares about. Abby was nowhere near in the wrong, she was wronged by both Joel and Ellie, everything she did was entirely reactive.
It makes me so mad that he legit saved her life and she IMMEDIATELY killed him. Like didnt even have a second thought ab it even tho he saved a random stranger he could have just left
I’m SO not mad at this story, and I absolutely Stan this game but I SO wish it went differently. Like imagine if Abby didn’t know his name-cuz he killed like everyone-and she befriended Ellie and Joel. And Abby tells Ellie about her father but Ellie says nothing, then at the very end of the game Abby finds out, just like Ellie found out, what Joel did. Then she kills Joel at the end, setting up a third game where you’ve been through so much with Abby but now she has to die. I would’ve loved that so much. More Joel, less depression.
@@walkingdragonball6974 no way, Abby was incredibly unsympathetic & ellie had no problems killing a bunch of people who got in her way, but when it came to her revenge she didn't, I understand the point but it makes no sense, the gameplay was the only improvement, part 2 had terrible writing and pacing especially, Joel & ellie dealing with Henry & Sam in the 1st game had WAY more emotional impact than ABBY getting plowed in the Ass by OWEN, it's honestly disgraceful & most of the fans think so
I love breakdowns of the design of these games meant to curate your experience in a very specific way at every moment and how they do or do not account for X thing a player could do.
When I was playing this part myselr, when Joel said "Well I hope you're a good shot", I said. "I'm not! I wasn't a good shot when I was controlling you either, Joel!"
That whole scene felt like Tommy said this: "I'm Tommy Miller, that's my brother Joel Miller, you should have seen it when he shot up that hospitals full of doctors; it was crazy! Hey, can I trust you with this shotgun, Abby?"
Ellie did the same thing to her. Cuts her down a pole, helps her and Lev get to the boats and then seeks out revenge while Abby is vulnerable and has no ill-will anymore against Ellie killing her friends.
I like it when games acknowledge what the player does or when the player already has something. it makes it feel more real. or just funny in some cases
I played this game and was heart broken by the story when it first came out. I loved the story it jsut made me feel so much sadness. I still don’t think I’m emotionally stable to re play, any advice ?
Naughty Dog designs the greatest details in the industry hands down. However, while they exceed in realism, they lack in world building/game mechanics. That's not to mean that TLOU2 didn't have a beautiful nightmare of a world that we could see, or the mechanics aren't fun. I mean they make their games way too linear & the mechanics are forced to be used so constantly that it gets boring/played out. I'd love to see Naughty Dog team up with a company like Square Enix or another that is decent at designing massive open worlds & more fluent melee combat. Could you imagine how amazing a open world zombie game that looks & feels like TLOU2 would be? Regions that hold specific types of infected due to the elements. Cities with tons of buildings to explore. Maybe have a build your own town/fort type of system and recruit npc's to defend it against hordes & people. That would be dope.
“I mean they make their games way too linear & the mechanics are forced to be used so constantly that it gets boring/played out.” Can you expound on this? Any examples?
I haven’t played the game, but the biggest reason is that it doesn’t feel the same. What my favorite part and most iconic bit about the first game was the joel and ellie duo, to take that away in the second game makes you feel as if you’re playing some spinoff game like Uncharted Lost Legacy
A take that I never hear is in the grand scheme... if Abby isn't here, both Tommy and Joel die by this horde. So it doesn't matter that Abby kills Joel, either way he would've died this day. You helped them escape.
Tlou 2 is one of my favorite games, I know a lot of people hate on this game because of the story (which in my opinion the story is great) but people can have differents opinions than me and this is fine, but to say a game with details like this is trash is simply lying
I agree with you 100% for me it's better than the first honestly. I just finished it again yesterday. And amazed by such great storytelling. I love the seeking revenge from both Abbey and Ellie and this last go around I found myself sympathizing more for Abbey. I love the constant dread in this game and at any minute things go wrong. It's an edge of your seat playthrough and anyone who disliked it the first time I recommend sitting down and playing again. Set aside your beliefs and politics and really immerse yourself in this game.
The "sequence" part in this game are very well produced, even though script got it's lobotomized moments, but that they have no spare mechanic, even though the dialog and the theme basically force you to consider it... what and insane, theme collapsing oversight.
yeah, its a game where you aren't really meant to be making choices. Ellie and Abby make choices, and you just watch them make those choices. Story-wise, it is a movie. you just happen to play a mediocre shooter/survival game in between plot points. so there is no spare mechanic because allie and abby aren't going to spare anyone, and if the player tries to deviate from that script, then the game punishes you for it by having the enemies refuse to accept being spared.
@@lrsb1678 No, I mean literal in-game stuff. They had a function that made enemies surrender. But guess what: They actually can't. They will either literally flop over and die or just pull out a gun from nowhere. The inability to make their theme work is terminal and goes from minute to minute gameplay to major story arc. It's well produced and acted, but the game is amazingly shallow.
I think originally Joel asked her "you know how to use that thing?" but it was changed because modern society cannot bear the crippling "s3xism" of a joke. It might've not been this scene but he definitely said something along those lines
I like how Joel and Tommy literally saved Abby's life but as soon as she heard their names she just completely forgot that she would've died a terrible death if it wasn't for them and then proceeds to torture and kill the man that saved her life. She didn't hesitate or rethink anything. Bad writing if I say so myself.
