I’ve played the OG and Dune Imperium- and if someone who is a euro gamer, I have to say if you want to feel like you are playing the movie/book the OG Dune is what does it. I’m not sure how one would teach that game but it’s so full of intriguing negotiation, and you don’t know what’s gonna happen, and at the last minute, I pulled out a win which was a complete shock. I mean this is not the style of game I play at all. But if you want to put the time into learning it and have six players, the OG is a very interesting experience.
OG is one of our favorite game of all time. Not so hard to teach, it have a built in teacher mechanic... the Atreides faction. Because atre can see any treachery card (almost any) you can easily help out new players with tips and tricks. Always go full advanced, altough the advanced battle is a bit complicated for new players, but advance is something special.
Been playing the OG version with 6 players, but now we have a 7th player interested. I do have the first two faction expansions (for a total of 8). Anyone know if you can play with 7?
@@tsears3 Easy. At 7-8-9-10-11-12 players economy factions (Emperor, Guild, Choam, etc) only get spice from the first 6 players. Jack Reda, the expansions designer plays like that. Check his chanel, he have many good stuffs there for ya. Player order is in on you. Prepare for rend sand because there will be a lot of bloodshed =D
I've played the original Dune board game for many years, and I'm so happy the new Dune movies are bringing attention to this game. At 6 players, the game play is legendary. The game is filled with surprises and the game sessions are memorable. I love Dune Imperium as well, but the original Dune board game is unsurpassed when playing with 6 players.
Roy has helped me to decide which Dune board game to buy.....and I shall buy all of them......Thanks for the reviews (I've watched the other video reviews for the individual games). I really appreciate the fact that you are a big fan of the IP, so it makes me appreciate your opinion a lot more. Cheers!
OG Dune is the only one I’ve played so far, but that okay. It goes down as the only game I’ve ranked 10/10. I’ve had a game end in 10 min because a Bene Gesserit was grossly underestimated, and had a game go on over six hours because of shifting alliances. If you want to experience Dune, for me, the original is where it’s at!
Dune the board game just may be the greatest epic game ever BUT it is definitely not for everyone. It needs to be at 6 (5 at least) and it is a very long game (usually 6+) so it is hard to get to the table. The basic rules are straight forward BUT there is an exception for everything. Then throw on top everyone has their own powers which gives someone an advantage at every part of the game. It is heavy in flexible strategy with so much talking, negotiation, betrayal, lies, alliances and this doesnt even include what is going on on the board. Also the teach is tough especially as you should play with extra rules to truly make it shine. Not for everyone but I think it is one of those games everyone should try and play at least once like Twilight Imperium IV.
It's best at 6p, but honestly I've played it quite a lot at 4p (e.g., during double dates with other couples that play board games) and it's still a lot of fun. Also the time is overblown. Every one of my 6p games has lasted 5 hours max, usually less - it depends on the experience of the players.
Have not played og dune , but I've played Imperium, and uprising and War for Arrakis , it's war for Arrakis all the way , but you got me stoked to try OG Dune
I have not played 3 or 4 player yet, but my friends have and says although it's better at 2 , 4 is also good. I was told it adds a level of coordination that is obviously not present in the 2 player. I am eager to try it myself. @@EphraimSyriacus
Original Dune is the game you want to play that best integrates the theme of the subject matter into the mechanics. The others are good games, no doubt. War for Arrakis captures well a specific slice of Dune's theme into a game, but the broader themes that Herbert was trying to convey are found in OG Dune.
Dune the boardgame is Dune in the box and thus my fav of all time... it's complex, with plans within plans, exceptions everywhere etc. But, let's face it, as much as I love it, it's very difficult to teach. Too long. And, to really enjoy it, you need to "roleplay" it. So finding 6 people to play that game is really challenging. Now, with Villeneuve's movies, maybe that game I liked will come back in style
@@philthephreak from 30 to 60min per player seems right (depends if they all know the rules, if you play with advanced rules or not, number of alliances broken involved etc. etc).
