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Raven's Restler Rescue #01 | Merry Men
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ส.ค. 2024
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INTRODUCTION from Sean Oliver's Book
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Raven's Restler Rescue #01 | Merry Men
In this edition, Raven grabs two young upstarts currently struggling with a
gimmick called La Cosa Nostra and transforms them into a couple of dashing, sexually ambiguous swashbucklers.
Of course, the real test is always hearing a crowd pop. Will it happen for Raven and these Merry Men in Tights?
Follow Raven every step of the way and Find out if Raven’s efforts were a rescue or a wreck! Join this channel to get access to perks:
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Raven ribs two jabronis for an hour straight.
Yes
If this was edited down to a 30min show and had footage spliced in to show the people Raven is talking about, I could see it being a huge hit as reality TV. Interesting idea. Very cool to see how it played out in front of a crowd
This is great. Don't forget, Raven is juggling how to create a new gimmick without vignettes, TV, interviews, or time, and creating an entertaining dvd. It had to be over the top and visual, or they're still just two indie guys coming out at an indie show.
This here is the best comment because everyone just wants to say he ribbing or burying these guys for a quick payday, but if you think about it he has to work within his limitations and I think this was the absolute best he could do.
This might be my favorite episode. These two guys are so talented and do a great job of putting the gimmick over. I hope they make it cause they're really good. Especially considering how green they are.
You'll notice you've never heard of any these guys he worked with ever again lol
They ran away to Vermont together and opened a bed & breakfast
To be fair though they were hardly Sting & Warrior in 1985 just waiting for a break.
LOL at two guy's going out there and doing it , i respect anybody who goes for it in life , true failure is never even attempting to chase your own dreams , at least they are not being a mean spirited pricks in comments sections. LOL indeed .
@@kanedasrifle true 💯
Raven jobbed them, let's be real here, though these guys would never make it anyway in my opinion with or without Raven's help.
Raven: I don't want to plan out your whole match
Also Raven: here's everything you have to do, step by step 🙄
yep but it Makes sense because 3 way tag team matches are a fucking mess and you can see that they wanted to do random shit that made no sense and killed the momentum. Which he told them not to. Probably would have been different in a regular tag team match.
This went on FOREVER
Raven is an absolute riot. I’d watch every episode
Agreed, this is a very underrated show
I’ll give those two dudes props they bought into what Raven was telling them to do and they made me laugh a couple times and the nutcracker canoe definitely got a pop hahaha
This was a great idea to stand out from all the podcast. Even in 2022 i've rarely ever heard that much info about how to plan a match. Then watching the match you heard them plan was great
Interesting...
I did a video on my channel about putting a match together.
It's a really tricky concept to be able to "post" on social media, especially bc everyone pretends to love Kayfabe.
But maybe I should do some Zoom meetings to put together a match.... Could be fun.
Ever since Sean spoke about this I've been dying to see it!
Thank you lads!
I seriously believe a show like this could work today too. There are probably a bunch of veterans out there that would enjoy creating a young talent that needs help.
Every episode is just the indy guys coming out as "Legend Junior..." that just leads to the legend coming out during intermission to make $$$ 😂😂
This could have also been called "Scotty Buries Indy Talent For His Own Amusement"
The beginning of this was fairly down on how well this did, but I honestly loved it. Even though I knew you weren't going to pour time and money into a giant rib, the concept Raven laid out at first made me question if he was just screwing with the guys. I was entertained and I'm looking forward to the next two episodes.
To quote a sex offender “who the fuck hired Raven” this is brutal.
who's a sex offender
I have a few notes and do with them what you will. I love the concept. It's similar to things like Bar Rescue or Kitchen Nightmares. The concept is a proven winner. I think the opening should have shown us the old gimmick. Either Raven coming in to watch a match or reviewing a tape. No need to draw it out and have to show us the whole thing. Keep it nice and snappy. Show some of the low lights and maybe a couple highlights so we know these guys have potential. I think it could have been helped in editing. The pace should be similar to those other shows I mentioned. Keep it snappy. Keep it moving. Raven's segment at the end where he was wrapping it up was probably the best part. He needed to be reeled in a bit, given more direction, maybe some bullet points. In general, I think things would have moved more smoothly if he had been better prepared. I think he did well helping put the match together but it just dragged on too long, he kept repeating himself and losing track of what he was saying.
Raven was the biggest problem with this show. He has the mind and experience for this sort of thing but he tends to ramble on. You could see the guys tuning him out when he was trying to help with their match and honestly I tuned out a bit too. If you ever want to dust off this concept, which I think could be great for TH-cam if it's put together right, consider using a different host each time. I'd love to see how different guys would approach this sort of thing. Cornette would be perfect for this kind of show but good luck getting him to leave the house. If it could happen, then that I would pay to see.
