2020 Zero S | No License No Problem in Europe
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ต.ค. 2020
- More torque than any other middleweight naked, yet you do NOT need a full motorcycle license to ride it, in Europe. It all comes down to how they rate electric motors, it's continuous out-put over 30 minutes and that is how they come up with the 11kW of power (14.75hp) when actually the peek is 44 kW (59hp) and 109Nm (80ft-lbs) of torque.
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I love Zeros. They are great city bikes. I live in the city. Light, flickable. Tons of torque. You wake up with a full tank every morning. If you have one of these in the garage parked beside a gas bike, you will take the Zero out 80% of the time. These bikes are a blast to ride. They aren't too expensive when you factor in maintenance and insurance. It's not all about range. I could ride for days on a charge for one of these bikes. They also come with traction control now. In the states you get tax credits with the purchase so you can save a few thousand.
Then go to the Netherlands. And suddenly you have to pay 23000.00 Euro for this bike. Our government does not support electric. Because 80 percent of the petrolprice goes to the state overhere. It is simple economics. And with the worldwide tyrannical climate dictatorship coming up it will get even much more expensive. So no chance on using these Zero bikes for cummuting to work because a simple petrolbike is way cheaper. If i would buy f.e. a CRF 300 l or Rally it is a third of the price. For 15000.00 euro i could tank for 10 years and pay taxes and insurance.
And it gives much more freedom to ride in a weekend a much more longer trip. And yes, this is not Zero's fault.
In a few years there will be a new batterry system. That costs a third of that of lithium. Will charge way faster and with the same weight it will give you at least 500 km in one single charge. For now, leave Zero alone and buy one over 3 years.
Zero should announce of the bike will be made backwards compatible to the new upcoming batterie technology. Otherwise you will have an incredible expensive piece of junk in your garage. Because nobody wants to buy them secondhand. Everybody will opt for the new batteries. I know that i wil do that. Because i have to work for my money and i live under a shitty governmental regime to regards of cars and motorcycles.Taxes and BPM is criminal overhere.
Are we all going to ignore the fact this man’s voice is silky smooth? And he looks like a grown up action man? I’m a 25yo British straight male but this man needs some recognition
I hate the thin brake disc attached strait on the wheel! Is that a cost savings thing? Narrow tyres, cheap brakes, budget dash, halogen headlight. No TC it's like a 15 year old 125 when it comes to spec/tech and at the price of an R1
Great testvideo. As always very informative und entertaining.
I think traction control should be a legal requirement on these high torque electric bikes
Don't they have TC?
@Lyrical Gammster don't floor it i guess
In the future, if i am still young enough yep! Right now, i cant afford it and even if i could i wouldn't be able to justify the price tag.
A bit late to comment this time around, but in time for "happy new year wishes"! May this one be a bit better than the last one!
I've had a few of those "sphincter clinchers" since i started riding 4 months ago on my Scout 60 :D.
I dont know about electric bikes.. I follow a youtuber (Walterrific) that has an electric bike as well now. Some times during recording he had to go find a plug or he wouldnt get home!
Gas bikes is just get to a gas station, refuel and you are on your way again.. Even with those options you mention, you still have to charge maybe half an hour depends how far you are from home to get home. And you dont always find a spot to recharge. It will become easier in the future with more recharge points maybe but still..
I do see benefits for it maybe if you use it for closer range work travel, if you are able to charge it at your work.
Great vid Scott. Bummer about the rain !
Very helpful review. I hadn’t thought about traction control. If an expert rider like you almost took a spill, beginner riders might run into trouble on this bike.
Also, curious to know what you do in Germany. I lived there for a year-very different from the US.
Thanks for the care and effort you put into your videos!
Ofcourse it is up to Scott to answer the question...for me it's obvious what he's doing in Germany...making a motorblog once a week seems to me as nearly a fulltime job! And what a job he makes of it! Besides that; he explained that love pulled him to Germany. Glad he did so;-)
This looks like my CB125R
Very nice review, will wait for the future for now, and as a beginner Lack of traction control on Electric bikes scares me
I hope Zero will come out with updated battery tech next year to add more kWh and faster charging. Overall the S has too many compromises with a cheap look and budget components. Right now the only electric that seems interesting to me is the Damon Hypersport, but we'll have to wait and see if they can actually get it into production and if the specs are real or just hype.
Another great review Scott by the way I just heard that KTM came out with the 890 adventure rally it has the low fenders I believe 200 mm of ground clearance with an engine guard I’d love to see a test that oneKeep up the good work
Thank you Keith,
Yea, I'm looking forward to taking the 890ADV out for a spin. But now with covid19 ramping up again...probably more delays with the launch...just like all the other launches this year and probably well into next year too.
