The original was a amazing game so much better then anything else at the time and that was 25 years ago, i was 10 at the time and i loved it then and other games couldn't offer what it could, i still played and enjoyed other games
Before people started comparing BG3 to Starfield, I didn't know Starfield existed. Because I don't pay attention to what awful developers do, no matter what they spend on marketing.
Baldurs gate 3 is a true game that we as a gaming community want more of. Not all this cash grabs and paying for skins or simply one colour on halo💀 Though if it comes down to additional content and map add ons to BG3 I’d gladly put money into it cause it’s actually worth what you pay
@@pokermitten9795 They’re obviously not the only ones. But in terms of actual community engagement and service to the dnd community. This game has made a lot of people very happy. As well it doesn’t have the issues current developers like to take advantage of with cash grabs for small things.
In Skyrim, you're trying to stop a dragon god from ending the world. In Fallout 4 you're trying to find the man who murdered your spouse and took your son. In Starfield you're trying to assemble a 3d jigsaw puzzle.
Nah, all Todd Fallout about searching for family members and all those games are literal trash. Convoluted design, same as Starfield, town of slavers, town of children, town of children again, another town of slavers, town of 4 group of slavers in DLC. Only one time Bethesda somehow managed to get Fallout right is a Far Harbor. You can't tell me Fallout 3 or 4 are good games.
@@ArteriusSaren I think if you use a scale of Bad/Okay/Good, a lot of games that are not great will still qualify as good. Fallout 4 might be one of them even if the depth in story and dialogue is not great, the impact of choices are almost non-existent and that the settlement building was at best in beta at release. Fallout 3 would fall shorter for sure. It's an Okay game. Skyrim would definitely be a good game but still a far stretch from a really great game that gets 9/10. In the end, the mods are the reason those game get where they should belong.
Just finished my first BG3 playthrough with one character at 114 hours enjoyed every second didn't even finish everything in the game. Also started a new playthrough as the dark urge, the game is just genuinely that good
I'm at 70 hours in BG3, still in act 2, I'm gonna do the same after I'm done, gonna play dark urge and pick all dark urge choices. And I don't play CRPGs and never played DnD.
What exactly is this game? What I keep seeing is very edgy characters and something that looks like strategy combat? But it's also multiplayer and focused on the roll playing elements... Very confusing. Just keep hearing it's good but never what exactly it is and why.
it's CRPG, I'm sure you've seen people say that and also compare with other games in the same genre, idk what you've been reading but everyone is also saying why it's good. If you don't know what crpg is, you have wikipedia @@poppi3362
@@poppi3362 has nothing to do with multiplayer. It's a turn based game from the same creators as Divinity's Original Sin (1 and 2). It's a single player game but it can be played in co-op up to 4 players as a full party; if you play solo you get to add 3 other NPC companions to your party. Game is really good because, just like Divinity's Original Sin 2, you can do ANYTHING you want, the engine makes everything in the game interactable and attackable, meaning you can be creative with how you deal with enemies (you can pick up a box, fill it with water, drop it on top of an enemy, this soaks the ground and his clothing, then you can cast a lightening based spell onto the water in the ground and the enemy is eletrecuted). Don't know where you picked up the "edgy characters", they're all well written, albeit funny and not too serious.
I don't like turn based gameplay, but love BG3, I feel like this is THE game to give turn based another shot. Theres just soo much more around the tun based combat which makes it great. I wish asmon would give it a try.
The turn based combat is like 10% of the total experience you'd get from the game. Even if someone doesn't like the combat, there's still a lot more they'd get out of it.
I hate turn based combat but I like the combat in bg3 cause of the random stuff you can do, like throwing people at other people like footballs and stuff
I have never played a Crpg in my life but after hearing so many good things about the game i gave it a go. I played it in balance for my 1st play through and i barely scraped by and finished the game. I didn't use any specific builds from TH-cam or any other guide videos. Just me and my understanding of the game and it was an awesome experience. Edit: The game got so overwhelming for me that I completely missed Laziel on my 1st play through. I didn't knew she was a companion and got to know about her when I saw her on a random video and by that time I was in act 3. So i completely missed her story never met any gith people and my 1st encounter of them was the imprisoned Gith prince. Lol
@@drearmouse9510also Tyranny if you like Pillars of Eternity made by the same developer Obsidian, pretty underrated game in my opinion Although don't expect the same level of depth and quest design as BG3 it's a different experience but pretty amazing also both DOS games are awesome and they are from Larian
Pillars of eternity/Divinity original sin were "good enough" experience for me in this genre 👀ツ ==> Mods are great for (personalizing) replying games (DoS 2🤍) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think the thing I like the most about BG 3 is that dungeons lead to a unique item. Not just a generic weapon that does 5% more damage, but items that actually open up to more ways to play the game. Case example I was exploring the abandoned village in act one and got to a basement that belonged to a dude that was experimenting with neceomancy, on that same area I found a scroll that allowed me to summon a little demon, this scroll was the same as the spell available to warlocks so I thought it was no diferent than the normal spell. But after I made Gale learn it and cast it, to my surprise the little fella is fully voice acted and actually talked to me about how his boring master made him fetch bodies for his experiments but now he is happy he doesn't has to follow his orders. He also talks about the book he was studying and that he believed I could actually finish the research his master couldn't. After getting to the end of the basement I found the book Fork (I changed the little bastard name) told me about, a key was needed to open the book, after searching the room I found a note of the apprentice of the mage who said he hide the key down the well. I go then to the well and oh boy is another entire new area full of giant spiders and a boss fight. It takes me a lot of effort but I manage to achieve victory and get the key along some other unique item. Now I can unlock the book and gain access to a new questline related to it that I don't want to spoil. All of this just because I was looting some junk in an abandoned house. Had I just beelined straight to the next main point of interest I would had missed all of this.
Hell yeah, I completely missed that basement in my first playthrough and didn't even know it existed until a friend of mine commented about the giant spider under the first village. So much content in this game. Easily going to take me at least 2 more playthroughs to find everything.
That necromancy book also gives your character either a permanent (not fully sure) debuff, or a permanent (very sure) buff depending on how far you get reading it, without failing a roll. Another example is something during the main story. Won't spoil, but depending on your actions, and which character you use to interact with it, will either give you a massive passive buff, or a short-term debuff. The chances of naturally stumbling upon the route of actions needed to take to get that buff, would be very slim. You pretty much need to know it exists, to find out it exists. There's not even a message saying "you got x buff, now your Y ability is a bonus action, instead of a normal action".
Hold onto that Necromancy of Thay book until Act 3 and you can actually learn a way to finish reading it, giving the reader access to one of the most powerful spells in game.
I haven't played a single player game in years and I'm fucking addicted to bg3. The feeling you get when you solve a problem in a way that feels unique is awesome. I was playing earlier today and came across a locked gate. I wasn't sure it'll what was behind it would be worth wasting the resources. I just found a bunch of boxes, stacked them up, and jumped over the gate. But I could tell there were several avenues for me to get back there
It took me until my 3rd playthrough to realize dropping something through the ceiling of the building before entering from the back door made every guard inside go investigate the noise and gather together, ready to be AoEd.
@@badger297 Near the start of the game, there is this ruin (where you meet the respec guy inside). There are several ways to get in (a door on the cliff side, the main door, etc). One way is to drop a large stone hanging above the yard to create a hole you can jump into. But if you drop the stone, but take another way inside, all the guards are in the room where the stone dropped through the ceiling, near some conveniently-placed explosive barrels ready to get destroyed. After three playthroughs (well, I'm in my third one), I still manage to find new ways to do things and I consider myself to be a completionist.
sir i beg you dont have the completionist mindset with bg3 do you know how many endings there are this will be the last game you ever play friend !!!@@khosrowzare8301
I have never been a fan of turned based games, but tried bg3. And it has changed my perspective on gaming as a whole. We need more complete and engaging games
@@shadowmaster335 Too slow too complex and i dislike the dice chance system even more. But i can look past all that and ive even learned to like it somewhat because the rest of the game is absolutely amazing.
larian can afford 250+ actors for face capture and bethesda under microsoft comes out with 15 year old face exspression algorithm this is hillarious :D
Honestly, BG3 has taken me back to the fun I had with games like Dragon Age Origins and Oblivion and Fallout 3 and New Vegas. I really haven't felt like I've had this kind of RPG fun since those games. I loved Cyberpunk and Skyrim and quite a few other games but BG3 has truly taken me back to a game where almost everything is possible. I can completely say that Starfield, while I will likely enjoy it, will NOT have the same kind of enjoyment and freedom. Fallout 4 was fun but really requires mods for me to truly immerse myself. I expect Starfield will be the same. But I'm sure complaining will do nothing. I'm sure I'll see plenty of cosplay at the next convention I go to and I'm sure every "nerd" is going to praise it as if God gave us this game, even though it's just okay. I hate settling for "just okay" when we know great games are possible. And I especially hate "just okay" games getting such recognition that Starfield will probably legitimately be voted "GOTY" even thought it's just okay. Just okay is the modern GOTY. We are stuck in that hellscape of a gaming world.
@@benedictjajo What? Turn-based combat is competent? It's not even combat. It's role-playing mechanism for table-top. Imagine playing soccer or football in turn based mode and call it competent. You obviously misunderstand the goal of turn-base mechanism. It's for fantasy and role-play. It's not meant for competition.
@@haihuynh8337 Oh trust me. It can get difficult. It relies more on resource management, placement and strategy than real time combat so it does depend on preferance. Though as someone who does prefer real time combat, I can say a lot of games have lacking variety/ creativity in it recently including starfield.
@@crypticcryptid4702 do that resource management, placement and strategy in real time combat then you'd see how real time combat is much more difficult and requires a much sharper brain. Whatever you have to do in turn based combat, you'd have to in real time combat too but no laziness tolerated. Whatever you have to do in real time combat, you might not have to do in turn based combat. I don't need to trust you on this because I played both turn base combat and real time combat so I understand from personal experience the difference.
The RPG aspect of the games have been broken down so much over the years by greedy companies after a quick buck preying on the loyal fanbase of that genre to the point where its lost it's way. So when a company like Larian Studios comes along with a dev team of passionate RPG fans, its a breath of fresh air because it's going back to the RPG roots of what made the genre so good.
Larian (BG3) and Hello Games (NMS) deserve all the praise they are getting and more. They are doing everything right by the consumer and playerbase. Larian makes a REAL rpg for the ages with no micro transaction BS, Hello Games redeems their launch game with over SIX YEARS of FREE new content. I humbly bow to them, but Bethesda? They get a double middle finger from me.
@@Durkur_Owl I do agree they deserve the praise for making good games, and having some work ethic. However Hello Games is a 26 employees indie game company, Bethesda is around 400 and part of a larger group owned by an even larger group. You cant really compare the way both these companies work and operate their products. Larian has comparable size to BGS but they're indie too. And to answer the original post. That's some nice gatekeeping. You can always trust the purists to come and tell you what a true "name whatever" is because they're the only ones left with that knowledge of the ancient world. Would you believe it? Game companies trying to make new games mixing up genres. Unbelievable. Unforgivable. Make RPGs great again!!
Role-playing is as much present in BG3 as in Starfield unless you're talking about some other kind of "Role-playing" that I don't know of. The root of RPG? What are you talking about?
Starfield is a great game. The sentiment is negative in this particular community, but if you look to unbiased sources, the game is pretty positively received afaik. Bg3 is prob better overall but it’s ok to have a god tier game every now and then that will always be a step above the standard.
@@dadachannel123 not at all, that’s entirely subjective. I don’t know when you started gaming, but games used to cost like $40 and delivered like 2% of the content you get nowadays. Getting a game that delivers 100+ hours of content for $70 is probably a fair price increase. Gamers nowadays just have no idea how good things are. That, or there’s just a market for cynicism.
Im glad this wasnt just a small group of people, ive spent 180 hours in bg3 after launch and 80 in early access. The first 2 hours of bg3 sucked me in and hooked me. The first 10 hours of starfield has felt empty and boring. I hate that i feel this way because i was super hyped for starfield even though fallout 76 left a bad taste. Bg3 should win game of the year in my opinion. Its fucking amazing.
Morrowind, Skyrim, Fallout 3 & 4 were all sandboxes, but they all had an interesting or at least passable story as well as interesting factions. I'm not seeing that in starfield.
@@ysbrann3059 Yea the terrible weight system where u can barely pick up anything besides the guns you use, or even limiting the amount of guns you want to use because you run out of room makes it SUCH A GREAT SANDBOX WHERE YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. Friggin joke to call this game a sandbox with so many BASIC mechanics like more carry weight, starship targeting, starship building, weapon, outpost, and other craftings locked behind HOURS and HOURS of grinding. And you call it a sandbox? What a joke. In fallout you can use VATS right off the bat, you can craft most things as soon as you find the materials for them, you can build outposts right away, if you found a power armor you could use it and craft it right away, and skill points were instead spent on actual combat or other meaningful perks, not basic mechanics. And yea the weight system in fallout was stuck behind grinding also but it still was a way better system then what starfield has with the running out of oxygen and making you stand still for 30s crap. A way worse version of fallout in space is what Starfield is.
I dont play turn based games, but im loving BG3 because calling it turn based seems simplistic due to the fact that you're not glued to the spot like most turn based games. Yes. Each character takes a turn but you can position each character how you want. Send your archers and spell casters into the rafters so they can rain death down on those below. Teleport a healer out of the way, ensuring your companions can be revived easily. Have your fighter/ barbarian aggro the enemies so the rest can make some seriously cool tactical decisions without interference. Between spells, skills and magical gear and unrestricted movement around the environment, i just feel calling it turn based just doesnt sum it up.
That's how I felt since Divinity Original Sin 2 (The last game they worked on). It feels too simplistic to group this in with regular turn-based games. There are so many different kinds of turn-based games that stand out from the traditional Dragon Quest, FF, RPGmaker variety.
