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I wasn’t careful and Tekken 8 was spoiled to me. Asuka Kazama used to be my favorite Tekken character, now I can’t say that I love her as much as I used to. Unorganized ranting and thoughts abound.
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Honestly, I really hate Lili for both making Asuka irrelevant and for humiliating both Laws. Lili/Asuka rivalry is Harada's dogshit attempt to duplicate Karin/Sakura's rivalry from SF. Lili and Asuka don't even develop each other's characters and Lili is an unlikable creep when compared to Karin when you look beyond her pretty face.
All the rivalry does is hold both of them back, at least Asuka is likeable; Lili is just unbearably petty. You could’ve had them start as rivals, then if you roll with Asuka being the lead of Tekken 6, Lili joins her like Alisa does with Lars, then the two later gain a mutual respect and become friends. Ripping off the Sakura/Karin rivalry wholesale would’ve been better than what we got.
Didn’t they make T5-7 one year just to keep them the same age bc Namco hates older women lol
Personally, I kinda enjoy Lili being an asshole and a spoiled brat
The funniest (saddest) part is their beef was never even necessary from the very beginning. Their rivalry archetype had already been done way better by both Nina and Anna before they were even conceptualized. If they wanted to introduce two new schoolgirls they could’ve just done so and made them friends of Xiayou without the pointless decade and a half long catfighting with zero development or nuance in their writing. If a talking bear that knows karate joke character has more plot relevance than one of your essential characters, you know you’ve fucked up.
@@haydenfisher1387Fun fact: Tekken 3 happened about three years ago in Tekken canon.
Tekken 8 feels like it went out of its way to make Asuka as useless of a character as possible.
"She represents the Kazama fighting style." Nope, we have the OG Jun back and playable for that!
"She can give Jin familial support!" Again, Jun, along with Lars, Lee, and to a lesser extent, Reina.
"She gives Lili purpose!" Nope, Lili can exist without Asuka, and she even gets a new frenemy in Azucena.
"She still has the Feng storyline!" Nope, Feng is more focused on Leroy now!
"She fills the hard-hitting tomboy niche!" Nope, now we have Reina for that!
Looking at all this, you have to ask: so, what is it she...does around here?
Both of them together on Lili’s jet not THREE FEET AWAY from each other, and they don’t exchange a single word. But I guess we’re crazy for wanting the story mode to do the bare minimum. Asuka’s role barely amounts to a participation badge.
From the sounds of it... Ticks off a check box.
Remove Asuka and nobody will notice a difference.
This point, mine her popularity; make her a DLC character, especially if she's not integral to the story.
@@asm4991why should they Lily and everyone informed them what Jin was, Asuka was just as confused on what's going on until Lili explained the Kazama family tree and there abilities imagine yourself going back to your ancestors on a modern society that where technology phones stores shops your environment Tell yourself do you really have focus on that spiritually? Ah no
Asuka should unlock her powers and have a rivalry with reina
This would've been cool tbh
A Kazama fighting a child of Heihachi. It could be a good parallel to Jin and Kazuya
It's sad when fans have better concepts than devs 😂
That's what I want
In addition, the 2 look similar, I hope that in T9 there will be a rivalry between Asuka and Reina
The sad thing is, when she first debuted in 5, she actually had a decent and interesting story. She actually had the Kazama purification powers, as seen by her ending in 5, and when they decided to bring back Jun, I had hoped that it meant they were gonna go back to what they had established back then and build on it; making her a crucial part of the Mishima conflict. But no, apparently there's an obscure but big enough subset of people who keep asking for her to get trolled by Lili. And as if that wasn't a hard enough kick in the nuts, they even gave Lili her own character ending that doesn't involve Asuka at all while Asuka had hers stolen by Lili. As an Asuka main, I'm beginning to wonder why she's even in the game.
Nuh but the ending for her was really upsetting like remember when It was lili that was the one following her around now ot like the roles been reversed
All the ugly part started during all the stuffs that happened in Tekken 6, a bridge gapped between Tekken 5 to Tekken 8 that could been easily fixed. Even KoF’s plot is more respectable for a lot of Jobbers right off and bat.
Consider that Asuka and Feng feature pretty heavily in 5's opening, like that was going to be a b-plot, but they don't even canonically fight in that tournament. She's been wasted potential from the start.
@@morbid333isn't it still canon that Feng beat Asuka's dad and destroyed her dojo?
@@irasac1 the setup is, but I don't think they ever did anything with it. I guess that could be said for most minor character rivalries though, except maybe Paul and Kuma
Askua is like Tenten from Naruto the writer didn’t give her any chance to shine and this is sad
As someone who liked Tenten, this is so true it hurts.
And just like Naruto and Ten Ten, Jin and Askua never converse even once!
Ten Ten is amazing in the games (Naruto narutimatte hero/accel/storm)
@@asm4991As someone who likes both Asuka & Tenten...I feel your pain.
@@lyokian thank you I never thought I will meet people who love Tenten always makes fun of her
"All Asuka seems to be good for is sex appeal and yuri bait."
Considering that she's THE most lewded Tekken character out there, you could tell me this is the main reason she keeps getting included in the games and I would believe it.
tekken loves Lili x Asuka queer bait that will never happen
Also, isn't Asuka underage? Not that I'm suprised that the most anime fighting game's fanbase decides to lewd the minor but still.
@@nevenpatrk9661As of Tekken 8 she’s 18. When she appeared in Tekken 5 she was 17
@calebterry8747 I do know that know but it still sounds like this has been a common sentiment about her and that's what makes it weird.
