I wear my pro diver auto to work every day for 8 years. still works well. It's been dropped probably 80 times because I take it off and set it on the arm of my recliner and then knock it off but it still works great. It now loses about 1-2 minutes a day but I think it's because of being dropped. I even had a dog bite my arm and it dented the bezel slightly and broke the bracelet. New silicone band and it was ready to roll! The pro diver auto uses the Seiko movement and is very reliable.
Notice that his switch was nothing negative about Invicta quality, it was just him sucoming to peer pressure and being scared of his future. Regardless to what you are doing or wearing/own, it's you inside that determines who you are, not some mamas boy slob that you have something in common with. Know who you are be comfortable with what you personally like.
He insulted the fuck out of Invicta by calling it costume jewelry. Watches don't get you noticed or make your dick work better. No woman in history has ever asked a man driving a Corvette "where is your watch"? They don't give a shit. Maybe this guy is trying to impress other men?
@@butch.dieselsteak Typical BIT-h move, to go with the 'grammar' angle, because there's no facts to dispute with.. A MAN would debate with logic and documented evidence. Grammar does not change the message. Judging by your pea brain which commented on grammar when it was a misspelled word. and probably 2 commas, as if that makes a difference, it shows exactly what you are about..NOTHING..
In other words, he bought Invictas, enjoyed Invictas, then he visited a watch forum where everyone bags on Invictas, and gained an inferiority complex. Sound about right Champ?
@@TomTom-sm7il Don't worry man. Wear what you like. People with Pateks can bag on people wearing Omegas. It's about what you like, not what others think
@@mgolabek89 imo, it's creepy when people judge others for what they choose to wear. I almost don't want to wear a watch only because I don't want them looking at me. Even if they like my watch, I don't want to interact with them. Fortunately most people are normal in that regard.
@@TomTom-sm7il I understand you. Unfortunately it is what it is. People judge other people on variaty of things. Maybe just don't take your Invicta to a business meetings with your future business partners, if you run your own company. Otherwise rock it whenever you like!
It only becomes a problem when you care WAY too much about what other people think. It’s very "high school." I own several Invicta Pro Divers because they look good to me. I get a certain amount of joy tinkering with them, setting the time to the second each day, and don’t really give a shit about what you or anyone else has to say about Invicta. I like them because they are good quality, affordable., and make me feel happy. I once dreamed of owning a Rolex Submariner so I could be cool, like James Bond. But, the price for that foolish desire makes me, more or less, throw up in my mouth a bit. If someone wants to spend upwards of $8000 for a fucking watch… go for it. You can now impress your boss, friends, and countless others. Be happy.
To me invicta isn't bad. Yes their big but depending on the situation you can wear one. I have a lot of invictas but I'm done buying them. I'm not selling them tho. And no I'm not a idiot. I have also a audimars piguet royal oak offshore, a seiko skx, rolex Daytona, carrera tag heuer, Porsche design gt3 cup car edition, and a omega sea master. But I also have 28 invictas and I'm not ashamed of them
Hello Jeffrey! I have owned 3 invicta watches, and all of them was grade A quality. I know it doesnt cost a lot of money to buy, but when you are comparing the quality with other high end brands that does not have a solid gold case + bracelet, it is allmost better at invicta. I have worn the pro diver series for 6 years now, and even though it gets scratches here and there, there is NO form of gold scratching off or anything like that. it is a everyday watch, and i would never expect that a gold toned watch thats not solid would look so nice after 6 years.
I hear you. I'm no Invicta hater. I was just chronicling a past part of my watch obsession. Invicta always has some models out there that I like. So does Aragon, especially the Aragon Parma series.
To my way of thinking... watches that you wear get scratched, dented, scuffed, and you have to get a new one. Invictas are so inepensive that you can do that. In style. Thanks.
@Rafeal Miranda Haha @Matt Tucker Yeah and he is telling me about punctuation? On You Tube I don't give a shit. I said the same like he is talking about a drug addiction!? Funny shit and horrible channel. Also a "gangster" to him wears Invicta etc. That was a great laugh.
This story never gets old 😂! Now Invicta is referred by McMahon as a store watch brand or the brand that shall remain nameless. You’ve come far McMahon 😎.
Sorry to say but someone who buys 55 watches from a brand, and then one day realizes that they are all terrible, is someone who has a certain compulsive disorder.
IPO Same reasons people buy cheap clothes. From my perspective it looks like the same WIS that obsess over luxury watches aren’t wearing custom suits and made to measure shirts and don’t see the value in wearing good quality clothes and will buy the cheapest, dirt worst wardrobe.
well invicta is addictive cuz its cheap but the quality is amazing for the money. even the non pro diver big ugly watches they make have such a good build quality (although i'd never buy one of those)
Sorry to say this but listening to what you described and how you described it I think you and many others should seek professional counseling. Go talk to a psychologist, they actually work...however if you don't your gonna continue to spend money on things you don't need and will constantly try and fill a void that will never end. Try and cut yourself down to just seven watches in your current collection, next make a list of essential items, useful items and non essentials...try it
well said Travis, I thought about this after I expressed and sent my first comment to this dude that had bought 55 invicta, seek some medical help, there is something wrong in here. You got to face the root cause of the problem. He stated that he switch from invictas to seikos, so I guess he is on his way to buy 54 more seikos, lol.
ponce1968 : No I think hes got this thing figured out. I can tell he understands a steady dose of 10 Seiko divers can maintain any 50pc invicta addiction. Keeping a low dose of seiko divers allows any invicta addict to live a functional productive life . Think of it like methadone 😎
I've got 13 Invictas...no problems at all. ... lots of conversations started from them and just as many compliments. I've gotten tremendous deals on them by being patient and selective. I love the styling and different strokes for different folks.
The styling of Invicta is unique. The oversized watch is their trend. Hell i think they invented it. Im in love with their high end models. Subaqua, bolt and excursion. Really lovely watches for the price.
I bought my very first Invicta in 2000. It is an Invicta Gold Tone Ghost Diver II. It is still working and is in excellent condition in 2017. Go figure...
Interesting! I own lots of watches, lots of brands, 32 mechanical Invictas. A Subaqua Noma IV 6529 automatic was my first "real" watch featuring a Swiss movement. Before that, I only had cheap quartz beaters. So, while browsing Fora, I learned what components make a good timepiece. I really wanted a Swiss mechanical movement in a cool looking Diver and it had to be brand new. 5-6 years ago, at age 23 I believe, I only had 300 dollars to spend and really nothing came close to the Subaqua, design-wise, in that price range. When I got it, I was blown away by the quality. Most massive watch I had handled to that day. It really made me the watch addict that I am today. I bought 10 or so mechanical Invictas after and then tried other brands. Most of the time I was disappointed by the quality the other brands had to offer in the price range up to 300$, compared to the Invictas I already had. Cases, bands, dials and most mechanical movements are decent with Invicta. Flame Fusion seems okay for me, hard to scratch, though not impossible. I can live with that. Lume could be greater, true. If they had better lume, they'd be the best watch for under 500 dollars imho. But for lume, I have my Frankenmonster. Basically, Invicta offers the best watches for your money. It's sad that they chose to market their watches the way they do, that there is no respect for the brand. Therefore I totally understand why someone prefers to collect Seiko or Orient instead. But I truly believe that you get better value with Invicta. My Subaquas cost me just as much as my Monsters. Only thing that is superior on the Seikos is lume. The Subaquas win in case construction, band quality, movement (sellita or eta), overall detail and finishing. I also own higher priced watches up to 5000$, but enjoy my Invictas the most. Subaqua 3-5 mechanicals and the coalition forces 0963 are my favorite designs. Beasts of watches. They even make my Breitling SOH 46 Chrono look like a toy ;)) You need big wrists to truly enjoy Invictas. So, owning close to 100 modern mechanical watches of all kind of brands, I still go back to Invicta whenever I find a mechanical piece that I like. My favorite brand, period. I could be a snob, too. The brand itself is pretty laughable, but their mechanical watches are good quality and I won't lie about it. 5-6 years in and I never had an Invicta fail on me. Luxury brands I had the most negative experiences with! Every brand can sell a dud to you.. It just happens. Be an educated customer and buy what you like. Greetings to my fellow watch nuts :)
I have an Invicta Pro Diver. It's a good Sub homage watch. Most of the other Invictas I've seen are not to my taste, though. Most of the other Invictas I've seen are oversized and kind of flashy.
It's called progression Jeff; and self-realisation. It takes a brave man to publicly 'out' himself over his real, or imagined, weaknesses. Respect. I have two Invictas in my 77 watch collection. My first watch ever, 14 months ago, a blue dial mechanical Submariner homage is joined by a rose gold, quartz Hydromax which doubles as a door stopper! Therefore I am qualified to relate. You are not alone.
I did the opposite. I went from Rolex to Invicta . For me I got tired of having to adjust my Rolex every few weeks and so the technically superior quartz movements in the Invictas that did it for me. I'm very happy now with Invictas because I don't have to ever worry and check the time or even having to adjust the time. I still have Rolex watches but they are in the winder boxes and haven't been worn for nearly two years now
Just stumbled on your review. I'm now retired and a modest watch collector (Chinese, Japanese, and Swiss). After many, many watch reviews and some watch education..., ironically, I just purchased my first Invicta, the Pro Diver, automatic, submariner homage. It's one of the least expensive watches in my collection, but probably my highest value time piece to date. Is it perfect, of couse not, but it has so many positives even before you get to that low price (and keeps great time). Other than their Pro Divers, the rest of their brand is mostly hedious to me. I can appreciate the hate for this particular model when I think of the higher out of pocket cost I (and others) have spent for little or no more discernable quality in a number of well regarded name brand watches. Don't think I'll get addicted to this brand or model, but it has opened my eyes to the watch industry's smoke and mirrors regarding marketing vs value/quality in a time piece. Thank you. You made my day, could not stop smiling through the whole commentary !