Humans do horrible shit driven by emotions all the time, even extremely unjustified stuff like this. Its not bad writing, its realistic, its just that its very unsatisfying to see.
@@smoker5989 nah honestly that’s a slap In the face homie. The game was good the story just could’ve been written better. It’s okay for Joel to die but why so early in the game
Man, people who watch the show and have never played or know anything about the games are gonna be pissed, watching their beloved pedro just die like a fkn side character is gonna hurt. I kind of wish they just made a movie out of the first game and ignored the second games existence, but sadly they have already said that the 2nd season is going to be based on the 2nd game.
I wish they put this much effort in the story. I'm sure the gameplay and detail is amazing but fuck. I couldn't get through to enjoy the gameplay because the story and dialogue in general are boring imo. The last of us had weaker gameplay in comparison but I got through that like 7 times
@@AstraAnima So, what do you mean by "wrong" (with no capitalization)? Are you saying that you "LOVE LOVE LOVE" this game? Are you saying that you don't sympathize with this dude's experience with TLOU2 in comparison to the first game? NEWS FLASH: there is more than one side to every story. You like it, he does not. Some people believe in Jesus while others believe in devil worship. Some believe YHWY is a good single deity who can do no wrong while others think YHWY is a network of consciousness that throws crap together just for their amusement (I mean, isn't that what the whole we exist to give the Lord pleasure means? Not the alternative?). I don't give a flipping Lucifer about these unnecessary comments from single minded simpletons like you who can't give a proper civilized discussion of any kind, orally nor written, to save your own life from John Kramer himself. People like you are excessive in numbers and infuriatingly blunt. One of the elements of this stupid game is to be open-minded about other people's situation and UNDERSTAND them. You don't even have to like or agree with them at the end of it. You're too small-minded to broaden your horizons to connect the game's message to real life. I hate the game's story but I get the message/elements and can appreciate the work Druckman's slaves were put through for it's details. Now pull your eyeballs out of your thick skull and go read a book or something. If you can't commit to sharing ideas with another fellow human you've never even met before than why waste the time, energy, and data on the mega-servers by leaving an improper response. (Wanted to elaborate more here and there, however I'm on a time limit so this is what ya get.) I hope you've learned something today from this. If not-well- I guess nothing truly matters when we exist solely for One else's entertainment, right?
@@2in1ziggi the main selling point of The Last of Us 1 was the relationship between Joel and Ellie. Outside of that it was a generic zombie shooter with poor controls, but that story and character is what made it special. As soon as that selling point was removed, it lost 90% of the reason why I loved the franchise. The first game was dark but had a hopeful theme throughout. The second was oppressive and depressing. They made a sequel for a completely different target audience to the first game, it’s no wonder so many people hated it (not to mention the awful story structure).
@@2in1ziggi elaborate? A game about pointless revenge that ends with a moralistic point of view? The previous game was amazing because it was about survival not just some emotional ride on killing people.
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also notice how joel picks up items on the table as he's talking with Tommy and Abby like he normally does when you're playing as him lol
Bro, you just blew my mind!!! 😱🥲🥲
holy hell never realized that
that's some insane level of attention to detail
I saw Lev doing that when I was playing as Abby the other day, he just picked up some bottle from a table when we were exploring. I didn't realize our companions could do that! Maybe I should watch them more closely
@@marble_drawer i just know Jesse doesn't do that since he died quick
Joel: “You good with that gun”
Abby: “yea”
shoots him in the knee*
But it was a different gun
@@ameerk5677 stfu ?
@@slowwagon1491 he right tho?
@@lake7772 Totally different scene too.
CAPTAIN DEAADD POO-OOL!!!,
NAH!, JUST DEADPOOL!!!
This Joel guy is great, I sure do hope nothing bad happens to him.
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I know right! I bought this game just to play as Joel I’m so hype!!!
Boy I got news for you
He dies
@@Noisyhyperman bruh u can’t tell sarcasm I know he was joking no need to woosh me
His dialogue also changes weather or not shes holding a golf club.
lol
I’M-
Too soon 😔
Yeah.. never noticed that before..
Hilarious
Tired comment. Grow up.
"You good with that gun?"
"Yea."
*me proceeding to miss every shot.
It’s the little details man
I remember the first time I had an enemy beg for their life and I hesitated, I genuinely didn't know what to do, it was uncomfortable and I gave them the option to run but she just went for her gun. One of those gamer moments ill never forget.
@@BooN877 still imagine if you gave them the option to go and not come back and they actually run away that would be so cool they should have put that in the game
@@robingaming55 pretty sure that one or two of them half run or die anyways, but it would have been cool to have more encounters like that
@@robingaming55 ghost of tsushima, u can cut someones head off midfight and terrify their surrounding friendlies to where they just run away
@@wetgoggles True - and there's an achievement for shooting them in the back with an arrow as they run away...
Ah yes, i can see that Abby and Joel are gonna become some good friends
Maybe they should play golf together?
