Okay… I built large custom sailboats: The yacht could only sink that quickly by having the ‘tornado’ knock down the yacht. What that means is that the mast took enough windage that it was pushed down towards the water until the deck on one side was below the waterline. Because the keel was retracted - in the upright position - the yacht did not right itself as it normally would have. The water cascaded into the yacht as it was on its side because the hatches were not secured. Lesson… never leave the keel in the upright position when anchored in deep water. Lesson… when designing such a large sailing vessel with an incredibly high mask and rigging beware of the exaggerated knock down danger. Lesson… even in large luxury yachts you should not leave all the hatches unsecured at night. Terrible tragedy.
The only caveat I have to that is perhaps that something like a 'microburst' or waterspout would not have been forecast in time. Its basic knowledge to shut all hatches and maybe have an anchor watch in 'dodgy' weather, certainly they had the crew for it. But if the evening was largely calm and hot, I doubt that any of the crew would have thought about it, and it was allegedly warm enough that the mother was sleeping on deck (I guess, in some hammock or on loungers) to escape the heat below decks. I think here that nudging the facts towards "the keel was partially raised, which, given the height of the mast, put the stability of the boat in jeopardy" is a huge stretch. I'm pretty sure the Bayesian would have had the best stability design going, given the extreme height of the mast, and that the weight of the keel raised or lowered should not have been a factor. But can anyone really design a ship or yacht for unexpected weather? If a waterspout or microburst developed rapidly, at night, no one would have seen it coming, and the Met radars would not have detected it and broadcast a warning in time. So my guess is that the yacht was settled down for an expected balmy night in the Med, with enough hatches and scuttles open to provide decent ventilation, and in the dark of the night she was hit by a sea spout/ microburst, and was knocked flat in seconds, and just filled instantly though open ports and hatches. And shocking weather events do happen. Remember the Boscastle flood 20 years ago? Hot summer weather made a very localised extreme weather event. And with all the design care and attention, sometimes awful "Act of God" tragedies just happen.
so is this another example of "pilot" error, whether it be a plane or yacht or cruise ship, I wish I could trust all the professionals in the world including dr's, but the sad fact is terrible things happen, and I just don't want my life or daughters life to depend on someone I trusted..
ot eas total incompetence of the captain and crew ,it didn't spring up out of the blue they had ample time ,there was thunder and lighting ripping off and the sea was getting rougher by the minute that boat should never have sunk they had all the warning to batten down all hatches seal up the boat muster everyone to saloon and make ready with personal life preservers at hand ,the captain was weak and did,nt want to upset and discomfort his guest,s and paying master , all a ridiculous and preventable sinking
I would suggest consulting with the Yacht Builders/Designer or Skipper. Many Sailing Super-yachts are only designed to descend the keel while under way. They aren't really intended for use at anchor as they make quite a lot of noise. These yachts have a requirement to meet stability rules while the keel is either up or down.
Did you listen to this report or not? It provides the new information that the mast was intact, debunking previous speculation that the yacht capsized after the mast was struck by lightning, and also that there is video footage from security cameras on land showing that the yacht sank within 60 seconds of being hit by a "water sprout".
Why do people think that because it was hot that the hatches, port holes and external doors would be left open. This is a multi million pound vessel and such boats always come with full air conditioning. Everybody would have port holes shut in order to stay cool!
Umm no , omg…I’m a full time sailor who lives on my sailboat 1. Losing a mast IMPROVES stability as long as no hull damage occurs due to dis-masting 2. Draft of this yacht with keel in lowered position is 10m they were anchored close to shore and a keel of this weight would take some time to retract if heading to harbour to escape weather it would be prudent to retract the keel earlier than absolutely required, safer in really bad weather is to head offshore into deeper water away from obstacles ie land , the decision to weather offshore or head for harbour would have been made by the master of the vessel and if heading in the keel would have been lifted , the yacht still has to meet stability requirements with keel in either position 3. The yacht was hit by lightning and then shook to the point where open hatches allowed water to enter ? What ? No… a lightning strike can often breach the hull as it grounds , my guess is a combination of things , open hatches, reduced stability and a sudden wind force on either beam possibly, a yacht in heavy weather should have all hatches and ports secure and shut , a yacht going down quick means a large hull breach or a knock down without secured hatches, the captain would have a mimic panel in the bridge showing the status all opening ports, hatches and bulkheads , these should be closed in heavy weather this prevents the vessel from sinking quickly if at all. if the keel was retracted the master should have ensured vessel was sufficiently sealed 4. Anchored way to close to shore if weather was expected…
His boat sank after he messed with Hewlett-Packard and got cleared of the charges from his case from defrauding them. I was going to give my HP printer a one star review but I decided not to because I don't want to be the first person to drown in a toilet bowl or have a water spot form over my bath tub and make me disappear.
She's usless .She started tge lightening and demasting gossip.A boating channel showed the design of the Yatcht and its lifting keel a while ago .His theory is now the most likely .
World’s second highest mast, apparently retracted keel, open hatches and a freak water spout. As discovery channel would say, disaster is a series of events and sailing on the edge of possibilities is a risky business.
Probably not. They are primarily writing journalists. The whole “Times Radio” is just a bit of a side project for the Thunderer to attract Yanks and youth. It’s not their main job
The captain of the Bayesian, James Cutfield 51, told Italian police that he wasn’t monitoring the weather closely and the ship’s retractable keel was raised, even with an anchor depth of 160 feet. Lowering the retractable keel would have added stability and made it harder to capsize. The captain of the old sailboat anchored next to the modern Bayesian monitored the bad weather and started her engine to keep the old sailboat’s nose into the wind at anchor to keep from being rolled over in a quick wind shift. It took the Bayesian to capsize at anchor in less than 5 minutes by what the old sailboat's captain anchored next to her said. Complacent behaviour and good old-fashioned human error are seen yet again! Incidentally, I live in Malta and waterspouts are normal! They are not rare events. They were pre-warned...So much speculation when saying we must not speculate: why not?
Stinks to high heaven. His second in command in a “road accident “ three days ago . These people inhabit a corrupt horrible world where all that matters is the size of your bank account/ ego. They are welcome to it.
