George, I've just watched this whole interview and the two of you have kind of blown my mind. Without going into my entire life story, you've just managed to summarize all the thoughts I've been pondering for the past thirty years. I've been a student of Anthropology, Eastern Philosophy, (my combined uni degree) and the Climate Crisis all that time. I now live in rural Canada and don't have many folks around me who are anywhere nearly as obsessed with these ideas as I am. But today, after a big snow storm yesterday, I can sit in my little snowed in house, with the sun shining in, and be reassured that all the thoughts and perspectives I've been processing and pondering all these decades were absolutely not for naught. Everything has all just come together. Lent truly IS an Integrator. I'm ordering his book from our local independent (small town) bookstore (and recommending they order at least several copies). I am so excited to get my hands on one. Thank you so much for this. Not just for introducing us to Lent's work, but also for your own personal passion on these topics. So much gratitude to you both.
Wow Dia, thanks so much for sharing. Sounds like you've been on a wonderful journey - really glad the ideas resonate with you. I find Jeremy's work so invigorating!
You see how connected we are? I, too, am sitting in a little snowed in house in rural Canada after a big snow storm yesterday, so happy to know something that I've known for ages...that everything is interconnected and representative of expanding life/consciousness. If we could all realize this interconnectedness, we would live life with so much more joy, ease and wisdom that when we exploit our environment, we are exploiting ourselves. Separateness is an illusion, but I suppose we took the journey of separateness for the experience. I believe we are always in a process because we are part of the grander process. This was my first time hearing Lent and I am so happy and grateful that I clicked on this video. All the best :-)
ha i’m in a little house in tennessee after a little snow and ice storm… definitely not snowed in but certainly don’t want to leave my humble abode… but opening my mind- i think you and wendy might like heart math… feels like synchronicity being here at this moment… pce=^..^=
Wow! This conversation is speaking too me so much clearer than some other similar ones, that I have tried to listen to, because of it’s down to earth, (and lack of ego?) language, and tone. Not to try and take away anything from the more intellectually presented ones. Different levels of us, need different styles of teaching. Sending many thanks to the both of you, for sharing this conversation with us. Deeply touching.🙏❤️
Thank you so much George and Jeremy for this extremely insightful and valuable interview. All the very best and much love and gratitude to the both of you for your grounded and connecting energy.
Get Jason Gregory on George. He is foremost Daoist teacher these days. Even in China we listen to him. That be a true mindbending chat garanteed viewing. I love this interview too. Learned a lot.
What a refreshing discussion George. It was a joy to listen to Jeremy's presentation of his ideas and his masterful use of vocabulary made it even more wonderful. Thank you. :)
Wow! I am a deep lover of Nature. I have just been pondering about evolution. About how each species did the best they could to survive with their environment and I feel their whole being and existence and so called evolution is because they strived for it across generations in keeping with the ways of Nature, of the Universe. An eagle started developing incredible vision across miles because their whole being willed them in that direction ( trying to say it in my limited way, using language)
What began as a likeable young man discovering Daoism quickly degenerated into disingenuous claims and attempts to lure the naïve into paying for highly questionable martial arts vacations. Was this your intention all along?
Great interview. Thank you as always. Emergence Science is also a system science. Jeremy mentioned fractals and fungi which are systems. I have always loved the concept of entropy and the conservation of energy/matter as was mentioned. I am learning about the Tao and Gaia consciousness. All these system sciences resonate with me. Thanks again, George.