@@nooooplease7060 LMAO
@@nooooplease7060 and invite their friends and family
@@nooooplease7060 abby is a good golfer, indeed
@@nooooplease7060 maybe even Ellie and Abbys friends can watch too!
Also! When Abby and Lev are making their way through the Scar island in Seattle and are surrounded by the WLF, they can either stealth their way through or not. Lev’s dialogue after changes depending on what choices the player made. If Abby killed many wolves, Lev will say: ”Abby... You killed those wolves.”
If Abby only kills one wolf, Lev will say: ”Abby, you killed _that_ wolf.”
If she kills none, Lev will say nothing. I thought it was kinda cool.
What is this stealth you speak of
there are people that can stealth through that section???
th-cam.com/video/QLo_TIoS-Do/w-d-xo.html I assume you mean this clip
Yeah I didn't kill a single wolf.
Just kept on running.
@@bb_01997 I did. Until the very end where the lodges were. But for most of it yes.
Little details like this are why I love this game
Any game that has this kind of attention to detail deserves praise
Too bad the story sucked ass, u can blame druckman for that
@@kcoose5356 bitch the story did not suck at all-- learn both perspectives and the meaning of empathy
@@kcoose5356 i blame him for the shitty story in part 1. This one actually had an intelligently written story. And Druckman has been working for Naughty Dog since Uncharted 1 was in development hes not new and he was one of the reasons they became so successful after Jak and Daxter
@@Reelfilms1998 everything you said is so factually incorrect,almost all of the staff that worked on the uncharted and tlou1 games left in 2016 after uncharted 4,hence only druckmann was left and he got to hold all the keys for TLOU2 which turned out to be a trainwreck.
@@SuperLari1234 its not factually incorrect i know because Naughty Dog are my
Favorite devs of all time and ive been a die hard fan for well over 10 years. The one main woman that left was Amy Henning and Uncharted 4 gave a special thanks to her for working on the series over the years even tho she didn't work on Uncharted 4 so that was still written mainly by Druckman and it was by far the best written Uncharted game. Niel made part 2 miles better than the sorry excuse for a story that is TLOU(2013)
something interesting - I saw this video and went through this section in my new game plus with abby holding her gun out. however, the first dialogue still played, with joel asking abby if she had a gun. I realized that I had moved into the next room too quickly and obscured Joel's vision, leading to him not being able to see that abby had a gun. incredible game
That’s insane
nice pfp
Or uh... or you didn't do it right
@@christopherterzakos6118 what's there not to do right lmao, you either hold the gun or not
It could have either been that, or just that the game is programmed so you only get the response when holding the default pistol. If you had other guns out it might have not triggered the dialogue.
"You good with that gun?"
"Nah, I'm good with a golf club though"
Extremely original joke.
@@infinityblablabla I wouldn't say it's original, it came to me in my dream when I was Joel.
@@GrandmaNUT absolutely original inspiration then.
hahahahaha
@@infinityblablabla extremely original response too
watched this just to hear Joel 😭
Yeah papa Joel 💔💔💔💔😢
technically to hear Troy Baker
@@realmimak
Who plays Joel...
Hes sexy!!!!
@@mercury8369 wow chill
still so weird seeing abby and joel in the same scenes
Yah..
Both voice actor did voice act in another game where both works together called tales from the borderlands so that's interesting
@@bluebucket703 they also worked in Batman and Uncharted together
@@hsd287 they are also both potential character voices for your boss in Saints Row 3 & 4
@@ScottishScrub they just recently worked again in Stray Gods 😂
I wonder if Joel and Abby actually saw eye to eye at the hospital, he'd recognize her and maybe feel bad about what he did to her dad?
I feel so, yes.
I think he would definitly bad for her but he would've still killed her father since he was a threat to Ellie
@@uchiwamadara4614 Coulda knocked him out too.
@@uchiwamadara4614 A threat that was necessary to save the world and that Elli wanted and Marlene authorized.
@@Lilhajxjk274 a cure that wasn’t a guarantee and even if they made a cure it wouldn’t make a difference
Great game, but everytime I go through this scene I just start thinking on how Abby stuck to her wish of revenge after Joel straight up saved her from this mess.
Ellie? He was saved still wanted revenge. And she lost Dina who was tired from this shit. The same goes to Mel and Abby
Facts
Bad writing.
@@DialloMoore503 not bad writing. abby was driven by revenge. just because joel saved her didn’t mean that she automatically stopped being driven by her need for revenge. in fact, it probably made her want to kill him more
@@AlexSmith-vs1bd I find "revenge" a bit stale. Not just revenge, but justice. In her eyes the fate of humanity was destroyed because of a guy not wanting some girl to die. I on't disagree that she also wanted revenge, but I feel like that's not the whole picture.
I’ve replayed this game 3 times now and still find new little details like every playthrough
Jesus how could you bear going through that story 3 times, even if the gameplay is fun and has small details like these lmao
@@lfpt21 Idk difference of opinion most ppl enjoyed the story others didn't why not let someone enjoy it instead.of saying "jeez why would you do that to yourself"
@@Blaze-ce7jc but why tho...