In short, this could have used more structure and focus. I'm picturing this concept in my head working really well with the right people and tightened up a little bit in editing.
The key to not getting lost in the ramblings would have been editing... I agree about the rambling, I stopped half way through so I wouldn't get lost. But it should be consumable all at once.
If they did this with an Iphone NOW, it would be 10x better!
This is brutal. No way Raven isn't ribbing here.
True
No, he's just not very good at this.
My favorite heel of all time is Steven/William Regal. When done right this shit is gold.
As a fan of Raven, the promo, character, and wrestler, we've always heard how he was a Mensa level genius who had "so many great ideas," and how he was a "genius booker," and has a "great mind for the business." Between this and his podcast, I think he's really just a fraud who's great at working us. I attended a show he had booked and it was not good. As for this, I can't tell if it's an elaborate rib on these two guys, or Sean Oliver, or both. But if it is, he wasted Sean's time with this nonsense, and if it isn't and he was dead serious, then he definitely isn't the creative genius everyone makes him out to be.
Raven is what is wrong with this concept. I agree with everything you said. Sean should have taken one look at this and picked someone else to host this. Or a different host every episode. That could be fun.
I have to agree with you guys in that Raven was what's wrong with this content.
Raven is not a genius and he is solely to blame for the many failings during his career.
You'll notice it's basically just fans who call him a creative genius when any interview with people who have worked with him it's a pretty lukewarm reaction when they talk about the quality of his ideas
@@wyattfrizzell6672 There's still a few wrestlers who call him one of the most intelligent guys in the business, but lets be honest and say that wrestling clever isn't close to real world clever.
Thanks for these vids guys. I appreciate the revolving content showcasing whats in the vault for those of us who missed out on some of these shoots.
Wanna die? Drinking game: take a drink every time Raven says "Uh".
the shop is out of scotch, bacardi and captain morgan light. only 33 minutes in.
Good concept, get into the nitty gritty of new, over the top, ridiculous gimmicks and how that interplays into the match in order to get their characters and themselves over.
Despite Raven coming across as somewhat of an egomaniac, it has to be said he's somewhat of a genius when it comes to sports entertainment
Raven's just always too ahead of the times, 5 years later people would've ate this up.
Another career successfully stopped. Well done Raven. Don't forget to check him out in the NWA.
Honestly, this gimmick would totally work today. It’s dumb, but if the wrestlers can sell its dumbness, it would go exactly how raven said it would. Start as heels, and then Win the audience over.
Thank you! Their merch line would be awesome. Kids would be dressed like this.
27:39 "pretend that you're enthusiastic about this" LMAO
This almost feels like parody.
If there's a bigger Raven mark than myself, I'm completely unaware of his existence. Raven/Scott Levy 4 WWE HOF 2023.
This is actually great and it is sad that the dvds didn't sell. Hopefully this will get a second life here on TH-cam and maybe the idea can be used again for future videos.
They thought they were getting mob outfits like suits and bling 😂 this is turning out to be an enjoyable series and I hope KC recorded more episodes episodes and put them up here for me watvh
35:21 that was actually pretty good
Wish we could've seen what their gimmick was like before so we could compare the two
That description at the beginning was so insightful. I remember getting these and enjoying them, wondering if we'd ever get more, now I know why we didn't.
I love that they didn't even take the 2.99 price tag of the foam swords. Thats a little thing that gives them heat.
The best gimmick for these guys is raven giving them mad gimmicks and forcing them to go along with it
This had to be a rib hahahaha
I can understand why this didn’t take off. They can’t all be winners. Kudos for trying something different.
Good God. Did he rescue them from a high school gym? Yea I know some people start there but damn the odds are phenomenal that they ended up bagging groceries
Raven is a fuckin' genius. Adam and Steve is brilliant.
Holy shit, his book is a text version of a shoot video. It's a shoot video about shoot videos. That's absurdly meta.
I like this concept, but this is a brutal watch straight through. It really needed more editing.
It pretty much comes down how much are you interested in seeing how wrestlers set up their matches a lot of repeating themselves its bound to happen to get everyone on the same page.
This was a really good episode. Those two guys pulled off a gimmick that could have been a disaster in others hands. I could have definitely seen this gimmick working in the WWE with a few tweaks as long as you had those two guys doing it. Kudos. Raven does have a wicked great mind for the business. If you had Al Snow and him to personally mentor you, it would be golden.
love this one, wish these continued
my fav 3 man team ever was raven, saturn, and kanyon
It was hard to watch raven trying to call the match i think it took 40 minutes of him saying boom boom boom.