@@nevenpatrk9661 Never been underage ... in the UK. :3
Asuka imo is one of the biggest waste of potential in the series. I wouldn't have mind if she had a rivalry with Lili, but the issue is she's connected to the hip to her now that she (Lili) completely overshadows her. Now if it were me this is what I would've done. Firstly instead of Lili, I would've had Asuka defeat Lili, but she would also meet Xiaoyu around Tekken 5. The two would fight due to some kind of misunderstanding, but ultimately the two would befriend one another.
Come Tekken 6, she and Xiaoyu team up in order to try and stop Jin. During their time, the two encounter Zafina, who notes that Asuka has hidden powers dormant inside of her, confusing the girl, but before she can inquire more, Zafina leaves, promising that they'll meet again. It is not too long afterwards that the two would encounter Devil Jin. Despite the number advantage, Devil Jin defeats both girls, (mainly because Asuka was trying to protect Xiaoyu, who couldn't bring herself to fight Jin). The two survive, (thanks to Asuka's powers emerging causing Devil Jin to flee) but they are too badly injured and are force to leave the tournament. As the two recover, Asuka takes time to learn about her bloodline, and learns more about her aunt Jun from her father.
Meanwhile come Tekken 7 the two girls enter the tournament together, but ultimately end up going their separate paths, as Asuka encounters Feng Wei. The two would fight, but b/c Asuka is driven by anger, Feng Wei easily takes advantage causing her to lose. She is ultimately saved by Leroy, who happens to be an old acquaintance of Xiaoyu back when she was little. She becomes disheartened, but Leroy gives her a pep talk in regards to fighting with heart. The two spar in which Asuka defeats Leroy, regaining her fighting spirit in the process. Afterwards they encounter Xiaoyu who is with Claudio and Zafina.
Come Tekken 8 the story more or less goes the same except in the coliseum, Asuka would also be one of the combatants to fight Kazuya in an attempt to protect Zafina. It is here we see a glimpse of her power once again as it was affecting Kazuya, but because she doesn't know how to fully harness it, she's defeated. Ultimately Kazuya absorbs Azazel, causing Asuka to go with Jin and Xiaoyu to Yukushima. As Jin and Xiaoyu leave together, she ends up with Lili, but splits off upon feeling herself being called somewhere deep within Yakushima. She soon comes across an old abandoned area within a cave, inside seems to be an ancient altar of some kind. It is here where Asuka encounters Jun Kazama.
She inquires about her whereabouts and everything pertaining to her powers. It is here Jun helps her harness her Kazama powers. Just as that is done, Asuka gets a call from Lili, informing her about Xiaoyu's predicament with the Jack units, but the call is cut off. Asuka immediately makes her way over to help, but ends up encountering Feng Wei (who is working under Kazuya), who is holding an unconscious Lili by the neck. Initially fueled with anger, Asuka takes a minute to regather herself as she prepares to fight Feng Wei. With a sound mind, she is able to defeat Feng before checking on Lili, who tells her to go on and help Xiaoyu.
When she arrives Xiaoyu, has seen better days but is glad to see her best friend. Rejuvenated, the two manage to fight off the remaining Jack units alongside Lars, who arrived to help. They are soon met with Mega Devil Kazuya, and proceed to fight. Kazuya makes quick work of the three, but finds him hit with nostalgia upon seeing Asuka and her persistence as it reminded him of Jun. The two fight again, but Asuka's Kazama powers manage to slow Kazuya down, long enough for Jin to arrive and take over. She tells Jin not to lose or she'd kick his ass in which Jin gives her a nod before confronting Kazuya. During the end, we see Asuka back at her dojo meditating as reflects back to her encounter with Jun, who before leaving promises to meet her again. Her concentration ends up being broken when she sees both Lili and Xiaoyu (with Panda) having come to visit, as the three girls leave together.
This is what I would've done with Asuka. Give her enough relevance in the story while expanding her character. Sorry for the long essay.
Namco, hire this person, please and thank you.
@@asm4991 Namco is too dumb to do that. They even fired the story writer for T4 which to date is the best writing this series have.
@@suiken3149Because 4 was one of the lowest selling games. Almost killed the franchise. As the games after sold much more. So firing him worked.
@@resolvedfate1295 Because its the writer's fault the mechanics are clanky in 4. Nice logic. No wonder why FG community isnt going anywhere.
@@suiken3149 A lot of fans did not like the grounded approach either. So it was a mix of the writing and the mechanics. As it was nothing like Tekken 3. Then they went back to those ways in 5. And that sold way more.
I'm so upset that they gave Lili an ending that didn't have Asuka in it, but Asuka had to be forced to be with Lili. Because Lili is now such a popular character, that she is allowed to have things going on outside of Asuka. But Asuka is still forced to exist only for Lili. It's so sad.
Also, they couldn't replace Azucena with Asuka because all the fights are based on regions. Jin is the only representation for eastern Asia in the tournement. That's why Asuka and Hwoarang is sitting by the sidelines.
That's also the reason why Shaheen is in the game, despite having nothing else happening in the story. Because they needed someone to represent the middle east.
Yeah, I’m very disappointed in the endings. All of them were either a repeat or shallow jokes
Idk some endings reveal some shit about the characters real intentions and thoughts... Now we know Kazuya ACTUALLY liked Jun. Reina dosent want to do evil shit, just run Mishima Zaibatsu
Or both, lol
@@kyps1259 Thank God, I hated the idea that it was ever thought that he would/did R her 😅
The endings were What if there NOT even Canon
@@shenelljohnson74 Yes and I’m saying that’s lame
Reina COMPLETELY replaced Asuka in the story when it comes to Mishima lady relatives for Jin (besides Jun)
Mishimas are like saiyans in Dragon Ball or Skywalkers in Star Wars, no one else is important but them.
