It’s amazing because in my country under yours French is going downhill at an amazing speed too ! Young adults have lost so much vocabulary it’s insane !
For anyone wondering what happened to the first guy, his appeal eventually made it to the House of Lords (which acted as the Supreme Court at the time) in 1985, where it was accepted i.e. his sentence was overturned. The case is called R v Moloney and it's an important case in the development of the law surrounding murder which all British law students learn about
One of the reasons I'm watching this is to listen to Moloney speak and talk about his stepfather. I'd heard my father talk about it. Indeed, shocking. Oblique intent!
imagine them interviewing people in UK prisons today for a documentary lol! ''Ya get me bruv!! I bare wetted him up. In here now fam. Ya get me?? Jail tings, fam....''
As soon as "Linda" the gay murderer appeared i remembered i've seen this documentary sometime in the late 1980's or possibly early 90s. Most Documentarys back then were really good, i guess you could say it was the decade of the Docs!.
Look how well and well spoken young people were. Now go and watch Michael palins ‘confessions of a railway spotter’ filmed in the same year. Look at how beautiful and stunning the uk looked both in London and the north whilst he made his way from London to Scotland.
@@IngramCars They were, standard have slowly dropped, not sure when it started but there are documentaries of highland crofters and people in slums etc that are well spoken, working class accent but quite good at communicating their thoughts.
And then watch the TV comedy show Porridge. Good times to be growing up in England compared to today after the immigrant invasions of the last 40 years.
Because society was less agitated by constant media noise. The people you're seeing grew up with 2 T.V. channels that started at 9am, and ended at 11pm. Media today is non-stop, constantly cultivating dullards, and louts, who bang on about diversity, and immigration, as if they understood the rudimentary elements of this world.
@@kitharrison8799was the good days of England a time where I would have been proud to call this my home now I dread it. Immigration and adding culture diversity has destroyed England for good. The next generations our gonna be even more fucked!
Your not alone l lived on a farm my dad was a horrible man with drink in him l wanting to plenty of times l had a shotgun when l was 11 many years later l talked him out of killing himself when my mam left him l got no thanks for it why l rescue dogs never been married lm happy doing my own thing
@@zaphodbeeblebrox9109 i never hit a person in my life till my sisters husband came at me with a knife he got up and said hit me again which i did. Walking Away from alkohol situTions.
It was in the process of changing. Unions being destroyed plus mass immigration - many of them unskilled. England lost its identity and is now one of the wokest, craziest, places in the English speaking world. Imagine telling these blokes that biological men would hold records in women's sports and that you could go to gaol for intentionally misgendering someone. Sad.
There was a follow up done by Rex Bloomenstein in 2003 and I would like to see another, but I guess it would be hard to get these people to go on camera again. Some would be dead by now I would assume.
The guy there calling Alistair is a relative of mine,it happened many years ago and I was very young. Almost all of the family stories I've heard of it is,,, his dad was very tough on him(a prick of a man by the sound of it) and when Alistair came home from the army his dad continued to bring him down, and from what I've been told by certain family members that the only trueth in his story he told about what happened that night is,,yeah they both went out with shotguns. But his evil old step dad used the competition to get him out, but then started to belittle him and called him a coward and something along the line of,,, even the army couldn't make a killer of a cowardly idiot like you! and then pointed his shotgun at him, threatening to shoot him in the knees Alistair got scared and angry then retaliated, and as you heard in his own words "accidentally"🙄 shot him in the side of the head.
@@kebabtank I'm not really sure what he's doing now, and after my dad died (the side of the family he is from) I don't see much of them much and there is a few crazy relative's on my dad's side lol but I haven't ever met him in person only seen him in this and an old family photo years ago but I'll always remember that story in the family and that is all I can honestly tell you, thanks for sharing this, it was a cousin of mine who told me about this video being on here 👍
Thanks for the info he was a lovely young lad in this film smart too i really hope he got his life back on track you can tell that lad is not a bad person .
Thank you for letting us know what happened for him to be where he is. So sad that his evil dad did this to him. He seems such a good person, I really hope he made something of his life when he got out. Sending some love to him from a wee Scottish lassie. 💕Glasgow 🏴
That ex army guy...if you believe that story youll believe anything. He clearly never learned anything in the army, was completely reckless and undisciplined with a gun. "I didn't realise the gun was pointed at him" pprrfff
In fairness, these guys were a product of the WW2 generation. I think they were more blind about things. More matter of fact. It was a survival strategy used by their parents or themselves. But I still think an army man k own where a gun is pointing though.
In fairness, these guys were a product of the WW2 generation. I think they were more blind about things. More matter of fact. It was a survival strategy used by their parents or themselves. But I still think an army man k own where a gun is pointing though.
@@kc8181 for sure i was brought up by my grandparents grandad was in dday at sword beach landing they where very strict on me i personally found them days a lot better then today
Great documentary, very informative. People were a lot more articulate in the past, don’t know if it’s because of the education system or today’s social environment.
The artist guy is fascinating to listen to. Inteligent and articulate, explaining his crime with no bullshit. Eye opener, scary really how one bad decision in a moment of anger could conceivably happen for anyone and lead to someone dying and another being locked up. Heat of the moment.
I've been in prison with many lifers,and most of them have told me the biggest punishment is the one they put on themselves, living with the fact that you have taken someone's life many told me is harder than doing the life sentence itself. I told them, tell that to the relatives of that deceased person!!!
I’m Irish and have given and taken life if the political situation in my country had been different I would have never known the inside of an English prison. I have sat and talked with the family of the man who’s life I was involved in taking. He had taken 3 life’s I was young I thought I was defending my people but I feel no remorse for my victim. He like I knew the rules he carried a gun and was a paramilitary his victim’s where unarmed civilians, I was released under the GFA. I hate the fact I took a life but if I had to take one I’m glad it was him. I accepted the punishment as just if you take a life you must give yours but they don’t hang killers anymore. This program upsets me .