We are told that the keel is often up when they are not sailing as having it down would produce "undesirable motion" when at anchor. The major failure was not having a functional anchor watch. If someone had been monitoring the weather, they may have been able to take precautions such as closing hatches, lowering the keel, turning on the engines and pointing the boat toward the coming storm.
There was another yacht right next to the stricken one which carried out all those precautions as for them the storm did NOT come out the blue. Was the captain of the stricken vessel found literally sleeping at the wheel?
The captain of the old sailboat anchored next to the modern Bayesian monitored the bad weather and started her engine to keep the old sailboat’s nose into the wind at anchor to keep from being rolled over in a quick wind shift. It took the Bayesian to capsize at anchor in less than 5 minutes by what the old sailboat's captain anchored next to her said.
@@Durnyful agreed full time sailor here , never have the screws spinning on anchor in a blow unless you are moving up on the anchor chain to redeploy or retract it’s safer offshore in a blow anyway
Sometimes it’s prudent to have the engine running but out of gear in case yours or another boat drags , if you are running in gear to keep the bow into the wind you would never have an anchor deployed unless you want to lose the boat
@@funda298 no usually when a blow comes in it is at a different angle to the prevailing wind and besides wind shifts are really common and can wheel the direction by up to 30deg far faster than you will ever respond with the rudder which will unset the anchor if the boat drives forward under power rather than responding to the weather plus and this is the biggest issue it’s really hard to respond not only to direction but speed it’s really easy to misjudge and drive up on the ground tackle and either rip the shaft out of the boat or lose a prop when it hits the chain.. result , no propulsion possibly a large hole in the hull AND worst of all you lose your main anchor.. if you need to run the boat into the wind with props spinning, my god retract the anchor I’ve seen a boat lost in QLD Australia this exact way I agree with running the engine in neutral if things get hairy , but as soon as you drop into gear first job is to drive up on the anchor retracting rode/ chain , our rule is if the boat goes into gear you have to redeploy at the least
I would say the reason the yacht sank was because at a certain point it became negatively buoyant. How that came about I wouldn't care to speculate. That, is for the investigation to determine.
the yatch sank and the other guy in the trial in the usa is killed in a hit and run. then again epstien comitted sucide in prison and the guards slept through it and the camera's weren't working.
That Keel should have been fully extended to offer counter weight balance in such inclement weather if this particular vessel with such a tall Mast was to have any chance at all of surviving. If it were retracted, the vessel was doomed from the start.
I wonder when the public will be made privie to the video footage captured by the camera on the private villa that was recording the "coast line" when this freak weather event happened lol
I would imagine with pure unfounded speculation. That the integrity of a ships hull might not withstand the rigours of people who are very upset with you.
A partially retracted keel in this depth of water wouldn’t have been necessary ….that design is to allow yachts to go into shallower water when desired……and so if it was partially retracted this together with the ingress of water from open hatches was distinctly a possible cause for the sinking of this yacht in these weather conditions….
You don’t quite understand, this keel on this boat was also the ballast and a yacht like this with such a high mast and the ballast compromised ( the keel been retraced) would make it very unstable vessel in the environment that was present. Just an observation of the information that is out there. Not pointing any blame.
Everyone is a master mariner all of a sudden and start with ill informed ideas and assumptions and don’t get me started on the conspiracy theorists, a freak accident it maybe but it is still an accident, Mother Nature is a huge force and they will sadly join the many hundreds of thousands who’ve died in open water before them and the many more that will follow RIP
@@thecarpenter645 Um no the vessel would have to meet certain stability requirements with keel in any position, the vessel would have less righting ability with the keel retracted but would still have sufficient stability, the keel is designed to have a balanced righting force when sailing plus the shape of the keel ie foil, improves upwind sailing performance . Anchored that close to shore having the keel retracted would have been prudent, bear in mind the retracted keel still provides ballast and stability and on a yacht this size the keel ballast doesn’t provide all of the stability, engines , generators, bunkers and ballast tanks are designed in unison to provide stability, I dare say a yacht used in the med would usually only deploy the keel when on long passage or when sailing
@@mitchpender8113 it would have self righted even with the keel fully up ,its incompetence of the captain thats caused this sinking , he was extremely weak and did,nt want to upset and discomfort the guests and pay master , he had ample time with lighting thunder waves all around him getting worse by the minute he should have closed all hatches , port holes even if it means going into guest bedrooms and checking everyone should have been mustered to the saloon and life preservers brought to hand ,anchors can be controlled from pilot house , only most experienced hooked onto boat on a jack line allowed outside to deal with anchors , an unnecessary sinking the crew and captain was complacent , the owner also ,he should have stipulated he must be informed when sea ,wind conditions get to a certain state to oversee how catpn and crew dealing with it
The keel being lifted is a key element, the mast receiving lighting isn't, on the contrary, a shorter mast would contribute to a more stable boat. This immense mast + the keel being lifted + a storm is the perfect combination to get the boat capized, then water gets in through the hatches.
Something about the list of this yacht an being very close to a open hatch ? Idk but the build of the ship has a list at 45 degrees or something like that idk
My great grandmother gave birth to my grandfather off Cape Horn! His birth certificate says born at sea! I am glad I am here! I just hope with the climate change and these horrendous storms that all boating people will take extra precautions for boat safety! No matter how the yacht, lives are more precious and people must know when they are on a boat that things can go wrong very fast and advanced preparation can save lives! The captain must tell everyone what’s up, how to get your life jacket on and off and the procedures for a possible sinking, even if it is as unsinkable as the Titanic! It is his duty! And if that’s not agreeable to everyone on the ship, then he should not be sailing the boat! The captain stays on the boat until all passengers are off the boat!
The instruments on board were very "avant garde"? Well there is the problem. They should have had modern weather radar instruments instead of an art installation as an instrument.
The Captain will have a lot of explaining to do, as to why the keel was partially retracted when storms were expected! Was anyone minding the ship, and were preparations done to weather a potentially bad storm?
As a highly experienced and qualified professional Superyacht Captain with a lifetime's experience, this is very poor reporting. At least she accepts it's mostly all speculation at this point.
The blame game has begun. The ship was at anchor, with a retracted keel, and furled sails, this would be normal for any sailing ship. However with a draught of 9.8 m, and mast, height of 72 m, there is a serious metacentric shift. With sail deployment caused by the water spout/ tornado, this may have led to capsize. May they rest in peace. Thoughts of a retired Mariner.
