This trio killed it, I loved the contrast between each segment of how the Walkman performed from the actual phone experience with miles to the audiophile perspective with Ellis, it was really well done
All I watch is BS craps here. -DAP buyers dont care about those screens and Androids. -DAP buyers dont buy the thing because of the Bluetooth because of those phone jacks. -DAP buyers use the phone as a phone only
These group of people Marques has assembled are really amazing. It's kinda trippy seeing the studio sets but other people sitting there reviewing products, yet the video is still amazingly well produced. About the Walkman itself, I saw a tweet pop off and people replied they're getting their first Walkman ever. Hope they get to see this video before making the purchase. Get some sleep Ellis.
Except that he didn't explain that the importance of it is not that great at all since 16/44.1 is already enough for our human ears. I mean that misalignment of the curve is because his example had 16 steps while 16 bit audio have 65536, with the last bit of misalignment is saved by dithering. So it's a very exaggerated example. Also his blindtest is also very flawed, I mean he compared highres from that Sony with 256kbps AAC on an very old iPod, so the difference that they heard was the Sony vs iPod, not highres vs lowres. Highres audio is just a label that companies slap on to try to sell more products, not for the consumers to get an actual audible difference.
@@gurratell7326 Sorry for the confusion, let me try and clear some of this up. The example wave was supposed to be at 4 bits (15 in decimal) and 23 Hertz, which due to the Nyquist Shannon theorem is an unusable sample rate, purely for simple educational purposes. You are correct about the dithering, although that comes more into play when resampling at different rates, not when playing a single file back natively. As for the tests, each person listened to 8 pairs of recordings, each one testing different things. Test 1 was the iPod vs Walkman, tests 2-3 were low res files, one played natively off the hard drive vs upscaled in the Walkman’s DSEE engine. 4-6 were testing hi res tidal streams on the Walkman DAC vs the iPhone DAC, and test 8 was about DSD on high res audio. None of these were supposed to provide benchmarks, just to see how big a difference these things made to regular people. Hope this helped clear things up and thanks for watching!!
@@ellisrovin Yeah I mean it's a good way to show how it works :) But I just felt that you should have emphasized that the actual importance of high res. It has been discussed for quite many years now but with the general consensus being that it's very quite overrated (except when actually working with it). About the dithering, it is (or at least should be) always applied when downsampling to eliminate any quantization errors. Dithering might also be done in the DAC depending on how the inner workings of it. But in the end the bit depth is all about noise floor, and the sample rate is about how high frequencies you can cover. This should also have been emphasized imo :) As for the test. Again, since you in most tests compared with both different formats and different DACs I don't see how those tests is relevant for anything? If you are going to test lowres to highres then you should have EVERYTHING the same except for the formats themselves. So doing the test the way you did will just confuse the viewers of the importance of highres. I mean I agree with your conclusion about the Sony, but how you came to (or at least showed) those conclusions where a bit off imo :)
@@gurratell7326 I hear where you’re coming from. Only test 1 compared low res to high res on different devices, the other 7 only changed one factor and that was the device. I think you’re quickly discovering what makes covering a device like the Walkman so difficult. There are a bunch of advantages to high res audio, a higher sample rate will let you raise your antialiasing filter which yes gives you more highs, but also will reduce phase and distortion (bc antialias filters have steep roll offs that induce phase and filter ring). In the same light, raising your bit rate will lower your noise floor, but it will also lower distortion AND give you higher resolution at multiple gains for samples quantized at a low level. But also, who cares? I mean I care, I have a degree in audio engineering, but even I can accept these giant mathematical concepts reproduce themselves as minute sound adjustments. And I don’t want to make a math video. I mean, I do, but I don’t think the audience wants a math video hahahaha I’ll definitely dive deeper into quantization, sampling, amps, dither, all of it in later videos. But the first cut of this video was 30 min and no one needs 15 min of me talking about sample rate 😭
@@ellisrovin Ah maybe I misunderstood what you wrote then, because I read everything as you did all your tests on the Walkman DAC vs the iPhone DAC, but I guess you meant as you did some tests on the Walkman and other on the iPhone? Higher sample rate can give you more highs yeah, but 44.1khz already give high enough I'd say, especially since most adults don't hear over 16khz anyways, and stuff like phase distortion ain't audible at all anyways, so personally I wouldn't suggest anyone to bother with higher sample rates :) Higher bit depth will give lower noise floor yes, but seeing that 16 bits 96dB+ will give you a dead quite speaker for most places in the world, I mean a _quite_ room is at 20dB, so you'd have to turn that speaker up to say 120dB to hear any noise, but then that noise is drowned in music anyways, so wouldn't worry about that either :) That's my take on it anyways, and I appreciate yours! And also that we get some more audio nerd videos about it ^^ Btw, if you haven't seen it yet, look up Xiph's "D/A and A/D" demonstration here on TH-cam, quality stuff!
Great to see Miles working with the MKBHD team. Missed seeing him on 9to5. Please tell me this is not temporary. He is an absolute pleasure to listen to.
Despite the device that was reviewed :) This was another excellent quality video. Adam is a pro from sound guys but so glad to see Miles and Ellis getting some air time. A truly amazing team you have assembled, Marques!
It would be great to compare the Walkman to something more similar, like one of the FiiO DAPs that are recognized in the audio enthusiast world. The conclusion that a DAP is not comparable to a smartphone, and that a DAP is not recommended for “regular” music listeners is not a far fetched one. But that is also not the target audience - someone looking to buy a dedicated audio streaming device for $500+ already knows that it does not compare to a smartphone. They want to know how does it fare with high impedance headphones, what DAC is used, what amp is used, how much power does the balanced output deliver… I like the way that the review was set up and how different facets were presented, but for me it missed the main talking points I would like to know about a DAP.
Using most popular music as test material for audiophile gear is like test driving a Ferrari in stop and go traffic. To really see what it can do, you need source material with less compression like classical or jazz, or other styles with more acoustic instruments. Popular music is dynamically compressed, which by nature, means that it will sound pretty similar regardless of the playback system.
Miles is an amazing presenter and reviewer! I know the main MKBHD channel is mostly Marques, but I’d love to see more Miles over there. Seriously professional!
When complaining about the running Android 12 they came in spitting distance of the reason but missed. DAPs like this do run customized android builds, but rather than being “heavily skinned” the customization is to the audio system. Compared to phones it may seem old, but in this product category Android 12 is pretty much just starting to show up on new device models. I’ve seen several comments holding up Fiio as a more deserving competitor for review, but their newest DAPs are *still* on Android 10.