Not many have tried the 6 player variant on Dune Imperium Uprising, but I was delightfully surprised by it. It exceeded my expectations on how fun it was to play that way with interesting interactions that you don't see in a regular game.
Thanks for the video Roy. War for Arrakis is amazingly epic, but only really covers the conflict in the sense of the armies. Dune is awesome at the political intrigue, subterfuge, and statecraft, side of things, and Dune Uprising I think represents the whole story well albeit from a macro level. All worth keeping in the collection. War for Arrakis is my favorite of the three though.
Much as I would like to play Dune, getting 5-6 players together who want to play a 4 hour game regularly enough to remember everything is almost impossible. I ended up getting rid of my copy and went with Dune: Imperium instead. Uprising put too much focus on the worms which I disliked. Some advice I got for it (but haven't implemented yet) is to get a custom playmat with the Uprising board on it to get the balance adjustments they've made.
Imperium has nice mechanics but do not really capture the essence of Dune's intrigue for me. The CMON game represents everything I hate about newer games where everything has to have overproduced components that jack up the prices and drive up hype. I'll take the lean, evocative and accessible OG Dune any day.
Dune War for Arrakis four player is a lot of fun. Great team game. Because teammates cannot share info about their cards, there is little alpha-gaming.
The Harkonnen took over initially with the Imperium troops/Sardaukar, not alone. Do they have both troops? Or maybe this is adter movie 2 and the Imperium is taken down?
Thank you for this video. I have a game group and the opportunity to play 2 player games isn’t a thing for me. Letting me know that the CMON Dune is mainly a 2-player war of the ring kind of game confirmed its not ever going to hit the table for my gaming nights
I know it's not comparable to the OG Dune, but I've found introducing the lighter "Dune Conquest and Diplomacy" to non-gamers works really well (and it can actually get to the table more). As a gamer 'Dune Imperium' is my current favorite for sure, but I do like having a welcoming game to play with Dune fans who don't game that much.
There's a little known game by Grant Rodiek called Imperius (reimplementation of Solstice: Fall of Empire). It's a lightweight drafting card game and is heavily inspired by the Dune IP. I recommend it checking it out, it has more depth than it lets on. I've only played it at 2-players, and have quite enjoyed it.
Hi Ingo, lieben Dank dass du das hier vorgestellt hast - im seriellen TV im Nachtprogramm oder sonstwann hätte ich die nicht entdeckt. Ken Watanabe ist ja immer sehenswert... Deine Beschreibung was da passiert und vor allem, was da nicht passiert, macht mich sehr neugierig auf die Serie. Kennst du eigentlich 'The Sinner''? Meiner Meinung nach die beste "langsame" Crime-Serie. Garantiert sehr wenige bis keine Explosionen, aber viel "Uff!". Wer keinen introvertierte und dauerzerknirschten Bill Pullman sehen mag, sollte aber einen großen Bogen darum machen und was explosiveres Schauen.
Thanks for the comparison! We miss Dune: Conquest though, the lighter version of Dune OG? I think that is the one thats coming up on Gamefound in 2024 and not the Dune OG
It is nice and there is more than you see for the first play! Plans within plans! Requires good undeerstanding of asymmetric play! Atreides can not with by pure force! You need to play with their strength!
Hey roy Have you tried Dune Uprissing with expansions? Does it work well with them? especially rise of ix I,m trying to figure out if I should replace the original with uprising & I know you guys liked uprising more than the original but I'm curious about how they compare with each other after adding the expansions.
