THE LAST OF US 2 - Ellie Kills Abby's Dog, Boyfriend and Pregnant Friend

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  • @bigdan5816
    @bigdan5816 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29938

    Ellie wasn't shock cause she killed Mel who was pregnant, she was surprise cause she got a triple kill instead of a double

    • @lucaspayet4117
      @lucaspayet4117 4 ปีที่แล้ว +804

      LMAO😭😂

    • @stinkyjuicebox
      @stinkyjuicebox 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1378

      oh baby a triple OH YEAH!!!

    • @venator5
      @venator5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +453

      "Spamkill."

    • @Kevin-ox3db
      @Kevin-ox3db 4 ปีที่แล้ว +144

      @@venator5 Savage.

    • @MyIVIonster
      @MyIVIonster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +174

      Yo this comment killed me, I’m dead😭💀

  • @reecemannsays
    @reecemannsays 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10029

    This why I love Kratos' words "Close your heart to it, On your journey you will be attacked by all manner of creature, close your heart to their desperation, close your heart to their suffering, do not allow yourself to feel for them, They Will Not Feel For You"

    • @dovah2162
      @dovah2162 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1034

      Beautiful, unlike this poor exuse of a game

    • @yokoyakamori6589
      @yokoyakamori6589 4 ปีที่แล้ว +422

      This is why I love GoW more.

    • @mike_izzo
      @mike_izzo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +485

      Ellie had to take example from Kratos he spared no one

    • @reecemannsays
      @reecemannsays 4 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      @@mike_izzo Big time facts brother

    • @Kaikaifilu1994
      @Kaikaifilu1994 4 ปีที่แล้ว +146

      “Yeah, but, that dog wasn’t exactly suf-“
      “DID I STUTTER, B O I?”

  • @cypressketch
    @cypressketch 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11413

    How is no one talking about how Ellie hears Joel's voice calling out to her instead of Tommy's? Such an incredible detail

    • @263malice
      @263malice 3 ปีที่แล้ว +748

      Holy-fucking shit. I didn’t notice that.

    • @cypressketch
      @cypressketch 3 ปีที่แล้ว +476

      @@263malice right??! it's the little things about this game that I really appreciate

    • @RK-xw2kf
      @RK-xw2kf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +96

      I might be deaf, in what part?

    • @Faheel_56
      @Faheel_56 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@263malice ya me too

    • @lukebristol
      @lukebristol 3 ปีที่แล้ว +132

      Holy shit. This game is so awesome.

  • @devlinorsomething854
    @devlinorsomething854 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7262

    i love how ellie copied joel’s way of interrogation but didn’t quite *execute* it as well.

    • @paulorufalco
      @paulorufalco ปีที่แล้ว

      she should tie both and keeping torture then to mental esgotation (like Joel did)

    • @thecockman
      @thecockman ปีที่แล้ว +75

      Oh man 💀

    • @jayyy1677
      @jayyy1677 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      💀

    • @ashishhembrom3905
      @ashishhembrom3905 ปีที่แล้ว +266

      Hey man she at least got a bonus kill.

    • @ashishhembrom3905
      @ashishhembrom3905 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      @KEN ŔEEVE thats the joke

  • @variaeyf
    @variaeyf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9855

    Why does everyone forget about the two important facts:
    1. Ellie didn't know Mel was pregnant until she killed her
    2. Owen, dog and Mel first attacked and tried to kill Ellie

    • @tylonmonger53
      @tylonmonger53 4 ปีที่แล้ว +852

      they don't want facts

    • @MrBlue-gf9jw
      @MrBlue-gf9jw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +244

      Dogs job was to kill ellie he was forced to and ellie kills everyone except the main victim why are you even on ellie's side

    • @tylonmonger53
      @tylonmonger53 4 ปีที่แล้ว +631

      Mr. Blue she killed abby's friends because she had to. they tried to kill her 🤷🏿‍♂️

    • @variaeyf
      @variaeyf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +490

      @@MrBlue-gf9jw It's kind of funny to call her the main VICTIM, but whatever. So in your opinion Ellie should have just let the dog kill her, because the dog was forced? Yeah, she totally should've died there and got eaten by the dog, to additionaly allow him
      recharge the batteries after such an effort. You completely don't take circumstances to considaration, while making your statemants. Abby was the only one who actually begged Ellie not to kill her, she was weak, paid the price and she tried to help Lev, she didn't want to fight, she was unarmed. And beside all that, she spared Ellie and Dina. But all that doesn't even matter, because when we decide to kill someone, it doesn't mean that we have to kill everybody who deserves it more, from now on. The way you think makes me believe you are immature or stupid or that you don't even want to try to use your brain in order to understand

    • @mryoung6090
      @mryoung6090 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      @@tylonmonger53 Owen let Ellie live lol her revenge story wouldn't exist without him

  • @kevingarnett2000
    @kevingarnett2000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7666

    Let's just remember Mel voted yes to kill Ellie in that house

    • @briyanapanton7437
      @briyanapanton7437 4 ปีที่แล้ว +697

      And Abby and Owen were the ones to not kill Ellie that's why I hated Mel and I still do hate her but dang she was pregnant this is hard man

    • @JGregory757
      @JGregory757 4 ปีที่แล้ว +370

      @@briyanapanton7437 how was Ellie supposed to know she was pregnant

    • @briyanapanton7437
      @briyanapanton7437 4 ปีที่แล้ว +745

      @@JGregory757 Well really in that scene it was really Mel's fault for not announcing to Ellie that she's pregnant I feel like Mel just put herself and her baby in danger but either way I still hated Mel.

    • @isaacalanis2777
      @isaacalanis2777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +162

      And let's not forget that Manny even mentioned that Mel wanted more joel dead than the rest of the crew

    • @briyanapanton7437
      @briyanapanton7437 3 ปีที่แล้ว +265

      @@isaacalanis2777 Remember that on Abby's story later she said to Abby that Joel deserved worse I hate Mel man.

  • @MoonshineBeforeSunshine
    @MoonshineBeforeSunshine 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8292

    "Yes, I killed everything & everyone on my path connected to Abby, but when I finally got to her, 'revenge is bad.'"

    • @samcheer_7711
      @samcheer_7711 4 ปีที่แล้ว +874

      The game : is about to get revenge on someone
      Also the game : revenge is bad ok

    • @TommyTipex
      @TommyTipex 4 ปีที่แล้ว +492

      such genius storytelling 10/10 I cried - IGN

    • @toxilex4474
      @toxilex4474 4 ปีที่แล้ว +364

      Think for a second, if Ellie killed Abby, Lev would have wanted to come back to kill her, therefore the cycle of revenge will continue. Ellie did the wise decision to let Abby live to end this cycle once and for all. I hope this is clear now

    • @rdowg
      @rdowg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +610

      @@toxilex4474 "dont start the cycle of revenge by killing her, end it by letting her live and killing everyone else!"

    • @rency1803
      @rency1803 4 ปีที่แล้ว +269

      @@toxilex4474 then she could just fucking snap Lev's neck or something like anybody would even care. Heck even if she just kill Abby and left Lev might not even survive.

  • @atherinenazarova8044
    @atherinenazarova8044 ปีที่แล้ว +2435

    In this scene we perfectly see that Owen cared for Abby more, than for Mel. If Mel had been the love of his life, he wouldn't have started a fight with Ellie and would've done everything to keep Mel and his child safe. But Owen chose to protect Abby. There isn't Ellie's fault, she just defended herself.

    • @blackcobra3553
      @blackcobra3553 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      THANK YOU!

    • @canoodlepoodle7892
      @canoodlepoodle7892 ปีที่แล้ว +229

      I LOVE this observation. Owen was a very loving and compassionate character but when the cards were down it was obvious his love for Abby trumped anything else. Him fighting back secured the fate of Mel and THEIR child, on the prayer he could see Abby again. Selfish and heartbreaking considering Mel's pregnancy was the last thing he acknowledged before he died, and what weighed on both characters heavily.

    • @hunormagyar1843
      @hunormagyar1843 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ikr lol all these people in this story are kinda fucked up... lol

    • @RecklessFire29
      @RecklessFire29 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Catherine Nazarova Are you stupid? You don't get to assault someone, then when they defend themselves, claim you're defending yourself. She attacked them first and proceeded to violently murder them for daring to try to fight back rather than give their friend up.

    • @fibergran9
      @fibergran9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Well she was looking for revenge so her actions led to this

  • @jakubramisz1337
    @jakubramisz1337 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8358

    The story is like collecting all the infinity stones and not snap at the end.

    • @jayharris6087
      @jayharris6087 4 ปีที่แล้ว +510

      Or going back in time to stop Thanos just letting him do everything all over again

    • @sbj97
      @sbj97 4 ปีที่แล้ว +98

      Fucking facts 😂😂😂

    • @-aa6991
      @-aa6991 4 ปีที่แล้ว +108

      Which is essentially the story of endgame in a nutshell anyways "yeah sorry uno reverse lol ecksdee we made the bad guy go away america fuck yeah lurl!"

    • @taytay32865
      @taytay32865 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Explains why Avengers is trash and TLoU isn't lol

    • @thefilmwatcher1302
      @thefilmwatcher1302 4 ปีที่แล้ว +149

      Taylor Heil I think that should be the other way around. This game is GARBAGE. The Avengers films are cinematic history. There’s a huge difference.

  • @johnoguntuase1162
    @johnoguntuase1162 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1162

    90% of comments: Ellie kills everyone to get to Abby but doesn't kill Abby
    10% of comments: The dog's just doing his job

    • @ploobus194
      @ploobus194 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      LOAF LIFE what shit are you on.

    • @railenherman6482
      @railenherman6482 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It was a her.

    • @eduardocardenas8392
      @eduardocardenas8392 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      So, if a dog tries to kill you because "it's not his fault, he was trained to do it" and your only chance to live is assured by killing it, wouldn't you do it?. Come on...

    • @johnoguntuase1162
      @johnoguntuase1162 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@eduardocardenas8392 Yh I would no doubt. But I'm just saying tho🤣🤣🤣

    • @TheKokiche
      @TheKokiche 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@eduardocardenas8392 nah man i better die. Humans are trash egoists while a dog is trying to survive and doesnt try to kill you because he hates you.