Hi Jeffrey - just wanted to let you know that one of your reviews in 2010 on your blog about an Invicta Reserve Watch is the reason I got hooked to Invicta's - but still going strong & loving them !!
That's totally cool. Some of those Invicta Reserve watches are nice. I miss my gunmetal Ocean Reef and Force Master 4831 and 4830. I just moved on to Seiko.
That's what makes them shit! Sekio makes and uses their in house movements! Invicta just takes someone's else's movement and stick in their oversize turds!
People forgot the main sence and reason a watch is for. Is to tell the time not to let other what kind of a man you are. Then teach your son than a man is defined by the watch he wears.
love invicta, have a few seiko too. I like my invictas better. They also aren't in every dept store ever. So I like the exclusivity. I think I prefer Citizen over seiko.
@@ilovela2647 You're entitled to your opinion but all Invictas are not dog shit. The Pro Divers and the older Grand Divers are good watches for the price point. I've had Seiko divers that cost twice as much and were not as good. The lume sucks on the Invictas but that's the only negative.
Haha it does what a dumb review had to watch it and thumbs down after watching it all but you are right @Rafael Miranda and yeah he is a very bad addict geez haha good one bro.
Rafael Miranda what a watch look like and what it feels like are very different, there is noticeable different quality in build. Invicta isn't a bad watch brand, but you get what you pay for ( their net price, not their fake msrp). I've owned one Invicta watch and while not bad, I would prefer my used seiko or new citizen at the same price point.
As a collector of anything, you will evolve. Invicta is absolutely a gateway drug, it introduces people to variety at an affordable price with lots of styles to suit many individual’s tastes. Their heyday was really 2001-2008, more models were of higher quality and more focus was spent on quality control. They got too big too fast and have suffered since. You seem to be fortunate enough to have no real issues (or chose not to mention them), and that’s a good thing. But watches are like anything else you may collect... dipping your toe in the water with affordable priced options feels safer, and you enjoy owning many different looks. Maybe it’s knives or guns or pens... people rarely begin at the top echelon, but most tend to evolve in that direction. Your $11k investment would have paid for one Panerai or Rolex. Maybe 2-3 Breitling or Omega. But as a collector, you may not have been happy at the time wearing only one style of watch every single day. Your Orient is a fantastic watch by the way, I regret selling my orange dial version ten years ago. They had a special deal for a holiday for $750ish and they immediately went back up to $1800. Whether it’s Seiko, Breitling or Invicta... buy what YOU like, for your own reasons. As long as the quality matches up to your expectation, just enjoy them. I spent a lot of years helping Invicta build their empire. I believed in the product, especially early-on. But over time I came to see through many of the BS and became less and less enamored with how they did business. I changed my “pitch” quite a bit towards the end, especially regarding their quality/CS and the onslaught of gigantic sized watches. I kept asking for more human sizes (44-46mm) because after a while, aside from maybe a Subaqua or Russian Diver, anything over 46mm was just far too large to be taken seriously.
I bought Invicta during your hey day, and I agree their models were more appealing then, and their quality did indeed seem better. I do miss my 50mm Speedmaster XL Reserve gunmetal with sapphire crystal. It was a fine timepiece.
Jeffrey McMahon They did a great job with those. A lot of time spent on development and on good quality components and good movements. If you want what I believe is the best bang for the buck in midrange sport/divers, go to jomashop (best prices I’ve seen) and grab a Breitling Avenger Seawolf. I did a review last year on my 5 Minute Watch Review channel.
I also purchased more that a few Invicta's from you Jim. I am a little bit larger than Mike D., 6'6" and 345 lbs. ( Played 3 years of college football as an offensive lineman ) and find that anything under 46 mm's looks funny on my 23 cm wrist. I don't have any of the new giant sized 58+ mm watches...largest I wear is a 47 mm Grand Diver automatic... I have two of them. I am selling most of my quartz watches...using the $$$$ to get a Seiko I have been wanting. Oh... I have found my Swiss Legend watches have sold much quicker and for a better price than my Invicta's.
I have 2 Invicta sapphire ghosts amongst the Swiss stuff but, the watch I love the most, is the cheapest one I own, my Seiko Orange Monster. Built like a tank, mechanical, water resistant. Even after all these years, I still enjoy it. Oh, and there is no shame in owning an Invicta, watch snobs can stick it. Buy what ever you want, who cares what others think.
While this video was interesting, I felt that you were mainly complaining about how you became addicted to TV Shopping. You could have stopped yourself from buying all those watches. That doesn't make it the fault of Invicta.
ThatManIam when did he ever talk shit about invicta one time in the video? He never did. He only talked about the mistakes he made from buying too many invicta watches. Which at the end of the day is bad. He could have bought an 18k yellow gold Rolex Submariner for the amount of money those shitty 55 invictas cost
I use to love Invicta, then the Apple Watch was released. I wore that, 5 years later, I'm now considering Invicta again, mainly the Pro Divers. 16739, 8928OB, 8932, etc. What I don't understand is how people in general talk down about them. No, they're not worth the retailed price, and the best place to get them is Amazon, but for $60+ you're getting pretty good quality and the movements are pretty decent. Sure it's self preference, but don't condemn someone because they like something you don't like. It's funny because, it's always the guys who wore them that speak the worst about them.
Some of Invicta's older models look good like the Offshore Russian Diver: www.ebay.com/itm/INVICTA-MENS-MODEL-4157-RUSSIAN-DIVER-OFFSHORE-CHRONOGRAPH-STAINLESS-STEEL-WATCH/123217354515?hash=item1cb0539f13%3Ag%3ARUcAAOSw92RbCyNl&_sacat=0&_nkw=invicta+offshore+russian&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=m570.l1313
Jeffrey McMahon Russian Divers were my favorite. I had multiple, now I’m more into something more “low-profile”. I have big hands most of their watches look normal on me.
My invicta 8926 looks like a Rolex and sales people respect me more when I go shopping with my Invicta on my wrist, but my seiko doesn't look at all as a Rolex and I cannot play the fake-rich game with a seiko
While having a high tier watch is fantastic for any watch lover, I don't get why its "bad" to like or purchase an Invicta watch. Or why Invicta is not good enough when a person chooses to upgrade. They are beautiful and they demand attention. They might not have the best movements or a rich history to back up a high price,but they are what they are and there is no shame in having one. I have the Ghost Bridge and despite its shortcomings, I love it. Currently falling in love with the Thunderbolt. Thomas Earnshaw has some really nice watches as well.
+Jeffrey McMahon Oh, I apologize. I was making a general statement ( about people who hate Invicta the second they change brands ) and had no intention of anything personal. What was your favourite? Have you ever had a bolt? I'm really considering investing in one, really like the 5629 however I'm considering one of the larger ones.
i started with seiko as my very first watch and then moved up to tag heuer, tissot, movado, bulova, and at one time owned an omega. they were to plain and boring. it felt like i was paying for the brand more than the actual watch itself. i saw a guy wearing a invicta subaqua noma V and asked him what kind of watch it was (not knowing at the time) the watch was beautiful! since then i now own 8 subaqua/reserve invicta watches and could never be more happier. sold my tags, tissot and movados recently.
I've heard people say similar stories. Some people love the bold, colorful Invicta styling. I was a fan once. My tasted changed to Seiko and Citizen brands.
Echo Saliba lol what a stupid ass....so you prefer flashy ghetto design, sub-par quality over tastefull timless design and price point appropriate quality......da fuck....................
Jeffrey McMahon :After watching some of your videos & reading some of your responses I think you Mcmahon have a God given insight & understanding of yourself that is meant to be used to Council others. Wisdom is neither common nor understood but I know it when I see it. You have a unique gift brother 😎
No matter what watch you buy....check the "movement ". Check the "movement only cost on E-Bay. Some quartz movements are only $5.00! Some automatics are only $35.00. Do your research. The "ETA Valjoux 7750 automatic movement alone costs $200.00! Many "watch companies" are really just making cases, & bands.
You're spot on. The learning curve on "what to buy & what not to buy" is extremely important! It's hard to swallow the big $$ I spent on too many "insignificant brands" especially when you find out they don't retain any value.
Invicta has a new watch line for those that are ready to take a step up to a solid, respectable Swiss watch. You can find them along side of Invicta's at some Costco locations for under $300.... Glycine. Have you checked them out yet? [update: I just saw you have already reviews an Airman! ]
This is so funny! Here I am 7 years later watching this video and what do I have on my wrist, an Invicta! In my defense though, I only own two. The one I'm wearing, a Titanium Pro Diver and the black bezel 1953. The only two Invicta's worth owning in my opinion.
I think the folks looking for a bigger watch should just put backpack straps on an old regulator clock and wear it on their front. I picture the guy at the top of this size contest pyramid pushing a fridge dolly with a grandfather clock on it. "Nobody's going to have a bigger timepiece than me!"
Well I have in my collection some well known swiss chronographs, I love them enjoy their movements and complications, I have some invictas too they are super fan to collect the prodivers 40mm and 45mm, have one whit titanium case the are very nice, of course you get what you paid.
