Which is ony a part of what makes this guy so sleazy. He purposely has the man miss his stop, then pretends to be helpful, saying, "Oh, this is your stop! You'd better hurry!" as if he didn't know that _before_ getting him to miss it?? Imagine showing up at your friend's place nearly an hour late with the excuse, "Some random guy on the train hypnotised me into missing my stop." He has zero concern for how he affects another person's day or life. Which brings me to the worst example of all - manipulating someone into a fake spiritual experience. All the other parlour tricks we've seen in this video disgust me, but that is so far into the realm of cruel and unnecessary that I can't even look at him any more.
I really can't feel anything for him. Just put yourself in this scene, you would either get mad at this idiot with a camera for making you miss your stop or be so shocked and amazed by what just happened and burst in laugh and be asking him ''what? how? what did you do to me?", but this guy's reaction just seemed unnatural, like I believed it was genuine up until this point where it screamed ACTING
@@AlextheENTP ye its not kind use of Ni/Fe. if anything, it's this pseudo show off narcissistic "i can do and control anyone, and i will, to their detriment" type. he wants to play god, but it will catch up w him when he realizes the backfiring even all of the mental planning can't stop
When I was a young, undersized INFP, I had many bullies and was terrified of conflict, so I learned to find the mental and spiritual weaknesses and attack them publicly, repeatedly, until they would eventually beg me to stop. Over the years I honed that ability and others as coping skills, to protect myself and other underdogs from the masses of asses. Several of my friends over the years have remarked that the worst ass whippings they ever saw me deliver, I applied with words. Over the years I had a few of the recipients come up to me sheepishly and thank me for the harsh words, because they weren't able to forget them and were forced to face the things about them I had shown them. As good as it feels to know I made a positive impact on those folks, I can't help but fear that I may be responsible for someone taking their own life because I wanted to flex my ego. I have survived two nearly fatal attempts on my own life and have ridden a bicycle, pulling a pitbull in a trailer, over twenty thousand miles raising awareness for suicide prevention. Everything for better or worse is exactly as it should be until it changes for better or worse when it becomes exactly as it should be! Be blessed y'all 🙏
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo Yeah, but if you refuse to feel for a second you can regain clarity. Basically train your feeling all the time, but focus on thinking when you communicate with him and you could do okay.
@@perryabruz6846 yeah that's the wole point of being an IxxP , it's like saying the IxxJ always feel under attack , the ExxP always feels controlled and the ExxJ always feels like the scum of the earth
INFJ here. this guy is vile and falls into the classic INFJ trap: I can move everyone else but not myself. Is there anyone worse than the mentalist who thinks everyone else is reducible to psychology but can't see how revolting that attitude would be applied to themselves?
I might have NF play as a savior/demon and I am only now started to see the hypocrisy. It's just starts with trying to use "I" statements and avoiding projecting onto other people. This Infj's charisma just happens to be so powerful that his projection can engulf an average person. I can do the same thing with small shy children. It's not rocket science. You just need to create a sense of value in a person and then that person is then willing to do what you want.The tricky part is to track what they are observing of you in that exact moment because if you are too slow to catch the perspective or too focus on yourself then they'll become withdrawn or suspicious. Also it helps if you really can't understand what they are saying. That's how I was able to avoid getting sucked into cults and pyramid schemes. ^_^;
Nah. It's not that complicated. Guy with a camera. People crave attention/aknowledgement. He's merely using that to overwhelm their somatic nervous system with stimulation (chaos-"wait. what's going on here!?"--squeezes bag) & providing the solution ("guidance"). He uses key phrases & anchors.. Like: "trains of thought," when they're on a train.. While gently touching his carefully selected prey. It's just basic predatorial nlp douchebaggery. Nothing new to see here, folks. I Respect that Dave & Shan have armed their viewers with tools to recognise these people actually exist. Stay Strong. Stay Vigilant.
what he did reminds me of classical conditioning: conditioned stimulus - talking about/imagining ideal father conditioned response: emotions/feelings she experienced unconditioned stimulus paired with conditioned stimulus: tapping with thoughts of father so now the tapping becomes a conditioned stimulus leading to a conditioned response (feelings, emotions that the participant previously got from thinking of ideal father)
As an ENTP who learned non-mainstream psychology and persuasion techniques (credits to Akira Anzai). The person in the video you're critiquing is a master indoctrinator. Using techniques such as: Generating Intrigue, Building Rapport, Eliciting values/emotions, then Indoctrinate. Not to mention anchors, body language, future projection, then devalidation technique. Fascinating! I don't know if his intentions are morally right, but he is doing a great "effective" job at convincing people i.e converting someone to switch religion.
When i suspect that there are xNXJ's close,i stay away as posible and do not converse with them.Xnfj's can influence my emotions but they are separate from my actions so they will suck a dick
Everyone has gifts. It's all about the intent and how you use it that makes it either good or evil. To quote Spiderman: "With great power comes great responsibility."
