Justin Marshall on the All Blacks' 26-10 loss to South Africa
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- Martin Devlin chats with former All Blacks halfback and Sky Sports rugby commentator Justin Marshall following the All Blacks' 26-10 loss at the hands of the Springboks in Nelspruit. That makes it five losses in six tests and three in a row for the New Zealand men. But Marshall still has hope that this team can play better.
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I was walking with my girlfriend when a knife welding man wanted our wallets threatening to stub us. Instantly I run away and my girlfriend lost her wallet. When I caught up with her later, she was traumatised but also angry at me. I said to her: “ I thought that was my fastest run this year. Can we at least celebrate that?”. That’s how these media clowns are defending Foster’s statement.
😂😂😂
"something special is brewing"
Omg lmfao , what a comment, holy shit 😂 😂 😂
you got stubbed real bad bros, wait watch the BOKKE destroy that fledgling wallabies side lol
@@samuelhowell7364 Omg as a South African I neve take both the Wallabies, neither the ABs for granted. Let's not get over confident here, we 've learned that lesson a long time ago lol.
New Zealand commentators keep bringing up fitness and that the Springboks were 'gassed'. I really don't understand this, the constant line speed and dominating the subsequent collision takes massive amounts of energy. And the Springboks seems to turn that line speed up in the last 15min of every game (so do the Sharks). And for those who would bring up Trevor's first half sub, look at Angus Ta'avao's face and body after the first scrum he won at the end of the first half; he was done too.
What exactly does "gassed" mean or insinuating.. just so we all clear ??
@@craiggoodwin7556 bruh 💀💀
Totally agree Nawa.
@@craiggoodwin7556 "Gassed" can either mean 'tired' or it can mean 'excited' (in UK slang).
In this context, gassed means tired/fatigued.
Boks have a simple philosophy about their front-rowers specifically. related to heart-rate, % of original fitness level, and other factors. If a player goes below that, off they come. No matter if it's one minute before, or two minutes after the break. Dragging a player to half-time for the sake of it does not make sense anymore. Fittest (freshest) players on the field at all times.
I feel like Justin would do way better if he was a commentator outside of the NZR scene, because we need voices like him that are honest and does not hold back.
Won't be held back when hes trying to fight Akira 😂
Yep, good analyst, horrible commentator
@@Forcez89 Really? I think he's the best commentator on the Sky Sport team. Passion, smarts and great articulation of what's going on
@@justinmeade5313 Mate, don’t disrespect Nisbo in that way
@@Forcez89 "GET OUT OF THE ROAD" Nisbo classic 😂
JM is so cool to listen to. With much love and respect from the Republic.
South African here. Listening to Justin describe playing at Ellis Park gave me lump in my throat. Hoping the All Blacks can step up and give us another classic contest on Saturday. Good luck to both sides.
I remember that series 2 great sides going at it for 3 tests nothing better as an abs fan that waking up in the early hours and watching a test at Ellis park
Remember when the all blacks beat the boks by over 70 points? It was a few years back maybe 2015
The All Blacks are just going through a phase, happens to all the great sides. They are and always will be the most formidable rugby team to play against. The fact that the Boks lift their game when they play against them is testament to that. As a South African, we want to beat the best and the AB's set the bar!!
Not at the moment they don't.
I think you must speak for yourselves and not for all South Africans. The All Blacks are not the best in the world at present. They get beaten by other teams for goodness sake. We beat them comprehensively in Nelspruit. We whipped them, because we are the world champions at the moment. Enjoy it, my friend. You may. You have the right to, and we have the team to back us up!
I am going to back them. Go Bokke!!!!
So true man, everyone goes through dips. Ireland and France seem to be peaking right now; Wales have been in a slump; England are looking to be on the up again as are SA (SA know a lot about slumps)... I think NZ fans are just maybe not so used to it after a few years of domination ahaha!
This was exactly what I said in my comment way up top. SA prefer a strong ABs team, we wanted to be tested againt a strong team, not one struggling preferable, because we've always rated our game vs how we play vs the ABs, hence we hope they are back on form soon. We don't kick the ABs and their supporters when we down, we've been there many times too, it sucks. Instead we rooting for NZ and hope your team is back on t rack soon, seriously, all teams go though bad patches for sure, so don't stress too much h over it, tbh. Good luck.
@@wollieerasmus9444 Hie didn't mean the ABs is currently the best team of course, I think he's wording came out wrong. The way I read it is that he is suggesting that hte ABs is consistently the better team or maybe even the best øver long periods of time. Go check out their trophy case and you'll see that. But atm they're struggling of course, but it will only be temporary, we all know that, SA and the Boks too, me as a huge Bok supporter know they might even beat us this coming Saturday, don't be over confident now mate ffs lololol?
This All Blacks team looks like they have no "connection" with those around them. To watch the All Blacks running into each other while attempting to run a backline move, or 2 guys bumping into each other when going up for a high ball just shows the lack of communication and/or connection between the players. This, I believe, is down to the lack of an apparent game plan, or a plan that the players can play to or believe in. Whatever the reason, I've never seen the All Blacks play so individually. A star team will always beat a team of stars, and at the moment the All Blacks are the latter.
The backline need to go off and run on a paddock with no ball.just jog round chatting to each other do sprints in combination.Running off the hip running change of angles develop little subtle signs or words indicating change of direction.then give them a ball and have them do the same ,but practice short short long passing ( same as footy draw in the defenders).practice passing into space for the receiver to run on to(far too much stutter steps to wait for the ball).line up at 30 odd degrees to be able to run on to the ball and run in pairs for short flick balls..have the fullback and wing practice running off each other ,running opposite to the backline movement to change direction of attack.failing all that go and watch the 1986 Springbok backline ...best ever on the planet ever( im a nzer)
I think this assessment you’ve made sums up the Crusaders very well. They’ve not always been the most star-studded team, but they play as a team no matter what. The All Blacks used to understand that principle, and now, they just look like a bunch of individuals
Fully agree with you… seems that the ABs have lost their identity….