Thank you George and thank you Jeremy Lent. There is always something to learn. I haven’t heard of Yu-wei as apposed to Wu-wei before. I enjoyed the discussion on animate/conceptual consciousness or intelligence, and the reductionist and systems thinking part. The meditation segment had a clear revealing of I (Yu-wei) and myself (Wu-wei) too. What a wonder it is to be living and breathing and sharing. In the spirit of sharing, here's a poem I was struggling with but finished thanks to thinking in terms of Wu-wei. Have a good day George! Nothing to do and nowhere to be I watched the dust go tumbling against the waves of light as if the air was smuggling a haze of gold in flight The gold fell down then rose again inside this hidden tide it filled the space once more and then it left nothing behind I watched the dust go stumbling between the room and I the time of day went crumbling into a gentle sigh For something that was always there it took me by surprise it quieted the world, I swear it pacified my mind I watched the dust go tumbling until the time had come to join once more the rumbling to beat my steady drum
George, I would encourage you to translate the Dao De Jing yourself. All the tools to do so are available. This way, you will know what is actually included and not included in those 81 poems. I translated it in 2009 over 18 months or so. I used the 6 available ancient manuscripts (300 BCE to 500 CE,) the MDBG Chinese-English online dictionary, the Zhongwen and Onkellotus websites. These tools, accompanied by introspection, will allow you to realize your Dao De Jing translation. The Dao De Jing is within. Hence, looking within is what guides the translation.
@@George-Thompson I have a question i hope you can help with. I read on one of Master Gu's martial arts tours websites that in addition to the stated cost, there is an additional fee required if you want to insure that you are taught directly by Master Gu. Isn't the whole point of travelling to china to train with Master Gu? If he doesnt teach all the visitors to his school, who does? What are the other teachers qualifications? Are you an instructor George?
I have a question i hope you can help with. I read on one of Master Gu's martial arts tours websites that in addition to the stated cost, there is an additional fee required if you want to insure that you are taught directly by Master Gu. Isn't the whole point of travelling to china to train with Master Gu? If he doesnt teach all the visitors to his school, who does? What are the other teachers qualifications? Are you an instructor George?
George, thanks for this wonderful interview. Lent is a great mind and really gets it. Given your worldview and your resonance with Lent, I highly recommend you look up the work of Iain McGilchrist as well! His book "The Matter With Things" is the deepest and most profound exploration of these topics I have encountered, at another level even than Lent. I hope you check it out, and many thanks for the work you're doing.
I had to go and do some research on neo-confucianism which steps back into a different time in China with belief systems and existing traditions that looked at the role of woman and men as very specific and the women to obey their father and their husbands etc in accordance with their philosophy and didnt play out well for women even if they came from elite families. Interesting interview thank you George and Jeremy. Nature I believe is very intelligent. A great book to read is Supernature by Lyall Watson if you havent already read it!
Why are you teaching something you clearly don't understand yourself? This is very confusing. I was under the impression you only had 2 or 3 years of Taiji experience. How does this qualify you to teach for money??
I've read on one of Master Gu's websites that he will accept anyone who stays at his school for more than 1 month as a disciple. How long did you train with Master Gu before your bashi ceremony? I only ask because my years of training in traditional chinese martial arts has lead me to believe that becoming a disciple took years (if not decades.).
Wow what an amazing interview! This resonates with me on a deep level. I also love how Lent integrates so many approaches as I have found it difficult to find ‘my home’ in any of the frameworks on there own. This book is going on the top of my reading list!
Spontaneity includes disfunction and conflict. What is agents nature ? Everything is natural we can't escape nature because its what we are. Every aspect of existence is natural. Our ego tells us we are wrong to destroy. Will the sun think its wrong when it swells and destroys all life on earth one day?
Yes, what you've said is the same as what I've heard from neurologists, about the workings of the brain which needs tools, words, sounds of languages, and in turn, different words, sounds, and languages also capable of changing brain functions. And, I think human cognitive and intellectual capacities which we humans are proud of. We take pride in our escalating civilizations and advanced sophisticated technologies. However, everything brought about by man contains duality. Darkness and light are embodied in one another. We take pride in our intellectual capacity, in our civilizations, and in our advanced machines. However, simultaneously, in the intellectual capacity, there is an instinctual urge of selfishness, and in civilization the uncivilized darkness. Darkness with Light, Yin with Yang is of the eternity. I agree with you that the true higher consciousness transcends the duality. Nice to watch and listen to your presentation.
How can anyone relax with what is happening all around us? We are being physically trapped, no freedom to roam any more. Governments everywhere throwing up obstacles. Other than this, I have zero issues! Enjoyed your documentary on Wudang .