Could this have been prevented though. The captain should have known the ins and outs of the boat.. and had an alarm on the boat for all to get out of need be. If they weren't far from land why couldn't help have come sooner to them .
I wonder if the shipyard did an inclining experiment with both keel deployed and retracted? Would be interesting to see what the righting moments looked like in these two configurations.
"The ship was at anchor, with a retracted keel, and furled sails, this would be normal for any sailing ship." Most sailing ships can't retract the keel.
At 68 I worked on large vessels all my life and this is definitely extremely weird. I would bet anything that the retractable keel was in the all the way up position. No doubt it was designed to go all the way up into the hull so they could go into shallow water area's.
.....and they sail smoothly in a nice breeze. Then, while rejoicing therein, violent wind blows, and the waves surround them from every side. This is when they implore God, sincerely devoting their prayers to Him alone: "If You only save us this time, we will be eternally appreciative."
Do you think someone has planned all this. Or the person may have been on board anyway who made sure the boat sank. Someone who knew what they were doing. Could it have been done on purpose do you think
*In my learned opinion a a large compressed air balloon/raft used to lift ships of the sea floor was punctured underneath the yacht and this sudden release of air reduced the buoyancy of water and capsized it. i tested it using a toy boat and puncturing a balloon submerged underneath it. the ship sank quickly.. i suggest you do it for yourself.*
This meteorological event could havesank any boat. The issue is the bad design of this italian boat sank it very fast. Fact the Manual of yhe Boat said to keep the keel down on anchor
I have a question! Was the captain letting everyone on the boat know the conditions that they were facing that night? I think everyone should have been up at 2:00 AM for emergency procedures with grave concerns with bad weather, forecasts of tornados, with life vests etc! All people should have been notified of the danger with updated forecasts! The captain of the boat needed to protect them by keeping the keel in the fully down position to stabilize the boat ! I think the captain was not experienced enough to handle this situation! But at least they got the life raft out! But why everyone did not have a life jacket on ? Is a big question! Also everybody should have been on deck! You’re running a ship with passengers! Safety has to come first! The captain is in charge!
Umm when a vessel goes down quick it’s more a point of where you are located usually, owners cabins are usually on lower decks to assist with motion at sea no way a crew on deck would be able to reach passengers below in time
The Italians have dealt with this very well I praise them for all their efforts in this tragedy and they are doing everything they can to bring about justice in this case, very well done to Italy
Reporters miss the chance to report on the rescue procedures, divers, vessels used and groups involved. See lots of ppl in videos but no information on who they are. Just sketchy info between ums and uhs
My impression is keel usually lowered in sailing mode to counter wind effect, not when motoring for efficiency, or at anchor as boat swings like a wearhervane and always faces prevailing wind. Sudden tornado or waterspout is a very strange and rare phenomenon.
Guys on that yacht were involved in a crooked HP deal (acquisition of a smaller company) where around 4bil $ was illegally made coz of overvaluation. Seems someone didn't keep to their end of the deal or some other variant of crooks killing each other.
It sounds to me as if a bomb took the yacht down. I love it the way the press tries to make it sound like a freak storm took this boat down. These people were corrupt and this is how corruption sometime end!
This is so strange. Stephen was hit by a car while he was jogging. He wasn't going to be on the yacht. He died a just days before the yacht sailed. I can't find anywhere that mentions who was driving the car.
His business partner dead 3 days before. This is so sus. Keel up would enable the craft to move before the wind more easily without listing over. So no. No Times radio.
Not exactly true especially when you have a vessel of this size with such a high mast and when the keel is also the ballast, it could easily sink if wind listed past a certain point. Especially if any hatches or portholes aren't secured and closed.
How could it be suspicious? The yacht was sunk by forces of nature, the bloke was killed in a car accident. I think yo mean, unfortunate or unlikely rather than suspicious!! Are you implying that someone hired "God" as a hitman?!
This is typical UK poor news reporting journalism. -I'm monitoring things closely(er not at scene), a large man recovered( suspect its UK rich businessman with his daughter), then we just guess possible causes. Now we don't want to upset loved ones and relatives without confirmation!! How about a P45 and a new job, absolutely embarrassing
Well with the hatches being open,the preparation for bad weather has been insufficient, if this the case,bad seamanship is partly to blame for it, Also the matter of the keel is strange. This you only do when you go in to shallow water.that is what it is made for, therefor the stability of the boat was not only based on the keel, a retractable keel would be to heavy to weight it down to be the main point of ballast it is helping but not by much,the keel ballast is only a integrate part of stability’s with normal non retractable common keels,where the ballast is in the keel itself . I have seen a TH-cam video of a smaller sailboat hit by a water spout . It had a nock down only by the surface of the mast. But came up again
I propose that the type of the storm momentarily evacuated water from under the bow, which destabilised the yacht, as if there was no water under the hull. Kind of like a "Bermuda Tringle" phenomenon. As for the proceedings of the blame game: The Italians blamed their seismologists for not predicting an earthquake and jailed them. So -- for a storm that sank no other yachts in the vicinity -- we'll have to wait until the investigation comes to some conclusion, other than the Bayesian was in the wrong place, at the wrong time.
6 people died asleep in their latched cabins because there was no early warning system in cabins? An emergency warning system may have saved the lives of all 22 yoyagers?
Waterspout would have had a huge windage effect on the mast, I’ve stood on similar size superyachts and you can feel them rock about in the gusts.. keel up wouldn’t have helped although they often motor with the keel up for comfort, pushed over on her side, filled with water through the galley doors, going down in no time at all, 😢 absolutely awful
Is it a coincidence that Lynch and Chamberlain died right after the judge acquitted them from all charges? One by car crash and the other by drowning in a Yacht?!?!
wenn eine yacht bei sturm vor anker liegt, ist sie " hilflos " den elementen ausgeliefert,,,erfahrene schiffsführer, kapitäne starten die maschine und lichten den anker...unter fahrt, würde die yacht nicht so schnell kentern...fatal,fatal...die yacht hatte einen eingezogenen hubkiel....also viel zu wenig ballast im wasser um bei sturm das boot mit dem 75m hohen mast aufrecht im wasser zu halten...