Agree with most of what this guy saying. My only disagreement will be that Invicta are costume jewelry. With 15 years in the watch repair business Invicta watches (over $250) out performance most high end watches in both quality of the case, mechanism,band and even the crystal. So yes, they're great starter watches but nowhere near costume jewelry (base metals) bases
I started the other way round I bought a Rolex sub. Sold it on everyone thought it was fake😃 also sold on my omega moon watch so worried about getting mugged or damaging either watch they ended up in my cupboard until I sold them, now bought 2 invictas now I’m not worried at all 👍
Nice that you moved on. I think Invicta makes interesting watches. If you loose or break it you can replace it. With the $11,000.00 + watches you might suffer a stroke! To each their own. I will stick with invicta because they do have good products.
Invicta just released some really good models without the crazy branding all over the case, 44mm goodness. You might wanna jump back on that Invicta train.
You are so entertaining and enlightening to watch sir. I love your tone and honesty. I have 2 Invictas and was almost falling in the same trap but I think I caught myself. At least the pieces I have are decent looking and functioning. Both Automatic. One NH35A Grand Diver Submariner homage with a flat bezel and window. The other a truly unique Invicta with a 12 sided pentagon, model number 23033.
Watch is not jewelry. Watch is not a tool; even though many tools wear Rolex. Watch is an instrument. A time keeping instrument. A time measuring instrument. A chronograph went to the Moon with the man (allegedly). It was to measure time of the lunar excursions, in case the digital timers in the suits failed. Watch was a backup instrumentation. Just like aircraft cockpit is filled with instruments, the watch is a portable, wearable, instrument.
As a connoisseur of watches I do hear where you're coming from regarding Invicta. They have some really unique Styles but I've never found the quality to measure up. They are a good watch but never a great watch. I think for me and my Personal Collection I like variety. I'll always own one or two invicta's that I find unique. Overall however like yourself I'm drawn more towards a forward progression to better quality over something that's flashy
invicta has a huge (correction : gigantic) range of watches, of course some are tacky and bulging and huge and ornate to a fault (for me anyways), others are beautiful, tasteful and well built, no matter what anyone tries to tell you, so you can't generalize that wearing any invicta would be out of place for a 50 or 60 yr old. I have a couple of grand divers with miyota auto mvmts that are as precise or better than my seiko monster and i am not at all embarassed about them, at 47mm, they are ideal for my eyes. Sure, there are a lot of tribute watches (some of the "nicest" invictas in a classic sense) and some original like the subaqua reserves which are big but not unattractive. I have purchased and sold a few dozen watches last 3-4 years. Frankly i don't care about "appearances" so much that I wouldn't wear an invicta grand diver to a party. I wear it because i like the teal dial and the polished bracelet and the way it looks, despite the lack of a sapphire cyrstal that is convex for off angle viewing. And no, nobody is studying watches and making a note of brands, more likely if they like it they will comment- that's positive!, and if the discussion goes further and the commenter walks away when you finally tell him its a $200 watch (why would you be telling someone what you paid for a piece of jewelry), well so be it, that's his problem not yours. I never bought the more ornate ones that i find unattractive - those "excessive" watches are the ones that have gotten invicta a lot of heat from watch collectors (besides the constant complaints about supposed poor quality a-z and pure copying of rolex), but i'm not against bigger cases. In fact, I have problems with a lot of watches because at my age, i dont wear glasses full time but mostly for reading, so i have bought several watches that I cannot see well, where the hands blend into the background because the hands don't stand out well and have had to sell them - like a sub-aqua taylor cosc that i really liked except that i couldn't really read the time easily on it. My 2000 seamaster is almost too small at 42 mm, and the skeleton hands i cant see as well, not to mention I have spent 800 bucks on 2 cleanings and it never kept good time from day 1. Talk about disappointment. My 200 $ seiko and invicta autos keeps perfect time, not the omega though. When i got the omega, I thought I would be wearing it every day forever, but my only option now is to send it to Switzerland for service and spend another 600 bucks, but its smallish and hard to read for me so i wont do it unless I give it to my son. I too have too many watches, and have stopped buying for the most part. Invicta can cause you to buy several watches. Why is that? Because they offer for the most part tremendous value to the casual watch buyer, and they make millions of them. Some have decent movements, but don't fool yourself, a good movement is not necessarily a hand made piece with months of labor on it (or even hours). Its one that is reliable, robust and precise. Unless you are buying an exhibition movement at tens of thousands or more, you do not "live inside your movement", you own it because you can rely on it, that it will survive shocks and tell the time accurately - what does that cost - $25-50 for a good swiss made quartz movt at the manufacturing level, about the same for a seiko or miyota auto. Anything beyond that is purely psychological benefit, i.e. the way it makes you feel that you have an $8000 movement inside your watch, one that will cost you a fortune to clean and maintain incidentally, but to each his own. The mechanical magic of movements is something that can make a collector feel good and proud, etc., that has value in some cases at the high end for collectors if well maintained, but it won't get you to the train station any more on time than a cheap quartz watch of course. Invicta has plenty of diverse styles for every taste, and I have never had a single problem with mine, I don't dive, but no leaks, no seal problems, no movement problems. I have invictas and higher end watches, I am very interested in design and i like all of the watches i buy, Like with anything, there will be items that whose design won't get outdated and those are the watches you will probably wear most. As for size, I know where I stand. I won't go back to a 40 or 42mm watch.
You know age have nothing to do with wearing an oversized watch, I actually owe 8 Invicta watches all of them between 50 and 52 millimeters case, I like them I know what I’m buying, they are not an investment; at the end I guess if you enjoy the watch that’s all it matters. Don’t like it anymore, try to sale it or give it to somebody.
you want a good invicta if you can find them 4469,4470,4512 all these are good swiss made models I have had a two of these models they have sapphire crystal the 4470 has the highest grade trinite invicta offers mine is almost 10 years old and the Lume is more brighter then my tag heuer and it has a 1.23kt diamond bezel. I get complements on it all the time but this once was sold at Zales back in 09 for $1500 on sale out the door. so you do pay for what you get.
If you wanted a solid Swiss watch below Rolex price -Oris, Tudor or Omega seamaster But you can’t go wrong with a Grand Seiko, I have the SGBA001J and I love it.
My Invicta story is in 2010 I bought a Grand Lupah Bijoux from Amazon. First off, it was way bigger than I thought it would be. Like stupid big. But I'm a big guy, I could get away with it. The problem was, the butterfly clasp wouldn't stay shut. Also the day of the week hand landed between days. Amazon had none left to exchange, so I called invicta. They said the clasp was not warrantied and if I wanted the hand adjusted, I'd have to mail it to them insured (about $20) and enclose a check for $25 return shipping. I realized the watch was a piece of shit made by a company who won't really didn't stand behind it. I sent it back to Amazon and swapped it for a titanium Citizen. It was their flagship watch that year. Awesome watch, same price. I still have it. Since then, I got dozens of watches. From $20 Chinese mechanicals off Ebay to Omegas and a Tag Monaco. Even some Fossils and Russian watches. But I'll never touch another invicta. Maybe if one turns up in the thrift store for ten bucks.
I have casio, tissot, citizen, Nixon, maxum, invicta, seagull. The invicta is the most fun and draws the most comments. Don't over think the brand, just enjoy a collection.
I have 8 watches. But I really only have 2, because six of them were bought through ignorance (no Invictas but same difference), before I knew what a good watch is, before I even knew the difference between automatic and quartz. And my 2 that I count are an Orient and a Sharky, not even expensive. Soon it’ll be 4, and I’m evolving. Hamilton Khaki day date, and an Oris Auquis titanium with Jon the collection. Looks like you touched a nerve with some Invicta customers though.
Very funny and entertaining. Invicta's are tough and work well. I always have an Invicta in my pack as a back-up watch when I travel overseas. I also wear Invicta when working in the shady parts of town. Another plus when overseas, Gypsies won't try to steal them off of your wrist. Invicta's work and for the money they are great decoy watches.
I bought my after watching several youtube videos about it. My $70.00 is awesome. Will lot for yacht master, when I can get for good price. Problem with buying expensive watches is - few watch fans only want a few watches. Common collections are 15 watches. Actually real ganster wear swiss watches & wanna be pretenders wear big invivtas because real gansters have real money. Now when you grow your watch collection it will cost approx 20x more. I think your addiction was shopping channels, and blaming on watch brand is simply classic blame transferance.
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You know...people rag on Timex too much. YES they are cheap and somewhat boring looking, but MAN oh Man, do they last long. I still have the one had when I was 16, and I'm 56 now. It still works.
What’s wrong with the nh35? Nothing. It’s the same movement as in a lot of decent watches,That other manufacturers use.It’s pretty accurate,Reliable and robust for an automatic,! I’ve got a couple spinnakers that use the same movement, there’s not a little difference In case quality between my Invicta diver and my spinnaker Dumas ,They both use the same movement so what’s the difference? One was 100 and the other one was $400. It is what it is
I only own two Invictas one is Swiss Made brought recently other one is retired to a bedside clock, I only buy swiss or Vintage watches now. Great interesting channel you have.