I saw him perform at a show in london maybe 15 years ago at the end he spoke about how he was bullied and how in spite of that he made it into the person he was back then. I couldn't help but feel he was overcompensating for terrible Insecurity, as though taking back control of his life meant finding ways of controlling and impressing others.
its not about beeing this mystical master manipulater (the example of this guy oversaturates the actual mechanics behind it to an extreme extent) it is about using your sense of humanity/emotions etc etc to IMPACT, change and mold your environment. Simply expressing your emotions through gesture, body language, speech and tone can be enough to bring your intuitive pattern across. As long as the goal is attached to "teaching the tribe your Ni" it is N blast. F or T is simply the way it will come across. For example. Si Te blast is way more detached (although can come across as furious/intense or emotional). It is not about values, emotions, what you or society shall value. It is simply enforcing structure, work and order into the world (which can be social indeed). An example of INTENSE social Si Te blast would be: "You guys really need to get a grip ! You cant simply run around and insulting each other all day. You either talk it out, do some introspection or you have to seperate. This is simply not working and i think you should work on your emotional processing and relationship to make things "work". Wheras NF blast would be generally more focused on the actual value world: "The fact that you guys are still in such a disarray is horrible. Can you not see how much pain you are resulting in each other ? This turmoil is simply bad for you and you should stop and work on your emotional processing so we can have a nice athmosphere." NF blast is of course way more concerned with the endgoal of vibe whereas Te is (even if social) still more concerned with functionality refering more detached to the going ons.
Intuitives forget that our bottom line attitude is also a good bullshit detector...IF you're more of an intuitive and aware of it. And sensates, was he being concrete (literally on earth) about anything? No! I've learned a lot from your videos. Thank you.
Honestly? I've learned better than to trust someone on a tv show. How can we know that wasn't all preplanned? And the people weren't actors? They certainly don't look convincing. I do understand what this guy was supposed to illustrate, I just don't believe him. As an INTJ, I do a similar thing, but that's called survival. I would be the one showing teachers HOW MUCH I loved their subject and how interested I was in it, just so when the time comes they couldn't judge my answers( in exams) objectively and they would always tip in the direction of a better grade,just because they liked me.
@@AhmadOsamaMusleh yeah, my feelings have been manipulated multiple times in my life, and that's why I don't trust him and that show. Cause people lie and manipulate, if he shows us he can manipulate the feelings how can we say for sure he ain't manipulating the footage? We can't. So, dude doesn't impress me
@@einsame_Maria I think not all of it is fake, yet maybe some. I had an INFJ friend who used to tell me about these energy stuff. She told me she sometimes sees "aura" around people depending on their emotional state. She told me also about moving the energy by hands and… weird stuff. I'm here astonished because of the similarity between them two. Well maybe not everything shown here (or told to me there) is accurate, but I believe there is something. At least they see the emotional patterns of the tribe and so they can deal with them somehow… It's intimidating that they see something inside people they themselves don't see.
After some more reflecting on this over time, I've realized that not only is this not nearly as scary as it might seem at first, but that I also do it. If you've watched the video of Derren flipping heads on a coin ten times in a row, the exact same principle applies here. That kind of thing is really possible and did probably really happen, but a lot of things have to come together in order for it to happen that the magician doesn't show you - either lots of failed random attempts for the coin, or selecting a certain type of person at a vulnerable moment for this kind of manipulation. NF blast is really just an extreme form of the small stuff that you might do in conversation to appeal to people more, whether that's body language, emoting, linguistically framing something in a certain way, choosing what time to talk to someone about something, and the like. It can look completely crazy in some cases like in the video, but it's also minor stuff you might do reflexively and not even think about.
I am once again made acutely aware of how little influence I have on others and how I must work to bolster that. Derren Brown is a goddamn genius, and I consider his capacity to influence the decisions of others a challenge to meet and perhaps compete with... if on another level. There's always a solution; even least worst is better than worst.
But yeah... They should do a video explaining about NFs in general and our abilities/talents/potential. They already did ST, NT and SF. Let's just hope they don't shit too much on the information with their Energy-Dom
Its not always a concious awareness that an nfj has of using these techniques. : ) I can relate, however, i have never tapped and dont frame it in that literal way, this is what im doing... I just use a certain tone or look and then use the same look or tone or both to tie the thoughts and emotions i placed into a person into a feeling in the person. : ) This slightly changes the perception of a person and with practice and awareness i can realy get through to people well. In person of coarse.
I feel you! I can only encourage people to actions when I feel that they want it, but are afraid, in denial, or lack knowledge. Those IxFJ techniques are very short term though. And i don't would work on a Fi who is in check with their feelings - I quickly see when someone tries to manipulate me with emotion. But we might easily fall for Te manipulation when we aren't sure we are right.
I did remember I played a joke on someone. It went like, "Y. E. S. spells yes. What does E. Y. E. S. spell?" And then the person literally stood there for 10 minutes completely stupified in a daze. He had the same look as those people trying to remember their stop. I felt really bad because I did not want him to feel stupid...it was embarassing to watch...
@masakasama I give people I am close to advice too. Usually it is to help them pursue their dreams or get them to quit something that is negatively affecting their life. And I know I can be passive aggressive. I don't know why it is so hard to just say something. It is like something is stopping me because I just want to observe and see what will happen. Also I don't feel comfortable telling someone what to do. I believe in the more Buddhist way. Change yourself or your own circumstances instead of changing others. I also had a psychic say my throat chakra was closed, which affects my ability to communicate. I think though I just have Blast last.
but he studied there techniques to be able to affect people like that, and we're honestly not sure if it's actually true since it's a tv show. Even if it was true, they invite people that would be easily influenced by these things. Idk it sounds too dramatic to say that real life normal nfjs do the same thing.
