TLDR always hit record! A while ago I was working on this awkward exercise, finding I'd sometimes nail it and other times, seemingly at random, screw it up. Practicing one day I happened to be filming on the Sony zv-1, looking at the screen I noticed my palm make the tiniest of adjustments up towards the underside of the neck. "Ah ha, that's the problem!" Compressing the palm upwards slightly was restricting the freedom and control of the pinky and 3rd fingers, which in turn was mucking up my control of the timing and rhythm. I don't think I'd have really noticed this without filming the practice and I hadn't been looking at my hand in the camera screen. I also later went on to film a lesson and whole practice session designed around the exercise, and also extoll the virtues of getting into the habit of recording your practice, even when it's not intended for sharing or posting!
This was really great seeing the process you go through to advance technique. I'm just getting back into guitar after a long enforced break, and this is really helpful in considering my approach to practice, and improvement. Thnak you.
This was great David thanks. I’ve had to really consciously work on not trying to grip the neck with my thumb or feel like I somehow have to support the neck with my palm to stop it moving. Maintaining that gap really makes a difference in the strength and independence my fingers have and reinforced those notions once again. Awesome stuff mate cheers
That’s Sam glad it was useful. The thumb grip thing is really interesting, it can be really good for blues phrasing, bending and chordal playing but kryptonite for legato kinda stuff. Satriani is the master of quickly switching from a thumb over grip to back of the neck efficient placement!
@@DavidBeebee cheers David. To be fair I've been pretty late to the Satch party but I saw your thumb move in the latest 'tapping finger' short you put out and it was seamless. Using the latter part of that lick at the mo to drill that movement and try to get the thumb support available without fully grabbing the neck in a death grip
I found an interesting 'thing' by accident. It may have been a violin line I'd heard, but when I tried to play it, I could only manage a couple of repeats before it fell apart. I tried some similar lines with similar results, and with practice got better at it, but still hit a speed bump. When I looked into it, the problem was the next iteration starts using the same finger as the previous iteration finishes. If you play say a 4 note line over 2 strings, 2 notes per string, but on the next iteration move it a half-step *and* reverse the note order, and repeat. There's something about reversing the note order, plus shifting position, so a different finger has to move and play 2 notes at the end of each iteration, which isn't so common, ditto when it's repeated. It's a bit easier with hammer-on/pull-off moves, but I like to be able to pick, or legato, the same lines by choice, if possible.
Hey David! Great video. I have always focused on picking mechanics and have made the decision to really dive into legato in this style this year. I'm really struggling getting clean notes to consistently sound out clean above the 12th fret. Any advice other than to keep practicing at it? Thank you!
Hey thanks! Good luck diving in to the legato world. Clean notes above the 12th fret. Hmm that could be a few things, let's assume that you're guitar is setup and functioning as it should, then I'd maybe think about the way you're holding it or sitting with it. Are you able to maintain (roughly) the same arm/hand position up above the 12th fret as you have at say the 5th fret? Consistency is really quite a big deal for this technique I find. Obviously on a single cut les Paul type guitar you're gonna have issues right up the top because the thumb literally can't get behind the fingers etc. It's one of the reasons I wear my guitar in the 'fusion chin strap' style height performing live! The extra height allows that hand position consistency. Actually, this is a good idea for a video! Thanks again for watching :)
@DavidBeebee great insight thank you. I will look at my hand positioning. My main guitar is a strat with a bulky back plate so my hand kind of defaults to the thumb over blues grip up there. I think the smaller fret spacing and higher string tension up there is less forgiving as well. I don't think it's a set up issue. My action isn't slammed by any means but I don't think it's high. If I'm picking it doesn't feel hard to play. I think I'm playing too hard too because often when I do get a note to sound from a pinky pull off i notice a chirp sometimes. I'm also fully accepting that I have only been focusing on this for 2 months so my finger movement/strength probably isn't there yet. It just feels completely different high on the neck as apposed to the first 12 frets. Thanks again!
Hey nelson, actually I extended the INTERVAL50 one from my previous video for a couple of days. It's valid until the 28th if you want to get in on that, use INTERVAL50. Thanks for the interest! :)
TLDR always hit record! A while ago I was working on this awkward exercise, finding I'd sometimes nail it and other times, seemingly at random, screw it up. Practicing one day I happened to be filming on the Sony zv-1, looking at the screen I noticed my palm make the tiniest of adjustments up towards the underside of the neck. "Ah ha, that's the problem!" Compressing the palm upwards slightly was restricting the freedom and control of the pinky and 3rd fingers, which in turn was mucking up my control of the timing and rhythm. I don't think I'd have really noticed this without filming the practice and I hadn't been looking at my hand in the camera screen. I also later went on to film a lesson and whole practice session designed around the exercise, and also extoll the virtues of getting into the habit of recording your practice, even when it's not intended for sharing or posting!