@@CidGuerreiro1234
Is that really the case?
@@CidGuerreiro1234If you follow the story about them obviously their bosses before they was even born they were born with abilities that it could scare people in the entire planet now there's other fighters that can rival them but the Mishimas are on a different level is what there saying but if you write them off as just a normal family alot of fans and the writing gonna be boring or just another stupid trope bad guy just the rest of them and it's gonna be very disappointing
I thought they would make Azucena take Asuka's spot as Lili's rival in this game so that Asuka could have a greater focus in the Kazama plot. The Azucena part somewhat happened but they just ignored Asuka as a character in story mode.
As someone who has mained Jun & Asuka the most over games, the Yakushima part was a wasted plotential for Asuka. She should have been there with Xiayou.
At the same time, since Jun is alive, there is potential she will learn more about the Kazama style. So I’m hopeful.
I’m hopeful for Asuka’s future, as a Jun main. One day she will get a deeper role in the story. One day… Hopefully via story DLC (please, Harada 🤞🏽)!
Man, the copium from Asuka fans is unbelievable
:'(
Well, uh... in the very least, she defeated Jack 8 and had a 'No Shit, Sherlock' moment with Hwoarang. I find those little details kinda cool.
But like many Asuka fans, I'm STILL disappointed that the Tekken writers never did anything with her. She could have had more growth and even a new character arc with Jun. I think it was a perfect opportunity for Jun to take in Asuka as her pupil, and teach her more about the spiritual aspects of the Kazama martial arts.
On the other hand, Reina is now in the picture. And she's literally the center of attention now.
Would have been better than what we got, even just some dialogue between her and Jin on Lili’s jet, but nope. Why even make her a Kazama in the first place? Bare minimum and that’s apparently expecting too much.
I guess it's to be expected. This is the same thing that happened to Paul and Law nearly 20 years ago...
Even though she defeated Jack 8, let's not forget that Jack was weakened in her fight against Alisa and Asuka took the robot 🤖 by surprise with Lili for me even Jack 8 has more to shine in the main storyline even though it's an antagonist
defeating one Jack is not relevant Kazuya and the now normal human Heihachi defeated a whole squadron of em I think Harada just has preference for edgy Muscle men being center stage in conflicts.
It should've been Asuka who defeated Jin in Tekken 6 Lars stealing that from her is really Egregious we only needed Heihachi Kazuya and Jin as Mishima's poor Harada thinks they're Saiyan's.
What are you talking about they don't even know each other Jun was missing for year's Jun kazama is a heavily spiritual woman while the other grew up with modern society one's live in a big city one live in the middle of the forest they're the complete opposite What are you talking about?
Not to mention that Asuka's "rivalry" with Feng Wei went absolutely nowhere. Rip
The most we got was the intro when it's her vs Feng and the latter doesn't even say anything.
Asuka probably got over it unironically by getting busy with Lili XD
Are you guys stupid What she going to do to him wow a teenage tomboy gonna stop a a guy that takes his training extremely seriously that he actually marinate into it while a teenage female are studying going to school and stopping violence in Japan gang violence for that matter wow you guys are so bad by writing your characters
I'm disappointed but I'm not giving up hope for my girl. Naive I know but I really want to make her relevant. Her tekken 5 ending is still her best and I really want to do something with this. Maybe explore her relationship with Jun. See her father. Something. For me she should had heen rivals with Xiaoyu, because
1)Xiaoyu doesn't have a rival (how is that possible?)
2)Xiayou wants to save Jin while Asuka want to kick his ass for ruinning the Kazama name by starting World War 3
3) Their interactions and arguments about Jin if you could be redeem they could have been really interesting but this goes to a what if scenario. Lili doesn't do anything for Asuka in plot relevancy. Is just filler. I really hope they would cook with her in the future. THE POTENTIAL IS RIGHT THERE!!!
Yes! Yes! Yes! Great point! I would love to see their rivalry!!!
I'm on Asuka side. Don't get Xiaoyu simping for Jin😣
Look how they massacred my girl.
Asuka deserved better than this.
They didn't You guys just doesn't do research that's why
Asuka wouldn't necessarily have to just be an ideal "Kazama " into the story. I don't mind the Lily rivalry. But they could've at LEAST had her do something in regards to the Mishima bloodline feud ever since her Tekken 5 debut. Aside from the last name, she is no Kazama. Hell, Reina is a better example of what Asuka could've been. I feel this same way about the long forgotten Steve and Nina plot.
That also irritated me, Chapter 10 of this game ESPECIALLY had tons of wasted opportunities.
@@SonicMegaKingIf they don’t care about the story mode, then they shouldn’t bother making and marketing it. Simple as.
@@asm4991 exactly
@SonicMegaKing DOA would definitely fit into that category. Although I do dislike how only the Mishima's are important in the story now. So many good stories others in the franchise have that have been completely forgotten about pretty much
I like to think the Tekken team ditched the Steve/Nina plot to make people not think of Nina as being a mother.
Mother = old, over 30 and therefore not cool ... or something.
The "is she real or not" aspect of Jun seems to be them floating around this issue with Jun too.
Look at Soul Calibur, replaced Taki in 5 since she would be older then with Ivy's aging stopping at 32 (soul edge reasons).
Tekken team want Nina to stay "popular" despite the fact I rarely see anyone actually like her, me and others all seem to like Anna far more!
