Quick correction-at one point I refer to King's look as that of a leopard, when CLEARLY I should have said jaguar. Whole piece invalidated. Anyway, in all seriousness, thanks for watching-you are all the best.
@@RealmsOfDocumentary yep. The true ending is Jin's ending. But in that ending Kazuya is still alive. Have to wait another 100 years for tekken 9 but can wait 🫶
It's flawed but still a MAJOR step-up from 7, and was still an awesome conclusion to this storyline. My one big problem is that Reina's appearance is going to drag the conflict on even further now when 8 basically gave us the perfect closure: Jin is finally content, found his path and Jun will probably help Kazuya take the first step into changing for the better. Feels like Harada's scared to truly let this family drama go.
I think Reina is interesting as a potential common enemy for the main cast to unite against (like Kazuya in 8, but without his baggage), carrying on Heihachi's wills from past games (4 & 7) & her individual dynamics with the others in this game + into the next game
Harada hinted already that Heihachi has more kids than Kazuya, Lars and Reina so the Mishimas will never really die. Now Reina will revive the Mishima Zaibatsu and the first recruits will probably be Nina and Kuma. And they have to explain how Reina got the Devil Gene maybe he infused her with the blood of Azazel, Jin or Kazuya? And the have to show some flashbacks from Heihachi together with Reina maybe he trains her so they have an excuse to bring back Heihachi in Tekken 9 via Flashbacks😂
I was happy when I saw the devil gene gone…and disappointed to see it come back. I just wanted a simple family drama about a fighting tournament with a bear and a Mexican jaguar wrestler
Bro don't u enjoy tekken series U should be happy that bandai namco knows how to progress the story without making audience bore they know how to utilize all of their characters They're not like crapcom who only knows how to meatride chris fatfield in their games 🤡 and how ruin other characters
I love your point that Tekken games need lore more than they need plot. As a kid, I loved playing through arcade/story mode on each character to see their ending, not knowing which one was canon until the next game released (though after a couple of titles, I figured it was always a Mishima). The ridiculousness of it all was easier to enjoy when it was "here's what might have happened" rather than "here's exactly what happened." But I understand that technology has advanced, video game stories have matured and Tekken's audience has grown older (like me). It's not a criticism. I'm glad the individual character endings are back in 8, that's a nice touch.
Yes but the character episode is not canon anymore since it might give a more in depth character more like xiaoyu and rivalry betweeen feng wei with leroy. But atleast it still hilarious and theres more calling to each character personality than in tekken 7 character episode.
It's a bit of a hot take, I think, but the "Plot" of a fighting game isn't nearly as important as letting the players spend time getting to know the characters. The story is an excuse to bounce your colorful cast of characters off of eachother in interesting ways. It's telling that so many people were going absolutely *wild* over a few text message conversations with Chun-Li or Ryu, or the various character cutscenes with Honda or Zangief. What made old fighting game intros/endings so appealing was that you got to see a little more of your character than just their moves. In my mind, that's where you have to put your focus if you really want a great fighting game "story" mode. All you need for a plot is a thinly veiled excuse to get your characters together and let the characters themselves do the heavy lifting.
You realise that Tekken 8 is a return to what the series used to be in terms of story, right? What you're describing as "mature" and new technology is literally what Tekken 1 was doing back in the 90s lmao.
Back in the day Hasbro had animated shows like GI Joe and Transformers. Because they believed that no fan should leave out their favorite toy, they insisted that they don't focus only on Duke or Optimus Prime. This resulted in series structures that included episodes that centered on the "supporting cast." Years later, the same structure became popular among "Prestige" TV and called mature. And it mainly started as a marketing scheme so no kid feels left out by the animated show that sells toys. My point is Tekken used the same structure- as did Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat - because everyone had their favorite. Tekken seemed like the first to make them animated short skits as opposed to the portrait plus text that Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat tended to use.
@@VKCapone yeah, but every other characters that wasn't playable in the story had a separate character episode to play. Even those who were playable had one except Jin.
@@VKCapone Lars also had a lot of screentime in Tekken 6, and in Tekken 7. The same can be said for Alisa, Lee, and a whole other lot. What's your point?
One has to keep in mind that over the course of Tekken's life, its lead man Katsuhiro Harada has risen several ranks within the company, and is now a manager. I think it's impressive he was still able to steer Tekken back on track narratively and competitively, given all the additional duties he's since taken on.
@@cosmicspider2 I thought this video was praise on WOG's part that after T7 abandoned character endings in Arcade, this one brought it back AND competently continued the main story.
@Hugsloth What does it matter where the character endings come from? They're still there, they're still bad, and they've been bad since T5. The same goes for the "compently told" main story
Harada isn't competent, that is something that is widely recognized among Tekken players... He's just the loudest man in the boardroom and has been for years
I never interrupted Jin as a depressed character but I think this story really frames his struggles from especially 3,4,5,and 6 and made his ability to overcome that cathartic
story spoilers below - - - - - - Tekken 8's "MGS4" moment in the final fight had literal chills sent down my spine in excitement as the music kicked in and Jin's moveset changed, sooooooo good
Thank you for such a fantastic video. I agree with a lot of the points made. I'm a Jin main since 3, so tapping into all the history and lore of the character (both story and gameplay-wise) is great, but my biggest issue with the story mode is they didn't go hard enough on Jin because of what he did in 6. The dude basically set off a World War and apart from a few mentions of his "sins", you don't feel it because no one except for Kazuya seems to care about it. I wish they kept Miguel in as a personification of Jin's crimes and have him be a major part of the story. Someone that he needs to confront on his way to atoning for what he did, similar to Yukishiro Enishi in the Rurouni Kenshin manga series. It's still a major step up from 7, though, as you said, and it's a welcome surprise to know that other characters are given a chance to shine as well.
I would say that making Jin feel like his terrible sins even CAN be absolved, was just something everyone around him had to do, whether or not they were still angry about his actions in T6. Because even though the war is his fault, they still need him to reach for redemption because he can stop Kazuya in the process. It doesn't end the G-Corp war, but it gives the 'good guys' a much more useful ally.