  • @Derethevil
    @Derethevil 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5731

    "Stupid dog."
    Close Ellie. Very close. But you should have said: "Stupid Naughty Dog."

  • @Dabomb2394
    @Dabomb2394 ปีที่แล้ว +1381

    I love that Ellie, who has personally felt the impact of information leakage, conveniently leaves a map with a shit ton of personal information lying on the ground.

    • @yourboybobert878
      @yourboybobert878 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Fr

    • @charlottemartin4715
      @charlottemartin4715 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      I took that as more of a warning so Abby knew. Like “look at this I know where your newly dead friends are and now I’m gonna find you”

    • @guelspace
      @guelspace ปีที่แล้ว +206

      ​@@charlottemartin4715What, you guys are inventing something that never happened, she just forgot the map there because she was in shock. Just that.

    • @brunish8070
      @brunish8070 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@guelspace fr bro XDD

    • @Arvigeus
      @Arvigeus ปีที่แล้ว +60

      I love how she also conviniently marked her own location. I also love how Abby never questioned this suspiciously placed map. I love how Mel wears baggy clothes just this time, so she can hide her pregnancy from Ellie. Everyone is as intelligent as the plot demands them to be.
      Can't believe there are people who hate this game just because Joel dies - they miss this master writing!

  • @Zombieshark420x
    @Zombieshark420x 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4099

    Logical person:
    Ellie: You can survive this... I just want her.
    Owen: Ok... please, shes pregnant... don't shoot. *Moves Mel behind him, and points to the location on the map first*
    Mel: What are you doing!
    Owen: Saving our child... Its the only choice we have. Abby would understand...
    Mel: *Hesitates, but also points after placing her hand on her belly and looking down*
    Ellie: *Sees the spots are the same, releasing a relieving breath, but then shifts back to being focused on the two* Now go... I don't want to ever see you again... Do you understand?
    *Mel and Owen agree and they all part ways*
    Stupid people:
    *Everything in this video*

    • @thefilmwatcher1302
      @thefilmwatcher1302 4 ปีที่แล้ว +321

      Synerix Why does The Last of Us even have a sequel? That was a great game.

    • @soulsborne8292
      @soulsborne8292 4 ปีที่แล้ว +95

      Ellie killed Nora without esitate a single second, the didn't trust her, and that's why they tried to defend themselves

    • @howtoeataham
      @howtoeataham 4 ปีที่แล้ว +377

      Sad that a random comment makes more sense than a game that was developed over 7 years lol

    • @LegendarySpaceRipper
      @LegendarySpaceRipper 4 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Owen never even wanted to be involved in it.

    • @ricknochefort4941
      @ricknochefort4941 4 ปีที่แล้ว +117

      souls borne that makes it even worse, they knew the danger and what she wanted and still failed to comply, they deserved it.

  • @cadmusravenstag4403
    @cadmusravenstag4403 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4308

    Naughty Dog: "You won't be forced to kill dogs..."
    Druckmann: "You see, lies are progressive..."

    • @granalmirantethrawn2972
      @granalmirantethrawn2972 4 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      He really said that?

    • @TheCart54321
      @TheCart54321 4 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      Well I mean technically you can sneak past them in the game

    • @jessieqk12
      @jessieqk12 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Cool Dude not Alice though

    • @gabrielhanson8575
      @gabrielhanson8575 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @Milagro 013 no way 😂😂😂

    • @BlueSkullX
      @BlueSkullX 4 ปีที่แล้ว +202

      He also said Ellie was the only playable character in this game. That was the biggest lie of all.

  • @ashfrog8
    @ashfrog8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3581

    Abby’s vengeance caused all of this. You can say Joel was a bad guy for all the kills, but when he first met Ellie, he made a point of trying not to care about her or anyone other than his brother. But as they traveled, he started to be reminded of his daughter. And when the doctor tried to kill Ellie, he flashed back to his failure to save his own daughter and just couldn’t do it.

    • @Luke-vf6qc
      @Luke-vf6qc 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd do the same as well

    • @MrRenix1990
      @MrRenix1990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +241

      Joel’s actions caused all of this. If only he’d spared Abby’s father…

    • @sewerboio_0
      @sewerboio_0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +575

      @@MrRenix1990 If you want to go that far then Marlene was the reason it all happened. I mean, she's the one who sent Joel to escort Ellie isn't she?

    • @ichangedmyusernamebecausei2551
      @ichangedmyusernamebecausei2551 ปีที่แล้ว

      Plus even if a cure was developed, I doubt the fireflies would willingly share the cure with everyone. Also the world was way past gone by that point. Every city and town is in ruins and they’re filled with thieves and bandits or controlled by the military or paramilitaries like the wolves.

    • @vito6860
      @vito6860 ปีที่แล้ว +105

      @@kennycodes ikr, he could've killed joel too so none of this would have ever happened.

  • @mosesnathanael1039
    @mosesnathanael1039 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7480

    She can kill a pregnant woman but not the girl who bashed Joel’s head

    • @thebeezneez3539
      @thebeezneez3539 4 ปีที่แล้ว +983

      Ah, another shallow gamer who can’t empathize and understand why she did what she did.

    • @kinghades3356
      @kinghades3356 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1786

      @@thebeezneez3539 nah youre just a casual

    • @cosodesign8953
      @cosodesign8953 4 ปีที่แล้ว +263

      Douma naw you just lack empathy and critical thinking skills. Basically your a casual when it comes to emotional intelligence.

    • @carbonmonoxide8859
      @carbonmonoxide8859 4 ปีที่แล้ว +614

      @@cosodesign8953 so... if your dad gets killed you will be with the person who did it? You'll be like: well maybe he deserved it, I'll stay with the killer he might be the good guy here. What's wrong with you?

    • @Shensdojo7
      @Shensdojo7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +148

      I'm so glad Abby lived... what a warrior

  • @gamerdudepunk
    @gamerdudepunk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4793

    Ellie: literally kills everything in the game
    Also Ellie: spares the main villain because plot

    • @MrPatpac24
      @MrPatpac24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +178

      You just gotta love plot convinence lol

    • @lexluthor3811
      @lexluthor3811 3 ปีที่แล้ว +356

      @@StevesSon the fact is. She was. She was willing to kill Dinah even after knowing she was pregnant and it took lev being shook to stop her from doing so

    • @Yourlocalscumbag
      @Yourlocalscumbag 3 ปีที่แล้ว +268

      @@StevesSon I don’t understand the hate this game gets. Big fan of the first and this one just was the cherry on top. This one really shows that there are always 2 sides to every story. How would anyone be satisfied with Abby getting killed at the end especially seeing how much both have been thru

    • @lexluthor3811
      @lexluthor3811 3 ปีที่แล้ว +157

      @@StevesSon lol and? That just proves Neil wanted to make Abby the main character even though back in a 2013 interview he straight up says how the revenge plot makes no sense yet shoe horns it into part 2 the moment he has no one to rein him in. Games not as deep as u think it is, and neither are u.

    • @casbinwat
      @casbinwat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +117

      @@StevesSon Except Tlou 1 isnt a disjointed mess of a story, and clearly leaning to one side.

  • @DMBRNGR-nm8wd
    @DMBRNGR-nm8wd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2406

    I never understood why she felt so bad about killing Mel. She clearly told them both she wanted Abby and they didnt have to die, and Mel proceeded to try to jam a knife down her windpipe, she had no choice.

    • @jameslanier2510
      @jameslanier2510 3 ปีที่แล้ว +333

      Uh, Mel was going to cooperate and only attacked Ellie after Ellie shot Owen. Also, Mel's fetus didn't exactly have a say in what Mel did.

    • @DMBRNGR-nm8wd
      @DMBRNGR-nm8wd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      @@jameslanier2510 no that's absolutely true but I'm strictly talking about in that moment, she did what she had to do. I get it, Mel was enraged that she shot Owen, but intelligence says dont bring a knife to a gunfight unless you're the Punisher. I just think it was a crappy detail of the story. Mel was smart enough in the game to pull some "wait until she turns around and so what I have to do" type shit. I just dont feel like that was the move she would have made. Know what I'm saying?

    • @BreadCatMarcus
      @BreadCatMarcus ปีที่แล้ว +147

      It's moreso the baby that Ellie regrets. Killing Mel and Owen is just another means to an end.

    • @sentientbeing8738
      @sentientbeing8738 ปีที่แล้ว +163

      She didnt feel bad about killing Mel she felt bad about killing her kid.

    • @TheJadedJames
      @TheJadedJames ปีที่แล้ว +15

      It doesn't matter what Ellie said or claimed to want. Once she broke in and drew a gun on them, she put them in a situation where anyone would logically conclude they might have to defend themselves. They knew the best case scenario was just Ellie would leave to go murder their friend.

  • @angryboi595
    @angryboi595 ปีที่แล้ว +542

    This game really tries to make me feel guilty about killing a baby when it was not only in self defence, but also because I wasn’t given the choice to not kill them

    • @liam6170
      @liam6170 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      Not to mention they never try to bring up that she’s pregnant to Ellie and choose to recklessly attack her

    • @D4rkkay
      @D4rkkay ปีที่แล้ว +27

      I have very little context of the game and even with that i still can't feel bad for the pregnant lady

    • @somethingthatisntcringe757
      @somethingthatisntcringe757 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Its called being human, you can still feel like you made a horrific decision even if that was the only choice you had if you wanted to live.

    • @Numbers-mc2ks
      @Numbers-mc2ks ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I doubt they care if u feel guilty or not

    • @sleevetrocks
      @sleevetrocks 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I don’t know if you realize this, but you don’t have a choice in killing a LOT of people in TLOU. That’s kind of the point, not getting a choice in the main character’s major decisions. Like Joel killing Abby’s father for example.