I'm loving starfield, however, yesterday I was doing a quest and a npc left me in a enemy ship on my own luck. Later on I found a way to get revenge betraying her AND finding a way out. Was mind-blown and instantly pick that option, and was anxious to see the result... and... nothing happened, she got away and confronted me with the most anticlimactic dialog ever and the quest moved on without any consequences
It has its issues but I’m loving it as well, I think the extreme hate is just because all these people that don’t play Bethesda rpgs we’re expecting this star citizen runner up, genre changing, game of a lifetime and got their expectations destroyed since they blew it up way too much. I set my expectations at a improved Skyrim/Fallout but in space and a much bigger scale and SF has fit that perfectly, I love Bethesda rpgs regardless of their issues because the rest makes up for that. It’s not genre defying but it’s still a good rpg. These peoples expectations were too high and now even through the good parts they are thinking of the game they thought up in their head and because of that can’t enjoy the good that’s there.
@@MegaTsab the hate comes from the horrible early game, the exploration that sucks and the amount of loadings, I hate how they don't hide the loadings to improve immersion, like on you're in a elevator, or grav jumping, why do the game needs to go black with a loading simbol?
@@MegaTsab on the contrary. It is exactly what I expected. An un-inventive, mediocre RPG set in space made by Bethesda. I never preordered it because I kept my expectations reasonable. It sounded amazing, but it's all about the application. They had a great opportunity here to shift things around and set the stage for their future and in my honest opinion they completely dropped the ball.
@@MegaTsabdude what exploration? Just say you are a Bethesda fanboy ? There is a reason it’s getting hate. The fact that the witcher 3 without mods looks better than that game lol also the story is the dumbest thing in all of gaming in the first 10 minutes a random guy gives you a ship for no apparent reason . Also Bethesda acknowledges themselves the worlds are empty as they go on the defense saying that astronauts in space felt emptiness in space lol dude the game is awful !! Don’t even try comparing it to Skyrim because Skyrim is don immersive
I've never played many turn based D&D games. BG3 is an amazing video game. I'm on my 2nd play through and it is even more fun this run. Ive found more things i missed on my 1st play through. The story is even different with my choices. I highly recommend getting this game.
Played a good guy custom char for first run, it was great. Started second as the Dark Urge and the play-through feels completely different. Also a bit lonely since 2 companions left me and 2 got uh, put out of commission.
I'm playing through Baldurs gate purely in multiplayer with 2 friends and we've had a blast. it's taking a bit longer for us than others due to real life commitments but one of my friends hates turn based combat and he still is managing to love the game partially because of the crazy freedom. we've been playing g pretty free-form just going with each other's decisions and one of my favorite moments is his obsession with the owl bear. he would not let us continue until we saved that little creature from the goblins.
I feel like the reason most people say they hate turn based games is because they only played bad turn based games. That's the whole reason why I started making my own turn based rpg where animations and transitions don't take 2h
@@amuro9624No, some of us just know we like faster paced and reactive combat, which makes it more engaging to those of us who don't enjoy turn based combat. I'll play a game despite the turn based combat because the systems (combat related or not) surrounding the turn based combat are good to me. For me what makes games with turn based combat systems fun can be a lot of things, just not the turn based combat. Edit: Corrected typos
Thing is Baldurs Gate 3 did nothing extraordinarily new, Divinity Original Sin 2 already did the formula well. The difference is that more DnD system is applied in BG3 and improved cutscene.
Need to wait for Definitive Edition tho. Then this is gonna be an 11/10 game. Guys literally've remade their own game twice at this point. With D:OS and D:OS 2. And I'm sure they'll do the same third time.
“Starfield is a Bethesda title” is even saying much. The game goes backwards on nearly every mechanic, no reverse pickpocketing, stealth either is broken or just ruined, multiple dialog options feels like a step back from even Skyrim. They’ll keep watering down their games more and more I guess.
I'm playing BG3 with 3 other friends IRL, and today we logged on and immediately went into a fight in act 3... it took us 5 hours non-stop fighting moving around 3 different floors, a couple of revives, am several knockdowns to finish the fight, we finally took a long rest and will continue tomorrow. 5 hours for one huge fight against like 30 enemies while everyone is talking shit in discord, just like a DnD session IRL. The friendly fire or someone making an mistake made it for the best moments, like scrambling to recover after someone accidentally used a fire spell near grease on the floor, or lightning where there is water, etc. We basically used ever spell and scroll we had to do whatever you can think of during those 5 hours.
this is what those industry insiders were warning everyone about before BG3 came out; BG3 is such a well made, well planned and well executed game, that everything released afterwards will be exposed almost immediately as either lazy or a fraud. Starfield is both. We shouldn't have to rely on a modding community to fix/add missing features and content that should be there in game on day 1.
It's interesting how we define RPG games when they have linear stories and when gems like Baldur's Gate 3 come out that doesn't really invent anything it just gives the player the freedom to face the story how he likes even going to the extreme of allowing you to choose or not choose any companion, suddenly we realize that the previous games were not good in the RPG aspect. That is to say, the pillars of an RPG game for me are a defined and immersive world, an interesting and interactive story with consequences and character development with how you want to build your own character or how others react to you. These are not unattainable goals, the problem is that it takes time to make it and with an industry that favors the massive production of low-quality video games to maximize income, they will obviously tell you that it is impossible. Also, it doesn't even have to be a massive open world, who cares that you can climb every mountain on the map if the vast majority have nothing, or forests or caves or houses with nothing, most players in these games just V line for the quests anyways after discovering nothing.
Areas were meant for outpost setup. Reason why there isn’t a lot point of interest. But you can’t please everyone with trying make different things to do. BG3 I probably play through it once or twice. Starfield I can play for years and mods will just add in those years
baldurs gate 3 has the illusion of choice. In act 3 and at the end of the game you realize that all your choices in bg3 meant absolutely nothing. You are only given two generic cookie cutter options on how you want to end the game and then don't get any sort of epilogue or wrap up like you did in act 1. The game just ends and all the characters you fought with for a hundred hours literally say "its been real, later"
@@aaronmontgomery2055 I swear I am going insane. People are talking about BG3 like it invented the concept of choice, good story, interesting companions etc... Meanwhile we have decades of an entire genre of games that does these things just as well as BG3. It just feels like BG3 introduced CRPGs to a huge audience who's closest relation to them was playing Mass Effect once, and now they think it's this breakthrough in gaming as a whole
@@ratbones9156 I try to consume the least SF news I can so I'm only on 5 rn, (I'm going to start a 6th tho ~peetlitchi on twitch lol excuse me for the plug~) so it's still manageable
I’m casual as fuck when it comes to games. I beat BG3 last night after 170hrs and theres a pit of darkness in my stomach because I will never have a solo gaming experience like that again 💔 I’m completely lost and have started watching D&D lore videos to cope
I'll eventually play starfield, but bg3 certainly raised the bar.. or rather started putting it back to where it should be. I don't need every game to be like it, but it really should push storytelling and player choice forward in other games.
BG3 has the right amount of combat, even someone who doesn't enjoy turn based should enjoy the combat in the game. It is very good, and it isn't really the focus of the game imo. How you progress through the game is the best part, and really the combat just happens as you go along. And a large portion of the combat is optional or avoidable. I'm on my 2nd playthrough and a lot has happened different than the first run. Love the game. once again glad I passed on starfield.
LOL, if someone doesn't enjoy turn based combat, that person would never enjoy combat in BG3. I'm one of the example. As soon as BG3 was declared to be turn based, I dropped it even though I like the world of Baldur's Gate. As a person who doesn't like turned based combat would find it illogical and lack of adrenaline rush. For me, turn base combat is reserved for pure traditional role play style.
@@haihuynh8337 I know lots of people who does not like turn-based combat and are thrilled with BG3. Some enjoyed the combat at the end because of the possibilities and creativity, and some don't but love the rest of the game, that just compensates it. I think it is a game that anybody could love, no matter their preferences.
@@haihuynh8337 You might enjoy the game. You're the only one missing out if you don't try it. Is one of the best games i've ever played. But to each their own.
@@emrwtf It comes down to personal preference. I prefer playing the role to lead a squad, not to babysit a squad in combat. Yet again, if someone doesn't enjoy turn-based combat, he/she can't enjoy BG3 combat because it's turn-based combat. Why do we have to talk about this fact?
borderlands is a looter shooter! the division is a looter shooter! destiny is a looter shooter! does any of those games have anywhere NEAR the amount of choice and player agency as starfield? absolutely not! so what is starfield then?
there are like 4 different alien movesets that you encounter and like 20 different alien species sprinkled around the game. like wtf? encountering the same fucking alien with the same fucking moveset every planet you go is just so fucking terrible.
I got it two days ago. I have never played a game like this before and I’m in love. I’m currently sitting at my desk at work…looking at videos about the game. I can’t wait to get home and get back into that world. I haven’t felt this way since Witcher 3. Where a game has taken over my thoughts and I just want to be in the world.
I remember seeing an interview with the lead writer at Bethesda, who was address fan critism over Fallout 4's shallow writing. He responded 'why add depth when huge amounts of players won't find or pay attention to the content,' or something to that effect.
Wow, that proved to be so spot on with their next game. People are shitting on Starfield and haven't even experienced big moments of the game, or opened up factions or betrayed them or whathaveyou. Look at Asmond himself who isn't finding or paying attention to the content. He just went to see 30 dad planets? big fukin deal. there are hundreds of those with same copy pasted content. What about the dozens upon dozens of planets you go to for quests? This game is so deep and you got dip shits on their TH-cam channel acting like they know something. This game is deep, no, no, I mean deeeep. You got to keep opening up the game and then you realize you haven't even scratched the surface. It's wild.
And Sven was asked a similar question where he said the complete opposite about rewarding the 1% and giving them as good an experience as the other 99. Think it was in the recent round of D&G interviews he done.
BG3 made me think about games differently. I now expect NPCs to react to my actions or have the option to go a different path. You could say that most games have a static storyline unlike BG3.
most good rpgs are like this. Baldurs gate 1 & 2, fallout 1, 2 & new vegas, arcanum, might and magic, etc... People just started to accept bad games over the years, so now that's the only thing AAA companies will deliver.
@@UncreativePF yeah, it's sad because we got so many games like this in the past... But now mainstream gaming is just about making money. A game of this scope is (I think) just too big for an indie team to make too. AA studios might keep giving us good crpgs thought, albeit very sparsely
I only really enjoyed one of the side quests I did throughout the whole game. I don’t remember the planet but there is a lab that is basically “Schrödingers lab” very cool concept that is WAY more exciting than even the main story.
No Man's Sky is the equivalent of "TONY STARK BUILT THIS IN A CAVE, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!". A tiny studio with next to no resources did better 7 years ago, there is no excuse for one of the largest AAA studios on earth to make a vastly worse game in 2023.
8:42 I felt that way about Oblivions graphics it was cutting edge, but by the time Skyrim came out I thought Bethesda's graphics lagged far behind the competition of the day. Crysis from 2007 had set the bar for what a videogame could look like and was still a graphical masterpiece juxtaposed with vanilla Skyrims flat looking shading and wonky meshes and textures. Battlefield 3 came out the same year as Skyrim and if you look at those two side by side they look a generation apart.
Bg3 is my first crpg but I’m glad i gave it a go. Getting better at it slowly but surely, but i’m having a lot of fun with the game. I really like the story and dialogue, the dungeons are really fun to explore, fights are really fun to do, and the choices with leveling up make for interesting builds. I haven’t played starfield but what i have seen, it just looks soulless and boring, like videos i have seen dont make me feel excited to play it just bored
I love skyrim man have somewhere around 5-7k hours at this point have a mod setup in the 2 thousands and I've played it since I was in Middle School, but story wise it barely compares to Baldurs gate 3 at all. You play in skyrim as the legendary Dragonborn who's literally a living demigod but it never seems to really matter, you save the world and only the guards really seem to react or you might get lucky with a single line of dialogue from an npc before they continue to belittle you like you don't know what you're doing. in Bg3 I always felt like I had control over the situations I was going into, my character wasn't centerstage demigod so it made sense that everyone didn't know you but there were plenty of examples where you were recognized for your deeds whether they were good or bad.
True, they are different rpg games. One is finished, full of details, satisfying to explore, great dialogues, solid role-play system AND there is a game with empty worlds, bugs, stupid dialogues, outdated overall.
As much as Baldurs gate 3 is better, it is not finished lol. You guys gotta stop saying this nonsense. It is still buggy and performance in late act 2 and act 3 is bad
@@managers6667haha lol lmao rofl. Yes they are. Act 3 was actually my favourite. Enjoy starfailed though and dont forget to upgrade your pc like toddy told you.
No mans sky is boring as hell. The people who enjoy RPGs like fallout/skyrim/starfield aren't the same game as no mans sky. The only similarity is they're both futuristic space games. That's literally the only similarity
My favorite moment in bg3 was during the Shar Gauntlet, where you had to do a stealth section. I fucking hated it, so I immediately gave up and tried having Gale cast Invisibility on me. Surely, I thought, surely these creatures have truesight. They didn't. The game just went "well, if you want to use a spell slot to skip this section, feel free." It felt so good to realize that I could take the easy way out at the cost of some resources, like a properly balanced game.
I’ve got 60 hours in and still have tons to do. It’s not as good as BG3 but I’m still having tons of fun. BG3 is exceptionally great, but Starfield is still worth it when you compare to the other trash that gets released at the same price.
@@octopusgoat2502 wowies so much to do game gets better after 10 hours yay thanks todd for giving me the same 20 aliens on all the planets i visit that move exactly the same. thanks for letting me go trough dozens of loading screens instead of actually flying my ship, thanks for all the fun i have doing the same quests i did in fallout and skyrim. so much fun such a great game.