Well clearly i’m not an nfj because all of that looked a bit much to me. like i know emotional suggestion is a thing, but i’m kinda also thinking ‘this is a bit extreme’. and im just wondering if there were any people resistant (ie for the second one) which were cut out to frame the narrative that this always works. because whilst there are things that bind us all together, there are a lot of factors that affect this. the most obvious being that a blind person wouldn’t be effected by his techniques. but then there’s also factors including whether the other person was in a trusting mood (someone who’s uber paranoid would probably not be as effected) and whether they catch your cues. But then again i do know that emotional manipulation is a thing and i probably use it, just not that much. it’s really fricken hard for me to feel sympathy/empathy for anyone else’s shiz, with myself sometimes even feeling pissed off instead. I can tell, however, exactly how to act in order to show that it’s not the case and that i totally am relating. same again with conversations i’ve deemed unnecessary. many times i’ve listened for the cues in someone else’s voice and have made those acknowledgement noises (like ‘mmm’, ‘wow’ etc) which are appropriate based off of the tone of voice (do they want me to be amazed? agreeing? empathising?) and then i piece together quickly a picture of what they said through fragments i caught in order to make a little comment to further the idea that i was listening. So i’m of two minds. yes, manipulation of emotion is very possible, im just sceptical of the reliability and the scale? idk, im tryna make sense of it lol.
I can't think of too many who are in Derrens industry, but looking at INFJS in other fields of interest. Perhaps look at how Marilyn Manson was with Music, Hitler was with Politics and swaying millions, Carl Yung was with his thinking and psychology, Plato with his Ethics and Philosophy, Remus Lupin as a fictional Character, or even Galadriel. These all display or present very abstract ideas, which many will bring forth as good, but some INFJs understand the weakness and exploitation of others minds, and used them as nesting grounds. Ni/Fe Can unhinge many of us INFJs because of the solidarity and isolation it brings, but for the most part, if it ever gets harnessed or settled, I believe it can be used for immense good. If indeed Jesus Christ was an INFJ, reasons being his ability to constantly speak in abstraction/parables/symbolism, his unwavering need to be isolated from crowds to find reflection and time with the Father, the way he interacted with his disciples in a very intimate way, yet his conviction for the truth, which seemed to override everything so as to present it to the masses/crowds. He demonstrated a certain level of servitude to humanity, which I would be hard pressed not to see as a very Ni/Fe emulation of how we serve others. A potentially fitting quote from this video could be: “As a child I felt myself to be alone, and I am still, because I know things and must hint at things which others apparently know nothing of, and for the most part do not want to know. Loneliness does not come from having no people about one, but from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to oneself, or from holding certain views which others find inadmissible.” -Carl Yung
INFJ - I was like eww this guy is violating people >.< Go to have a conversation with my son about how its time to sleep. He starts crying a lot. I ask him why he is upset, lay my hand on his chest, tell him sleeping is nice and comfortable, and you get nice feelings, touch his ear. Smack my hands together a couple times at the right words, saying how tomorrow is a great day. Tap his chest, lay him on his pillow and he is laughing. Think to myself, "Do I always manipulate his emotions? I didn't even notice how much I use my hands and psychological tricks, never paid attention to it, lol" Like they say, it's just normal to us, we might not even have noticed we do it at all. Whatever man, I am NF Sleep, this guy is Blast. I don't like how he does it, I do it with elegance and flare. Subtly. Confusing people, spooking people, being in their face about it, giving them emotional outbursts. Nawh man. I don't like it. I don't want to make anyone feel stupid or be too intrusive. I want them to feel good and comfortable.
the way NFs speak ab this can be god complex-y/the opposite of humble. with humility and reluctance to admit, all of this can not only be concealed better, but it can also help but NFs in their place ab these things lmao. ur not acknowledging smth deeper than this, what he is doing is quite evil and smth anyone should be able to do. but he is taking it far in a strange direction of hurt in the name of social science. what you did w ur son is what most mothers do, i'd say, btw
I need some help guys, I *believe* I am an ENFJ with savior SE demon NI play first, blast second. (open to adjustments because I’m afraid after all my work I typed myself upside down) If you ask any of my friends they will tell you I am a huge nerd and love to learn random stuff that I’m very passionate about for some reason. I feel my consume is behind my blast however, because, the only thing I love more than learning is teaching, oh boy... I’ll teach for days. The thing I’m mainly worried about is my TI. I feel for an ENFJ I have a strangely strong TI. I don’t have any problem explaining why I believe things, ask me a question about what I believe and I will explain away. What I do is question MYSELF often when I am alone and have time to think. Is this normal? let me know what you guys think and if I need to adjust my type. P.S - I do a lot of normal ENFJ things like reading body language, not really having an issue with public speaking and being empathetic to people’s emotions. I almost didn’t see it at first because it comes so easy to me. (Edit) after watching this video, I wish I was on darren brown’s level, but I do understand what he’s doing and how he does it. I’m looking forward to maybe trying some of these tricks on some unsuspecting friends >:-P
@@ourtube1128 yes it's normal. no u don't need to adjust your type/u can't type yourself - objectivepersonality.com. dead dogs don't try this on people if u don't know what you're doing fam
it's not rly smth to be proud of, to be doing what he does to unsuspecting ppl to their detriment. he definitely cut off the fails, of ppl equally matched to him
INTJ here and I don't think that guy's trick would have worked on me. I think I would have picked up on his smoke and mirrors. To me, the whole time he sounded way too cagey. She seemed incredibly gullible. I probably would have played along with him on the surface, just out of curiosity to see where he was going with it but in my mind I'd be rolling my eyes. That's not to say NFJs don't do this. My Mom was an INFJ and I'm quite sure she probably manipulated me as a kid, for good reasons. We had a close bond. And I have an attractive ENFJ female friend at work who I find attractive (I'm an out lesbian) and she knows it and I DO think she milks it. She flirts just enough to keep me wondering. I know what she's doing and I play along, again, because I'm curious to see how far she'll take it. But I don't fall for it.