Surely the very tall, heavy mast which was not necessary on a motor yacht and was perhaps just a status prop, caught the high winds and caused the vessel to keel over.
What do Yacht designers know. Speaking to some Fishing Trawler men a wave breach over the rear can bring 10 to 20 tons of water per wave. If the rear patio doors on that yacht were open its going down.
Maybe had something to do with the AI program he and his also dead co accused developed which would've made all intelligence agencies back doors into tech devises obsolete.
A sailing vessel like Bayesian has a retractable keel that is usually only in the down position when under sail. Almost never when on anchor as the upper keel would suffice for stability on anchor. Having the keel ‘up’ is not at all unusual at when at anchor.
For those that have perished in this awful incident i want to send my condolences to their loved ones. May they R.I.P
Some would say Parasites
@@AnthonyOMulligan-yv9cg whole thing made me lol too.
They were corrupt, dishonest billionaires celebrating after "winning" a fraud lawsuit. I read that someone put a hex on them, lol.
I send my condolences to the common man who can't afford food. Who cares about this rich parasite
Okay… I built large custom sailboats: The yacht could only sink that quickly by having the ‘tornado’ knock down the yacht. What that means is that the mast took enough windage that it was pushed down towards the water until the deck on one side was below the waterline. Because the keel was retracted - in the upright position - the yacht did not right itself as it normally would have. The water cascaded into the yacht as it was on its side because the hatches were not secured. Lesson… never leave the keel in the upright position when anchored in deep water. Lesson… when designing such a large sailing vessel with an incredibly high mask and rigging beware of the exaggerated knock down danger. Lesson… even in large luxury yachts you should not leave all the hatches unsecured at night. Terrible tragedy.
There's a video showing it getting knocked down to about 70 degree's. The same video shows a 50 ft catamaran getting flipped over also.
The only caveat I have to that is perhaps that something like a 'microburst' or waterspout would not have been forecast in time. Its basic knowledge to shut all hatches and maybe have an anchor watch in 'dodgy' weather, certainly they had the crew for it. But if the evening was largely calm and hot, I doubt that any of the crew would have thought about it, and it was allegedly warm enough that the mother was sleeping on deck (I guess, in some hammock or on loungers) to escape the heat below decks. I think here that nudging the facts towards "the keel was partially raised, which, given the height of the mast, put the stability of the boat in jeopardy" is a huge stretch. I'm pretty sure the Bayesian would have had the best stability design going, given the extreme height of the mast, and that the weight of the keel raised or lowered should not have been a factor. But can anyone really design a ship or yacht for unexpected weather? If a waterspout or microburst developed rapidly, at night, no one would have seen it coming, and the Met radars would not have detected it and broadcast a warning in time. So my guess is that the yacht was settled down for an expected balmy night in the Med, with enough hatches and scuttles open to provide decent ventilation, and in the dark of the night she was hit by a sea spout/ microburst, and was knocked flat in seconds, and just filled instantly though open ports and hatches.
And shocking weather events do happen. Remember the Boscastle flood 20 years ago? Hot summer weather made a very localised extreme weather event. And with all the design care and attention, sometimes awful "Act of God" tragedies just happen.
so is this another example of "pilot" error, whether it be a plane or yacht or cruise ship, I wish I could trust all the professionals in the world including dr's, but the sad fact is terrible things happen, and I just don't want my life or daughters life to depend on someone I trusted..
ot eas total incompetence of the captain and crew ,it didn't spring up out of the blue they had ample time ,there was thunder and lighting ripping off and the sea was getting rougher by the minute that boat should never have sunk they had all the warning to batten down all hatches seal up the boat muster everyone to saloon and make ready with personal life preservers at hand ,the captain was weak and did,nt want to upset and discomfort his guest,s and paying master , all a ridiculous and preventable sinking
I would suggest consulting with the Yacht Builders/Designer or Skipper. Many Sailing Super-yachts are only designed to descend the keel while under way. They aren't really intended for use at anchor as they make quite a lot of noise. These yachts have a requirement to meet stability rules while the keel is either up or down.
That is not a report it is a lot of speculation and hearsay
Thats all the information available, so speculation is the only thing they can do.
@@AnotherPointOfView944 Or they could, you know, wait for some actual facts to emerge before gushing all over the place.
Some of it sounds a little scandalous...
Did you listen to this report or not? It provides the new information that the mast was intact, debunking previous speculation that the yacht capsized after the mast was struck by lightning, and also that there is video footage from security cameras on land showing that the yacht sank within 60 seconds of being hit by a "water sprout".
Why do people think that because it was hot that the hatches, port holes and external doors would be left open. This is a multi million pound vessel and such boats always come with full air conditioning. Everybody would have port holes shut in order to stay cool!
Reporter that says err err err err err err constantly. Very annoying.
They do that when they know they are outright lying!
I get annoyed at people when they get annoyed! 🫨🫨🤯
Listen to what is said - not how it is said.
Her English is excellent, for an Italian…
So bad I had to stop watching
Nice to know she was with her dad and not alone and terrified. Probably broke her dad's heart that this would be the end for her. He died twice.
Umm no , omg…I’m a full time sailor who lives on my sailboat 1. Losing a mast IMPROVES stability as long as no hull damage occurs due to dis-masting 2. Draft of this yacht with keel in lowered position is 10m they were anchored close to shore and a keel of this weight would take some time to retract if heading to harbour to escape weather it would be prudent to retract the keel earlier than absolutely required, safer in really bad weather is to head offshore into deeper water away from obstacles ie land , the decision to weather offshore or head for harbour would have been made by the master of the vessel and if heading in the keel would have been lifted , the yacht still has to meet stability requirements with keel in either position 3. The yacht was hit by lightning and then shook to the point where open hatches allowed water to enter ? What ? No… a lightning strike can often breach the hull as it grounds , my guess is a combination of things , open hatches, reduced stability and a sudden wind force on either beam possibly, a yacht in heavy weather should have all hatches and ports secure and shut , a yacht going down quick means a large hull breach or a knock down without secured hatches, the captain would have a mimic panel in the bridge showing the status all opening ports, hatches and bulkheads , these should be closed in heavy weather this prevents the vessel from sinking quickly if at all. if the keel was retracted the master should have ensured vessel was sufficiently sealed 4. Anchored way to close to shore if weather was expected…
Wish you had been giving the info. Thank you for explaining. Very interesting but sad.