Just come from the 1972 Women in prison. Man alive series. Filmed in Holloway. A woman in the comments section mentioned this documentary so great that I've found it. 👍. I'm almost 37, first went prison in 2004, last 2019. Prison was different (lots of changes) throughout those years, so to see prison in the 70's and 80's is crazy! I love how they spoke back then! And it doesn't seem full of wannabe badboys and chavvy girls. Lol (Not judging as met some brilliant girls throughout the years, but there's always a few gobby cows who's bark is bigger than their bite) .
I'm glad you kept out since 2019! Keep it up. Had a close call a few times,especially, thankfully, never been in. Thought of doing any time with the dinlos you see about these days fills me with dread more so than the sentence! Good docu, there a few good ones on TH-cam from 70s & 80s. Good film about runaways in London called Johnny Come Home.
I had a good time in the Scrubs in the hot summer of 1976. Plenty of books, exercise every morning and evening, a cell of my own, plenty of food, cats running everywhere.
@@rexterrocks I was awaiting a psychiatric decision and was in hospital with Ian Brady and Graham Young, poisoner. Saw John Stonehouse MP when he arrived. 300 young prisoners shouting out from B wing 'Do your bird Stonehouse, you cunt.'
That guy Dennis who killed his mother - why on earth should that guy decide his own fate? His poor mother that he murdered likely begged for her life but he didn’t listen so why should the prison system to him? He wants a quick easy way out because he’s got ‘nothing to look forward to’ rather than serving his life sentence well tough it doesn’t work like that. If someone murdered me or a loved one and then was caught, I’d be pretty pi**ed if the offender got to dictate their life thereafter as to what suited them best like choosing to just take a nice little pill to put them to sleep i.e escape their punishment!
1st class stamps were cheap back then, I couldn't believe it recently when I bought a book of ten I think it was over £10. More than a pound to send a simple letter and I think they're going up again soon.
I watched a video today about a 20 plus yr old who cot 110 years because his truck breaks failed. He could have been delivering medical supplies on a regular basis
Alright mate. There was a follow up to this programme broadcast in 2003 and half were out, half were still in and some were on the run! The young lad at the beginning, the ex-soldier, got out in 1985 on appeal and the man with the drop moustache @ 21:45 is a man called Trevor Kane. He was an ex-squaddie and French Foreign Legionaire (an amazing life story) and he died a few years ago in either Newcastle or Ashton undey lyme. And btw, if any of the others are still in, I'd be amazed. They are either elderly or dead, apart from the young lad, he'd be in his sixties now. All the best.
@@A_M_P_ Some of it is on TH-cam in bits and pieces from other docs by Rex Bloomstein and cobbled together. Just put 'Uk prison 1982' into your search bar and go from there. I clearly remember the follow up and recorded it on video at the time. Unfortunately, I have no means or the inclination to spend the money to put it on the tube. Best wishes.
@kebabtank Thank you. I found one follow up video so far. I'm an American so I don't know much at all about UK prisons. This was definitely an eye-opener. What shocks me the most, however, is how eloquent those prisoners were lol
That kids story, and I do believe him, is the saddest thing I have ever heard. Men aren't the same. A 'man' twice his age these days wouldn't be so willing to stand up and take responsibility for their actions. Not blame others. Not say things are wrong and they are being wronged. I feel so bad for him.
Pleading not guilty and claiming blackout drunk insomnia isn't taking responsibility for your actions. The state of these comments. Folk saying the murderers back then were better than now. A murderer is still a Murderer, regardless of when in history.!
@@C86-x5r Well, I wrote what I wrote because I believed him. I didn't think his assertion that he was blackout drunk was a lie to get out of responsibility. I believe he was drunk; things went down just as he said, and now he owns that and is taking responsibility. It's a tragic waste all around - that's what gets me, I suppose.
My uncle spent two years in Brookshire because he broke into an abandoned hospital and stole a gynecologist chair. He thought it'd be funny to tie it to the back of my grandma's car using a super long rope. She pulled out of her driveway and went up the road about 50 yards when the gyno chair whipped out of her driveway and took off behind her. He made sure the rope was long enough that she wouldn't notice. Well, she didn't notice for a couple miles during that time the gyno chair was banging and scraping into things on the sides of the road. I guess she went around a sharp turn and the gynecologist chair struck a guy on a bicycle. They estimated the chair had to be moving at high speed considering the damage it did to him and his bike. It also weighed a ton which didn't help matters any.
He said he could not remember a thing due to being so drunk, yet he explained everything what happened. Thats why he was found guilty of murder, he could not use being intoxicated, as a defence for manslaughter.
Note all the male interviewees had neatly rolled shirt sleeves with a white reverse showing. Shirts like that were a bit of a status thing in those days, with the alpha types picking them out of the stack on laundry day. It seemed to be a thing that professional villains did, as they had a real thing about neatness and cleanliness. They often grabbed a few white towels and laid them on the shelves and table in their cell like table clothes. It was a thing. Many if not most of the rest of the prisoners were indifferent to that pose or too shambolic to care. I reckon the cons in this video were given the best shirts for their appearances in front of the cameras.
Thanks for this insight I don’t feel so weird now for getting a little distracted with the first guys shirt thinking how nice the rolled up sleeves were considering where he was! 😅
I have it but you have to watch it with a american vpn enabled its called lifers as well sadly channel 4 blocked it in this country as it caused a lot of problems with the victims family
@@CharlieEdward25 many thanks for your videos . I am out of the UK and VPN enabled . Is the other video on your page ? As I can't see it . Kind regards
@@ptrekboxbreaks5198 they explain in the video that a life sentence in the uk doesn't actually mean the person will stay locked up until they die, they can be released but it depends when. Most serve p about 10 years.
I knew Trevor Kane intervied in this video 22:11 he died in a subway in Ashton Under Lyne. Freedom is very important, to go out for a walk, stand at a bus stop waiting in the rain for a bus. Things these men could only dream of doing for years and years.
