I think these would be more interesting if each shooter briefly showed and described his firearm, it's a dimension that's unknown unless you're personally acquainted with the shooter, which most viewers aren't. It's hard to tell as the videos don't have the detail...
I agree but I was filming while competing so my priority was first to shoot we’ll. Plus there’s 30-60 shooters so that would take a while. But I agree with you
+Herrdesrings I have a 10/22 and a Savage MK II, both are nice but can't beat the Savage with the Ruger until you spend a few hundred bucks on a barrel and stock. Expensive Mach 22lr ammo is key when shooting either rifle. I use RWS-50 and Eley Match. I have never shot them at 50yards... Only at 109 yards since the range I go to has a berm at 109yards at 218yards and at 328 yards.
+ZeroBoostBuick With 22's it's all about the ammo. Most of the bolt action guys are shooting Lapua Center X, the Kidd and other semi-auto guys are using SK Standard Plus and others.
Very enjoyable to watch however, a side by side would be preferable to watch instead of over and under. At least for us older folks! Thanks, nice video!
Yes, the idea is to stop when you're at your limit. If the target does not swing, it's not counted as a hit and you lose all the points you've gained for that stage.
Time depends on the month. Generally you get 45-90 seconds, shorter if we’re shooting it at 25 yards prone, more time if we’re shooting unsupported or further away. When shot as a true Know Your Limits format the idea is that the shots become progressively more challenging so the shooter must recognize when they have reached the limit of how accurately & precisely they can shoot. If you are over confident and you miss, you loose all your points. If you feel you’ve reached your limit you stop and bank your points. The first 6 targets are worth the same # of points each, the 7th is considerably more and 8th is worth far more. As I recall it’s 1 point then 15 PRs for #7 and 25 pts for #8 which is only 1/4”
Walker Bait when is a strike a strike....when the umpire says it is. I don’t run the match, I just shoot in it and the match director is very strict. He calls it like he sees it and it’s not always perfect but it is what it is.
Before burning out the barrel? Unlike centerfire rifles where barrel life can be from as little as 800-1000 round in a very over-bored cartridge like the 6.5 by 284 to 7000-8000 round in a .308 the 22 LR is such low speed and pressure that the barrel literally doesn't wear out. It all depends on the purpose of the rifle and the accuracy you are expecting. Those that are the most concerned with accuracy and barrel life are benchrest shooters and from what I'm seeing at the most anal end of the spectrum some are saying 3500 rounds but most are saying they are running barrels with 50,000+ rounds down them. For the typical person I don't think you'll ever need to replace the barrel.
Jurie Uys As I mentioned before, you're not going to burn out a 22 barrel. So it should never "go bad". As far as swapping out the barrel, yes you can swap the 452 barrels, the luxe is no different to my knowledge.
I had a single shot .22 heavy barrel target rifle which had just over 100,000 rounds through it. I practiced with it every day , shooting one box [ 50 rounds ] after work. Aside from needing a periodic good cleaning, it didn't seem to lose any accuracy.@@LongRangeShootersofUtah
There are a lot of Kidd Supergrade Rifles that come with a custom McMillan stock from Kidd. Others are using the Titan Stock. Is there a particular rifle in the video that you're asking about? If so tell me what minute mark and I'll find out.
Or any of them? Why not give that information? And is a Ruger that has only the receiver from the original gun still a Ruger? They've gone to court against copies for less.
This range for shot with scope and laydawn ¡, We make 25, 50, 75, 100 m, stand up, with no gloves and no scopes. with scope only to 100, 150, 200 , 380 and 450 m, all the modalities stand up, no lases or nothing who can fix or support your rifle.
The rules are found in the video description. This is a "Know Your Limits" stage designed to test not only marksmanship but also decision making because the shooter can choose to stop at any point and bank their points but if they shoot and miss, they get a zero for the entire stage. Their are 8 targets from 2" down to 1/4". The first 6 targets are worth 10 pts each but the 2nd to last is worth 15 and the very last is worth 25 pts. It can pay off huge if you hit all targets and clear the stage but if you shoot and miss any of the targets you get a zero and you're finished. This forces you to truly "know your limits" and know when to take a shot and when not to risk it. It's by far the best stage they do.