BG3 I will agree with, Armored Core 6 not so much, its an amazing game sure. But it really does not have that much content, compared to BG3 or Starfield. if anything Armored Core 6 should have been 40 dollars. You can finish all of AC6 within a couple days. Bg3 I had 200+ hours on my first game, and I have 3 days of gametime on Starfield, and i'm not even close to done with it. So yeah, AC6 should have been cheaper.
Starfield should have just focused on our solar system. I feel they could have fleshed things out significantly and built their own unique take on our system in the future.
They didn't even need to focus on our solar system. They just needed to lower the amount of systems they made a fair bit. Have anywhere from 2-3 systems for each faction (Which I believe they have like 2 each iirc, didn't really pay attention to who owned what systems tbh), more fleshed out with unique locations (more than just 0-3 spots that are only generic), and have those spots have a more handcrafted "world" around them to visit with Procedural generated things in between, and make those procedural "dungeons" something that makes sense to have copies of (calling it a Forward Outpost base or w/e), which then at least makes it make sense for being the same building/outpost everywhere, and obviously have a few different iterations/types. Put in 1-3 zones as more of "contested" space, or just being discovered/explored, so the tension between factions trying to get control of them allows for a story telling of sorts, Few systems on the fringe for later game things, with again, at least a FEW interesting locations, whether that be scenery or locations, and from there you're pretty much done. If we take the maximum of the number for each that I mentioned, we're sitting at what, 12 different systems (not including corp factions you join as they don't really have territory in regards to systems, but you could still say something like Ryujin controls a world or two)? Make it 15 just for argument's sake, that's dramatically less than 100 systems, and now you can condense those occasional Unique type locations in all the other systems to those 15, making it feel more lively and more fun to explore just like that, as planets will have more locations to visit now. I definitely find Starfield fun, but it definitely didn't push any boundaries either. Sure they added in new things THEY had never done, but nothing that hasn't been seen elsewhere. Here's to hoping future patches and the DLC really flesh out everything more.
This is the biggest (valid) criticism. Bethesda never really did procedural gen content before so I'm not surprjsed it sucks. They should have stuck to their strengths, kept the amount of planets few, and handed crafted content on them.
@@tenesenka Yup. I'm for them learning it if it helps improve future games, but it definitely shouldn't have been basically the main staple of the game (I mean it theoretically isn't but also is).
The problem with Bethesda is that they don't really try to make a well designed game. They make games that are marketable. They want to wow you about how big the game is but they don't want to design an interesting world.
The problem is that you can only go so far before people start doubting every word coming out of your mouth. And that’s what has been happening since Failout 76. Sure you still have the blinded fanboys and shills, but if Bethesda keep going like this and shit a TES6 similar to Starfield, people will really NOT be happy. Especially after waiting more than a decade.
Scope doesn't mean what people think it means. People assume their scope was something like "a gigantic living, breathing universe of exploration and fun!" The actual scope was "how do we convincingly and easily make a universe that we don't have to tailor make" That was the scope. Which, actually, really isn't that big but the solution they landed on sucks terribly.
Wait, you're telling me that Baulder's Gate 3 good, and that Starfield bad?! Man I can't handle these original hot takes, can people make about fifty more videos/posts on the subject to make this point clearer?
As soon as I played BG3, I lost interest in any other game coming out this year because we all know gems like BG3 are once in a blue moon. It's on another level.
The only people who don't like bg3 are people who haven't tried it. Like let's be honest. Sure, out of a few thousand people, 1 might genuinely dislike the combat. But there's so much about the game that's just very well done, that people can't deny it's an amazing game. Steam gives you 2 hours to play before a return. Set a timer for 1hr 40mins, load up the game, and just play. Don't think about builds, don't think about quest consequences. Just talk to a few people, run through a few battles. Hit lvl 3 or 4 at the very least. If you still dislike the game, then I can respect that. I'm sick of people jumping on bandwagons about is a game good or bad because of social media.
Same boat for me. I cannot in good conscious pay more for Starfield than I did for Baldur's Gate. Voting with my dollar for where I want to see gaming go in the future
Problem with bethesda is they require the help from modders to ultimately fix there games. The only reason any bethesda games still being played today is because of mods if there were no mods available these games would have died out long ago.
@@squeezerdsqueezerd2427 Umm, yeah, I know. Why did you feel the need to respond particularly to my random comment that is obviously not entirely serious with something you can say anywhere about Beth? Also, don't discount the foundation work Beth does and the tools they provide for the modding community. I'm not trying to excuse Bethesda, but would you rather them use a different engine that they don't know all too well and that wouldn't be nearly as user-friendly for modders?
@@Verasoul Well... The modding community cannot *always* fix a game. If a game loses traction fast, then there won't be as many people modding the game as a hobby. So putting most of their resources into modability instead of the game is so high risk that it's stupid. And claiming a AAA game company has done such a thing is equally stupid. And the game is mediocre in every area. Far worse exploration than No man's sky which has 37 people working on it, a poor copy paste of cyberpunk 2077's combat, infinite loading screens, some of the worst AIs in gaming history, no role-playing elements at all plus incredibly poor optimization compared to games that has way more going on and they're selling such a game for $70. Anyone would be pretty freaking stupid to buy such a game at full price. You either play it on gamepass or buy it 3 years later on a 70% sale when the modders has already fixed most of the issues.
@@ryan.1990trust me. give it a try. im sure you’ve heard this everywhere about bg3, but i hate turn based and this game has changed my mind on the genre. i’ve never been a fan and just don’t enjoy the games that are turn based. bg3 truly is some magical game the way it made me rethink that. i’ve never had this much fun and enjoyed myself in a game over a decade. i still can’t believe i can confidently say one of my favorite games of all time is turn based… bg3 did that.
the turn based RNG combat systems dont interest me. xcom, battletech all piss me off. BUT i am willing to make an exception for BG3 simply because the game does it so well.
I just ragequitted Starfield, after persuading a person to give me her most precious item, without having any kind of leverage, on a ship full of guards, just by asking "can I have it? Can I have it? Can I have it?" In BG3 I talked Villains in to killing themselves, and it made more sense.
@@sanmar6292 The poor displacer beast...I felt that demons pain when I heard him say the beasts name..I'd feel bad too like killing your own pet would hurt so much
Divinity was a slog for me. So many aspects of the game drove me bananas. The improvements BG3 made is utterly incredible to the turn base model. They made it smooth and engaging. I find myself engulfed in battles, even when I lose I instantly want to try again. The story and characters have me locked in 100% of the time. Most of the time I'm bored playing other games, watching other shit while I grind for hours. Such a breath of fresh air. I thought these kinds of games were done, that the glory days of old were over, and Diablo 4 was proving it to me. I love BG3, take my money!!!! fuck Bethesda and Blizzard.
Indeed. Because every situation in bg3 is unique. There is no grind. Theres next to no backtracking. Theres no wandering through empty maps. Its incredibly dense.
Yeah Divinity was painful to play, but BG3 isn't perfect either. It could be so much better with some QoL features, and options to turn tedious things off, like seeing the dice roll animation every damn time. I don't give a fuck what sweaty DnD neckbeards say, but turn-based combat is worse than active with AI companions, like PoE and million other crpgs have. Absolutely wonderful game, filled with bugs and tedious design choises.
The difference between No Man’s Sky and Starfield is that when people complained, the NMS team apologized and committed to fixing it and making it meet and exceed what they had promised. Bethesda responded by lying, gaslighting, belittling, and blaming the customers. 🤦🏻♂️😂
"I can't believe that these companies have wound up 30 year old men to get in fights over who has the better piece of shit. 40 year old men. Your right!" - Asmongold
BG3 is incredible. It's massive I've played for 70 hours and I've got lost to do left in act 2. And I am going to play the game over again as evil and 0 save scumming (I'll admit I've save scummed a bit) and see what I can do. And then probably again as a different class.
@alexanderjakubowski5673 I haven't noticed any performance issues and beyond that just the gameplay and freedom in the game gives its more than a 70/100. I'd rate it at least a 9/10 game
I can't put it down, I'm on my third playthrough now with over 200 hours in the game. It's easily GOTY and nothing else this year even comes close. Maybe Armored Core 6 due to it's pure fun, excellent design and polish.
Same for me, after 240h of BG3, Starfield looks like a Fallout 4 mod and dialogue looks like dogshit Fast travel simulator and really slow to get in. I have 6 hours in Starfield PC (played with a 6950XT and 5800x3D I don't have too much problems with performances)
Doing better than me. Spent 30 minutes in a washed out looking cave trying to enable HDR or change contrast/brightness. Turns out HDR doesn't exist on steam version and there is no contrast OR brightness slider. Luckily there is a mod already, but fuck that I'll just play some more bg3 👍
Lol you are right Fast travel simulator that requires you to open 3 menus Just so you can Fast travel to near of the place you want and one more for the place you want
"Sand worm" was on the Moon in Mass Effect with a typical building with 3 open area and a bunch of Cerberus soldier. But that generic quest was a part of EDI which was sending signals to you.
"You're items, spells, and abilities are tools with which to prod and poke at the environment.." and class. there are so many variables it's crazy just to remember them all.
Man i cringed soooo hard when mxr praised the really bad menu/map/travel navigation saying “they made something small seem so massive” like bro… seriously?
MxR is a Bethesda fanboy, of course he would say that. Modding Bethesda games is also the main brand of his channel, so he would definitely praise Starfield to appeal to his fanbase.
@@joshmaag7018 it looks like something a 7 year old would come up with. Although it isn't bad and doesn't effect the game it could still be a lot better considering the budget of the game
Doubtful. Some basic things that Star Citizen does wouldn't be possible in Starfield. Like No Man's Sky, you can take off directly from and land directly on the planets. If you tried something like what Alanah Pearce did in Starfield, fly from one planet to the next conventionally instead of fast travel. It works in Star Citizen. Despite the setting they are completely different types of games.
@@darcrequiem the problem is in the engine itself, it would be easier for modders basically remade the whole game in a completely different engine, most likely Unity or UE, wich we already know that it is possible because all voxel crafting sims of Unity, and games like SpaceBourne 2. Some tricks could improve a bit the game like adding laoding screens simulating "hyperdrive" jump and stuff like that but at the end of the day this are just cheap tricks, that doesn't actually improve the immersion much.
@@efxnews4776 Oh I know the Creation Engine is the issue. It's why Starfield does such a piss poor job of using multiple threads. It can't even use a 6 core CPU to it's fullest. I mean the i3-13100 has no business performing better than a 5600X.....but it does in Starfield.
I haven't touched a turn based game since the 1 time I tried on a super nintendo. But, someone told me they too had felt the same way and they tried BG3 and it was amazing. I gave in an tried. he was right. It has to be turn based because there is so much shit going on. And it's only turn based for combat(or if you choose to turn on).
Kinda makes me sad that I used to be so excited for the new Cyberpunk DLC to come out but ever since I started playing BG3 I pretty much forgot the DLC is even a thing anymore. Haven't been this addicted to a game in forever. First night I played BG3 I was up playing til 4am and had to call in sick to work that day.
I get the thing about turn based gameplay, but after my friend forced me to try Divinity Original Sin 2, after a while i not only found the immersion in the game was amazing, but i even enjoyed the gameplay. Same goes for BG3... Even though in my mind I had always thought of turn-based gameplay as un-fun, giving it a real chance actually changed my mind. Opening your mind to other types of gaming experiences can often lead to surprising outcomes. I had the same experience with Collectible Card Games which I had always found uninteresting, but when at a LAN, I could not play on my gaming rig and had to use a measly laptop, I was forced to give a Hearthstone a try, which I actually ended up enjoying, contrary to my expectation and initial hesitancy. Now I enjoy anything from MMO's, MOBA's, FPS, TCG's, CRPG's, ARPG's, RPG's, Strategy, Survival and others. It gives me way more options for games to play, which means less downtime in good gaming options.
Was excited to try playing both, Got the starfield pre order from game pass fell asleep 4hrs in. Have been playing bg3 ever since never played a game like this every good roll i say to myself winners win its been great.
I think that’s probably not a good thing. It’s ok to just have a god tier game every now and then. When zealous players religiously stan the really good game and attack other games/communities over it, I think that actually sours the good thing.
What triggers me about all those comments saying "it's two different RPG" is that they truly miss the point. The article isn't mentioning any kind of gameplay or mechanics, only that Starfield feels bland because of it's "linearity", the fact that no ones react to what you do or what you've done make the world feels fake, whereas BG3 feels like a fully alive world.
if you were expecting anything good from Bethesda after Fallout 76, thats the real shocker. My expectations for Starfield were low but god damn that managed to go lower.
@@ysbrann3059 Of course they aim for different outcomes, the point is Baldur's Gate 3 more than got to the state they wanted it to get to. I haven't played either of them, but I have played Bethesda games before and Starfield doesn't look too much more impressive than their past titles.
@ysbrann3059 I just googled "Starfield budget," and it has several reputable news sites that say they tried to target 200 million, but they actually used 415 million instead across 500 talented developers.
To Asmon and other people who dont get the 2/10 ratings, the problem is the price. When you pay 5 $ in Taco Bell you know you're getting a soggy, diarrhea inducing mess overall a 5-6/10 meal. But if you bought a 15$ taco and it ended up tasting exactly the same its even worse. You can be mediocre or expensive, if you're both your product just becomes utter shit.
@@2014Almin that case Bethesda shouldn't be selling it separately rigth? If it was ONLY in gamepass, yeah be as mediocre as you want, but they are selling it full price so...
The Starfield launch really did suffer from bg3 releasing shortly before, showing ppl what could actually be done in a rpg. Especially with character development and interactions. And sheer possibilities solving problems/quests. BG3 has 96% Overwhelmingly positive atm and Starfield has 76% Mostly positive on steam.