Hello there, many thanks for sharing this sad news. I remember there was an article in the Times in 2003 about Trevor, shortly before the follow up to the first Lifer series was broadcast. And for me, Trevors' story was the most interesting of the lot. I was fascinated with his military and subsequent criminal background, and although he seemed very troubled in the follow up series (I believe he was in his sixties by then) he appeared to be living quite comfortably. He served a very long sentence and had a very chaotic life as a younger man, but it was so sad to see him weeping when he talked about the murder he committed later in life. Could I ask you, when did Trevor die? How old was he? And what were the circumstances? All the best.
I'm watching this after just watching the documentary Broadmoor - Serial Killers & High Security, where the hostage/murder by Robert Maudsley was a subject. What a coincidence that his co-conspirator David Cheeseman is starring in this docu talking about the incident 41:28. Great docu, thanks for sharing. Cheers from the Netherlands
@@dragonfitter 2 wrongs don't make it right...Screws are trained only to use control and restraint techniques by home office approval, anything ie kicks,punches, beatings is a criminal act.
The last man, well, he was smooth, clever in choosing his words and I think he was very honest. But he was also so eerie! There's something dark about him that I would not trust
the most chilling inmate is the woman at 60 minutes approx. The stink of self pity, no sense that she was responsible for her actions on her burglary spree, batshit crazy, brooding and very difficult to read. The reminds me of Myra Hindley. Next time you see a Friendship Society, give it a pass......
You should see her in the follow up documentary that was made in 2003. She had got out (think she did about 15 years) and she was the oldest looking forty-something I had ever seen. She had settled though and had a son, overall though I did feel sorry for her as it sounds like she was of a low intellect, had very low self-esteem and had been easily led.
@@janty68 Not sure, but I did read the family of the victim were not at all happy about it since the film presented Joyce as a victim rather than the elderly woman that had been killed. Also, in this documentary what she does NOT tell is that Colin didn't just take the woman upstairs and smash her with a brick...but first tried to drown her in the bath, then strangle her, and only then when neither of those worked set about her with a brick. All that time she did nothing...she may well have been scared, sure...I have no doubt that was very likely true...but watching these docs it's worth keeping in mind that many of them are most likely only telling you what they want to tell you. Joyce is a prime example...she's not exactly lying, but she's also not exactly telling the whole situation either.
When prison was prison,not like today.I went to the scrubs twice back then,waiting to be allocated for borstal,and second time,borstal recall for Onely.(that was hard).Today the cons are mollycoddled.Toilet and washbasin in a cell,tv,music players,private spends,your own clothes and all the rest of it.At least back then you knew where one stood,slop out,prison uniforms,if you were lucky a bit of work,it could be harsh but at least it was real.
@@nickpn23 agreed about the TVs and Xbox but they allow them to have those luxuries because it keeps the violence down because it stops the boredom. That’s why most prisoners kick off because their bored out of their brains. If dishing out a few TVs and Xbox’s keeps the peace then so be it. The prison officers want a easy life like anyone else so most are happy for them to have TVs and Xbox’s in their cells.
I agree, are you confused ? ; that is why he is a psychopath. The point is that these people are bad, not mad, i.e. they are malign, evil etc. Please note that we are hearing his version of events which is not contested, and, surprise, surprise, he presents himself as either not psychologically present at the events (though no mention of drugs etc), or as some kind of victim of circumstance.....No one has to beat someone's brains out with a hammer...if he was being exploited by someone, walk out of the front door......People are in Broadmoor because they are untreatable and fucking dangerous !!!!
At 21:37 the inmate with a budgie in his cell, theres something about it that strikes me as so sadly poetic about that. A prison within a prison. Two inmates, one presumably guilty, the other innocent and the innocent one imprisoned as a reward for the guilty
He was wrongly convicted in a famous murder case ( he was doing time for that whilst this was being made ) and was released after 20 something years,..he was a career criminal.
It's so very TH-cam that these comments are full of people nostalgicising for a fantasy golden era with a better class of criminal. Have a look at yourselves.
I think you’re the one that needs a reality check. This prison would be half full of imported terrorists now. Sorry to break it to you, the country is NOT in a better place.
That pianist guy is a strange case. A murderer with a conscience. I just don’t understand how he got himself into that situation. Imagine doing such a horrible thing then ringing the police to tell them
@17:08 - Re the death penalty: "....it wouldn't be a deterrent but it's a necessary thing, & it would enable us to spend more time with the remainder of the prisoners..."!!?? What?! So, basically, the choice of punishment imposed by the state should be decided by the resourses issue??!! What a load of twaddle!!!
He's saying that some people need to be put to death. That they're a waste of resources. And that those recourses being wasted on the worst of the worst, those who can't be rehabilitated, could be better suited to those who can be rehabilitated.. It makes perfect sense.
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Good to see and hear how the English spoke and thought back in the day. Brilliant documentary, thanks for sharing 🙏
It’s amazing because in my country under yours French is going downhill at an amazing speed too ! Young adults have lost so much vocabulary it’s insane !
@@frenchgoldenboyfanpeople espicalky in uk r thick as f now compared to these times
The fact that these criminals can talk and explain themselves really well compared to some of the knobs in prison today.
Illiterate, spice fuelled meat heads today true.
Yeah times are a changing for sure, and for the worst in this respect unfortunately.
@cross hatch2 True that!
F**k! Hope that fella is out and about today walking the str8. Army gave him discipline.
I know, now they are illiterate mongs that need sterilizing
For anyone wondering what happened to the first guy, his appeal eventually made it to the House of Lords (which acted as the Supreme Court at the time) in 1985, where it was accepted i.e. his sentence was overturned. The case is called R v Moloney and it's an important case in the development of the law surrounding murder which all British law students learn about
Incredible how calm he was. I wonder how long he served for manslaughter and what happened to him when he was released.
Bang to rights
@@1stBowman he was trained to kill remember
One of the reasons I'm watching this is to listen to Moloney speak and talk about his stepfather. I'd heard my father talk about it. Indeed, shocking. Oblique intent!