The reason is perfectly obvious and nothing will change till the problem is dealt to. Most of us fans knew this was going to happen three years ago, it's not surprising. Foster has taken NZ to being a third tier rugby nation all on his own. Foster has broken so many records he could even be in for international coach of the year.
Alas, I do not even see fifteen 'star' starters wearing black, team or not.
Saffa here with the world of respect for you guys. I think you guys have unrealistic expectations for your current crop of players, expecting them to continue performing like the Carter/McCaw halcyon days. You simply don't have the same level of talent anymore because these things fluctuate naturally. Now you need to work with what you've got to rebuild, and do so with humility instead of expecting the impossible. You guys will figure it out and we'll see you at the top again! Cheers
Dont think the ABs have ever quite fluctuated down this far before. Even in '98 when we lost 5 in a row there wasn't the furor as now, because then we always looked like it, sometimes losing to a last minute penalty, still were always capable of breaking the advantage line. The ABs have the history they have because they NEVER settle for second best EVER. The players in the past has said they'd never have it any other way, that fear of losing was like the fear of God. The Springboks may settle for occasional periods of mediocrity. Manchester United may also. The NY Yankees also, but NEVER THE ALL BLACKS.
@@pat1589 Never settle for periods of mediocrity and yet you failed to win a world cup for *twenty years* from 1991-2011! Your 2011 victory was also a patent robbery courtesy of some outrageous refereeing.
I love the ABs as much as the next guy, but the idea that they've always been number one is an absurdity. They've spent many, many years in the wilderness and though they're definitely the world's number one side in trophies and accolades earned they have had many slumps since the start of the pro era.
@@davesmith826 each one of those world cups they haven't won they went there believing they'd win..often the best. No one but the ABs were guns win in '15. It was only a semi loss in '19 where we didn't look like it. In '95 we were an unbelievably good team that tournament, still the best ever final, titanic. Lost in the wilderness? Are you serious? That's a bizzare comment.
@@pat1589 I see, so even when the All Blacks don't win they're still the best because ... they believe they are? What they believe is irrelevant. What they achieve on the field is what counts. And those achievements read twenty years without a world cup. For a team that apparently 'never settles for second best EVER', that's quite the wilderness.
@@pat1589 all due respect pat, but it looks like you may need to start settling for some mediocrity. at least for now.
We used to offload both inside and out against rush defences. That’s certainly disappeared.
That comes down to confidence...when you keep losing , its hard to do this..no confidence in each other
Doesn't matter what they do as long as they are poorly coached and badly prepared, no change will make any real difference.
Richie Mounga beats Barrett everyday of the week at footwork and beating rushing defenders. Crusaders vs blues final this year was the all blacks coaches opportunity to get a good view of their strengths at controlling a game. It's no wonder Hansen had Mounga at 10 and Barrett at 15
Justin Marshall is absolutely right. No matter what NZers feel about his commentary, he knows his rugby. He deserves to be respected. And he was immensely successful as a player. I really respect him despite the naysayers
The primary reason why the breakdown is a constant issue is the loose forward combination. Unless you change that, we are not going to improve. Similarly, if you pick props that are not noted as strong scrummagers, don’t be surprised if they get out scrummaged.
Reach out to Rassie… he has been in worse and is now seen as a water walker…
My take aways… 1 Get an open-side flanker that is a beast 2 Find the AB Identity 3 Have Fun.. All the best for the next test.. may rugby be the winner…
Surely Foster is gone?? Our attack is disorganised and yes our defence improved thanks to a new coach
Same defence coach
@@jaapbadlands yes but I meant our forward defence around mauls
Other teams worked out Hansen Ball in 2018. The AB's have struggled and been in decline ever since because their style is stale.
This breakdown sounds exactly like what Aussie pundits were saying about Wallaby performances against the AB's throughout the 2010's. I don't think the ability levels of the players is the problem. Their self belief and confidence in the game plan, their options and the tactics is. They look like whipped dogs out there.
@@HB-zi3og agree bro
Foster has lost the respect of the changing room, Foster is all talk and he doesn’t seem to have any idea, his game plan isn’t working. It’s not Foster out there playing, but it’s his player choices in the team. I don’t feel Cane, I still remember him bagging the fans out, when we were losing last year and people were speaking up. Now he has to eat humble pie and he will be possibly the worse AB’s captain of all time.
As a bokke fan, you damn right, the bokkes made ABs eat humble pie & made them look like little boys, we have true men here🇿🇦
He may or may not be the best captain, but he had a pretty decent game on Saturday. The guy that disappeared as he often does, was Akhira Ioane. That guy is just not test level material.
@@dantewalters518 I’ll agree with you about Arika not being in the team and even his brother is struggling with his form at centre, maybe they should change him back to wing and put either Clarke or Leicester in the centre. Sorry Cane gives away stupid penalties (Irish test taking out a player off the ball, in front of the ref) and isn’t a leader, people don’t listen to him, majority of the time he gets subbed off, he hasn’t been the same player since he broke his neck. Being the All Black captain is probably the toughest job in the country, but both him and Foster can’t take criticism, look at the way he was rude and condescending last year after the losses towards the fans, he is obviously learned from it as he really hasn’t spoken out against fans since, still he’ll is going to be the worse captain in AB’s history and that’s all people will remember about him in 10 years time.
@@tshifhiwaramatswana6862 Lets not lose our sense of sportsmanship mate.