This is an amazing video. A lot of new peeps is the Biz need to watch this. As well as some vets. I'm glad it's being offered FREE
Word.
This was unexpectedly captivating lol
Anyone else sad to see both of their last matches were over 5 years ago? I wish this got over.
He did these guys dirty with this Kingdom Come: Deliverance looking gimmick 😆
Decided to check this out after listening to the book. I never gave it a chance before because I only ever saw the Dr Acula video promoted on TH-cam, and from the name and logo I thought this was some show about Raven talking to indie wrestlers about their "demons", which I didn't think would be interesting
Had I known it was a makeover thing I might have tried sooner. Great book by the way.
Vince McMahon would have made them landscapers.
Raven nails it, they aren’t big enough to be badasses, they ain’t good enough to pull off the mma style technique so you have to go the comedy route, it is hilarious looking at their faces, this was how dusty looked when Vince said “Polkadots!!l”……”you ribbin me baby”…. But you go with it and love it and it will work.
It’s the only way to get comfortable in front of a crowd.
When you don’t have that killer look physically you don’t have the larger than life personality and charisma… it also makes it very easy to play a role, if they play the English nobility angle like Lord regal and have that obnoxious look and a sustain for these commoners and poorpers who disgust them, “vile filthy creatures” makes it easy for fans to dislike them straightaway.
Fans nowadays don’t get who is the hood guy and who is the bad one, it’s just John Doe vs bill smith ….
They don’t have the charisma of a rock or a Hulkster, they must work with what we see them as and not what they wannabe.
You never want to be your final gimmick while your green because it makes you worthless!
That final incarnation you want to be must come out naturally after you’ve gained fans and a following.
Tremendous content, what a hidden gem.
Who the hell are any of these people???
Restlers apparently
As soon as I saw those outfits Raven got them I realised drugs do lasting damage
I loved this audio book , recommended. That was awesome , as a huge Raven mark i feel kinda shitty about not renting this at some point. Entertained me.
I'm a huge fan. He doesn't care 😅
But I bought this DVD off of someone selling in bulk a year ago. So I can sell it to you if you want....
I loved this.
Fagelas?
Hahahahahahahah!!!!!
Achoo???
Bless you!!!!!!
He didn’t say Abe Lincoln, he said Hey Blinken!
One of my favorite series
Hey just wanted to let you let you know that the Amazon link for your book is not working
Try Audible instead maybe , the Audio book was a sweet listen.
This needed far better editing to be taken as seriously as other previous productions from KC. The premise has promise, but man it drags. Even an hour is long for this type of content.
The ideal time would be about half an hour, maybe 40 minutes. Too much of nothing…
Kayfabe Commentaries was big buisness back then for sure! Sadly podcasts killed them off for sure, every wrestler has a podcast now
Take a shot every time Raven says "they're ambiguously gay, it's the cultural zeitgeist."
Somehow I've been watching for an hour. Please help me...
Jose and Jos B lol 😆
Their entrance and in ring was great but they should have worked the match with the costumes on because without the costumes they don't look like their gimmick at all.
Raven is hilarious, perfect format for him!
Ravens absolutely right I'm the beginning there talking about Michael Hayes. He's probably the best in the mic I've ever heard. If you haven't hears him look up his old interviews you will be blown away
I think this is the most unique wrestling related show I've ever seen. Pride aside (and dignity) if you look at the bigger picture this really made Juan and Jose see wrestling from a different perspective and try out a different personality for their gimmick instead of the same boring gimmicks that have been done to death.
The only thing that I could ever change from this show is the end. Instead of having a Raven promo it would've been nice to check on Miguel and Enrique and see how they doing like a good month later.
It would've been really interesting to see if they dropped the Renaissance Gaymen gimmick and come up with something of their own BUT with what they've learned about trying something new and out of their element that can entertain the High school gym crowds.
The question isn't whether or not this is an elaborate rib, the question is whether or not this will get OVER with the fans who PAY MONEY to see it. Also, the row boat idea was pretty ingenious because I've never seen it done before. THAT'S what gets people talking. THAT'S what translates to dollars. Raven was trained by Jake Roberts, who was trained by Grizzly Smith. That's about as "old school carnie" as you can get. Think about all the singles & tag teams who have come and gone with gimmicks and outfits just as ridiculous as this that absolutely got over (The Mountie, The New Day, Fandango, Red Rooster, etc.) it's pro-wrestling, folks. It's supposed to be over-the-top. The late, great Scott Hall once quoted Chief Jay Strongbow (an Italian dressed as a Native American) by saying, "The only thing real in this business is the money and the miles." Guess what? They ain't wrong.