Miguel as an aspect in Jin's redemption was already explored in Miguel's character episode in 7, he's just waiting in the wings now to confront at Jin once he's at his most hopeful & resolved
@@Grizzexploder Good point. It's such a short scene, though, and does not have closure for either character. Here's hoping that they at least put him in future installments (or DLC) to give that part of Jin's (and Miguel's) story a proper resolution because that part is so underwhelming as it stands IMO.
That's an excellent point, it's very clear that Bamco want us so hard to cheer for Jin despite that we all know it's impossible after what he's done. A perfect comparison to it will be Green Lantern in the Injustice series. He also caused a lot of pain to a lot of people after he turned into a Yellow Lantern and his chapter in the IJ2 story focuses heavily on his past and his sins. That's how good storytelling needs to be done, and Green Lantern isn't even the main character of the story, unlike Jin in T8 who is the main character, and yet his past is being barely touched, on purpose.
The issue is the there are too many characters, too little showtime, and too weak writing; we're at the point where they have to triage and the only characters that are worthwhile to focus on is the Mishimas, yet they waste time trying to shoehorn in a peanut gallery that gets almost no attention yet still wastes time. The whole tekken force mode level should have been dropped because it has no replay value, and that's time you could have spent showing Jin have worthwhile conversations and character development, or Kazuya doing the same, or even making Jun be an actual character in the story. Then you keep having inconsistencies between games, Lars hated Jin and Jin did despicable things to Lars to warrant such hatred, and then suddenly they both become best bros, the whole world hated Jin as a war criminal but now he just gets away with everything?
I enjoyed T8’s story. I believe it would be a great idea to split the story by having a plot driven cinematic mode and a lore driven arcade mode. That way the writers aren’t force to include a newcomer in the “main” story, but instead have fun with them in an arcade mode that adds to the lore.
Tekken 4 was the last Tekken I got into before coming back now to Tekken 8. I had to watch TH-cam videos with story recaps from all the games and the ones I didn’t play like Tekken 5-7. Tekken 8 story is fine just over the top anime inspired story troupes.
You're not wrong, but it was pretty enjoyable for its narrative. I was rooting for Jin, even though I knew his story is just as slapdashed as, say, Sasuke's story was from Naruto.
SoulCalibur has long deserved a better story mode too. The backgrounds and motivations for each character are genuinely interesting and diverse. They all have reasons to be there and it's never "well, there's a tournament". Glad to hear Tekken 8 is fun from a perspective like this though! Will definitely get it now, at some point.
I don't know, man. I respect the video enough to support it with a comment, but I truly think that this is the best story mode we had in Tekken... ever. It's freaking epic. The dialogue is a bit cringe and the twists are pretty predictable overall but that's because the game is touching every beloved convention for shonen anime. And I think it does pretty well. If I were a teen, I would be loving the story like crazy. But I can still appreciate the huge jump forward in quality when compared to Tekken 7, where, in my opinion, NOTHING REALLY HAPPENED. The entire story in Tekken 7 could have been told in a few words. Kazuya takes over g corporation, Nina reluctantly joins him, Heihachi hides. That's it. That's tekken 7 story. Because Akuma and the wife were there but I never understood for what, what was their reason to be there, it never made sense narratively, they serve no purpose other than being there. This is something fighting games used to do quite often: They add characters just to show them, without any reason or motive. I think the story in Tekken 8 is much better written, everything has a purpose, even when it's just to tease future twists and enemies. And when that's the point, it's done well, not cheaply. I thought I would hate Reina, but here I am, wishing to see more from her in future entries. I think the story is a big triumph. Could it be better? Sure, everything can better. We could remove some of the more cringey lines, but that's so minor...
@@fightingmedialounge519 I was pretty sure I watched that in 7. If not, if I am misremembering, I may have mixed the mishima corporation with the g corporation, but I really thought Nina was defeated and subsequently joined him in tekken 7, before the defeat of Heihachi. If that didn't happen either, then the story in 7 is even worse.
@@Alfonso88279 yeah, Nina joined heihachi at beginning of 7 after she loss to him, only to bow out of the fight after losing to Alisa and not involving herself anymore in that conflict for the game.
I don't think this kind of story mode fits tekken. I liked how every fighter got their own reason to fight, now it's just "good guys vs bad guys" pretty much. And everybody know eachother by name like they're high-school rivals or something. It fits better with something more cartoony like Injustice or Mortal Kombat, but in Tekken it feels out of place.
The story really isn't for me - ever since they tried turning Jin into this weird Sephiroth/Cloud/emo hybrid I have zonked out. The Final Fantasy meets Dragonball side of Tekken just ain't for me and I have always been fascinating by the idea of a Kazuya redemption arc via a Jun intervention rather than him being this absolutely absurb comic villain and everyone patting Jin on the head despite starting World War III. Oh well - loads of people enjoy these things and good luck o them.
I agree though if they really did want to go with Jin, they should've kept Jun dead. I love Jun but her being dead like how it was originally served as a good resolve for Jin to avenge her and overcome the devil curse (before they retconned it and turned it into a hereditary gene).
You're wondering why the characters in Tekken 8 are helping Jin/Kazuya, it's really not that hard to figure out. The characters helping Jin know who he is because he was literally the man who started a war, he was the head of the Mishima Zaibatsu in Tekken 6, so people already knew who he was and what was going on to some extent during 6 and 7, and in terms of why they were helping him, well, for one, they knew he was the only one who could stop Kazuya and well, they're fighters so they're gonna fight to help literally save mankind, that's why it was set up in one of the chapters for multiple characters to be at a location altogether. One of the themes that I absolutely loved was that they made fighting more than just knocking out your opponents, they made it out to be a way to connect with each other, people tend to forget that when it comes to martial arts that it's about discipline and patience and heart. That's why I fell in love with Tekken in the first place, because it doesn't rely on shock value like Mortal Kombat or being spammy like Street Fighter. It requires actual time and patience and learning.