I think I have about 15 watches and Timex, Casio, and Invicta are all fighting for the first place spot. The way I look at it is instead of paying 40k for a Rolex Submariner which MSRPs around 8k, I rather pay 69.95 for an Invicta Jubilee that MSRPs around 2k. The point is this is a much cheaper way of wearing a watch that is invisible and no one cares about. That's right people! Unless you're around watch collectors, no one cares about that stainless steel watch that you paid as much for as a new car! There is not one piece in my collection that doesn't make me happy, also there isnt one piece in my collection that makes me feel fiscally irresponsible or just downright moronic.
Watched your video it’s pretty good. I actually bought me an Invicta Sea hunter 3. And I have seen videos where people have collected those watches all over the country 30 40 50 60 of them. Myself I’m not gonna buy any more Invictas. I only bought this one because I think it’s so cool the size of it. And I figure if people wanna collect a lot of them I say go for it. It’s really no different than someone who collects a lot of automobiles. Or motorcycles. Or a lot of old books. Personal preference. But I do respect that you decided to get off that collection addiction. I personally wouldn’t call them costume jewelry. They are very good watches and then grab a lot of attention. I think that’s probably why people get caught up into the addiction of collecting them.
Great video! Good laughs, yet also truthful. I have some Invictas, and I love wearing them. They've been great watches. But I'm very selective about what I buy. There are other brands out there are great and fun to explore.
I can totally relate. ShopNBC and Invicta got me hooked on watches back in 2006. Had tons of them. Not as many as you, but probably had 30 at one time. Sold them all at massive losses or gave them them away. I now have a 5 watch collection consisting of a Tudor Black Bay, Rolex No Date Sub, Hamilton X-Wind, Vostok Amphibia, and a G-Shock, and I am a much happier man.
You know you want some more Invictas, go ahead, admit it! LOL. I'm 46 and I have 4 Invicta Russian Divers now, 2 are camo style, 1 has GMT. I'm a big guy with 8 inch wrists. I think the size is great for me, and there aren't too many other watches that are large as many "watch people" seem to be little guys with 6.5 inch wrists that you can snap in half by looking at them hard. Also, now my eyes suck and my grail for a long time was the IWC big pilot, only because I can read it easily and there's no extra crap in the background like on G shocks which has all kinds of little digital windows that do who knows what because I can't see them anyway. These Invictas have large, easy to read dials. Love em. And, they're not expensive so they are great as a daily casual watch/beater watch, and still some are Swiss made and have Swiss Ronda movements. What's wrong with that?
Invicta Pro-Diver 40mm w/Seiko auto mvmt is hand downs a winner, the only one I like. You might like the Breitling Super Ocean Heritage 44mm (Black Dial). So what did you do with all of those yellow boxes?
Pro diver with a Swiss movement best $200 a first time watch buyer can do at least in my opinion excellent quality soon as bracelets wears a little get a good stainless bracelet and you have a fine watch.
+Jeffrey McMahon I'm still in my young and flashy phase. but I can see why a man in his 50s would opt for a Seiko or something else that's a little more elegant and understated.
Every guy that used to collect Invicta held onto ONE of them ,come on McMahon admit it witch ONE could you not part with? I have a 8926ob that I modded myself It's a great watch
I bought a couple of Invictas back around 2006, an 8926 (Sub) and a 2770 (Mil Chrono) and I know the shame of which you speak. They were a nice stepping stone in watch education but certainly not something I'd keep or be able to pass on to my kids.
thank you for not trashing other Invicta collectors I personally have quite a lot of invicta's with four seiko's being prospex tuna automatic, recraft automatic, orange monster automatic, and the Holy grail of my seiko collection is my Ananta automatic (not the brightz) but I'm a littlec confused is the only reason you stopped collecting Invicta because of an image thing or what exactly.
I bought an Invicta back in 2016. Told myself if I was still wearing it one year later I could buy another. Here it is 2019 and my Invicta is still in it's Yellow Divers case in my closet. My new time device? My cell phone!
Yep,they are all show and no go. Nice on the exterior and garbage on the interior. Surprisingly though you can actually buy a few with the valjoux 7750 movement in them,which shows they are capable of producing something worth buying.
So what's the reason why he stop buying Invicta watches?? It wasn't because of faulty workmanship or a horrible customer service Hmmm is this because the watch gave you a false "Status feeling"? I know these watches are not Hublot, Rolex, or Breitling watches but I think they still are decent watches to have maybe not owning 55 of them (that's just self control).
I got my first really nice watch in 2011 when I was 21. It was a Seiko Coutura. I still wear it. But today I bought two new watches. A timex expedition to wear when I do something outdoors like shoot guns, hunt/fish, things like that. And a Bulova precisionist 96b131. When I was looking at the Seikos in the case I was getting tempted to get another one too because they look very nice! Nice looking watches are hard to resist! Lol
+Jeffrey McMahon yeah hahaha! I'm the kind of guy who has to really like a watch to drop a few hundred dollars on it. Before I got that Seiko I wore Fossil watches. When I was a teenager Fossils were the watch to wear lol!
Its all about personal preference and what motivate us in buying Invicta watches. I'm not a type of person who get hook up on fancy watches. I'm happy on watches I bought in Walmart for $10 dollars. But for years I have watches $50K Rolex, Movado, and some Swiss made which including Japanese Seiko. Even though there clock everywhere you turn like car radios and smart phone, I have no real need nor obsession to buy expensive watches. I have bought 8 Invicta watches and to me it is just a functional reliable tool and nothing more. It may not be as too many compared to what you've collected but I'm very happy with my Invicta watches and I'm glad that you realized that there are many good or perhaps excellent mens watch out there in the market. As far as the Invicta sales pitch., well that is typical for any salesperson want to make a sales goal and I don't fault them for exaggeration. But the fact is that Invicta watches are good watch. We work hard for the money we spend and its right that you deserve what is best for you. I hope you do make videos that what kind of watches that worth buying. Like what you said earlier that ignorant can cost you lots of money. God speed...
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Invicta pro diver automatic has been one of my most reliable watches. It's from 2011 so 9 years old and still running strong.
I wear my pro diver auto to work every day for 8 years. still works well. It's been dropped probably 80 times because I take it off and set it on the arm of my recliner and then knock it off but it still works great. It now loses about 1-2 minutes a day but I think it's because of being dropped. I even had a dog bite my arm and it dented the bezel slightly and broke the bracelet. New silicone band and it was ready to roll! The pro diver auto uses the Seiko movement and is very reliable.
Notice that his switch was nothing negative about Invicta quality, it was just him sucoming to peer pressure and being scared of his future. Regardless to what you are doing or wearing/own, it's you inside that determines who you are, not some mamas boy slob that you have something in common with. Know who you are be comfortable with what you personally like.
Judging on your grammar , you are an Invicta fan.
He insulted the fuck out of Invicta by calling it costume jewelry. Watches don't get you noticed or make your dick work better. No woman in history has ever asked a man driving a Corvette "where is your watch"? They don't give a shit. Maybe this guy is trying to impress other men?
@@butch.dieselsteak Typical BIT-h move, to go with the 'grammar' angle, because there's no facts to dispute with.. A MAN would debate with logic and documented evidence. Grammar does not change the message. Judging by your pea brain which commented on grammar when it was a misspelled word. and probably 2 commas, as if that makes a difference, it shows exactly what you are about..NOTHING..
@@drjd2real Probably, because those fake men cry, whine, and go on about nothing. Let's see the many women he pulled since he 'left' Invicta .
That is because he has nothing to say that contains FACTS and logic, yet i addressed it anyway.
In other words, he bought Invictas, enjoyed Invictas, then he visited a watch forum where everyone bags on Invictas, and gained an inferiority complex. Sound about right Champ?
I have an invicta pro diver. The people on watch forums are giving me an inferiority complex. I'm starting to hate watches.
@@TomTom-sm7il Don't worry man. Wear what you like. People with Pateks can bag on people wearing Omegas. It's about what you like, not what others think
@@mgolabek89 imo, it's creepy when people judge others for what they choose to wear. I almost don't want to wear a watch only because I don't want them looking at me. Even if they like my watch, I don't want to interact with them.
Fortunately most people are normal in that regard.
@@TomTom-sm7il I understand you. Unfortunately it is what it is. People judge other people on variaty of things. Maybe just don't take your Invicta to a business meetings with your future business partners, if you run your own company. Otherwise rock it whenever you like!
😂😅 Dale Press, yep, exactly 😂
It only becomes a problem when you care WAY too much about what other people think. It’s very "high school." I own several Invicta Pro Divers because they look good to me. I get a certain amount of joy tinkering with them, setting the time to the second each day, and don’t really give a shit about what you or anyone else has to say about Invicta. I like them because they are good quality, affordable., and make me feel happy. I once dreamed of owning a Rolex Submariner so I could be cool, like James Bond. But, the price for that foolish desire makes me, more or less, throw up in my mouth a bit. If someone wants to spend upwards of $8000 for a fucking watch… go for it. You can now impress your boss, friends, and countless others. Be happy.
Pro diver, is only 40mm. And has a Seiko nh35, w/ handwinding & hacking, ss, & wr 200.. For $70.00.
Vince White : I have the 42mm pro diver with automatic nh35 movement. Good watch value
Once the Yuck of Invicta gets on you , you no longer want anything to do with the brand. Even the so called "descent" ones.
@@Nightmareman3 then do not get it..duh...Tell another man his watch is YUCK to his face, then you're on your way to heaven...
@@michaels5166 Since you said that , I'd absolutely say yuck to your face. And there wouldn't be a damn thing you could do about it.