How does an Ne/Fe FM of the same caliber (well developed) would compare?! 🤔 I'm interested to see the role of Ne vs. Ni in there. Also, would he be able to convert an atheist ENTP into Christianity as well?! 🤔
As an INFP, I can see that this might be possible. It's a bit of a long shot and has to be practised really well though. While I would say it is unethical to do this, I am guilty of having done similar things in much subtler ways. Though the intention was generally for the good of the people concerned, but that itself is subjective. Gentle changes in tone of voice, a higher physical ground of standing can be used to intimidate a person, so long as they seem to be incidental. Like, saying something to someone when you cross them on the stairs and pretending to remember it only after you are at the higher step. The most frequently used one would have to be the vulnerability trick. When you play the card of exposing your vulnerabilities, people will almost always lower their guards, and might leak some personal story of a similar nature. Yet again, be as ethical as possible.
Wait, so did he just admit that what he did has nothing to do with religion or evidence behind it, but just with causing someone to have positive associations with religion to make them trust it without evidence?
yup. and this isnt always the case with religion. for ex, if an intuitive themselves had a connection to religion, i'd imagine it would have more to do w the ideology
He creeps me out beyond belief. The controlling, manipulating and playing around with peoples thoughts and feelings like some puppet master, like why would you want to do that to people. He made a guy late and miss his stop because he decided his little game was more important. It's probably not, and i'm probably missing a different reason/perspective here but to me it almost seems a little bit sociopathic/dark empath/loki trickster type/Machiavellian 🤷🏻♀️ Interesting that he seems to be so triggering to me.
This is total bullshit. Our teacher had given us homework and during the next class (nobody had done their homework), he comes into class and the first thing he does is asks us for it. So one of my classmates went up to him and asked him if he had a good memory and then swung his hand in the air and said something like "Poof, you forgot" And the professor actually remembered everything and asked that guy to show his homework first
He personally turns me off. There is this TH-cam ad which is similar... I click off SOOOO fast! The gesticulation is excessively disgusting to me, the type of speech is aggravating. If you gotta talk with that energy I wont voluntarily hold up a conversation with you. yuck!
The part where he basically overwhelms them with information (sensory, etc) and they end up forgetting or mixing things up is very plausible at least. The rest, it depends.
“Use your Powers for the good, Luke!”
Ted Heaberlin that is the plan :)
Also. The art of finding the target. The woman is obviously hurting somewhere.
Yes!!
Lol aren’t we all
poor guy missed his stop. that hurt me.
Me too
Which is ony a part of what makes this guy so sleazy. He purposely has the man miss his stop, then pretends to be helpful, saying, "Oh, this is your stop! You'd better hurry!" as if he didn't know that _before_ getting him to miss it??
Imagine showing up at your friend's place nearly an hour late with the excuse, "Some random guy on the train hypnotised me into missing my stop."
He has zero concern for how he affects another person's day or life.
Which brings me to the worst example of all - manipulating someone into a fake spiritual experience. All the other parlour tricks we've seen in this video disgust me, but that is so far into the realm of cruel and unnecessary that I can't even look at him any more.
I really can't feel anything for him. Just put yourself in this scene, you would either get mad at this idiot with a camera for making you miss your stop or be so shocked and amazed by what just happened and burst in laugh and be asking him ''what? how? what did you do to me?", but this guy's reaction just seemed unnatural, like I believed it was genuine up until this point where it screamed ACTING
@@AlextheENTP ye its not kind use of Ni/Fe. if anything, it's this pseudo show off narcissistic "i can do and control anyone, and i will, to their detriment" type. he wants to play god, but it will catch up w him when he realizes the backfiring even all of the mental planning can't stop
Darren Brown: "What stop are you getting off at?"
Guy: *thinking* "that's spooky"
Me: *HE'S GONNA MISS HIS STOP*
When I was a young, undersized INFP, I had many bullies and was terrified of conflict, so I learned to find the mental and spiritual weaknesses and attack them publicly, repeatedly, until they would eventually beg me to stop.
Over the years I honed that ability and others as coping skills, to protect myself and other underdogs from the masses of asses. Several of my friends over the years have remarked that the worst ass whippings they ever saw me deliver, I applied with words.
Over the years I had a few of the recipients come up to me sheepishly and thank me for the harsh words, because they weren't able to forget them and were forced to face the things about them I had shown them.
As good as it feels to know I made a positive impact on those folks, I can't help but fear that I may be responsible for someone taking their own life because I wanted to flex my ego.
I have survived two nearly fatal attempts on my own life and have ridden a bicycle, pulling a pitbull in a trailer, over twenty thousand miles raising awareness for suicide prevention.
Everything for better or worse is exactly as it should be until it changes for better or worse when it becomes exactly as it should be!
Be blessed y'all 🙏
As an INTP, I can say that this wouldn't work on me, but I'm also too scared to try and prove it.
Jester of Destiny yeah im ENTP and idk id it would work for me in the emotional sense bc low low fi
the IxxP always feels special lmao
@sina yyy yes but those people didn't know what he was doing ahah
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo Yeah, but if you refuse to feel for a second you can regain clarity.