Doesn't change the fact, that alot of it is rushed and unearned. If the story was more proper in building relations with characters (example, Asuka and Jin who are freaking related) it would make sense. But we got none of it. Yes he's the only one to stop Kazuya but for one, a lot of them shouldn't be quick to trust him or let alone forgive him
Naaaahhh.... this is peak. King making Jaguar noises and actually hyping up the morale of the soldiers was amazing; Fuckers started chanting in the middle of a war because of King. Steve fucking Dempsey rolling through machine gun fire. The Sainy Seiya bullshit that shoots them up to space; And fight will falling to the Earth. Jin fucking cycling through and then mixing Mishima style, Kyokushin Karate, and Kazama style was, to me atleast, the best part of the story mode; Encapsulating Jin's story through his stances and movelist.
While there were improvements in Tekken 8's story (like with characters that haven't interacted with one another from Tekken 7. For example, Shaheen talking with Lili and Asuka which is nice, sweet and one of the endings that I believe is canon. Also, the campaign story even included more characters to the story and not just the Mishimas or anyone related to the Mishimas) I still feel like the story focuses a liiitle bit too much on the Mishimas. I still haven't seen character developments outside of the Mishimas like with Steve and Nina. Seriously, I so want to see them develop, especially Nina. This is why I lean more into MK 1's characters because we see character developments that are outside of the main characters and that are not Liu Kang and Kitana's family. One of the character developments we see is Johnny Cage. Though he started off as a jerk, he came to understand the situation around him and take the situation a bit more serious. Another is Sindel. She realized and understand Shang Tsung was not who she think she is, coming to understand Liu Kang more, and realizing that Li Mei wasn't the one to blame for Jerrod's death. There's like a LOT more I can talk about on MK 1's character development but I'll leave it at that. Another nitpick I have is that they STILL don't have Xiaoyu and Alisa becoming best friends in the canon timeline. Sure we see their friendship in the non-canon ones but I really, REALLY love to see it in canon. I especially love their friendship in The Tekken Blood Vengeance movie. It's just so sweet, adorable and innocent. Now, just because I expressed my disappointment, that doesn't mean Harada-san and Bandai should stop making more Tekken campaign stories. Like I said, Tekken 8's campaign story is an improvement from Tekken 7's. They should improve more and more, especially on the characters.
I think they should make Blood Vengeance Canon. Harada did say it's Semi Canon Too why not and it's also the First Time we see True Devil Kazuya(and he was Playable in Tekken Tag 2 Prologue No Hacks Needed unlike Tekken 7 and 8 Version and had a Cool Character Portrait)as well
He put his life on the line to literally saved the world and spared the life of the main villain and move on with his life to never repeat his past mistakes. That's pretty heroic to me.
I don't think the "Cinematic story mode" is the right direction for a fighting game story mode, to be honest, for all the points you mentioned. (IE: Constantly swapping characters, not including the entire cast in the plot, etc... It's especially egregious in Mortal Kombat where the only character who can win a fight is the one you're playing as, making 90% of the villains complete jokes.) I'm actually really intrigued by the "Micro-RPG" format I've seen some indies take (and also World Tour in Street Fighter 6), as I think that's a far better vehicle to drive a fighting game plot than a bunch of cutscenes you could watch on youtube broken up by the occasional in engine fight sequence.
Wrong, fighting games could succeed in cinematic stories, just need good writers, mk one story always been good rather u like it or hate the villians lmao, sf 5 story was even good cinematically, tekken 8 fight scenes was good, the thing they messed up on was more characters engaging in action, and not much in the story, Bruce Irvin and bob like yeah, story wise, mk better
@@ymkyourmoneyking8157 The problem I'm getting at is that you could take *all the gameplay* out of a cinematic story mode and nothing of value would be lost... I know, because Arc System Works has been doing it this way for YEARS with their random visual novel story modes. More people watch cinematic story modes on TH-cam than actually play through it themselves. Hell, NRS's story modes are actively sabotaged by the chapter system. Want a climactic confrontation between renegade student and master? Too bad, Sub-Zero's chapter was 4 chapters ago, it's Raiden's chapter now so he gets to kill Frost while Sub-zero Spectates.
@@kevingriffith6011 mk story is good, that’s subjective, yeah I get what u saying, they put a lot of gameplay elements in the story mode which kind of messed it up, mk had more action aswell and a better understanding of the plot the endings are even canon
@@CrystalMang0 Saying "the cinematic story mode is why MK/Tekken are big successes" Is like saying that a game is doing good because it has a title screen. The reason MK/Tekken/Street Fighter are doing great right now is because they have real single player content that lasts more than... like an hour, in this respect the rest of the industry is catching up to NRS. Street Fighter 5 was a huge bomb when it first came out, but it had a full cinematic story mode, too... Marvel Infinite? Big cinematic story mode, also bombed... and I've never heard anyone say that the stories being told in these games are actually good. Fighting games are succeeding right now because they're full games with PvP modes, not a box containing only a PvP mode.
Tekken 6 was the tekken that really lost me. Changing the scale from a family that hates each other to a literal global conflict. Plus making the game more and more anime (Lars and Alisa) has been pretty cringy. Gotta finish what Tekken 6 started. I mean I guess that's the one that started the series having one clear Canon story.
Space ninjas, ninjas with shadow clones (Raven), robots since Tekken 1, Purple winged demons literally based on Devilman Crybaby, but Tekken 6 made it anime? You're a clown lmao, stay in denial, Tekken has been this way.