The biggest problem I have is that every other countries critics are hoping NZ keeps Fozie. That is big
That's just a joke, we don't want to beat you and all we hear is Cane and Fozie. It's annoying, we would rather have you without excuses so you can just take the L
No mate, we here in SA is also saying get rid of Foster. Look it's gonna be extremely hard to find a replacement for Hansen period, we had the same issue after Jake White left the Boks as couch way back. You will just have to find the right coach, but Foster will have to go. No way a coach like Foster would survive in SA if we had to lose a few in a row, even Rassie and Nienaber will be kicked out at lightning speed. Here in SA it's all about winning, and if one coach can't do it, we find one until they start winning again, believe me lolol.
Same as when Jack White left the White Stripes.
@@gt2745 The Boks also struggled when Jake White left. U don't replace coaches the likes of Hansen and White overnight, it's gonna take time. But I don't think Foster is the answer, maybe time will tell, but how long is it gonna take???
I for one don't give a hoot who coaches the All Blacks. Just know that Robertson won't be breakdancing on South African soil any time soon.
The defence was better because South Africa don't run the same lines & decoys that Ireland run. Pretty easy when you've got a massive South African just running straight at you.
This is partially correct... its also to do with how Ireland set up behind ruck ball or scrum/mauls... they were constantly splitting their attackers making it hard for NZ to know for certain which direction they were running the ball
According to Marshall SA are better quality so it was more impressive losing miserably to them.
@@Camcolito But it is no slight on Ireland, but the Boks are better quality competition especially in their own back yard. The complete arrogance of this statement. Who would have the audacity to put down a team that whooped their arses in their back yard a couple of weeks back. This is a huge problem with the AB's and their arrogance, can't see the forest for the trees. They have no chance beating the Boks next week as they have 15 individual players and no team. The Boks just like the Irish and French have their number and more than likely the Wallabies will too.
@@Camcolito Better quality than Ireland? I would disagree there, SA look good but Ireland looked unbeatable against NZ.
@@joeboonmusic4004 It doesn't occur to Marshall that Ireland might have good players. Obviously will take another few spankings for the reality to sink in.
The team is going backwards with Foster as coach. The confidence has gone, the plan isn't working. Surely it's time for Foster to go. No more excuses.
can razor turn it around? Will they hire him as the next coach? World cup is around the corner. Will it add more chaos to what is happening now?
@@cptrugby1986 SA fired their coach 12months out from a world cup & went on to win. coaching, strategy & selections and leadership are key to performance on the day. The coach & captain need tobe held accountable for consistently poor results. Fozzie & Cane are consistent in their results and if you continue with them you’ll get the same poor results.
Have to say, I think it's amazing that you guys are talking about canning a coach who has a win record comparable with all other international coaches. It says something about AB rugby that their "low point" crisis is on the level of all other international teams.
Though I have to say, this AB team is good enough, a few inches or CM was the difference in some of those line breaks from the AB's. The game could have easily gone the other way, the AB defence was top notch. Remember, Attack wins games, defence wins tournaments.
I agree. Bok supporter
He doesn't have a win record comparable to Galthie or Farrell, especially against top teams.
@@Camcolito Galthie has a 78% win record, but that includes 4 games each against Wales, Italy and Scotland (and he lost 2 against Scotland). So not great level opposition, that NZ would have gotten 100% against those teams.
Farrell may be better (and I'm not sure he is), but it's early days for him. Remember back in 2015 when he took over England, he was the hottest coach in the world, taking them to 2 grand slams. Now he's on like a 60% win record like Fozzy.
@@Bobbydyland 72% according to this - th-cam.com/video/X1zBlGk7uVk/w-d-xo.html
I love the ABs and love watching that level of rugby. I have to say though on this occasion I actually enjoyed watching the Boks (not loosing to them and enduring their over the top fans) but rather their obvious grounding in basics of the game as they have risen through the grades and the excellent game they played ... not so with us lately I think ... bring back the all blacks who are THE team executing the basics to perfection and then doing the whizzy stuff.
Really well said Guys. I share both sentiments. 👌
Good call
We're not over the top fans . We love our team and the game. South Africans are never going to go to a game in a suit and tie and clap politely. You would have noticed that rugby in SA is a family affair. There are many children at the games and everybody's out for a good time.
I don't think we're over the top.
We share our passion differently in each country.
In NZL they are extremely traditional and very passionate.
In SA we're extremely proud, passionate and we have GEES. in a country where most things are either corrupted or people don't trust each other. Rugby is the one thing that we share a mutual feeling on. So it's not over the top.
@Nicholas Balasoglou The Boks' system is tailored perfectly for their players, or at least for the players the selectors have chosen and developed over the past ten or so years. It seems limited when compared with the more expansive game the likes of France and New Zealand play, but that it is only because it is more fan friendly, not because it is necessarily more successful. If running rugby won you everything, the Boks wouldn't be tied with the ABs on three world cups (with one fewer attempt I should add) and England wouldn't be the only northern hemisphere side with a Webb Ellis to its name. Union would also be a more uniform affair, closer to league in outcomes and approach and less interesting because of it.
In fairness, I understand that it's tough for the AB's fans seeing their team play like this but teams like France, Ireland, SA and even England have been constantly improving at all levels of the game (U20's, 7's & club level). Removing bias, can the new zealand honestly say the same? The NZRU really need to take a hard look at their structures and see if they're still fit for purpose. Yes Foster isn't the best coach for the role, but the AB's dip in form is far from his fault.
England are shit
Marshall et al are still in denial and it will take a few years of mediocrity for reality to seep into their thick skulls.
So how come the ABS aren’t ‘improving’ like everyone else? Instead they’re getting worse and have dropped to the lowest rank they’ve ever been in history. Bloody hell!!!
NZ Has plenty of good players it's the selectors not wanting to select them and the coach not wanting to play them
@@Scyon13 or chopping and changing and playing them out of position. That’s undermining the confidence of the players who play in the positions they know they’re good at. That’s the coaches responsibility so I agree 💯 with you. You nailed it
C’MON NZ FANS.
show the world that you are the no.1 supporters in the world by getting behind the players and the coaches.