+Swade Corley when is a strike a strike? When the umpire says it is. The RO is watching thru a spotting scope and if it doesn't swing enough for his liking it's a miss.
I'm not arguing with you, just stating that this is what likely took place. In years past if it even sounded like it hit and spun off he would count it but he's gotten much tougher as the match has become more competitive.
Long Range Shooters of Utah, LLC I feel like the guy at 8:00 deserves more than what he got. that wasn't fair, total BS. he could've came back and shot every one of those targets, which would've put him in 1st or 2nd
Why is this contest not a shoot until you miss with no disqualification, instead of a zero if you miss? Seems like it would be a better test of marksmanship.
This is just one stage of 10 stages in the competition. Many of the stages are shot on paper and don't have a sudden death zero like this one but that is what makes this stage by far the favorite at the match. Regarding a test of marksmanship, I don't know how you could have a better test of marksmanship. The very name of the target style, "know your limits" indicates the purpose of the stage. A marksman needs to know his limits and when he should or shouldn't take a shot. I have to kindly disagree with you on that part.
You really have people showing up with 10-22's against real rifles? You will literally never win unless you are shooting against poor marksmen. Anyone who brings a semi automatic to a precision competition cant be classified as "best" in my opinion.
The 0.22LR standard velocity they are shooting has so little recoil that with a semi, keeping your eye in the scope and moving to the next target is an apparent advantage to be weighed against any possible bolt advantage. Remember it's timed so could save critical time for the last 2 targets.
A 10-22 with good ammo is as accurate as say a CZ452/455/457 with good ammo. Sure you can get into the world of stupid accurate Anschutz rifles and other custom builds, but out of the box, they're not gonna be very different.
@@np22-b2i no an automatic action is not as accurate as a bolt action, that’s just stupidity, and it is contrary to more than one hundred years of proven and repeatable results. Only an idiot would say something like that.
Don't take this the wrong way but you're missing the point of the target. It's called a KYL "know your limits" target because if you shoot and miss you lose all your points. If you don't think you can make the next shot then you stop and bank your points. This competition is extremely competitive. If you miss one of these and shot the rest of the match nearly perfect you would likely not make the top 10 or maybe top 5. You have to be very strategic and smart. I took 4th out of 111 shooters for the year having shot 11 of the 12 matches and winning several. This target can be very stressful depending on the distance and how they have us shoot it.
I think these would be more interesting if each shooter briefly showed and described his firearm, it's a dimension that's unknown unless you're personally acquainted with the shooter, which most viewers aren't. It's hard to tell as the videos don't have the detail...
I agree but I was filming while competing so my priority was first to shoot we’ll. Plus there’s 30-60 shooters so that would take a while. But I agree with you
Friend, thank you very much for your valuable information. I'm going to propose this new competition in my club. Greetings from Lima, Peru.
You guys are great nice to see the boy this is outstanding reminded me of my son
Thank you. We love to see the youth out at matches.
Cant believe how much those swing for a .22 LR!
thank you for replying i appreciate it
that looks fun!
Gotta love the ruger 10 22 platform for perfoming just like a bolt action if not better
+Herrdesrings I have a 10/22 and a Savage MK II, both are nice but can't beat the Savage with the Ruger until you spend a few hundred bucks on a barrel and stock.
Expensive Mach 22lr ammo is key when shooting either rifle.
I use RWS-50 and Eley Match.
I have never shot them at 50yards... Only at 109 yards since the range I go to has a berm at 109yards at 218yards and at 328 yards.
+ZeroBoostBuick With 22's it's all about the ammo. Most of the bolt action guys are shooting Lapua Center X, the Kidd and other semi-auto guys are using SK Standard Plus and others.
they aren't ruger 10/22, they are generally KIDD 10/22. the stock ruger 10/22 would be pants down at this event
although I'm not a big fan of semi auto, you have to admire the quality put into the KIDD systems
pepperoni prepper I never thought I'd shoot one in competition but now I'm a believer.
looks like a hell of a good time.
What KYL target is that? I really like the rebar design
Aren't bipods on concrete pad suppose to be a bad idea, something about harmonics feedback from too solid a surface?
Que top fica em qual país muito top I Love Love 22lr
Interesting. Looks like something that would work at my club.
At 8:00, the "miss" I see impact splatter on #6. No video review I take it? That gentleman did hit #6.