I have never said this but bg3 actually helped with my depression, having a huge interactive world with hundreds of possibilities and a genuine feel of accomplishment when you do something. Its reignited my passion for a franchise other than pokemon. It genuinely is an amazing experience, and i reaaaallly want a dlc or second campaign Btw, redeemed durge is the canon ending fight me.
I haven't even found any dinosaurs yet, like massive jungle type environments with massive creatures. All I found were bugs and they're kind of all the same.
Yeah I agree. I think this is kind of the problem. With space exploration, nobody wants to really go to space in real life, because basically it's really boring and empty. Starfield has a really Star Wars type of vibe, except way more boring.@@21joebloe
I always found the 'realism' defense for starfield's completely lifeless universe weak... Until I found out about the alien genes and pseudo science magic bullshit, now that defense is hilarious.
Most games now days I expect padding, something slow and unfun or repetitive to boost the play time in a quick way. I kinda accepted this and have a ton of unfinished games where I just kinda went 'Meeh- I don't want to do this part...' or 'Eh- this is so samey... I want to do something new' I've over 100 hours in BG3 and there wasn't a single thing that felt like padding, every single area could hold a cool secret side quest/ adventure that can help or change outcomes in the future. I didn't think it could be done- but... yeah! Loved every second of BG3
The main thing that really turns me off of BG3 is that the game is apparently over 100 hours long and it seems like a huge committment for someone with a job and a life. It feels like it would take me years to complete.
It’s the same thing for me too. BG3 is what I’m into. Starfield feels dated even though it’s new. I’m on my second run through on BG3 and am experiencing a completely different game and I’m in Act 1.
I'm the dumbest gamer with zero brain function, never got into or played d&d once in my life, and Baldur's Gate is the single greatest gaming experience I've had, ever. It knocks the Elder Scrolls, Fallout, and Dragon Age series on their asses. The world, the acting, the story, the freedom and depth - it's so fucking good. The acting most of all for me is the best. Not only is there completely different dialogue for every choice you make that shapes the entire direction of the conversation (lines themselves reforming to better shape the conversation), but the motion acting is also in place for every line said by every character. They aren't generic movements that every NPC is programmed to perform at random intervals in a conversation to give the illusion of expression. They are captured movements from the actors, completely different in every single scene, making the most realistic and immersive characters I've ever seen in a video game. Even characters I don't like so much I've such an appreciation for. Baldur's Gate throws the Elder Scrolls, Fallout, and Dragon Age series out on their asses. I loved all those series dearly, and yet they don't hold a candle to this game.
Nah, it didn't take BG3 to ruin Starfield for me. Pretty much any other RPG game like FO:NV, Mass effect, Cyberpunk 2077, Witcher 3...hell, even Outer World manages to overshadow Starfield.
I've been a casual gamer, preferring games like Sims, FNaF, Minecraft, Roblox, Stardew Valley etc but decided to give BG3 a shot because of all the hype surrounding it (or more specifically, the characters). Was apprehensiveabout combat but holy shit, I am addicted. I have around 120 hours spread across 7 diff save files (I have a main but I like to switch) and I am COMPLETELY addicted and in love. I spend my entire days dreaming of playing BG3
If i'm not mistaken in ME4 you would be able to chose between one of the alien races to play, it is the rumor actually, but who knows? Or you could play No Man's Sky, and just choose your appearence to be of an alien, theres a bunch to choose from in the game.
i think Morrowind was my first Bethesda game, and while the games have gotten more pretty, it feels like each successive game from Bethesda removes some established interesting mechanic from their respective franchises. if you knew just a little bit about what you were doing in Morrowind you could fly around the world with an item that has a low level levitate enchant, render heavily armed and armored enemies completely immobile with another cheap enchanted item that fires a magic bolt that damages their strength stat, or craft your own spell that creates a mini nuke of poison, fire, cold, AND lightning damage all at once or a spell that made you glow, summoned some monsters, and made all of the NPCs in an area invisible. you could go into any house, building, and/or some dungeons that you wanted and claim it for yourself by killing all of the NPCs inside, and decorating it however you wanted with the items you collected. you could also enchant items or craft potions anywhere as long as you had some basic equipment/components with you. but then in the next game (Oblivion) you were only allowed to set up a base in specific houses (mostly ones you bought) (anywhere else would despawn all of your stuff after a few days), the ability to outright fly or teleport was taken away, and the ability to create enchanted items that you could use to actively cast spells was taken away, all weapon enchants became cast on striking and anything else you enchanted could only have passive effects and unless you were using a sigil stone you could only enchant at specific enchanting tables. to be fair they did add poisons that could be applied to weapons in this game (which is a very cool feature). then in Skyrim character stats were entirely removed so you couldn't even make a character that could jump very high, and the few remaining utility spells like hoptoad and water walk were stripped away, the ability to craft enchanted effects using the spells you know was stripped out entirely, and only strictly curated enchanted effects that you copied from SOME (there are many effects you aren't even allowed to copy) other enchanted items could be used. all crafting of any kind is only done at specific crafting locations. an honorable mention goes out to making the conjured weapons weak and useless past mid game levels. again to be fair they did add the ability to craft weapons and armor from raw materials to the game. in VANILLA Morrowind you had the ability to fly around, nuke entire buildings full of people, and then take up residence in whatever building (and/or some dungeons) that you cleared, and make all manner of crazy magical artifacts, and potions at will and whatever spell you wished with whatever effect you had access to, cast at whatever targets you wished crafted at certain NPCs. all while teleporting around the world. now in vanilla Skyrim you gain the ability to use poisons on weapons and craft equipment (two very cool features) at the cost of many cool spell effects, the ability to craft interesting unique magical artifacts or spells, the freedom to claim almost any home you wished as your own, and the general ability to fly around and be a demigod in the world. the fallout series seems to be following a similar trend. it just feels like each new Bethesda game takes one step forward and then actively sprints five to ten steps back.
Its so weird that a game made a decade later than Fallout 4 has nearly everything downgraded. Fallout 4 has a better story, NPC interactions, exploration, customization, and the plot was conpletely determined by your desicions in the game.
7:33 Faerun is the setting of BG3 and most dnd set in the Forgotten Realms. It's been added to and reinterpreted by dozens of professional writers since the 1970's. This is why it feels so alive, and Larian's respect for and tinkering with all of the history that the setting has to offer is a big part of their success. Settings that are just cobbled together from a few vague notions (looking at starfield, AC6 and even Elder Scrolls) are gonna look pretty shallow in comparison, but that isn't to their discredit.
The majority of the people defending Starfield aren’t “Xbox Fans” it’s Bethesda fans and majority of Bethesda fans are on PC(For the mods). If you’re a fan of Bethesda games like Skyrim and Fallout then you like Starfield. If you never liked Skyrim and Fallout then you hate on Starfield. Don’t know what those people expected.
It's weird, cuz I'm having a great time with starfield, but BG3 really did kinda fuck my perspective on every rpg now. everything feels insanely restrictive, and things that would impress me in starfield don't because BG3 managed to do things to a higher degree or effect with consequences/choices.
Before BG3 i was super hyped for Starfield. After playing BG3 i never even thought about Starfield again. THE BAR IS RAISED! thx LARIAN!
i read the bear is raised ^^. and i had different thoughts then ^^
That's good and bad. Now the bar is raised it will be harder to find games you deem worthy
The original was a amazing game so much better then anything else at the time and that was 25 years ago, i was 10 at the time and i loved it then and other games couldn't offer what it could, i still played and enjoyed other games
Before people started comparing BG3 to Starfield, I didn't know Starfield existed.
Because I don't pay attention to what awful developers do, no matter what they spend on marketing.
How can a worse game raise the bar?
Baldurs gate 3 is a true game that we as a gaming community want more of. Not all this cash grabs and paying for skins or simply one colour on halo💀 Though if it comes down to additional content and map add ons to BG3 I’d gladly put money into it cause it’s actually worth what you pay
I love how people pretend BG3 and Elden Ring are the only games without MTX
@@pokermitten9795 They’re obviously not the only ones. But in terms of actual community engagement and service to the dnd community. This game has made a lot of people very happy. As well it doesn’t have the issues current developers like to take advantage of with cash grabs for small things.
@@pokermitten9795they don’t it’s just you who sees it that way
I hear you. But I don’t think starfield is one of those games is either.
Funny thing is, i would happily throw some more cash to larian even if they make some minor cosmetics
In Skyrim, you're trying to stop a dragon god from ending the world. In Fallout 4 you're trying to find the man who murdered your spouse and took your son. In Starfield you're trying to assemble a 3d jigsaw puzzle.
Haha accurate! All the while I’ve been Starfield, I just wanted to play either Skyrim or Mass Effect.
Nah, all Todd Fallout about searching for family members and all those games are literal trash. Convoluted design, same as Starfield, town of slavers, town of children, town of children again, another town of slavers, town of 4 group of slavers in DLC. Only one time Bethesda somehow managed to get Fallout right is a Far Harbor.
You can't tell me Fallout 3 or 4 are good games.
In Starfield you're trying to find aliens or maybe even God themself through the artefacts. I know Haha el funny joke but there's more to it.
@@ArteriusSaren I think if you use a scale of Bad/Okay/Good, a lot of games that are not great will still qualify as good. Fallout 4 might be one of them even if the depth in story and dialogue is not great, the impact of choices are almost non-existent and that the settlement building was at best in beta at release. Fallout 3 would fall shorter for sure. It's an Okay game. Skyrim would definitely be a good game but still a far stretch from a really great game that gets 9/10. In the end, the mods are the reason those game get where they should belong.
Come on guys it’s time to realize Skyrim was this same nonsense. Nearly every issue people bring up about starfield is as bad or worse in Skyrim.
Just finished my first BG3 playthrough with one character at 114 hours enjoyed every second didn't even finish everything in the game. Also started a new playthrough as the dark urge, the game is just genuinely that good
I'm at 70 hours in BG3, still in act 2, I'm gonna do the same after I'm done, gonna play dark urge and pick all dark urge choices. And I don't play CRPGs and never played DnD.
What exactly is this game?
What I keep seeing is very edgy characters and something that looks like strategy combat? But it's also multiplayer and focused on the roll playing elements...
Very confusing. Just keep hearing it's good but never what exactly it is and why.
it's CRPG, I'm sure you've seen people say that and also compare with other games in the same genre, idk what you've been reading but everyone is also saying why it's good. If you don't know what crpg is, you have wikipedia @@poppi3362
@@poppi3362 has nothing to do with multiplayer. It's a turn based game from the same creators as Divinity's Original Sin (1 and 2). It's a single player game but it can be played in co-op up to 4 players as a full party; if you play solo you get to add 3 other NPC companions to your party.
Game is really good because, just like Divinity's Original Sin 2, you can do ANYTHING you want, the engine makes everything in the game interactable and attackable, meaning you can be creative with how you deal with enemies (you can pick up a box, fill it with water, drop it on top of an enemy, this soaks the ground and his clothing, then you can cast a lightening based spell onto the water in the ground and the enemy is eletrecuted).
Don't know where you picked up the "edgy characters", they're all well written, albeit funny and not too serious.
@@wythore oh okay I think I get it now, thank you.
I meant edgy as in some of the characters appearance I have seen leans a lot on the fantasy trope.
I don't like turn based gameplay, but love BG3, I feel like this is THE game to give turn based another shot. Theres just soo much more around the tun based combat which makes it great. I wish asmon would give it a try.
The turn based combat is like 10% of the total experience you'd get from the game. Even if someone doesn't like the combat, there's still a lot more they'd get out of it.
he did play it when it's on early access like 2 years ago, it's on yt
i mean that and dragon quest wich is the old usual relianble
I hate turn based combat but I like the combat in bg3 cause of the random stuff you can do, like throwing people at other people like footballs and stuff
Asmon played BG3 in alpha like a year or two ago
I love hearing Bald Man compare all these games to BG3 when we know he’ll never play it
I gotta make a vid calling him out 😂
he play early acces, was actually a fun stream. I think the vod is in this channel
@@doyouevenpraise189 I remember Asmon talking about that he played Baldur's Game 3 in early access years ago
Who cares if he plays it or not
@@joemomma534 I agree^
I have never played a Crpg in my life but after hearing so many good things about the game i gave it a go.
I played it in balance for my 1st play through and i barely scraped by and finished the game.
I didn't use any specific builds from TH-cam or any other guide videos. Just me and my understanding of the game and it was an awesome experience.
Edit: The game got so overwhelming for me that I completely missed Laziel on my 1st play through. I didn't knew she was a companion and got to know about her when I saw her on a random video and by that time I was in act 3. So i completely missed her story never met any gith people and my 1st encounter of them was the imprisoned Gith prince. Lol
If you like Larian's style, try Divinity 1&2.
If you want something more Diablo-esque, try Grim Dawn.
@@drearmouse9510also Tyranny if you like Pillars of Eternity made by the same developer Obsidian, pretty underrated game in my opinion Although don't expect the same level of depth and quest design as BG3 it's a different experience but pretty amazing also both DOS games are awesome and they are from Larian
@@drearmouse9510both pillars and bg3 hit like dragon age hit such a great experience
@@river7874 Grim Dawn is so underrated. The multiclass system is so cool.
Pillars of eternity/Divinity original sin were "good enough" experience for me in this genre 👀ツ
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I think the thing I like the most about BG 3 is that dungeons lead to a unique item. Not just a generic weapon that does 5% more damage, but items that actually open up to more ways to play the game.
Case example I was exploring the abandoned village in act one and got to a basement that belonged to a dude that was experimenting with neceomancy, on that same area I found a scroll that allowed me to summon a little demon, this scroll was the same as the spell available to warlocks so I thought it was no diferent than the normal spell. But after I made Gale learn it and cast it, to my surprise the little fella is fully voice acted and actually talked to me about how his boring master made him fetch bodies for his experiments but now he is happy he doesn't has to follow his orders. He also talks about the book he was studying and that he believed I could actually finish the research his master couldn't.