They need your support now, more than when they are winning.
AB supporters are panicking too much. Nienabers defence didn't click straight away. It took a few games (losses) before everything clicked.
Your maul defence improved and your defence was in the 90%+. ABs aren't far off tbh.
Systems take time to implement.
It didn't work for the Boks until it did.
🇿🇦💪🏽🇿🇦
SA provincial teams now playing in Irish / Wales URC Cup series and having to fight their way into finals and then winning ( Stormers and Bulls) has strengthened SA and Irish rugby vs Super series down under. Hope this grows into full Six Nations participation.
The SA teams have been a good addition and will make a difference however not convinced they have been involved long enough to have had a significant impact. Leinster toughest games have still probably been against French sides.
Nope. The URC logistically and financially is good for SA provincial teams but at international level I think the Rugby challenge with our southern brothers and the autumn tours to Europe will be the best options to maintain the Boks standard.
@@dairet1945 Good point. However if the SA teams did not participate in Northern games they would just have played local games vs external exposure since Super Rugby series got fractured by NZ & Aus ( their lockdown panic I assume)
You can tell Justin Marshall is holding his tongue and doesn't want to pile on at the moment and want's to take away the positives.....I get that but....not much to be positive about after three and a row....All Blacks are not even not on the same page, but I don't even think they all have the same book....
Yup. He is holding back. It's not just fozzy that needs to go. The breakdown keeps showing where the changes are needed. But if they start singling out players it will get very messy.
@@sandorclegane3658 Nope, nothing wrong with the players, it's entirely down to a highly incompetent coach, worst I've ever seen and we all knew,it three years ago, we all spoke up about it then and some of us haven't bothered watching the games since then for that reason. Prior to the 2015 RWC so many people wanted Carter gone and were seriously questioning McCaw. What a joke that was, those guys were all class and match winners with it. Sure there will always be some player adjustments, but it's still all about the coach for a start. Any coach that can see a young super star try-scoring machine like Will Jordan look ordinary (not to mention many other players) is one seriously crap coach.
NZ dominating the rugby scene for as long as they did was boring. Seeing other countries play their version of the game and doing well is pleasant to watch. Even watching the Tri Nations and now the Rugby Championship became boring to watch even when Aus and SA won the tournaments. It's so much better watching different teams do well. NZ supporters must give their current team and set up a break. It's a reset that's all. They'll do well again and hit another slump. It's just the way things go. We need to have Northern Hemisphere teams to go into Semis and Finals and carry the RWC trophy now. I support all teams that play entertaining games.
Northern Hemisphere (and South African) rugby is not entertaining though, who would want to watch that. The current rules of the game are designed to encourage kicking and scrums and rolling mauls which is negative and not exciting to watch.
@@grantsimo where are you from
@@redpilled9595 why?
@@grantsimo you sound like Ian Foster.
JM is a good analyst. Measured and objective.
What I never see in any of these analysis, is any recognition that all the teams have invested massive amounts of time; effort and money into to their games. All the northern hemisphere teams that constantly gets snubbed by the AB's have poured massive efforts into raising their game, yet the feeling is still that the AB need to dominate regardless. Aren't other teams allowed to get better? Shouldn't the divide close for the betterment of the game?
Marshall still doesn't think Ireland are any good, and if that goes for the highest ranked northern team it goes for the rest too. All you hear is backhanded compliments like 'well-drilled'. It doesn't occur to him that they might have good players in the north.
Typical AB arrogance. Ireland and France are the best imho. I'm a Saffa and believe that the Boks will remain potent for years, but the North has definately stepped up a whole new level and it's awesome
Let this continue and it will become the norm people will adjust they are just so used to dominating anything else is a bad reflection on them as opposed to the opposition raising the bar
Great podcast - some reasoned voices in chaotic times. I like Marshal's idea that we need one or two starting-line fresh faces in both the forwards and backline to go the tonk for the first 20-30 minutes and get some go-forward. The definition of insanity is do the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.
hi , id like to say that one time i saw the abs break out in forward play was using our old as the hills southland tactic ; wee short passes or rip transfers in my opinion its the antidote tactic to their line defence or in essence multiple crashes at the line, in quick time. that would upset the whole of their game if successful as their backs have to cover ,if they dont as soon as they break through its a try
Maybe the issue is you need those new players rather than the old faces who are, lets face it, under performing.......
How good is Marty Devlin. God im glad he's on radio. Listening from England.
The AB’s have nothing to lose right now - which makes them very dangerous. Select a few youngsters in key positions, and drop a few oldies and they will astound every body this week.
The Springboks are not unassailable.
New Zealanders must get over the panic attack that they are having right now.
And while I understand NZ won’t like what’s happening at the moment, the current state of affairs in world rugby is good for the game overall and will ultimately lead to a better rugby product globally, including for the All Blacks. Sometimes you have to endure pain for a better overall product. NZ’s impact on the game should not only depend on them winning. Winning alone makes one lazy in thought, decision making, genuine excitement and ultimately results (in the boardroom too). For rugby to move itself to a new dimension, it is critical that it becomes more than about the All Blacks and the Springboks. Look at 7s for your answers or direction…..it’s a better global rugby product than 15s.
NZ rugby should not have let the SA teams out of Super Rugby... Remember the two top Irish teams were won by two SA teams...
Irrelevant, if NZ had a competent coach and were properly prepared they would have given SA a good beathing, hell, they only won by 26-10. This is possibly the worst ever All Blacks team and there's only one blindingly obvious reason for that and it's got nothing to do with Super Rugby.
Without SA in the SR comp, the teams in NZ will not face the physical rugby needed to harden your boys... Even NH teams starting to line up to beat NZ...
Not the worst nz team ever... Loaded with talent... Just gone soft upfront.