  • @andrewkane2637
    @andrewkane2637 4 ปีที่แล้ว +503

    5:21 When your friend gets a double kill but it's actually a tripple

    • @naeemislam8175
      @naeemislam8175 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @jellyslopefall572
      @jellyslopefall572 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you’re going to make jokes like that you’re no better than Abby

    • @rishijakhwal5290
      @rishijakhwal5290 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@jellyslopefall572 ok?😂

    • @theredscout1633
      @theredscout1633 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Its a fucking game xd

    • @Cartman11111
      @Cartman11111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jellyslopefall572 Abby is better tho

  • @TheJoker-qo4fg
    @TheJoker-qo4fg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2944

    You know a story is bad when “it was all a dream” is a better ending to the story

    •  4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      So true

    • @sedukafe
      @sedukafe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +91

      Nah, you're just liking cheap stories, that's all

    • @chegglord490
      @chegglord490 4 ปีที่แล้ว +162

      sedukafe like this one maybe?

    • @angryspy1026
      @angryspy1026 4 ปีที่แล้ว +223

      @@sedukafe yea because "Revenge is bad" isn't already a cheap story narrative....

    • @jayazoriginal4879
      @jayazoriginal4879 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      You just didn't understand it

  • @Warlike78
    @Warlike78 4 ปีที่แล้ว +929

    I'm just gonna say it, it was their own fault for attacking Ellie in the first place and Mel went into the front lines herself. Ellie killed Mel and Owen after she said "you can survive this. I just need her" which then the pregnant woman didn't run (or attempt to) or hide, but instead attacked Ellie with a knife. It's Mel's fault for being their in the first place, Owen deserved it anyway.

    • @cellP8
      @cellP8 4 ปีที่แล้ว +156

      I think it was very stupid and reckless of Mel for trying to fight back in that condition...
      Same for Owen, he said he was tired of fighting and killing.

    • @yocloak
      @yocloak 4 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Owen and mel was also the main reason manny and that other dude didnt kill ellie that was enough to make me feel slightly bad for them

    • @anthonydmccormickjr9393
      @anthonydmccormickjr9393 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      If Mel and Owen had enough common sense, she wouldn't have to defend herself.

    • @carasynthiadune9842
      @carasynthiadune9842 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I think Mel attacked because she loved Owen but then if she had thought for a second, she should have run away, had the baby, then went after Ellie later. That would have honored Owen more since it was his baby.

    • @SDSOverfiend
      @SDSOverfiend 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Should’ve respected the jux. Period. Person got a gun to you and demands somebody whereabouts. You play the hand you was dealt. Owen silly ass could’ve reminded her it was him who stopped Manny from killing her. M el had no business being on the frontlines pregnant. She would’ve made a bad parent

  • @JRMAV1
    @JRMAV1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    Here’s Ellie, showing remorse
    Then there’s Abby who shows ZERO remorse the entire game.

    • @aaron.y2k
      @aaron.y2k 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      she did show remorse… she cared for lev and yara

    • @kyree4695
      @kyree4695 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@aaron.y2kAbby only saved them so she don’t live with the guilt of leaving 2 kids who save her life to die btw

    • @aaron.y2k
      @aaron.y2k 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@kyree4695 she literally cared about them so much what…

    • @Pinkupop7
      @Pinkupop7 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      so we forget when abby spared ellie n tommy in the beginning? when she saves yara and lev? when she just silently nods after mel tells her shes a piece of sh\t? when she spared dina AND ellie( the person who killed all her friends AND dog)? yes abby never shows remorse😁

    • @okipullup3367
      @okipullup3367 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Pinkupop7that was mercy and forgiveness, remorse is different

  • @missiontobeaman3111
    @missiontobeaman3111 4 ปีที่แล้ว +821

    *They ripped off the walking dead. Antagonist Brutally beats someone you love with sporting equipment. Then you mow through all their goons and when you finally get to that person. You spare them. It was bad then, it was bad in this.*

    • @illquanbenjamin6182
      @illquanbenjamin6182 4 ปีที่แล้ว +169

      At least Negan was imprisoned for a few years and doing so served a purpose. This was just terrible god awful writing

    • @PeteTheGrouch
      @PeteTheGrouch 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@illquanbenjamin6182 Like, seriously... WHY would they not have killed him..?! So dumb.

    • @illquanbenjamin6182
      @illquanbenjamin6182 4 ปีที่แล้ว +147

      @@PeteTheGrouch As Rick said in the show and comic, he wanted Negan to watch as he dismantled everything he built up for himself and replaced it with something better. All the while knowing he'll never be a part of the birth of this new society. Ellie just let Abby go for literally no reason other than "revenge bad"

    • @guerreroazul2484
      @guerreroazul2484 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Comment worthy of praise 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

    • @the.albertan
      @the.albertan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow. Thanks for ruining the walking dead.

  • @antequerini
    @antequerini 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1580

    Imagine being Abby and finding all your friends are dead, and when she got the opportunity to revenge. Nope revenge its bad.

    • @whichDude
      @whichDude 4 ปีที่แล้ว +203

      Revenge is fine. Just don't leave 2 witnesses alive who will clearly come back for revenge on you. Don't leave loose ends.

    • @Shensdojo7
      @Shensdojo7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      If Abby had killed Ellie after Ellie's broken arm It would be so badass.

    • @viciiaa3036
      @viciiaa3036 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@whichDude abby is actually smart af

    • @chubbyfug4601
      @chubbyfug4601 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Viciiaa big brain with no charisma

    • @deadaccount5730
      @deadaccount5730 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Carlos Antequera she got? Don’t you mean you get because we are in Abby's prospection

  • @RAPNTUDO
    @RAPNTUDO 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2339

    It's funny How they made the game to make you feel for Abby and abby's friends, but I couldn't care less about them...

    • @crisdominguez5403
      @crisdominguez5403 4 ปีที่แล้ว +347

      Bro fr i went through the whole game wanting to kill Abby lmao

    • @MrSoBitchy
      @MrSoBitchy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      same

    • @melyshrimp3558
      @melyshrimp3558 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Fr

    • @ilikeslushxp4377
      @ilikeslushxp4377 3 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      Tell me you can’t feel empathy without telling me you can’t feel empathy

    • @jesse3584
      @jesse3584 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      @@ilikeslushxp4377 bruh why should we feel empathy for a person that literally hates her friends. She treats them like shit. She's literally only nice to owen even she gives him attitude for no reason. She was cool with manny but didn't give a fuck when he died

  • @Duneek
    @Duneek 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1193

    And people still were mad Abby survived. Ellie killed this girl's entire social network and Abby gets to live knowing that. That IS revenge.

    • @sukramreddevil4576
      @sukramreddevil4576 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      Exactly, people are so idiotic, Ebby is absolutely innocent

    • @jacobramirez8753
      @jacobramirez8753 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brainwashed by drukman. Ellie deserved to kill them all

    • @Duneek
      @Duneek ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jacobramirez8753 And Joel deserved to die. So now what?

    • @jacobramirez8753
      @jacobramirez8753 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Duneek you’re brainwashed

    • @Duneek
      @Duneek ปีที่แล้ว +33

      @@jacobramirez8753 Oh no. What will I ever do now that Jacob Ramirez thinks I'm brainwashed? My world is officially ending.

  • @drpotato830
    @drpotato830 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4034

    So Ellie basically okay killing pregnant woman, but not okay to kill Gay Thanos ?

    • @mehmetalidemir8380
      @mehmetalidemir8380 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      who's gay thanos?

    • @jordirodriguez1794
      @jordirodriguez1794 4 ปีที่แล้ว +482

      @@mehmetalidemir8380 Abby is Gay Thanos

    • @taffyistrashy
      @taffyistrashy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Bruh

    • @RuSosan
      @RuSosan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +363

      She was not "okay" with it.
      She obviously realized it only after killing her. It's literally there in the video.

    • @eddoink3050
      @eddoink3050 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      is abby gay? she's got a boyfriend dont she?

  • @EchoBoomer1987
    @EchoBoomer1987 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1064

    TLOUS Part III, you play the part of a female dog because that was her father you killed, so you get revenge by killing Ellie. Then you play a campaign that humanizes the dog.

    • @IKnowImGayWhenISayThisBut
      @IKnowImGayWhenISayThisBut 3 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      Please don't give Drunkman ideas

    • @muchduck3754
      @muchduck3754 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@IKnowImGayWhenISayThisBut Drunkman 🤣🤣🤣

    • @nave712
      @nave712 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      👎🏼👎🏼

    • @ibrahimlodhi9637
      @ibrahimlodhi9637 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Beautifully illustrated narrative. 10/10

    • @Matt_Underwood
      @Matt_Underwood 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Drunkman: Anita, is this the right way to do it?
      Anita Sarkeesian: Yes, but give the female dog more male dog features to... appeal to both genders... and muscles, lots and lots of muscles
      Drunkman: Like the Buffed Doge meme?
      Anita Sarkeesian: Exactly like that Buffed Doge meme... but female... and male... at the same time
      Drunkman: You are a God!!

  • @FieuFieu
    @FieuFieu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2131

    Ellie didn't want to kill them, she only wanted informations but those morons attacked her.

    • @fauziqasem390
      @fauziqasem390 3 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      owen was trying to talk to her and she didnt want to listen so in my opinion she was asking for it

    • @darth_ender
      @darth_ender 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@San-cb9mj No

    • @aibartalgatuly3011
      @aibartalgatuly3011 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      @@San-cb9mj what the fuck? Ellie is not a cold blooded killer, she only ever kills when other people are not cooperating. You’re the only one who’s stupid here.

    • @aibartalgatuly3011
      @aibartalgatuly3011 3 ปีที่แล้ว +302

      @@fauziqasem390 Owen literally jumps her in the cutscene, did u even watch it?

    • @lemmedrivedaboat5848
      @lemmedrivedaboat5848 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She would’ve killed them regardless

  • @AMC5274
    @AMC5274 2 ปีที่แล้ว +357

    This was the scene that really affected the narrative of the entire game for me. I didn't like playing through Abbys entire campaign knowing exactly what was going to happen. The whole time I was desirous of finding a way to change the outcome.