After getting to the end of the basement I found the book Fork (I changed the little bastard name) told me about, a key was needed to open the book, after searching the room I found a note of the apprentice of the mage who said he hide the key down the well. I go then to the well and oh boy is another entire new area full of giant spiders and a boss fight.
It takes me a lot of effort but I manage to achieve victory and get the key along some other unique item. Now I can unlock the book and gain access to a new questline related to it that I don't want to spoil.
All of this just because I was looting some junk in an abandoned house. Had I just beelined straight to the next main point of interest I would had missed all of this.
Daaaamn, I thought it was a generic spell scroll and sold it!
Hell yeah, I completely missed that basement in my first playthrough and didn't even know it existed until a friend of mine commented about the giant spider under the first village. So much content in this game. Easily going to take me at least 2 more playthroughs to find everything.
That necromancy book also gives your character either a permanent (not fully sure) debuff, or a permanent (very sure) buff depending on how far you get reading it, without failing a roll.
Another example is something during the main story. Won't spoil, but depending on your actions, and which character you use to interact with it, will either give you a massive passive buff, or a short-term debuff. The chances of naturally stumbling upon the route of actions needed to take to get that buff, would be very slim. You pretty much need to know it exists, to find out it exists. There's not even a message saying "you got x buff, now your Y ability is a bonus action, instead of a normal action".
Plenty of games have unique items attached to quests.
Hold onto that Necromancy of Thay book until Act 3 and you can actually learn a way to finish reading it, giving the reader access to one of the most powerful spells in game.
I haven't played a single player game in years and I'm fucking addicted to bg3. The feeling you get when you solve a problem in a way that feels unique is awesome. I was playing earlier today and came across a locked gate. I wasn't sure it'll what was behind it would be worth wasting the resources. I just found a bunch of boxes, stacked them up, and jumped over the gate. But I could tell there were several avenues for me to get back there
It took me until my 3rd playthrough to realize dropping something through the ceiling of the building before entering from the back door made every guard inside go investigate the noise and gather together, ready to be AoEd.
@@khosrowzare8301 what do you mean dropping through the ceiling?
@@badger297 Near the start of the game, there is this ruin (where you meet the respec guy inside). There are several ways to get in (a door on the cliff side, the main door, etc). One way is to drop a large stone hanging above the yard to create a hole you can jump into. But if you drop the stone, but take another way inside, all the guards are in the room where the stone dropped through the ceiling, near some conveniently-placed explosive barrels ready to get destroyed.
After three playthroughs (well, I'm in my third one), I still manage to find new ways to do things and I consider myself to be a completionist.
@@khosrowzare8301 is better to pass deception roll massive approval gains
sir i beg you dont have the completionist mindset with bg3 do you know how many endings there are this will be the last game you ever play friend !!!@@khosrowzare8301
I have never been a fan of turned based games, but tried bg3. And it has changed my perspective on gaming as a whole. We need more complete and engaging games
i am curious, what is the reason for your dislike of turn based?, like seriously
@@shadowmaster335 It's boring, clunky, slow, etc.
@@shadowmaster335 Too slow too complex and i dislike the dice chance system even more.
But i can look past all that and ive even learned to like it somewhat because the rest of the game is absolutely amazing.
The bit about the ogres, you can also talk them into becoming mercenaries for you if your persuasion is good enough
yep they work for me now, although it does cost me everytime they help.
@@roostre5254you pay them? Lol they can do it for free 😂
Or you can fight them and get a sick item .
summoning them against the adamantine golem was a sight to see
@@amuro9624 the thing is, they attack everybody, even the neutral npc's, except your party ofc.. but that dudes is just pure chaos man :D
larian can afford 250+ actors for face capture and bethesda under microsoft comes out with 15 year old face exspression algorithm this is hillarious :D
Baldur’s Gate was such a good game, it got me interested in D&D.
D&D 5e is a great gateway into tabletop RPGs. Then you can give Pathfinder a go.
Play pathfinder instead
@@Draclord35 Or the Warhammer fantasy system. I prefer it over 5e and Pathfinder
One of us! ONE OF US!!!
5e is good for beginners but 3.5 is where dnd is the best
Honestly, BG3 has taken me back to the fun I had with games like Dragon Age Origins and Oblivion and Fallout 3 and New Vegas. I really haven't felt like I've had this kind of RPG fun since those games. I loved Cyberpunk and Skyrim and quite a few other games but BG3 has truly taken me back to a game where almost everything is possible. I can completely say that Starfield, while I will likely enjoy it, will NOT have the same kind of enjoyment and freedom. Fallout 4 was fun but really requires mods for me to truly immerse myself. I expect Starfield will be the same. But I'm sure complaining will do nothing. I'm sure I'll see plenty of cosplay at the next convention I go to and I'm sure every "nerd" is going to praise it as if God gave us this game, even though it's just okay.
I hate settling for "just okay" when we know great games are possible.
And I especially hate "just okay" games getting such recognition that Starfield will probably legitimately be voted "GOTY" even thought it's just okay.
Just okay is the modern GOTY. We are stuck in that hellscape of a gaming world.
Everything is possible? Real time combat?
@@haihuynh8337at least it has competent combat unlike starfield.
@@benedictjajo What? Turn-based combat is competent? It's not even combat. It's role-playing mechanism for table-top.
Imagine playing soccer or football in turn based mode and call it competent.
You obviously misunderstand the goal of turn-base mechanism. It's for fantasy and role-play. It's not meant for competition.
@@haihuynh8337 Oh trust me. It can get difficult. It relies more on resource management, placement and strategy than real time combat so it does depend on preferance. Though as someone who does prefer real time combat, I can say a lot of games have lacking variety/ creativity in it recently including starfield.
@@crypticcryptid4702 do that resource management, placement and strategy in real time combat then you'd see how real time combat is much more difficult and requires a much sharper brain.
Whatever you have to do in turn based combat, you'd have to in real time combat too but no laziness tolerated.
Whatever you have to do in real time combat, you might not have to do in turn based combat.
I don't need to trust you on this because I played both turn base combat and real time combat so I understand from personal experience the difference.
The RPG aspect of the games have been broken down so much over the years by greedy companies after a quick buck preying on the loyal fanbase of that genre to the point where its lost it's way. So when a company like Larian Studios comes along with a dev team of passionate RPG fans, its a breath of fresh air because it's going back to the RPG roots of what made the genre so good.
Larian (BG3) and Hello Games (NMS) deserve all the praise they are getting and more. They are doing everything right by the consumer and playerbase. Larian makes a REAL rpg for the ages with no micro transaction BS, Hello Games redeems their launch game with over SIX YEARS of FREE new content. I humbly bow to them, but Bethesda? They get a double middle finger from me.
The companies are just a byproduct of poor consumer spending.
@@Durkur_Owl I do agree they deserve the praise for making good games, and having some work ethic. However Hello Games is a 26 employees indie game company, Bethesda is around 400 and part of a larger group owned by an even larger group. You cant really compare the way both these companies work and operate their products. Larian has comparable size to BGS but they're indie too.
And to answer the original post. That's some nice gatekeeping. You can always trust the purists to come and tell you what a true "name whatever" is because they're the only ones left with that knowledge of the ancient world. Would you believe it? Game companies trying to make new games mixing up genres. Unbelievable. Unforgivable. Make RPGs great again!!
Role-playing is as much present in BG3 as in Starfield unless you're talking about some other kind of "Role-playing" that I don't know of.
The root of RPG? What are you talking about?
Baldurs Gate 3 reminded gamers how great games can be
Starfield is a great game. The sentiment is negative in this particular community, but if you look to unbiased sources, the game is pretty positively received afaik. Bg3 is prob better overall but it’s ok to have a god tier game every now and then that will always be a step above the standard.
Bethesda is a great Indie company give them time ....... 😐
@@cgijoe5671one is asking 10$ more, there's something wrong here.
@@dadachannel123 not at all, that’s entirely subjective. I don’t know when you started gaming, but games used to cost like $40 and delivered like 2% of the content you get nowadays. Getting a game that delivers 100+ hours of content for $70 is probably a fair price increase. Gamers nowadays just have no idea how good things are. That, or there’s just a market for cynicism.
@@cgijoe5671 this is about as unbiased as I've seen in a community
Im glad this wasnt just a small group of people, ive spent 180 hours in bg3 after launch and 80 in early access. The first 2 hours of bg3 sucked me in and hooked me. The first 10 hours of starfield has felt empty and boring. I hate that i feel this way because i was super hyped for starfield even though fallout 76 left a bad taste. Bg3 should win game of the year in my opinion. Its fucking amazing.
Starfield is a sandbox, it s only boring if you don t know what you wan t to do
Morrowind, Skyrim, Fallout 3 & 4 were all sandboxes, but they all had an interesting or at least passable story as well as interesting factions. I'm not seeing that in starfield.
@@Flyon86even the looting in starfield just isn’t fun or interesting at all compared to previous Bethesda releases
@@ysbrann3059 Yea the terrible weight system where u can barely pick up anything besides the guns you use, or even limiting the amount of guns you want to use because you run out of room makes it SUCH A GREAT SANDBOX WHERE YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. Friggin joke to call this game a sandbox with so many BASIC mechanics like more carry weight, starship targeting, starship building, weapon, outpost, and other craftings locked behind HOURS and HOURS of grinding.
And you call it a sandbox? What a joke. In fallout you can use VATS right off the bat, you can craft most things as soon as you find the materials for them, you can build outposts right away, if you found a power armor you could use it and craft it right away, and skill points were instead spent on actual combat or other meaningful perks, not basic mechanics. And yea the weight system in fallout was stuck behind grinding also but it still was a way better system then what starfield has with the running out of oxygen and making you stand still for 30s crap. A way worse version of fallout in space is what Starfield is.
@@JoshDragRace0688 thanks i don't want to explore boring ass planets lol
I dont play turn based games, but im loving BG3 because calling it turn based seems simplistic due to the fact that you're not glued to the spot like most turn based games. Yes. Each character takes a turn but you can position each character how you want. Send your archers and spell casters into the rafters so they can rain death down on those below. Teleport a healer out of the way, ensuring your companions can be revived easily. Have your fighter/ barbarian aggro the enemies so the rest can make some seriously cool tactical decisions without interference. Between spells, skills and magical gear and unrestricted movement around the environment, i just feel calling it turn based just doesnt sum it up.
That's how I felt since Divinity Original Sin 2 (The last game they worked on). It feels too simplistic to group this in with regular turn-based games. There are so many different kinds of turn-based games that stand out from the traditional Dragon Quest, FF, RPGmaker variety.
The game actually wouldn't be as good as it is if it wasn't turn based. It allows it to unlock more creativity and depth to combat
@@MEGATR000N 100% agree
@Drstrange3000 I never played DOS 2, but after loving this so much, im definitely gonna buy it.
@@SatiricalAcuteMeta4 Oh wow, cool! I hope you enjoy it as well!
I'm loving starfield, however, yesterday I was doing a quest and a npc left me in a enemy ship on my own luck. Later on I found a way to get revenge betraying her AND finding a way out. Was mind-blown and instantly pick that option, and was anxious to see the result... and... nothing happened, she got away and confronted me with the most anticlimactic dialog ever and the quest moved on without any consequences
It has its issues but I’m loving it as well, I think the extreme hate is just because all these people that don’t play Bethesda rpgs we’re expecting this star citizen runner up, genre changing, game of a lifetime and got their expectations destroyed since they blew it up way too much. I set my expectations at a improved Skyrim/Fallout but in space and a much bigger scale and SF has fit that perfectly, I love Bethesda rpgs regardless of their issues because the rest makes up for that. It’s not genre defying but it’s still a good rpg. These peoples expectations were too high and now even through the good parts they are thinking of the game they thought up in their head and because of that can’t enjoy the good that’s there.
@@MegaTsab the hate comes from the horrible early game, the exploration that sucks and the amount of loadings, I hate how they don't hide the loadings to improve immersion, like on you're in a elevator, or grav jumping, why do the game needs to go black with a loading simbol?
@@MegaTsab on the contrary. It is exactly what I expected. An un-inventive, mediocre RPG set in space made by Bethesda. I never preordered it because I kept my expectations reasonable. It sounded amazing, but it's all about the application. They had a great opportunity here to shift things around and set the stage for their future and in my honest opinion they completely dropped the ball.
@@MegaTsabdude what exploration? Just say you are a Bethesda fanboy ? There is a reason it’s getting hate. The fact that the witcher 3 without mods looks better than that game lol also the story is the dumbest thing in all of gaming in the first 10 minutes a random guy gives you a ship for no apparent reason . Also Bethesda acknowledges themselves the worlds are empty as they go on the defense saying that astronauts in space felt emptiness in space lol dude the game is awful !! Don’t even try comparing it to Skyrim because Skyrim is don immersive
Gargling Bethesda gravy is some palpable copium
I've never played many turn based D&D games. BG3 is an amazing video game. I'm on my 2nd play through and it is even more fun this run. Ive found more things i missed on my 1st play through. The story is even different with my choices. I highly recommend getting this game.
Played a good guy custom char for first run, it was great.
Started second as the Dark Urge and the play-through feels completely different. Also a bit lonely since 2 companions left me and 2 got uh, put out of commission.
I'm playing through Baldurs gate purely in multiplayer with 2 friends and we've had a blast. it's taking a bit longer for us than others due to real life commitments but one of my friends hates turn based combat and he still is managing to love the game partially because of the crazy freedom.
we've been playing g pretty free-form just going with each other's decisions and one of my favorite moments is his obsession with the owl bear. he would not let us continue until we saved that little creature from the goblins.
Now you are talking like a true dnd player xD. Schedule is the biggest enemy
I feel like the reason most people say they hate turn based games is because they only played bad turn based games. That's the whole reason why I started making my own turn based rpg where animations and transitions don't take 2h
@@amuro9624No, some of us just know we like faster paced and reactive combat, which makes it more engaging to those of us who don't enjoy turn based combat.