Yes tekken 6 ruined everything. Lars/Naruto and the Russian robot speaking Japanese literally ruined the tekken lore. Not to mention how pathetic they made Azazel
@@darkseidistheboss5781 🤡 Jin and Kazuya giant laser beams into space while flying with wings "But Lars is evil Naruto character because lightning even though all Mishima's have had lightning since Tekken 1, and every character has Ki and Ki Charge is a literal mechanic. Oh btw i'm mentally touched"
I haven’t played a Tekken game since 4, simply because I’m not a big fighting game fan. But what you’ve detailed here has actually kind of sold me on 8. I might actually get hold of it at some point
I mean the story was always "oh no Devil Gene" and "who will throw who off of the side of a cliff" since T2 I always seen it as that, I don't think we're supposed to take it seriously, not sure why people are. It's just telling a story in the world that was constructed, and the more straight they play it, it's still epic even if it's in a bubble alongside killer pandas, boxing kangaroos and alien samurai. It's even structured around the Iron Fist Tournament, which will always be put in place by a Mishima, they just are the main characters lol It's literally just anime, even Harada was about to leave Tekken back when T4 tried to straighten things out and make it "serious" (as it could be); Like I haven't played T8's story mode yet, but p sure it'll come down to "Devil Gene bad" and "Which Mishima will win for the fate of the wooorld" and that's fine. T9 and T10 will probably carry that theme on and it's fine too 'because' you have all of the rest of the world inhabited by cyborg ninjas and fighting animals and superhero Luchadors It seems dumb if you look at it directly, but if one just un-wedgies themselves they might feel like it's fine, it's fun dumb action schlock played hilariously straight, and from that you get epic moments that stick because it's so true to itself. That's Tekken for me personally, been playing off and on since T2 lol
The whole war battle in the story mode had me laughing a lot. They were so obvious with Reina had a big secret. Should've been subtle. Tekken fighters are immune to guns too?
Jin's story isn't over Bro will comeback in tekken 9 and will always be in the game until tekken's story isn't finished And it makes sense cuz he didn't killed kazuya, kazuya is alive and a person like kazuya will sure take revenge from jin and will be more blood lusted to kill everyone but also jun came at the end to injured kazuya so let's see what will happen also devil gene isn't gone cuz reina still has it Soo wait until next 9 years until tekken 9 comes until then enjoyyy
Ok but that bit where devil Jin has to free Jin and the camera angle switches and snow castle starts playing is one of the best story moments in any game
It's shocking how Miguel wasn't in the roster and the story because Jin is why his wife was killed after he became a leader of Mishima zaibatsu I am surprised if he's gonna be a DLC character.
Great video dude. I agree that the Arcade Quest mode was clever with its commentary. I'm loving this game so far and am finding it to be a highlight of the series.
I think Tekken 4 was the first time that EVERYONE had their own story and it flowed not only into other characters, but still wasn’t outshined by the Mishima bloodline feud. I was legit invested in Nina and her connection to Steve, and Lei Wulong unsuccessfully chasing her 😂. I also thought Paul wasn’t a joke in this, and even in his ending, he goes back to his roots after realizing that he sold out to be a rich guy when he’s not that type of person. After 4, it all went downhill lore wise.
@@francisdolarhyde1866 I developed an entire storyline for Asuka when I saw her. She could have been the balance between Kazuya and Jin by aligning with Kazuya and giving him a redemption arc because she was causing him to become more good through her powers. Then Jin would be conflicted because Kazuya isn’t as evil as he thought…BUT…they invited Jin’s mommy back instead…and made Asuka become discount Sakura from Street Fighter.
Honestly while purely from a real world stand point Jin shouldn't have been forgiven for what he did. From a thematic story element, I think 8 does a decent job of getting the audience behind Jin, in his quest to make up for what he's done in the past and makes you root for him to get his happy ending.
I have been going through a bit of transition in my life and it has a lot to do with self acceptance. I resonated so much with the story especially Jin's struggle to protect yet still causing havoc because he tries it all on his own and other similar themes of seeing his wrongs in Kazuya. I loved the ending and everything in it. Though the only drag I really had was all the third person waves of soldiers and Jacks. It was cool for the first 2-3 rounds but man that was a grind on the hardest difficulty. Really hope T8 will continue so I don't wait a decade for the Reina arc
I enjoyed T8's story, flaws and all, but I can't shake off the feeling that T4 is still the best in Tekken series when it comes to world and character building. The artstyle, the ambience and grittiness created a certain sense of realism with minimal effort. I always got so pumped when starting a story mode and hearing the announcer talk about a character while a slideshow rolled with an unique artstyle and badass music, it's crazy how effective it was. And this kind of approach to story gave developers a lot of room to grow as you're not really sure which endings are canon so there always was this intrigue and mystery as what is waiting in the future installment. TEKKEN story thrives on character motivations and is at its most effective when the lore logistics and details are obscured, it just feels so raw. TEKKEN 8's story felt so many times like the characters are monologing in front of each other instead of really interacting. Kazuya and Jin were so detached from one another, they mainly talked to each other in platitudes.
@@WritingOnGames I did but my reason for leaving the comment with the name of the video was an argument against the title. You made the point against the title yourself so there was no need.
Lowkey I loved the intro to the story of 6 with it looking like Jin had become a world villain and Kazuya had become the world’s savior just because he wants to kill Jin. Other Characters draw party lines, especially characters you wouldn’t think would be important. But it ultimately made it “well hear him out.” But 7 was ok-ish, 8 seems way to convoluted and shoehorned other characters in and made it so much more PG 13 friendship heavy.
Personally my issue with the story was Reina. She was great and I loved every moment of her, up until the very end when she gets a devil form. T8 was a resolution to Tekken's story up till now but her gaining a devil gene seems like going back to the PS1 days
I loved tekken 3, I later got Tekken 4 and I think maybe even 5? But I did not sense the same playfulness. Maybe just nostalgia, even in those days. Until today I thought I always misunderstood Tekken, but now you make me believe that tekken 8 might just be for me.
To everyone saying to not take tekken's story seriously or seeing putting any effort into doing so as waste of time, Are you also the type of person to excuse weird writing in kid's shows just because they're meant for kids? Because its sort of thought terminating, people should be allowed to take narratives as seriously as they want if the story expects you too aswell, there isn't some weird insincere part of main plot where anyone really goes "Oh _wooww_ , what do you call yourself now?, 'Angel Jin', thats _shtooopud_ " It isn't like he's trying to criticize how its out of character for Kazuya to have a hobby in owning a collection of expensive foot wear...