Exactly.
This woman is dreadful…
I wish knowledgeable people such as yourself were bought in to detail stuff like this not knuckleheads like this woman 😂
appears skipper was incompetent and responsible for this disaster!!
His boat sank after he messed with Hewlett-Packard and got cleared of the charges from his case from defrauding them. I was going to give my HP printer a one star review but I decided not to because I don't want to be the first person to drown in a toilet bowl or have a water spot form over my bath tub and make me disappear.
He was on his luxury yacht celebrating with his high profile lawyer who got him off the hook ...
@@freedomofspeech766sounds like the finger of God had other plans for these blokes
😂bro you didn’t defraud hp you shouldn’t have that worry
😂😂😂😂😂
I agree!
So, she does not explain the cause of the sinking. It is just some hypotheses that she spouts.
She's usless .She started tge lightening and demasting gossip.A boating channel showed the design of the Yatcht and its lifting keel a while ago .His theory is now the most likely .
sprouts
Thank you for saving me 8min 17 sec watchin this
The lady with the baby said all the cabin doors were closed and she intimated there was no time to warn the other passengers?
@@dianamincher6479 That is not an explanation for the sinking.
World’s second highest mast, apparently retracted keel, open hatches and a freak water spout.
As discovery channel would say, disaster is a series of events and sailing on the edge of possibilities is a risky business.
🙏🙏🙏 prayers for the families! May they all rest peacefully!🙏🙏💕
Can you train your reporters to not use vocal pauses? The Ah Ah Ah is really annoying 😑
Probably not. They are primarily writing journalists. The whole “Times Radio” is just a bit of a side project for the Thunderer to attract Yanks and youth. It’s not their main job
@@drkmwinters Strengthen your own mentality. I focus on what's being disseminated and don't even notice it until you all point it out.
@@YudazOwn no, there are basic journalistic skills taught in school
The reporter was the cheapest one they could find on Fiverr.
Where did they find this reporter lol?! Looks like she arrived by tornado
Racking my brains for something witty to say then gave up after reading this masterpiece 😂
m wife just commented on her looks lol. Robinson Crusoe
How trivial.
a masterclass of waffle also
Tornado probably, or just a strong gust of passing wind from the 'Water Sprout' she mentioned!
The captain of the Bayesian, James Cutfield 51, told Italian police that he wasn’t monitoring the weather closely and the ship’s retractable keel was raised, even with an anchor depth of 160 feet. Lowering the retractable keel would have added stability and made it harder to capsize. The captain of the old sailboat anchored next to the modern Bayesian monitored the bad weather and started her engine to keep the old sailboat’s nose into the wind at anchor to keep from being rolled over in a quick wind shift. It took the Bayesian to capsize at anchor in less than 5 minutes by what the old sailboat's captain anchored next to her said. Complacent behaviour and good old-fashioned human error are seen yet again! Incidentally, I live in Malta and waterspouts are normal! They are not rare events. They were pre-warned...So much speculation when saying we must not speculate: why not?
?? No severe weather warnings that night ? Pre warned ? 🤔
Batten down the hatches. Luxury or wealth is no rival to the elements. As a sailer I say a prayer for all victims of this tragedy.
Too much hubris on board-Captain luxuriating and saved himself before is passengers !
🤦🏾♀ I finally get it. That's why it went down so fast. Damn.
Well, now everyone is prepared in case they are worried about their super yacht sinking. This is such a relevant news story.
Expecting Times Radio to say "Putin did it" .... saves us all a lot of time
Stinks to high heaven. His second in command in a “road accident “ three days ago . These people inhabit a corrupt horrible world where all that matters is the size of your bank account/ ego. They are welcome to it.
Really. In your considered opinion.
Very suspicious indeed. Weather conditions?...... no way. Robert Maxwell sprang to mind. Thank god the woman saved that little child.
Whenever the news makes a big deal of pushing unrealistic theories it always stinks.
8 billion $ 😂
Oooh so a coincidence occurred near the same time? That’s crazy man
We are told that the keel is often up when they are not sailing as having it down would produce "undesirable motion" when at anchor. The major failure was not having a functional anchor watch. If someone had been monitoring the weather, they may have been able to take precautions such as closing hatches, lowering the keel, turning on the engines and pointing the boat toward the coming storm.
@@eltamarindo indeed , I think one comment from the captain was along the lines of they never seen it coming, or that it happened so fast.
We're you there?
There was another yacht right next to the stricken one which carried out all those precautions as for them the storm did NOT come out the blue. Was the captain of the stricken vessel found literally sleeping at the wheel?
@@xlbubblehead2505news media Experts ! Lol
@@mvl6827 wouldn't like to be him at the moment , going to be some nightmare , people died on his watch, even if was a freak accident.
The captain of the old sailboat anchored next to the modern Bayesian monitored the bad weather and started her engine to keep the old sailboat’s nose into the wind at anchor to keep from being rolled over in a quick wind shift. It took the Bayesian to capsize at anchor in less than 5 minutes by what the old sailboat's captain anchored next to her said.
No.. he used the engines to avoid other boats as they swung in the wind & to help prevent the anchor from dragging
@@Durnyful agreed full time sailor here , never have the screws spinning on anchor in a blow unless you are moving up on the anchor chain to redeploy or retract it’s safer offshore in a blow anyway
Sometimes it’s prudent to have the engine running but out of gear in case yours or another boat drags , if you are running in gear to keep the bow into the wind you would never have an anchor deployed unless you want to lose the boat
The bow will always generally be into the wind. Engines started to help if any issues.
@@funda298 no usually when a blow comes in it is at a different angle to the prevailing wind and besides wind shifts are really common and can wheel the direction by up to 30deg far faster than you will ever respond with the rudder which will unset the anchor if the boat drives forward under power rather than responding to the weather plus and this is the biggest issue it’s really hard to respond not only to direction but speed it’s really easy to misjudge and drive up on the ground tackle and either rip the shaft out of the boat or lose a prop when it hits the chain.. result , no propulsion possibly a large hole in the hull AND worst of all you lose your main anchor.. if you need to run the boat into the wind with props spinning, my god retract the anchor I’ve seen a boat lost in QLD Australia this exact way I agree with running the engine in neutral if things get hairy , but as soon as you drop into gear first job is to drive up on the anchor retracting rode/ chain , our rule is if the boat goes into gear you have to redeploy at the least
I would say the reason the yacht sank was because at a certain point it became negatively buoyant. How that came about I wouldn't care to speculate. That, is for the investigation to determine.
the yatch sank and the other guy in the trial in the usa is killed in a hit and run. then again epstien comitted sucide in prison and the guards slept through it and the camera's weren't working.