Asuka has no respect at all, she had so much potential but nope, she has the purification power, and nothing is done with it at all, every time she's on screen, it's just that damn Lili rivalry every time, what's the point of her even being a Kazama at this point, I'm pretty sure Namco just hates her
It really is funny because this game establishes that Yakushima is the home island of the main branch of the Kazama family, meaning Asuka’s just part of a side branch (explains her lack of relevance so far) and this story of Jin going back to his family roots to find himself and unlock a newfound power really COULD have been a perfect opportunity to involve Asuka too having her learn more about their family roots along side him. But they really just do nothing with that and have Jin just go through a quick dream sequence while the rest of the cast do all the fighting til the very end.
And the fact that they have that little joke about Hwoarang being confused about Asuka’s relationship to Jin and again they do nothing with that lol
Really makes it feel like the writers just find the whole situation of Asuka’s diminishing relevance to the story funny and they’re purposefully leaning into it.
Me finding humor in that myself is MY personal reason for liking Asuka as a character at this point lol
Reina came and took everything from Asuka💀 Her style, her story importance, her familial ties with the main cast, and her popularity.
Reina was been popular due to her design, her Mishimas bloodline and the Devil gene gave her a bonus, If you paid attention in TK 7 storyline about the Mishimas you understand why Reina can keep up with the Mishimas funny thing is you guys never acknowledge doing jun kazama being the kazama that she is but the thing is her bloodline isn't the exact same thing like the Mishimas but she never caught up with kazuya lol
@@shenelljohnson74 this has little to do with anything said in their comment.
@@fightingmedialounge519 wdym?
@@shenelljohnson74 i mean what you wrote has little to do with what wombo wrote
@@fightingmedialounge519 oh yeah that was bonus I get what they're saying they're saying that instead of Reina getting screen time it should be Asuka but there's nothing interesting about her other than to be a kazama but without Mishima Jin won't be in the picture either lol
What's worse is that we are given another out-of-the-blue Heihachi child (it took me a loong time to get used to Lars). Asuka could've filled a possible role that Reina is taking with a delightful twist.
omg yes
Asuka lost her Best Girl status to Reina 😅
Asuka: Who are you?
Reina: I’m you, but actually important.
@@asm4991 damn, that really sucks to think about it
Asuka: 😢😭
@@asm4991heck despite her being new, she literally walks alongside the other main characters in the coliseum when facing devil kazuya while asuka was literally dragged away from the conflict. Like wow Asuka seems to get shafted a lot.
I've noticed that, Reina looks awesome and yeah she's hot.
But man it's like they put everything plotwise for Asuka (and even design cues) into her.
I do hope Reina will become Asuka's true rival, but I seriously doubt the competence of the Tekken teams script writing.
@@asm4991You haven't even followed a story on what's Asuka goal is What you failed to understand and what you have done Asuka was supposed to be a character If you actually researched it what you didn't was supposed to attract the Japanese audience, her environment is what caused her to be this way she's not heavenly spiritual just like Jun kazama not at all they're the complete opposite which you fail to understand for this character
Bro, you put all my thoughts and frustrations into words in this video. Asuka is still my favorite character, but man the missed potential is baffling. I’ll still enjoy playing her in T8 even with all the nerfs, hopefully they’ll at least buff her a bit in the next updates.
Yeah i was thinking this Asuka is a big waste of potential. It hurts me because i really like her. Also even Lili has permission to have relationship with the other characters as we can see in many of the endings of the game, now Asuka can't never have a proper spotlight without Lili being involved.
Is just sad at this point
I too had similar hopes when it seemed like Tekken 8 would finally give her the chance to be an important piece in the actual story of the Mishima feud.
While I’m not as upset as you (and I imagine, many others), it still pains me that even her damn last name doesn’t even register as something to note in any way (other than a throwaway line by Hworang).
Though I am a little happy they bothered to involve her at all, it doesn’t make up for the _decade_ of wasted potential.
Its easy Harada doesn't see Asuka potential she could be a better exorcist than Claudio
"So this Jun lady is Jin's mom?"
I spat out my drink laughing when I heard Asuka say that. Xiaoyu contributed more to the story as Jin's love interest than someone who shares the same last name as him.
Ok so hear me out
I think that if Asuka were more involved in T8, we wouldn't have the story as it is now; Jin wouldn't be the protagonist going on a journey of self-realization to fight his old man. It would be "oh hey Asuka somehow you're suppressing the Devil Gene, help me kick my old man into dust" and Jin would still be suicidal, among other things. It sucks, but T9 Asuka v Reina is now my copium. The men of the family have had their story threads resolved, now it's her turn.
to add: literally her actual twitter profile responds to "My only complaint was I wish Asuka did more but it's an amazing cap off for Jin and Kazuya! The final fight was probably my favorite in a fighting game story mode" with "Game would've ended too soon. My bad."
I’ll have what you’re having.
@@lg6884 it's pure 100% copium
@@recht181 I mean, even with her help she and jin wouldn't be powerful enough to stop kazuya, so that reasoning doesn't really work.
Damn. Asuka just got overshadowed by her rival and Asuka came out before Lili did.
And now, Reina is here. The Juri to Asuka's Chun Li and Reina is more plot relevant than her.
I was genuinely surprised that Lili, of all people, got to join the semi finals and not Asuka. Lili has so much going for her (plotwise) compared to Asuka. Lili has connections to Eliza, Leroy, Azusena, Xiaoyu, and even Jin! 😂 Damn! When she offered her Jet to Jin, i was thinking "ok. Maybe this is how Asuka and Jin connect to Jun by going to the Kasama tree thing". NOPE! She peaces out to join the war plot. She didnt even get a chance to "avenge her father" by defeating Feng Wei.