I actually own one of these, and the difference in sound quality is clear compared to even my Xperia Pro-i. While most people probably wouldn't care enough or listen intently enough to notice the differences, they can be heard and felt. Every day since owning this thing, I've come across at least a few songs where I'm like "wow, I never heard that before." Not all my music is high-res, but I do have a good portion. Anything new I buy I will pretty much only buy in high res. However, there are subtle improvements on even CD quality tracks that are noticeable with DSEE HX enabled. Particularly, there is a little more depth and the highs don't sound as crunched. On really poor quality tracks that date before iTunes and whatnot, you definitely can hear a much larger difference with DSEE enabled. Where as without it, you really don't want to listen to it. It makes those tracks sound listenable. I really only use streaming services when I'm trying to discover new music to buy, or if I must hear a specific song I don't own. I love the hardware buttons because it allows me to not have to look at the device to change songs once you get used to the button placement. Some people have said that the new Walkman is not super loud, especially on harder to run headphones. This is because a regulation was put in place, and the EU and North American versions have to follow a law which limits the amount of volume they can put out. This did not effect older Walkmans, and also if you buy the Asian version this can be avoided. I have no problem with the volume output of this device in most cases. All that being said, I think the review was relatively fair. The Android interface is way slower than my Xperia, but I really don't mind. Once I have found what I am listening to I don't need it to be fast. I refuse to download any social media on this device too so that it stays focused to music. I did download almost every streaming platform on there from Qobuz to Apple Music to Amazon Music. It's nice because I don't need to have those installed on my phone now, though I will keep a couple. The Walkman music interface is quite nice for searching and finding the songs. It shows you the file type and all that. You can even sort from songs based on quality, to an extent. So it can auto-separate high res, CD quality, and then compressed. The explanation of high-res was pretty good indeed. You can also still have access to cloud services which is really nice, like OneDrive or Google Drive. This way you can add songs from the cloud if you want. I have a 500 gig SD card in this thing so I have plenty of space. For more files it's about halfway full with music though, nothing other than apps on the internal storage. Its primary purpose isn't for games or Instagram or sending texts and multitasking. It's a device built basically for listening to music in a very intentional way. So while it's not the fastest device there isn't really a need for it to be as it is fast enough for intended uses. I think what a lot of tech reviews get wrong is that a great device doesn't have to be one that everyone has to need. You can still love a product for its intended uses while also agreeing that many might not feel they need a device like this.
Fellow Pro-I user here 👋🏼 What Walkman do you own? I recently bought sony mdr z1r headphones so I am looking to get a walkman myself. Any recommendations?
I totally agree with what you've said here. I have the Sony NW A306 and it sounds better than any other device I have ever used. It's because it has high quality components that an iPhone can only dream about. I really don't understand why these reviewers couldn't tell the difference.
Damn I just learned a lot about audio than I ever knew (especially the sound curve replication that Ellis explained). Just after I got my new Nothing Ear (2). Time to look for audio codecs in the developer settings. Thanks guys.
This is a dope video, my only nitpick personally would be that I feel like your graph representing the nitrate and quality should have changed to show additional levels and intervals instead of showing the same graph and talking about what could be different. However as an editor and animator that definitely isn’t the easiest animation in the world so I get why it wasn’t done.
Loved this format, with more people from the Studio as hosts, all of you speak very well, and the video itself is great: quality, script, subject. All of it!
To tell you the truth apple is lacking in sound quality I have a iPad and when I steam music to my paradigms they sound dull and lifeless, when I use my S22 ultra to stream their is no comparison, the ultra wins flat out. You guys sound like amachures what receiver or speakers did you use, none? The you should sit down and shut up.
Great video. I'm an electronics engineer, and your explanation of the sampling and quantization process is awesome. You made the point without any jargon - that's cool!
Subjective take , as an audiophile I can swing by both ways using Apple Music + AirPods Pro gen 2 or a DAP and my IEMs. Yes AirPods Pro gen 2 with Apple Music is solid as Bluetooth is getting good but with IEMs , you are plugging straight to the 4.4mm uninterrupted analog signal and my IEMs are harder to drive anyways . Phone and apple dongles are fine but the 4.4mm balanced makes my IEM sound more tight and spacious .
I got a Sony Nwa55 Walkman just before they were discontinued as I didn’t want the bad android or battery experience. It does last better and doesn’t feel outdated as it’s not comparable to a phone OS. Definitely does have better sound when using a cable to my XM4s - but I find myself mostly still using AirPods and my phone. “Novelty for a few hours” is a great way to sum it up. Great video guys.
reason why daps like these don't get current software is because with new software you'd have to also run them on new hardware... the name of the game is noise, and new hardware injects a lot of noise in the signal path... whether you can hear the difference boils down to experience and how resolving your transducers are... the tests you guys conducted really only implies that they couldn't tell the difference within a short time frame
Great point! This chip is very old though, and there are definitely newer, better chips that have low noise floors worked out. We didn’t show much of the tests, but each person listened to 8 different songs across 45 min to an hour, we just didn’t show the whole test to keep the video time shorter. I’ll make sure to go into greater detail about the nature of the test next time we do it!
@@ellisrovin oh I'm talking about over a period of time, not within hours but days. I know when I listen to my gear i need at least a day or two to acclimate myself whenever I switch to a different headphone. We are so sensitive to these changes but you need time to build it in to your "auditory muscle memory." And once you gain more experience and try different stuff the time it takes for you to hear those differences are much shorter IME. Additionally, you eliminate a lot of the variables like mood, state of mind, ambient noise levels, and what not. But I'm sure this wasn't that kind of video so the context will be much different. At the end of the day most people are fine with "good enough" anyway and won't care about a true hifi experience, and there's nothing wrong with that. A little sad tho...
the more we try to make stand alone gadgets , the more u realise how good smart phones are and how they have stole the game from almost every other stand alone gadgets .
Favorite Studio video so far! I love the loose relaxed structure and the various personalities here at the studio channel. Definitely an A+ in my book!
I really enjoyed Ellis's breakdown. From the Podcast it seems like he always has silly interjections, but I appreciated his knowledge, explanations, and opinions.
Great job on this one! I've always wondered about these insane products and it answered a ton of questions that I had. This reminded me of those "monster speaker wire vs coat hanger" tests that revealed zero difference between the two. Seems like the audiophile market is full of grifts.