@@IceniSky you have only HIS word for that....we weren't there
imagine them interviewing people in UK prisons today for a documentary lol! ''Ya get me bruv!! I bare wetted him up. In here now fam. Ya get me?? Jail tings, fam....''
Innit like you know wot I mean
They don't make convicted criminals like they used to mate, we'll miss them now they're gone
Trust bruv what u sayin? mumzies good yh? Anuwaus wahalli send the ps to mans baby mum ting a dat for some baccy and ting g
@@Man_Raised_By_Puffinsconvicted murderers 😂
brap brap blud
excellent doco. got depth to it...and no pathetic background music attempting to tell you how to feel.
As a musician I agree with this sentiment entirely - nothing more irritating than unwelcome music
@@Ken_oh545👆This
The standard of sociological documentary and investigative film back up until the 1990s was just much better.
@@robertbryan4640 I’m watching ‘em lately. Great to listen to as I potter around my flat 👍🏻
@KinEllKokabel there was a series called 'man alive' on BBC. Have a look at them.
Great to see old school documentaries like this 👌
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You can say that again, pecker head!
As soon as "Linda" the gay murderer appeared i remembered i've seen this documentary sometime in the late 1980's or possibly early 90s. Most Documentarys back then were really good, i guess you could say it was the decade of the Docs!.
Look how well and well spoken young people were. Now go and watch Michael palins ‘confessions of a railway spotter’ filmed in the same year. Look at how beautiful and stunning the uk looked both in London and the north whilst he made his way from
London to Scotland.
And now look at the state!!
in 1980 you would listen to people on TV programmes 10 or 20 years previously and think they were more polite and better spoken!
@@IngramCars They were, standard have slowly dropped, not sure when it started but there are documentaries of highland crofters and people in slums etc that are well spoken, working class accent but quite good at communicating their thoughts.
And then watch the TV comedy show Porridge.
Good times to be growing up in England compared to today after the immigrant invasions of the last 40 years.
Stay sober and don't fuck around with shotguns.
Or at least don't do them at the same time. lol
Avoid. Ireland. As. We'll.
Why do prisons back then seem almost safer and more cultured than British streets today? 🤔
diversity
Because they were.
Too many lenient Judges and do gooders who let thi garbage out onto the street .
Immigration
Because society was less agitated by constant media noise. The people you're seeing grew up with 2 T.V. channels that started at 9am, and ended at 11pm. Media today is non-stop, constantly cultivating dullards, and louts, who bang on about diversity, and immigration, as if they understood the rudimentary elements of this world.
It's so weird how peoples accents change over the years. The voices seem softer, yet more mature. Maybe they just interviewed the best talkers?
Kids these days put on that daft rap/grime gibberish innit.
@@kitharrison8799 Also need to add several 'Likes' in every sentence as well.
@@kitharrison8799was the good days of England a time where I would have been proud to call this my home now I dread it. Immigration and adding culture diversity has destroyed England for good. The next generations our gonna be even more fucked!
Nope. This todays generation really is that diffrent!.
Amazing that the prisoners serving a life sentence back then speak more clearly and have more dignity than most people nowadays.
A lot of people get life for bumping off troublesome family members - makes me feel a bit better about having no contact with mine.
Your not alone l lived on a farm my dad was a horrible man with drink in him l wanting to plenty of times l had a shotgun when l was 11 many years later l talked him out of killing himself when my mam left him l got no thanks for it why l rescue dogs never been married lm happy doing my own thing
@@StuartWhelan-up8vsbless you Stuart. I wish you all the best.
Land and property. Wills. Cause. Murders.
Because you killed them right?
@@zaphodbeeblebrox9109 i never hit a person in my life till my sisters husband came at me with a knife he got up and said hit me again which i did.
Walking Away from alkohol situTions.
11:23
"What have you done about your alcoholism now you're inside?"
"Well, I've stopped drinking."
Hahahaga, classic!!
Hooch is a big problem in jails, especially for the violent drinkers who kick off in there on it!
When the UK was a very different place
Diversity is terrible.
It was in the process of changing. Unions being destroyed plus mass immigration - many of them unskilled. England lost its identity and is now one of the wokest, craziest, places in the English speaking world. Imagine telling these blokes that biological men would hold records in women's sports and that you could go to gaol for intentionally misgendering someone. Sad.
@@derp8575and you're a russian troll
Why would it be the same? This was literally last century
Diversity is our strength 😂😂😂
No TV's or play stations back in them days, a radio, piss pot and a few scud mags.
Scud mags 😂😂 Tremendous 80’s dialect!
Scud mags 😂
Skin flicks.
Jizz mags.😂
never heard that term scud? wank mags over here!
Scud mags 😂😂😂 Jesus I haven't heard that for years dude. Just spat my beer out 😂😂
@@m75s87I had same reaction mate
"So I went upstairs and grabbed a couple of shotguns".......like you do!
What could possibly go wrong??
@@edforbes1563 When you're drunk? Nothing!!
The first story is a great example of having a positive mental attitude. Four years in the army can instill discipline.
That's right. As an aside, the lad got out in 1985 as the murder charge was reduced to manslaughter.
Wow iam amazed how eloquent these people are
Shows how the English language has been butchered by outside influence. England was better 20+ years ago.
Why ? All the British, born before 1990 speak this way. Societal Intelligence..
The days when the jobcentre had vacancies printed on cards. I remember that. Never got one interview.
As of 2024 I’d like to see a update video of these mam and their life.
There was a follow up done by Rex Bloomenstein in 2003 and I would like to see another, but I guess it would be hard to get these people to go on camera again. Some would be dead by now I would assume.
The searing honesty is incredible .
I know. For me it's the brevity in the way they talk, they just get straight to the point, no messing about.
they got chocolates / cigarettes for their interviews - never trust the television
@@truetothegame2928 who cares
you wouldnt get that with the shits of today.