Stay well and ride safe,
Scott
REALLY GOOD REVIEW.
Good save,thks.(These bikes will never sell as they should due to their uneconomic pricing).
Hey Scott, you seem you don't do Benelli bikes, if it they ever cross your mind can you review Benelli 752S and/or Benelli 502C please? 🙏🙏
All that torque with no TC doesn't seem right for a no license new rider to me.
The stock tires are just bad, I test rode one a while ago with some friends and one of them when down on a slow left turn because the tire slipped.
with all the options, it is just shy of 15KUSD in the US according to their website. when these electric bikes give you 250-300 real miles and a quicker charge time, i will certainly consider one. or if for some wild reason i run into a bunch of cash and can afford 2 or more bikes.
Very nice bike but as you mentioned... The tyres should be a bit wider to give a better big bike look. Traction control missing and still way to expensive. For me it's a big NO.
Thanks for the nice review as always 👍👍👍
Narrow tyres and crap suspension and it's still way too expensive. Think the DSR has a 130mm rear tyre and is 221kg is that a extra load tyre. I have a aprilia sx50 (49cc) with 130/70/17 rear.
These bikes badly need CSS charging to compete. Very poor charging times.
The price is a bit too much for what you get. This bike with the torque, no TC and the fact you don't even need a full license is a good way to get beginner people hurt. Of course, on the flip side, I doubt many people would be getting this expensive a bike as a "learner" bike. I'm not sure if you can get those in Germany but the other license-free EV bikes seem a bit more sensible (ie Horwin, Niu, Super Soco), those seem a lot better for commuting in an "ecological" way.
The ZERO bikes are an effort to get out "premium" performance EV bikes but a bit lacking imo. Nice to see you give this a try.
Cheers
I'd be really interested in buying the SR/S but it's just too expensive at 23.000€ :( Even with the incentives in Belgium it's still to expensive. I'll keep my awesome VFR800X Crossrunner for now :D
We live on a small island that’s only 30 miles long . An electric bike would be amazing here , we just don’t have any dealers.
Yes, the perfect eco friendly place for this bike, if you can afford it. :)
Good review. Range is not a problem in my view comparing to like MT-10. But price :D - makes me laugh really. For this modest version without fireworks, like fast charger I understand it is still 12 gran €. In Poland easily getting MT09, 09SP, Duke 790, 890. Better range, all of them with TC, ABS, engine maps and shorter "charging" time as you spend like 5 mins at the fuel station. If we start to talk of 18 gran then it is almost price of a new R1. Well... nothing to compare. I got a feeling these engines are future. But same time long time until I'll seriously consider any of them. As usual - good review 👍
Not for me yet. I am still waiting on the solid state battery tech to come out and see how that fairs.
Yea, me too. Then the range will increase and the weight and cost will decrease. I hope!
Is the Zero SR sold in Europe? I live in California where these are built and they’re still very expensive for the version you want with the big battery and fast charger. You can go with the smaller battery to save weight but for most of us range is more important, followed by charge time.
Yep, Germany! And yep for the money, you can buy two bikes for the price of one of these.
Good review
Super Moto less than half the price like the Kawasaki KLX300 will get the job done :)
oh " man man määäään " ...the only electric bike I will take ever in my life - will be an: electric wheelchair ( but I - seriously hope i will never need him )
thx bro for your upload and all the best to you - take care drive safe
but turbo charged with mag wheels on the wheelchair...right! 👍😁 That's how I roll! 🤣🤣
@@NothingToProve i was joking bro ...thanks for your uploads . ... by the way ...your german translation - under - your videos are very good !! thanks again
I’m moving to a small ocean town in Spain I’m 15 rn and I love e bikes I have 2 rn and getting a talaria at the end of the month but I’m thinking about getting this in Spain maybe when I turn 16 in Spain and can at least get my drivers license would this be okay to get at 16 ? Or if I could at it at 15 by the time I’m in Spain it’s going to be end of summer /fall so I’m in no rush I live in MD currently but we are also thinking about getting a place in nowhere upstate NY with a lot of land would this be good to get there at 16 I am going to be in Spain mainly so if it’s just good with no license in Europe that’s okay
The price is shocking.
I see what you did there...
Not only where does the electricity come from to charge them but what about the battery production and eventual disposal?
Lyrical Gammster where do the materials come from to make the batteries?
@@garytilley3217 from mining, to you think the combustion engine has no bag to carry for itself?