Truly devastating. A waste of a good plot and a good character.
I hated how Asuka and Jin's familial ties were ripe and ready to be addressed and they fumbled with the ball. It's like the writers are taunting us.
For context, Asuka (and Lili) made their debut in Tekken 5. I was in elementary school when that game released, I’m now damn near 30 years of age. I think I’ll finally be putting Asuka down for now. I know it seems a bit melodramatic, but I think this is the first time ever for me that I genuinely feel like I’ve outgrown a favorite character. There’s something so heartbreaking about the absolute mindfuck of existential realization that your go-to character means jack-squat to the person who created them. Fans of Asuka have only speculated and remained in the dark about worst case scenarios in the past, but Tekken 8 finally confirmed it and gave us all the closure most of us needed to move tf on. Coupled with the fact that her gameplay feels weird and oddly outdated…A catty schoolgirl rivalry isn’t going to entertain me forever if that’s all they have to offer narratively. She’s just so hollow, the character literally feels dead. You could replace her with any other character and nothing in the overall story would really change. She’s just-…there, like a ghost; even more so now that Jun, an ACTUAL ghost, has returned to the mainline games. Asuka’s unimportance and shallowness could not be more poetic, but maybe that’s just me over-exaggerating (it isn’t).
This comment kinda made me sad. I was also hoping that Asuka's potential wouldn't be wasted this time around, but the fact that Lili (the very character who started this rivalry) had her own ending made it clear that Harada doesn't really care. I don't really want her in the main story, but I did want her to have a solo ending of sorts (stopping fights, stopping Feng Wei, etc) at the very least. So I find this quite depressing.
Sorry for the pointless long reply/rant.
@@Not_Actually_Smiling_IRL
It’s the same thing with Asuka every game.
_“Oh no, who trashed my dojo?”_
_“I need money for my dojo!”_
_“What, you’re buying my dojo?”_
_“You trashed my dojo again you b-baka!”_
Like bro, we’re tired lmao. Keep in mind we’ve never seen the inside of Asuka’s dojo ONCE or gotten to see what it’s like in there, who the residents are, what fighters attend, who she’s teaching the Kazama style to, etc. Just little things that would do so much to actually add to her motives for fighting and flesh her out as a character a little. It took Jin’s mother *COMING BACK FROM THE DEAD* for him to relearn Kazama Style Karate when Asuka could’ve just taught it to him or at least helped in some way. Opportunities like that get overlooked while Lili is just out here buying private jets for the team and actually engaging with the main protagonists or progressing the story forward in meaningful ways, even if it’s small.
@@professoremil This. Everything you've said is what I've been thinking for about a while now. NOTHING about Asuka's daily life seems to be the main focus in her endings, not even her dojo, which I'm convinced is only mentioned just so Lili can find ways to get involved with Asuka's life. And as mentioned before, Lili actually had a role in the main story, and an ending outside of this rivalry.
It kinda makes me wonder if Harada keeps Asuka around solely for the... that her shallow rivalry with Lili brings (which I find very weird).
Sorry for the late reply!
Whoops, meant to write "attention" before the "that her shallow rivalry with Lili brings" (can't seem to edit the comment for some reason).
Sorry for the late edit!
As many people have pointed out before Asuka vs Lili is just basically a bootled version of Sakura vs Karin.
Harada really is a hack at writing.
Been waiting on someone to speak on this. Was severely disappointed seeing how she got treated in Tekken 8
Asuka: Lili, I have no character arc :(
Lili: MMMMMMM, I AM YOUR CHARACTER ARC!!!!!
HA! Oneyplays reference!
Right now I'm fully convinced Lili is fully committed into actually sabotaging Asuka's life. She knows all about the Kazama family and is keeping Asuka from all that and now she is mingling with the only person who has defeated her sworn enemy and thus keeping him from teaching her how to defeat him. The only thing left is Lili actually defeating Feng Wei herself.
Shes my favorite character for all the reasons, but I agree. There's so much that hasn't been answered since 2007, a morsel of a taste of progression would have been satisfying.
Not only is her character wasted, almost ALL the other characters are wasted
I feel Like not only Reina is there in Tekken 8 due to the main story and a new character, but is mostly saying a new tomboy as a way go replace Asuka since she's most likely irrelevant at this point
The worst part is that, apart from Jun and Reina's inclusions, Jin, in story, now retains the Kazama style again and took almost Asuka's ENTIRE moveset.
Been maining Asuka and Lei for many years so Harada became my sworn enemy long time ago. One day I'll throw him off the cliff...
This. This said everything that needed to be said. You know what, yes I still do love her as much as before.
Yes this is the exact problem I have with asuka. I main her and I like her but I hate how irrelevant she is in the story. They don’t doing anything with her being a kazama. Wasted potential.
And her whole beef with Feng is completely forgotten. Now Feng is always just a one dimensional, power-hungry villain, and Asuka is left completely irrelevant
I will still love Asuka for the shallow reasons and also the fact she got done so dirty in The series and I feel sorry for her so I’ll support her until the Writers do something.
me after seeing Asuka's development:
BOO/HISS!!
the development can just remove her if they dont want to give her a big role.
To add insult to injury, Reina is effectively *everything* we thought or at least wanted Asuka to be:
She has a complicated relation to Jin, she’s his aunt and younger than him. Whilst Harada said Jin and Asuka’s relations was more complicated than cousins.
Both have an unusual connection to Jin’s power, one having a non-canon Angel/cleansing power of the Kazamas and the other canonically having a Devil form found in Mishima blood.
Both are high schoolers, with Reina literally going to the same one as Jin. (Despite Jin being like 22 by the time of Tekken 8.)