That Keel should have been fully extended to offer counter weight balance in such inclement weather if this particular vessel with such a tall Mast was to have any chance at all of surviving. If it were retracted, the vessel was doomed from the start.
Also the hatches should never have been left open, especially with a storm forecast. RIP.
Mike Lynch was a very good family friend. Great Man, he will be missed.
I wonder when the public will be made privie to the video footage captured by the camera on the private villa that was recording the "coast line" when this freak weather event happened lol
It's been released if you haven't seen it yet. I searched for cctv footage
Being Alina Trabattoni presumably an italian freelance journalist hired locally for the occasion, I must say she speaks a pretty good english.
I would imagine with pure unfounded speculation. That the integrity of a ships hull might not withstand the rigours of people who are very upset with you.
"Watersprout" FFS.
Maybe she thought it was from Brussels
@@butchjohnson3953 and had a vegemite sandwich
@@butchjohnson3953incy wincy spider went up the water sprout...
No doubt all video and instrument log information was lost by chance as they were all turned off for maintenance.
The one fact that has been debunked is that this yacht was unsinkable!
A partially retracted keel in this depth of water wouldn’t have been necessary ….that design is to allow yachts to go into shallower water when desired……and so if it was partially retracted this together with the ingress of water from open hatches was distinctly a possible cause for the sinking of this yacht in these weather conditions….
You don’t quite understand, this keel on this boat was also the ballast and a yacht like this with such a high mast and the ballast compromised ( the keel been retraced) would make it very unstable vessel in the environment that was present. Just an observation of the information that is out there. Not pointing any blame.
In English please?
Everyone is a master mariner all of a sudden and start with ill informed ideas and assumptions and don’t get me started on the conspiracy theorists, a freak accident it maybe but it is still an accident, Mother Nature is a huge force and they will sadly join the many hundreds of thousands who’ve died in open water before them and the many more that will follow RIP
@@thecarpenter645 Um no the vessel would have to meet certain stability requirements with keel in any position, the vessel would have less righting ability with the keel retracted but would still have sufficient stability, the keel is designed to have a balanced righting force when sailing plus the shape of the keel ie foil, improves upwind sailing performance . Anchored that close to shore having the keel retracted would have been prudent, bear in mind the retracted keel still provides ballast and stability and on a yacht this size the keel ballast doesn’t provide all of the stability, engines , generators, bunkers and ballast tanks are designed in unison to provide stability, I dare say a yacht used in the med would usually only deploy the keel when on long passage or when sailing
@@mitchpender8113 it would have self righted even with the keel fully up ,its incompetence of the captain thats caused this sinking , he was extremely weak and did,nt want to upset and discomfort the guests and pay master , he had ample time with lighting thunder waves all around him getting worse by the minute he should have closed all hatches , port holes even if it means going into guest bedrooms and checking everyone should have been mustered to the saloon and life preservers brought to hand ,anchors can be controlled from pilot house , only most experienced hooked onto boat on a jack line allowed outside to deal with anchors , an unnecessary sinking the crew and captain was complacent , the owner also ,he should have stipulated he must be informed when sea ,wind conditions get to a certain state to oversee how catpn and crew dealing with it
The keel being lifted is a key element, the mast receiving lighting isn't, on the contrary, a shorter mast would contribute to a more stable boat. This immense mast + the keel being lifted + a storm is the perfect combination to get the boat capized, then water gets in through the hatches.
Sound pretty obvious .
Something about the list of this yacht an being very close to a open hatch ? Idk but the build of the ship has a list at 45 degrees or something like that idk
My great grandmother gave birth to my grandfather off Cape Horn!
His birth certificate says born at sea!
I am glad I am here!
I just hope with the climate change and these horrendous storms that all boating people will take extra precautions for boat safety! No matter how the yacht, lives are more precious and people must know when they are on a boat that things can go wrong very fast and advanced preparation can save lives!
The captain must tell everyone what’s up, how to get your life jacket on and off and the procedures for a possible sinking, even if it is as unsinkable as the Titanic!
It is his duty! And if that’s not agreeable to everyone on the ship, then he should not be sailing the boat!
The captain stays on the boat until all passengers are off the boat!
Climate change 😂
The med is 4 celcius higher than normal which is a huge difference . Its a result of climate change @Skaterpro-2222
If your grandfather was 'born at sea' did he have no citizenship and have to sail the world for the rest of his life?
Wasn't his business partner run over and killed last week ? 🤔
No pun intended but it is very fishy . is any authority looking for a link ?
@@lordtwigster3723 No. Unless you think the guy who accidentally ran over his partner, was willfully and wantonly in control of a water spout.
@@AnotherPointOfView944 lol Neptune in his chariot is in the frame.
I smell a rat 🐀 🤪
Yes, it was reported that, on Sunday, he was hit by a car while out biking...
With the keel retracted the poor ship had no chance to resist or right herself. RIP all.
Poor beautiful ship was given no chance of righting herself in the hands of a grossly negligent captain and crew? She was vanquished!
Where is the explanation of the sinking (as per your headline)?
Why you employing a correspondent who can barely string a sentence together….?
FYI, poor people also die in boating accident's.
The instruments on board were very "avant garde"? Well there is the problem. They should have had modern weather radar instruments instead of an art installation as an instrument.
Yeah, she's not a great technical reporter.
Hey you crazy cats, this Daddy-O says you gotta dig those hip navigation instruments
Hahahahaha..I know it's wrong to laugh, but I'm weak
Tragedy’s like this happen everyday. Why is this one being covered everywhere. What are they distracting us from?
Far more people die on the roads every year (every week?) than died on Titanic. Unexpected, freak, disasters interest people for a number of reasons.