I've played all three. Dune War for Arrakis is my favorite for Dune theming and very high up my favorite games list....but Dune Imperium beats it for gameplay as a top 10 favorite game overall. The theme for Dune Imperium doesn't hit nearly as hard as either other game. Dune Imperium also IMO plays great at two players using a deck to block action spots and the only one of the three with solo worth playing. Dune War for Arrakis I've taught to 3 different friends, one of which had only every played Chess and Catan a few times - and they all liked it. The initial teach takes a moment but it's all thematically tied together and so easy to remember. I'd argue it may even be an easier overall game to learn than Dune Imperium to someone who doesn't know worker placement or deck building. Original Dune - is a miss for me. I need to give it more chances, but I feel there's some substantial flaws in the design with surprise game ends and player elimination. As hard as it tries to be thematic, the setup just doesn't pop to me as being like the source material unlike CMON's Dune which mimics the second half of the first book (basically in line with the new movie). You also very much want that exact 6 player count of Dune fans with a long day to play...and that feels so hard to get that I'd rather just focus on getting a Twilight Imperium IV game planned.
Very bummed we didn't get this answer...I know it's like comparing apples and oranges, but you can compare those things! Apples are great because they're ready to go. Oranges take a bit more work and leave more of a mess. But in the right environment, I prefer oranges. Your turn, Roy. Which game is the best?
Once again, just because boardgames have the same IP doesn't mean they're anything alike. Dune imperium is a eurogame, OG Dune is a wargame with an emphasis on negotiation. They have no overlap whatsoever and yet are presented in the same video as a "which should you get" choice simply because they share the same theme. This is a diservice to potential buyers. The real comparison for Dune Imperium is lost ruins of Arnak because they're both worker placement/deck building games. If someone's looking to buy one game of that category that's what they should be looking at, not Dune games in general.
Plenty of people sesrch for games by theme and artwork first, and then learn what the games are underneath that. It's helpful for people who research games differently than you do.
For me the problem with the Dune IP is the theme. Haven't you wandered why the only Dune book that is accredited as masterpiece is the first one? The reason is twofold, first of all the second and third books in the saga were not very welcome by readers back in the 70s. No spoilers, but you have to read them in order to understand me. Specially Dune Messiah was in my opinion a piece of junk. Frank Herbert did made amends with Heretics of Dune, by creating an intergalactic diaspora involving thousands of years, but lefting it unfinished by his death. Also God Emperor of Dune was ultimately a very boring read with an absolutely ridiculous ending (Wizard of Oz like). The prequels are also bad. The Dune Imperium expansion The Rise of IX was actually based in the prequel novels, and it was particularly good. Maybe the IP is better for games.
I’ve played the OG and Dune Imperium- and if someone who is a euro gamer, I have to say if you want to feel like you are playing the movie/book the OG Dune is what does it. I’m not sure how one would teach that game but it’s so full of intriguing negotiation, and you don’t know what’s gonna happen, and at the last minute, I pulled out a win which was a complete shock. I mean this is not the style of game I play at all. But if you want to put the time into learning it and have six players, the OG is a very interesting experience.
OG is one of our favorite game of all time.
Not so hard to teach, it have a built in teacher mechanic... the Atreides faction.
Because atre can see any treachery card (almost any) you can easily help out new players with tips and tricks.
Always go full advanced, altough the advanced battle is a bit complicated for new players, but advance is something special.
Been playing the OG version with 6 players, but now we have a 7th player interested. I do have the first two faction expansions (for a total of 8). Anyone know if you can play with 7?
@@tsears3 Easy.
At 7-8-9-10-11-12 players economy factions (Emperor, Guild, Choam, etc) only get spice from the first 6 players.
Jack Reda, the expansions designer plays like that. Check his chanel, he have many good stuffs there for ya.
Player order is in on you.
Prepare for rend sand because there will be a lot of bloodshed =D
I've played the original Dune board game for many years, and I'm so happy the new Dune movies are bringing attention to this game. At 6 players, the game play is legendary. The game is filled with surprises and the game sessions are memorable. I love Dune Imperium as well, but the original Dune board game is unsurpassed when playing with 6 players.
Yop.
Imperium is a great game.
But OG is its own thing.
Roy has helped me to decide which Dune board game to buy.....and I shall buy all of them......Thanks for the reviews (I've watched the other video reviews for the individual games). I really appreciate the fact that you are a big fan of the IP, so it makes me appreciate your opinion a lot more. Cheers!