The format of this video was awesome!! Very fun! It was nice to see Miles as well. As for the device... I feel it's so close to being good, by virtue of being unique, but the amount of things that they did wrong blow my mind. I really feel it could be a gadget that few people buy but love and defend greatly. Kinda like Canoopsy using a classic Walkman and the novelty of it being cool. I dunno... I am most impressed by the terrible battery life given how chunky it is haha
This video was great, well done everyone involved! I hadn't heard about this product and as a person who loves listening to music I was curious about it, but the price tag immediately put me off and then the negatives just kept on piling up. Really appreciated the in-depth analysis and break-down of the features. Would love to watch more of this type of video!
My question is what headphones were used? The benefit of a walkman is the ability to use more powerful headphones. if you're using normal bluetooth or normal wired headsets below $150-300 the difference would be noticeable but not crazy. However with better headphones $800+ it makes a world of difference. at-least thats my understanding.
Everything about this video hit, the depth and clarity of the explanations and the flow between all 3 of your segments of the video! You all contributed your own thoughts and they created an incredibly well rounded review, much love would love to see more of this audio trio 🙏🙏
This Walkman section is, in my opinion, is for classified ur class in social. Clearly people are wealthy or audiofile could be its customer targeted. It's not an Android device, Android just as it surfaces to interact with or for control function only purpose. The rest is internal, its hardware which is expensive, precision made and unique audio technology from Sony. Like u having an vinyl player in ur house, which could be boring and old in terms of common customers. But in the eyes of audiofile expertise or wealth people who are asking for unique products, who perhaps dont want something could distract while working, this device is for them.
These sort of reviews are so informative as it illustrates differences in perspectives across generations and audiences. Due to social media and companies using 'influencers', we see more reviews for specialty devices performed by those who are not deeply immersed in high-end audio. Not a criticism as everyone has an area of specialization. Many of us who have memories of the Sony Walkman are probably reflecting on a more common and general purpose version of the device. As you have illustrated, this level of Walkman is an audio DAC targeted to audiophiles and not meant to be a replacement for a mobile phone for music consumption. For comparison, check out the Moon Audio review of the Sony NW-ZX707 Walkman to see how a company that reviews and specializes in high-end audio evaluates the same product. Thanks for bringing in the additional perspective.
The honesty of this review is refreshing. Even has an audio nerd and hi-res streamer, I can't make a case for this over any modern smartphone and one of the many amazing, super-portable USB/Lightning DACs that are cheaper, smaller, and offer the same (or better) audio firepower and format compatibility.
I use a Logitech Squeezebox Touch for my bedroom audio streaming (playing from either Qobuz or files stored on a NAS) through a solid-state amplifier, out to my speakers. The files on the NAS are FLAC. When attaching my Mac Mini to my amplifier and switching between the Squeezebox and the Mac, I can definitely tell a difference. The Squeezebox sounds much better, although the Mac Mini sounds extremely good by itself. I think it's due to the Squeezebox having dedicated L+R outputs. When comparing FLAC to AAC on my Mac (using Foobar2000), I can tell a difference. However, it is not a huge difference. Playing songs from Daft Punk's Random Access Memories is great to test this out. The FLAC contains more frequencies that we can't hear, but I suspect that I can hear a difference because it moves more air. On my iPhone, I have some locally stored AAC files, but I predominantly just stream from Apple Music 🤣 I definitely wouldn't bother with the Walkman!
There's a part of me that likes the idea of a device dedicated to "only" music, as long as its audio components are genuinely higher end audio components. Focusing on any of the Android stuff at all feels like missing the point.
I have daily driven walkman before with great in ear headphones. Not the crazy expensive version but the mid tear consumer ones. At that time the audio hardware and features were great, now at a later age, smartphone hardware is great too for most music and AAC streaming with a convenient Bluetooth headphone is a comfort i can not let go of anymore and can barely hear the difference. That is another thing that ears adapt quickly!. That being said, I never hear Vangelis Antarctica like i did on the walkman i had again.. 😢 it was magic. And Flac of some songs gits different and some are negligible. What matters most today is how the song is mastered.
Couldn’t agree more with this. Tracking down the correct masters for these tests was such a pain! We didn’t wanna play a “high res” master when it was just a CD master upsampled
I am from India and we have some great music too but the quality of recording instruments and sampling from 80's vs Western is really crappy. What is amazing is Japanese music from the same era... The quality of mastering is great even with not so great recording instruments.
I got to say I'm pretty disappointed with this video. I started with high hopes, but immediately got shot down by their lack of knowledge in what this device is supposed to be. Miles kept on saying this is not a normal Android device or a phone, but kept on comparing it to a freaking phone anyway? Who approved this script?
I mean U could get a £500 phones that's better as a phone than this, and also buy a very good portable dac for a few hundred and I would guess that the latter would give an overall better experience, for example So I would say that comparing with an AVG phone is fair
I got myself a lower end player and I can enjoy the perks of the better audio without feeling bad about myself. $900 is very expensive, but $400 for the player+iem package is manageable and would still be miles ahead of all of the wireless options.
Battery life is THE most important feature, in my opinion. I used a media player in the early days of smartphone, for that reason. Yes, the phone played music, it had a SD-card and all that. But, battery life wasn't that great. A dedicated player had great audio, performed a bit better at managing my music and ran for 12+ hours on a charge. My phone might die, but I still had music. Today, I would sort of need a powerbank level battery to go the dedicated player route. Plays music "forever" and can charge my phone when needed.
I'm in audiophile for 20 years. Invested in DAPs, amp, headphones a lot. Subscribed Tidal buy DSD files. But one day I just realized. Some budget headphone is pretty good enough. And some DAC sound really great. For on the go. Spotify just work. If I really want to get in to music really deep I still have good system at home with collection of CDs and vinyl. Why I have to play too much for just listen to music on the go? Then every audio gadget just overpriced for me. Like Ellis said, you can call me bad audiphile or anything.