I've read on one of Master Gu's websites that he will accept anyone who stays at his school for more than 1 month as a disciple. How long did you train with Master Gu before your bashi ceremony? I only ask because my years of training in traditional chinese martial arts has lead me to believe that becoming a disciple took years (if not decades.).
That's interesting. Yu wei (don't know how it's spelled) is a part of nature: think of the beaver building damns, think of the ants exploiting other species, think of the predators that chase other animals and change their migration paths. Humans are predators - we are programmed to think in terms of goals/catching prey aka purpose of action. I know that for animals it's more instinctual. But what if the utilization of our conceptual consciousness is instinctual as well? I totally agree, that integration of wu wei and yu wei (still don't know how to spell it) is the key. Not for us humans to dissociate in to our conceptual consciousness but to integrate it with our bodies and instinctual consciousness...
Excellent. Is there a possibility for a bibliography to be added besides the books Jeremy Lent mentioned in the earlier part of conversation? Thank you.
Oikos the root of eco in economics means both house, household and family. Its all about relationshop Like the beaver being his nest being his family being what he does in his nest. Its all about relation en connectivenes but we pulled it apart and made seperated meanings and so relationships. Oikonomics would be complexity studies. Just giving a bit of energy to your studies. Looking it like that you are started with one of the triad and moved on to the rest
I have a question i hope you can help with. I read on one of Master Gu's martial arts tours websites that in addition to the stated cost, there is an additional fee required if you want to insure that you are taught directly by Master Gu. Isn't the whole point of travelling to china to train with Master Gu? If he doesnt teach all the visitors to his school, who does? What are the other teachers qualifications? Are you an instructor George?
Hello, what are Taoism thoughts on cancer? My dad has severe liver cancer and I wonder if theres anything I can look more into or any wisdom? Thank you :)
Oof such a perspective shift. Why must it be either a ruthless God who says humanity are a mistake or materialism in which we are all.. just a big meaningless accident. Science and spirituality need to be combined.
George makes another video, artificially inflates his view count with link exchanges, then lavishes praise on himself via numerous sock-puppet accounts. Who is this charade for?
George, can you clarify your relationship with studymartialarts.org, specifically how much of a commission you receive for each person you refer to them? Thanks.
George, I've just watched this whole interview and the two of you have kind of blown my mind. Without going into my entire life story, you've just managed to summarize all the thoughts I've been pondering for the past thirty years. I've been a student of Anthropology, Eastern Philosophy, (my combined uni degree) and the Climate Crisis all that time. I now live in rural Canada and don't have many folks around me who are anywhere nearly as obsessed with these ideas as I am. But today, after a big snow storm yesterday, I can sit in my little snowed in house, with the sun shining in, and be reassured that all the thoughts and perspectives I've been processing and pondering all these decades were absolutely not for naught. Everything has all just come together. Lent truly IS an Integrator. I'm ordering his book from our local independent (small town) bookstore (and recommending they order at least several copies). I am so excited to get my hands on one. Thank you so much for this. Not just for introducing us to Lent's work, but also for your own personal passion on these topics. So much gratitude to you both.
Wow Dia, thanks so much for sharing. Sounds like you've been on a wonderful journey - really glad the ideas resonate with you. I find Jeremy's work so invigorating!
You see how connected we are? I, too, am sitting in a little snowed in house in rural Canada after a big snow storm yesterday, so happy to know something that I've known for ages...that everything is interconnected and representative of expanding life/consciousness. If we could all realize this interconnectedness, we would live life with so much more joy, ease and wisdom that when we exploit our environment, we are exploiting ourselves. Separateness is an illusion, but I suppose we took the journey of separateness for the experience. I believe we are always in a process because we are part of the grander process. This was my first time hearing Lent and I am so happy and grateful that I clicked on this video. All the best :-)
@@wendymonette9958 So nice! Indeed. And that was a such a far reaching storm, wasn't it?! All the best to you too!