OG Dune: politics
Imperium: economics
War for Arrakis: warfare
OG Dune: 4-6 players
Imperium: 3-4 players
War for Arrakis: 1-2 players
just a fun fact. "kwisatz haderach" is a Hebrew saying.
basically means shortcut.
That is a fun fact - thanks! =)
Kefitzat haderech: "Contraction of the road"
OG Dune is the only one I’ve played so far, but that okay. It goes down as the only game I’ve ranked 10/10. I’ve had a game end in 10 min because a Bene Gesserit was grossly underestimated, and had a game go on over six hours because of shifting alliances. If you want to experience Dune, for me, the original is where it’s at!
I have played all Dune board game out there.
But OG Dune is the only one in my collection.
Hail to the king.
Dune the board game just may be the greatest epic game ever BUT it is definitely not for everyone. It needs to be at 6 (5 at least) and it is a very long game (usually 6+) so it is hard to get to the table. The basic rules are straight forward BUT there is an exception for everything. Then throw on top everyone has their own powers which gives someone an advantage at every part of the game. It is heavy in flexible strategy with so much talking, negotiation, betrayal, lies, alliances and this doesnt even include what is going on on the board.
Also the teach is tough especially as you should play with extra rules to truly make it shine.
Not for everyone but I think it is one of those games everyone should try and play at least once like Twilight Imperium IV.
It's best at 6p, but honestly I've played it quite a lot at 4p (e.g., during double dates with other couples that play board games) and it's still a lot of fun.
Also the time is overblown. Every one of my 6p games has lasted 5 hours max, usually less - it depends on the experience of the players.
I always like your energy and take on things - thanks Roy!
I know I have a problem when I own all the games being compared in a comparison video…..
Well I do too!! And I have access to all of them at work as well! But i need my own!!!
@@RoyCannaday Don’t you dare one up me Roy! Your tax deductible, depreciating asset, sponsored inventory is not a reflection of my bad decisions!
@@adilgeresu2296i don’t think I can claim board games as a w2 employee but having fun with your hobby is always worth the investment! 😝
the problem is we don't have enough variety of Dune games, clearly ;)
Yes, Roy! Great comparison and awesome enthusiasm!
Have not played og dune , but I've played Imperium, and uprising and War for Arrakis , it's war for Arrakis all the way , but you got me stoked to try OG Dune
It is old school and a bit long but I have had a blast with it over the years! - Roy
@ltsjuicy, would you recommend Arrakis for 4 players too?
I have not played 3 or 4 player yet, but my friends have and says although it's better at 2 , 4 is also good. I was told it adds a level of coordination that is obviously not present in the 2 player. I am eager to try it myself. @@EphraimSyriacus
I love Imperium, and have played Dune OG twice and loved it! I just got in War for Arrakis and can't wait to try.
Original Dune is the game you want to play that best integrates the theme of the subject matter into the mechanics. The others are good games, no doubt. War for Arrakis captures well a specific slice of Dune's theme into a game, but the broader themes that Herbert was trying to convey are found in OG Dune.
Dune the boardgame is Dune in the box and thus my fav of all time... it's complex, with plans within plans, exceptions everywhere etc.
But, let's face it, as much as I love it, it's very difficult to teach. Too long. And, to really enjoy it, you need to "roleplay" it. So finding 6 people to play that game is really challenging.
Now, with Villeneuve's movies, maybe that game I liked will come back in style
How long would you say OG Dune takes to play on average?
@@philthephreak from 30 to 60min per player seems right (depends if they all know the rules, if you play with advanced rules or not, number of alliances broken involved etc. etc).
@@philthephreak same as a tabletop RPG session, which is ~4h for my crew.
Not many have tried the 6 player variant on Dune Imperium Uprising, but I was delightfully surprised by it. It exceeded my expectations on how fun it was to play that way with interesting interactions that you don't see in a regular game.
Love your enthusiasm.
good video series!
i need this with the everdell expansions and zombicide games.