It was an amazing review but you forgot the niche it was adressed to... audiophiles. You talked about Hi-Res, but you should also talk about the quality about the DAC. About the fact it is capable of driving very expensive headphones that uses a wire because those headphones can give a better, more detailed, deeper, rendition of those hi-res audio files. And that this device, the wire, the price are the sacrifice an audiophile would make to hear the difference. It is also why it is killing the battery fast. And these guys, the audiophiles, definitely hear that extra mile you would pay a lot for. I'm not one of them because first I don't have the money and second I trust the fact that it is like everything in life, you can get used to anything and if you don't spoil yourself to much them you don't miss/need what you don't know. My AirPods Pro are fine and wireless headphones/earbuds is a don’t look back feature. Or your review is simply showing that you see it from your tech pros lenses... Which also makes sense. So it is for audio pros yes. But it is also for audio nerds fanatics too. And they are far more of them on this planet than audio engineers. And Sony is targeting these guys. But it is also true that us, normal people appreciating the sound coming out of AirPods Pro and Sonos systems and others Bluetooth portable speakers, we wouldn’t make a good use of it.
Wow I can’t believe they still make those 😯 the answer to the question is no it is not needed but certainly wanted for those who just want something dedicated to listen to music.😊
OK, I bought a refurbished Galaxy phone with 128 Gb storage, plus an SD card slot, for $130. It has a better display, the newest version of Android operating system, a battery that will last all day running music when streaming or playing stored songs. It has a headphone jack and has good Bluetooth with no noticeable lag when using headphones or my car stereo, plus you know, is a phone, so it has mobile data access. And yes, I get the reason for having a separate audio device for use when I don't want to use my phone, but I have 3 older smartphones that I can use as both MP3 and streaming audio players. I have one I leave in the radio in the garage for when I am working out there.
Incidentally, the Apple music app on both iPhone and Android has options for EQ, some basic DSP effects, and hi-res lossless audio. It does a pretty good job of refining the audio of older lower resolution of older MP3s as well. All of this is completely pointless if you are going through a Bluetooth speaker or bud type headphones, the only way to hear a difference is to use higher quality headphones or some other higher quality stereo setup (like the stereo in my car).
I think this product has a lot to do with nostalgia for Sony, the reason being the "Walkman" brand was most likely the flagship of Sony back in the '80s and still a great money maker in the '90s. I also think that it's geared towards people with a far more disposable income, because the only time that I've ever seen it was inside the premium audio room where they sell brands like "Mcintosh"(not to be confused with Macintosh/Apple) at a "BestBuy" location.
I have an older Walkman. It was like $200. That is totally worth it. No Android but I already have a smartphone and I put there all the music I’ve bought for 15 years. Cant beat hardware buttons and the customisation for EQing to your taste
To hear the DSEE difference, you need really good iem or cans (mostly endgame lvl like Odin, trialli, tia fourte, etc), also 4.4m connection (with a true grounding point using the 3.5mm as the ground) to really hear a difference, but the difference will be very noticeable. Also, music with more notes in the bass region or treble will see the DSEE effect more as well. 3.5mm with regular headphones, no you will not hear the difference. Try DSEE with high end monitors like some usher or Wilson audio, you’ll notice a difference too.
A few years ago i was very much into portable music and these high end player, even owned devices more expensive than this, and despite not being a person with any audio-related qualifications, i really loved the sound character of them, they did have a lot to offer. When in a quiet environment. Out on the street, while commuting, etc, these differences just fade into the background noise, and after a while i realised that for my listening needs, these are much too overkill and expensive. So in a nutshell, i really do appreciate the quality of these high end gadgets, but at the same time, cannot justify the price over a fairly mundane set of earphones and listening from my phone. Same goes for this Sony, and especially because of the Android UI dragging it down.
I've been using the player for a few weeks now, the battery was horrible for the first few days and improved a lot over the next few weeks. I'm not too sure how.
Genuinely a brilliant video. All explanations where beginner friendly while still having enough detail for true audiophiles to not get annoyed that it's over simplified. As someone who will 100% die on the hill that LDAC transmitting hi-res audio is way better than AAC, it makes me cry a little that Ellis still prefers his airpods. That being said, it is highly dependant on what kind of music you're listening to. If you're just listening to pop music or anything made to sound good to just the general listener then it doesn't matter. But for me listening to nuanced classical music and music dense in detail like Jacob Collier, the difference is night and day. Loved the video though and would love to see more like it!
This trio killed it, I loved the contrast between each segment of how the Walkman performed from the actual phone experience with miles to the audiophile perspective with Ellis, it was really well done
Ikr
All I watch is BS craps here.
-DAP buyers dont care about those screens and Androids.
-DAP buyers dont buy the thing because of the Bluetooth because of those phone jacks.
-DAP buyers use the phone as a phone only
Okay Miles is a natural on camera, great explaining and good pace
I was so surprised by him too. Great job Miles.
Reminds me a lot of Mrwhosetheboss, just less British.
Hes from 9to5mac. Hes no rookie
As Darren stated. He was on 9to5 Mac and I believe left to do his own auto channel.
I didn't realize he worked with MKBHD.
Well for me he is the shrinking version of MKBHD 😂
Love how he present a product!!
As a professional audio engineer I really hope there are more videos like this. Sound is often overlooked in a lot of tech products.
Often? Always.
I'm not convinced it was a good test though, as mentioned in my reaction to the video.
sadly this video hardly talks about anything then mainstream listening experience..
As engineer this is one of the dumbest videos I’ve ever seen, 0000 test with IEM’s etc
These reviews from the whole MKBHD team are great! Would love to see more
These group of people Marques has assembled are really amazing. It's kinda trippy seeing the studio sets but other people sitting there reviewing products, yet the video is still amazingly well produced.
About the Walkman itself, I saw a tweet pop off and people replied they're getting their first Walkman ever. Hope they get to see this video before making the purchase.
Get some sleep Ellis.
Ellis' explanation of Hi-res Audio was beginner friendly and super educational. He's great!
Except that he didn't explain that the importance of it is not that great at all since 16/44.1 is already enough for our human ears. I mean that misalignment of the curve is because his example had 16 steps while 16 bit audio have 65536, with the last bit of misalignment is saved by dithering. So it's a very exaggerated example.
Also his blindtest is also very flawed, I mean he compared highres from that Sony with 256kbps AAC on an very old iPod, so the difference that they heard was the Sony vs iPod, not highres vs lowres.
Highres audio is just a label that companies slap on to try to sell more products, not for the consumers to get an actual audible difference.
@@gurratell7326 Sorry for the confusion, let me try and clear some of this up. The example wave was supposed to be at 4 bits (15 in decimal) and 23 Hertz, which due to the Nyquist Shannon theorem is an unusable sample rate, purely for simple educational purposes. You are correct about the dithering, although that comes more into play when resampling at different rates, not when playing a single file back natively.