Hell they even look visually similar, especially in the face. When I first saw Reina I genuinely thought she was like a punk clone of Asuka, before finding out Heihachi just pulled an Old Man Jostar.
And if all that wasn’t enough, Reina seems like she has a thing for Jin. (Or at least the writers supplied enough ammo for the degenerates between their unique dialogue and her ending…)
Reina is like Harada said “What if we make Asuka relevant, but now she’s a Mishima instead of a Kazama?”
With what little knowledge I have of her, (I main Xiaoyu and Alisa for obvious reasons) I personally think the only way to redeem and progress her character is if she were to be Jin and Xiaoyu's offspring/s' master if they're aiming for a next generation thing with the next game. I personally would like it if the offspring/s' admire Jin and Xiaoyu so much as they have a perfect blend of their moveset as their moveset. Asuka would only be there to hone it and guide them on their chosen path. Wouldn't even mind it if they were to get her accent, due to how frequent they will possibly be with her. 🧐 Considering how she finally got her familiy dojo at the end, this is the only way I can see them redeeming her character. I quite like her mainly because of the accent, but yeah. Her character is overall disappointing considering how little involvement she has with Jin. HER FRICKING COUSIN, for god's sake!
I feel you, man. Asuka has been my main for over 15 years since I played her in the PS3 version of Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection Online. But, it is tiring to see your favorite character's potential be wasted for 3 mainline games. I don't even hate Lili but her introduction pretty much spelled the doom for Asuka's character.
It's a shame how Asuka has been nothing but an accessory for Lili, and her last bit of story relevance was her Tekken 5 ending
They could've played into her being a Kazama, but no, she's just around to make Lili look good and as a beginner level moveset
this video
just this
is exactly how I feel about Asuka in Tekken 8
I still love her and she's right under Jin for my fav fighting game characters, but man it feels like Lili paid the writers to take out Asuka's screentime and replace them with her own
I been saying this for years but Tekken needs to make a series and give every character a episode because they will never flush out a character fully because I do like asuka her story just feels blank like we know her and Jin are cousins but somehow asuka don’t know Jin&jun are related to her.
harada saw a tweet accusing him of hating asuka and wrote so many paragraphes as a response that made me go "i aint reading all that" he just tries to save his ass and be like "bro i promise we care so much" but he doesnt, never did
Yeah, I agree. As a former Asuka fan, I told myself "what did you expect?" The characters stopped evolving since Tekken 6. As much as I enjoy the gameplay, story wise it´s embarrassing how flat and one dimensional most of them are (except when get a total story retcon like Heihachi in Tekken 7). It all feels like written for children, but also having fan service for people who played it since 1994. Asuka´s treatment in the story was bad, but it could have been worse. Just look at Law and Feng for example. Even Reina, who was hyped up to be this new dangerous Mishima is nothing more than a sequel bait. I´m just waiting for how they´ll screw Eddy over this time when he comes out.
Better be careful, some brainlet will come along saying, “story doesn’t matter,” when they marketed the story in the advertising heavily. The amount of people that are so against others wanting the narrative to try is insane. They’re not asking for Tekken’s story to be Shakespearean, they just want it to be good.
@@asm4991 Yes, I should stress out that I am absolutely for fighting games having a story or other kinds of single player offerings. But for fs sake developers, try to take your characters at least half as seriously as we do. There is a reason why people love them and been following their story for years. Sure, if you really need to, have some goofy moments in your world at war-patricide-revenge-demon-battle drama as well, but don´t look like you´re taking the piss out of every single character ending. As for the main plot, take a shot every time someone tells Jin how important he is or calls him a shinning hope for humanity or something. Major story characters "die" and the cast forgets their existence within 5 seconds. And Spoilers, Jin in his Saint Seiya cosplay goes full "I´ll protect what´s precious to me, and pave the way to our future" power of friendship, just to top is off. In the end barely anything is accomplished. Sure, Jin mashed X to believe in his heart, not deny his past, not deny his comrades and bonds and not deny his existence, and the devil gene was purified, but he only KOd Kazuya, left him unconscious and immediately went on a joyride with Xiayou. At least Tekken 7 had the balls to kill of Heihachi. Now we can expect the same stale conflicts in T9, if we even live that long.
@@asm4991I always hated that defence "Story doesn't matter in fighting games" Its like they are trying to turn blindeye to writers making the most lazy, garbage storylines. Story does matter in fighting games. I always loved Tekken lore as a kid even if the story went batshit insane later on.
As much as i am a lili main on my channel and that im happy lili had more presence than i expected in the story i do feel bad for asuka. I was hoping in the tekken 5 ending with her kazama purification power and somehow use it in tekken 8 but nope :/
Should have been an alternate story and would been connected with jins family as a lost cousin or lost sister. Now, im not impress. Uuuuuggggghhhhhhhh.
Asuka, is my favorite too, and i am hoping that she's involved in the upcoming extended story dlc. i hoep it's not gonna be just based on eddy and lidia.
tomboy in japanese videogames and anime: generic girl with short hair
tomboy in western animation and games: vi (arcane), toph, nimona and márceline *iconic characters*
As a lili main , i too am upset with what we got for Asuka. She has so much potential for the story yet they wasted it. There are other characters like Azucena , Eliza , or even leroy but i still dont get why they are still stitching asuka to Lili everywhere. It's good that they are friends now but come on , give us some good main story relevance for Asuka. Getting tired of seeing this rivalry since the last 17 years. And what the heck happened to Asuka and Feng's rivalry ? They could've done that for Asuka's ending , so tired of seeing only Lili who has relation with Asuka.