This was really great seeing the process you go through to advance technique. I'm just getting back into guitar after a long enforced break, and this is really helpful in considering my approach to practice, and improvement. Thnak you.
Glad you found it helpful! Good luck getting back into playing guitar regularly again, have fun!
Cara... parabéns pelo trabalho e, obrigado pela contribuição com a música
thanks for watching!
Incredibly helpful. Thanks so much.
you're welcome, glad it's helpful. Thanks for watching!
Great advice! Looking forward to trying it out in my practice this week
have fun and good luck!
This was great David thanks. I’ve had to really consciously work on not trying to grip the neck with my thumb or feel like I somehow have to support the neck with my palm to stop it moving. Maintaining that gap really makes a difference in the strength and independence my fingers have and reinforced those notions once again. Awesome stuff mate cheers
That’s Sam glad it was useful. The thumb grip thing is really interesting, it can be really good for blues phrasing, bending and chordal playing but kryptonite for legato kinda stuff. Satriani is the master of quickly switching from a thumb over grip to back of the neck efficient placement!
@@DavidBeebee cheers David. To be fair I've been pretty late to the Satch party but I saw your thumb move in the latest 'tapping finger' short you put out and it was seamless. Using the latter part of that lick at the mo to drill that movement and try to get the thumb support available without fully grabbing the neck in a death grip
I found an interesting 'thing' by accident. It may have been a violin line I'd heard, but when I tried to play it, I could only manage a couple of repeats before it fell apart. I tried some similar lines with similar results, and with practice got better at it, but still hit a speed bump. When I looked into it, the problem was the next iteration starts using the same finger as the previous iteration finishes.
If you play say a 4 note line over 2 strings, 2 notes per string, but on the next iteration move it a half-step *and* reverse the note order, and repeat. There's something about reversing the note order, plus shifting position, so a different finger has to move and play 2 notes at the end of each iteration, which isn't so common, ditto when it's repeated. It's a bit easier with hammer-on/pull-off moves, but I like to be able to pick, or legato, the same lines by choice, if possible.
Hi David, I love your game, what kind of pick do you use?'Thank you
Hey David! Great video. I have always focused on picking mechanics and have made the decision to really dive into legato in this style this year. I'm really struggling getting clean notes to consistently sound out clean above the 12th fret. Any advice other than to keep practicing at it? Thank you!
Hey thanks! Good luck diving in to the legato world. Clean notes above the 12th fret. Hmm that could be a few things, let's assume that you're guitar is setup and functioning as it should, then I'd maybe think about the way you're holding it or sitting with it. Are you able to maintain (roughly) the same arm/hand position up above the 12th fret as you have at say the 5th fret? Consistency is really quite a big deal for this technique I find. Obviously on a single cut les Paul type guitar you're gonna have issues right up the top because the thumb literally can't get behind the fingers etc. It's one of the reasons I wear my guitar in the 'fusion chin strap' style height performing live! The extra height allows that hand position consistency. Actually, this is a good idea for a video! Thanks again for watching :)
@DavidBeebee great insight thank you. I will look at my hand positioning. My main guitar is a strat with a bulky back plate so my hand kind of defaults to the thumb over blues grip up there. I think the smaller fret spacing and higher string tension up there is less forgiving as well. I don't think it's a set up issue. My action isn't slammed by any means but I don't think it's high. If I'm picking it doesn't feel hard to play. I think I'm playing too hard too because often when I do get a note to sound from a pinky pull off i notice a chirp sometimes. I'm also fully accepting that I have only been focusing on this for 2 months so my finger movement/strength probably isn't there yet. It just feels completely different high on the neck as apposed to the first 12 frets. Thanks again!
Will another promotional coupon for your course be made available soon? Thanks!
Hey nelson, actually I extended the INTERVAL50 one from my previous video for a couple of days. It's valid until the 28th if you want to get in on that, use INTERVAL50. Thanks for the interest! :)
Is there any active promotion code for the course?
@jonghoondiego hey there yes, I’m pretty sure Tom has just launched a promo code on his latest TH-cam video! 👍🏻
@@DavidBeebee thanks just purchased your course!
thanks! @@jonghoondiego
15:28 very dificult for me
Difficult for me too! Lifelong practice 😅
I almost wanna subscribe your channel, it's really cool but too much talk makes me bored...
Anyway..your legato is awesome..
thanks for the kind words and for watching, the level of chat isn't always easy to get. But I thank you for consideration regardless! All the best!