Basically train your feeling all the time, but focus on thinking when you communicate with him and you could do okay.
@@perryabruz6846 yeah that's the wole point of being an IxxP ,
it's like saying the IxxJ always feel under attack ,
the ExxP always feels controlled
and the ExxJ always feels like the scum of the earth
INFJ here. this guy is vile and falls into the classic INFJ trap: I can move everyone else but not myself. Is there anyone worse than the mentalist who thinks everyone else is reducible to psychology but can't see how revolting that attitude would be applied to themselves?
I might have NF play as a savior/demon and I am only now started to see the hypocrisy.
It's just starts with trying to use "I" statements and avoiding projecting onto other people.
This Infj's charisma just happens to be so powerful that his projection can engulf an average person.
I can do the same thing with small shy children. It's not rocket science.
You just need to create a sense of value in a person and then that person is then willing to do what you want.The tricky part is to track what they are observing of you in that exact moment because if you are too slow to catch the perspective or too focus on yourself then they'll become withdrawn or suspicious.
Also it helps if you really can't understand what they are saying. That's how I was able to avoid getting sucked into cults and pyramid schemes. ^_^;
Wow. Now you made it clear for me.
Yeah, no. I think you're vile. Probably not that bright either.
Grow up.
Nah.
It's not that complicated.
Guy with a camera.
People crave attention/aknowledgement.
He's merely using that to overwhelm their somatic nervous system with stimulation (chaos-"wait. what's going on here!?"--squeezes bag) & providing the solution ("guidance").
He uses key phrases & anchors..
Like: "trains of thought," when they're on a train..
While gently touching his carefully selected prey.
It's just basic predatorial nlp douchebaggery.
Nothing new to see here, folks.
I Respect that Dave & Shan have armed their viewers with tools to recognise these people actually exist.
Stay Strong.
Stay Vigilant.
@@crshia Thanks! 😆
what he did reminds me of classical conditioning:
conditioned stimulus - talking about/imagining ideal father
conditioned response: emotions/feelings she experienced
unconditioned stimulus paired with conditioned stimulus: tapping with thoughts of father
so now the tapping becomes a conditioned stimulus leading to a conditioned response (feelings, emotions that the participant previously got from thinking of ideal father)
As an ENTP who learned non-mainstream psychology and persuasion techniques (credits to Akira Anzai). The person in the video you're critiquing is a master indoctrinator.
Using techniques such as: Generating Intrigue, Building Rapport, Eliciting values/emotions, then Indoctrinate. Not to mention anchors, body language, future projection, then devalidation technique. Fascinating!
I don't know if his intentions are morally right, but he is doing a great "effective" job at convincing people i.e converting someone to switch religion.
NLP
@@editorjeannie2318 yep, Neurolinguistic Programming
This is why I recommend people study social psychology and similar avenues. Improve your awareness and you won’t be tricked so easily.
Don't be so sure. Lots of smart people have been tricked by a con they thought they were too smart to fall for.
this confirmed my wariness of xNFJs
When i suspect that there are xNXJ's close,i stay away as posible and do not converse with them.Xnfj's can influence my emotions but they are separate from my actions so they will suck a dick
Everyone has gifts. It's all about the intent and how you use it that makes it either good or evil. To quote Spiderman: "With great power comes great responsibility."
exactly
My Fi would just be like “you’re fucking weird. Is this what you’re doing with your life?”
I saw him perform at a show in london maybe 15 years ago at the end he spoke about how he was bullied and how in spite of that he made it into the person he was back then. I couldn't help but feel he was overcompensating for terrible Insecurity, as though taking back control of his life meant finding ways of controlling and impressing others.
Ok, NF Blast here, supposedly. And I'm really having to dig to find something I do that compares.
It’s Infj.
its not about beeing this mystical master manipulater (the example of this guy oversaturates the actual mechanics behind it to an extreme extent)
it is about using your sense of humanity/emotions etc etc to IMPACT, change and mold your environment.
Simply expressing your emotions through gesture, body language, speech and tone can be enough to bring your intuitive pattern across.
As long as the goal is attached to "teaching the tribe your Ni" it is N blast. F or T is simply the way it will come across.
For example. Si Te blast is way more detached (although can come across as furious/intense or emotional). It is not about values, emotions, what you or society shall value.
It is simply enforcing structure, work and order into the world (which can be social indeed).
An example of INTENSE social Si Te blast would be: "You guys really need to get a grip ! You cant simply run around and insulting each other all day. You either talk it out, do some introspection or you have to seperate. This is simply not working and i think you should work on your emotional processing and relationship to make things "work".
Wheras NF blast would be generally more focused on the actual value world: "The fact that you guys are still in such a disarray is horrible. Can you not see how much pain you are resulting in each other ? This turmoil is simply bad for you and you should stop and work on your emotional processing so we can have a nice athmosphere."
NF blast is of course way more concerned with the endgoal of vibe whereas Te is (even if social) still more concerned with functionality refering more detached to the going ons.
"The force can have a strong influence on the weak minded"
- Obi Wan Kenobi
Intuitives forget that our bottom line attitude is also a good bullshit detector...IF you're more of an intuitive and aware of it. And sensates, was he being concrete (literally on earth) about anything? No! I've learned a lot from your videos. Thank you.