As for the tests, each person listened to 8 pairs of recordings, each one testing different things. Test 1 was the iPod vs Walkman, tests 2-3 were low res files, one played natively off the hard drive vs upscaled in the Walkman’s DSEE engine. 4-6 were testing hi res tidal streams on the Walkman DAC vs the iPhone DAC, and test 8 was about DSD on high res audio. None of these were supposed to provide benchmarks, just to see how big a difference these things made to regular people. Hope this helped clear things up and thanks for watching!!
@@ellisrovin Yeah I mean it's a good way to show how it works :) But I just felt that you should have emphasized that the actual importance of high res. It has been discussed for quite many years now but with the general consensus being that it's very quite overrated (except when actually working with it).
About the dithering, it is (or at least should be) always applied when downsampling to eliminate any quantization errors. Dithering might also be done in the DAC depending on how the inner workings of it. But in the end the bit depth is all about noise floor, and the sample rate is about how high frequencies you can cover. This should also have been emphasized imo :)
As for the test. Again, since you in most tests compared with both different formats and different DACs I don't see how those tests is relevant for anything? If you are going to test lowres to highres then you should have EVERYTHING the same except for the formats themselves. So doing the test the way you did will just confuse the viewers of the importance of highres. I mean I agree with your conclusion about the Sony, but how you came to (or at least showed) those conclusions where a bit off imo :)
@@gurratell7326 I hear where you’re coming from. Only test 1 compared low res to high res on different devices, the other 7 only changed one factor and that was the device.
I think you’re quickly discovering what makes covering a device like the Walkman so difficult. There are a bunch of advantages to high res audio, a higher sample rate will let you raise your antialiasing filter which yes gives you more highs, but also will reduce phase and distortion (bc antialias filters have steep roll offs that induce phase and filter ring). In the same light, raising your bit rate will lower your noise floor, but it will also lower distortion AND give you higher resolution at multiple gains for samples quantized at a low level.
But also, who cares? I mean I care, I have a degree in audio engineering, but even I can accept these giant mathematical concepts reproduce themselves as minute sound adjustments. And I don’t want to make a math video. I mean, I do, but I don’t think the audience wants a math video hahahaha
I’ll definitely dive deeper into quantization, sampling, amps, dither, all of it in later videos. But the first cut of this video was 30 min and no one needs 15 min of me talking about sample rate 😭
@@ellisrovin Ah maybe I misunderstood what you wrote then, because I read everything as you did all your tests on the Walkman DAC vs the iPhone DAC, but I guess you meant as you did some tests on the Walkman and other on the iPhone?
Higher sample rate can give you more highs yeah, but 44.1khz already give high enough I'd say, especially since most adults don't hear over 16khz anyways, and stuff like phase distortion ain't audible at all anyways, so personally I wouldn't suggest anyone to bother with higher sample rates :)
Higher bit depth will give lower noise floor yes, but seeing that 16 bits 96dB+ will give you a dead quite speaker for most places in the world, I mean a _quite_ room is at 20dB, so you'd have to turn that speaker up to say 120dB to hear any noise, but then that noise is drowned in music anyways, so wouldn't worry about that either :)
That's my take on it anyways, and I appreciate yours! And also that we get some more audio nerd videos about it ^^
Btw, if you haven't seen it yet, look up Xiph's "D/A and A/D" demonstration here on TH-cam, quality stuff!
Miles’ voice is mad soothing.
Was thinking the exact same thing
Dang!!! 🔥
MKBHD Beta
I want him to read to me before bed. So chill. I might build an AI model of his voice…
He looks like mine mkbhd
Great to see Miles working with the MKBHD team. Missed seeing him on 9to5. Please tell me this is not temporary. He is an absolute pleasure to listen to.
Despite the device that was reviewed :) This was another excellent quality video. Adam is a pro from sound guys but so glad to see Miles and Ellis getting some air time. A truly amazing team you have assembled, Marques!
It would be great to compare the Walkman to something more similar, like one of the FiiO DAPs that are recognized in the audio enthusiast world. The conclusion that a DAP is not comparable to a smartphone, and that a DAP is not recommended for “regular” music listeners is not a far fetched one. But that is also not the target audience - someone looking to buy a dedicated audio streaming device for $500+ already knows that it does not compare to a smartphone. They want to know how does it fare with high impedance headphones, what DAC is used, what amp is used, how much power does the balanced output deliver… I like the way that the review was set up and how different facets were presented, but for me it missed the main talking points I would like to know about a DAP.
Using most popular music as test material for audiophile gear is like test driving a Ferrari in stop and go traffic. To really see what it can do, you need source material with less compression like classical or jazz, or other styles with more acoustic instruments. Popular music is dynamically compressed, which by nature, means that it will sound pretty similar regardless of the playback system.
Miles is an amazing presenter and reviewer! I know the main MKBHD channel is mostly Marques, but I’d love to see more Miles over there. Seriously professional!
This channel has become the one I get most excited about posting a "uploading..." tweet. Amazing content.
When complaining about the running Android 12 they came in spitting distance of the reason but missed. DAPs like this do run customized android builds, but rather than being “heavily skinned” the customization is to the audio system. Compared to phones it may seem old, but in this product category Android 12 is pretty much just starting to show up on new device models. I’ve seen several comments holding up Fiio as a more deserving competitor for review, but their newest DAPs are *still* on Android 10.
1:18 Miles was not mad, he was disappointed
I actually own one of these, and the difference in sound quality is clear compared to even my Xperia Pro-i. While most people probably wouldn't care enough or listen intently enough to notice the differences, they can be heard and felt. Every day since owning this thing, I've come across at least a few songs where I'm like "wow, I never heard that before."
Not all my music is high-res, but I do have a good portion. Anything new I buy I will pretty much only buy in high res. However, there are subtle improvements on even CD quality tracks that are noticeable with DSEE HX enabled. Particularly, there is a little more depth and the highs don't sound as crunched. On really poor quality tracks that date before iTunes and whatnot, you definitely can hear a much larger difference with DSEE enabled. Where as without it, you really don't want to listen to it. It makes those tracks sound listenable.
I really only use streaming services when I'm trying to discover new music to buy, or if I must hear a specific song I don't own. I love the hardware buttons because it allows me to not have to look at the device to change songs once you get used to the button placement.
Some people have said that the new Walkman is not super loud, especially on harder to run headphones. This is because a regulation was put in place, and the EU and North American versions have to follow a law which limits the amount of volume they can put out. This did not effect older Walkmans, and also if you buy the Asian version this can be avoided. I have no problem with the volume output of this device in most cases.