@@paulmcdonough1093 you do because you replied 😝
The guy there calling Alistair is a relative of mine,it happened many years ago and I was very young. Almost all of the family stories I've heard of it is,,, his dad was very tough on him(a prick of a man by the sound of it) and when Alistair came home from the army his dad continued to bring him down, and from what I've been told by certain family members that the only trueth in his story he told about what happened that night is,,yeah they both went out with shotguns. But his evil old step dad used the competition to get him out, but then started to belittle him and called him a coward and something along the line of,,, even the army couldn't make a killer of a cowardly idiot like you! and then pointed his shotgun at him, threatening to shoot him in the knees Alistair got scared and angry then retaliated, and as you heard in his own words "accidentally"🙄 shot him in the side of the head.
Thank you for sharing this with us mate. I hope Alistair is well? What did he do with his life when he got out? All the best.
@@kebabtank I'm not really sure what he's doing now, and after my dad died (the side of the family he is from) I don't see much of them much and there is a few crazy relative's on my dad's side lol but I haven't ever met him in person only seen him in this and an old family photo years ago but I'll always remember that story in the family and that is all I can honestly tell you, thanks for sharing this, it was a cousin of mine who told me about this video being on here 👍
Thanks for the info he was a lovely young lad in this film smart too i really hope he got his life back on track you can tell that lad is not a bad person .
Someone in the comments further down said that he won his appeal and was released in 1985.
Thank you for letting us know what happened for him to be where he is. So sad that his evil dad did this to him. He seems such a good person, I really hope he made something of his life when he got out. Sending some love to him from a wee Scottish lassie. 💕Glasgow 🏴
Said it for years the amount of people doing time being drunk/drugged is phenomenal.
That ex army guy...if you believe that story youll believe anything. He clearly never learned anything in the army, was completely reckless and undisciplined with a gun. "I didn't realise the gun was pointed at him" pprrfff
Well I beg to differ, the amount of NGs(negligent discharges) I seen during my time was ridiculous on active duty and in the training field.
The amount of people in for committing their crimes while drunk is scary
More in for what they smoke trust me .
Alcohol is deadly
Yeah mate drink and these days especially drugs, they cause so many one off offences that can ruin lives too often.
Don't hang out with drunks. It's a nightmare existence. I know, because I was there, once upon a time!!
@@BullyBoxer yes in todays age mate, not back then so much.
A very cold character the first guy. But an army man who didn’t know he was pointing a gun at someone? Not so sure about that.
Couldn't work it out myself probs a drunken arguement possibly we will never no :(
In fairness, these guys were a product of the WW2 generation. I think they were more blind about things. More matter of fact. It was a survival strategy used by their parents or themselves. But I still think an army man k own where a gun is pointing though.
In fairness, these guys were a product of the WW2 generation. I think they were more blind about things. More matter of fact. It was a survival strategy used by their parents or themselves. But I still think an army man k own where a gun is pointing though.
@@kc8181 for sure i was brought up by my grandparents grandad was in dday at sword beach landing they where very strict on me i personally found them days a lot better then today
He won his appeal, got out in 85 .
The punishment is losing their liberty that doesn’t mean treat them like animals. Treat people like animals they’ll act like animals.
Great documentary, very informative. People were a lot more articulate in the past, don’t know if it’s because of the education system or today’s social environment.
1982 Documentary, prisoner said it himself.
The artist guy is fascinating to listen to. Inteligent and articulate, explaining his crime with no bullshit. Eye opener, scary really how one bad decision in a moment of anger could conceivably happen for anyone and lead to someone dying and another being locked up. Heat of the moment.
I've been in prison with many lifers,and most of them have told me the biggest punishment is the one they put on themselves, living with the fact that you have taken someone's life many told me is harder than doing the life sentence itself. I told them, tell that to the relatives of that deceased person!!!
Exactly James.
Of course you did james ofc you did!.
I’m Irish and have given and taken life if the political situation in my country had been different I would have never known the inside of an English prison. I have sat and talked with the family of the man who’s life I was involved in taking. He had taken 3 life’s I was young I thought I was defending my people but I feel no remorse for my victim. He like I knew the rules he carried a gun and was a paramilitary his victim’s where unarmed civilians, I was released under the GFA. I hate the fact I took a life but if I had to take one I’m glad it was him. I accepted the punishment as just if you take a life you must give yours but they don’t hang killers anymore. This program upsets me .
A phenomenal documentary. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Just come from the 1972 Women in prison. Man alive series. Filmed in Holloway.
A woman in the comments section mentioned this documentary so great that I've found it. 👍.
I'm almost 37, first went prison in 2004, last 2019.
Prison was different (lots of changes) throughout those years, so to see prison in the 70's and 80's is crazy!
I love how they spoke back then! And it doesn't seem full of wannabe badboys and chavvy girls. Lol
(Not judging as met some brilliant girls throughout the years, but there's always a few gobby cows who's bark is bigger than their bite) .
Glad you enjoy these few other good prison docs on the channel 😀
Gobby Cows 😂 haven't heard that one 😂😂😂
@@CharlieEdward25any first or 2nd names to the lifers in this film ?
I'm glad you kept out since 2019! Keep it up. Had a close call a few times,especially, thankfully, never been in.
Thought of doing any time with the dinlos you see about these days fills me with dread more so than the sentence! Good docu, there a few good ones on TH-cam from 70s & 80s. Good film about runaways in London called Johnny Come Home.
Ah - the bomber jacket - the hoodie of the 80s 😂
Sta-Press, waffle cardigans, Ben Shermans, DM's, solo belts & M15 jacket.
I had a good time in the Scrubs in the hot summer of 1976. Plenty of books, exercise every morning and evening, a cell of my own, plenty of food, cats running everywhere.
And the architecture is some of the finest Victoriana I've seen.
@cross hatch2 Blue plastic spoons. big mugs of tea and a cake each evening after lock-up. Bliss!
The pottery I'm not so sure.
I was there in 85 and there were 3 of us to a cell. I'd only give it 2 stars.
@@rexterrocks I was awaiting a psychiatric decision and was in hospital with Ian Brady and Graham Young, poisoner. Saw John Stonehouse MP when he arrived. 300 young prisoners shouting out from B wing 'Do your bird Stonehouse, you cunt.'