Thanks for the video Roy. War for Arrakis is amazingly epic, but only really covers the conflict in the sense of the armies. Dune is awesome at the political intrigue, subterfuge, and statecraft, side of things, and Dune Uprising I think represents the whole story well albeit from a macro level. All worth keeping in the collection. War for Arrakis is my favorite of the three though.
Dune OG. Best. Game mechanics, negotiation, mind games with opponents
Much as I would like to play Dune, getting 5-6 players together who want to play a 4 hour game regularly enough to remember everything is almost impossible.
I ended up getting rid of my copy and went with Dune: Imperium instead. Uprising put too much focus on the worms which I disliked.
Some advice I got for it (but haven't implemented yet) is to get a custom playmat with the Uprising board on it to get the balance adjustments they've made.
Imperium has nice mechanics but do not really capture the essence of Dune's intrigue for me. The CMON game represents everything I hate about newer games where everything has to have overproduced components that jack up the prices and drive up hype. I'll take the lean, evocative and accessible OG Dune any day.
Dune War for Arrakis four player is a lot of fun. Great team game. Because teammates cannot share info about their cards, there is little alpha-gaming.
The Harkonnen took over initially with the Imperium troops/Sardaukar, not alone. Do they have both troops? Or maybe this is adter movie 2 and the Imperium is taken down?
This I am really interested in. Who won - You Roy, or Stephen Buonocore?
Thank you for this video. I have a game group and the opportunity to play 2 player games isn’t a thing for me.
Letting me know that the CMON Dune is mainly a 2-player war of the ring kind of game confirmed its not ever going to hit the table for my gaming nights
We had a good time playing the original with all the factions. Hope to play the new one soon.
I know it's not comparable to the OG Dune, but I've found introducing the lighter "Dune Conquest and Diplomacy" to non-gamers works really well (and it can actually get to the table more). As a gamer 'Dune Imperium' is my current favorite for sure, but I do like having a welcoming game to play with Dune fans who don't game that much.
Waiting for my copy of War for Aarakis.
There's a little known game by Grant Rodiek called Imperius (reimplementation of Solstice: Fall of Empire). It's a lightweight drafting card game and is heavily inspired by the Dune IP. I recommend it checking it out, it has more depth than it lets on. I've only played it at 2-players, and have quite enjoyed it.
Great video Roy! Thanks for this
Hi Ingo, lieben Dank dass du das hier vorgestellt hast - im seriellen TV im Nachtprogramm oder sonstwann hätte ich die nicht entdeckt. Ken Watanabe ist ja immer sehenswert... Deine Beschreibung was da passiert und vor allem, was da nicht passiert, macht mich sehr neugierig auf die Serie.
Kennst du eigentlich 'The Sinner''? Meiner Meinung nach die beste "langsame" Crime-Serie. Garantiert sehr wenige bis keine Explosionen, aber viel "Uff!". Wer keinen introvertierte und dauerzerknirschten Bill Pullman sehen mag, sollte aber einen großen Bogen darum machen und was explosiveres Schauen.
Love the video Roy! Wish you guys would do more Marvel Champions content!
Thanks for the comparison! We miss Dune: Conquest though, the lighter version of Dune OG? I think that is the one thats coming up on Gamefound in 2024 and not the Dune OG
Love the T-shirt, Roy! ^_^
Yeah! Direwolf handed them out at the Mr. Beast Thing! Long live the fighters!
@@thedicetower Nice! :-D Jealous!
Uprising is so good!
Opinions on "Dune: House Secrets"?
Does Uprising fit in the deluxe box??
Roy is the man!
So what's the best game for 5 players?
Dune.
Dune ccg!
Getting the three of them, thanks! 😅
Having played Dune war for Arrakis, Imperium and OG Dune... Dune Imperium by a LARGE margin is the best Dune game
If you don't have Dune Imperium go for Dune Uprising instead!
Great video, Roy.
I have never played Dune nor seen the movie or read any book, but I must admit I'm very intrigued with the new War for Arrakis one...
It is nice and there is more than you see for the first play! Plans within plans! Requires good undeerstanding of asymmetric play! Atreides can not with by pure force! You need to play with their strength!