@@marcomarco6834 because I have an open mind I guess. I hated Abby at first but then I realized A) she's justified in what she's doing
B) she's pretty well written character
C) the narrative is actually done well(besides pacing and coincidences) I mean you're free to judge how you want but don't come at someone like that that's not cool dude
@@Blaze-ce7jc Agreed. Best story I’ve ever had the pleasure of experiencing!
I was already on my third playthrough by the second week after it was released.
These three seem to have great chemistry already, can’t wait to see where their friendship goes!
I played this game countless times and I didn't know this and almost at every playthrough I discover something new. The same applies to the first game. These games man, the little details. These things make a great game.
It’s the little things. This is one of the reasons why Naughty Dog is my favorite game studio.
Definitely my favorite
Too sad the story was garbage
@@Pana_Kanel nah
@@Pana_Kanel for you
ahahah yes 😂.... Rockstar > Nd
his hospitality and how she reacts when she finds out his name, in spite of all of his good deeds. heartbreaking, it shows what happens when he got used to a calmer, more stable world in jackson. but was then reintroduced to the reality
@@thejsffenix6365 how in the world would they think that exactly the girl they just saved is looking to kill them soecifically . It was bad luck , get over it . Doesn’t matter if Joel was a veteran or not
@@thejsffenix6365 the thing is not about trust, Joel shows being uncomfortable around those people but he has not other option but to stay, they just saved his life but still keeps distante . Is tommy that always showed to be less rough who ends up saying his name . And even then , saying a name doesn’t mean being a bad survivor , their situation was really specific and BAD LUCK.
Sorry if u feel like it was bad writing but tbh that whole sequence never felt out of character for them , specially since Joel and Tommy have been in Jacksonville for years and have no way of knowing their looking for him
@@thejsffenix6365 the thing is not about trust, Joel shows being uncomfortable around those people but he has not other option but to stay, they just saved his life but still keeps distante . Is tommy that always showed to be less rough who ends up saying his name . And even then , saying a name doesn’t mean being a bad survivor , their situation was really specific and BAD LUCK.
Sorry if u feel like it was bad writing but tbh that whole sequence never felt out of character for them , specially since Joel and Tommy have been in Jacksonville for years and have no way of knowing their looking for him
game never once suggests this
@@Samuel-zd6cjYou're the one who has to get over the fact that Joel died because he was a Straight White Man, and neil cuckman doesn't like Straight White Men.
And if this damn "game" wasn't called TLOU2, he wouldn't win half of what he got, and Joel didn't soften up, he says this at the end of the game: "I would do everything the same".
Even Tommy demonstrates his full potential during the game, the Miller brothers are not as weak as you think.
omg i love watching him loot
Joel became a truly kind and caring man. Being in the safety and security of Jackson made him more calm and relaxed. When Ellie was angry at him he didn’t argue he just waited until Ellie was able to forgive him.
Joel had found and saved many people in the outskirts of Jackson and became more trusting towards people and more optimistic. We lost Joel when he was the kindest version of himself.
RIP Joel. My favourite character.
Yeah, I really don’t know why people got so mad saying that his death didn’t make sense when the game makes clear that he changed with the time he lived in Jackson
The fact that Joel spent 4 years in Jackson means nothing compared to the 20 years he spent in Apocalypse, in fact the fact that he is without a safe community should be even more reason for him not to trust anyone, he needs to be careful and protect the place, he was extremely skilled and knew how to recognize traps, he was initially hesitant to trust Henry in the first game, he only trusted because he was a person he could easily get rid of and because his younger brother, Sam, posed no threat .
In the case of Abby and her friends, it was very convenient, Joel and Tommy didn't ask what they were doing so close to Jackson, they didn't even suspect anything, Joel wouldn't be in the center of a room in the middle of strangers, he wouldn't trust blindly that they were good people, he would certainly be much more suspicious, talk less and listen more.
Before you say that Tommy was softer than Joel, remember everything he did right after Joel's death, he was really determined and was perfectly capable of killing Abby and all her friends, and both Tommy and Joel said : "I wouldn't do it differently if I could", the game itself contradicts itself and proves my point, the fact is that Joel only died because the script said he had to die, even if the way it happened didn't make sense to his character.
And to make matters worse, director Neil Cuckman already had the idea of having Joel murdered by a woman since the first game, there is concept art where Tess is torturing Joel in a chair, he only did this because he is in favor of leftist agendas, and he hates straight white men, he hates everything Joel stands for, that's why he killed him.
@@miguelarcanjodossantosmore5564 Before Joel entered the room he had only 2 choices, get eaten by the horde of infected or risk it and go along with Abby. The 4 years he spent were meningful even if compared to the 20 years, because he spent those 4 years knowing that Ellie was fine and he ragained a sense of meaning in his life, even when their relationship deteriorated. Tommy was softer than Joel before he died: he was disgusted by what Joel made him do and tried to be better, he reversed to be more violent only after his brother's death. He might also have been fine with saving Abby because unlike the time he made Tommy drive away, abbandoning the family in need for help at the start of the outbreak, his daughter wasn't with him this time, meaning that she wasn't at risk, unlike Sarah back then.
"he hates straight white men, he hates everything Joel stands for" bait used to be believable: Druckman himself his a straight white man, and if you really thought Joel just "stood for" being a white dude that likes chicks, you would have been kinda cringe.