Would much rather be in prison in the 80’s that the 2020’s !!
I was lucky to be, than now
amazing vintage uk doc
Different criminals back then unlike today
Todays generation aint got a patch on ours! They dont even come close
I expected "Flech" to walk out of his cell at the beginning. 😂
🤣🤣🤣
Rubber dolls for prisoners 😂 . We must start a campaign for rubber dolls .
His ass is getting pummeled
More like dildos
Jail today is 80 percent junkies 10 percent polish and 10 percent just normal guys getting there head down and getting on with it.
The first man is unbelievable.
why? wtf is wrong with you?
A very dangerous and mentally unstable individual.
Certainly not responsible enough to own a gun.
That guy Dennis who killed his mother - why on earth should that guy decide his own fate? His poor mother that he murdered likely begged for her life but he didn’t listen so why should the prison system to him? He wants a quick easy way out because he’s got ‘nothing to look forward to’ rather than serving his life sentence well tough it doesn’t work like that. If someone murdered me or a loved one and then was caught, I’d be pretty pi**ed if the offender got to dictate their life thereafter as to what suited them best like choosing to just take a nice little pill to put them to sleep i.e escape their punishment!
Some of the comments here ridiculous talking about how well they speak who cares they murderers and should never come out
Just watching this and it’s excellent. Would love to know what became of some the inmates.
One of the best
@@virusoaxzy9727 That great time hear. Just goes to show how people can make a success of their lives despite things not always going to plan.
“Million pound and helicopter”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👌 classic
Fuck it, just give us a bottle of pernod!
I pissed myself at that too.
30:40 theres a fine line between genius and insanity and this fella is walking right along it.
"I picked up a hammer that was lying on the side" - he's lucky I can never find a hammer when I need one
@@MrGoneTroppo have you looked in the toolbox?
I’m assuming he never got out. Fascinating listen.
Also, imagine how mental the blokes are he chooses to avoid 🤣
1st class stamps were cheap back then, I couldn't believe it recently when I bought a book of ten I think it was over £10. More than a pound to send a simple letter and I think they're going up again soon.
Try getting a letter from one city to any other for a pound
Bet you cannot do it
Amazing footage with the fella who was with Bob maudsley.. mad to see that..thanks
Never at 13 minutes was that Bob Maudsley? I feel bad for that guy a bit.
The guys name is David Cheeseman.
@@paulwoods3161do you know what happened to him? Cheers
@@paulwoods3161 Cheers. I was wondering if he’s still alive.
Cheeseman raped a 16 year old girl.
I watched a video today about a 20 plus yr old who cot 110 years because his truck breaks failed.
He could have been delivering medical supplies on a regular basis
I wonder what happened to all these lifers. How many of them would still be inside today, 40 years on.
Alright mate. There was a follow up to this programme broadcast in 2003 and half were out, half were still in and some were on the run! The young lad at the beginning, the ex-soldier, got out in 1985 on appeal and the man with the drop moustache @ 21:45 is a man called Trevor Kane. He was an ex-squaddie and French Foreign Legionaire (an amazing life story) and he died a few years ago in either Newcastle or Ashton undey lyme. And btw, if any of the others are still in, I'd be amazed. They are either elderly or dead, apart from the young lad, he'd be in his sixties now. All the best.
@@kebabtankthank you for the update.
@kebabtank Where can we find the 2003 follow up?
@@A_M_P_ Some of it is on TH-cam in bits and pieces from other docs by Rex Bloomstein and cobbled together. Just put 'Uk prison 1982' into your search bar and go from there. I clearly remember the follow up and recorded it on video at the time. Unfortunately, I have no means or the inclination to spend the money to put it on the tube. Best wishes.
@kebabtank Thank you. I found one follow up video so far. I'm an American so I don't know much at all about UK prisons. This was definitely an eye-opener. What shocks me the most, however, is how eloquent those prisoners were lol
The penal system isn't designed to rehabilitate. It's designed to break. No such thing as reform.
i was reformed 100%
@@eyefishinggunkchannel1011 You reformed you not the prison system
Certainly was true, I couldn't tell you about nowadays.
The Scandinavian prison systems would beg to differ.
That kids story, and I do believe him, is the saddest thing I have ever heard.
Men aren't the same. A 'man' twice his age these days wouldn't be so willing to stand up and take responsibility for their actions. Not blame others. Not say things are wrong and they are being wronged. I feel so bad for him.
Pleading not guilty and claiming blackout drunk insomnia isn't taking responsibility for your actions. The state of these comments. Folk saying the murderers back then were better than now. A murderer is still a
Murderer, regardless of when in history.!
@@C86-x5r Well, I wrote what I wrote because I believed him. I didn't think his assertion that he was blackout drunk was a lie to get out of responsibility. I believe he was drunk; things went down just as he said, and now he owns that and is taking responsibility. It's a tragic waste all around - that's what gets me, I suppose.
this is rare...from the 80s bloody hell verry rare..
Take me back to t5he 80s anyday as once the 2000s hit everything went to the s hit house. ( world wide that is.
I must have seen this decades ago because I remember my dad laughing out loud at the you're an attractive woman comment.
26.00 Yes, give prisoners rubber dolls to prevent homosexuality haha! Isn't a rubber doll just a posh wank?
My uncle spent two years in Brookshire because he broke into an abandoned hospital and stole a gynecologist chair. He thought it'd be funny to tie it to the back of my grandma's car using a super long rope. She pulled out of her driveway and went up the road about 50 yards when the gyno chair whipped out of her driveway and took off behind her. He made sure the rope was long enough that she wouldn't notice. Well, she didn't notice for a couple miles during that time the gyno chair was banging and scraping into things on the sides of the road. I guess she went around a sharp turn and the gynecologist chair struck a guy on a bicycle. They estimated the chair had to be moving at high speed considering the damage it did to him and his bike. It also weighed a ton which didn't help matters any.