Leroy basically became Feng's rival and to be honest it feels more natural and dynamic with both having opposing views. Whatever rivalry Asuka with Feng has been gone for a long time.
I find it extremely stupid when they turned Asuka into Lili's catfight rival when Asuka was supposed to be hunting down Feng Wei since Tekken 5!
litterally the whole tekken cast became a joke for the main story
I've been a paul fan and i love how they made him a big deal in t4 of him winning tekken 3 before ogre transforms, to being sad over how he let himself go to an absolute joke character in tekken 5
Asuka is my favorite heroine. I love her fiercy tomboyish personality and kind pure heart. I hate what devs did to her! She had sooooo much potential that was wasted! I was so furious with her ending in t7, but t8 I give up on her. I'm a girl and Asuka meant for me as a role model: don't give up, be kind and just, don't be afraid to stand against your family member (Jin Kazama). Yes, I also think she and Jin could have great chemistry as cousins or siblings (I ship them deep in my heart, in better universe they wouldn't be relatives but best couple). Devs don't care about her and I have to leave her.
There is also a game for pachislot I guess where Jin saves Asuka from Kazuya! Kazuya tried to kill Asuka because of her relations to Jun Kazama but Jin saves the day giving up for revenge! When I saw it my awe was huge! In this game Jin and Asuka not only interact but also in action together! That was amazing even though Asuka had to be damsel in distress in that scene.
Yea it feels like they are ruining her on purpose at this point. Always was a fan but never got super into her till 8 dropped. Tried her fell in love and redid her story beats in past games and 8.
She has so much potential, lore and personality wise. Lili being linked to her ruined her potential. They can be rivals and not treat her like a comedy act. She could learn more about her family history at some point. Since Jin and Kazuya have no powers anymore.
I would love if Asuka was the hope against Reina in the future games. Two female protagonists and give both especially Asuka which is needed hype and blow up for her character.
Asuka my favorite. You can like a character without them being as important as jin or lars. Plenty other characters like paul dont plsy major roles in story and odfer side story snd dun moments.
But Paul has been getting more serious roles. The comics and anime brought back his rivalry with Kazuya and he even acts as a mentor to jin in the tekken 3 anime. Hinestly Paul at least retains sime dignity in tekken but asuka does not have that luxury.
You think its bad with Asuka?
Try being a Law fan.
Law is treated like absolutely garbage.
It's not even funny, just mean spirited.
Ah yes, one of Tekken’s most enduring legacy characters and he dies in his own ending. And gets humiliated in another three or four. Doesn’t even pass the qualifier round in story mode and only joins G-Corp because, “where’s my money, Paul?”
@@asm4991 It's fucking embarrassing...
Not only that but his entire character is reduced to "rich people bad".
It's fucking inexcusable how legacy characters are treated.
as an asuka bro, subscribed
Ms. oui oui baguette just needs to leave & asuka will be ok lol. Lili's influence is too strong
Me personally I wouldn't even mind if they ignored her story but kept her gameplay fine. Asuka got many nerfs with each iteration of the beta's up to the official release so the character we finally get is overall weaker than she was in T7. Ony reason I can think to nerf a character that's typically low or mid-tier, is to make JUN stand out even more which is just sad. I won't give up playing her because I'm character loyalist, but Namco is doing Asuka fans SO dirty and it hurts.
-No story relevance
-No interractions with Jin
-Stuck in rivalry prison
-Set up that goes nowhere
-Weaker than she was in previous games
I’d just axe her at this point
@@asm4991I agree in cutting asuka character in future tekken, Jun is back and asuka story is going nowhere.
Asuka is my favorites fighting hame female character of all times i wish she has more relevant at least a small amount of importance instead of being a foot note for lili
They had amazing potential but fans couldnt let Jun go )
Her character already become irrevalent after T5
Asuka's my main besides nina and i wish there was more on both. Honestly the fact that the only reason Asuka was probably in the story at all was because lili dragged her onto her plane.
I guess her being somewhat friends with Lili is something even if it seems forced. Lili isn't as stalkerish in 8
All facts couldn't agree more W rant
I really thought she was gonna have a big role when i saw her in tekken 5 since she is a Kazama. She is still my main until now but keep in mind, my last game was 6 and i jumped straight to 8 and skipped the recap of 7.
I knew I wasn’t the only one pissed with this major pothole between asuka and Jin I finally thought something was gonna be addressed in the jet but no nothing it is as if harrada is saving something for the next game hopefully but probably getting trolled 🤣
I don't claim to be a Tekken fan (mainly because I never played the series myself).
Regardless, Asuka's design is adorable (not sure if this constitutes as a shallow reason?).
If it makes you feel better, I dislike that Kano ends up being a Kameo in MK1 while lacking a mustache.
I mean if you’ve never played the series or have knowledge of it, then you can really only judge the characters at surface level unless you do some digging or play the games. I don’t hold first impression of characters against people. The reasons I like a character may be different from yours, regardless of what I may think as a shallow reason or not, what matters is if you like the character. As I said, I can’t control what you think.
Kano has been clean shaven before, but his MK1 model somehow looks uncanny to me. Maybe I’ve gotten so used to seeing him with a beard.
Asuka is Basically Sakura from SF😂
More like Sakura from Naruto given how useless she is
@@thicczagoonLol🤣!Burrrrrnnnn!!
@@thicczagoon I agree Sakura from naruto is deuteragonist to a side characters
facts 😂
Haven't played it yet but apparently the story is still the same Mishima circlejerk that never really goes anywhere? 'Cause that wouldn't surprise me one bit.