You can have the best backs in world rugby, but there worthless when you are on the back foot.
@@cspace1234nz sorry I have to disagree you lose forwards instinctively fall back to take up the ball like they did during SR backs have to help clean out SA forwards if they had played the Bulls/Lions/Sharks/Stm they would have known that would not work... anyway like Foster said; we are useless and he went to sleep" while we played the Lions series.
Brodie Retallick is an absolute beast at the break down. Unfortunately you can't rely on one player to secure ball. I just don't understand how there isn't a player who can step up and fill that role. The ABs really were missing him.
3 years ago he was good now he's spent and just a poor man's lood de eager and eben etzebeth.
@@getridofneocons Ridiculous comment. Retallick is a world class lock, same as Whitelock. I agree with Etzebeth but Lood De Jager is not better.
Nahhh..... he's done. Too old, old news. Always injured. Never fully fit for years.
It is very sad to hear NZ people saying this rubbish about this being a big improvement for NZ, 26 to 10 is not an improvement
Most kiwis are actually Angry that this statement from Ian Foster has been made. He is in fact the Absolute worst coach especially in the professional era. He's forgotten the All Blacks Victory at Eden Park on July 2nd and funny enough he and his coaching team weren't there as Joe Schmidt had to be called in. Possibility we might have lost at Eden park had Ian and co been there in that week to coach the team. We just can't seem to get rid of him fast enough, it's like he knows he is doomed and wants to drag everyone on the ship down with him like the Titanic. Yes and us All Blacks had foreseen all of this the very moment that NZR announced their successor to Steve Hanson in 2019. The Majority of Rugby Supporters voted Scott Robertson 87% to take over. Some current All Black players weren't happy with the NZR appointment of Ian Foster and didn't want to play under his leadership. Yes media clowns are coming to Foster's defence, but the people and Rugby public are quite angry with his statement after it was in fact the most appalling performance in the pro era
Except they're not, that was Foster saying that. You won't get an alternate view from former All Blacks who work for SkyTv, they're too 'matey' with the NZR. Most Kiwis think Foster has descended into delusional statements. SA fans would know that well from some of their own former coaches.
@@jacobh1867 yeah former Springbok coach Alistair Coetzee use to talk about the " Positives" after their continued Thrashings from our All Black's and losing to Italy in 2016. Now we have Ian Foster and his " Learnings"
One of my favourite Kiwi commentators. JM. Class act. Regards from SA.
I think NZ just need to find that extra bit of space and they are right back at it. You guys are so clinical you just need to get up to par with your physicality which is mostly mental anyway. This happened to Ireland for a few years after England manhandled us. You lose your confidence and it becomes a mental block that your not strong enough when in reality its just getting the small angles and timing right. You guys are like a caged animal, once you get your chance your still lethal as always, its just getting them chances back.
Hard not to be the best all the time. Try being an England fan!
Great interview with Justin. Very honest feedback like John and Mils at the Breakdown. Marshall has grown to be one of our Top rugby commentators at this time. Declined is fantastic asking the right questions
Great interview As a South 🇿🇦African supporter, the All Black's will be back WE ARE JUST THE 2 TEAMS THAT CANT STAY DOWN.ITS IN OUR RUGBY DNA!!!!!!!
Agree with Justin about the sliw starts that have become characteristic of AB teams in recent years. They have to deal with this coz they're often keft with too much to catch up. On the breakdown, the ABs should drop Cane, move Savea to 7, SB to 6 and bring in Sotutu at 8. Also think Havili not goid rnough st 12. Start Tupea.
The transitioning of the ball from the ruck and breakdown is predictable to the defence, therefore they are able to target that area. The All Blacks need to vary their attack in this area. The runners needs to be running onto the ball and before they get tackled they need to turn and present the ball to the next runner. We’re going too early on the ground as well. Too many players are running front on and get isolated and it’s too easy for them to get their hands on the ball. Little steps at,a time and protect the ball. Please don’t run the ball from the 22m line, this is basically rugby knowledge but needs to be reminded.
wee short passes then bust out
Spot on, lately we seem to be standing still then expected to make ground or a break. No running onto passes. It was a basic thing to learn when I was a youngster.
I watched the game 3 times so far. Not once did they go fwd to take the ball carrier out like really smack them, not talking about breaking the defensive line but meeting their attack with the same force instead of just stopping them eventually. I'd like to see more mana or on the limit stuff, go out there and scrap for our legacy, actually fight for the right to call upon that legacy that other teams no longer fear.
As ABs coach - you never say it was our 'best performance' straight after a loss. Their best performance was Ireland #1 by a long shot.
A game for which, ironically, Foster wasn't the coach.
It's like you're not even listening
Yes but that was against poor quality opposition, according to Marshall. You know, the poor quality opposition ranking 1 in the world and who just spanked you at home in a series 😆
Foster needs to go but the real elephant in the room is Sam Cane as captain.
don't insult elephants
why?
Justin's description about Ellis Park both scary and hilarious at the same time!😆
I listened to the interview with Justine as a South African and I agree with him that there's a bit of a lack of self believe in this team of ABs currently, but it by no means make it impossible for them to beat the Boks for sure. I honestly feel for NZ supporters and the ABs teams, it's not a nice place to be in when u struggle with form and you lose 2,3 or more games in a row, it's sucks big time. Yes it's obviously nice to beat the ABs as a South African, but I would prefer beating a strong AB team compared to a not so strong one, cause we always throughout decades of rugby history between our 2 countries have measured ourselves vs the ABs to see how good or bad we are at any given time when we play the. So now that the ABs r struggling, I'm making the argument how good is the Boks really atm even if we beat the. Are we really that good or is the ABs really that bad and tbh I frankly don't know. Hence we Bok supporters want the ABs back to full strenght hopefully soon. We prefer u when u good as fck måte lol, vs when u struggle. And many South Africans r rooting for the ABs believe it or not seriously, cause we need a strong AB team in world rugby, rugby is poorer when the ABs struggle, it's just a freaking fact guys. So good luck for Saturday, may the better team win on the day, much respect!!!!!!!!!.