Honestly? I've learned better than to trust someone on a tv show. How can we know that wasn't all preplanned? And the people weren't actors? They certainly don't look convincing. I do understand what this guy was supposed to illustrate, I just don't believe him. As an INTJ, I do a similar thing, but that's called survival. I would be the one showing teachers HOW MUCH I loved their subject and how interested I was in it, just so when the time comes they couldn't judge my answers( in exams) objectively and they would always tip in the direction of a better grade,just because they liked me.
yeah, I found that scene at the end to be fake
Most likely he picked the right guys. Also, cut out the bloopers. Boom.
I can relate to this teachers stuff as an INTJ, but still see what he's doing intimidating! I feel INFJ's play in a blind spot of INTJ's.
@@AhmadOsamaMusleh yeah, my feelings have been manipulated multiple times in my life, and that's why I don't trust him and that show. Cause people lie and manipulate, if he shows us he can manipulate the feelings how can we say for sure he ain't manipulating the footage? We can't. So, dude doesn't impress me
@@einsame_Maria
I think not all of it is fake, yet maybe some. I had an INFJ friend who used to tell me about these energy stuff. She told me she sometimes sees "aura" around people depending on their emotional state. She told me also about moving the energy by hands and… weird stuff.
I'm here astonished because of the similarity between them two. Well maybe not everything shown here (or told to me there) is accurate, but I believe there is something.
At least they see the emotional patterns of the tribe and so they can deal with them somehow… It's intimidating that they see something inside people they themselves don't see.
That Derren Brown clip might be the most disturbing thing I've ever seen on TH-cam. Goddamn
After some more reflecting on this over time, I've realized that not only is this not nearly as scary as it might seem at first, but that I also do it.
If you've watched the video of Derren flipping heads on a coin ten times in a row, the exact same principle applies here. That kind of thing is really possible and did probably really happen, but a lot of things have to come together in order for it to happen that the magician doesn't show you - either lots of failed random attempts for the coin, or selecting a certain type of person at a vulnerable moment for this kind of manipulation. NF blast is really just an extreme form of the small stuff that you might do in conversation to appeal to people more, whether that's body language, emoting, linguistically framing something in a certain way, choosing what time to talk to someone about something, and the like. It can look completely crazy in some cases like in the video, but it's also minor stuff you might do reflexively and not even think about.
Welp I clearly don't use Ni or Fe... Holy moley is that scary stuff
Ming Lian lul same
Exactly.
If that dude touched/touches me, he'd/s get/ting a slap to the mouth & a camera right sideways up his "magical" little @$$.
Just kick his ass. It's all we got left. That nerd would have nothing for that, right! Right..
@@dolfdervish8495 You're embarrassing. Grow up.
@Greg: Do my words have you feeling embarassed?
Take your own advice.
I am once again made acutely aware of how little influence I have on others and how I must work to bolster that. Derren Brown is a goddamn genius, and I consider his capacity to influence the decisions of others a challenge to meet and perhaps compete with... if on another level. There's always a solution; even least worst is better than worst.
He's a fuckin' TV show host, not Svengali. You'd look like a genius too if you only showed your own highlight reels.
NF's talents have a tendency to come across as something pseudo.
"NF side has many abilities some considered unnatural "
"were can i learn this power ?"
"not from an ST."
And any type with NF Blast comes off as Psychopathic to me
@@luijsderoth8835 Dude, my mom has it. It's really not that special, lol. Oh no, she is guilt tripping me again! 😭😒
But yeah... They should do a video explaining about NFs in general and our abilities/talents/potential. They already did ST, NT and SF. Let's just hope they don't shit too much on the information with their Energy-Dom
I started studying NLP back in 2004 - it’s insanely useful and really helps people
The only time I’m able to move someone emotionally is when I’m using demon Se.
Its not always a concious awareness that an nfj has of using these techniques. : ) I can relate, however, i have never tapped and dont frame it in that literal way, this is what im doing... I just use a certain tone or look and then use the same look or tone or both to tie the thoughts and emotions i placed into a person into a feeling in the person. : ) This slightly changes the perception of a person and with practice and awareness i can realy get through to people well. In person of coarse.
INFP here and I just could never see myself doing that to someone. It seems highly unethical!
its about nfjs
I feel you!
I can only encourage people to actions when I feel that they want it, but are afraid, in denial, or lack knowledge.
Those IxFJ techniques are very short term though. And i don't would work on a Fi who is in check with their feelings - I quickly see when someone tries to manipulate me with emotion.
But we might easily fall for Te manipulation when we aren't sure we are right.
I did remember I played a joke on someone. It went like, "Y. E. S. spells yes. What does E. Y. E. S. spell?" And then the person literally stood there for 10 minutes completely stupified in a daze. He had the same look as those people trying to remember their stop. I felt really bad because I did not want him to feel stupid...it was embarassing to watch...
@masakasama I give people I am close to advice too. Usually it is to help them pursue their dreams or get them to quit something that is negatively affecting their life.
And I know I can be passive aggressive. I don't know why it is so hard to just say something. It is like something is stopping me because I just want to observe and see what will happen. Also I don't feel comfortable telling someone what to do. I believe in the more Buddhist way. Change yourself or your own circumstances instead of changing others. I also had a psychic say my throat chakra was closed, which affects my ability to communicate. I think though I just have Blast last.
Agree!! I just saw manipulation! Evil manipulation.
but he studied there techniques to be able to affect people like that, and we're honestly not sure if it's actually true since it's a tv show. Even if it was true, they invite people that would be easily influenced by these things. Idk it sounds too dramatic to say that real life normal nfjs do the same thing.