Hey roy
Have you tried Dune Uprissing with expansions?
Does it work well with them? especially rise of ix
I,m trying to figure out if I should replace the original with uprising & I know you guys liked uprising more than the original but I'm curious about how they compare with each other after adding the expansions.
What about the dawn of the fremen board game?
I've played all three. Dune War for Arrakis is my favorite for Dune theming and very high up my favorite games list....but Dune Imperium beats it for gameplay as a top 10 favorite game overall. The theme for Dune Imperium doesn't hit nearly as hard as either other game. Dune Imperium also IMO plays great at two players using a deck to block action spots and the only one of the three with solo worth playing. Dune War for Arrakis I've taught to 3 different friends, one of which had only every played Chess and Catan a few times - and they all liked it. The initial teach takes a moment but it's all thematically tied together and so easy to remember. I'd argue it may even be an easier overall game to learn than Dune Imperium to someone who doesn't know worker placement or deck building.
Original Dune - is a miss for me. I need to give it more chances, but I feel there's some substantial flaws in the design with surprise game ends and player elimination. As hard as it tries to be thematic, the setup just doesn't pop to me as being like the source material unlike CMON's Dune which mimics the second half of the first book (basically in line with the new movie). You also very much want that exact 6 player count of Dune fans with a long day to play...and that feels so hard to get that I'd rather just focus on getting a Twilight Imperium IV game planned.
Btw GF9 Dune will have a Kwizats Haderach edition in 2025.
Just tellin' ;)
Thoughts on House Secrets?
Soooooooo Roy what’s your favorite???
Very bummed we didn't get this answer...I know it's like comparing apples and oranges, but you can compare those things! Apples are great because they're ready to go. Oranges take a bit more work and leave more of a mess. But in the right environment, I prefer oranges. Your turn, Roy. Which game is the best?
Would Uprising be the recommendation for solo?
Probably! I do know the Cmon one also has a solo mode, but I haven’t tried it yet!
You need a smaller watch band
More Roy Cannaday videos!
Once again, just because boardgames have the same IP doesn't mean they're anything alike. Dune imperium is a eurogame, OG Dune is a wargame with an emphasis on negotiation. They have no overlap whatsoever and yet are presented in the same video as a "which should you get" choice simply because they share the same theme. This is a diservice to potential buyers. The real comparison for Dune Imperium is lost ruins of Arnak because they're both worker placement/deck building games. If someone's looking to buy one game of that category that's what they should be looking at, not Dune games in general.
Plenty of people sesrch for games by theme and artwork first, and then learn what the games are underneath that. It's helpful for people who research games differently than you do.
As a solo gamer - Dune Imperium (plus expansions - but not the newer worse version) is the best
@@jl3612 i actually did not. I knew in advance not to waste my money on it. Thank you for playing though 👏👏👏
It would not be dune unless there was 17 different games all good but also super confusing
Dune war for aurus looks a lot like Star Wars Rebellion to me
Which one? All three!
My vote is Dune Imperium, but that is the only Dune game that I've played.
i like funko pop
For me the problem with the Dune IP is the theme. Haven't you wandered why the only Dune book that is accredited as masterpiece is the first one? The reason is twofold, first of all the second and third books in the saga were not very welcome by readers back in the 70s. No spoilers, but you have to read them in order to understand me. Specially Dune Messiah was in my opinion a piece of junk. Frank Herbert did made amends with Heretics of Dune, by creating an intergalactic diaspora involving thousands of years, but lefting it unfinished by his death. Also God Emperor of Dune was ultimately a very boring read with an absolutely ridiculous ending (Wizard of Oz like). The prequels are also bad. The Dune Imperium expansion The Rise of IX was actually based in the prequel novels, and it was particularly good. Maybe the IP is better for games.
Weird niche video
Well the movie is coming out this weekend so trying to help people looking to play Dune!!
You could say that about any board game video. Useless comment.
@@darinherrick9224 no