Ya as soon as she was announced I was like. Why tho she was designed to use Juns moveset and she’s back now.
Jin be meatriding on Reina's Mishima style, getting all wide-eyed and shit. But said nothing about Asuka having the same moveset as his mom's.
Ive never found any of the character endings that great so if they ever get rid of them i won't complain.....ive also only played 3 of the games lol
Lili needs to stop being Majima Everywhere to her and start sharing each others hobbies with Asuka or something, maybe even team up and fight Reina cause she's ruining the reputation of Lili's father or the Kazama family.
At least make Asuka visit at Jin's place "I'll show you the true Kazama style"
Bro... I'm wondering when you're going to make that Asuka fanfiction...
I hate how Tekken did Asuka and I don't think she will ever have a good role. but after playing with her (pause) for over 15 years, she will forever be my favorite character.
This video is hilarious because everything you said is on point 😂😂😂
not familiar with Tekken but a friend said he didn't like this version/release (tho he didn't tell why) but seeing your video, I can see why some might not like it
I understand the feeling when they mess up the writing/characterization of a favorite character (me with Denji and the Chainsaw man tourists), its frustrating and how much more if it's the creator/s of that character
So much potential utterly wasted. And Asuka isn’t the only character this happens to.
I mean I was agreeing with your video on Asuka but talking shit about Lars? Nah that’s an L there. Show some respect to the underrated MVP! My man is a REAL hero with a good heart!
Tekken team added Asuka because she's quite famous with JP players I heard. She has no reason to exist in the current Tekken. If you play the story campaign and remove Asuka, nothing of value is lost since Lili seems to have a new Peruvian rival now.
I am actually sad more than disappointed and angry. Her character arc is dumb, her gameplay is weak and after Tekken 8, I've come to conclusion that nothing important is gonna happen to her. Should they decide to pull the rip cord and do it in Tekken 9, its already too late since the story is probably not going to focus on Jin anymore.
My problem with Tekken 8 so far was the plot wasn’t distributed equally very well and it felt too rushed. We all get it that the rivalry between Mishima is about to end on this same installment but for crying out loud the suspense of the plot just killer off quicker than Warcrat III’s storymode! And that’s my problem With Asuka Kazama, I WAS expecting her to at least do something or at least become a Frodo moment for Jin Kazama, but nope she just acted like Harada made her into a useless NPC. She’s just there to act like a bodyguard as Lili’s rival lackie. And all that beautiful ideal storyline is only seen in the Pachinko Slot machine! Jin rescued Asuka there for once and it didn’t happened neither here. She’s totally wasted.
I love her move set and how easy she is to play, the yuri bait is just so forced and pretty creepy from Lilli's part (which mind you they have started insinuating with Asuka's own dialogue in her T8 ending so thats fabulous....not), her debut in T5 made her look cool, sophisticated but not a clone of Jun with her personality being brash ect and she just had so much story/lore potential
Her story arc in 6 could have made her a great foil to Jin and his war goals, heck she could have taken Lars' place and they could have led the story to her Kazama powers awakening and then both teaming up to defeat Azazel if they were going to continue with that route ( i already made this comment before finishing the video lol)
But no, this video just voices my frustration with how they played her dirty in T6-T8
Make Asuka better Namco! It's not too late.
If she was associated with Ridge Racer, that would've been dope! Just imagine...she's better than Jin in racing and he's trying to figure out how she's able to nullify the devil gene and obtain that power for himself
This ability is so impressive that it catches Jun's attention and she's trying to make her the next big peacekeeper and Asuka would be like "nah, imma do my own thing".
Great Internet art I agree but I never really cared for her. I wanted to see Miguel and Julia to make a return. Bruce, maybe even the return of combot only that he can only fighting styles of characters that are deceased or not present in the current game. And where's angel and lei? Also shouldn't there been an option to choose sides?
Ok, so I agree, I would’ve loved to see Asuka have some story relevance, have something with her Kazama blood, but Lars isn’t a bad character. He’s a badass
I'm honestly not bothered so much by her and jin specifically not interacting, I don't even mind Lili (maybe it's cuz I play Lili as well as Asuka so I like both characters. Tho I will say it's weird that it hasn't developed like... at all)
I think what's odd is that the feng beef just dissappeared like
Idk, remember how he beat her dad/dojo up in T5 and that was her motivation for joining the iron fist tournament 5 to bring honor back. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that ever got resolved, they have an intro together in T8 but that's it.
Tekken characters that aren't Mishima's/blood related haven't had real depth or stories since 4 so I'm used to it and it doesn't bother me personally
I still love Asuka as she was the first character I ever picked up in Tekken cuz I started with 5 and got into it with 6
Fun playstyle, fun personality, good design. I couldn't ask for much more.
That said, pls Harada give us back her T5 outfit it's my fave look for her and say what you will about that but it fits her tomboy nature to me.
If they’re ever gonna add STORY DLC, I can only copium that Asuka will be given *something* with substance and not just more nonsense. Have her get more tuned into her heritage, or even have Jin help her ascend to Angel form so she can take the reins for both of their sakes.
Yeah. It's sad at this point. Can't even debate it.
might be a spectacle obsessed baby but I came to this game because I really like the complexity of this fighting game. not even harada will continue to take his narrative seriously, so i'm not sure why I should either
the only thing they gave us about asuka.... is more Asuka x Lily fanservice sh*t
I feel the same way
Last tekken game I played was 7, all the content I was seeing in tekken 8 didn't hype me up one bit. I was more interested in watching someone stream tekken 8 story mode to see what direction they were going to go with the tekken characters but honestly they could done better with the game 😂.
Honestly, the franchise is better off without Asuka