Well clearly i’m not an nfj because all of that looked a bit much to me. like i know emotional suggestion is a thing, but i’m kinda also thinking ‘this is a bit extreme’. and im just wondering if there were any people resistant (ie for the second one) which were cut out to frame the narrative that this always works. because whilst there are things that bind us all together, there are a lot of factors that affect this. the most obvious being that a blind person wouldn’t be effected by his techniques. but then there’s also factors including whether the other person was in a trusting mood (someone who’s uber paranoid would probably not be as effected) and whether they catch your cues.
But then again i do know that emotional manipulation is a thing and i probably use it, just not that much. it’s really fricken hard for me to feel sympathy/empathy for anyone else’s shiz, with myself sometimes even feeling pissed off instead. I can tell, however, exactly how to act in order to show that it’s not the case and that i totally am relating. same again with conversations i’ve deemed unnecessary. many times i’ve listened for the cues in someone else’s voice and have made those acknowledgement noises (like ‘mmm’, ‘wow’ etc) which are appropriate based off of the tone of voice (do they want me to be amazed? agreeing? empathising?) and then i piece together quickly a picture of what they said through fragments i caught in order to make a little comment to further the idea that i was listening.
So i’m of two minds. yes, manipulation of emotion is very possible, im just sceptical of the reliability and the scale? idk, im tryna make sense of it lol.
Who are some other INFJ’s typed by this system I can study? This stuff is so damn interesting
I can't think of too many who are in Derrens industry, but looking at INFJS in other fields of interest. Perhaps look at how Marilyn Manson was with Music, Hitler was with Politics and swaying millions, Carl Yung was with his thinking and psychology, Plato with his Ethics and Philosophy, Remus Lupin as a fictional Character, or even Galadriel. These all display or present very abstract ideas, which many will bring forth as good, but some INFJs understand the weakness and exploitation of others minds, and used them as nesting grounds. Ni/Fe Can unhinge many of us INFJs because of the solidarity and isolation it brings, but for the most part, if it ever gets harnessed or settled, I believe it can be used for immense good.
If indeed Jesus Christ was an INFJ, reasons being his ability to constantly speak in abstraction/parables/symbolism, his unwavering need to be isolated from crowds to find reflection and time with the Father, the way he interacted with his disciples in a very intimate way, yet his conviction for the truth, which seemed to override everything so as to present it to the masses/crowds. He demonstrated a certain level of servitude to humanity, which I would be hard pressed not to see as a very Ni/Fe emulation of how we serve others.
A potentially fitting quote from this video could be:
“As a child I felt myself to be alone, and I am still, because I know things and must hint at things which others apparently know nothing of, and for the most part do not want to know. Loneliness does not come from having no people about one, but from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to oneself, or from holding certain views which others find inadmissible.”
-Carl Yung
nerd
INFJ - I was like eww this guy is violating people >.< Go to have a conversation with my son about how its time to sleep. He starts crying a lot. I ask him why he is upset, lay my hand on his chest, tell him sleeping is nice and comfortable, and you get nice feelings, touch his ear. Smack my hands together a couple times at the right words, saying how tomorrow is a great day. Tap his chest, lay him on his pillow and he is laughing. Think to myself, "Do I always manipulate his emotions? I didn't even notice how much I use my hands and psychological tricks, never paid attention to it, lol"
Like they say, it's just normal to us, we might not even have noticed we do it at all.
Whatever man, I am NF Sleep, this guy is Blast. I don't like how he does it, I do it with elegance and flare. Subtly. Confusing people, spooking people, being in their face about it, giving them emotional outbursts. Nawh man. I don't like it. I don't want to make anyone feel stupid or be too intrusive. I want them to feel good and comfortable.
the way NFs speak ab this can be god complex-y/the opposite of humble. with humility and reluctance to admit, all of this can not only be concealed better, but it can also help but NFs in their place ab these things lmao. ur not acknowledging smth deeper than this, what he is doing is quite evil and smth anyone should be able to do. but he is taking it far in a strange direction of hurt in the name of social science.
what you did w ur son is what most mothers do, i'd say, btw
@@onemillionpercent true
You used affection to calm your child. The ear tug you did was a sign of security, not an intention of evil.
The only NF thing is that it’s a fucking show with editing and made for the purposes of entertainment and spectacle.
I need some help guys, I *believe* I am an ENFJ with savior SE demon NI
play first, blast second.
(open to adjustments because I’m afraid after all my work I typed myself upside down)
If you ask any of my friends they will tell you I am a huge nerd and love to learn random stuff that I’m very passionate about for some reason.
I feel my consume is behind my blast however, because, the only thing I love more than learning is teaching, oh boy... I’ll teach for days.
The thing I’m mainly worried about is my TI.
I feel for an ENFJ I have a strangely strong TI. I don’t have any problem explaining why I believe things, ask me a question about what I believe and I will explain away. What I do is question MYSELF often when I am alone and have time to think.
Is this normal?
let me know what you guys think and if I need to adjust my type.
P.S - I do a lot of normal ENFJ things like reading body language, not really having an issue with public speaking and being empathetic to people’s emotions. I almost didn’t see it at first because it comes so easy to me.
(Edit) after watching this video, I wish I was on darren brown’s level, but I do understand what he’s doing and how he does it.
I’m looking forward to maybe trying some of these tricks on some unsuspecting friends >:-P
yes. no
Eph Raim, what do you mean??