To me invicta isn't bad. Yes their big but depending on the situation you can wear one. I have a lot of invictas but I'm done buying them. I'm not selling them tho. And no I'm not a idiot. I have also a audimars piguet royal oak offshore, a seiko skx, rolex Daytona, carrera tag heuer, Porsche design gt3 cup car edition, and a omega sea master. But I also have 28 invictas and I'm not ashamed of them
Hello Jeffrey! I have owned 3 invicta watches, and all of them was grade A quality. I know it doesnt cost a lot of money to buy, but when you are comparing the quality with other high end brands that does not have a solid gold case + bracelet, it is allmost better at invicta. I have worn the pro diver series for 6 years now, and even though it gets scratches here and there, there is NO form of gold scratching off or anything like that. it is a everyday watch, and i would never expect that a gold toned watch thats not solid would look so nice after 6 years.
I hear you. I'm no Invicta hater. I was just chronicling a past part of my watch obsession. Invicta always has some models out there that I like. So does Aragon, especially the Aragon Parma series.
To my way of thinking... watches that you wear get scratched, dented, scuffed, and you have to get a new one. Invictas are so inepensive that you can do that. In style. Thanks.
All watches copy each other. Dude they are sales people. I don't get people that hate on a company on their sales methods. Buy what you want.
He sounds like an addict moving from narcotic pills to heroin
@Rafeal Miranda Haha @Matt Tucker Yeah and he is telling me about punctuation? On You Tube I don't give a shit. I said the same like he is talking about a drug addiction!? Funny shit and horrible channel. Also a "gangster" to him wears Invicta etc. That was a great laugh.
Tienes toda la razón
LMAO!
You forgot meth lol
From Invictas to Seikos .
I think you’re over thinking this mate...I think the bigger issue is that you’re judging your self image by the watch that you wear
This story never gets old 😂! Now Invicta is referred by McMahon as a store watch brand or the brand that shall remain nameless. You’ve come far McMahon 😎.
Sorry to say but someone who buys 55 watches from a brand, and then one day realizes that they are all terrible, is someone who has a certain compulsive disorder.
I stand guilty as charged.
kaunas888 ::Dont be sorry you can tell Mcmahon enjoys his watch obsession 😎
I never understood why somebody would buy so many cheap watches.
IPO Same reasons people buy cheap clothes.
From my perspective it looks like the same WIS that obsess over luxury watches aren’t wearing custom suits and made to measure shirts and don’t see the value in wearing good quality clothes and will buy the cheapest, dirt worst wardrobe.
well invicta is addictive cuz its cheap but the quality is amazing for the money. even the non pro diver big ugly watches they make have such a good build quality (although i'd never buy one of those)
I personally like Invicta especially their Grand Diver, Superior build quality with an automatic NH35A Seiko movement
Sorry to say this but listening to what you described and how you described it I think you and many others should seek professional counseling. Go talk to a psychologist, they actually work...however if you don't your gonna continue to spend money on things you don't need and will constantly try and fill a void that will never end. Try and cut yourself down to just seven watches in your current collection, next make a list of essential items, useful items and non essentials...try it
well said Travis, I thought about this after I expressed and sent my first comment to this dude that had bought 55 invicta, seek some medical help, there is something wrong in here. You got to face the root cause of the problem. He stated that he switch from invictas to seikos, so I guess he is on his way to buy 54 more seikos, lol.
ponce1968 : No I think hes got this thing figured out. I can tell he understands a steady dose of 10 Seiko divers can maintain any 50pc invicta addiction. Keeping a low dose of seiko divers allows any invicta addict to live a functional productive life . Think of it like methadone 😎
Well said bro..!!
I've got 13 Invictas...no problems at all. ... lots of conversations started from them and just as many compliments. I've gotten tremendous deals on them by being patient and selective. I love the styling and different strokes for different folks.
There are some good Invictas out there.
The styling of Invicta is unique. The oversized watch is their trend. Hell i think they invented it. Im in love with their high end models. Subaqua, bolt and excursion. Really lovely watches for the price.
+Rabih Saad well said and me as well!
@@RabihSaadguitars well said..I am sure no grown man had the balls to tell you otherwise to your face,which is why I clown these fake haters...
LOSER!!
Man I have the same problem! But instead of invicta or seiko. Mine is amphibia.
Buddy here should have his own sitcom
I bought my very first Invicta in 2000. It is an Invicta Gold Tone Ghost Diver II. It is still working and is in excellent condition in 2017. Go figure...
I miss my Invicta Speedway XL Reserve in gunmetal with sapphire crystal.
I'm doing fine without it. Though I might have kept one, the Speedway XL in gunmetal for memories' sake.
Thank YOU!
Loser!
you can't go wrong with the deep blue automatic in conjunction with the tritium tubes I promise you'll be very happy with them
Interesting! I own lots of watches, lots of brands, 32 mechanical Invictas. A Subaqua Noma IV 6529 automatic was my first "real" watch featuring a Swiss movement. Before that, I only had cheap quartz beaters. So, while browsing Fora, I learned what components make a good timepiece. I really wanted a Swiss mechanical movement in a cool looking Diver and it had to be brand new. 5-6 years ago, at age 23 I believe, I only had 300 dollars to spend and really nothing came close to the Subaqua, design-wise, in that price range. When I got it, I was blown away by the quality. Most massive watch I had handled to that day. It really made me the watch addict that I am today. I bought 10 or so mechanical Invictas after and then tried other brands. Most of the time I was disappointed by the quality the other brands had to offer in the price range up to 300$, compared to the Invictas I already had. Cases, bands, dials and most mechanical movements are decent with Invicta. Flame Fusion seems okay for me, hard to scratch, though not impossible. I can live with that. Lume could be greater, true. If they had better lume, they'd be the best watch for under 500 dollars imho. But for lume, I have my Frankenmonster. Basically, Invicta offers the best watches for your money. It's sad that they chose to market their watches the way they do, that there is no respect for the brand. Therefore I totally understand why someone prefers to collect Seiko or Orient instead. But I truly believe that you get better value with Invicta. My Subaquas cost me just as much as my Monsters. Only thing that is superior on the Seikos is lume. The Subaquas win in case construction, band quality, movement (sellita or eta), overall detail and finishing. I also own higher priced watches up to 5000$, but enjoy my Invictas the most. Subaqua 3-5 mechanicals and the coalition forces 0963 are my favorite designs. Beasts of watches. They even make my Breitling SOH 46 Chrono look like a toy ;)) You need big wrists to truly enjoy Invictas. So, owning close to 100 modern mechanical watches of all kind of brands, I still go back to Invicta whenever I find a mechanical piece that I like. My favorite brand, period. I could be a snob, too. The brand itself is pretty laughable, but their mechanical watches are good quality and I won't lie about it. 5-6 years in and I never had an Invicta fail on me. Luxury brands I had the most negative experiences with! Every brand can sell a dud to you.. It just happens. Be an educated customer and buy what you like. Greetings to my fellow watch nuts :)
I have an Invicta Pro Diver. It's a good Sub homage watch. Most of the other Invictas I've seen are not to my taste, though. Most of the other Invictas I've seen are oversized and kind of flashy.
Brian Hartman : thats a kind way to say butt ugly & cumbersome!!
It's called progression Jeff; and self-realisation. It takes a brave man to publicly 'out' himself over his real, or imagined, weaknesses. Respect.
I have two Invictas in my 77 watch collection. My first watch ever, 14 months ago, a blue dial mechanical Submariner homage is joined by a rose gold, quartz Hydromax which doubles as a door stopper! Therefore I am qualified to relate. You are not alone.
You're a sucker with no self esteem
I did the opposite. I went from Rolex to Invicta . For me I got tired of having to adjust my Rolex every few weeks and so the technically superior quartz movements in the Invictas that did it for me. I'm very happy now with Invictas because I don't have to ever worry and check the time or even having to adjust the time. I still have Rolex watches but they are in the winder boxes and haven't been worn for nearly two years now
I'm not shure leaving them in the winder is a good 💡 idea.
55 is a lot of watches..wow.
Just stumbled on your review. I'm now retired and a modest watch collector (Chinese, Japanese, and Swiss). After many, many watch reviews and some watch education..., ironically, I just purchased my first Invicta, the Pro Diver, automatic, submariner homage. It's one of the least expensive watches in my collection, but probably my highest value time piece to date. Is it perfect, of couse not, but it has so many positives even before you get to that low price (and keeps great time). Other than their Pro Divers, the rest of their brand is mostly hedious to me. I can appreciate the hate for this particular model when I think of the higher out of pocket cost I (and others) have spent for little or no more discernable quality in a number of well regarded name brand watches. Don't think I'll get addicted to this brand or model, but it has opened my eyes to the watch industry's smoke and mirrors regarding marketing vs value/quality in a time piece. Thank you. You made my day, could not stop smiling through the whole commentary !
Hi Jeffrey - just wanted to let you know that one of your reviews in 2010 on your blog about an Invicta Reserve Watch is the reason I got hooked to Invicta's - but still going strong & loving them !!
That's totally cool. Some of those Invicta Reserve watches are nice. I miss my gunmetal Ocean Reef and Force Master 4831 and 4830. I just moved on to Seiko.
He’s hating Invicata watches and praising Seiko but so many models look very similar and Invicta uses Seiko movements in their watches.
That's what makes them shit! Sekio makes and uses their in house movements! Invicta just takes someone's else's movement and stick in their oversize turds!
People forgot the main sence and reason a watch is for.