The Captain will have a lot of explaining to do, as to why the keel was partially retracted when storms were expected! Was anyone minding the ship, and were preparations done to weather a potentially bad storm?
The keel and port holes! Yes!
really, he well knew of storms this time of year in Italy and it was storming... and had he time put up flares and save 15 people
Who was on watch at the outset of the storm and why weren't warnings issued to the crew and passengers?
@@dianamincher6479 to me it looks like they didn't take it seriously due to proximity to shore
“You’ve got some “splainin” to do LOL
As a highly experienced and qualified professional Superyacht Captain with a lifetime's experience, this is very poor reporting. At least she accepts it's mostly all speculation at this point.
The question is not why it sank. The question is why is this so much in the news? Just a small mention would have been enough.
The blame game has begun.
The ship was at anchor, with a retracted keel, and furled sails, this would be normal for any sailing ship.
However with a draught of 9.8 m, and mast, height of 72 m, there is a serious metacentric shift.
With sail deployment caused by the water spout/ tornado, this may have led to capsize.
May they rest in peace.
Thoughts of a retired Mariner.
Could this have been prevented though. The captain should have known the ins and outs of the boat.. and had an alarm on the boat for all to get out of need be. If they weren't far from land why couldn't help have come sooner to them .
@@lionofjudah4114 In high seas with an active waterspout at night... no one is coming.
I wonder if the shipyard did an inclining experiment with both keel deployed and retracted? Would be interesting to see what the righting moments looked like in these two configurations.
"The ship was at anchor, with a retracted keel, and furled sails, this would be normal for any sailing ship."
Most sailing ships can't retract the keel.
At 68 I worked on large vessels all my life and this is definitely extremely weird. I would bet anything that the retractable keel was in the all the way up position. No doubt it was designed to go all the way up into the hull so they could go into shallow water area's.
.....and they sail smoothly in a nice breeze. Then, while rejoicing therein, violent wind blows, and the waves surround them from every side. This is when they implore God, sincerely devoting their prayers to Him alone: "If You only save us this time, we will be eternally appreciative."
Also, quite an unfortunate coincidence that his business partner died after being hit by a car a few hours later in Cambridgeshire, England.
It was a few hours (or even a full day) earlier, not later!
Unless he didn’t die straight after the accident? I’m not sure about it…
@@GreenGreenBlossom. He was on life support for awhile.
@@Mutasis_Mutandis Ah I see!!! Thanks.
Do you think someone has planned all this. Or the person may have been on board anyway who made sure the boat sank. Someone who knew what they were doing. Could it have been done on purpose do you think
*In my learned opinion a a large compressed air balloon/raft used to lift ships of the sea floor was punctured underneath the yacht and this sudden release of air reduced the buoyancy of water and capsized it. i tested it using a toy boat and puncturing a balloon submerged underneath it. the ship sank quickly.. i suggest you do it for yourself.*
The more details I hear about this makes me more and more suspicious I get!
Pretty bad reporting. Errors in fact. Bad grammar. No technical understanding at all of weather or boats. Nothing positive to say about Times Radio.
Nobody knows why the yacht sank yet. Just thought I'd click on this and see whether you could possibly justify your thumbnail. Thought not ...
This meteorological event could havesank any boat. The issue is the bad design of this italian boat sank it very fast. Fact the Manual of yhe Boat said to keep the keel down on anchor
The instruments on board were very evantgarden ???
Yep that's a new one on me too, must be yacht talk 😂
Basil in the cockpit
I think she likes a tipple even in the morning.😂
Also, a ‘waterspRout’ ???
Avant garde
I have a question!
Was the captain letting everyone on the boat know the conditions that they were facing that night?
I think everyone should have been up at 2:00 AM for emergency procedures with grave concerns with bad weather, forecasts of tornados, with life vests etc! All people should have been notified of the danger with updated forecasts!
The captain of the boat needed to protect them by keeping the keel in the fully
down position to stabilize the boat !
I think the captain was not experienced enough to handle this situation!
But at least they got the life raft out!
But why everyone did not have a life jacket on ? Is a big question!
Also everybody should have been on deck!
You’re running a ship with passengers! Safety has to come first!
The captain is in charge!
Exactly someone has questions to answer
I will pass your valid concerns on to the captain immediately.
Yes why was he acquitted?
In any case, it doesn't fit with the old etiquette of being a captain in a lifeboat, a passenger inside the boat...
Umm when a vessel goes down quick it’s more a point of where you are located usually, owners cabins are usually on lower decks to assist with motion at sea no way a crew on deck would be able to reach passengers below in time
I heard the water got inside the boat...
The Italians have dealt with this very well I praise them for all their efforts in this tragedy and they are doing everything they can to bring about justice in this case, very well done to Italy
The British government sold him down the river to the Americans. Utterly disgusting behaviour from Britain.
Seems that way , who knows with big business.
@@andrewashmore8000 HP overpaid for Autonomy and then tried to blame someone else. Big government, ours, let Mike down very badly.
How are things in Moscow, Vlad? 🇷🇺
He was acquitted of fraud in American as was his business partner. WTH you're talking about?
That's a weak British government worst since Blair the rat, no I take that back, it much worse than Blair.
Maybe it sank because he took HP for 8 billion 🤔
U.K. law prohibited refusing Hewlett Packard’s offer price.
@SteveeCee
Don't bring brown sauce into the confusion but I hope he didn't go down with the recipe.
No, you have it all confused. It was clearly Boeings fault.
@@codswallop164Exactly, they were after the recipe.
@@codswallop164 lol
Divers have reported the keel not fully extended.
Reporters miss the chance to report on the rescue procedures, divers, vessels used and groups involved. See lots of ppl in videos but no information on who they are. Just sketchy info between ums and uhs
My impression is keel usually lowered in sailing mode to counter wind effect, not when motoring for efficiency, or at anchor as boat swings like a wearhervane and always faces prevailing wind. Sudden tornado or waterspout is a very strange and rare phenomenon.
Guys on that yacht were involved in a crooked HP deal (acquisition of a smaller company) where around 4bil $ was illegally made coz of overvaluation. Seems someone didn't keep to their end of the deal or some other variant of crooks killing each other.
Nonsense. HP didn't do their due diligence. Idiots at HP.