That's the thing, you can't use the 'don't take it seriously' stance and also say 'Oh, I was moved by this story'. You can like a story, but if people criticize the story you can't deflect just for the sake of not hearing plotholes.
Dude you're so right about the story. Prior to T6, it was way more fun to piece the story together with the little tidbits we got, rather than having the whole thing shoved in our faces, with too much focus on the Mishima saga to boot. T8 finally managed to get it right, balancing everything to be a fantastic game for everyone. As far as Jin's story goes, I view this as the third instalment in a trilogy. With the first two being T3 and T5. After waiting nearly 20 years, I have finally gotten a worthy sequel to T5 😊
You are literally me. My heart pumps and bleeds Tekken. Like you, I am also terrible at it. I’ve been playing since 2009 and I am by no means a pro player
I feel like Teeken story is at a point where they could probably explore or experiment with new main characters, now that the mishima rivalry looks to be put to rest.
The main reason the story resonated with me is because I'm a martial artist and this story works when they talk with their fist. Also in Arcade Quest I saw myself in Jet, dude wants to have fun and see some stylish moves, doesn't matter if he wins or loses as long as it's a good match.
I don't know what they can do going forward. The Mishima war was the main pillar of this story. Now, with no Heihachi, no Devil Kazuya, no Devil Jin, what are we doing, what is left to be told ? Reina becoming the main villain ? Don't make me laugh, she's cool, no problem, but the job is too big for her, she's not enough.
I love the convoluted silly storry. But give me more of paul and law for sure. I hope they go 4esque for 9 and make a smaller grounded story in scope. Id like more eddie though.
I love tekken more than anything but that story was incredibly disappointing. Reina seemed really forced really dislike the direction it took. That ending wasn't even close to 7s ending.
My thing is since the Devil Gene is gone his come Jin still has the mark on his arm? And if they release a new Tekken game I feel like we’re gonna miss Devil Jin and Devil Kazuya
I actually disagree about victor and his motivations being “unclear”. He sees the video of Kazuya and says that they can’t let that happen. That’s enough for him to be on Jin’s side
“We’ve defeated Azazel and the origin of the Devil Gene.” Reina, who is probably related to a different devil if she’s not Jin’s blood sister that Jun forgot: “Nah, I got a final form now.” Idk about her bring Kazuya’s sister(?) and having so much Hachi obsession despite us never seeing them together. She mentions him like every two sentences after the reveal, and it just hurts her character.
@darkseidistheboss5781 I think they didn't do that to dodge the Kazuya/Jun/Jin perfect family fan upset. Most tekken fans want the 3 to reunite and become an actual family. So having an illegitimate daughter from Kazuya from some random woman would've pissed a lot of them off
@@SparkZ1420 agreed but then they should not have done anything at all, because her being Heihachi's daughter makes no sense at all. Namely: 1) Heihachi has no devil gene. If Reina is his daughter then it means she is also Kazumi's daughter and Kazuya's full sister. If that is the case, then they ruined the original trio, especially since Heihachi took measures to replace Kazuya by adopting Lee. Why would he do that if he had Reina already? Obviously Lars the Naruto wannabe makes no sense either... 2) There is such a huge age difference between Reina and Heihachi. If she is Kazumi's daughter, how old is Reina? 45? Kazumi died while Kazuya was still a young boy. 3) Where was Reina all this time? That for me is a huge issue given that it is not the first time that Heihachi is considered dead. I consider the addition of Reina as super lazy writing by a team that are only concerned with gameplay and nothing else. The story is rubbish, nothing makes sense anymore. It is like watching a dragonball episode.
@darkseidistheboss5781 Point 3 is rather interesting - indeed, where _was_ she all this time? As for 1 and 2, maybe it's not just the Hachijo clan that possesses the Devil Gene, if Niklas is correct. It's possible she was conceived after Kazuya's volcano incident (if she actually is younger than Jin), or maybe around the same sort of time as Lars (Heihachi had a lot of illegitimate children, apparently) that said, did Heihachi personally train her? Did he _know_ about the Gene, and just raise her anyway to kill Kazuya?
I finished the storymode and was hoping to see what role Jun played in the story mode , only to find out we just saw her feet at the end. Man I was and still disappointed because I have to wait god knows how many years for Tekken 9 to know what role Jun plays.
I wish you could talk about specifics 10:23 I don't agree with this about the idea being better as something you imagine. Absurd, fantastical, serious and comedic, stories work. 13:14 it's for everyone except everyone who doesn't and will never like Tekken.
To sum it up, the story was Flawed but surprisingly good (kudos for beung creative and putting effort), T4 is still the measuring stick for story telling. Now they gotta improve those shitty character episodes.
Harada said himself that Tekken’s overall story is simple in nature. I do agree that side characters haven’t been used to their optimal potential in story threads, but I feel disappointed that so many criticize Tekken’s humorous bits. People have a laugh and stop being so uptight. Life is too short for that enjoy the bear going after the panda, Kazuya’s sneaker collection, shipping Lars with and android, Law going to heaven to scape debts, Feng Wei getting pissed on by sugar, the idea of Eddie being lucky Chloe’s back up dancer, Jun cooking for everyone and so many humorous instances and get hyped when they do something cool.
*Spoilers* I feel like the ending was a little empty. I feel like we need to know what happened to Kazuya afterwards. I honestly want a story mode pt2 DLC. Such a huge climax just ends on a stale note.
Judging by the comments here and the Twitter posts, I'd say many people can agree that T8's story is amazing, with some slight nitpicks aside. Personally, I'd say that it's one of the best Fighting Game story modes in history, maybe second to the entire GG storyline as a whole. Almost every chapter contains several callbacks and references to older Tekken games, and the story is clear enough for first time Tekken players to enjoy too. You can tell how much effort the deva put into this story and I love them for it. This is coming from T7, which was a commercial success despite being under-budget and born from the ashes of the failed TTT2. The devs could've just continued to ignore the story and it'll still sell well, but they didn't.
Ttt2 only failed because of Bad Balance That was never Patched( Death Combos). The Game still has a Great Ost and the Bgm Preview version of Songs are different than Console Version and it has a Big Character Roster and also Looks Graphically Better than Tekken 7.