I also wonder if the game had opened with Abby at Salt Lake as the prologue, it woulda been easier for players to sympathize with her character?
They kept her reasoning vague enough so that you could feel like Ellie who also didn’t have all the information. At the same time, the player and Ellie are both well aware as to why Joel was murdered, it’s just that she and the player don’t care or willfully ignore everything until confronted with what you already know to be the case, because you were both hurt, and that’s all that mattered.
I think your thought is way better. Or at least they could leave Jackson prologue as it was, where Abby & Manny infiltrate Jackson as a couple of lost people, we get to know them better, they get to know Joel better, give Abby some kind of dilemma and THEN kill Joel. It would be better in my opinion. No shock value and at least seeing her hesitate a bit would make her a whole lot likable than she is.
Honestly I really like the way it is in the game, the mystery when you first play as her, and then she kills Joel, you see Abby the same way Ellie does, but then the game makes you play as her, normally people wouldn't like it, but after her father's death, its shocking and you start to see her side, why she wanted to kill Joel, how that affected her and her redemption arc, the final fight was hard for me and many people, cause I ended up loving both characters
The game wants u to feel ellies rage. Then later as well play through abbys shoes so ur conflicted
@@viniciusribeiro7279 Pretty much how I felt when first playing. But I feel the Ellie and Abby scenarios coulda been restructured in tandem. Play Ellie Day 1 first. Abby Day 1 next. So forth. Rather than starting the three days over with Abby after Ellie. Kind of a stretch.
Wow, Joel is so nice, caring for Abby, I sure hope nothing bad happens to him
Too bad he wasn’t nice in the massacre
I can’t believe it, those little details are admirable, i though RDR2 was aweasome with details but this is mind-blowing
Rockstar and naughty dog are the only games I will buy day one. So much effort goes into there games 👌
rdr2 had way more than tlou2
In proportion TLOU2 has more
@@lordpersius0322 i agree with the random guy
@@lordpersius0322 no
I wish the writers put as much effort as the designers
0:41 Little did Joel know she was better with a golf club.
I just saw this exact comment underneath yours, except a year before this one
Joel: You good with that gun?
Abby: I’m better with a golf club!
It’s the small details that make the gaming experience more immersive.
Joel: You good with that gun?
Abby in her mind: Wait and you'll see
This Joel Miller guy is great, I really hope they don’t massacre my boy.
"Are you good with a Gun?"
"Yeah but you sould see me in Action with a Golf Club."
Something tells me that she's also got experience using shotguns.
One of the best gaming experiences of my life, but an experience I could never ever relive again. Hoping there's a part 3.
Oh hell no
@@jaylinwebb993 awwww YES
If there is a part three i just hope that it dosent make me uncomfortable like when abby is attacking ellie in the theater i nearly stopped playing because it just feels so wrong
(Ps:plz dont start another argument) :)
@@andrewp1653 it will feel like they're milking it and there would be no story
No please...
I like the attention to detail in this game
I feel like this is the blossoming of a beautiful relationship.
I think they might play golf together
I always wondered how the story would have turned out if abby didn't come across Joel and his brother or if she knew what he looked like if she came apon a crowd of people in figuring out which one is Joel and I bet she would have had a hell of time finding him to have her revenge and I bet the story would have taken a turned for worst
This Joel guy looks so fit, and is a good fighter, he may live a long life
I feel like even if you didn't enjoy the story you can still appreciate little details like this and praise the game for what it does well. I thought the story was kinda meh mainly due to pacing issues and the gameplay really didn't innovate off the first one much but the art design, voice acting, presentation, attention to detail and all that were fantastic and deserve credit.
I mean tall grass and going prone is super handy
@@HProtagVtuber I hope the part I remake has this
@@russman3787 same
I'd be damned if it went anywhere.
Gameplay was the biggest change little things like going prone and smarter ai was pretty cool too bad the story was lacking took way to long and there were 2 sex scenes for no reason the first game was amazing no sex not even sexualization of characters is was about survival hope and humanity
They would be a badass team with Ellie. I don't like how the story turned out, but it is still an amazing game and despite all that the story itself does not deserve that much hate.
Ok it's really hard to see Joel and Abby getting along without his head getting shattered into a million pieces 😭😭😭
It’s been 2 years and I still learn details about this game
The same happens when you get stuck on that retail with Nora:when you pull her up so she can do that parkour to open the door,if you don't see her doing it,she will point it out and giggle
I didn't notice that detail, man naughty dogg has pit so much into a game that got hated for joels death and much more
I feel ya. I'm on the neutral side when it comes to games from Naughty Dog, and that is mainly from the decisions Neil Druckman's been making lately. To me, it feels like he hates the majority of Naughty Dog fans just because they hate or even disagree with him on his work. It's a very odd and toxic relationship between gamers and game developers and I'm not getting involved with any of that shiz.
Regardless, I feel good learning about incredible details in games no matter where they came from.
Part 2 wasn't even dark enough for me though despite having only witnessed Jackscepticeye's playthrough of the game. I legitimately wanted to see Ellie spiral into madness.
They shouldve marketed it better. You cant have people wait 7 years to play with these characters again and then give us a completely different character who also kills the previous one on her introduction. Obviously it got hated.