How misplaced is your loyalty? Have you suddenly forgotten the years of humiliation the bokke have had to endure & you compare that to a few bad results from arrogant ABs? You definitely not breathing our rugby buddy... 🤡
Other teams got stronger, stop living in a bubble like you a damn ABs bot
Too many Barratts................???
2 to many at least.
Scott Barrett isn't up to it
Good analysis Justin
Well said Justin, love your positive comments.
As a Bok supporter I have massive respect for Justin Marshall. He says it like it is and has huge knowledge. Very fair in his assessments. He was also a damn fine scrummie!
I felt as though Boks didn’t get past 2nd/3rd gear and score line flattered AB’s. AB’s are really struggling up front, their backs can’t do anything without front foot ball. Foster needs to make some tough selections imo, what’s he got to lose as it might be his last game. I expect the boks to throw more variations at ABs too this weekend.
That's because they don't have extra gears, they're like a diesel engine to Ireland's tuned petrol variant.
@@speak_your_truth.each to their own I guess. Springboks play towards a 10 man rugby as it’s their strength. Ireland played quick phase rugby knowing that AB’s are reactive in defense and exploited AB’s lack of ferocity at the breakdown. Simply put, AB’s don’t have the pack to set foundations for attack.even for Springboks 10 man rugby that was 3rd gear physicality. Watch carefully for variations this weekend, Erasmus era is full of surprises. Once that diesel is warm, it can have a good go.
@@lsm4j I hope to see more from it and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
Problem with the AB's now is that finally the arrogance with which they used to play has been thumped out of them by a number of teams. The rest were all improving whilst the AB's were stagnant at the top like King's sitting on their Thrones. Then along comes a thump and another then another and all of a sudden the King has lost his crown-never too be worn again. The Boks and the top other 5 nations at present will continue to improve and the AB's will remain wannabes for at least 3 more world cups.
Love listening to Justin. A different view to what he sees on the park.
I don't think the SA team was gassed at any time during the match, I laughed out loud at that comment! They were as dominant during the last 15 min as they were during the first 15 min of the game. Next weekend will be tougher at altitude. NZ will have a mountain to climb in the last 25 min of the match.
Why does Martin insist on putting words in Mashy’s mouth? Every question was loaded with special pleading.
Defending Foster. Holy goodness, there is no hope. “Our best game yet” is not taken out of context, he should never have said that. He should be honest, and real. But he’s not, if he was he should have resigned by now.
As a Bok fan who's read the book Legacy on the All Black culture, I'm not seeing that culture in the All Blacks on the field.
We have players who have lost to Japan and Italy and yet by getting the team culture and coaching right we became world cup Champions in 18 months.
Foster and Cane can wax liracle about effort and belief, but it doesn't seem to be there.
I feel for the All Blacks, we've been there. It's horrible. I'd rather beat a great all black team by 3 points than a poor one by 16. Bad All Black and bad Springbok team is negative for all of rugby.
Good luck for Saturday all Blacks
Great comments. For a change I agree with Justin.
Craig Robertson waiting for the call from NZRU. His assistants in place. Let's hope the NZRU will make the right call.
Who is Craig Robertson...?
As a South African, it was weird seeing the Kiwis not catching so many balls. It sure looks like a confidence thing more than anything.
I was waiting to hear Justin Marshall's view since the match ended. He's got a very balanced view.
As a Springbok supporter I love to see you lose but I hate to see you suffer.
The All Blacks are the Yin to our Yang, the rest is just details.
Now I want to put something out there and I would like to hear from Kiwis themselves.
Has the authoritarian overreach during the pandemic in NZ and OZ had such a psychological impact that a lot of the former unity and identity of a nation now divided by people who comply and people who resist had such a far reaching impact that it has impacted on your performance in sport?
I have my suspicions but not being there on the ground I'm only speculating and could be way off with this assumption.
All I know is that rugby is a bigger part of the national identity in NZ than anywhere else so my question is has anything changed in regards to that.
Best of luck for the next game, I suspect the All Blacks will come back better than this last match.
I feel that New Zealands biggest mistake was to take South Africa out of their Rugby competition. They playing against teams that play the same type of rugby.
Spot on. When you are also playing against weaker Island sides you start convincing yourself about how good you are!
In contrast SA teams now competing in Northern Hemisphere competitions is sharpening both north and south up. NZ messed up with that. I think SA will be invited back into the fold soon!
As a Springbok supporter, I am loving trawling through NZ podcasts and articles listening to everyone scratching for answers. NZ not going to learn anything in one week. They knew what was coming and could not compete. At altitude next week I predict a SA win by 30.
I'm living my best life...
I would never say this but as an AB fan a win to us would be nice but a win to you means we get a new coach sooner rather than later, get rid of Foster, rip the band aid off now.
I have respect for All Black's if they get it right they could win. No way you can say 30points.The Boks don't play rugby that would alow them to win by 30.We are to conservative
OK, as you are such an expert....give us a score-line...? I will go SA by 12
@@brianmcsweeney9401 Boks by 21
I have massive respect for Justin Marshall - he is articulate and knows rugby better than most from a technical point of view. He has served Nz rugby well. BUT, I feel we, the NZ public, are all being shovelled bollocks. If we are all going to tip toe around and be friends with everyone then nothing will change. Someone stand up and make the hard decisions and pull this AB team out of its pity party and tell them to man up. It’s time to get in there. Enough with the sympathy - fozzy has taken us down a path that is killing the brand. When you have 3 brothers in an AB team, and no other people in NZ can fill those positions except these 3 brothers, then all this says to me is that the NZRU is full of NEPOTISM. Get the best of the best, get the best talent and coaching team
And take back our position in World Rugby. Someone please show some leadership and stop this nonsense and make the hard decisions before people stop buying tickets to rugby games.