Hey homie, I'm a Taoist from Toronto. If you live there/near there, we should meet up once covid/snow stops being a problem :)
ha
i’m in a little house in tennessee after a little snow and ice storm…
definitely not snowed in but certainly don’t want to leave my humble abode…
but opening my mind-
i think you and wendy might like heart math…
feels like synchronicity being here at this moment…
pce=^..^=
This book, The Web of Meaning rocked my world.
Wow! This conversation is speaking too me so much clearer than some other similar ones, that I have tried to listen to, because of it’s down to earth, (and lack of ego?) language, and tone. Not to try and take away anything from the more intellectually presented ones. Different levels of us, need different styles of teaching. Sending many thanks to the both of you, for sharing this conversation with us. Deeply touching.🙏❤️
so glad you enjoyed Gary!
This conversation is a real treat thank you so much
You both were doing it....sharing positive energy.....Thankyou namaste...
Thank you for this beautiful conversation ! 🌅🙂🙏
Thank you so much George and Jeremy for this extremely insightful and valuable interview. All the very best and much love and gratitude to the both of you for your grounded and connecting energy.
🙏🙏🙏
Get Jason Gregory on George. He is foremost Daoist teacher these days. Even in China we listen to him. That be a true mindbending chat garanteed viewing. I love this interview too. Learned a lot.
Thank you for sharing this fascinating talk Jeremy and George 🙏
What a refreshing discussion George. It was a joy to listen to Jeremy's presentation of his ideas and his masterful use of vocabulary made it even more wonderful. Thank you. :)
So Glad you enjoyed it Robin!
How long have you been practicing Taiji George? How can you teach Taiji principles when you yourself are a novice??
Thanks for this amazing and enlightening interview. Your channel is a real blessing.
❤️☯️❤️
Wow! I am a deep lover of Nature. I have just been pondering about evolution. About how each species did the best they could to survive with their environment and I feel their whole being and existence and so called evolution is because they strived for it across generations in keeping with the ways of Nature, of the Universe. An eagle started developing incredible vision across miles because their whole being willed them in that direction ( trying to say it in my limited way, using language)
Beautiful thoughts, thanks for sharing!
What began as a likeable young man discovering Daoism quickly degenerated into disingenuous claims and attempts to lure the naïve into paying for highly
questionable martial arts vacations. Was this your intention all along?
Great interview. Thank you as always. Emergence Science is also a system science. Jeremy mentioned fractals and fungi which are systems. I have always loved the concept of entropy and the conservation of energy/matter as was mentioned. I am learning about the Tao and Gaia consciousness. All these system sciences resonate with me. Thanks again, George.
Thank you George and thank you Jeremy Lent. There is always something to learn. I haven’t heard of Yu-wei as apposed to Wu-wei before. I enjoyed the discussion on animate/conceptual consciousness or intelligence, and the reductionist and systems thinking part. The meditation segment had a clear revealing of I (Yu-wei) and myself (Wu-wei) too. What a wonder it is to be living and breathing and sharing. In the spirit of sharing, here's a poem I was struggling with but finished thanks to thinking in terms of Wu-wei. Have a good day George!
Nothing to do and nowhere to be
I watched the dust go tumbling
against the waves of light
as if the air was smuggling
a haze of gold in flight
The gold fell down then rose again
inside this hidden tide
it filled the space once more and then
it left nothing behind
I watched the dust go stumbling
between the room and I
the time of day went crumbling
into a gentle sigh
For something that was always there
it took me by surprise
it quieted the world, I swear
it pacified my mind
I watched the dust go tumbling
until the time had come
to join once more the rumbling
to beat my steady drum
George, I would encourage you to translate the Dao De Jing yourself. All the tools to do so are available. This way, you will know what is actually included and not included in those 81 poems.
I translated it in 2009 over 18 months or so. I used the 6 available ancient manuscripts (300 BCE to 500 CE,) the MDBG Chinese-English online dictionary, the Zhongwen and Onkellotus websites. These tools, accompanied by introspection, will allow you to realize your Dao De Jing translation.
The Dao De Jing is within. Hence, looking within is what guides the translation.
Hi Mike, I would love to do that one day - sounds like a nourishing exploration!