He said he could not remember a thing due to being so drunk, yet he explained everything what happened. Thats why he was found guilty of murder, he could not use being intoxicated, as a defence for manslaughter.
You can't anyway. Intoxication is no defence in British law.
he said was going with what evidence says
Why are you looking to catch him out?! Who set YOU up to be his judge?! You're not fit for that purpose..................
Lol
@@nickpn23 Actually it can be used as a way of removing intent from certain crimes.
Getting old is a TRIP
Pretty sure the guy talking at 44 mins about the murder in Broadmoor is talking about robert mauldley who was referred to as bob ..
He is
Note all the male interviewees had neatly rolled shirt sleeves with a white reverse showing. Shirts like that were a bit of a status thing in those days, with the alpha types picking them out of the stack on laundry day. It seemed to be a thing that professional villains did, as they had a real thing about neatness and cleanliness. They often grabbed a few white towels and laid them on the shelves and table in their cell like table clothes. It was a thing. Many if not most of the rest of the prisoners were indifferent to that pose or too shambolic to care. I reckon the cons in this video were given the best shirts for their appearances in front of the cameras.
Thanks for this insight I don’t feel so weird now for getting a little distracted with the first guys shirt thinking how nice the rolled up sleeves were considering where he was! 😅
@@moominmay I knew it would bother some people, so I thought I'd explain.
@@moominmayI think that’s the army tbh, looking at soldiers during the time they have their sleeves exactly the same
More civilised than most of today's societies.
Guy near beginning describing how he shot his father in detail, then says he doesn't remember a thing, that he had total amnesia.
Joyce is talking herself in to more time here... "I've not changed"
Many thanks for this, top man. If you have any more of this series or even the follow up in 2003. I' be very grateful. all the best.
I have it but you have to watch it with a american vpn enabled its called lifers as well sadly channel 4 blocked it in this country as it caused a lot of problems with the victims family
@@CharlieEdward25 many thanks for your videos . I am out of the UK and VPN enabled . Is the other video on your page ? As I can't see it . Kind regards
@@garypilling1968 other video ?
@@CharlieEdward25 sorry you mentioned above you had one of the follow up ones to lifers unless I misread it
@@garypilling1968 yeah i had the latest one its there on my channel but needs a vpn yeah usa i think works
Madness how quite a of these people will still be in prison at this current moment.
this was the 80s now that is 42 years ago u only get 15 for a murder or a bit more none of them will be still in
They are doing 15 years
@@odorlesslebs8055 the very first kid had a life sentence
@@ptrekboxbreaks5198 they explain in the video that a life sentence in the uk doesn't actually mean the person will stay locked up until they die, they can be released but it depends when. Most serve p about 10 years.
@@ptrekboxbreaks5198 He got out in 1985 after an appeal.
"So how long you been doing a life sentence " . Reply " o week last Friday now "!!! Jesus
I knew Trevor Kane intervied in this video 22:11 he died in a subway in Ashton Under Lyne. Freedom is very important, to go out for a walk, stand at a bus stop waiting in the rain for a bus. Things these men could only dream of doing for years and years.
Thank you for sharing sad to hear that 😢
Hello there, many thanks for sharing this sad news. I remember there was an article in the Times in 2003 about Trevor, shortly before the follow up to the first Lifer series was broadcast. And for me, Trevors' story was the most interesting of the lot. I was fascinated with his military and subsequent criminal background, and although he seemed very troubled in the follow up series (I believe he was in his sixties by then) he appeared to be living quite comfortably. He served a very long sentence and had a very chaotic life as a younger man, but it was so sad to see him weeping when he talked about the murder he committed later in life. Could I ask you, when did Trevor die? How old was he? And what were the circumstances? All the best.
@@kebabtank th-cam.com/video/8yNevA1L8F0/w-d-xo.html
@@Sameoldfitup Many thanks.
I'm watching this after just watching the documentary Broadmoor - Serial Killers & High Security, where the hostage/murder by Robert Maudsley was a subject. What a coincidence that his co-conspirator David Cheeseman is starring in this docu talking about the incident 41:28.
Great docu, thanks for sharing. Cheers from the Netherlands
Here's a canny channel about serial killers its a bit different thats for sure
(LOLFIELDANDLOVE)
The Satanic conspiracy
The guy talking at 40 mins plus deserves a whole life sentence
My dad (While taking me to meet his new girlfriend) told me she'd murdered her husband, but was ok. Glad i didn't meet them again..
Different species doing life in London these days
Yep - roadmen
"Initi though bloodclart"
1:29:30 15p for a carrier bag in 82? Where was it, Harrods?
Yeah I thought that sounded wrong too, I thought they would have been free in those days.
They sounded all wrong to him as well @@mattgosling2657
That young lad should have been charged with manslaughter at the most. It was a stupid event that went wrong being drunk.
In the end, he was. He got out in 1985.
23 hour's a day bang up then 1980.. 23 hour's a day bang up now 2024.. do your bird, get your nut down, do your time, don't come back..
Bloke at the start who killed his dad is 67 years old now....I wonder what became of him...
Edit: never mind I read down further lol
Yes. I think people were a bit stronger. I think stoic is the word.
I wonder what happened to these guys. I was nineteen in 82.
I was 15. Wish I was back there now.
Lifer (1983) Rex Bloomstein / Thames Television
Screws were brutal in the Scrubs in the 80s and early 90s.
Kevin Murphy all prisons back then was brutal
I would imagine when dealing with men as violent as these that brutal would be the best way to keep them in order
@@dragonfitter 2 wrongs don't make it right...Screws are trained only to use control and restraint techniques by home office approval, anything ie kicks,punches, beatings is a criminal act.
@@kevm4035 true but shame it doesn't work like that 😕
I'm assuming it's just like Scum
I'm sure that puff was in a book I read normal parker Parkhurst tails was a staunch man to say hes queer
If all screws were like this guy talking with the inmate prisons would run more smoother there is good screws you know give respect to them
We all know you was the screws favourite con . You was definitely the screws teaboy
The siege guy, I want a million pounds and a helicopter, police :: No, Guy, ok a bottle of Pernod then 🤣🤣
So funny
I like the segment from 15:05 to 17:13.