Is to tell the time not to let other what kind of a man you are. Then teach your son than a man is defined by the watch he wears.
Congrats on being clean!
Not sure which models you bought, but Invicta models (the normal ones) are the best bang for the buck. It's astonishing what they can offer
love invicta, have a few seiko too. I like my invictas better. They also aren't in every dept store ever. So I like the exclusivity. I think I prefer Citizen over seiko.
Matt Wessel
Exclusive? They are on Home Shopping Network! Complete dog shit. Fuck me dead and step up your game
@@ilovela2647 You're entitled to your opinion but all Invictas are not dog shit. The Pro Divers and the older Grand Divers are good watches for the price point. I've had Seiko divers that cost twice as much and were not as good. The lume sucks on the Invictas but that's the only negative.
Funny, the watch he wears looks like an Invicta I have
Haha it does what a dumb review had to watch it and thumbs down after watching it all but you are right @Rafael Miranda and yeah he is a very bad addict geez haha good one bro.
Rafael Miranda That's because Invicta copies every style, "homage", if you will.
Rafael Miranda what a watch look like and what it feels like are very different, there is noticeable different quality in build. Invicta isn't a bad watch brand, but you get what you pay for ( their net price, not their fake msrp). I've owned one Invicta watch and while not bad, I would prefer my used seiko or new citizen at the same price point.
dotMars , BS.... Invicta Copies Nobody ! He owns More Watch Patents, than anyother Watch Brand in the World !!
Dave hozer that's interesting because invicta pro divers look almost exactly the submariner and. The sea master.....hmmmm?........
Beside the compulsive behavior there could a mix of other symptoms. Which at this time is very difficult to figure it out.
As a collector of anything, you will evolve. Invicta is absolutely a gateway drug, it introduces people to variety at an affordable price with lots of styles to suit many individual’s tastes. Their heyday was really 2001-2008, more models were of higher quality and more focus was spent on quality control. They got too big too fast and have suffered since. You seem to be fortunate enough to have no real issues (or chose not to mention them), and that’s a good thing. But watches are like anything else you may collect... dipping your toe in the water with affordable priced options feels safer, and you enjoy owning many different looks. Maybe it’s knives or guns or pens... people rarely begin at the top echelon, but most tend to evolve in that direction.
Your $11k investment would have paid for one Panerai or Rolex. Maybe 2-3 Breitling or Omega. But as a collector, you may not have been happy at the time wearing only one style of watch every single day. Your Orient is a fantastic watch by the way, I regret selling my orange dial version ten years ago. They had a special deal for a holiday for $750ish and they immediately went back up to $1800.
Whether it’s Seiko, Breitling or Invicta... buy what YOU like, for your own reasons. As long as the quality matches up to your expectation, just enjoy them.
I spent a lot of years helping Invicta build their empire. I believed in the product, especially early-on. But over time I came to see through many of the BS and became less and less enamored with how they did business. I changed my “pitch” quite a bit towards the end, especially regarding their quality/CS and the onslaught of gigantic sized watches. I kept asking for more human sizes (44-46mm) because after a while, aside from maybe a Subaqua or Russian Diver, anything over 46mm was just far too large to be taken seriously.
I bought Invicta during your hey day, and I agree their models were more appealing then, and their quality did indeed seem better. I do miss my 50mm Speedmaster XL Reserve gunmetal with sapphire crystal. It was a fine timepiece.
Jeffrey McMahon They did a great job with those. A lot of time spent on development and on good quality components and good movements. If you want what I believe is the best bang for the buck in midrange sport/divers, go to jomashop (best prices I’ve seen) and grab a Breitling Avenger Seawolf. I did a review last year on my 5 Minute Watch Review channel.
Thank you. I will check out that channel and subscribe.
Rolex is ass
I also purchased more that a few Invicta's from you Jim. I am a little bit larger than Mike D., 6'6" and 345 lbs. ( Played 3 years of college football as an offensive lineman ) and find that anything under 46 mm's looks funny on my 23 cm wrist. I don't have any of the new giant sized 58+ mm watches...largest I wear is a 47 mm Grand Diver automatic... I have two of them. I am selling most of my quartz watches...using the $$$$ to get a Seiko I have been wanting. Oh... I have found my Swiss Legend watches have sold much quicker and for a better price than my Invicta's.
55 lnvictas? l have a confession too. l'm the weird guy that wishes l had 55 Vostoks.
Vostok is shit watch.Have 4,,,and 2 are not working.Bought from Meranom.Never ever again
@@Lobzik67 well, then they are fake and made out of normal steel, real ones are not vournanle to damage, as they are made out of stalinium
@@mr.milkstash9333 Meranom sales only original watches.
every watch that get you to be a watch enthusias is a good watch
I have 2 Invicta sapphire ghosts amongst the Swiss stuff but, the watch I love the most, is the cheapest one I own, my Seiko Orange Monster. Built like a tank, mechanical, water resistant. Even after all these years, I still enjoy it.
Oh, and there is no shame in owning an Invicta, watch snobs can stick it. Buy what ever you want, who cares what others think.
I hear you. I actually miss the Invicta 4831, and wouldn't be surprised if I picked one up again some day.
While this video was interesting, I felt that you were mainly complaining about how you became addicted to TV Shopping. You could have stopped yourself from buying all those watches. That doesn't make it the fault of Invicta.
ThatManIam when did he ever talk shit about invicta one time in the video? He never did. He only talked about the mistakes he made from buying too many invicta watches. Which at the end of the day is bad. He could have bought an 18k yellow gold Rolex Submariner for the amount of money those shitty 55 invictas cost
Costume jewelry! Yes!!! Most people who "collect" anything have major OCD issues.
I use to love Invicta, then the Apple Watch was released. I wore that, 5 years later, I'm now considering Invicta again, mainly the Pro Divers. 16739, 8928OB, 8932, etc. What I don't understand is how people in general talk down about them. No, they're not worth the retailed price, and the best place to get them is Amazon, but for $60+ you're getting pretty good quality and the movements are pretty decent. Sure it's self preference, but don't condemn someone because they like something you don't like. It's funny because, it's always the guys who wore them that speak the worst about them.
Some of Invicta's older models look good like the Offshore Russian Diver: www.ebay.com/itm/INVICTA-MENS-MODEL-4157-RUSSIAN-DIVER-OFFSHORE-CHRONOGRAPH-STAINLESS-STEEL-WATCH/123217354515?hash=item1cb0539f13%3Ag%3ARUcAAOSw92RbCyNl&_sacat=0&_nkw=invicta+offshore+russian&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=m570.l1313
Jeffrey McMahon Russian Divers were my favorite. I had multiple, now I’m more into something more “low-profile”. I have big hands most of their watches look normal on me.
Low profile may send you to Citizen or Seiko.
I’ll be sure to check it out, thank you.
Bless you child. Seiko forgives your weakness.
I suppose this presentation was a sort of confessional.
My invicta 8926 looks like a Rolex and sales people respect me more when I go shopping with my Invicta on my wrist, but my seiko doesn't look at all as a Rolex and I cannot play the fake-rich game with a seiko
While having a high tier watch is fantastic for any watch lover, I don't get why its "bad" to like or purchase an Invicta watch. Or why Invicta is not good enough when a person chooses to upgrade. They are beautiful and they demand attention. They might not have the best movements or a rich history to back up a high price,but they are what they are and there is no shame in having one. I have the Ghost Bridge and despite its shortcomings, I love it. Currently falling in love with the Thunderbolt. Thomas Earnshaw has some really nice watches as well.
I don't think Invicta is bad at all. What's bad is I got addicted and accumulated too many. I actually may buy an old favorite Invicta soon.
+Jeffrey McMahon Oh, I apologize. I was making a general statement ( about people who hate Invicta the second they change brands ) and had no intention of anything personal. What was your favourite? Have you ever had a bolt? I'm really considering investing in one, really like the 5629 however I'm considering one of the larger ones.
My favorites are the Force Master 4831 and 4830, but I wouldn't spend more than $100 on either of them.
Just checked them out, I really like the 4831. Wont pay that much though.
Sometimes they sell used in mint condition for about $80. I miss that one a lot.
If you keep your watch collection at 10, you'll be able to wear and appreciate them all regularly.
I have 10...and Im going crazy
i started with seiko as my very first watch and then moved up to tag heuer, tissot, movado, bulova, and at one time owned an omega. they were to plain and boring. it felt like i was paying for the brand more than the actual watch itself. i saw a guy wearing a invicta subaqua noma V and asked him what kind of watch it was (not knowing at the time) the watch was beautiful! since then i now own 8 subaqua/reserve invicta watches and could never be more happier. sold my tags, tissot and movados recently.
I've heard people say similar stories. Some people love the bold, colorful Invicta styling. I was a fan once. My tasted changed to Seiko and Citizen brands.
Echo Saliba lol what a stupid ass....so you prefer flashy ghetto design, sub-par quality over tastefull timless design and price point appropriate quality......da fuck....................
Buy what you want but be an adult enough to control yourself and know when to stop.. Different strokes for different folks. Respect and don't judge.
I agree. Some of us, however, are addicts. Moderation and control are difficult in the presence of addictive behavior.
Jeffrey McMahon :After watching some of your videos & reading some of your responses I think you Mcmahon have a God given insight & understanding of yourself that is meant to be used to Council others. Wisdom is neither common nor understood but I know it when I see it. You have a unique gift brother 😎
No matter what watch you buy....check the "movement ". Check the "movement only cost on E-Bay. Some quartz movements are only $5.00! Some automatics are only $35.00. Do your research. The "ETA Valjoux 7750 automatic movement alone costs $200.00! Many "watch companies" are really just making cases, & bands.