@@sebastiangeorge7714 and your solution? I know I am not a fan of slave labour being used to mine the raw materials to make the batteries and then there is the shipping, production and eventual "disposal" of these products. If someone can show me that now harm is done to the environment and all produced without the burning of fossil fuels then I may become a fan. Until then I am happy to drive around in a fuel efficient petrol engined vehicle.
@@garytilley3217 then you shouldn't be a fan, the electronic to make the engine efficient doesn't come from a better source, petrol doesn't flow out of the ground like Springwater and the leftover is just dumped in the environment.
@@sebastiangeorge7714 what’s your enlightened solution?
I think that high-pitched whine would drive me nuts anything over an hour or so. Perhaps even less. Other than that, I wish I was 50 years younger.
I like it but not at that price, and more for the fast charge tank package, and I would agree TC should be fitted.
Brother what about in india will it work here license free
Ive had Zeros DRS (no traction control) and 2 x SRF with traction control. 50 years of riding bikes and I found out electric bikes need traction control its an essential part of EV drive.
Aren't there windmills to plug-in to everywhere?
Now that would be cool, if any "E" vehicle could pull up to any windmill and plug in for free! Great idea!
It's a shed load of coin for a 125cc equivalent. You proved the reason for TC, it's never used normally, but it's there for cold tyres, wet roads, etc, same for ABS. But TC would be very easy to add as there's no engine, fuel injection etc, just drive control to a motor.
Do you put the japanese ones down there on prize, or are they realy overal down there. I tought the japanese bikes where quite good and reliable? Oh i want a Zero so bad, but the pize is just to high, and i would love a DC charge option.
I'm not sure that I understand the question?
@@NothingToProve I was talking about what you explain in 2:10 . Is it just the difference in prize, or also in quality?
Just by price. That is the only reason. Nothing to do with quality. :)
When’s the next video coming out? Lol i hate waiting so long
Sorry man, I've run out of bikes to ride. Riding season is over here in Germany, dealers are selling their demo bikes 😒
I think you need TC on that bike with all the torque it as. ride safe
There is a too wide gap between the price of it and the actual value for me. It's similar to the price and value of electric cars - if something is electric, it's immediately costing 2 times more than the gasoline equivalent. If the price of this bike would be reduced by 50%, it could just become one option of many bikes. Currently it's a no option.
11:05 your rear wheel went from 25 to 58kph really quick.
I've ridden over 100 bikes in the last two years and this is the only one that actually scared me. Now that's sayin' something. They should have put TC on this bike, especially since every other bike in this price range has TC. The Zero SR/F didn't scare me but that had TC!
Wie immer ein Toller Bericht von dir. Das Bike überzeugt mich überhaupt nicht. Für 18000 Euro viel zu teuer. Dafür bekommt man ja fast drei SV650. Mit solchen Motorrädern sieht es in Zukunft echt düster aus. Gerade wenn es keine Verbrenner Motoren mehr geben soll. Das sind Traurige Aussichten.
You don’t think the Ducati Monster, the bike that invented the middle weight naked class in that group?
Well, I also didn't mention Aprilia Shiver, Moto Guzzi V7 and a few others too, for several reasons but mainly because they don't sell the volume of the main OEM's. Ducati sell about 45,000 units a year, for all their models, Monster, Scrambler, Multistrada, Sport...etc. Actually it's predicted that they will only sell 42,000 bikes in 2020 and even less in 2021, they are currently "down-sizing" even though they have expanded into what they call "premium countries". BMW sell 58,000 units of just the 1250GS per year, now that gives you an idea of just how little Ducati is in comparison. Not nocking them just have to draw the line somewhere, or the list can go on and on...not even including some of the Indian/Asian OEM's.
Bottom line is Ducati with their current business strategy & reliability & maintenance costs, they will always be the small "boutique / niche" OEM that they are today and always have been. Kind of like Ferrari in the car world, they make great race cars but you don't buy one for the road unless you have lots of spare coin and I mean a lot.
I like them and if I could afford a 4th or 5th bike, I'd get the 2011 Monster 1100evo, the last of the air cooled big Monsters.
Well, I see where you’re coming from when you compare the sales of BMW or the more affordable Japanese bikes, but I see the Monster 821 a direct competitor to the Street Triple, and the volume sales between Triumph and Ducati are quite close. If I was considering a 12,000ish bike, I wouldn’t be looking Yamaha... I’d be shopping between the BMW, the Triumph, the Ducati and the KTM. Maybe I’m a europhile snob.