@@Pedro_Le_Chef i waited so many years for this game to come out and i hate myself for playing it, it does have great graphic's and combat, but plot.......uh..no
@@Pedro_Le_Chef They even had Joel in scenes in trailers that he's not even in because he's dead by that point. Like when someone grabs Ellie from behind and she says "What are you doing here?" trailers it was Joel, game it was Jesse.
Made me not trust Naughty Dog... its false advertising in a way.
This is the best game I've ever played. It may not be my favourite, but still
I've replayed this I don't know how many times and I never realized that. Pretty neat detail
It really makes me think how much better the game would’ve been if the story played out something like:
- Abby goes on her revenge mission
- Abby’s group abandons her
- Abby is forced to live with Joel, Ellie and Tommy to survive
- She gradually realizes that Joel isn’t the monster she thought he was
All the finer details would be up to the writers and developers but I think that outline could’ve led to a much more satisfying experience.
Satisfying experience for who? Nintendogs players? I don't think "satisfying experience" was what they were going for anyways, what you described sounds like utter garbage...
Hate to shit on your suggestion but respectfully, you could have at the very least come up with a plot concept that isn't a bedtime story. 🥱
Except Joel was a monster, just a monster that happened to care for Ellie. Don't get me wrong I adore Joel, but overall Joel is an extremely shitty person and Abby was in the right for getting revenge and killing him. Let's not act like Joel is actually a good guy who deserved a happy life, it was only a matter of time before Karma caught up, and that karma was Abby, the daughter of the doctor he killed because he was selfish.
@@nyxislost553 Jerry would have done the same thing had abby been the one on the operating table
@@nyxislost553 Joel wasn't a monster doing what you have to do to survive is not being a monster, most sane people would have done what Joel did if they were in the same circumstance killing the doctor was not selfish either, put it in your perspective would you willingly sacrifice your child for the chance not the certainty that doing so would cure cancer.
@@Sam-mw4lh Killing the doctor was absolutely selfish, let's not pretend that Joel is some scientist and knows the ins and outs of medicine or knew that there was a chance the cure might not work. He would have done the same thing even if there was a 100% chance of it working. He saved Ellie out of selfishness, and took away a little girl's father because of his selfish behavior. A father who was doing nothing wrong besides trying to do his best to save the world, and a little girl who was expecting her father to return home that day, only to find out that not only was her father killed, but the man who killed him took away the girl who was the only chance Humanity had to get rid of the infection. Joel was a terrible and selfish person
THEN, when she finally finds the man who killed her father and gets revenge, now Ellie is out there killing everyone she cares about.
Abby was nowhere near in the wrong, she was wronged by both Joel and Ellie, everything she did was entirely reactive.
It makes me so mad that he legit saved her life and she IMMEDIATELY killed him. Like didnt even have a second thought ab it even tho he saved a random stranger he could have just left
I’m SO not mad at this story, and I absolutely Stan this game but I SO wish it went differently. Like imagine if Abby didn’t know his name-cuz he killed like everyone-and she befriended Ellie and Joel. And Abby tells Ellie about her father but Ellie says nothing, then at the very end of the game Abby finds out, just like Ellie found out, what Joel did. Then she kills Joel at the end, setting up a third game where you’ve been through so much with Abby but now she has to die. I would’ve loved that so much. More Joel, less depression.
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This was a great game and I hope years from now, the people who did not play it for whatever reason give it a chance.
First game just had wayyy better writing ✍ compared to part 2
@@nomadjoker2760 Oh hell no. Part 2's writing is way deeper and just better.
@@walkingdragonball6974 nop
@@walkingdragonball6974 no way, Abby was incredibly unsympathetic & ellie had no problems killing a bunch of people who got in her way, but when it came to her revenge she didn't, I understand the point but it makes no sense, the gameplay was the only improvement, part 2 had terrible writing and pacing especially, Joel & ellie dealing with Henry & Sam in the 1st game had WAY more emotional impact than ABBY getting plowed in the Ass by OWEN, it's honestly disgraceful & most of the fans think so
@@nomadjoker2760 You don't understand anything. It's just your personally opinion.
And most of the fans thinks it's a great Game. But nice try.
Joel: “You good with that gun?”
Abby: “yeah, but i´m better with a golf club”
Joel: "what?"
I love breakdowns of the design of these games meant to curate your experience in a very specific way at every moment and how they do or do not account for X thing a player could do.
When I was playing this part myselr, when Joel said "Well I hope you're a good shot", I said. "I'm not! I wasn't a good shot when I was controlling you either, Joel!"
I coulda sworn I had the gun out and he said the first line
No way. Maybe a glitch.
the attention to detail in this game is unmatched.
It hurt me to my core after playing this game and just finding it to be awful years of waiting just to be given a stab in the back
Im sorry dude. Your not alone in that. :T
@@noahboddy1484 he isn’t
lol I waited the same, been a fan since the release on PS3, Only I actually enjoyed the sequel, because it its actually a great game.
@@ThatFuckinGame I hated it , it plays good big the story fuckin sucks .
A little before it, When Tommy tell his name for Abby he says:"I am Tommy, He's Joel" and Abby freezes looking at joel.