I'll play a game despite the turn based combat because the systems (combat related or not) surrounding the turn based combat are good to me.
For me what makes games with turn based combat systems fun can be a lot of things, just not the turn based combat.
Edit: Corrected typos
@@diego032912 None of what you said contradicts what I've said. You're actually proving my point
Thing is Baldurs Gate 3 did nothing extraordinarily new, Divinity Original Sin 2 already did the formula well. The difference is that more DnD system is applied in BG3 and improved cutscene.
BG3 is just something else, a true gem of our time
Is a bit sad that I kinda rushed rhe game on release and encountered soo many act 3 bugs
Need to wait for Definitive Edition tho.
Then this is gonna be an 11/10 game.
Guys literally've remade their own game twice at this point. With D:OS and D:OS 2. And I'm sure they'll do the same third time.
well, it is divinity original sin 3 with forgotten realms license
@@swordonline5026 Just play again as the dark urge or w/e. the game really does change quite a bit with different decisions.
@@JoshDragRace0688and Minthara alone makes an evil run worth it
“Starfield is a Bethesda title” is even saying much. The game goes backwards on nearly every mechanic, no reverse pickpocketing, stealth either is broken or just ruined, multiple dialog options feels like a step back from even Skyrim.
They’ll keep watering down their games more and more I guess.
You can't even swim underwater. That's been in every Bethesda game since Morrowind 20 years ago.
They put in less effort because they know based on pre orders that people will still buy half baked garbage. It will never change.
I'm playing BG3 with 3 other friends IRL, and today we logged on and immediately went into a fight in act 3... it took us 5 hours non-stop fighting moving around 3 different floors, a couple of revives, am several knockdowns to finish the fight, we finally took a long rest and will continue tomorrow. 5 hours for one huge fight against like 30 enemies while everyone is talking shit in discord, just like a DnD session IRL. The friendly fire or someone making an mistake made it for the best moments, like scrambling to recover after someone accidentally used a fire spell near grease on the floor, or lightning where there is water, etc. We basically used ever spell and scroll we had to do whatever you can think of during those 5 hours.
this is what those industry insiders were warning everyone about before BG3 came out; BG3 is such a well made, well planned and well executed game, that everything released afterwards will be exposed almost immediately as either lazy or a fraud. Starfield is both. We shouldn't have to rely on a modding community to fix/add missing features and content that should be there in game on day 1.
It's interesting how we define RPG games when they have linear stories and when gems like Baldur's Gate 3 come out that doesn't really invent anything it just gives the player the freedom to face the story how he likes even going to the extreme of allowing you to choose or not choose any companion, suddenly we realize that the previous games were not good in the RPG aspect.
That is to say, the pillars of an RPG game for me are a defined and immersive world, an interesting and interactive story with consequences and character development with how you want to build your own character or how others react to you. These are not unattainable goals, the problem is that it takes time to make it and with an industry that favors the massive production of low-quality video games to maximize income, they will obviously tell you that it is impossible.
Also, it doesn't even have to be a massive open world, who cares that you can climb every mountain on the map if the vast majority have nothing, or forests or caves or houses with nothing, most players in these games just V line for the quests anyways after discovering nothing.
Man discovers CRPGs for the first time:
Areas were meant for outpost setup. Reason why there isn’t a lot point of interest. But you can’t please everyone with trying make different things to do. BG3 I probably play through it once or twice. Starfield I can play for years and mods will just add in those years
I mean these games exist, people just don't play them for some reason.
baldurs gate 3 has the illusion of choice. In act 3 and at the end of the game you realize that all your choices in bg3 meant absolutely nothing. You are only given two generic cookie cutter options on how you want to end the game and then don't get any sort of epilogue or wrap up like you did in act 1. The game just ends and all the characters you fought with for a hundred hours literally say "its been real, later"
@@aaronmontgomery2055 I swear I am going insane. People are talking about BG3 like it invented the concept of choice, good story, interesting companions etc... Meanwhile we have decades of an entire genre of games that does these things just as well as BG3. It just feels like BG3 introduced CRPGs to a huge audience who's closest relation to them was playing Mass Effect once, and now they think it's this breakthrough in gaming as a whole
It's like a drinking game, everytime the empty scope of Starfield gets probed, I start a new BG3 playthrough
wow that is a LOT of playthroughs. how are you ever going to finish them in your lifespan?
@@ratbones9156 I try to consume the least SF news I can so I'm only on 5 rn, (I'm going to start a 6th tho ~peetlitchi on twitch lol excuse me for the plug~) so it's still manageable
You'll never get out of character creator at that rate
@@Thickolas I'm actually out! I got one game in the gauntlet and one tackling the underdark
Probably better than playing long enough to get to Act 3 and see how much of a buggy mess it actually is.
I’m casual as fuck when it comes to games. I beat BG3 last night after 170hrs and theres a pit of darkness in my stomach because I will never have a solo gaming experience like that again 💔 I’m completely lost and have started watching D&D lore videos to cope
Play it again :D i can guarantee you, that even if you tried, you couldnt play exactly the same path you did the first time.
The dark urge is calling
Tike to play a new round with a different build and approach!
You’ve leveled up you are no longer a casual!
I was just like you man. Now I'm on my 4th playthrough with 400hrs on the game, its definitely worth more than 1 playthrough
I'll eventually play starfield, but bg3 certainly raised the bar.. or rather started putting it back to where it should be. I don't need every game to be like it, but it really should push storytelling and player choice forward in other games.
Even comparing bg3 to past really good RPGs it brought the bar back to were it should be and then raised it some mor
honestly i dont think games have ever been on the level that BG3 is at.
@@Matt-bg5wg Then you have not been playing good games.
@@Matt-bg5wgIt was, but those games have "bad grafix!!!11", so less people had the chance to try them
@@masterlinktmI you didn't play baldurs gate 3, not even Witcher 3 got close to it.
BG3 has the right amount of combat, even someone who doesn't enjoy turn based should enjoy the combat in the game. It is very good, and it isn't really the focus of the game imo. How you progress through the game is the best part, and really the combat just happens as you go along. And a large portion of the combat is optional or avoidable. I'm on my 2nd playthrough and a lot has happened different than the first run. Love the game. once again glad I passed on starfield.
LOL, if someone doesn't enjoy turn based combat, that person would never enjoy combat in BG3.
I'm one of the example. As soon as BG3 was declared to be turn based, I dropped it even though I like the world of Baldur's Gate.
As a person who doesn't like turned based combat would find it illogical and lack of adrenaline rush. For me, turn base combat is reserved for pure traditional role play style.
@@haihuynh8337 I know lots of people who does not like turn-based combat and are thrilled with BG3. Some enjoyed the combat at the end because of the possibilities and creativity, and some don't but love the rest of the game, that just compensates it. I think it is a game that anybody could love, no matter their preferences.
@@ternemoy3689 The same goes for any game mechanism.
@@haihuynh8337 You might enjoy the game. You're the only one missing out if you don't try it. Is one of the best games i've ever played. But to each their own.
@@emrwtf It comes down to personal preference. I prefer playing the role to lead a squad, not to babysit a squad in combat.
Yet again, if someone doesn't enjoy turn-based combat, he/she can't enjoy BG3 combat because it's turn-based combat. Why do we have to talk about this fact?
Like many have said, Bethesda "rpgs" are shooter looters disguised as an rpg
Easy mode shooter looters with rpg elements yeah
@@joshholmes1372 with bullet sponge difficulty ...
borderlands is a looter shooter! the division is a looter shooter! destiny is a looter shooter! does any of those games have anywhere NEAR the amount of choice and player agency as starfield? absolutely not! so what is starfield then?
@@jekubb4348 a very very very bad looter shooter. XD
touché lol @@ygnizemcenia6059
the character interactions in BG3 are so much better than in Starfield that Starfield feels like it was made by an AI.
it was made by todd ai my dude
and the faces have Mo-Cap and dont look like they came from a game that is 20 years old.
there are like 4 different alien movesets that you encounter and like 20 different alien species sprinkled around the game. like wtf? encountering the same fucking alien with the same fucking moveset every planet you go is just so fucking terrible.
first bethesda game huh?@@rey6708
I can't believe people are still saying that Starfield is GOTY when BG3 exists.
Not for one second do any of the other games this year hold a candle to bg3.
People are calling Star field game of generation smh
i didn t see anyine saying that , @@Kopserulii
@@ysbrann3059I’ve seen a lot of ppl saying that shit
@@KopseruliiNo one will be playing BG3 in 10 years.
I've never played a game like baldurs gate. I got it last week and in 6 hours. I've had the most insane experience
I got it two days ago. I have never played a game like this before and I’m in love. I’m currently sitting at my desk at work…looking at videos about the game. I can’t wait to get home and get back into that world.
I haven’t felt this way since Witcher 3. Where a game has taken over my thoughts and I just want to be in the world.
@@MyWORDisntGospel same!!!! Omgg. I've been playing with my Fiance. And God damn we've had some crazy shit happen in just the first map 🤣😂🤣😂
I remember seeing an interview with the lead writer at Bethesda, who was address fan critism over Fallout 4's shallow writing. He responded 'why add depth when huge amounts of players won't find or pay attention to the content,' or something to that effect.
Wow, that proved to be so spot on with their next game. People are shitting on Starfield and haven't even experienced big moments of the game, or opened up factions or betrayed them or whathaveyou. Look at Asmond himself who isn't finding or paying attention to the content. He just went to see 30 dad planets? big fukin deal. there are hundreds of those with same copy pasted content. What about the dozens upon dozens of planets you go to for quests? This game is so deep and you got dip shits on their TH-cam channel acting like they know something.
This game is deep, no, no, I mean deeeep. You got to keep opening up the game and then you realize you haven't even scratched the surface. It's wild.
And Sven was asked a similar question where he said the complete opposite about rewarding the 1% and giving them as good an experience as the other 99. Think it was in the recent round of D&G interviews he done.
@@Moori2163Sven is the real chad when it comes to gaming.
BG3 made me think about games differently. I now expect NPCs to react to my actions or have the option to go a different path. You could say that most games have a static storyline unlike BG3.
most good rpgs are like this. Baldurs gate 1 & 2, fallout 1, 2 & new vegas, arcanum, might and magic, etc...
People just started to accept bad games over the years, so now that's the only thing AAA companies will deliver.
@@victoriacecilia3926 This.
Why is that impressive? Telltale games do that.
As much as I agree with tour sentiment- I wouldn't come to expect anywhere near the same quality to BG3 in the future, unless from the same devs...
@@UncreativePF yeah, it's sad because we got so many games like this in the past... But now mainstream gaming is just about making money.
A game of this scope is (I think) just too big for an indie team to make too.
AA studios might keep giving us good crpgs thought, albeit very sparsely
I’ve had fun with Starfield but most quests feel half-assed when compared to BG3
Quarter-assed
Find the artifact, bring the artifact here, combine the artifact. Find another artifact. Bring the artifact....
Feels like the difference between professionals making quests and fan-fic
Definitely feel like playing bg3 as a full party has ruined rpgs for me. It’s just too much fun.
I only really enjoyed one of the side quests I did throughout the whole game.
I don’t remember the planet but there is a lab that is basically “Schrödingers lab” very cool concept that is WAY more exciting than even the main story.
No Man's Sky is the equivalent of "TONY STARK BUILT THIS IN A CAVE, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!". A tiny studio with next to no resources did better 7 years ago, there is no excuse for one of the largest AAA studios on earth to make a vastly worse game in 2023.
if you think no mans sky 7 years ago was better then anything.. i think you have bigger problems
no mans sky at launch sucked bro, it took years of updates to be good
@@SirDinoz and we can comfortably say that starfield will be still shit in 7 years if we compare it with other bethesda games.
@@SirDinoz you're absolutely right about that, but they didn't drop the game like Bethesda is going to.
8:42 I felt that way about Oblivions graphics it was cutting edge, but by the time Skyrim came out I thought Bethesda's graphics lagged far behind the competition of the day. Crysis from 2007 had set the bar for what a videogame could look like and was still a graphical masterpiece juxtaposed with vanilla Skyrims flat looking shading and wonky meshes and textures.
Battlefield 3 came out the same year as Skyrim and if you look at those two side by side they look a generation apart.
Bg3 is my first crpg but I’m glad i gave it a go. Getting better at it slowly but surely, but i’m having a lot of fun with the game. I really like the story and dialogue, the dungeons are really fun to explore, fights are really fun to do, and the choices with leveling up make for interesting builds.
I haven’t played starfield but what i have seen, it just looks soulless and boring, like videos i have seen dont make me feel excited to play it just bored
Baldur's Gate 3 gave me butterflies like what skyrim gave me back in 11/11/11. It felt the same
BG3-10/10 Game of the Decades
I love skyrim man have somewhere around 5-7k hours at this point have a mod setup in the 2 thousands and I've played it since I was in Middle School, but story wise it barely compares to Baldurs gate 3 at all. You play in skyrim as the legendary Dragonborn who's literally a living demigod but it never seems to really matter, you save the world and only the guards really seem to react or you might get lucky with a single line of dialogue from an npc before they continue to belittle you like you don't know what you're doing.
in Bg3 I always felt like I had control over the situations I was going into, my character wasn't centerstage demigod so it made sense that everyone didn't know you but there were plenty of examples where you were recognized for your deeds whether they were good or bad.
@@Nick-dh4dt same my peak mods gave skyrim a 250gb storage hahaha
True, they are different rpg games. One is finished, full of details, satisfying to explore, great dialogues, solid role-play system AND there is a game with empty worlds, bugs, stupid dialogues, outdated overall.