@@George-Thompson I have a question i hope you can help with. I read on one of Master Gu's martial arts tours websites that in addition to the stated cost, there is an additional
fee required if you want to insure that you are taught directly by Master Gu. Isn't the whole point of travelling to china to train with Master Gu? If he doesnt
teach all the visitors to his school, who does? What are the other teachers qualifications? Are you an instructor George?
many thanks george, its so encouraging to hear conversations with kindred spirits on this journey of life and discovery 🙏
I have a question i hope you can help with. I read on one of Master Gu's martial arts tours websites that in addition to the stated cost, there is an additional
fee required if you want to insure that you are taught directly by Master Gu. Isn't the whole point of travelling to china to train with Master Gu? If he doesnt
teach all the visitors to his school, who does? What are the other teachers qualifications? Are you an instructor George?
@@DisciplesofStatic sorry i am not george i'm a subscriber to the channel leave a comment in the comments section for george to pick up :-}
This is awesome. Liberating thoughts. I definitely need a book about neo-confucianism
Conscienceness is all, all is conscienceness. Conscienceness is you, you are conscienceness.
George, thanks for this wonderful interview. Lent is a great mind and really gets it. Given your worldview and your resonance with Lent, I highly recommend you look up the work of Iain McGilchrist as well! His book "The Matter With Things" is the deepest and most profound exploration of these topics I have encountered, at another level even than Lent. I hope you check it out, and many thanks for the work you're doing.
Thank you George, I might help spreading the view o this amazing philosopher here in Brazil.
George you are awesome. Keep on keeping on
When humans become extinct, like millions of species before us, the Tao will go on without missing a beat.
Congratulations George on this amazing podcast/interview.
So Glad you enjoyed it!
What a fascinating and mind opening discussion!! Thank you George and Jeremy for sharing with us! Sending many blessings from Australia 😊☯️
so glad you enjoyed it! 🙏🙏
@@George-Thompson Why do you hide your dislikes George? You must have a very fragile ego.
Wonderful interview.
21:06 this really spoke to me
I had to go and do some research on neo-confucianism which steps back into a different time in China with belief systems and existing traditions that looked at the role of woman and men as very specific and the women to obey their father and their husbands etc in accordance with their philosophy and didnt play out well for women even if they came from elite families. Interesting interview thank you George and Jeremy. Nature I believe is very intelligent. A great book to read is Supernature by Lyall Watson if you havent already read it!
Why are you teaching something you clearly don't understand yourself? This is very confusing. I was under the impression you only had 2 or 3 years of Taiji experience.
How does this qualify you to teach for money??
@@DisciplesofStaticI gather you are responding to George?
@white dove the commenter is a complete crackpot who seems to spend his time smack talking rather than contributing any videos of his own
Interesting, insightful, and super relevant. Book ordered. Great stuff, George.
Great video. Very interesting and thought provoking. (As always 🙏🏼)
Loving the white crane T-shirt. 👍🏼🙂🙏🏼☯️
Thanks Jo, glad you enjoyed!! Yes it's one of my favourites 💫
What an excellent discussion, George. Thank you!
I've read on one of Master Gu's websites that he will accept anyone who stays at his school for more than 1 month as a disciple. How long did you train with Master Gu
before your bashi ceremony? I only ask because my years of training in traditional chinese martial arts has lead me to believe that becoming a disciple took years
(if not decades.).
Wow what an amazing interview! This resonates with me on a deep level. I also love how Lent integrates so many approaches as I have found it difficult to find ‘my home’ in any of the frameworks on there own. This book is going on the top of my reading list!
Hi level folks.
Good job.
So much yes to this knowledge 🙌 George, you might enjoy exploring Arnold Mindell's work on process oriented psychology.
Wonderful talk shixiong! Thanks a lot for the inspiration you are delivering :)
Love the Taoist wisdom
In my opinion, George seems to be incredibly ego-driven. This will be a major obstacle in his understanding of daoism.
awesome videos George!
When nature kicks ass, it's only kicking its own ass
Spontaneity includes disfunction and conflict. What is agents nature ? Everything is natural we can't escape nature because its what we are. Every aspect of existence is natural. Our ego tells us we are wrong to destroy. Will the sun think its wrong when it swells and destroys all life on earth one day?