It used to be that if you even grazed it you got the points but it's changed so that the target has to swing in order to count as a hit.
Why do they stop when they run out of ammo? I don’t get this???
It's a competition, they are only given x number of shots for the stage.
None ever ran out of ammo because none made it to the eighth target. You miss, you're done with a score of zero for that round.
I am also planning on trying to build my own KYL target. A close up of it or a possible video would be a great resource. But I know you guys are busy.
+cobrar85 facebook.com/VTTargets/
What ammo do they prefer using?
Lapua Center X - goo.gl/HgY9yg
Very enjoyable to watch however, a side by side would be preferable to watch instead of over and under. At least for us older folks! Thanks, nice video!
Due to the shape of the target and how the subjects were positioned, over under allowed for a much closer view.
love this challenge
what guns would you recommend for this type of shooting? Cz, savage?
Hahaha. Awesome shooting guys.
Did the same thing at my buddies range (100yrds).
Im going to say 20 seconds.
Ruger 10/22
superb shooting !
Are there rules and set up information on the net for this type of competition?
This competition no longer exists but NRL22.org has replaced it and it’s better.
Thanks for your reply. I will check that out.
If you shoot then missed do you lose your points of your hits
Yes, the idea is to stop when you're at your limit. If the target does not swing, it's not counted as a hit and you lose all the points you've gained for that stage.
Do not get the course of fire...3,4,5 hits? What's the time?
Time depends on the month. Generally you get 45-90 seconds, shorter if we’re shooting it at 25 yards prone, more time if we’re shooting unsupported or further away. When shot as a true Know Your Limits format the idea is that the shots become progressively more challenging so the shooter must recognize when they have reached the limit of how accurately & precisely they can shoot. If you are over confident and you miss, you loose all your points. If you feel you’ve reached your limit you stop and bank your points. The first 6 targets are worth the same # of points each, the 7th is considerably more and 8th is worth far more. As I recall it’s 1 point then 15 PRs for #7 and 25 pts for #8 which is only 1/4”
Great match
Did his thread Protector fall off?
I saw at least 2 hits called as misses. Maybe they should invest in a down range cam rather than a scope?
Walker Bait when is a strike a strike....when the umpire says it is. I don’t run the match, I just shoot in it and the match director is very strict. He calls it like he sees it and it’s not always perfect but it is what it is.
Who made the target?
+jeroth1987 vapor trail targets
Awesome Match :)
how many rounds can you put through a 22lr rifle
Before burning out the barrel? Unlike centerfire rifles where barrel life can be from as little as 800-1000 round in a very over-bored cartridge like the 6.5 by 284 to 7000-8000 round in a .308 the 22 LR is such low speed and pressure that the barrel literally doesn't wear out. It all depends on the purpose of the rifle and the accuracy you are expecting. Those that are the most concerned with accuracy and barrel life are benchrest shooters and from what I'm seeing at the most anal end of the spectrum some are saying 3500 rounds but most are saying they are running barrels with 50,000+ rounds down them. For the typical person I don't think you'll ever need to replace the barrel.
+Long Range Shooters of Utah, LLC can you put a new barrel on a cz 452 lux and how many rounds can a cz 452 lux take
Jurie Uys As I mentioned before, you're not going to burn out a 22 barrel. So it should never "go bad". As far as swapping out the barrel, yes you can swap the 452 barrels, the luxe is no different to my knowledge.
Thanks again man
I had a single shot .22 heavy barrel target rifle which had just over 100,000 rounds through it. I practiced with it every day , shooting one box [ 50 rounds ] after work. Aside from needing a periodic good cleaning, it didn't seem to lose any accuracy.@@LongRangeShootersofUtah
7:27 amazing run.
do you have a link for this target rack or one like it?
+Alome9 facebook.com/VTTargets/
thank you!
What stock are the 10/22 guys using?
There are a lot of Kidd Supergrade Rifles that come with a custom McMillan stock from Kidd. Others are using the Titan Stock. Is there a particular rifle in the video that you're asking about? If so tell me what minute mark and I'll find out.
7:25 - The 2nd place finisher.
What gun did Bryan have?
Or Jim?
Or any of them? Why not give that information? And is a Ruger that has only the receiver from the original gun still a Ruger? They've gone to court against copies for less.