Great review of a nothing bike. Cheaped out on every thing. That cable housing is pathetic. The cable will come out eventually, and guess what will happen....its gonna wrap around the wheel or belt and you r going to be off. Death trap waiting to happen imo.
In best case scenario the cable will fall out and guess what
I'm not the biggest fan of E-Bike anyway, but when I think about the possibility of this thing being in the hands of an totally unexperienced A1-license owner, or even worse one of them B196-riders, I shudder.
If an experienced rider like yourself has trouble with this bike, and yes I heard you saying the tyres (as well as the bike) were basically new, I don't want to imagine what would happen to someone without your experience and knowledge. I mean, when they buy it, the bike will be new too.
About the bike.
Riding might be fun, if you know what you are doing. But for 18k I'd rather buy a (1 year old) BMW GS or a new and fully equipped Moto Guzzi V85 TT.
Nice video anyway Scott.
Take care.
The review is definitely much more interesting than this pricey scooter.
Once a new battery tech comes in, offering higher range, quicker charge times (and I mean quicker, as in 10-20 mins max) and lower prices .... sure
I like this motobyke and qould like to buy One in my comuted day travel but the price is so much ....
Hey Scott. It's nice to see you give this thing a go. I have a better appreciation for what these things are now, but I just can't get behind it. Is this thing ready for prime time? Hell no. Everything on this bike looks kinda skimpy. That little drive belt, That wee rear tire, those weak brakes... Yes I realize it's on the lighter side but I don't care, for that kind of money I expect better. Just all the way around, I expect better. Aesthetically, it does nothing for me either. It's just very bland. Twist and go? That is scooter stuff. Definitely not my style! I dunno, man. Personally I would not consider this bike. It may be fine for some, but I prefer my GSX and I make no apologies for that! The whole "green" argument... we won't even go there! That has been done to death. We'll leave it at the bike itself. It's OK. Definitely not worth the asking price, and simply not what I need in a motorcycle.
Of cause laws makes that impossible in Denmark 😅
Great review Scott. I personally just don’t like them. Don’t like electric cars either btw.
I do hate those electric bikes. Also I think these are very dangerous for being so quiet. I can leave with a catalytic converter and all euro5 or 10 but not with this thing. Good work NTP, I love your channel. Greetings from Krakow.
The price/value ratio is as questionable as the range/usefulness of charging at this time in the evolution of electric bikes. For what it is, it looks like a good bike. With a new rider being the target, it's interesting that torque like that isn't controlled by traction control as a safety option. Almost high siding can induce puckering. Interesting times.
So you don’t need a license. But yet you do need a license for 100 cc something
Talk about a wet episode! Both in the road, weather, and pants! for that price, Zero really needs to add traction control... its way too pricey without it. However, if you think of it, without a drivers license? Ok, then its a good safety that the price is there up...
Forgot to mention - Awww there is a Honda Deauville in the background.... I miss that bike :)
Yea, they have some really old bikes there for sale. Even some from the 1970's.
doesnt the price of this bike defeat the purpose of buying a regular bike? I would rather spend 8 grand on MT07 and be happy with it.
Like you said will be a good bike for a 10 000 price but 18k is too much ! And the look of it is ugly not premium at all !
In my opinion the “future” is not quite there yet with this bike, unless of course people think otherwise and buy them anyway, in which case I don’t think the aggressive pricing will ever change if they get sold in sufficient quantity. We’ll see I guess. Great review thanks.
Very comprehensive review. Not the bike for me, poor range, mega expensive, even the fast tank charging is slow, oh and its very basic for the price. At about £6,000 it would make a good commuter. Its the start of the electic revolution, but it has a very long way to go 👍
Far too expensive at present.
Sorry to disapoint you, in matter of fact you need a driving lisence for every vehicle you wana hit the road in europe!!
I cover this at 0:18 in the video.😜
That looks and sounds dreadful. Sorry, I’d rather buy a mountain bike. This doesn’t even have the potential to grow on me. I hate it.
Good review. You very nearly high-sided that incredibly expensive bike! Got away with it, by the skin of your teeth. Who but a fool with more money than sense would buy this ludicrously expensive machine? This is a classic illustration as to why electric vehicles are simply not viable. The price will have to come down enormously, and battery charging time will also have to plummet. And the absence of TC makes this bike lethal.
That's why you buy used. I found a 2018 S, worth 600 miles on it, for $7000. And the battery is still under warranty, AND it's transferable.
Oh, and it has the upgraded battery as well.
Too expensive for a non so much premium bike.
Ugly and expensive...
18k for electric scooter? I'll pass, as the most people with more brain than money.