    • @kdfsjljklgjfg
      @kdfsjljklgjfg ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Personally that just made it hit way harder. You went on a murderous rampage, and then the game went "Now you get to see the *people* that you killed, instead of just the soldiers." I found it really drove home the tragedy in vengeance-quests.

    • @TheJadedJames
      @TheJadedJames ปีที่แล้ว +18

      For me, what was effective about Abby's campaign is that I got caught up in stories entirely unrelated to Ellie enough that I started to forget about the inevitable fates of Abby's friends until I got to the third day and I was like "Oh ****! Abby is about to find Mel and Owen!"

    • @eskindermamo4178
      @eskindermamo4178 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I must have been the only guy that hated Joel. Which is why I loved playing as Abby and this part just made me furious af. Not only did she kill a pregnant woman and the father but also the people that spared her and had nothing to do with Joel’s death. Totally different experience from most people

    • @rose.888
      @rose.888 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​​@@eskindermamo4178Why did you hate Joel? Also, Ellie told Owen and Mel that they could still live if they gave her the location of Abby. Owen decided to attack Ellie and Ellie defended herself. Even Mel tried killing her and Ellie defended herself again. Owen was too stubborn trying to protect Abby instead of Mel, he clearly cared more about Abby than Mel because he would've not provoked Ellie when he knew she could kill him and his pregnant girl, he should've just given her the location. They were all in a group together so how can you say they didn't have anything to do with Joels death? Mel wanted Joel to die too. Owen let Abby continue to torture Joel. They got what was coming to them.

    • @eskindermamo4178
      @eskindermamo4178 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@rose.888 lmao Joel deserved everything he got. He was a horrible person in the first game but I was enjoying seeing him become good as he starts building emotions for Ellie. And then at the end he just decides he’ll be a monster and kill the entire fire flys and doom humanity of a vaccine. I don’t mind him taking Ellie away but killing them and even Marlene who decided to rationalize with him makes him a piece of shit in my eyes.
      As for Ellie, going to their location and threatening them and then killing them when they don’t cooperate is straight up murder. Doesn’t matter weather they retaliate. To think Owen had the heart to let her and Tommy go and she comes back and kill his pregnant wife is wild to me. All for vengeance for her “dad” who she knows isn’t a saint. She even disagreed with him on saving her at the hospital. She hated him for 2 years and she has the audacity to come after people who actually love eachother.
      And no he should have not given her the location. Idk what type of friends u have but friends don’t do that to eachother. Especially one he’s loved since they were children and Joel basically decided to ruin their life.

  • @amiciprocul8501
    @amiciprocul8501 4 ปีที่แล้ว +426

    Anyone else forget what Owen looked like whenever he was offscreen.

    • @daltonio6001
      @daltonio6001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      No because he’s an amazing character

    • @rebotsomat
      @rebotsomat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@daltonio6001 You can tell who read the leaks before giving the game an honest chance on its own.

    • @seraviloxelavlogs
      @seraviloxelavlogs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      He’s a generic white guy lol

    • @VileVamp
      @VileVamp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@rebotsomat Found the shill.

    • @rebotsomat
      @rebotsomat 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@VileVamp where's my money then

  • @bradley8258
    @bradley8258 4 ปีที่แล้ว +400

    Wow Ellie is so kind providing a free abortion service in a post apocalyptic world

    • @ehtishamkhan2004
      @ehtishamkhan2004 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Aborting the baby and the mother with no charges. She's truly a saint.

    • @GhostCell47
      @GhostCell47 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You cold as ice. 😖😖😂😂😆

    • @rishatabdurakhmanov2377
      @rishatabdurakhmanov2377 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahahah

    • @zoneshift
      @zoneshift ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I mean lets be honest with the way mel was treating that baby the entire game, it might as well have not been there to begin with.

    • @Dannymart_88445
      @Dannymart_88445 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And also a free euthanasia!

  • @twistednipz7182
    @twistednipz7182 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1275

    The writers tried way too hard to manipulate you into hating Ellie and loving Abby. It’s like they took advice straight from Rian Johnson

    • @kevingame3198
      @kevingame3198 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      And the death threats didn’t work either take advice from homelander you don’t decide what goes on the 7 I decide

    • @thelookingcat
      @thelookingcat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +152

      Exactly, because Ellie is awesome and Abby cannot be forgiven

    • @ThePrizrak0317
      @ThePrizrak0317 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@thelookingcat facts

    • @niazshah320
      @niazshah320 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      More like the writers tried to provide some context to undeserving players such as yourself

    • @thelookingcat
      @thelookingcat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +126

      @@niazshah320 how's he undeserving? We just took a liking to the only human character, and that character was murdered in the game, so we all want revenge. Simple

  • @alvarojokerpersona5757
    @alvarojokerpersona5757 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    4:44 you can hear owen says "pregnant" more or less , thats why ellie after says no no and open the jacket of mel

    • @liam6170
      @liam6170 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I never understand why they did not bring that up at the very least

  • @phantomfilms87
    @phantomfilms87 4 ปีที่แล้ว +245

    I did not feel sympathy for any of these guys, not even the dog. The way they behaved pretty much made me believe they all had death wishes, and killing Joel pretty much sealed their fates. And Ellie actually gave them a chance to cooperate and live, but they threw it away like their lives didn’t matter.

    • @hectorespinosa8570
      @hectorespinosa8570 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ellie was going to kil them anyway

    • @Jack-se4rc
      @Jack-se4rc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@hectorespinosa8570 yeah speak like you're the developer 😂

    • @T3AMKILL
      @T3AMKILL 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      @@hectorespinosa8570 read her journal. Ellie wouldn’t have killed them.

    • @guifire9747
      @guifire9747 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@T3AMKILL idk why tho, i would have, if Joel and Abby have teach Ellie something, it's that leaving witnesses will always bite you in the ass, she killed dozens of no-name to get here, whats 2 more and a dog?

    • @T3AMKILL
      @T3AMKILL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@guifire9747 because every one of those people were trying to kill her on sight as well. Believe it or not, Ellie does not have a close relationship with violence. Up to this point, she only had her trip in Part 1 and the past 2 days in Seattle. It’s different when you kill someone who is trying to kill you (which is a tragic normality in that world, see Jesse and Dina, also not having problems with killing, and Dina having to kill as early as 11) vs. killing someone who isn’t an active threat, and after looking eye to eye with them. She can’t bring herself to it because she hasn’t gone that far yet.

  • @smoker5989
    @smoker5989 4 ปีที่แล้ว +674

    How did Ellie go from the cute sarcastic little girl from the first game to this?

    • @kyiaao
      @kyiaao 4 ปีที่แล้ว +349

      Probably after helplessly witnessing Joel get his head clubbed in front of her

    • @LuccatielD7
      @LuccatielD7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +235

      Easy: bad writing.

    • @samc5306
      @samc5306 4 ปีที่แล้ว +230

      What? Cute sarcastic little girl? She's always been like this. You know how many people she's killed in the first game? You remember when she killed David? Also she gave all these people a chance to survive as she only wanted Abby but yet they chose to attack her instead which made them die.

    • @HomeDefender30
      @HomeDefender30 4 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      I’m not standing up for this game so don’t take this the wrong way.... but she has been killing people since she was what 12-13? That kind of takes a toll on people.

    • @ggamesgarner8027
      @ggamesgarner8027 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Comrade Doggo it really seemed like she was like this before Joel died tho.

  • @shardulsatrange
    @shardulsatrange 4 ปีที่แล้ว +192

    Okay for the confuses ones in the comments saying , " but the dog trying to kill her" ..yes exactly and so was Abby.

    • @Beforezzz
      @Beforezzz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Abby only tried killing Ellie after she wasted pretty much everyone she ever cared about. In the end, Ellie threatened Lev to force Abby to fight her sooo...

    • @mariatsv5503
      @mariatsv5503 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@Beforezzz Mate, Abby's reactions to the deaths of her friends were undeniably underwhelming. She only went full crisis mode once she discovered Owens body. Apart from that, not once did she mention Nora, Jordan, Lea and even Mel. Even in S.Barbara she only "wrote" to Owen. Besides, not once did she show any signs of remorse for her actions. Also, she only spared Dina cause of Lev. On the other hand, Ellie s revenge (I personally really vibed with that unlike her) mentally and physically drained her. In my opinion, she should have died, I really wanted her to die. It seems to me that the whole story is pointless and I strongly believe that the reason behind that ending wasnt "revenge is bad" , but "lets make a 3rd game about Abby and Lev and try to parallel their relationship with Joel and Ellie's".

    • @Beforezzz
      @Beforezzz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@mariatsv5503 I'm not your mate, and I was only explaining to that guy why Ellie letting Abby go isn't the same as letting the dog rip her throat out.

    • @Beforezzz
      @Beforezzz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@aakarshpai75 I know what they meant by mate. My goodness, I'm not five.

    • @marcomarco6834
      @marcomarco6834 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mariatsv5503 u wish

  • @wolvez28
    @wolvez28 ปีที่แล้ว +191

    Still cant believe that this game forced us to do all of these things and then didnt even give us an option in the end to kill Abby

    • @novembersneverending
      @novembersneverending ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Did you understand any of the games theme? Does every story need to be a comic book level "the good guys win!!" satisfaction, grow up.

    • @wolvez28
      @wolvez28 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      @@novembersneverending I think that by implying I wanted a "good guys win" ending you kind of outed yourself as not understanding what I was saying at all.
      Throughout the entire game Elly, and by extension the player, is forced to kill and maim human beings, a dog, a pregnant woman, with no input from the player. The games story then turns around and says "feel bad about this" which, its emotional impact was lost on me because I had no choice or it all happened in cutscenes.
      Then at the very end, after all bloodshed had been done, after a fight to virtually the death, Elly, with no player input, spares Abby.
      Writing a story about death and revenge and how it corrupts is fine, and I actually like the game. My problem with it is that video games are an interactive medium. At no point is this the players choice in any capacity. There is no "no kill" run in this game. And I think the story is negatively impacted by this. In Dishonored or Red Dead Redemption 2 when your main character gets the bad end because you as a player were a shitty person, it hits more than because the game forced you to then told you to feel bad.
      Just my opinion. If they didnt want to allow Elly to go through a no kill path as an option, albeit harder one, they should have at least given the player a choice in the end about Abbys fate. Make it a worse option sure but choice is there. It makes no sense for her to give up automatically at that point after everything.