3-4 hour story for a game that took over 10 years to come out (and given 7's horribly short story where most of it was fighting JACK) is absolutely shocking
You were definitely a lot more kinder to the story mode than I personally am lol. I'm not trying to be "that" fan and I will say that that Tekken 8 is an improvement of Tekken 7 across the board. The game feels more "Tekken" than Tekken 7 did and when I play the game, it does feel "Tekken"ish (I say "ish" because it sucks how we didn't get Lei Wulong, Eddy, Anna, Julia, and Marduk in the base game).. The game does feel nice to play as well. But when it comes to the story lore and how some characters were handled? I gotta say that it left a lot to be desired. The main highlight was definitely the final showdown between Jin and Kazuya, I gotta admit that I felt the intensity. I also appreciate how they didn't make it easy for Jin, Kazuya was a force to be reckoned with with how he didn't back down multiple times, it was insane lol. But all the fluff that was leading up to the fight felt so underwhelming. From missing characters who should've been in the story like Eddy (Eddy 's feelings towards Jin after losing his grandmaster), Miguel (Jin's war got his sister killed), and Julia (she learned about the Devil Gene and it would've been cool to see her work with Lee in researching it), Asuka being royally shafted in the story yet again (I really hate what they did with Asuka since Tekken 6. A perpetually angry girl having a pointlessly shallow rivalry with Lili. Even when she learned about her aunt, her reaction was so underwhelming and there was no mention of her once suppressing Jin's devil gene), the tone-deafness with Azucena (the world is in total chaos and all she's worried about is selling coffee? Nonsense and not in a good way....), Reina being artificially shoehorned into the story (we needed time to get to know her before she got shoved into the semi-center of the story), and finally the return of Jun which I'm still split with (Jun is one of my favorite characters but I still remember the old story where she was originally dead which served purpose to Jin's resolve. The explanation they gave on how she survived was so out of hand and is tough for an older fan like me to fully accept). In fact the later having to do with Jun is my biggest issue with the story as a whole because the story has been a mess ever since they retcon the Devil plot. Originally is was really just an evil entity that Kazuya made a deal with out of desperation to survive the cliff fall and how it ended up consuming his body and would go on to infect his next of kin if something were to happen to his body. When he was thrown into the volcano after losing to Heihachi in Tekken 2, the demonic energy transferred into Jin. But come Tekken 4, they retcon this by wanting to bring back Kazuya and they had to change it from being a demonic possession to a biological gene so they could have both Kazuya and Jin still exist with the devil power. And it just went downhill from there when they brought in Azazel. I'm sorry but I much prefer the old story, it felt more natural compared to what they cobbled up. Tekken 4 did so much for the characters outside the Mishima family and it's such a shame how shafted a lot of them were treated post Tekken 4. But all this aside, I don't want to act like Tekken 8's story is the absolute worst campaign, there have been much worse out there. And there's no denying that Tekken 8 is a pretty good game, a step up from Tekken 7 which almost felt sorta foreign.I know that story isn't the most important thing in a fighting game and that's why I don't hold the lackluster story against an otherwise solid gameplay experience.
@@hurricane7727 Yes. Yes she was. I'm talking back around in 1997 to about 2004 or 2005 (after Tekken 5 released and they were getting ready for the Dark Resurrection oort). During that time, Jun was said to be dead.
Many complain about story modes in fighting games lacking consistency due to playing as one character for a series number of matches then onto the next. The story in Tekken 8 is better structured because you bounce between characters.
Been binging your channel for the last few days and love your perspective on games. Also I recommend watching Purposeless Rabbithole’s video on Kane & Lynch 2 I feel like you would like his perspective on the art behind the game
Honestly, while it was cool to see the Arcade Endings return, they were so underwhelming compared to previous offerings its tough to see them as a positive. They're bland, unfunny and often just repeat jokes that were done better in the previous games (seriously, compare Law's T8 ending to his T5 one, it's like night and day despite sharing the central joke). Whether you are looking for serious character development, or, like me, you just want some goofy shit to laugh at, it's a massive disappointment. Add to that the fact that they still haven't caught up to T5's pre- and post-fight sub-boss cutscenes, and it's not a very compelling package. Kazuya's ending was the only decent one in my opinion.
Same. I just finished all of them earlier today and the only one that I liked was Jun's (envisioning a future where Jin and Kazuya got along though it would've been nice if they dressed them in normal clothes) and Jin's (just seeing the guy be at peace for once). Kazuya's was okay but I never liked the dialogue writing for him. That said, everyone else felt either bland, pointless, or rushed, especially with how they forced the characters to interact with each other more which normally would be nice, but this late in the game and with how a lot of the endings lacked NPCs to fill the world, it just felt very awkward.
The bottom line is Tekken 5 & 3 made every character viable for winning the King of Iron Fist Tournament with incredible storytelling for 95% of the characters with a few comic relief characters. However now, Jin, Kazuya, and Heihachi get all the narrative while a WAR CHEST of characters get no screen time. Hwoarang should of been the Ken to Jin’s Ryu but not the case, Paul went from major threat Tekken 3 sudo winner to a joke, and someone like Dragunov could potentially progress from mid card guy to main event heel but nope it’s just the Mishima family everytime
Ngl, I kinda agree with Kazuya's speech. The world is indeed run by spineless cowards relying on weapons. A death tournament is much better than the wars we get nowadays 🤷🏻
@@Dallazification there’s a part 2 dlc coming for the story, titan shang tsung isn’t bad though, he’s cool, liu kang was depowered so maybe they didn’t want them to fight, reptile and baraka and reptile and kenshi even had good roles, and Johnny cage and more, tekken 8 story felt rushed, mk story is superior, tekken 8 fight scene with Angel jin and devil kazuya was good but should’ve kept fighting in those forms like blood vengeance at least, and flew out of space, they could’ve gave it a dbz type of fight if they were using those forms, I feel like mk have the best movies in fighting games
The story of tekken is confusing because each character has their own beginning and ending. Even if we focus on heihachi, kazuya and jin the plot gets tricky. This should have been the last tekken game by making jin beat kazuya. Even Devil Jin is gone now, Jin being Angel jin could have finished the franchise.