@@ourtube1128 yes it's normal. no u don't need to adjust your type/u can't type yourself - objectivepersonality.com. dead dogs don't try this on people if u don't know what you're doing fam
it's not rly smth to be proud of, to be doing what he does to unsuspecting ppl to their detriment. he definitely cut off the fails, of ppl equally matched to him
Interesting! How old are you?
I had a religious experience while I was dreaming. I remember how powerful it was, but it didn't convince me there was a god.
Lame
What? How?
What??
The real question is how do you not feel like shit for manipulating. Many different ways to get there, there being narcissistic.
It is pure narcissism.
I would be freaking out and not let that guy miss his stop because of me
Cesar Milan does the same Fe mind control thing on dogs 😂
I admire this man
Great video...any defense against this? Other than remaining an isolated recluse. I feel a need for a Defense against the Darkness class😱
This is hypnosis, it's a learned method, trained to perfection, and totally intentional, it has nothing to do with personality type.
I get what you're saying, but the _way_ he weilds the technique might be personality consistent.
False
i'd agree
But it’s INFjs who would most want to control people in this way.
INTJ here and I don't think that guy's trick would have worked on me. I think I would have picked up on his smoke and mirrors. To me, the whole time he sounded way too cagey. She seemed incredibly gullible. I probably would have played along with him on the surface, just out of curiosity to see where he was going with it but in my mind I'd be rolling my eyes. That's not to say NFJs don't do this. My Mom was an INFJ and I'm quite sure she probably manipulated me as a kid, for good reasons. We had a close bond. And I have an attractive ENFJ female friend at work who I find attractive (I'm an out lesbian) and she knows it and I DO think she milks it. She flirts just enough to keep me wondering. I know what she's doing and I play along, again, because I'm curious to see how far she'll take it. But I don't fall for it.
xNFJs manipulation tactics are too obvious at times, as opposed to XNFPs
How does an Ne/Fe FM of the same caliber (well developed) would compare?! 🤔 I'm interested to see the role of Ne vs. Ni in there.
Also, would he be able to convert an atheist ENTP into Christianity as well?! 🤔
this is smth im interested in as well
Did Derren get the guy a cab???
hm it does seem like ones consciousness is some else's subconscious, idk...
As an INFP, I can see that this might be possible. It's a bit of a long shot and has to be practised really well though. While I would say it is unethical to do this, I am guilty of having done similar things in much subtler ways. Though the intention was generally for the good of the people concerned, but that itself is subjective. Gentle changes in tone of voice, a higher physical ground of standing can be used to intimidate a person, so long as they seem to be incidental. Like, saying something to someone when you cross them on the stairs and pretending to remember it only after you are at the higher step.
The most frequently used one would have to be the vulnerability trick. When you play the card of exposing your vulnerabilities, people will almost always lower their guards, and might leak some personal story of a similar nature. Yet again, be as ethical as possible.
Wait, so did he just admit that what he did has nothing to do with religion or evidence behind it, but just with causing someone to have positive associations with religion to make them trust it without evidence?
Yes
yup. and this isnt always the case with religion. for ex, if an intuitive themselves had a connection to religion, i'd imagine it would have more to do w the ideology
If someone asked me what stop I'm getting off at, and I didn't remember I'd probably be all like... Idk, I'm kinda dumb, I guess we'll see
people like that feel like they would be most likely out of all types to be pick up artists, gross :(
Master manipulator.
I know I'm not special and all that, but uhh. The mention of an ISTP talking to them about moving a girl's emotions? Hmm. HMMMM
I don’t like that guy at all.
U mad? Lol. Derren Brown is my African-American 😎
He creeps me out beyond belief. The controlling, manipulating and playing around with peoples thoughts and feelings like some puppet master, like why would you want to do that to people. He made a guy late and miss his stop because he decided his little game was more important. It's probably not, and i'm probably missing a different reason/perspective here but to me it almost seems a little bit sociopathic/dark empath/loki trickster type/Machiavellian 🤷🏻♀️ Interesting that he seems to be so triggering to me.
As someone with Fi saviour, I agree
I watched the first 1:22 minutes and stopped. This man that’s your “FAVORITE” is a master manipulator, an INFJ.
This clown reminds me of the guys that try to sell cologne in stores they can't do that in..
From 1 to 10, how butthurt are you?
@@gregsander8439 Dude. Like. At least a 19.
Resistance is futile.
You will be assimilated.
uhm...terrible example sorry.
This is total bullshit. Our teacher had given us homework and during the next class (nobody had done their homework), he comes into class and the first thing he does is asks us for it. So one of my classmates went up to him and asked him if he had a good memory and then swung his hand in the air and said something like "Poof, you forgot" And the professor actually remembered everything and asked that guy to show his homework first
😂😂😂😂
😮
Well it's just Jedi mind tricks
He personally turns me off. There is this TH-cam ad which is similar... I click off SOOOO fast! The gesticulation is excessively disgusting to me, the type of speech is aggravating. If you gotta talk with that energy I wont voluntarily hold up a conversation with you. yuck!
what type are you?
So Daren Brown is a jedi.
This seems like BS, I would just be focused on how weird the dude is being LOL.
Nlp is amazing bahaha
That's not real... It can't be that easy!
The part where he basically overwhelms them with information (sensory, etc) and they end up forgetting or mixing things up is very plausible at least. The rest, it depends.
STOP GIVING AWAY NF BLAST SECRETS!
bruh
😂😂😂
Phuqeeng *hilarious!*
His type?
*Hippopotamus sh!t*
Stay *Strong,* folks.
*Stay Strong*
Religion is cringe
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