You're spot on. The learning curve on "what to buy & what not to buy" is extremely important! It's hard to swallow the big $$ I spent on too many "insignificant brands" especially when you find out they don't retain any value.
Invicta has a new watch line for those that are ready to take a step up to a solid, respectable Swiss watch. You can find them along side of Invicta's at some Costco locations for under $300.... Glycine. Have you checked them out yet? [update: I just saw you have already reviews an Airman! ]
"It's like eating Captain Crunch" - haven't stopped laughing yet. So great!
This is so funny! Here I am 7 years later watching this video and what do I have on my wrist, an Invicta! In my defense though, I only own two. The one I'm wearing, a Titanium Pro Diver and the black bezel 1953. The only two Invicta's worth owning in my opinion.
I think the folks looking for a bigger watch should just put backpack straps on an old regulator clock and wear it on their front. I picture the guy at the top of this size contest pyramid pushing a fridge dolly with a grandfather clock on it. "Nobody's going to have a bigger timepiece than me!"
David W flavor flav already won
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Well I have in my collection some well known swiss chronographs, I love them enjoy their movements and complications, I have some invictas too they are super fan to collect the prodivers 40mm and 45mm, have one whit titanium case the are very nice, of course you get what you paid.
Agree with most of what this guy saying. My only disagreement will be that Invicta are costume jewelry. With 15 years in the watch repair business Invicta watches (over $250) out performance most high end watches in both quality of the case, mechanism,band and even the crystal. So yes, they're great starter watches but nowhere near costume jewelry (base metals) bases
I started the other way round I bought a Rolex sub. Sold it on everyone thought it was fake😃 also sold on my omega moon watch so worried about getting mugged or damaging either watch they ended up in my cupboard until I sold them, now bought 2 invictas now I’m not worried at all 👍
Nice that you moved on. I think Invicta makes interesting watches. If you loose or break it you can replace it. With the $11,000.00 + watches you might suffer a stroke! To each their own. I will stick with invicta because they do have good products.
Invicta just released some really good models without the crazy branding all over the case, 44mm goodness. You might wanna jump back on that Invicta train.
You are so entertaining and enlightening to watch sir. I love your tone and honesty. I have 2 Invictas and was almost falling in the same trap but I think I caught myself. At least the pieces I have are decent looking and functioning. Both Automatic. One NH35A Grand Diver Submariner homage with a flat bezel and window. The other a truly unique Invicta with a 12 sided pentagon, model number 23033.
Watch is not jewelry. Watch is not a tool; even though many tools wear Rolex. Watch is an instrument. A time keeping instrument. A time measuring instrument. A chronograph went to the Moon with the man (allegedly). It was to measure time of the lunar excursions, in case the digital timers in the suits failed. Watch was a backup instrumentation. Just like aircraft cockpit is filled with instruments, the watch is a portable, wearable, instrument.
As a connoisseur of watches I do hear where you're coming from regarding Invicta. They have some really unique Styles but I've never found the quality to measure up. They are a good watch but never a great watch. I think for me and my Personal Collection I like variety. I'll always own one or two invicta's that I find unique. Overall however like yourself I'm drawn more towards a forward progression to better quality over something that's flashy
Timothy Shelsea : touche
Yeah 55 invictas id say you had the bug son!! I just bought my first invicta pro diver but I want to buy one of the grand divers
invicta has a huge (correction : gigantic) range of watches, of course some are tacky and bulging and huge and ornate to a fault (for me anyways), others are beautiful, tasteful and well built, no matter what anyone tries to tell you, so you can't generalize that wearing any invicta would be out of place for a 50 or 60 yr old. I have a couple of grand divers with miyota auto mvmts that are as precise or better than my seiko monster and i am not at all embarassed about them, at 47mm, they are ideal for my eyes. Sure, there are a lot of tribute watches (some of the "nicest" invictas in a classic sense) and some original like the subaqua reserves which are big but not unattractive. I have purchased and sold a few dozen watches last 3-4 years. Frankly i don't care about "appearances" so much that I wouldn't wear an invicta grand diver to a party. I wear it because i like the teal dial and the polished bracelet and the way it looks, despite the lack of a sapphire cyrstal that is convex for off angle viewing. And no, nobody is studying watches and making a note of brands, more likely if they like it they will comment- that's positive!, and if the discussion goes further and the commenter walks away when you finally tell him its a $200 watch (why would you be telling someone what you paid for a piece of jewelry), well so be it, that's his problem not yours.
I never bought the more ornate ones that i find unattractive - those "excessive" watches are the ones that have gotten invicta a lot of heat from watch collectors (besides the constant complaints about supposed poor quality a-z and pure copying of rolex), but i'm not against bigger cases. In fact, I have problems with a lot of watches because at my age, i dont wear glasses full time but mostly for reading, so i have bought several watches that I cannot see well, where the hands blend into the background because the hands don't stand out well and have had to sell them - like a sub-aqua taylor cosc that i really liked except that i couldn't really read the time easily on it. My 2000 seamaster is almost too small at 42 mm, and the skeleton hands i cant see as well, not to mention I have spent 800 bucks on 2 cleanings and it never kept good time from day 1. Talk about disappointment. My 200 $ seiko and invicta autos keeps perfect time, not the omega though. When i got the omega, I thought I would be wearing it every day forever, but my only option now is to send it to Switzerland for service and spend another 600 bucks, but its smallish and hard to read for me so i wont do it unless I give it to my son.
I too have too many watches, and have stopped buying for the most part. Invicta can cause you to buy several watches. Why is that? Because they offer for the most part tremendous value to the casual watch buyer, and they make millions of them. Some have decent movements, but don't fool yourself, a good movement is not necessarily a hand made piece with months of labor on it (or even hours). Its one that is reliable, robust and precise. Unless you are buying an exhibition movement at tens of thousands or more, you do not "live inside your movement", you own it because you can rely on it, that it will survive shocks and tell the time accurately - what does that cost - $25-50 for a good swiss made quartz movt at the manufacturing level, about the same for a seiko or miyota auto. Anything beyond that is purely psychological benefit, i.e. the way it makes you feel that you have an $8000 movement inside your watch, one that will cost you a fortune to clean and maintain incidentally, but to each his own. The mechanical magic of movements is something that can make a collector feel good and proud, etc., that has value in some cases at the high end for collectors if well maintained, but it won't get you to the train station any more on time than a cheap quartz watch of course. Invicta has plenty of diverse styles for every taste, and I have never had a single problem with mine, I don't dive, but no leaks, no seal problems, no movement problems. I have invictas and higher end watches, I am very interested in design and i like all of the watches i buy, Like with anything, there will be items that whose design won't get outdated and those are the watches you will probably wear most. As for size, I know where I stand. I won't go back to a 40 or 42mm watch.
You know age have nothing to do with wearing an oversized watch, I actually owe 8 Invicta watches all of them between 50 and 52 millimeters case, I like them I know what I’m buying, they are not an investment; at the end I guess if you enjoy the watch that’s all it matters. Don’t like it anymore, try to sale it or give it to somebody.
you want a good invicta if you can find them 4469,4470,4512 all these are good swiss made models I have had a two of these models they have sapphire crystal the 4470 has the highest grade trinite invicta offers mine is almost 10 years old and the Lume is more brighter then my tag heuer and it has a 1.23kt diamond bezel. I get complements on it all the time but this once was sold at Zales back in 09 for $1500 on sale out the door. so you do pay for what you get.
If you wanted a solid Swiss watch below Rolex price -Oris, Tudor or Omega seamaster
But you can’t go wrong with a Grand Seiko, I have the SGBA001J and I love it.
My Invicta story is in 2010 I bought a Grand Lupah Bijoux from Amazon. First off, it was way bigger than I thought it would be. Like stupid big. But I'm a big guy, I could get away with it. The problem was, the butterfly clasp wouldn't stay shut. Also the day of the week hand landed between days. Amazon had none left to exchange, so I called invicta. They said the clasp was not warrantied and if I wanted the hand adjusted, I'd have to mail it to them insured (about $20) and enclose a check for $25 return shipping. I realized the watch was a piece of shit made by a company who won't really didn't stand behind it. I sent it back to Amazon and swapped it for a titanium Citizen. It was their flagship watch that year. Awesome watch, same price. I still have it. Since then, I got dozens of watches. From $20 Chinese mechanicals off Ebay to Omegas and a Tag Monaco. Even some Fossils and Russian watches. But I'll never touch another invicta. Maybe if one turns up in the thrift store for ten bucks.
I have casio, tissot, citizen, Nixon, maxum, invicta, seagull.
The invicta is the most fun and draws the most comments. Don't over think the brand, just enjoy a collection.
I have just three watches! One passed on to me from my father as he passes a AP 1982 Royal Oak a Sekio Tuna and a Seiko Sumo.
I have 8 watches. But I really only have 2, because six of them were bought through ignorance (no Invictas but same difference), before I knew what a good watch is, before I even knew the difference between automatic and quartz. And my 2 that I count are an Orient and a Sharky, not even expensive.
Soon it’ll be 4, and I’m evolving. Hamilton Khaki day date, and an Oris Auquis titanium with Jon the collection.
Looks like you touched a nerve with some Invicta customers though.