As an avid fan of the series since the first game, I feel that the real issue with the narrative of the game is its lack of focus. The main plot for every other game after the fourth title just became too convoluted in my opinion. I feel that the series would have been better off had they focused primarily on the rivalry between Kazuya and Heihachi. Less is more, so to speak. As for the rest of the cast, I'm a little torn. While I do like the more serious storylines of the past, the comical individual endings for some of them (Steve especially) got a real laugh out of me in this eighth outing of the franchise. Overall, I'm happy with Tekken 8 as a whole. The storyline is still out there and the final battle wasn't nearly as epic as the one in the seventh game but I feel that it improved in many other areas and is just a blast to play.
I'm still mad that some characters never got the closure of their arcs. * Paul Phoenix never had his rematch with Kazuya, as he considered himself Kazuya's rival. * Marshall Law's family is still broke and he treated as a joke. * Steve Fox never had closure with Nina Williams, his biological mother, and never met Anna Williams, his biological aunt. * Asuka Kazama never did anything of importance and her blood relation with Jin and Jun was ignored in favor of her stupid rivalry with Lilli. Also, her feud with Feng was forgotten. * Leo never discovered what happened to her mother, who is heavily implied to be involved in the birth of Steve Fox as part of a super soldier project.
Zafina sealing Azazel on her left arm for almost whole year and then got rip off by kazuya easily , she didn't even get a fighting cutscene in story mode😢.
King is a jaguar head. He’s from Mexico City and that’s part of the Aztec culture. Jaguar warriors. I wish they do an eagle custom head as a symbol he leveled up or just a cool custom
7:25 You know what would fix all of this? HIRE PROFESSIONAL WRITERS. Going back to the days of being ignorant and asking for more hokey jokey endings that don't develop the characters in any way will just make things worse.
Not sure if you mention it yet, but the voice actor for hiehachi passed, and the creator of tekken has decided to end the character entirely in respect for them
That is not why dude don't you know when after taking 6 came out hieihci died but what happened Tekken tag 2 hey hot she was brought back with a new actor and was still alive and Tekken 7 but then to his actor died after Tekken 7 so they killed her way before his actor died actress died they replaced him so it has nothing to do with respect otherwise they wouldn't have replaced hiexichi for Tekken tag 2 and Tekken 7 they would have left she gone after takken 6 . They already got a new VA form for the anime so they could easily use that VA for another Tekken game and if you do know what they do a second tag 3 hey hot hiehei going to be in it
When you mentioned that Esport thing about T7 i wanted to do a Daniel Bryan with the YES chants in agreement lol. I had felt they went in the direction of competitive online play overall as opposed to Single player stuff...
I dont blame you for never getting 'better', Im not saying its too hard or that its not worth it; its just that Tekken at a casual level is WAYYY different than Tekken played optimally, you can do silly things, you can use attacks that you like instead of attacks that are good, you dont realize which characters are complete aids and blatantly overpowered in each game and run into them constantly, it might honestly be more fun
Tekken is my favorite fighting game series, but when it’s comes to story Mortal Kombat has succeed in the formula better. The lore is much more thought out & expanded across characters, realms, politics, items, deities, etc. It gives every character moments to shine. Tekken 7 failed at trying to be that same approach. I will say Tekken 8 did better but MK still knows how to feel like a more cohesive story.
That's the problem with Tekken is the gloss over the other characters and just hand fist em in the Mishima fight. When a lot of characters went the tournament for riches like Mashel Law who always financially broke abd in debt, to Paul who just wants to be the self proclaimed "Strongest man in the universe", to Yoshimitsu abd Bryan's feud of wanting to kill each other. We never get to even see the actual tournament which we saw a bit with the story but its just ab after thought. The thing i like a bit more with Mortal Kombat's story is they include almost every character and every character haves a reak fleshed out part in the story and dont gloss over them to have em just appear in the final battle part with them helping as Jin and Kazuya fight seems dumb. Also i hated the "Power of friendship" bs trope they used on Jin being able to beat Kazuya with when half the characters shouldn't have that bond with Jin when he literally destroyed the world in Tekken 7. Lars, Alisa, Lee, and Xiaoyu is one thing. But Asuka (who is his cousin but he doesnt know let alone address it even when they literally had the family tree looking at descendants for jin to help out) as well Lili and Leory Smith shouldn't really help him. Plus why the fuck is Nina loyal to Kazuya? She hated Kazuya it was Anna who was loyal to Kazuya. As well love they still font touch on Steve and Nina's story with Nina being his mother. Just I feel Tekken needs an expansion story to flesh out these characters more like Mortal kombat since Tekken 6 story was only through the arcade brawler which was okay but kinda shit as well Tekken 7 was horrible being about the journlist getting information about the Mishima clan which was dog shit. I just never feel satisfied with Tekken's story at all and it seems they went more jokey on all the arcade mode endings which i dont like. I prefer a mixture of joke but also serious endings for characters
A couple of small corrections, MK stories do include every single character in the base roster and not just almost, and Tekken 6 was the one in which Jin tried to destroy the world, not Tekken 7. Other than that you are totally right dude.
@@RoyArkon regardless, it's still insane that MK got their story more organized including their characters but Tekken don't. As well you see them use all the main stages in store mode which Tekken doesn't.