    • @edmundliankalang5925
      @edmundliankalang5925 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Look at it this way: "I've murdered all your friends, now you just gotta love with it."

    • @shadycal27
      @shadycal27 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I actually was hoping Abby didn’t die. I somewhat sympathized with her more than Ellie and loved her story arch and gameplay.

    • @dragonl4d216
      @dragonl4d216 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It's a linear story game. You don't get the option not to kill the doctor as Joel, or to just give up Ellie to the Fireflies in part 1. TLOU 2 has told a pretty satisfying story overall. Joel killed Abby's father and Abby killed Joel. It's tragic but it would be best for everyone to end there. If Ellie killed Abby, then Lev would have become the one seeking revenge on Ellie and getting Dina involved and the vicious cycle continues.

  • @jetstreamchad4712
    @jetstreamchad4712 4 ปีที่แล้ว +205

    TBH im just glad tommy survived tho

    • @christopherv623
      @christopherv623 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You’re in for a treat buddy

    • @slight7596
      @slight7596 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Christopher Vidal pretty sure he just loses an eye lol

    • @samjr1151
      @samjr1151 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@christopherv623 Hes still alive just lost his eyesight on his right eye.

    • @legendoflegends1698
      @legendoflegends1698 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      me too, but he lost everything

    • @GenshinLover283
      @GenshinLover283 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@samjr1151 at least Ellie still has him, I guess.

  • @joshw9426
    @joshw9426 3 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    If u listen closely to when Tommy comes in and says Ellie thats actually Joel’s voice, a pre cool detail

  • @timelordastrodo6408
    @timelordastrodo6408 4 ปีที่แล้ว +304

    I felt sympathy for the dog. She was a real sweetheart in Abby's gameplay

    • @xfdmx7dolorit629
      @xfdmx7dolorit629 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      RIP ALICE

    • @zenituragaming5043
      @zenituragaming5043 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      That's what they wanted you to feel to sympathize with abby

    • @ShadowKari
      @ShadowKari 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      well still protecting evil so good riddance.

    • @FreshZCORD
      @FreshZCORD 4 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      @@zenituragaming5043 me sympathizing with the dog doesn't make me sympathize with abby

    • @zenituragaming5043
      @zenituragaming5043 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@FreshZCORD no you see abby pets the dog ellie kills the dog it's just a fucking cheap storytelling mechanic

  • @Kuchen_Dienstag
    @Kuchen_Dienstag ปีที่แล้ว +50

    So actually a triple kill plus the dog. That's impressive! I really liked this scene

    • @GermaTroo
      @GermaTroo ปีที่แล้ว

      Your weird

  • @superman-007
    @superman-007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1597

    The acting graphics and game mechanics are good but the story script is horrible

    • @badreedinedjellali1328
      @badreedinedjellali1328 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      why the hell would Lora builly voices a character like abby oh yeah because of money

    • @calvingonsalves7293
      @calvingonsalves7293 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      The story wasn't bad, it just wasn't real like the first part.

    • @boryontotheleader2328
      @boryontotheleader2328 4 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      @@calvingonsalves7293 in other words, it's shit

    • @somestuff7468
      @somestuff7468 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      BoRyonto The Leader agreed

    • @rebotsomat
      @rebotsomat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The dialogue is fine, you are talking about the actual story beats.

  • @PonyJarCollector
    @PonyJarCollector 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1936

    All this to not kill Abbomination in the end. Pitiful...

    • @valen8560
      @valen8560 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      yeah wtf, and she showed the strong desire to even left Dina too,
      all these only to bring out the fight with Abby who didn't want to
      AND spared her when Ellie could've choked her to death
      seriously wtf

    • @HappyPotat
      @HappyPotat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Think pf it this way, it's got to hurt more being the only one to not die.

    • @JT044-iz1cv
      @JT044-iz1cv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Gotta sequel bait somehow.Even though K doubt many people will buy the 3rd game.

    • @julianmarco4185
      @julianmarco4185 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@HappyPotat Giagantor Abby held a grudge for 4 years with her daddy. And she didn't end Ellie when she had the chance. And now all her friends are dead. Do you think she is just going to let this go?

    • @dogestranding5047
      @dogestranding5047 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      As if Ellie isn't a shitty character herself.

  • @dy031101
    @dy031101 4 ปีที่แล้ว +679

    So she killed, on account of mere association, people who didn't club Joel to death but spared the person who did?
    What is this crap!? That's Naughty Dogs' idea of revenge?
    No, I'm sorry, I'd expect this sort of things from Hentai, but at least that subset of Hentai doesn't take itself seriously.

    • @baconingbad
      @baconingbad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      No, this is their idea of anti-revenge narrative. It sucks bad either way though.

    • @ETAFan
      @ETAFan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +85

      She also forgave Abby but not the bigot sandwich dude for making fun of her.

    • @queenastrid4278
      @queenastrid4278 4 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      you're just being inmature since the moment that you assumed that the game is about avenging Joel.
      Ellie regreted this and she showed it when she saw Mel was pregnant, and the same hapenned with those that attacked her even when she tried to be mercyful.
      This is not Naughty Dog's idea of revenge, this is Naughty Dog showing how revenge ends taking away more things of what it gives. And how people from this cruel world are still humans that can empathyze with the others like Abby did with Yara and Lev and like Ellie did with Abby in the end. Grow up, they aren't just some animals killing each other to entertain you

    • @Zeegoku1007
      @Zeegoku1007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@queenastrid4278
      Finally someone with a decent criticism !

    • @realpplayers3
      @realpplayers3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +83

      @@queenastrid4278 say whatever you want, the storyline is pointless

  • @prafullarjeria
    @prafullarjeria 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    All three attacked her first and tried to kill her.. Title should say Ellie saves herself.

    • @marcor6284
      @marcor6284 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Uhm, no? Actually it's Owen who SAVES Ellies Life in that house in the beginning...

    • @Emolt76
      @Emolt76 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ehhhh sort of! Besides I don't know about you, but Ellie ain't no Sociopath. The revelation understandably still wounded her.

  • @axeld2150
    @axeld2150 4 ปีที่แล้ว +418

    And yet she couldn't kill the one and only abby
    Edit: what the fuck happen in the comments?

    • @pierregotwings
      @pierregotwings 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ツᴍʀ.ᴀsᴄᴇɴᴅ the whole thing pisses me off and let’s start with Joel death.

    • @jogymogy3691
      @jogymogy3691 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      In Part 3: Abbey and Ellie join forces... Or even worse: Abbey is the new central character...

    • @rebotsomat
      @rebotsomat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Lemme guess, you read the leaks and just watched other people play, but never did it yourself without influence.

    • @MoarRobots
      @MoarRobots 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If you think killing Abby is what the narrative needed, please look over what the game's themes are again

    • @Mr.Scott86
      @Mr.Scott86 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MoarRobots so what are the themes of this game, neil himself said it was hate

  • @muhammadsyafiqadli4685
    @muhammadsyafiqadli4685 4 ปีที่แล้ว +523

    I feel bad for the people who made the graphics and the details of this game. The person who direct the story narrative is the one to blame for all of this dumpster fire.

    • @franciscomacedo4667
      @franciscomacedo4667 4 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      @Jack Adams you salty bro?

    • @TwoBlockAnime
      @TwoBlockAnime 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @Jack Adams What a pathetic soyboy

    • @thefilmwatcher1302
      @thefilmwatcher1302 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Jack Adams I’d like to see you do something better.

    • @suchtigershroob3987
      @suchtigershroob3987 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @Jack Adams How old are you, 10 ?

    • @redxhand
      @redxhand 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@suchtigershroob3987 he's 10.

  • @hugoandreasalmasol3439
    @hugoandreasalmasol3439 4 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    Joel: "You're mumbling in your sleep, i hate nightmares"
    Ellie: "yeah, me too"

  • @p0neh1
    @p0neh1 ปีที่แล้ว +304

    Ellie accidentally killed a pregnant women without knowing she was pregnant and broke down after finding out,
    Abby heard that the women she was about to kill was pregnant, and said "Good" with no hesitation.

    • @xdarkwolf2255
      @xdarkwolf2255 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      They're both bad people in a way. Abby definitely worse cause when she seeks revenge in a sadistic way but I like that Lev tells her not to and Abby chooses to not kill anyone else after that and tries to be a good person

    • @firefly9838
      @firefly9838 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Abby's seeks revenge so she bad. Ellie kills by happenstance so all is forgiven

    • @darryljack6612
      @darryljack6612 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      You are missing the point entirely... That revenge can drive someone down a path without knowledge. And this is the reason why we are shown two separate perspectives.
      Ellie's Perspective: Ellie kills Mel and she doesnt know Mel is pregnant, Ellie only finds out because Owen tells her and then Ellie opens Mel's jacket and see's truth and consequences of her revenge and breaks down.
      But then you have to flip the script.
      Abby's perspective: She comes in after leaving and sees there was an attack, Mel's jacket is open not closed meaning from Abby's perspective who ever killed Mel knew she was pregnant because it was visible.
      If the player is to indulge in the notion of an eye for an eye, then that logic continues down to Abby's portion of the game. This is why after stopping for a split second after hearing Dina is pregnant she almost follows through on it, because to her Ellie (or anyone of Ellie's comrades) killed someone she knew who was clearly and visibly pregnant.

    • @p0neh1
      @p0neh1 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@darryljack6612 And Abby is the one who decides to take revenge on a pregnant woman who didn't kill her pregnant way. I don't care. Abby sucks. Ellie's not much better. The story is told badly and should have been designed and formatted better

    • @darryljack6612
      @darryljack6612 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@p0neh1 Because that's what revenge is is, its cyclical and its blind. All abby knows is that someone from this group killed all of mine so i'll kill all of theirs. Mel was visibly pregnant so if they killed a pregnant woman with no remorse, so can i. And if the player up to this point believes in the notion of an eye for an eye, then that madness is the natural conclusion of that thinking.