That whole scene felt like Tommy said this: "I'm Tommy Miller, that's my brother Joel Miller, you should have seen it when he shot up that hospitals full of doctors; it was crazy! Hey, can I trust you with this shotgun, Abby?"
I think she recognized him before Tommy say that..
Breaks my heart how he saves her, helps her and then when she finds out it's him turns
They could’ve turned out great if Joel didn’t massacre a whole bunch of people but it is what it is
Ellie did the same thing to her. Cuts her down a pole, helps her and Lev get to the boats and then seeks out revenge while Abby is vulnerable and has no ill-will anymore against Ellie killing her friends.
I like it when games acknowledge what the player does or when the player already has something. it makes it feel more real. or just funny in some cases
I didn't play the game in a while but weirdly I didn't remember Joel's voice because I feel like it's different x)
It is kind of different. Troy Baker, the actor who plays Joel, quit smoking before working on TLOU2 and it changed his voice a bit.
I swear it sounds a lot like Arthur Morgan
@@jcoolguy1548 you won't believe it but I thought the same thing but I thought it was because I recently played RDR2 xD
@@shydreameress264 I believe you
Wow, Abby and Joel are such great friends!
Joel: “You got a gun?”
Abby: “No, just this golf club.”
Joel: *!*
I’ve played this game so many times and I never noticed that.
Nice little details that why naughty dog is so good at what they do
joel and abby seems like good friends i can’t wait to see more
I played this game and was heart broken by the story when it first came out. I loved the story it jsut made me feel so much sadness. I still don’t think I’m emotionally stable to re play, any advice ?
Then don't play it...simple
Do it but play Part 1 again first. I've done it like this many times and I would do it again any time, I feel the pain every single playthrough.
0:27 „Hey. You got a gun?“ Joel asked calmly.
Naughty Dog designs the greatest details in the industry hands down. However, while they exceed in realism, they lack in world building/game mechanics. That's not to mean that TLOU2 didn't have a beautiful nightmare of a world that we could see, or the mechanics aren't fun. I mean they make their games way too linear & the mechanics are forced to be used so constantly that it gets boring/played out. I'd love to see Naughty Dog team up with a company like Square Enix or another that is decent at designing massive open worlds & more fluent melee combat. Could you imagine how amazing a open world zombie game that looks & feels like TLOU2 would be? Regions that hold specific types of infected due to the elements. Cities with tons of buildings to explore. Maybe have a build your own town/fort type of system and recruit npc's to defend it against hordes & people.
That would be dope.
“I mean they make their games way too linear & the mechanics are forced to be used so constantly that it gets boring/played out.”
Can you expound on this? Any examples?
I know this is probably not a normal playthrough but the things he didn't loot piss me off so much
I understand why she wanted revenge but I still couldn’t believe how he saved her and she proceeded to bash his head in. His death totally gutted me.
Had I shattered the hopes for all mankind I probably would change my name
Just wish they paid as much attention to the story as they did the gameplay
They did, or did you miss the literary connections to Moby Dick and 2,000 Leagues Under The Sea.
@@Jesup1204 it was a great story. It goes to show, we live in a brutal grey world. Sadly some people wanted uncharted narrative
I haven’t played the game, but the biggest reason is that it doesn’t feel the same. What my favorite part and most iconic bit about the first game was the joel and ellie duo, to take that away in the second game makes you feel as if you’re playing some spinoff game like Uncharted Lost Legacy
This game still amazes me.
This Abby character seems somewhat, interesting I do sure hope nothing bad happens that will eventually change my mind.
Even though I have a lot of issues with the story, I can't deny the incredible attention to detail
you good with that golf club?
yeah
A take that I never hear is in the grand scheme... if Abby isn't here, both Tommy and Joel die by this horde. So it doesn't matter that Abby kills Joel, either way he would've died this day. You helped them escape.
Abby brought the horde to them....
Abby brought the horde in the first place
I still think abby could’ve started a conversation before no scoping his knee then playing competitive golf for half an hour
I remember seeing this. So cool!
0:49 she can't keep her excitement
Joel : hey , you got a gun ? Abby : yeah Joel : I hope you’re a good shot Abby: you wanna test me ?
Just thinking that if Abby never knew Joel’s name, she never would’ve killed him and the story would be a lot more happier. 🤭
The story wouldn't even happen since Joel wouldn't die and Ellie wouldn't go out looking for revenge
The little details is why this game is a masterpiece
the fucking attention to detail still surprises me in this game
Tlou 2 is one of my favorite games, I know a lot of people hate on this game because of the story (which in my opinion the story is great) but people can have differents opinions than me and this is fine, but to say a game with details like this is trash is simply lying
Story is awesome. Ppl didn't watch movies to compare and analyze
I agree with you 100% for me it's better than the first honestly. I just finished it again yesterday. And amazed by such great storytelling. I love the seeking revenge from both Abbey and Ellie and this last go around I found myself sympathizing more for Abbey. I love the constant dread in this game and at any minute things go wrong. It's an edge of your seat playthrough and anyone who disliked it the first time I recommend sitting down and playing again. Set aside your beliefs and politics and really immerse yourself in this game.