I have four Invicta's, three from a pawn shop and one my Daughter brought for my birthday. Then I discovered Danial Steiger.
I was an Invicta freak as well. I sold them all on ebay! I still watch evine live sometime.I am a Seiko/Omega head now.
G-shock watches may not be as flashy but are 100% more reliable..
True that, G-Shocks are great for the price and what they're built for. They aren't a Patek Phillipe but they could definitely take a beating.
My first real watch was a GShock All red and yea i caught the bug. Now have a few G Shocks , 4 Invictas and 2 Fossil watches. Im hooked
Very funny and entertaining. Invicta's are tough and work well. I always have an Invicta in my pack as a back-up watch when I travel overseas. I also wear Invicta when working in the shady parts of town. Another plus when overseas, Gypsies won't try to steal them off of your wrist. Invicta's work and for the money they are great decoy watches.
Good points. I miss my Ocean Reef 6145.
I bought my after watching several youtube videos about it. My $70.00 is awesome. Will lot for yacht master, when I can get for good price. Problem with buying expensive watches is - few watch fans only want a few watches. Common collections are 15 watches. Actually real ganster wear swiss watches & wanna be pretenders wear big invivtas because real gansters have real money. Now when you grow your watch collection it will cost approx 20x more. I think your addiction was shopping channels, and blaming on watch brand is simply classic blame transferance.
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Word has it he now collects Timex 😂
You know...people rag on Timex too much. YES they are cheap and somewhat boring looking, but MAN oh Man, do they last long. I still have the one had when I was 16, and I'm 56 now. It still works.
@@Bertminator probably not very well after that much time, it probably needs to be serviced otherwise you're losing time a day to the watch
Invictas are great Amazing buy
alexguy96 that's where you're wrong mate
What’s wrong with the nh35? Nothing. It’s the same movement as in a lot of decent watches,That other manufacturers use.It’s pretty accurate,Reliable and robust for an automatic,! I’ve got a couple spinnakers that use the same movement, there’s not a little difference In case quality between my Invicta diver and my spinnaker Dumas ,They both use the same movement so what’s the difference? One was 100 and the other one was $400. It is what it is
I only own two Invictas one is Swiss Made brought recently other one is retired to a bedside clock, I only buy swiss or Vintage watches now. Great interesting channel you have.
I think I have about 15 watches and Timex, Casio, and Invicta are all fighting for the first place spot. The way I look at it is instead of paying 40k for a Rolex Submariner which MSRPs around 8k, I rather pay 69.95 for an Invicta Jubilee that MSRPs around 2k. The point is this is a much cheaper way of wearing a watch that is invisible and no one cares about. That's right people! Unless you're around watch collectors, no one cares about that stainless steel watch that you paid as much for as a new car! There is not one piece in my collection that doesn't make me happy, also there isnt one piece in my collection that makes me feel fiscally irresponsible or just downright moronic.
Watched your video it’s pretty good. I actually bought me an Invicta Sea hunter 3. And I have seen videos where people have collected those watches all over the country 30 40 50 60 of them. Myself I’m not gonna buy any more Invictas. I only bought this one because I think it’s so cool the size of it. And I figure if people wanna collect a lot of them I say go for it. It’s really no different than someone who collects a lot of automobiles. Or motorcycles. Or a lot of old books. Personal preference. But I do respect that you decided to get off that collection addiction. I personally wouldn’t call them costume jewelry. They are very good watches and then grab a lot of attention. I think that’s probably why people get caught up into the addiction of collecting them.
Great video! Good laughs, yet also truthful. I have some Invictas, and I love wearing them. They've been great watches. But I'm very selective about what I buy. There are other brands out there are great and fun to explore.
I can totally relate. ShopNBC and Invicta got me hooked on watches back in 2006. Had tons of them. Not as many as you, but probably had 30 at one time. Sold them all at massive losses or gave them them away. I now have a 5 watch collection consisting of a Tudor Black Bay, Rolex No Date Sub, Hamilton X-Wind, Vostok Amphibia, and a G-Shock, and I am a much happier man.
More quality results in more happiness and is a sign of education. Excellent collection.
I like Orient (wearing one now), but the Saturation Diver is so tacky....ugh. Bro...you are still wearing a watch at is WAY too big!!!
You know you want some more Invictas, go ahead, admit it! LOL. I'm 46 and I have 4 Invicta Russian Divers now, 2 are camo style, 1 has GMT. I'm a big guy with 8 inch wrists. I think the size is great for me, and there aren't too many other watches that are large as many "watch people" seem to be little guys with 6.5 inch wrists that you can snap in half by looking at them hard. Also, now my eyes suck and my grail for a long time was the IWC big pilot, only because I can read it easily and there's no extra crap in the background like on G shocks which has all kinds of little digital windows that do who knows what because I can't see them anyway. These Invictas have large, easy to read dials. Love em. And, they're not expensive so they are great as a daily casual watch/beater watch, and still some are Swiss made and have Swiss Ronda movements. What's wrong with that?
Invicta Pro-Diver 40mm w/Seiko auto mvmt is hand downs a winner, the only one I like. You might like the Breitling Super Ocean Heritage 44mm (Black Dial). So what did you do with all of those yellow boxes?
55 Invictas you could have bought an Omega SeaMaster or something decent. But the $70 8926ob is great.
I have 6 Invictas I'm a big guy and I like the big bold watches never buy anything under 50mm and there good quality for my price range
Pro diver with a Swiss movement best $200 a first time watch buyer can do at least in my opinion excellent quality soon as bracelets wears a little get a good stainless bracelet and you have a fine watch.
I was watching Evine last night and one caller claimed to have over 80 Invictas. Holy Hell!! I still love Invicta though.
Invicta has some fun, bold looking watches in the $200-300 price range. Nothing wrong with having a couple. But 80 is excessive of course.
+Jeffrey McMahon I'm still in my young and flashy phase. but I can see why a man in his 50s would opt for a Seiko or something else that's a little more elegant and understated.
For sure, a young man can flash a Subaqua Specialty or Venom. I'm too old at 54 for that style.
Every guy that used to collect Invicta held onto ONE of them ,come on McMahon admit it witch ONE could you not part with? I have a 8926ob that I modded myself It's a great watch
I miss my Invicta 4831 and 4830, nice 52mm military watches.
I own the Invicta Lupah chronograph and enjoy it picked it up for $70 Canadian
I bought a couple of Invictas back around 2006, an 8926 (Sub) and a 2770 (Mil Chrono) and I know the shame of which you speak. They were a nice stepping stone in watch education but certainly not something I'd keep or be able to pass on to my kids.
thank you for not trashing other Invicta collectors I personally have quite a lot of invicta's with four seiko's being prospex tuna automatic, recraft automatic, orange monster automatic, and the Holy grail of my seiko collection is my Ananta automatic (not the brightz) but I'm a littlec confused is the only reason you stopped collecting Invicta because of an image thing or what exactly.
Too much bling. I prefer the Seiko tool watches. But I respect Invicta.
+Jeffrey McMahon thank you for the clarification I certainly understand the blind factor being up way high on Invicta time pieces, take care.
I bought an Invicta back in 2016. Told myself if I was still wearing it one year later I could buy another. Here it is 2019 and my Invicta is still in it's Yellow Divers case in my closet. My new time device? My cell phone!
I am about to sell my Invictas. I probably have six of them. Thank you for this video
Yep,they are all show and no go. Nice on the exterior and garbage on the interior. Surprisingly though you can actually buy a few with the valjoux 7750 movement in them,which shows they are capable of producing something worth buying.
So what's the reason why he stop buying Invicta watches?? It wasn't because of faulty workmanship or a horrible customer service Hmmm is this because the watch gave you a false "Status feeling"? I know these watches are not Hublot, Rolex, or Breitling watches but I think they still are decent watches to have maybe not owning 55 of them (that's just self control).
I got my first really nice watch in 2011 when I was 21. It was a Seiko Coutura. I still wear it. But today I bought two new watches. A timex expedition to wear when I do something outdoors like shoot guns, hunt/fish, things like that. And a Bulova precisionist 96b131. When I was looking at the Seikos in the case I was getting tempted to get another one too because they look very nice! Nice looking watches are hard to resist! Lol
That Precisionist is a nice timepiece and has bold wrist presence. Sounds like you've been moderate in your watch shopping.
+Jeffrey McMahon yeah hahaha! I'm the kind of guy who has to really like a watch to drop a few hundred dollars on it. Before I got that Seiko I wore Fossil watches. When I was a teenager Fossils were the watch to wear lol!
Its all about personal preference and what motivate us in buying Invicta watches.
I'm not a type of person who get hook up on fancy watches. I'm happy on watches I bought in Walmart for $10 dollars. But for years I have watches $50K Rolex, Movado, and some Swiss made which including Japanese Seiko. Even though there clock everywhere you turn like car radios and smart phone, I have no real need nor obsession to buy expensive watches. I have bought 8 Invicta watches and to me it is just a functional reliable tool and nothing more. It may not be as too many compared to what you've collected but I'm very happy with my Invicta watches and I'm glad that you realized that there are many good or perhaps excellent mens watch out there in the market. As far as the Invicta sales pitch., well that is typical for any salesperson want to make a sales goal and I don't fault them for exaggeration. But the fact is that Invicta watches are good watch. We work hard for the money we spend and its right that you deserve what is best for you. I hope you do make videos that what kind of watches that worth buying. Like what you said earlier that ignorant can cost you lots of money. God speed...