  • @CowboyBebopCrew
    @CowboyBebopCrew 3 ปีที่แล้ว +620

    Man, I remember this and the scene that followed. There were definitely no winners in this game - everyone suffered. It was a great game, but extremely hard to play through.

    • @apocalypsebricksstopmotion6193
      @apocalypsebricksstopmotion6193 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I agree.

    • @xaviervega468
      @xaviervega468 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Meh, Abby still has Lev and a possible future with the Fireflies. Elle has absolutely NOTHING.

    • @sukramreddevil4576
      @sukramreddevil4576 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xaviervega468 She only lost jessie, who she didnt care about and Joel idiot! She has Tommy, Dina, JJ and home and Jackson, unlike ebby who lost her home!!!

    • @David-vq7kc
      @David-vq7kc ปีที่แล้ว +9

      thank you! I feel like everyone misses this point and just care about Joel and Ellie.

    • @elliswrigley4570
      @elliswrigley4570 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@xaviervega468 Well, that's because Lev was Abby's reason to live, Ellie just lived off vengeance until she was empty, despite seemingly living a happy life with Dina on the farm. I'm not excusing the crappy writing in moralising the antagonist half-way through the game and expecting the audience to sympathise with her through recency-bias, she is objectively more morally corrupt than Ellie, but damn I had at least wished the game gave us a CHOICE to kill her. The same scene can play out with Ellie drowning her (she doesn't lose her fingers because that felt unnecessarily cruel) and the user can stop mashing square and come to their own judgement. I know the age difference between Abby and Ellie is temporal but both were on that same track. The game ends with Ellie trying to find her reason to live after her cyclical violence comes to an end, rather than being alone and not being able to play the guitar anymore.

  • @jordanverbeek5121
    @jordanverbeek5121 4 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    4:44 He's not "inaudible" here. He clearly gasps "pregnant."

  • @LuccatielD7
    @LuccatielD7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +225

    “Revenge’s baaaad, mkay?”
    - Last of us part 2

    • @cpyd4185
      @cpyd4185 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      *Kills the whole gang*

    • @pappaashtray3869
      @pappaashtray3869 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      "Revenge is bad" is not the message, it's more to it than that, you just have to think. It's a story of forgiveness, not exactly revenge.

    • @asain3586
      @asain3586 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@pappaashtray3869
      Kill all people aside from the killer

    • @raafeyplayz7015
      @raafeyplayz7015 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pappaashtray3869 revenge is what drives the plot. And then it becomes from revenge to forgiveness last second.

    • @aibartalgatuly3011
      @aibartalgatuly3011 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pappaashtray3869 just like Abby forgave a father who was cornered trying to protect his daughter, oh no, she didn’t, she tortured Joel till his last breath right in front of Ellie. Riiiight “forgiveness”

  • @Bragglord
    @Bragglord ปีที่แล้ว +91

    When I think of Joel dying, I always come back to this clip to cheer myself up.

  • @mashriqafnan2372
    @mashriqafnan2372 4 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    John Wick: "So you killed my fucking dog. I shall have revenge"
    TLOU2: "Revenge is baaaaad. Kill randoms. Its all good in the hood."

    • @Gan3eL
      @Gan3eL 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Don't you think this thing is little more complicated than a fucking John Wick?

    • @officercat7907
      @officercat7907 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Gan3eL not really.

    • @Gan3eL
      @Gan3eL 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@officercat7907 A liiiil bit

  • @Coco_724
    @Coco_724 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    5:03 Ellie in her mind: "I just got a triple. I just got a fucking triple!"

  • @hanhnguyen5344
    @hanhnguyen5344 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    4:44 it said "inaudible" but if you listen closely you can actually hear Owen saying "pregnant". That's why Ellie know about the baby.

  • @XXXTENTAClON227
    @XXXTENTAClON227 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    “Don’t worry he doesn’t bite”
    The dog in question: 0:17

  • @sk4132
    @sk4132 4 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    I was speechless when ellie found out that she killed a pregnant woman. Even though I already knew, just seeing it happen and ellie's reaction. Just left me speechless

  • @keviune
    @keviune 3 ปีที่แล้ว +445

    I hate the excuses or criticisms/reasons on Abby's story that people think the game is trying to tell you "Abby is good, Ellie is bad" which it is clearly not doing. In the first game, we see the world and story through joels and Ellies eyes, we see their backstories etc. We learn that Joel is definitely not a good person but not a bad one either. Ellie kills people to the ones that is a threat to her and Joel e.g David.
    She does what's necessary for her survival.
    In Abbys perspective, she had a Dad that was killed by Joel, and she had a rage to kill him to get it over with. They show her good side and her perspective to the story when all the crap went down. Both of them had flaws, they killed they murdered in both sides and perspectives,
    When we played voth of them, we killed, tortured and made people suffered, Abby and Ellie. Each one of them are doing what they want to do for theirselves, they're in it for their selves and their own greed. None of them is good, each one of them has flaws and they're evil and good in a way.
    No one is an antagonist or "hero" in the game. It's two sides that they think they're doing good by fighting each otherand getting revenge but for Abby, Joel and ellie are the bad guys in her perspective. For Ellie, Abby and her group are the bad guys for killing Joel. Its two neutral sides fighting each other blindly by revenge and rage. Abby has a right to get angry and pissed by her dad being murdered and her long time friends, and so does Ellie. There's no real good side. Both are fighting for their own reasons, and it's not because of pure evil.
    If your dad got murdered, you'd go after his killer.
    If your Caretaker thats like a dad gets murdered, you're going after that/those killers.

    • @Mrgramzo96
      @Mrgramzo96 3 ปีที่แล้ว +114

      >be Ellie
      >kill woman
      >find out shes pregnant
      >feel immediate remorse
      >feel shame
      >sick to stomach
      >traumatized
      >Be Abby
      >about to kill woman
      >get told she is pregnant
      >relish the idea of killing her
      >with barely contained glee say "good"
      Naw, Abby is straight up evil

    • @Ismael-kc3ry
      @Ismael-kc3ry 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @@Mrgramzo96minutes after learning her friends were murdered, one of them also being pregnant and not knowing Ellie felt remorse. Ellie also murders far more people in cold blood over only one person. If one of them is “evil” (if you want to reduce it to that) then they both are.

    • @uzomaemmanuel3760
      @uzomaemmanuel3760 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Lol don't waste your breath on these ones, outrage is way better than reasoning.

    • @codyeaster290
      @codyeaster290 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dude, you should totally write speeches.

    • @mjmb2017
      @mjmb2017 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Show aby with a dog
      Make ellie kill dog.
      Oldest trick in the book

  • @mrsandhu1215
    @mrsandhu1215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +268

    Everyone feels sorry for Abby and her friends.
    Let’s rewind to the beginning of the game when they all watched Abby bash Joel’s head in with an iron golf club and did nothing to stop her.
    In this scene, the dog attacked Ellie, she killed it out of self defence.
    Owen and Mel tried to make a move on her, and Mel nearly killed her. All Ellie did was defend herself.

    • @jameslanier2510
      @jameslanier2510 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Ellie didn't have to be there at all. Owen was trying to defend Mel. Mel was trying to defend herself, as she had no reason to believe Ellie would let her live.

    • @evilhorst2249
      @evilhorst2249 ปีที่แล้ว

      If this was real law. Ellie would be guilty of murder 100%

    • @Noneofyourbusiness_.I._
      @Noneofyourbusiness_.I._ ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@lutzaby1997 my guy if someone points a gun to you and you attack them, why the fuck isn’t it self defense?

    • @Noneofyourbusiness_.I._
      @Noneofyourbusiness_.I._ ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@lutzaby1997 she was the instigator of the situation. If I were to pull a gun on you in the streets, and you overcome me by tackling me, you are defending yourself in that situation. Ellie literally caused this whole scene and her only self defense was against the dog.

    • @Noneofyourbusiness_.I._
      @Noneofyourbusiness_.I._ ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lutzaby1997 I agree with your second part. Nevertheless, if you were the instigator in an incident (ie you are the one who initiates a threat to another person, like pointing a gun at someone, etc) and someone defends themselves against that threat and that person who instigated it kills them, in a court of law, they would not be acting in self defense. Ellie was the one in the wrong here.

  • @tmaziriri
    @tmaziriri ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Joel saving Ellie put Abby on her revenge trail. Abby's revenge trail put Ellie on a revenge trail. At the end of it everyone they both loved was pretty much dead.
    Always remember kids, “ *He who seeks revenge digs two graves* .”

    • @novembersneverending
      @novembersneverending ปีที่แล้ว +4

      literally only person in this whole comment section to actually understand the game. makes my mind swirl seeing a hundred comments pissy that everything didnt go perfect

    • @DakotaofRaptors
      @DakotaofRaptors ปีที่แล้ว

      That's why you finish the job: Abby could very well come back

  • @drakecarter1780
    @drakecarter1780 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1169

    I don't care who Ellie kills. I'll always support her decisions.

    • @T3AMKILL
      @T3AMKILL 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      You and me both!

    • @fatgeorge5641
      @fatgeorge5641 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@T3AMKILL revenge is a folls game

    • @vipahxxx7640
      @vipahxxx7640 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What if she kills your mom?

    • @goodnight01687
      @goodnight01687 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      what if she kills joel?

    • @arongebremedhin9764
      @arongebremedhin9764 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Bruh 😭😭😭

  • @androthekim0131
    @androthekim0131 2 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    I never noticed Owen's last word was literally "pregnant." "she's pregnant" was his last words wow

    • @sharjitachowdhury5639
      @sharjitachowdhury5639 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nice catch

    • @spideyfan1278
      @spideyfan1278 ปีที่แล้ว

      Stupid idiot shoulda gave in to Ellie’s demands instead of trying to wrestle her over the gun if he was so concerned for his pregnant girlfriend.

  • @cokechang
    @cokechang 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Considering their weight difference and muscle mass, Owen is such a wuss for not tackling down Ellie when he got hold of her gun.