It always triggers me when people first start hating something and then start protecting that something. It happens with everything
That’s a little tho crazy detail, for real. Give this game another GOTY award. Also, tomorrow is TLOU2 first anniversary. ♥️
My
"Oh, he help her! 😊"
Change to
"God, you really help her 💀"
The "sequence" part in this game are very well produced, even though script got it's lobotomized moments, but that they have no spare mechanic, even though the dialog and the theme basically force you to consider it... what and insane, theme collapsing oversight.
yeah, its a game where you aren't really meant to be making choices. Ellie and Abby make choices, and you just watch them make those choices. Story-wise, it is a movie. you just happen to play a mediocre shooter/survival game in between plot points. so there is no spare mechanic because allie and abby aren't going to spare anyone, and if the player tries to deviate from that script, then the game punishes you for it by having the enemies refuse to accept being spared.
@@lrsb1678 No, I mean literal in-game stuff. They had a function that made enemies surrender. But guess what: They actually can't. They will either literally flop over and die or just pull out a gun from nowhere. The inability to make their theme work is terminal and goes from minute to minute gameplay to major story arc.
It's well produced and acted, but the game is amazingly shallow.
I think originally Joel asked her "you know how to use that thing?" but it was changed because modern society cannot bear the crippling "s3xism" of a joke. It might've not been this scene but he definitely said something along those lines
I like how Joel and Tommy literally saved Abby's life but as soon as she heard their names she just completely forgot that she would've died a terrible death if it wasn't for them and then proceeds to torture and kill the man that saved her life. She didn't hesitate or rethink anything. Bad writing if I say so myself.
Humans do horrible shit driven by emotions all the time, even extremely unjustified stuff like this. Its not bad writing, its realistic, its just that its very unsatisfying to see.
the attention at details in this game is insanr
This just makes me wish Joel was actually a playable character later in the story. Still annoys me to this day.
If it gives you any conselation you play as him riding a horse for 5 minutes i mean it's better than nothing right?
@@smoker5989 nah honestly that’s a slap In the face homie. The game was good the story just could’ve been written better. It’s okay for Joel to die but why so early in the game
Man, people who watch the show and have never played or know anything about the games are gonna be pissed, watching their beloved pedro just die like a fkn side character is gonna hurt. I kind of wish they just made a movie out of the first game and ignored the second games existence, but sadly they have already said that the 2nd season is going to be based on the 2nd game.
I wish they put this much effort in the story. I'm sure the gameplay and detail is amazing but fuck. I couldn't get through to enjoy the gameplay because the story and dialogue in general are boring imo. The last of us had weaker gameplay in comparison but I got through that like 7 times
wrong
@@AstraAnima Its my opinion. Why is that wrong?
@@AstraAnima So, what do you mean by "wrong" (with no capitalization)? Are you saying that you "LOVE LOVE LOVE" this game? Are you saying that you don't sympathize with this dude's experience with TLOU2 in comparison to the first game?
NEWS FLASH: there is more than one side to every story. You like it, he does not. Some people believe in Jesus while others believe in devil worship. Some believe YHWY is a good single deity who can do no wrong while others think YHWY is a network of consciousness that throws crap together just for their amusement (I mean, isn't that what the whole we exist to give the Lord pleasure means? Not the alternative?).
I don't give a flipping Lucifer about these unnecessary comments from single minded simpletons like you who can't give a proper civilized discussion of any kind, orally nor written, to save your own life from John Kramer himself. People like you are excessive in numbers and infuriatingly blunt. One of the elements of this stupid game is to be open-minded about other people's situation and UNDERSTAND them. You don't even have to like or agree with them at the end of it.
You're too small-minded to broaden your horizons to connect the game's message to real life. I hate the game's story but I get the message/elements and can appreciate the work Druckman's slaves were put through for it's details.
Now pull your eyeballs out of your thick skull and go read a book or something. If you can't commit to sharing ideas with another fellow human you've never even met before than why waste the time, energy, and data on the mega-servers by leaving an improper response.
(Wanted to elaborate more here and there, however I'm on a time limit so this is what ya get.)
I hope you've learned something today from this. If not-well- I guess nothing truly matters when we exist solely for One else's entertainment, right?
@@vision5415 If my opinion is that the earth is flat, that's a wrong opinion.
@@Elven_Gamer you aren't worth the capitalization
haha ND didn't even have to worry about this, but they did anyway.
so much dedication and detail
This video is literally minutes before the entire game is ruined lol
Game only gets better from there
@@2in1ziggi the main selling point of The Last of Us 1 was the relationship between Joel and Ellie. Outside of that it was a generic zombie shooter with poor controls, but that story and character is what made it special. As soon as that selling point was removed, it lost 90% of the reason why I loved the franchise.
The first game was dark but had a hopeful theme throughout. The second was oppressive and depressing.
They made a sequel for a completely different target audience to the first game, it’s no wonder so many people hated it (not to mention the awful story structure).
@@2in1ziggi wrong
@@2in1ziggi elaborate? A game about pointless revenge that ends with a moralistic point of view? The previous game was amazing because it was about survival not just some emotional ride on killing people.
@@emperorleachicus2199 Not a "shooter" and they aren't zombies either. How many times do real gamers have to set you casuals straight?
what a fucking masterpiece man
LOL
Without a doubt.