Yep
It sounds to me as if a bomb took the yacht down. I love it the way the press tries to make it sound like a freak storm took this boat down. These people were corrupt and this is how corruption sometime end!
what color is that tin foil you're wearing?
@@slopeeyedgook67 😂
You're a genius
@@GavinBrowne-j1c Laugh all you will but there is now an investigation.
Mother Nature can be deadly.
Did you know the earth is flat?
This is so strange. Stephen was hit by a car while he was jogging. He wasn't going to be on the yacht. He died a just days before the yacht sailed. I can't find anywhere that mentions who was driving the car.
Extremely sad.
Psst... Somebody tell the reporter it's a waterspout not watersprout? 😂
When was ‘official- lised’ ever a word?
It is. Officialised- Simple past tense and past participle of officialise. Officialise - to make official.
His business partner dead 3 days before. This is so sus. Keel up would enable the craft to move before the wind more easily without listing over. So no. No Times radio.
Not exactly true especially when you have a vessel of this size with such a high mast and when the keel is also the ballast, it could easily sink if wind listed past a certain point. Especially if any hatches or portholes aren't secured and closed.
To add its not at all suspect, unless your suggesting someone somehow has control of the weather and oceans...
If the boat being anchored bow and stern that may have also been a cause as boat not able to move with the wind
How could it be suspicious? The yacht was sunk by forces of nature, the bloke was killed in a car accident. I think yo mean, unfortunate or unlikely rather than suspicious!! Are you implying that someone hired "God" as a hitman?!
Doesn't this only happened in African counties due to bad weather😂😂
he simply got killed, is that so hard to say? Yea truth is hard to tell now days
This is typical UK poor news reporting journalism. -I'm monitoring things closely(er not at scene), a large man recovered( suspect its UK rich businessman with his daughter), then we just guess possible causes. Now we don't want to upset loved ones and relatives without confirmation!! How about a P45 and a new job, absolutely embarrassing
The Italian news confirmed his identity hours before she came on to give her report
Advice to reporter : DONT GIVE UP YOUR DAY JOB.
Well with the hatches being open,the preparation for bad weather has been insufficient, if this the case,bad seamanship is partly to blame for it, Also the matter of the keel is strange. This you only do when you go in to shallow water.that is what it is made for, therefor the stability of the boat was not only based on the keel, a retractable keel would be to heavy to weight it down to be the main point of ballast it is helping but not by much,the keel ballast is only a integrate part of stability’s with normal non retractable common keels,where the ballast is in the keel itself . I have seen a TH-cam video of a smaller sailboat hit by a water spout . It had a nock down only by the surface of the mast. But came up again
I propose that the type of the storm momentarily evacuated water from under the bow, which destabilised the yacht, as if there was no water under the hull. Kind of like a "Bermuda Tringle" phenomenon. As for the proceedings of the blame game: The Italians blamed their seismologists for not predicting an earthquake and jailed them. So -- for a storm that sank no other yachts in the vicinity -- we'll have to wait until the investigation comes to some conclusion, other than the Bayesian was in the wrong place, at the wrong time.
retracted keel in deep waters and pending bad weather sounds sensible 🎉
Funny how his Business Partner just 'died' too 😅
6 people died asleep in their latched cabins because there was no early warning system in cabins? An emergency warning system may have saved the lives of all 22 yoyagers?
Ohh yes such a Bad weather!
Waterspout would have had a huge windage effect on the mast, I’ve stood on similar size superyachts and you can feel them rock about in the gusts.. keel up wouldn’t have helped although they often motor with the keel up for comfort, pushed over on her side, filled with water through the galley doors, going down in no time at all, 😢 absolutely awful
"Away in the loveable west,
On a pastoral forehead of Wales,
I was under a roof here, I was at rest,
And they the prey of the gales;"
Is it a coincidence that Lynch and Chamberlain died right after the judge acquitted them from all charges? One by car crash and the other by drowning in a Yacht?!?!
John Stonehouse went swimming when his bank was a failure, he jumped in at Miami and he swam to Australia
Having the keel partially retracted would still have made the boat more stable then fully retracted, except if there is some indication it broke off
My condolences all familiy,s. Take care GOD BLESS THE ALL FAMILY.
'The super yank' made me giggle
Too much internal water is generally counterintuitive for any vessel attempting to maintain positive buoyancy.
If this had been an unknown, the story wouldn’t be covered like this.
wenn eine yacht bei sturm vor anker liegt, ist sie " hilflos " den elementen ausgeliefert,,,erfahrene schiffsführer, kapitäne starten die maschine und lichten den anker...unter fahrt, würde die yacht nicht so schnell kentern...fatal,fatal...die yacht hatte einen eingezogenen hubkiel....also viel zu wenig ballast im wasser um bei sturm das boot mit dem 75m hohen mast aufrecht im wasser zu halten...
If this happens again next year I can only conclude that Poseidon hates the mega rich.
Surely the very tall, heavy mast which was not necessary on a motor yacht and was perhaps just a status prop, caught the high winds and caused the vessel to keel over.
I think this presenter played Wilson in the movie Castaway..!!
The equivalent of pilot error when flying an aeroplane.
Wow. Would've never seen the connection.
It’s hot, you have everything open for ventilation, hit by a tornado, you sink. It’s that simple. Anyone with sea experience knows this.
A yacht this caliber would have sufficient air-conditioning. It's not a Bavaria...
"Why did Mike Lynch's superyacht sink? | EXPLAINED."
Are you waiting for an explaination yourselves by any chance?
That's an easy question to answer.
The got water in the people tank.
And the people tank sank.
What do Yacht designers know. Speaking to some Fishing Trawler men a wave breach over the rear can bring 10 to 20 tons of water per wave. If the rear patio doors on that yacht were open its going down.
Perhaps not cut off the beginning of the report where "it" is defined? (The keel/dagger-board)
Maybe had something to do with the AI program he and his also dead co accused developed which would've made all intelligence agencies back doors into tech devises obsolete.
A sailing vessel like Bayesian has a retractable keel that is usually only in the down position when under sail. Almost never when on anchor as the upper keel would suffice for stability on anchor. Having the keel ‘up’ is not at all unusual at when at anchor.
I wish this much effort went into important mysteries, like the inexplicable popularity of Pokémon.