All that being said, I think the review was relatively fair. The Android interface is way slower than my Xperia, but I really don't mind. Once I have found what I am listening to I don't need it to be fast. I refuse to download any social media on this device too so that it stays focused to music. I did download almost every streaming platform on there from Qobuz to Apple Music to Amazon Music. It's nice because I don't need to have those installed on my phone now, though I will keep a couple.
The Walkman music interface is quite nice for searching and finding the songs. It shows you the file type and all that. You can even sort from songs based on quality, to an extent. So it can auto-separate high res, CD quality, and then compressed. The explanation of high-res was pretty good indeed. You can also still have access to cloud services which is really nice, like OneDrive or Google Drive. This way you can add songs from the cloud if you want. I have a 500 gig SD card in this thing so I have plenty of space. For more files it's about halfway full with music though, nothing other than apps on the internal storage.
Its primary purpose isn't for games or Instagram or sending texts and multitasking. It's a device built basically for listening to music in a very intentional way. So while it's not the fastest device there isn't really a need for it to be as it is fast enough for intended uses.
I think what a lot of tech reviews get wrong is that a great device doesn't have to be one that everyone has to need. You can still love a product for its intended uses while also agreeing that many might not feel they need a device like this.
Fellow Pro-I user here 👋🏼 What Walkman do you own? I recently bought sony mdr z1r headphones so I am looking to get a walkman myself. Any recommendations?
I totally agree with what you've said here. I have the Sony NW A306 and it sounds better than any other device I have ever used. It's because it has high quality components that an iPhone can only dream about. I really don't understand why these reviewers couldn't tell the difference.
Love seeing more of the studio members on the channel 👌🏾
Damn I just learned a lot about audio than I ever knew (especially the sound curve replication that Ellis explained). Just after I got my new Nothing Ear (2). Time to look for audio codecs in the developer settings. Thanks guys.
No idea why Sony doesn't use the Walkman idea and make it into a smartphone. A smartphone with a nice OLED display but with a lot of the walkman tech.
This is a dope video, my only nitpick personally would be that I feel like your graph representing the nitrate and quality should have changed to show additional levels and intervals instead of showing the same graph and talking about what could be different. However as an editor and animator that definitely isn’t the easiest animation in the world so I get why it wasn’t done.
Loved this format, with more people from the Studio as hosts, all of you speak very well, and the video itself is great: quality, script, subject. All of it!
Every time i watched a video on miles’ channel all I could think of was how much he looked like marques.
Adam absolutely nailed that VSauce transition. 😂
Okay THIS is my favorite Studio episode to date! Love this review format
To tell you the truth apple is lacking in sound quality I have a iPad and when I steam music to my paradigms they sound dull and lifeless, when I use my S22 ultra to stream their is no comparison, the ultra wins flat out. You guys sound like amachures what receiver or speakers did you use, none? The you should sit down and shut up.
Love that Ellis is a Jacob Collier fan! Great video all around from the studio team
Great video. I'm an electronics engineer, and your explanation of the sampling and quantization process is awesome. You made the point without any jargon - that's cool!
Subjective take , as an audiophile I can swing by both ways using Apple Music + AirPods Pro gen 2 or a DAP and my IEMs. Yes AirPods Pro gen 2 with Apple Music is solid as Bluetooth is getting good but with IEMs , you are plugging straight to the 4.4mm uninterrupted analog signal and my IEMs are harder to drive anyways . Phone and apple dongles are fine but the 4.4mm balanced makes my IEM sound more tight and spacious .
Ellis killed it 🔥 Looking forward to more detailed audio reviews in the future.
I got a Sony Nwa55 Walkman just before they were discontinued as I didn’t want the bad android or battery experience. It does last better and doesn’t feel outdated as it’s not comparable to a phone OS. Definitely does have better sound when using a cable to my XM4s - but I find myself mostly still using AirPods and my phone. “Novelty for a few hours” is a great way to sum it up. Great video guys.
reason why daps like these don't get current software is because with new software you'd have to also run them on new hardware...
the name of the game is noise, and new hardware injects a lot of noise in the signal path...
whether you can hear the difference boils down to experience and how resolving your transducers are...
the tests you guys conducted really only implies that they couldn't tell the difference within a short time frame
Great point! This chip is very old though, and there are definitely newer, better chips that have low noise floors worked out.
We didn’t show much of the tests, but each person listened to 8 different songs across 45 min to an hour, we just didn’t show the whole test to keep the video time shorter. I’ll make sure to go into greater detail about the nature of the test next time we do it!
@@ellisrovin oh I'm talking about over a period of time, not within hours but days. I know when I listen to my gear i need at least a day or two to acclimate myself whenever I switch to a different headphone. We are so sensitive to these changes but you need time to build it in to your "auditory muscle memory." And once you gain more experience and try different stuff the time it takes for you to hear those differences are much shorter IME. Additionally, you eliminate a lot of the variables like mood, state of mind, ambient noise levels, and what not. But I'm sure this wasn't that kind of video so the context will be much different. At the end of the day most people are fine with "good enough" anyway and won't care about a true hifi experience, and there's nothing wrong with that. A little sad tho...
the more we try to make stand alone gadgets , the more u realise how good smart phones are and how they have stole the game from almost every other stand alone gadgets .
This is a fantastic video. Please make more in this style!
Bros really thought they could switch Marques out on April Fools’ Day and we wouldn’t notice
Ya’ll hired Miles?? Amazing I love that guy. Hyped to see him more!
He's around for a while but behind the scenes.
Hired from where? Was he in another video before?
@@techboy95 used to be with 9to5 Mac I believe?
happy to see miles joining the channel! his work with 9to5mac was awesome
This was a really good video! Loved how everone got on camera and how surprisingly in depth this went
Miles! There you are! Congratulations on the new position. This studio team is so epic.
Favorite Studio video so far! I love the loose relaxed structure and the various personalities here at the studio channel. Definitely an A+ in my book!
I really enjoyed Ellis's breakdown. From the Podcast it seems like he always has silly interjections, but I appreciated his knowledge, explanations, and opinions.
Great job on this one! I've always wondered about these insane products and it answered a ton of questions that I had.
This reminded me of those "monster speaker wire vs coat hanger" tests that revealed zero difference between the two. Seems like the audiophile market is full of grifts.
Miles has such a presence on the camera, keep up the good work bro
The format of this video was awesome!! Very fun! It was nice to see Miles as well.