Yes, what you've said is the same as what I've heard from neurologists, about the workings of the brain which needs tools, words, sounds of languages, and in turn, different words, sounds, and languages also capable of changing brain functions. And, I think human cognitive and intellectual capacities which we humans are proud of. We take pride in our escalating civilizations and advanced sophisticated technologies. However, everything brought about by man contains duality. Darkness and light are embodied in one another. We take pride in our intellectual capacity, in our civilizations, and in our advanced machines. However, simultaneously, in the intellectual capacity, there is an instinctual urge of selfishness, and in civilization the uncivilized darkness. Darkness with Light, Yin with Yang is of the eternity. I agree with you that the true higher consciousness transcends the duality. Nice to watch and listen to your presentation.
How can anyone relax with what is happening all around us? We are being physically trapped, no freedom to roam any more. Governments everywhere throwing up obstacles. Other than this, I have zero issues! Enjoyed your documentary on Wudang .
haha other than this zero issues 😄
@@George-Thompson 💕
God bless - sjsrana
Can’t we somehow figure out how to get out of our own ways, and learn how to dance with IT ALL, and let the Cosmos lead.
what I love about your channel is to observe your own development over the years. How you share this with the world. Kind regards... Sifu Pedro.
I've read on one of Master Gu's websites that he will accept anyone who stays at his school for more than 1 month as a disciple. How long did you train with Master Gu
before your bashi ceremony? I only ask because my years of training in traditional chinese martial arts has lead me to believe that becoming a disciple took years
(if not decades.).
@Xing Yi's Deadly Hand Oh look, a bot! Shoo!
That's interesting. Yu wei (don't know how it's spelled) is a part of nature: think of the beaver building damns, think of the ants exploiting other species, think of the predators that chase other animals and change their migration paths. Humans are predators - we are programmed to think in terms of goals/catching prey aka purpose of action.
I know that for animals it's more instinctual. But what if the utilization of our conceptual consciousness is instinctual as well?
I totally agree, that integration of wu wei and yu wei (still don't know how to spell it) is the key. Not for us humans to dissociate in to our conceptual consciousness but to integrate it with our bodies and instinctual consciousness...
Excellent. Is there a possibility for a bibliography to be added besides the books Jeremy Lent mentioned in the earlier part of conversation? Thank you.
Oikos the root of eco in economics means both house, household and family. Its all about relationshop Like the beaver being his nest being his family being what he does in his nest. Its all about relation en connectivenes but we pulled it apart and made seperated meanings and so relationships. Oikonomics would be complexity studies. Just giving a bit of energy to your studies. Looking it like that you are started with one of the triad and moved on to the rest
I have a question i hope you can help with. I read on one of Master Gu's martial arts tours websites that in addition to the stated cost, there is an additional
fee required if you want to insure that you are taught directly by Master Gu. Isn't the whole point of travelling to china to train with Master Gu? If he doesnt
teach all the visitors to his school, who does? What are the other teachers qualifications? Are you an instructor George?
Hello, what are Taoism thoughts on cancer? My dad has severe liver cancer and I wonder if theres anything I can look more into or any wisdom? Thank you :)
Hello, is it U-Wei (action away from nature)?
agreeable ENTP with developed Fe
are the pigmys of the Congo basin .going against the source of nature ,are the san bushmen separate from the Dao
i dont think so
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Edges and nodes. It’s just a fabric.
Contemplate the Tao on shrooms, you'll know all from within 🙏✨🍄✨
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48:45
Oof such a perspective shift. Why must it be either a ruthless God who says humanity are a mistake or materialism in which we are all.. just a big meaningless accident. Science and spirituality need to be combined.
animals don't have intelligent, but kind of program... really?
George makes another video, artificially inflates his view count with link exchanges, then lavishes praise on himself via numerous sock-puppet accounts. Who is this charade for?
Join #savesoil, #sadhguru
George, can you clarify your relationship with studymartialarts.org, specifically how much of a commission you receive for each person you refer to them? Thanks.