  • @TheRealGara
    @TheRealGara ปีที่แล้ว +11

    They set all this up to manipulate the player into feeling bad, but it just doesn't work. It's like they wanted an, "oh what have I done" moment, but it landed flat for me. I constantly felt like I was being beat over the head in to feeling sorry for characters rather than letting me reach those conclusions on my own with good writing.

    • @oogabooga9100
      @oogabooga9100 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      lazy writing from this game = overly privileged white liberals that have had everything handed to them.

    • @anotherrandomguy8871
      @anotherrandomguy8871 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I just really don’t give a shit about Mel and Owen. Like nice, the hired murderer mercenaries that are part of a group that would kill a civilian for any petty reason, have a backstory, cool can I get back to playing as Ellie? Doesn’t even Abby say that they’ve killed kids before out of defense? But oh look at the poor dog that Abby killed in self defense, Ellie is so evil for that!

  • @kingduran5603
    @kingduran5603 4 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    Did anybody herd owen say "she's pregnant"in a whisper voice

    • @justanuff
      @justanuff 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Nah mate the game says its *INAUDIBLE* and what the game says, is reality.
      Jokes, i heard it.

    • @azozmckenzie
      @azozmckenzie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yeaah I barley heard it!! He was like: she’s... ahh. .. pregnant.

  • @jslartey2
    @jslartey2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Revenge is complicated, guys. By the time Ellie had the opportunity to kill Abby, she probably realized it wouldn’t bring her the peace she was looking for. She would’ve had to kill Lev to prevent him from going after her for killing Abby. That’s more blood on her hands, and innocent blood at that. I think Ellie chose to let them live as a means to an end for all of it.

  • @TrystonTX
    @TrystonTX 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    “Revenge is a fool’s game” - Arthur Morgan

  • @LarryXLR
    @LarryXLR ปีที่แล้ว +113

    Game developers: I'm sure the players will have sympathy for both Ellie AND Abby. As well as Abby's friends.
    Most players: Uhm no. Abby's squad trash.

    • @grookeymon
      @grookeymon ปีที่แล้ว +4

      yep, i rly dont like abby lol
      she killed Joel!!!!!

    • @davidthirugnanakumar7888
      @davidthirugnanakumar7888 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@grookeymon the same Joel who let the entire humanity doom also killed Abby friends

    • @grookeymon
      @grookeymon ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidthirugnanakumar7888 she.killed.jeol.
      NOBODY KILLS JOEL 😭

    • @grookeymon
      @grookeymon ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@davidthirugnanakumar7888 also watch game theories vid about ellie not actually being imune.
      It was the right choice to save ellie.Shes not even immune in the first place lol.

    • @YouthfulResentment
      @YouthfulResentment ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@grookeymon If she weren't immune she would've turned when she got bit like everyone else, or better yet, would have been coughing up a storm when she was with Dinah and Nora.

  • @qrimsonrex7836
    @qrimsonrex7836 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    0:32 "You made me look bad! Booga-booga-booga!"

  • @yamuna6154
    @yamuna6154 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    For all Ellie knows that could of been her 87th time killing a pregnant woman. Like what Joel said “Don’t dwell on it.”

  • @DeadEditz9177
    @DeadEditz9177 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    0:27 that made me feel sad, I hate it when dogs and other cute animals die

    • @Aeviu
      @Aeviu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Ellie literally kills over a hundred dogs in the game, I don't think this is the game for you

  • @lalexonelifer
    @lalexonelifer ปีที่แล้ว +11

    If you only knew how much I don't give a f*ck about her pregnancy, you'd start crying.

    • @Portal-ht3ub
      @Portal-ht3ub ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I want to know. Because I despise everyone in this game.

  • @MJ-eh6bw
    @MJ-eh6bw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    In Ellie’s defence she didn’t know Mel was pregnant until after she kills her. It’s clear she felt bad after.

    • @kingpin22s
      @kingpin22s ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Regardless, she acted in self defense. That clears her of any wrongdoing. She didn't even want to kill them, they're the ones that attacked. She just wanted a location.

    • @darryljack6612
      @darryljack6612 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@kingpin22s That isnt self defense, if you break into someone's house and hold them at gunpoint, and then they tried to fight back. That is you being the aggressor. The self defense is on their end.

    • @pringledcheetos5040
      @pringledcheetos5040 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@darryljack6612 Thank you, good sir! People have been saying Ellie was acting on self-defence for this whole comment section and it was getting really grating

    • @darryljack6612
      @darryljack6612 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pringledcheetos5040 It's a thing many fandoms do where they behave like a horse with blinders on. And they forget that our protagonists are our guides and not the only character in their world.

  • @bateshell2
    @bateshell2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    During the production of TLOU1, Tess was originally supposed to be a villian traveling all over the country to kill Joel. The developers decided that Tess travelling all around the country was too unrealistic and also changed her into an ally.
    Now, that "unrealistic" concept has materialised, in form of both Ellie and Abby travelling all "across the country" to kill each other.

    • @calwu8252
      @calwu8252 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Not really. They travel to 3 states, Wyoming, Washington and California. And in the first game they literally travel across the country anyway.
      I swear you find the most dogshit arguments to nitpick at the game.

    • @GenericProtagonist7
      @GenericProtagonist7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@calwu8252 It baffles me that you people still rabidly defend this game

    • @calwu8252
      @calwu8252 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GenericProtagonist7 Not like it’s hard to defend when 90% of the “criticisms” are bandwagoning hate with surface level analysis lmao. Honestly it’s kind of fun seeing how stupid so many of peoples complaints are. Just look at the comments further down, you have people that think Ellie killing a dog (that was trying to kill her) is ‘too far’ and thus bad writing. Utter morons.

    • @bateshell2
      @bateshell2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Don't get me wrong, I still love TLOU2, especially for the graphics, atmosphere and the vastly superior gameplay mechanics.
      I just find certain story points baffling, especially when the "unrealistic concept" earlier scrapped by the developers is implemented in full force here.
      But I'll respect whatever the game producer wants us to see.

    • @msaadah1223
      @msaadah1223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@GenericProtagonist7 How tf is that a rabid defense? They're literally just saying "Well that's a bad argument since the first game did this" (which is a good argument)

  • @GodotOfficial
    @GodotOfficial 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Ellie: *beats the person that killed her beloved surrogate father*
    Ellie: ight imma let you live

    • @jessec.6876
      @jessec.6876 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Surrogate father???

    • @jamesmuise2499
      @jamesmuise2499 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ellie: You slowly killed my surrogate father. So I killed all your friends, pregnant one included, and then force you into a fight to the death by threatening the only person left in your life after you both were tortured.
      Ellie after: This is enough. Just get the f u c k out of here.

  • @ImFromFortnite
    @ImFromFortnite 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Remember ladies, being pregnant doesn't give you the ability to survive and have plot armor

  • @RenegadeShepTheSpacer
    @RenegadeShepTheSpacer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    This was one of the only satisfying moments in the entire game.

  • @firemanshadow8577
    @firemanshadow8577 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    “Pregnant Friend” should actually say: “Pregnant Friend who now hates her and now hates her even more because Ellie showed up”

  • @bawdydaram8114
    @bawdydaram8114 4 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    Something a friend said his Discord perfectly exemplified Abby’s lack of being a good protag in this TLOu story line:
    “When Ellie found out a woman she killed was pregnant, she collapsed and started hyperventilating and needed Tommy to snap her out of the trauma so she could move, But hey, Ellie is the villain guys! also she needed to torture a woman for info, clearly showed trauma as she could barely make up a sentance the scene after meanwhile Abby takes great pleasure to the fact of slitting a pregnant womans throat, taking pleasure in torturing a man for hours before killing him. Abby takes care of a little asian boy so she is a good person though!”

    • @wdarkfenix
      @wdarkfenix 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's not like that stopped her, even when she got a happy ending with her wife and child she gave it all up for her revenge

    • @FredVF241
      @FredVF241 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I think the point here is there is no such thing as heroes or villains. They're just people with their reasons to do what they do, good or bad.
      People somehow misses this point while playing the game, either seeing Ellie as the hero and Abby as the villain and vice versa. The point is they are enemies, yes, but they're not villains or heroes at all.
      This game makes you face what you've been doing all the time at the moment you change to Abby's perspective. And yes, she killed Joel out of revenge and it's pretty easy to just hate her or consider her a villain. Well, she's not: she had her reasons, and even when she had the chance, she didn't kill Ellie. She had the chance twice, indeed, and she didn't do it. Maybe Lev had something to do with this, ok, but the point is she let Ellie go.
      This game is not for everyone, I think. You need to empathize with both sides in order to enjoy it. If you don't, you'll just find yourself hating it. I guess people didn't like to be forced to play as the woman who killed their beloved main character from the first game, and that's the reason for so much hate.
      I enjoyed personally, but it made me feel bad from time to time. I'm even trying to convince myself to play a second time and go through Joel's death again. I'm not sure I'm gonna be able to do it right now.

    • @codfather111ify
      @codfather111ify 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@FredVF241 "you need to empathize with both sides". That's exactly where they got it wrong. They made it impossible for most ppl to empathize with Abby because they've known Ellie and Joel for almost a decade. They also made her way less human than Ellie, constantly feeling zero remorse for her actions. She killed the face of the franchise. Hard to make ppl like her after that. That's like Game of Thrones trying to make you like Joffrey after killing Ned in season 1.

    • @thompoz7114
      @thompoz7114 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ellie did kill a pregnant woman, Abby did not. No matter how you try to distort reality.

    • @Faliat
      @Faliat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@thompoz7114 She only didn't because she was stopped. She was going to. The intent was still there. Difference is, Ellie killed Mel not knowing she was pregnant and she pulled a blade on her and would have killed her if she didn't fight back. Abby had Dina in her arms not fighting back completely at her mercy and was still going to kill her until Lev asked her not to. Abby STILL comes off worse with direct comparisons between them both.