I wasn't overly impressed with either team to be honest, cheers from Dublin.
Exactly, SA wasn't exceptional as some say, but the ABs really were extremely poor.
Irish fans think they are world champions right now. It's like they get a win over the ABs then they pretend there is no such thing as the world cup, where they are yet to get past the quarters.
You were not really that interested in watching. "To be honest" ... is there any other phrase you Brits can come up with? Cause you really are not all that honest, you can often be quite delusional.
@@len2son Ireland just gave us a spanking bro and have had the victories over us in the last couple of years. They’re certainly a better team than NZ atm.
Irish fans this got nothing to do with you .you not the world champions .Sa and nz being winning the world cup for the last 20 years .Bulls beat you in your own yard .you a salty troll
Aaron Smith has been getting worse every game. It's such a key role in the game and I think his time is done like a lot of our aged players. It's to late to build for the world cup now.
Give the Ginger Ninja a go I say.
I agree I am from SA and the highlanders always go up a level when fakatawa comes on, he is physical and dangerous on attack. Not sure I got the spelling right of the replacement player.
No one was saying that after the 1st test of the season. But I do agree, we need to change the team. The wider squad needs a run out. The 'A' side is not trending upwards so time to have blokes RTS out there.
Smith has passed his use by date!!😠☹
@@jpowell2603 nope
Problem is Kiwis don't expect their team to win and the team knows it. Foster is a decent guy but is he the leader to inspire to overcome this lack of confidence? It will take a lot more than one win to get that back. But no denying a win this weekend will give everybody a change of heart. A loss?
If abs lose this weekend and foster still has a job then I’ll give up watching all blacks in future
How long is the use-it or lose it rule ? 10 seconds , 10 minutes or more?
A weaker NZ is a positive for rugby, the South Africans, Irish and French are beautiful at the top of the ladder as the rugby they play is a breath of fresh air
Enjoy it while you can,All Blacks will be back again forsure!!!
New Zealand is in danger here of doing what we did wrong in the Rudolf Straeuli era. That ushered in a downward spiral that lasted many years. If they start sacking coaches as we did sooner rather than later the situation will get worse. It took Jake White to steady the boat and even after White we still suffered, but by that time we were kind of getting use to it.
Long way to go for NZ. They should start with the U20s, get them winning and grow them.
Yip, it starts with the U20s, obviously before, but it's a good breeding ground
Justin Marshall’s problem is that he compulsively says what he akshually thinks. Which is why he is the rare talking head akshually worth listening to.
Cut a bit early lads. Cane well off the pace. Ardie is a 7. Bring a proper No.8 in. Drop Angus & Lomax from the squad, Jordan to full back.
De Groot Taukeiahau Newell. That front row playing together come WC time. No one will be laughing at black then.....kick Cane off the squad...but the real problem is the backline,too flat no communication,,but with proper coaching can come right very quickly...if these things are done the ABs are a great bet for the cup
Justin Marshall is my favorite pundit. From a Saffa.
Beating the AB's like this is like kissing your sister, they are not firing on all pistons and are just not in there. No heart, no balls, no skills, no confidence!
NZ for many years got away under Henry and Hansen combining quality rugby with cheating rugby. They realized this was possible due to pathetic refereeing. Examples year 2017 Albany NZ v SA Nigel Owens allowed NZ to enter rucks from the side 48 times. At Wellington 2018 when SA won Owens allowed NZ to enter rucks from the side 43 times. Now you still have to add, diving in, not support own wait, sealing off, entering behind line-out jumpers back, running past rucks taking out incoming opponents. This is not allowed Foster and present NZ team. So NZ has lost a tremendous lot of scandulous fire power !!! To be back in line NZ will just have to improve on what is legal in the game. Also W.Cup 2019 NZ made 41 penalizeable mistakes versus SA and Jerome Garces only penalized them 4 times. Foster has not got this luxery !!!
Rassie was crucified for exposing that rugby has become the most corrupt sport on the planet. It just became to much. SA will also not forget that NZ-landers decided what Rassies punishment should be for exposing the most scandulous corruption !!!
spot on - years of prejudice against the 'racist' South Africans also coming to an end.
@@SpencerCourtis Thanks for supporting ! Did you notice that Angus Gardinar ref called a forward pass on H. Pollard of approx. 250cm, while in Pretoria in 2018 he allowed a forward pass of approx. 5.5metres between Codie Taylor and Aaron Smith which in the end won the match for NZ. Cheeting no consistency. If Ussain Bolt ran at 9.54 sec. for 100 m the ball could not drift 5.5m forward, and Cody is not that fast. Is there anybody who could do the calculation for us ?
Thats my point bro,and all ignoring it😃😀
Well said, NZ gonna have to play by the same rules now... Even more uphill for them.
If they watch how Australia beat South Africa last year
Australia was excellent in those two games, they could have beat any team in world rugby playing like that.
Being nice isn’t the answer we all know foster isn’t up to the job. We all know Robertson and Renee are better. Mark Robertson should go also. We don’t need the fractures he creates. They all get paid above their value so that why they don’t want to go. Where is performance these days!
I ust think that The Springboks have too much quality from no. 1 to no. 23 ... 42 Its the best squad with the best players best coaches in South African History. As a Springbok suppoter we much enjoy it while it last...... 6 years ago we were no where..... We salute the players and coaches. This is a wonderful bunch of warriors. Lukanya Am must be candidate for IRB player of the year this season.
They say Fossie is a nice guy. But is this what the AB'S need ? A good or better coach will do
The coaches main role is to galvanise the team…Fozzy has failed miserably at that!