And he's some pro wrestling genius?
I love this so much.
I really enjoyed this
i love them great timing
I loved that KC tried something new, it’s a shame many people don’t particularly like Raven although he has a great mind for the business he also has a strange demeanour which makes me not sure about him.
His goldust ziggy episode was a good insight and a reminder just why new guys who are green need to use a gimmick to hide their real selves.
Allow them to experiment and to lose without damaging the character behind the gimmick.
Even hacksaw duggan had a gimmick as the convict before he built his character and gained the confidence to go out without a real gimmick, Kevin Nash is also a great example, OZ was a great way to hide him with out killing him off.
Imagine when he came back to wcw and if everyone remembered his OZ character he would’ve had zero credibility and it wouldn’t have worked.
He doesn't have a great mind for the business lol
Too bad none of them ever became anything
Very enjoyable 😉
Someone should’ve turned down the ring mic , sounded like explosions every time someone stamped a foot!
Masterful
What a terrible idea. I can see why no one is using Raven.
At first, I thought the chubby guy with a beard was kevin Owen's lol
Bear Boulder from AEW
Does anyone know what happened to these guys? Are they still working?
Did I see 👀 Bear Boulder from AEW? 36:15
I am 99% sure you did. Was about to comment the same myself
@@nautiluszaibatsu that's pretty cool. I wonder whatever happened to the Merry Men?
I can see why this failed. No one wants Raven rambling spots out for 20 minutes.
Nice!
has he made any rescues yet?
I love this. Are there more of these that we can watch please?
Anyone noticed the honkytonk man shoot is no longer up? I need me some htm
Yeah I noticed this channel only keeps the vids up for so long unfortunately
@@jonbourgoin182 why?
We take stuff down after 30 days so as to not devalue KCVAULT.Pivotshare.com
Is the big guy Bear Boulder from AEW?
That's him! I was their manager on the indies. Great guy! Very talented
@@thebaldbrand I knew it! Thank you.
The fans know wrestling is a show and want to be entertained, unless your the all killing monster with explosive intensity it’s best to go with something like this.
Theee guys need to be hidden for at least 5 more years before they get bigger and better.
raven is such an ass. i love his take on all this stuff.
The gayatin lol
Did ANYONE keep ravens gimmick?
I’ve heard of this series but I wasn’t interested now that I’d seen it it’s awesome idea to bad it was only 3 episodes.
A young Bear Boulder is spotted.
Who?
Sweet
I got through about 4 minutes of that...
I got to a half hour.
53:34 that big kid in the black shirt looks good, is he still wrestling?
Yes, hes in wwe. His name is kevin Owens.
That's Bear Boulder. He's in a tag team called Bear Country, and currently wrestles for AEW
@@thebaldbrand wow! Good for him.
@@citizenbeeswax7985 Really?? ARE YOU BLIND??? Bear Boulder from AEW. He and KO look NOTHING alike.
@@nielgregory108 lmao I think he was joking, they do share a semblance
I saw the thumbnails and thought it was the young bucks
While I applaud Sean for trying to come up with something new this series seems really awful.
I don't know if the intent behind this was to legitimately help these indie wrestlers with their careers or just to roast them. The whole thing comes across as an uncomfortable mix of insult comedy and somewhat helpful advice. That isn't a good mix, especially considering how Ravens big idea here was to turn these guys into gay hobbits or whatever.
It doesn't really help that Raven is a pretty unlikeable character to begin with.
The concept is FANTASTIC and a proven winner. Bar Rescue, Kitchen Nightmares, Hotel Rescue, etc. You obviously have NO, NADA, ZILTCH knowledge of what works and what don't. This would work, with the proper editing.
@@nielgregory108 The key difference is that the harsh criticism of Gordon Ramsay would improve those restaurants at least on the short term while Raven here wanted to make these guys wrestle as gay hobbits, but thanks for the input.
@@psynque I get were you coming from but while its not my cup of tea. There is plenty of wrestling fans specially in the indies that like this dumb ass gimmicks, like 5 years ago people were still laughing at that stupid Joey Ryan dick flip gimmick and now its Orange Cassidy. I dont get it but people like that stuff for whatever reason.
This was the death note of KC. When I saw this, I never watched another KC product. It was so poor, with such little value or interest in it. Both Raven and the indie kids were just sad. Yikes. Looking back at this one is a sad one, its the Game of Thrones Season 8 of KC.