  • @oliverpony
    @oliverpony 2 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    Owen was one of the more Decent characters He did feel some sympathy towards Ellie and Joel
    And he stopped Manny from killing Ellie
    But that may have been his biggest mistake

    • @rachelbacon1558
      @rachelbacon1558 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      He cheated on his pregnant girlfriend

    • @matics898
      @matics898 ปีที่แล้ว

      He was still complicit in the barbaric way Abby killed Joel. Fuck him and his cuckold girlfriend.

    • @eskindermamo4178
      @eskindermamo4178 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rachelbacon1558 yeah but I can see how complicated it is. He wanted Abby since he was a child but she was focused on her vengeance and couldn’t prioretize him. This made him hopeless so He tried to move on but this window opened when she finally got hear vengeance and he still loved her.

    • @josephtapia4384
      @josephtapia4384 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@rachelbacon1558 he also got both his pregnant gf and their unborn child killed as well!!

  • @homiesoprano
    @homiesoprano 4 ปีที่แล้ว +675

    Best part of the game

    • @SuperVoidBoyz
      @SuperVoidBoyz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +126

      You know what else is kinda funny. Mel the pregnant lady put up more of a fight then Owen did.

    • @baconingbad
      @baconingbad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      The Void Boyz Owen didn’t even manage to fight Ellie, lol. He got shot in an attempt to disarm her and Mel used the situation to attack Ellie.

    • @ethanbradshaw2858
      @ethanbradshaw2858 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Poor doggy tho

    • @Joeyy1024
      @Joeyy1024 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Ya, the flashbacks were the best part of the game.

    • @chiyosake
      @chiyosake 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hell yeah brother!

  • @KayamaKoomori
    @KayamaKoomori 4 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    I love it how this game goes out of it's way to make you believe that Ellie is the bad guy.

    • @DeutscherPatrick
      @DeutscherPatrick 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Where does the Game do That

    • @muchduck3754
      @muchduck3754 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@DeutscherPatrick when you’re forced to kill dogs, when you kill a pregnant lady, the fact that she has a completely different personality from the first game, etc.

    • @DeutscherPatrick
      @DeutscherPatrick 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@muchduck3754 you know that you have to kill them or you die.
      It’s all self defense and what did you expect her to have the same personality she had years ago as a 14 year old after all she experienced?

    • @deriksandoval5263
      @deriksandoval5263 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@muchduck3754 I know I'm late but after playing the first game, Ellie is not okay at all after David. Ellie went thru some shit.

  • @eiji862
    @eiji862 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    The worst part about scenes like this is that literally after we then play from Abby’s perspective and the game tries to make us feel terrible for what we did as Ellie. You know what would’ve made this structure work? If We played Abby’s section first. And keep it a secret up until the beginning of Ellie’s section what became of Joel. That would’ve helped us form a bind with Abby’s character and we’d have understood more as to why she killed Joel so that when the scene came we’d be rooting for her as well as against her since we love Joel and by this point in the story we’d understand where Abby was coming from. Literally this entire story could’ve been fixed for the most part had the structure of the story been designed to not mess with your feelings.

    • @dustinjones7458
      @dustinjones7458 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yeah, it'd have a much stronger impact of we got to know Abby and her motivations...before she killed the loved main character of the last game we spent time with lol we're supposed to emphasize with this stranger and her crazy friends before we even know or care about them. Or were we intended to forgive her? Because I never could. It's why the ending strikes so many people as awkward.
      You got it right. The game goes for moving storytelling, but it comes across emotionally manipulative.

    • @dragonl4d216
      @dragonl4d216 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I played TLOU 2 being very sympathetic to both Abby and Ellie. It has an entirely different theme from Part 1 but most people were blinded by their attachment to Joel to not enjoy the beauty of part 2.

    • @James-kd2qm
      @James-kd2qm ปีที่แล้ว

      The entire point of this story is to mess with your feelings your supposed to feel conflicted. Any nuanced story will be like this.

  • @Veloziraptor111
    @Veloziraptor111 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The fact that Owen, a grown man, had control of Ellie's gun arm with both hands and still got overpowered and shot by a skinny teenage girl is just pathetic.

  • @teddyloyyan1878
    @teddyloyyan1878 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    John Wick: "so you kill a dog..."

    • @fwzikurdistan7345
      @fwzikurdistan7345 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you put john wick in this, he will annihilate everyone

  • @coladict
    @coladict 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    They could have both lived if they hadn't tried to kill Ellie.
    Someone fights their way through that city all the way to where they are and they think they stand a chance?

  • @leakedmilk1315
    @leakedmilk1315 4 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Watched this after seeing moistkritikal moist meter, they do use the "im pregnant" card alot huh

  • @arc1419
    @arc1419 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    4:40 I like how owen could potencially saying where abby is but ellie just touchs the wound making it even more painful and more hard to him to say where is she

  • @Gamemaker151
    @Gamemaker151 4 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    So you're telling me she kills everyone in sight except for the person that killed Joel..........

    • @legend_creed8083
      @legend_creed8083 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Jack Adams so what’s your problem?

    • @Shensdojo7
      @Shensdojo7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Glad she didn't

    • @DarKoGameplaysyMas
      @DarKoGameplaysyMas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Jack Adams Or better let's criticize this game as everyone should

    • @DarKoGameplaysyMas
      @DarKoGameplaysyMas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Shensdojo7 The game wouldn't be so hated if she did

    • @Shensdojo7
      @Shensdojo7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@DarKoGameplaysyMas I'm still glad she didn't

  • @zaerberus9623
    @zaerberus9623 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The saddest part was when Abby found Alice (her dog) and I realized that was the random dog I killed. :(

  • @5os4ku
    @5os4ku 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    4:40 she really did the batman asswhoop and “now talk”

  • @yungsinna3678
    @yungsinna3678 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Ellie: kills a pregnant woman and has a mental breakdown
    Abby: has a knife to a pregnant girls throat and even after hearing that information still wants to end her life
    And they still want me to root for this character

    • @darryljack6612
      @darryljack6612 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Then you are missing the point entirely... That revenge can drive someone down a path without knowledge. And this is the reason why we are shown two separate perspectives.
      Ellie's Perspective: Ellie kills Mel and she doesnt know Mel is pregnant, Ellie only finds out because Owen tells her and then Ellie opens Mel's jacket and see's truth and consequences of her revenge and breaks down.
      But then you have to flip the script.
      Abby's perspective: She comes in after leaving and sees there was an attack, Mel's jacket is open not closed meaning from Abby's perspective who ever killed Mel knew she was pregnant because it was visible.
      If the player is to indulge in the notion of an eye for an eye, then that logic continues down to Abby's portion of the game. This is why after stopping for a split second after hearing Dina is pregnant she almost follows through, because to her Ellie (or anyone of Ellie's comrades) killed someone she knew who was clearly and visibly pregnant.

    • @yungsinna3678
      @yungsinna3678 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@darryljack6612 bro I know the point of the story it was just poorly executed, Ellie says “she’s pregnant” and Abby replies “good” so she was going to end dinas life which I wasn’t against for the record but they try so hard to make me sympathize with Abby and it just doesn’t work

    • @darryljack6612
      @darryljack6612 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@yungsinna3678 Because to her Ellie ended a pregnant Mel's life with no problem as well. Its about seeing the full picture not siding with one over the other.

    • @yungsinna3678
      @yungsinna3678 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@darryljack6612 literally the whole story is about siding with one or the other basically asking wether Ellie’s actions mean anything or not like when Abby and Ellie gun down hundreds of random people for their own reasons but that has no effect on the story Abby is a horrible person and she shouldn’t be given any sympathy whatsoever same with Ellie so either way everyone sucks and nobody wins

    • @darryljack6612
      @darryljack6612 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@yungsinna3678 Your half way there, its not about siding with one or the other. But more so understanding both of them and condemning both of them and their actions. They are 2 sides of the same coin, your right everyone sucks and nobody wins and that's the point. They are playing fool's game of revenge. Its about knowing when to stop, when to think, and to try to understand and being better. Not just feeling sorry for someone and or seeing that only one's sides thoughts and actions as valid.

  • @MiguelGarcia-dn8qm
    @MiguelGarcia-dn8qm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Anyone notice that when Tommy arrives and you hear “Ellie...Ellie...” it’s not Tommy’s voice actor? It’s Troy Baker. Ellie was so out of it and gone she heard Joel’s voice instead of Tommy. It’s easy to miss but so cool.

  • @LightningCayo
    @LightningCayo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    The game expects us to pretend to care about their deaths when playing as Abby? No. Pathetic.

    • @emilymurillo4676
      @emilymurillo4676 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      yea its a game not rl.

    • @Shensdojo7
      @Shensdojo7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I like Abby more than Ellie, so in my case...

    • @jacobsaunders1092
      @jacobsaunders1092 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@Shensdojo7 then you are lost!

    • @Shensdojo7
      @Shensdojo7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jacobsaunders1092 xD

    • @HaYouGotRekTed
      @HaYouGotRekTed 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I feel bad for abbys freinds because they all died due to abbys mistakes.

  • @jeremiah3178
    @jeremiah3178 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I don't care if it was Danny devito's dog if it jumps me with lethal intent I won't hesitate to kill

    • @jessec.6876
      @jessec.6876 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ellie raised you right huh?

    • @ImaginaryNate
      @ImaginaryNate 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jessec.6876 Yup, raised all of us right.

  • @xViperGTR
    @xViperGTR 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    That quote that Arthur mentions in RDR2 applies here, “Revenge is a fools game”, think about all the stuff that Ellie lost going after Abby, just to let her live in the end of Part 2

    • @sukramreddevil4576
      @sukramreddevil4576 ปีที่แล้ว

      If she killed Ebby she would lose even more in the future violence breeds violence🤷‍♂🤷‍♂

    • @memoryofsalem4474
      @memoryofsalem4474 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sukramreddevil4576 no it doesnt, just kill everyone and leave. Done. No ones gonna chase after you if no one's left

  • @yourneighbour5738
    @yourneighbour5738 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    3:29 What wizard wrote this? I don't think they realize how stupid it is to get someone to walk closer when you hold a pistol to them.