Agreed. What's he done since he took over coaching....zilch!
Now we have to tell him how to coach!
I think they should call up Scott Robinson if the losses keep stacking up but i've had enough of the losses already.
You'll never get a 'but what do you *really* think' answer from any former All Black who works for Sky. They and the NZR are joined at the hip. Marshall is probably the most honest of them, but even then he has to carefully choose his words to not upset Sky, the NZR, and the coach he just went out for a beer with. Still, he's better than Fosters PR man Jeff Wilson.
I think the Trans Tasman Super Rugby competition, with only weak Aussie sides to test your self against has not helped. I think we are seeing the Aussie teams drag their Kiwi cousins down.
We have lost all National pride in NZ... The all blacks were our last hope
From a outsider the 2 captains that don't seem to have the teams respect and leadership was Taine Randell and Sam Cane ...time now for a change
The Boks LOST Faf & Arendse, played with 14 AND scored a late try! The ABs were simply OUT FOR THE COUNT AFTER THE FRST MINUTE OF THE GAME. 10-3; 19-3; 26-10. THATS THE REALITY.
I think it is good what is happening to the ABs, excellent ploy by them now the International press and supporters of other teams have lost the target of their rabid vitriol, they have no option other than to pick one or more of their cartel to target. Lets see how Ireland or any other carry the weight of RWC favorites to the line.
Good point.
Ah yes, it's all a cunning plan!!!! 🤣
The boks made plenty of mistakes in the game, the scary thing is for the Bokke there is room for at least a 20 percent improvement. If we have our malls, scrums and backline firing, with all that possession the result could be scary.
Agree , was thinking the same. they will surely improve this weekend and up the level. AB's going to hurt more this weekend. Imagine is vermeluan , franse and snyman , kolbe was there lol and inform.
Agreed. But that is a massive 'if', and I think it will come back to bite the Boks when it matters most. Your 12 is not very good. His passing is poor and he lacks the instinct that some of your other backline stars have. If you had a good 12, and if Pollard was the player he used to be at taking the ball to the line, I think you would be number one right now. That 26-10 scoreline would have been more like 46-10. Folks are bagging that All Black backline, but they've been playing behind the gainline nearly every test. Forwards win tests, the backs decide by how much. This Bok forward pack with this All Black backline would put everyone to the sword. There would be no misfiring backline anymore with the gainline won. I'm expecting a worse beating at Ellis Park. It could get ugly, but things will get better should that ugly pill eventuate.
Richie should start he’s way better then beadun Barrett
Best 1st five in the world rotting on the bench! Beauden should have been dropped years ago!
Yeah bb has had heaps of starts give Richie ago man!!!
The two Barret bros are hurt, anyway. Play Mounga at 10, Jordan at the back. Lester at 13. Reece/Ioane back on the wing. Sotutu at 8, Ardie at 7, Frizell at 6. An armchair selector's pick.
I really like the sound of that aye, has Perofeta got the goods to back RM up yet?
Can I ask?
When s.a broke free I. A maul and I think there were 3 or 4 people joined together with the ball in the back, s.a were going forward and no n.z player was attached,
Can you do that?
I didn't think you used the able?
Or why would they have to join in from the front?
They talk about accuracy confidence organisation. All = coach and culture
Is this a podcast ?
Lots of good points. But the main point is that Fozzie isn't getting the best out of the team. "We" are not saying he hasn't given 100%. Thanks for the effort. But it's obviously not working. What we need is a new culture in the team. A culture where it's OK to be different. A culture where people are more relaxed yet more focused. Not so stiff. A Razor culture..... That's what the people want.
For all the Squats, Cleans and deadlifts the All Blacks are doing in the gym those strength gains aren’t transferring onto the pitch
Have you guys ever considered that maybe just maybe the rest of the world have just caught up and that it has nothing to do with the players.
The ABs have been playing the same style of rugby for decades yet in the last few years the boks and others have added to their style of play. And it's time that everyone stops trying to change how the boks play but change how they play.
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Whaat? Boks have simply gone back to their standard kick and chase game, it’s always been their style. Big forwards, lineout kicks to gain ground, kicks to gain ground. Same ol same old. No way they have changed their style of play. Both countries have their style which suits them, we just haven’t executed ours well at all lately.
I shud hav said added to their style of play like the rush defense that has not always been part of the bok DNA
@@itsyourboyyy maybe the ABs shud try it then they won't be such massive LOOSERS...
All Blacks need to employ Northern Hemisphere Scrummaging Coach and Rugby League Backline Coach for defence in order to compete against the Northern Hemisphere teams...NZ need to get the brains work of the Northern Hemisphere through coaches from there in the coaching panel just like the English Hockey did to beat NZ in Commonwealth Games...Rugby League coaches help in quick recovery and in the face defence movement and pattern...Just my thoughts as your Pasifika mate from Fiji...Go All Blacks...
honestly everyone is putting way to much pressure on the all blacks . for the first time in a very long time they are going through a slight rebuild. all our countries do , but it usually takes most of us slightly longer . suck it up and support your team . go bokke go !!!
Like Justin said we need to run straight towards teams to break the rush defense and avoid going side to side. We can break the rush defense with a counter rush offense.
As Fans we are not attacking Foster and Cane as Men...they are great men...they really are. But time for a change. Remember that the Springboks did not even kick a ball in 2020. Foster has had the team regardless of challenges since 2020.
I don't know many teams who could have lived with SA last weekend. That said your defense has improved. The breakdown is your big problem combined with a dip in talent. Teams don't fear the AB like they used to and that was like points on the board in the past👍
The problem is the ABs have been at the pinnacle of rugby for a generation with pretty much one coach. It’s a just a readjustment period. They’ll be back 100%.
Henry was the beginning of the problem. AB's were very ordinary the last few years of his tenure.