Act2 and act3 arent finished lol
As much as Baldurs gate 3 is better, it is not finished lol. You guys gotta stop saying this nonsense. It is still buggy and performance in late act 2 and act 3 is bad
Starfirld is an open world looter shooter not an RPG imo
Another person who hasent played any of these games
@@managers6667haha lol lmao rofl. Yes they are. Act 3 was actually my favourite. Enjoy starfailed though and dont forget to upgrade your pc like toddy told you.
Honestly, people need to go No Man's Sky
Star citizen
Don’t overhype no mans sky. Even after all the cool updates the core gameplay will always be the same boring loop just with fancier tools
Well, what's the (viable ) solution.
@@Ziggyvuisnt Starfield the same boring bethesda core gameplay but in space though???
No mans sky is boring as hell. The people who enjoy RPGs like fallout/skyrim/starfield aren't the same game as no mans sky.
The only similarity is they're both futuristic space games. That's literally the only similarity
12:03 That comment aged like milk
My favorite moment in bg3 was during the Shar Gauntlet, where you had to do a stealth section. I fucking hated it, so I immediately gave up and tried having Gale cast Invisibility on me. Surely, I thought, surely these creatures have truesight. They didn't. The game just went "well, if you want to use a spell slot to skip this section, feel free." It felt so good to realize that I could take the easy way out at the cost of some resources, like a properly balanced game.
Yes! This game doesn't punish you for taking the smart option, it rewards you instead. Just like a good dungeon master should do!
Baldur's Gate 3 and Armored Core 6 are both $60.
I guess I just don't understand what justifies Starfield's $70 pricepoint.
Greed
I’ve got 60 hours in and still have tons to do. It’s not as good as BG3 but I’m still having tons of fun. BG3 is exceptionally great, but Starfield is still worth it when you compare to the other trash that gets released at the same price.
That extra $10 is the Xbox exclusive tax.
@@octopusgoat2502 wowies so much to do game gets better after 10 hours yay thanks todd for giving me the same 20 aliens on all the planets i visit that move exactly the same. thanks for letting me go trough dozens of loading screens instead of actually flying my ship, thanks for all the fun i have doing the same quests i did in fallout and skyrim. so much fun such a great game.
BG3 I will agree with, Armored Core 6 not so much, its an amazing game sure. But it really does not have that much content, compared to BG3 or Starfield. if anything Armored Core 6 should have been 40 dollars. You can finish all of AC6 within a couple days. Bg3 I had 200+ hours on my first game, and I have 3 days of gametime on Starfield, and i'm not even close to done with it.
So yeah, AC6 should have been cheaper.
Starfield should have just focused on our solar system. I feel they could have fleshed things out significantly and built their own unique take on our system in the future.
They didn't even need to focus on our solar system. They just needed to lower the amount of systems they made a fair bit.
Have anywhere from 2-3 systems for each faction (Which I believe they have like 2 each iirc, didn't really pay attention to who owned what systems tbh), more fleshed out with unique locations (more than just 0-3 spots that are only generic), and have those spots have a more handcrafted "world" around them to visit with Procedural generated things in between, and make those procedural "dungeons" something that makes sense to have copies of (calling it a Forward Outpost base or w/e), which then at least makes it make sense for being the same building/outpost everywhere, and obviously have a few different iterations/types.
Put in 1-3 zones as more of "contested" space, or just being discovered/explored, so the tension between factions trying to get control of them allows for a story telling of sorts,
Few systems on the fringe for later game things, with again, at least a FEW interesting locations, whether that be scenery or locations,
and from there you're pretty much done. If we take the maximum of the number for each that I mentioned, we're sitting at what, 12 different systems (not including corp factions you join as they don't really have territory in regards to systems, but you could still say something like Ryujin controls a world or two)?
Make it 15 just for argument's sake, that's dramatically less than 100 systems, and now you can condense those occasional Unique type locations in all the other systems to those 15, making it feel more lively and more fun to explore just like that, as planets will have more locations to visit now.
I definitely find Starfield fun, but it definitely didn't push any boundaries either. Sure they added in new things THEY had never done, but nothing that hasn't been seen elsewhere. Here's to hoping future patches and the DLC really flesh out everything more.
Yup o
This is the biggest (valid) criticism. Bethesda never really did procedural gen content before so I'm not surprjsed it sucks. They should have stuck to their strengths, kept the amount of planets few, and handed crafted content on them.
@@tenesenka Yup. I'm for them learning it if it helps improve future games, but it definitely shouldn't have been basically the main staple of the game (I mean it theoretically isn't but also is).
The problem with Bethesda is that they don't really try to make a well designed game. They make games that are marketable. They want to wow you about how big the game is but they don't want to design an interesting world.
Todd's legacy will be "over promised under delivered" he's a master of hyping a game up but man does he suck at delivering on that hype
He’s basically Peter Molyneux 2.0
He did it once with Skyrim. It was everything I expected and more
The problem is that you can only go so far before people start doubting every word coming out of your mouth. And that’s what has been happening since Failout 76.
Sure you still have the blinded fanboys and shills, but if Bethesda keep going like this and shit a TES6 similar to Starfield, people will really NOT be happy. Especially after waiting more than a decade.
@@AmericanbadashhI'm glad you enjoyed skyrim, but it was a step down from Oblivion and that was a step down from Morrowind.
Welp, after Bethesda won 0 awards, and BG3 won 6 out of the 8 its total nominations, including Game of the Year.
Some of of these tweets aged poorly
Scope doesn't mean what people think it means.
People assume their scope was something like "a gigantic living, breathing universe of exploration and fun!"
The actual scope was "how do we convincingly and easily make a universe that we don't have to tailor make"
That was the scope. Which, actually, really isn't that big but the solution they landed on sucks terribly.
Wait, you're telling me that Baulder's Gate 3 good, and that Starfield bad?! Man I can't handle these original hot takes, can people make about fifty more videos/posts on the subject to make this point clearer?
As soon as I played BG3, I lost interest in any other game coming out this year because we all know gems like BG3 are once in a blue moon. It's on another level.
The only people who don't like bg3 are people who haven't tried it. Like let's be honest. Sure, out of a few thousand people, 1 might genuinely dislike the combat.
But there's so much about the game that's just very well done, that people can't deny it's an amazing game. Steam gives you 2 hours to play before a return.
Set a timer for 1hr 40mins, load up the game, and just play. Don't think about builds, don't think about quest consequences. Just talk to a few people, run through a few battles. Hit lvl 3 or 4 at the very least.
If you still dislike the game, then I can respect that. I'm sick of people jumping on bandwagons about is a game good or bad because of social media.
Same boat for me. I cannot in good conscious pay more for Starfield than I did for Baldur's Gate. Voting with my dollar for where I want to see gaming go in the future
Agreed. I'm very glad Starfield is on Xbox Game Pass. I'm not sure I would have played it otherwise.
What Starfield needed was a hidden giant water bear boss that could randomly spawn in vacuum.
Problem with bethesda is they require the help from modders to ultimately fix there games. The only reason any bethesda games still being played today is because of mods if there were no mods available these games would have died out long ago.
@@squeezerdsqueezerd2427 Umm, yeah, I know. Why did you feel the need to respond particularly to my random comment that is obviously not entirely serious with something you can say anywhere about Beth? Also, don't discount the foundation work Beth does and the tools they provide for the modding community. I'm not trying to excuse Bethesda, but would you rather them use a different engine that they don't know all too well and that wouldn't be nearly as user-friendly for modders?
@@Verasoul Well... The modding community cannot *always* fix a game. If a game loses traction fast, then there won't be as many people modding the game as a hobby. So putting most of their resources into modability instead of the game is so high risk that it's stupid. And claiming a AAA game company has done such a thing is equally stupid. And the game is mediocre in every area. Far worse exploration than No man's sky which has 37 people working on it, a poor copy paste of cyberpunk 2077's combat, infinite loading screens, some of the worst AIs in gaming history, no role-playing elements at all plus incredibly poor optimization compared to games that has way more going on and they're selling such a game for $70. Anyone would be pretty freaking stupid to buy such a game at full price. You either play it on gamepass or buy it 3 years later on a 70% sale when the modders has already fixed most of the issues.
@@NyangisKhan that is what i always do i only buy games a few years later.
And yet asmon choosed to dodge baldurs for starfield 😂
@@shyguywearingtie5491 I love Civ6, but i am not playing BG3, cause its too much talking...
@@slasha86 civ V felt better, but tbf I haven't played in a while and they could have updated it.
@@slasha86it is a lot of talking. I definitely understand that. I personally like it because it helps me to become fully immersed into the game
@@jasonbrewer6714 Civ 6 is pretty good, if you have the anthology version
@@slasha86 You can still play it without a lot of talking though. I've seen a lot of co-op playthroughs who did it and they still enjoyed it
BG3 is remarkable. I have never played an RPG like it.
It's also my first ever turn-based game.
I hate turn based combat. I really wish BG3 didn't have it 😢
I really am glad I tried it
@@ryan.1990trust me. give it a try. im sure you’ve heard this everywhere about bg3, but i hate turn based and this game has changed my mind on the genre. i’ve never been a fan and just don’t enjoy the games that are turn based. bg3 truly is some magical game the way it made me rethink that. i’ve never had this much fun and enjoyed myself in a game over a decade. i still can’t believe i can confidently say one of my favorite games of all time is turn based… bg3 did that.
the turn based RNG combat systems dont interest me. xcom, battletech all piss me off.
BUT i am willing to make an exception for BG3 simply because the game does it so well.
Try Disco Elysium next. Very different RPG but it's FANTASTIC!
I just ragequitted Starfield, after persuading a person to give me her most precious item, without having any kind of leverage, on a ship full of guards, just by asking "can I have it? Can I have it? Can I have it?"
In BG3 I talked Villains in to killing themselves, and it made more sense.
can i have it tho?
FINE!
@@sanmar6292 The poor displacer beast...I felt that demons pain when I heard him say the beasts name..I'd feel bad too like killing your own pet would hurt so much
@@sanmar6292Did you refund? I did.
@@odlfmariner470 used gamepass.
I guess I should play no man's sky on it for the rest of the month.
Divinity was a slog for me. So many aspects of the game drove me bananas. The improvements BG3 made is utterly incredible to the turn base model. They made it smooth and engaging. I find myself engulfed in battles, even when I lose I instantly want to try again. The story and characters have me locked in 100% of the time. Most of the time I'm bored playing other games, watching other shit while I grind for hours. Such a breath of fresh air. I thought these kinds of games were done, that the glory days of old were over, and Diablo 4 was proving it to me. I love BG3, take my money!!!! fuck Bethesda and Blizzard.
You might want to retry divinity after bg3 you'll know how to play it better and it's a fantastic game
Can you point out some specifics between Divinity Original Sin 2 and BG3? They feel nearly identical to me
Oh yeah, BG3 has me turn off my second monitor, there is no room in my mind for anything else. Been a while since a game got me this engaged.
Indeed. Because every situation in bg3 is unique. There is no grind. Theres next to no backtracking. Theres no wandering through empty maps. Its incredibly dense.
Yeah Divinity was painful to play, but BG3 isn't perfect either. It could be so much better with some QoL features, and options to turn tedious things off, like seeing the dice roll animation every damn time.
I don't give a fuck what sweaty DnD neckbeards say, but turn-based combat is worse than active with AI companions, like PoE and million other crpgs have.
Absolutely wonderful game, filled with bugs and tedious design choises.
The difference between No Man’s Sky and Starfield is that when people complained, the NMS team apologized and committed to fixing it and making it meet and exceed what they had promised. Bethesda responded by lying, gaslighting, belittling, and blaming the customers. 🤦🏻♂️😂
"I can't believe that these companies have wound up 30 year old men to get in fights over who has the better piece of shit. 40 year old men. Your right!" - Asmongold
BG3 is incredible. It's massive I've played for 70 hours and I've got lost to do left in act 2.
And I am going to play the game over again as evil and 0 save scumming (I'll admit I've save scummed a bit) and see what I can do. And then probably again as a different class.
@TheErtybgh BG3 is a 70/100 at best in its current state. It's unfinished and has severe performance issues.
Lol don’t worry I restarted my first play thru cause I failed to many rolls in the beginning 😂
@@alexanderjakubowski5673Copium
@alexanderjakubowski5673 I haven't noticed any performance issues and beyond that just the gameplay and freedom in the game gives its more than a 70/100.
I'd rate it at least a 9/10 game
I can't put it down, I'm on my third playthrough now with over 200 hours in the game. It's easily GOTY and nothing else this year even comes close. Maybe Armored Core 6 due to it's pure fun, excellent design and polish.
Same for me, after 240h of BG3, Starfield looks like a Fallout 4 mod and dialogue looks like dogshit
Fast travel simulator and really slow to get in. I have 6 hours in Starfield PC (played with a 6950XT and 5800x3D I don't have too much problems with performances)
Doing better than me.
Spent 30 minutes in a washed out looking cave trying to enable HDR or change contrast/brightness. Turns out HDR doesn't exist on steam version and there is no contrast OR brightness slider. Luckily there is a mod already, but fuck that I'll just play some more bg3 👍
Lol you are right Fast travel simulator that requires you to open 3 menus Just so you can Fast travel to near of the place you want and one more for the place you want
"Sand worm" was on the Moon in Mass Effect with a typical building with 3 open area and a bunch of Cerberus soldier. But that generic quest was a part of EDI which was sending signals to you.
glad I wasn't the only person thinking this
"You're items, spells, and abilities are tools with which to prod and poke at the environment.." and class. there are so many variables it's crazy just to remember them all.
Man i cringed soooo hard when mxr praised the really bad menu/map/travel navigation saying “they made something small seem so massive” like bro… seriously?
MxR is a Bethesda fanboy, of course he would say that. Modding Bethesda games is also the main brand of his channel, so he would definitely praise Starfield to appeal to his fanbase.
Menu is pretty cool ngl.