As for the device...
I feel it's so close to being good, by virtue of being unique, but the amount of things that they did wrong blow my mind. I really feel it could be a gadget that few people buy but love and defend greatly.
Kinda like Canoopsy using a classic Walkman and the novelty of it being cool.
I dunno... I am most impressed by the terrible battery life given how chunky it is haha
I had no knowledge of that developer animation's setting omfg. Definitely the most useful tip from this video
This video was great, well done everyone involved! I hadn't heard about this product and as a person who loves listening to music I was curious about it, but the price tag immediately put me off and then the negatives just kept on piling up. Really appreciated the in-depth analysis and break-down of the features. Would love to watch more of this type of video!
Really appreciate these in depth and fun reviews from the Studio team! I’m here for em’!!
Love the dynamic between everyone. Glad to see the different ways each part was covered
I really wish I knew the reason behind that price .
My question is what headphones were used?
The benefit of a walkman is the ability to use more powerful headphones. if you're using normal bluetooth or normal wired headsets below $150-300 the difference would be noticeable but not crazy. However with better headphones $800+ it makes a world of difference.
at-least thats my understanding.
Everything about this video hit, the depth and clarity of the explanations and the flow between all 3 of your segments of the video! You all contributed your own thoughts and they created an incredibly well rounded review, much love would love to see more of this audio trio 🙏🙏
Miles should have his own "mkbhd" channel I really liked his approach.
This Walkman section is, in my opinion, is for classified ur class in social. Clearly people are wealthy or audiofile could be its customer targeted.
It's not an Android device, Android just as it surfaces to interact with or for control function only purpose.
The rest is internal, its hardware which is expensive, precision made and unique audio technology from Sony.
Like u having an vinyl player in ur house, which could be boring and old in terms of common customers. But in the eyes of audiofile expertise or wealth people who are asking for unique products, who perhaps dont want something could distract while working, this device is for them.
These sort of reviews are so informative as it illustrates differences in perspectives across generations and audiences. Due to social media and companies using 'influencers', we see more reviews for specialty devices performed by those who are not deeply immersed in high-end audio. Not a criticism as everyone has an area of specialization.
Many of us who have memories of the Sony Walkman are probably reflecting on a more common and general purpose version of the device. As you have illustrated, this level of Walkman is an audio DAC targeted to audiophiles and not meant to be a replacement for a mobile phone for music consumption.
For comparison, check out the Moon Audio review of the Sony NW-ZX707 Walkman to see how a company that reviews and specializes in high-end audio evaluates the same product. Thanks for bringing in the additional perspective.
Great to see Miles working with you guys, looking forward to see him on more videos
Who tf is Miles and why is he on par with the king, Mr. Brownlee?! This channel has elevated 👏 👏
Miles is MKBSD
Damn that’s fucked up 😂
Nice one 😂😂😂😂😂
A306 is for wired and uncompressed lossless.
For things like Spotify wireless you may as well use your phone.
Have you ever seen Miles and Marques in the same room? I didn’t…
The honesty of this review is refreshing. Even has an audio nerd and hi-res streamer, I can't make a case for this over any modern smartphone and one of the many amazing, super-portable USB/Lightning DACs that are cheaper, smaller, and offer the same (or better) audio firepower and format compatibility.
I use a Logitech Squeezebox Touch for my bedroom audio streaming (playing from either Qobuz or files stored on a NAS) through a solid-state amplifier, out to my speakers. The files on the NAS are FLAC.
When attaching my Mac Mini to my amplifier and switching between the Squeezebox and the Mac, I can definitely tell a difference. The Squeezebox sounds much better, although the Mac Mini sounds extremely good by itself.
I think it's due to the Squeezebox having dedicated L+R outputs.
When comparing FLAC to AAC on my Mac (using Foobar2000), I can tell a difference. However, it is not a huge difference.
Playing songs from Daft Punk's Random Access Memories is great to test this out. The FLAC contains more frequencies that we can't hear, but I suspect that I can hear a difference because it moves more air.
On my iPhone, I have some locally stored AAC files, but I predominantly just stream from Apple Music 🤣
I definitely wouldn't bother with the Walkman!
There's a part of me that likes the idea of a device dedicated to "only" music, as long as its audio components are genuinely higher end audio components.
Focusing on any of the Android stuff at all feels like missing the point.
I have daily driven walkman before with great in ear headphones. Not the crazy expensive version but the mid tear consumer ones. At that time the audio hardware and features were great, now at a later age, smartphone hardware is great too for most music and AAC streaming with a convenient Bluetooth headphone is a comfort i can not let go of anymore and can barely hear the difference. That is another thing that ears adapt quickly!.
That being said, I never hear Vangelis Antarctica like i did on the walkman i had again.. 😢 it was magic. And Flac of some songs gits different and some are negligible. What matters most today is how the song is mastered.
Couldn’t agree more with this. Tracking down the correct masters for these tests was such a pain! We didn’t wanna play a “high res” master when it was just a CD master upsampled
I am from India and we have some great music too but the quality of recording instruments and sampling from 80's vs Western is really crappy. What is amazing is Japanese music from the same era... The quality of mastering is great even with not so great recording instruments.
@@Keyur-Suthar another great point. Can you send me some of this 80s Indian music? I would love to hear what you’re talking about?
WE NEED MORE OF THESE ENDINGS 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I got to say I'm pretty disappointed with this video. I started with high hopes, but immediately got shot down by their lack of knowledge in what this device is supposed to be. Miles kept on saying this is not a normal Android device or a phone, but kept on comparing it to a freaking phone anyway? Who approved this script?
I mean
U could get a £500 phones that's better as a phone than this, and also buy a very good portable dac for a few hundred and I would guess that the latter would give an overall better experience, for example
So I would say that comparing with an AVG phone is fair
I got myself a lower end player and I can enjoy the perks of the better audio without feeling bad about myself. $900 is very expensive, but $400 for the player+iem package is manageable and would still be miles ahead of all of the wireless options.
Son: "I want MKBHD!"
Mom: 2:42 "We got MKBHD at home!"
The guy on the left looks like twin brother of MKBHD 😂😂😂
Battery life is THE most important feature, in my opinion. I used a media player in the early days of smartphone, for that reason. Yes, the phone played music, it had a SD-card and all that. But, battery life wasn't that great. A dedicated player had great audio, performed a bit better at managing my music and ran for 12+ hours on a charge. My phone might die, but I still had music.