This range for shot with scope and laydawn ¡, We make 25, 50, 75, 100 m, stand up, with no gloves and no scopes. with scope only to 100, 150, 200 , 380 and 450 m, all the modalities stand up, no lases or nothing who can fix or support your rifle.
Can someone explain the rules to me? Thank you.
The rules are found in the video description. This is a "Know Your Limits" stage designed to test not only marksmanship but also decision making because the shooter can choose to stop at any point and bank their points but if they shoot and miss, they get a zero for the entire stage. Their are 8 targets from 2" down to 1/4". The first 6 targets are worth 10 pts each but the 2nd to last is worth 15 and the very last is worth 25 pts. It can pay off huge if you hit all targets and clear the stage but if you shoot and miss any of the targets you get a zero and you're finished. This forces you to truly "know your limits" and know when to take a shot and when not to risk it. It's by far the best stage they do.
11:20 is that legal?!
What? His bipod? Doesn't provide any advantage in my opinion. If anything it's too bulky and gets in the way.
Long Range Shooters of Utah, LLC yeah that bipod! I've never seen anything like that before.
David Cook It's more of an F-class bipod I believe. Although in F-class most use elaborate mechanically adjustable rest
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No tiene sentido no dicen la marca antes de disparar
The guy at 8:00 hit the target
+Swade Corley when is a strike a strike? When the umpire says it is. The RO is watching thru a spotting scope and if it doesn't swing enough for his liking it's a miss.
Long Range Shooters of Utah, LLC when is a hit a hit ....
A good "umpire" would have enough common sense to know that a home run is a home run whether it is by a mile or by an inch.
I'm not arguing with you, just stating that this is what likely took place. In years past if it even sounded like it hit and spun off he would count it but he's gotten much tougher as the match has become more competitive.
Long Range Shooters of Utah, LLC I feel like the guy at 8:00 deserves more than what he got. that wasn't fair, total BS. he could've came back and shot every one of those targets, which would've put him in 1st or 2nd
Wish everyone would be quiet while they are shooting.
Why is this contest not a shoot until you miss with no disqualification, instead of a zero if you miss? Seems like it would be a better test of marksmanship.
This is just one stage of 10 stages in the competition. Many of the stages are shot on paper and don't have a sudden death zero like this one but that is what makes this stage by far the favorite at the match. Regarding a test of marksmanship, I don't know how you could have a better test of marksmanship. The very name of the target style, "know your limits" indicates the purpose of the stage. A marksman needs to know his limits and when he should or shouldn't take a shot. I have to kindly disagree with you on that part.
Do you have videos of the other stages of the match?
Just search for 22LR Marksmen Challenge also check out our NRL22 match coverage. th-cam.com/video/DxFR-oY4SHs/w-d-xo.html
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You really have people showing up with 10-22's against real rifles? You will literally never win unless you are shooting against poor marksmen. Anyone who brings a semi automatic to a precision competition cant be classified as "best" in my opinion.
The 0.22LR standard velocity they are shooting has so little recoil that with a semi, keeping your eye in the scope and moving to the next target is an apparent advantage to be weighed against any possible bolt advantage. Remember it's timed so could save critical time for the last 2 targets.
A 10-22 with good ammo is as accurate as say a CZ452/455/457 with good ammo. Sure you can get into the world of stupid accurate Anschutz rifles and other custom builds, but out of the box, they're not gonna be very different.
@@np22-b2i no an automatic action is not as accurate as a bolt action, that’s just stupidity, and it is contrary to more than one hundred years of proven and repeatable results. Only an idiot would say something like that.
yeah I stopped watching . no will to even try their best that next shot even if missed would've been an attempt to be better
Don't take this the wrong way but you're missing the point of the target. It's called a KYL "know your limits" target because if you shoot and miss you lose all your points. If you don't think you can make the next shot then you stop and bank your points. This competition is extremely competitive. If you miss one of these and shot the rest of the match nearly perfect you would likely not make the top 10 or maybe top 5. You have to be very strategic and smart. I took 4th out of 111 shooters for the year having shot 11 of the 12 matches and winning several. This target can be very stressful depending on the distance and how they have us shoot it.
That one guy got robbed. It moved. What’s the judge doing?? Idiot