It is refreshing to hear someone talk in this way.
Am on a life sentence not for murder but to protect the public. My minimum tarrif was 7 years only got out 11 months ago now
Just actually read this how's it going bud must be mad coming out after that long hope u keeping well bro
What happened? I mean if u were protectin other ppl how u get so much time
Wow!
So this guy was with Mordsley when they did the whole 'brain spoon' thing?
The last man, well, he was smooth, clever in choosing his words and I think he was very honest. But he was also so eerie! There's something dark about him that I would not trust
Very clean prison welldone lads
the most chilling inmate is the woman at 60 minutes approx. The stink of self pity, no sense that she was responsible for her actions on her burglary spree, batshit crazy, brooding and very difficult to read. The reminds me of Myra Hindley. Next time you see a Friendship Society, give it a pass......
You should see her in the follow up documentary that was made in 2003. She had got out (think she did about 15 years) and she was the oldest looking forty-something I had ever seen. She had settled though and had a son, overall though I did feel sorry for her as it sounds like she was of a low intellect, had very low self-esteem and had been easily led.
You can say that again, pecker head!
What is the name of the follow up documentary?
@@janty68 Not sure, but I did read the family of the victim were not at all happy about it since the film presented Joyce as a victim rather than the elderly woman that had been killed. Also, in this documentary what she does NOT tell is that Colin didn't just take the woman upstairs and smash her with a brick...but first tried to drown her in the bath, then strangle her, and only then when neither of those worked set about her with a brick. All that time she did nothing...she may well have been scared, sure...I have no doubt that was very likely true...but watching these docs it's worth keeping in mind that many of them are most likely only telling you what they want to tell you. Joyce is a prime example...she's not exactly lying, but she's also not exactly telling the whole situation either.
@@janty68 'Lifer: Living with murder' 2003
When prison was prison,not like today.I went to the scrubs twice back then,waiting to be allocated for borstal,and second time,borstal recall for Onely.(that was hard).Today the cons are mollycoddled.Toilet and washbasin in a cell,tv,music players,private spends,your own clothes and all the rest of it.At least back then you knew where one stood,slop out,prison uniforms,if you were lucky a bit of work,it could be harsh but at least it was real.
Phones! Video games! These people are spoilt children. Wasn't like that on B-wing with the baby burglars circa 1976.
I was in onley in 92 till 94 it was an easy prison. But I can imagine how rough it would have been back then.
@@nickpn23 agreed about the TVs and Xbox but they allow them to have those luxuries because it keeps the violence down because it stops the boredom. That’s why most prisoners kick off because their bored out of their brains. If dishing out a few TVs and Xbox’s keeps the peace then so be it. The prison officers want a easy life like anyone else so most are happy for them to have TVs and Xbox’s in their cells.
@@matty6848 That, and the fact it gives inmates something to lose if they do misbehave.
Sending the guy to the counter for some stamps was actually a rather clever test of honesty
He’s a VERY articulate young Man. Surely he would be better off in a High powered career.
The bloke talking at 40:00 plus is not mad. He is articulate, aware and can understand everything he has done.
Pretty sure the guy he calls bob that helped him is robert maudsley known as Hannibal the cannibal
@@quack437 I read your comment yesterday and today in our local paper there was a full article about Maudsley. You are right btw.
@@SimDeck i was thinking that cus the case sounds similar wee fact although hes called a cannibal he never ate anyone
I agree, are you confused ? ; that is why he is a psychopath. The point is that these people are bad, not mad, i.e. they are malign, evil etc. Please note that we are hearing his version of events which is not contested, and, surprise, surprise, he presents himself as either not psychologically present at the events (though no mention of drugs etc), or as some kind of victim of circumstance.....No one has to beat someone's brains out with a hammer...if he was being exploited by someone, walk out of the front door......People are in Broadmoor because they are untreatable and fucking dangerous !!!!
He's a nonce, called David Cheeseman
Jesus Christ check out the woman’s lifer prison, sit around, relax, kick back with a cigarette. Normal clothes. Watch some tv. What a joke 😂😂
At 21:37 the inmate with a budgie in his cell, theres something about it that strikes me as so sadly poetic about that. A prison within a prison. Two inmates, one presumably guilty, the other innocent and the innocent one imprisoned as a reward for the guilty
He was wrongly convicted in a famous murder case ( he was doing time for that whilst this was being made ) and was released after 20 something years,..he was a career criminal.
That's why it's called doing bird.
You're locked in a cage like a bird.
11.20
Hard getting off the booze when you have an alcoholic doctor.😁
I was in the Scrubs in 1980. It was a hot summer that year, 3 to a cell, 23 hour bang-up.
Must have stunk of piss, shit & sweat 😮
It's so very TH-cam that these comments are full of people nostalgicising for a fantasy golden era with a better class of criminal. Have a look at yourselves.
I look fine.
Have a look at yourself.
I think you’re the one that needs a reality check.
This prison would be half full of imported terrorists now.
Sorry to break it to you, the country is NOT in a better place.
@@PopupH88terILoveJuice-iz7sx I don’t think this is quite as smart an answer as it seemed in your head.
@@charlescharlie_charles
It was as smart an answer as it seemed in my head.
That pianist guy is a strange case. A murderer with a conscience. I just don’t understand how he got himself into that situation. Imagine doing such a horrible thing then ringing the police to tell them
It made rather a mess ... 😬
@17:08 - Re the death penalty: "....it wouldn't be a deterrent but it's a necessary thing, & it would enable us to spend more time with the remainder of the prisoners..."!!?? What?! So, basically, the choice of punishment imposed by the state should be decided by the resourses issue??!! What a load of twaddle!!!
He's saying that some people need to be put to death. That they're a waste of resources. And that those recourses being wasted on the worst of the worst, those who can't be rehabilitated, could be better suited to those who can be rehabilitated.. It makes perfect sense.