Today, I would sort of need a powerbank level battery to go the dedicated player route. Plays music "forever" and can charge my phone when needed.
Devastating ending, really rooting for them to move onto the next round of Studio Idol!!
I'm in audiophile for 20 years. Invested in DAPs, amp, headphones a lot. Subscribed Tidal buy DSD files.
But one day I just realized. Some budget headphone is pretty good enough. And some DAC sound really great. For on the go. Spotify just work. If I really want to get in to music really deep I still have good system at home with collection of CDs and vinyl. Why I have to play too much for just listen to music on the go? Then every audio gadget just overpriced for me.
Like Ellis said, you can call me bad audiphile or anything.
Marques looks different today... 😂
It was an amazing review but you forgot the niche it was adressed to... audiophiles. You talked about Hi-Res, but you should also talk about the quality about the DAC. About the fact it is capable of driving very expensive headphones that uses a wire because those headphones can give a better, more detailed, deeper, rendition of those hi-res audio files. And that this device, the wire, the price are the sacrifice an audiophile would make to hear the difference. It is also why it is killing the battery fast. And these guys, the audiophiles, definitely hear that extra mile you would pay a lot for. I'm not one of them because first I don't have the money and second I trust the fact that it is like everything in life, you can get used to anything and if you don't spoil yourself to much them you don't miss/need what you don't know. My AirPods Pro are fine and wireless headphones/earbuds is a don’t look back feature. Or your review is simply showing that you see it from your tech pros lenses... Which also makes sense. So it is for audio pros yes. But it is also for audio nerds fanatics too. And they are far more of them on this planet than audio engineers. And Sony is targeting these guys. But it is also true that us, normal people appreciating the sound coming out of AirPods Pro and Sonos systems and others Bluetooth portable speakers, we wouldn’t make a good use of it.
Miles is there now? That’s amazing, he was my favorite on 9to5 Mac
We need more Miles in front of the camera!
Marques 2.0 is on the team now!!!
FINALLY!! I can finally re-subscribe to the Marques network again. took you long enough
Wow I can’t believe they still make those 😯 the answer to the question is no it is not needed but certainly wanted for those who just want something dedicated to listen to music.😊
OK, I bought a refurbished Galaxy phone with 128 Gb storage, plus an SD card slot, for $130. It has a better display, the newest version of Android operating system, a battery that will last all day running music when streaming or playing stored songs. It has a headphone jack and has good Bluetooth with no noticeable lag when using headphones or my car stereo, plus you know, is a phone, so it has mobile data access. And yes, I get the reason for having a separate audio device for use when I don't want to use my phone, but I have 3 older smartphones that I can use as both MP3 and streaming audio players. I have one I leave in the radio in the garage for when I am working out there.
Incidentally, the Apple music app on both iPhone and Android has options for EQ, some basic DSP effects, and hi-res lossless audio. It does a pretty good job of refining the audio of older lower resolution of older MP3s as well. All of this is completely pointless if you are going through a Bluetooth speaker or bud type headphones, the only way to hear a difference is to use higher quality headphones or some other higher quality stereo setup (like the stereo in my car).
I think this product has a lot to do with nostalgia for Sony, the reason being the "Walkman" brand was most likely the flagship of Sony back in the '80s and still a great money maker in the '90s. I also think that it's geared towards people with a far more disposable income, because the only time that I've ever seen it was inside the premium audio room where they sell brands like "Mcintosh"(not to be confused with Macintosh/Apple) at a "BestBuy" location.
I have an older Walkman. It was like $200. That is totally worth it. No Android but I already have a smartphone and I put there all the music I’ve bought for 15 years. Cant beat hardware buttons and the customisation for EQing to your taste
Absolutely amazing vid, good job guys!!!
To hear the DSEE difference, you need really good iem or cans (mostly endgame lvl like Odin, trialli, tia fourte, etc), also 4.4m connection (with a true grounding point using the 3.5mm as the ground) to really hear a difference, but the difference will be very noticeable. Also, music with more notes in the bass region or treble will see the DSEE effect more as well. 3.5mm with regular headphones, no you will not hear the difference. Try DSEE with high end monitors like some usher or Wilson audio, you’ll notice a difference too.
I love the distinct aesthetic of the studio channel. It's noticeably different from the main one.
I need this man in more things, like now. My ADHD hyperfocus has found a focus
that Miles guy is so smooth, hope to hear more from him.
I loved this video! Sure hope to get more audio related content in this channel and MKBHD
A few years ago i was very much into portable music and these high end player, even owned devices more expensive than this, and despite not being a person with any audio-related qualifications, i really loved the sound character of them, they did have a lot to offer. When in a quiet environment. Out on the street, while commuting, etc, these differences just fade into the background noise, and after a while i realised that for my listening needs, these are much too overkill and expensive. So in a nutshell, i really do appreciate the quality of these high end gadgets, but at the same time, cannot justify the price over a fairly mundane set of earphones and listening from my phone. Same goes for this Sony, and especially because of the Android UI dragging it down.
Does Ellis have his own channel where he covers similar topics? I really like the way how he presents
Subscribed ! Finally a channel talking seriously about audio and DAP , I did just bought a ZX300 and will soon invest in an ZX507
As someone who doesn’t know much about “good audio”, I appreciate the deep dive!
I've been using the player for a few weeks now, the battery was horrible for the first few days and improved a lot over the next few weeks. I'm not too sure how.
I wish Sony brought back point and shoot cameras
Genuinely a brilliant video. All explanations where beginner friendly while still having enough detail for true audiophiles to not get annoyed that it's over simplified. As someone who will 100% die on the hill that LDAC transmitting hi-res audio is way better than AAC, it makes me cry a little that Ellis still prefers his airpods. That being said, it is highly dependant on what kind of music you're listening to. If you're just listening to pop music or anything made to sound good to just the general listener then it doesn't matter. But for me listening to nuanced classical music and music dense in detail like Jacob Collier, the difference is night and day.
Loved the video though and would love to see more like it!
Listening to music on my airpods pro connected to Sony walkman/my phone made me realise what I have been missing!!!Sound quality is phenomenal
Broo what is this voice? So clean and smooth
Dude Miles you're killing it!
This review was a lot of fun. Time well spent!
So good of you getting Marques from wish to add in this video
when I first saw miles, I was like "damn, marquess got buff or something?"
Get a camera in front of Miles more! This man is a natural!
Miles is just the lite version of marques and you can't unsee that
Miles looks like a ripped version of Marques! 😂