@@joshmaag7018 it looks like something a 7 year old would come up with. Although it isn't bad and doesn't effect the game it could still be a lot better considering the budget of the game
@adan1221 but you guys are comparing two different games plus two different play styles making irrelevant criticism
@adan1221 I am talking about main menu not the menu access your stuff I agree needs work but main menu tho 🤌🤌
Question : will modders turn Starfield into Star Citizen before Star Citizen fully comes out?
Star citizen will never fully release, so sure. People are still working on Morrowind to create all of Tamriel in the engine.
Doubtful. Some basic things that Star Citizen does wouldn't be possible in Starfield. Like No Man's Sky, you can take off directly from and land directly on the planets. If you tried something like what Alanah Pearce did in Starfield, fly from one planet to the next conventionally instead of fast travel. It works in Star Citizen. Despite the setting they are completely different types of games.
no lol
@@darcrequiem the problem is in the engine itself, it would be easier for modders basically remade the whole game in a completely different engine, most likely Unity or UE, wich we already know that it is possible because all voxel crafting sims of Unity, and games like SpaceBourne 2.
Some tricks could improve a bit the game like adding laoding screens simulating "hyperdrive" jump and stuff like that but at the end of the day this are just cheap tricks, that doesn't actually improve the immersion much.
@@efxnews4776 Oh I know the Creation Engine is the issue. It's why Starfield does such a piss poor job of using multiple threads. It can't even use a 6 core CPU to it's fullest. I mean the i3-13100 has no business performing better than a 5600X.....but it does in Starfield.
I haven't touched a turn based game since the 1 time I tried on a super nintendo. But, someone told me they too had felt the same way and they tried BG3 and it was amazing. I gave in an tried. he was right. It has to be turn based because there is so much shit going on. And it's only turn based for combat(or if you choose to turn on).
Kinda makes me sad that I used to be so excited for the new Cyberpunk DLC to come out but ever since I started playing BG3 I pretty much forgot the DLC is even a thing anymore. Haven't been this addicted to a game in forever. First night I played BG3 I was up playing til 4am and had to call in sick to work that day.
I get the thing about turn based gameplay, but after my friend forced me to try Divinity Original Sin 2, after a while i not only found the immersion in the game was amazing, but i even enjoyed the gameplay. Same goes for BG3...
Even though in my mind I had always thought of turn-based gameplay as un-fun, giving it a real chance actually changed my mind.
Opening your mind to other types of gaming experiences can often lead to surprising outcomes.
I had the same experience with Collectible Card Games which I had always found uninteresting, but when at a LAN, I could not play on my gaming rig and had to use a measly laptop, I was forced to give a Hearthstone a try, which I actually ended up enjoying, contrary to my expectation and initial hesitancy.
Now I enjoy anything from MMO's, MOBA's, FPS, TCG's, CRPG's, ARPG's, RPG's, Strategy, Survival and others. It gives me way more options for games to play, which means less downtime in good gaming options.
I'm curious, what was the last turn based game before BG3 that made you think this genre was unfun? Was it a JRPG game?
Was excited to try playing both, Got the starfield pre order from game pass fell asleep 4hrs in. Have been playing bg3 ever since never played a game like this every good roll i say to myself winners win its been great.
You were 100% on when you said that the only reason most people won’t play BG3 is because it’s turn based.
I think BG3 refreshed a lot of us on what a game should be and now we are scrutinizing these other releases with renewed vigor
I think that’s probably not a good thing. It’s ok to just have a god tier game every now and then. When zealous players religiously stan the really good game and attack other games/communities over it, I think that actually sours the good thing.
What triggers me about all those comments saying "it's two different RPG" is that they truly miss the point. The article isn't mentioning any kind of gameplay or mechanics, only that Starfield feels bland because of it's "linearity", the fact that no ones react to what you do or what you've done make the world feels fake, whereas BG3 feels like a fully alive world.
if you were expecting anything good from Bethesda after Fallout 76, thats the real shocker. My expectations for Starfield were low but god damn that managed to go lower.
Starfield had a budget of 400 million and still couldn't come anywhere close to the perfection that is Baldurs Gate 3.
where did tou take this number from. Also BG3 and SF do not aim the same thing at all
@@ysbrann3059true. Ironic that bg3 aims for the stars and starfield aims for its own knee.
@@ysbrann3059 Of course they aim for different outcomes, the point is Baldur's Gate 3 more than got to the state they wanted it to get to. I haven't played either of them, but I have played Bethesda games before and Starfield doesn't look too much more impressive than their past titles.
@ysbrann3059 I just googled "Starfield budget," and it has several reputable news sites that say they tried to target 200 million, but they actually used 415 million instead across 500 talented developers.
To Asmon and other people who dont get the 2/10 ratings, the problem is the price.
When you pay 5 $ in Taco Bell you know you're getting a soggy, diarrhea inducing mess overall a 5-6/10 meal. But if you bought a 15$ taco and it ended up tasting exactly the same its even worse.
You can be mediocre or expensive, if you're both your product just becomes utter shit.
it's a free game to anyone with game pass, so your point is self defeating.
@@2014Almin that case Bethesda shouldn't be selling it separately rigth? If it was ONLY in gamepass, yeah be as mediocre as you want, but they are selling it full price so...
Hate it when people say “they’re both great games” when one of those games completely overshadows the other.
This is what they meant when they said, new standard.
Once you go Baldur's Gate 3 you just can't go back.
The Starfield launch really did suffer from bg3 releasing shortly before, showing ppl what could actually be done in a rpg. Especially with character development and interactions. And sheer possibilities solving problems/quests. BG3 has 96% Overwhelmingly positive atm and Starfield has 76% Mostly positive on steam.
I think I figured it out! Everytime a Triple A developer drops a game we only get that game 7 years after its release.
I have never said this but bg3 actually helped with my depression, having a huge interactive world with hundreds of possibilities and a genuine feel of accomplishment when you do something. Its reignited my passion for a franchise other than pokemon. It genuinely is an amazing experience, and i reaaaallly want a dlc or second campaign
Btw, redeemed durge is the canon ending fight me.
I haven't even found any dinosaurs yet, like massive jungle type environments with massive creatures. All I found were bugs and they're kind of all the same.
Everything I've seen are just reskins of fallout 4 or 76 creatures. They could've had some really interesting creatures.
I feel like Bethesda tried too hard for a "realistic" sci-fi space game, defined by the sort of NASA-core style
Yeah I agree. I think this is kind of the problem. With space exploration, nobody wants to really go to space in real life, because basically it's really boring and empty. Starfield has a really Star Wars type of vibe, except way more boring.@@21joebloe
@@21joebloe If they were going for realism they missed the mark with the magic space rocks that give you dragon shouts the plot revolves around.
I always found the 'realism' defense for starfield's completely lifeless universe weak... Until I found out about the alien genes and pseudo science magic bullshit, now that defense is hilarious.
Most games now days I expect padding, something slow and unfun or repetitive to boost the play time in a quick way. I kinda accepted this and have a ton of unfinished games where I just kinda went 'Meeh- I don't want to do this part...' or 'Eh- this is so samey... I want to do something new'
I've over 100 hours in BG3 and there wasn't a single thing that felt like padding, every single area could hold a cool secret side quest/ adventure that can help or change outcomes in the future. I didn't think it could be done- but... yeah! Loved every second of BG3
The main thing that really turns me off of BG3 is that the game is apparently over 100 hours long and it seems like a huge committment for someone with a job and a life. It feels like it would take me years to complete.
It’s the same thing for me too. BG3 is what I’m into. Starfield feels dated even though it’s new. I’m on my second run through on BG3 and am experiencing a completely different game and I’m in Act 1.
Absolutely 100% agree🙌🏼 have played both by now and I would rather have bought 2 copies of Baldurs Gate 3 than one of each.
If we put every ract video from asmo for BG3 together, it will be as long as a full run.
I'm the dumbest gamer with zero brain function, never got into or played d&d once in my life, and Baldur's Gate is the single greatest gaming experience I've had, ever. It knocks the Elder Scrolls, Fallout, and Dragon Age series on their asses. The world, the acting, the story, the freedom and depth - it's so fucking good.
The acting most of all for me is the best. Not only is there completely different dialogue for every choice you make that shapes the entire direction of the conversation (lines themselves reforming to better shape the conversation), but the motion acting is also in place for every line said by every character. They aren't generic movements that every NPC is programmed to perform at random intervals in a conversation to give the illusion of expression. They are captured movements from the actors, completely different in every single scene, making the most realistic and immersive characters I've ever seen in a video game. Even characters I don't like so much I've such an appreciation for.
Baldur's Gate throws the Elder Scrolls, Fallout, and Dragon Age series out on their asses. I loved all those series dearly, and yet they don't hold a candle to this game.
Nah, it didn't take BG3 to ruin Starfield for me. Pretty much any other RPG game like FO:NV, Mass effect, Cyberpunk 2077, Witcher 3...hell, even Outer World manages to overshadow Starfield.
I've been a casual gamer, preferring games like Sims, FNaF, Minecraft, Roblox, Stardew Valley etc but decided to give BG3 a shot because of all the hype surrounding it (or more specifically, the characters). Was apprehensiveabout combat but holy shit, I am addicted. I have around 120 hours spread across 7 diff save files (I have a main but I like to switch) and I am COMPLETELY addicted and in love. I spend my entire days dreaming of playing BG3
i'd love a space rpg where you can choose to play as an alien race
Just play Swtor or the older Kotor
You can play a body type 2 with a Him/he pronoun, pretty much the same
I saw in No Man's Sky you can change your race to some of the aliens. I was stoked to see that.
If i'm not mistaken in ME4 you would be able to chose between one of the alien races to play, it is the rumor actually, but who knows?
Or you could play No Man's Sky, and just choose your appearence to be of an alien, theres a bunch to choose from in the game.
Starfield ruined Starfield
i think Morrowind was my first Bethesda game, and while the games have gotten more pretty, it feels like each successive game from Bethesda removes some established interesting mechanic from their respective franchises. if you knew just a little bit about what you were doing in Morrowind you could fly around the world with an item that has a low level levitate enchant, render heavily armed and armored enemies completely immobile with another cheap enchanted item that fires a magic bolt that damages their strength stat, or craft your own spell that creates a mini nuke of poison, fire, cold, AND lightning damage all at once or a spell that made you glow, summoned some monsters, and made all of the NPCs in an area invisible. you could go into any house, building, and/or some dungeons that you wanted and claim it for yourself by killing all of the NPCs inside, and decorating it however you wanted with the items you collected. you could also enchant items or craft potions anywhere as long as you had some basic equipment/components with you.
but then in the next game (Oblivion) you were only allowed to set up a base in specific houses (mostly ones you bought) (anywhere else would despawn all of your stuff after a few days), the ability to outright fly or teleport was taken away, and the ability to create enchanted items that you could use to actively cast spells was taken away, all weapon enchants became cast on striking and anything else you enchanted could only have passive effects and unless you were using a sigil stone you could only enchant at specific enchanting tables. to be fair they did add poisons that could be applied to weapons in this game (which is a very cool feature).
then in Skyrim character stats were entirely removed so you couldn't even make a character that could jump very high, and the few remaining utility spells like hoptoad and water walk were stripped away, the ability to craft enchanted effects using the spells you know was stripped out entirely, and only strictly curated enchanted effects that you copied from SOME (there are many effects you aren't even allowed to copy) other enchanted items could be used. all crafting of any kind is only done at specific crafting locations. an honorable mention goes out to making the conjured weapons weak and useless past mid game levels. again to be fair they did add the ability to craft weapons and armor from raw materials to the game.
in VANILLA Morrowind you had the ability to fly around, nuke entire buildings full of people, and then take up residence in whatever building (and/or some dungeons) that you cleared, and make all manner of crazy magical artifacts, and potions at will and whatever spell you wished with whatever effect you had access to, cast at whatever targets you wished crafted at certain NPCs. all while teleporting around the world.
now in vanilla Skyrim you gain the ability to use poisons on weapons and craft equipment (two very cool features) at the cost of many cool spell effects, the ability to craft interesting unique magical artifacts or spells, the freedom to claim almost any home you wished as your own, and the general ability to fly around and be a demigod in the world.
the fallout series seems to be following a similar trend. it just feels like each new Bethesda game takes one step forward and then actively sprints five to ten steps back.
Its so weird that a game made a decade later than Fallout 4 has nearly everything downgraded. Fallout 4 has a better story, NPC interactions, exploration, customization, and the plot was conpletely determined by your desicions in the game.
Starfield feels like a worse Skyrim set in space.
Even Skyrim had better quests, dialogues and rpg choices, this is more like Fallout 4 in space
how is that worse , nostalgia is a hell of a drug
@@ysbrann3059interesting world. Starfield is a snooze fest.
7:33 Faerun is the setting of BG3 and most dnd set in the Forgotten Realms. It's been added to and reinterpreted by dozens of professional writers since the 1970's. This is why it feels so alive, and Larian's respect for and tinkering with all of the history that the setting has to offer is a big part of their success. Settings that are just cobbled together from a few vague notions (looking at starfield, AC6 and even Elder Scrolls) are gonna look pretty shallow in comparison, but that isn't to their discredit.
Elder scrolls is pretty deep lore
... AC 6 is not 'cobbled together from a few vague notions'. Can't speak to the others, but it's absolutely inaccurate to say that about AC 6.
The majority of the people defending Starfield aren’t “Xbox Fans” it’s Bethesda fans and majority of Bethesda fans are on PC(For the mods). If you’re a fan of Bethesda games like Skyrim and Fallout then you like Starfield. If you never liked Skyrim and Fallout then you hate on Starfield. Don’t know what those people expected.
It's weird, cuz I'm having a great time with starfield, but BG3 really did kinda fuck my perspective on every rpg now. everything feels insanely restrictive, and things that would impress me in starfield don't because BG3 managed to do things to a higher degree or effect with consequences/choices.
Starfield ruined starfield to people. Company just on purpose leaves games unfinished and releases so modders finishes game for them