Which is neat because in Tekken 4 we got to see the other characters living and having their own things to do. With Paul who wanted to be the best fighter, we saw how that affected him where he fell into a depression. Or how they gave Nina some more depth with how she learned how she was impregnated and had a son and her dealing with how to feel about that. I could go on and on with how T4 did a huge service to the other characters outside of the Mishima family. I also agree with you on how the whole "Power of Friendship" thing felt so heavy-handed, especially when they chucked in characters who he didn't have a friendship with. I also feel like what could've been more interesting is having characters like Eddy and Miguel in the story who would've had to wrestle with their feelings with Jin and wondering how they possibly could forgive him, especially Miguel who's sister was killed because of Jin's war. And maybe having Julia be the voice of reason remembering how her mother (Michelle) taught her how it's not helpful to hold grudges and though she would highly disapprove of Jin's actions from Tekken 6, she could understand his reason and begrudgingly accept it and use that to help bring Eddy and Miguel around. Maybe have Jin pay respects to Miguel's sister and Eddy's grandmother by visiting their graves and apologizing. I know, I know, cheesy as all hell but it would've been better than him just speeding down the highway and meeting Xiaoyu and that is it lol. And hard agree on Asuka. The poor girl has been heavily shafted since Tekken 6 when they decided to turn her into a perpetually angry girl who has a ridiculous rivalry with Lili that goes nowhere. That plane scene where she learns about the Kazama family tree and how she had next to no excitement or astonishment in learning about her aunt was absolutely annoying. Here she is learning about Jun and she hardly acknowledges it. And there is absolutely no mention of how she once suppressed Jin's devil gene before. I'm soeet, I just hate what they did with Asuka, one of the biggest definitions of wasted potential in the Tekken franchise. And yeah, Leroy and Lili shouldn't have been so willing to help Jin at all. They made it way too easy there. I was also bewildered why they had Nina working for Kazuya,. I mean sure, you could argue that Nina has no loyalty and will work with whoever will pay her but Kazuya should've been the last person she would ever consider working for. And with Tekken 7, the story was horrible and the journalist made it worse though I feel like the journalist should've been scrapped and they should've had Lei be the mouthpiece. Lei is a detective and it would've given a use of one of their characters in a somewhat meaningful way. I agree that narrative-wise, Tekken hasn't been all that great at all. Tekken 4 was the last time the story was done quite well.
I just wish we could get truly great storytelling in fighting games because they usually have the best lore. I couldn’t help myself but notice all of the dumb or illogical moments throughout this story. I wish it was more grounded instead of this end of the world nonsense. I wish there was more of an OG dragon ball type of feel where it’s just a regular tournament or some other type of story. Idk it just wasn’t very good imo.
Tekken 4 has that Type of Storyline where it was more Grounded. Tekken 5- 8 Has just been End of the World Dragonball Z( You might as well have Goku Vegeta etc as Guest Characters) Type Battles.
I miss Treasure Battle; they need to bring it back. Also the problem with Tekken is the same issue with every Fighting Game: Great Characters and Great Lore falls by the wayside, compared to the focus on Online Competition. It is sad that Fanfiction tells a better story, than most Developers, with their lore.
I disagree- Tekken 4 showed other characters can be explored well in canon parts of the story...and while I loved moments in the main story mode.... Tekken 8 fucked up Asuka and Reina, for one. Asuka's healing abilities? Unaddressed, hell shes barely relevant. Reina? Just sequel bait. her story left ambiguous and mostly unknown. For two, the game just...ends. no resolution on Kazuya- he can just continue everything he does as a human next game without much reprocussions, and Jun? Barely appears. Third- the character story endings? All non-canon joke endings that provide next to nothing, and mostly felt flat as they weren't even that funny. At least 5's joke endings had some relevance and were funny.
Asuka has been f-cked ever since Tekken 6 when they decided to flanderize her character. She went from having potential to being reduced to the "angry hot headed girl" who has an ongoing, pointlessly shallow rivalry with Lili. Lili was the worst thing to happen to Asuka because ever since they pitted the two against each other, Asuka's focus was completely lost, Lili is just her anchor at this point. I don't mind her having a rival but it sucks that it became the main thing in her life instead of learning more about her healing abilities and actually being used in the main story. And since they brought Jun back, now it feels like her opportunity was wasted because she could've been the one to help bring Jin back. That plane scene where she learns about the family tree was so aggravating because she barely had any emotion about it. And yeah with Reina, personally I hated how they tried to shoehorn into the center stage so quickly. I won't lie, she does feel kinda pointless and makes no sense because if she has the devil gene, wouldn't Heihachi not be pleased about that and would believe that it would consume her like what happened to Kazumi (I still hate this plot change... Eugh). But even trying to go with the motion, we needed more time to get to know Reina before they shoved her into the spotlight like that during the middle act of the game.
facts all around, though I loved Reina personally- just felt like they either needed to do more with her, or save her for Tekken 9. Not this half-ass job they did.@@decadentgamer3108
Its sad 😢how they disrespect the Bruce Lee-inspired character "Marshall Law" smh how can the character look the best it ever has and be the biggest joke in the series....its very sad and disappointing for the writers of Tekken 8 to disrespect Bruce Lee's legacy like that. It's very very disappointing.
the biggest issue with Tekken is that since it’s a very “Mishima” driven game. The ending doesn’t even conclude the Mishima saga, it only concluded the feud between Jin and Kazuya. This will inevitably cause a lot of fatigue among long time players or lack of interest with new fans. Street Fighter course corrected like 3-4 times. (Playing those games in a linear fashion is a mess) and mortal kombat ended with MK 1 - armageddon, did a soft reboot / retelling of MK 1-4 and added the “what if” scenario (in this case what if Liu kang died before deadly alliance) and ultimately did a full fledged reboot in MK 2023. So Tekken needs to stop with the Mishimas and Devil Gene and either do a spin off where Jin and Kazuya aren’t the main characters but keep the timeline the same, (like Tekken 6 with Lars) do a “next generation “ like what they did with Tekken 3 / Soulcalibur V (extremely risky! SF 3 was universally hated for killing off 90% legacy characters) do a reboot like MK 1 (meh) or not have a plot all together like Virtua Fighter (lol yeah right.) but Namco better do something because if Tekken 9 doesn’t surpass 8 their WILL be diminishing returns. Disney had to pass the torch down to the new Avengers / Star Wars crew like it or not, but that means it’s always fresh in the public eye. If Namco continues on just adding plot after plot, it will inevitably become the “Todd Mcfarlane Spawn” of Videogames.
Mk vs Dc Liu Kang vs Raiden was the Opposite of Mk9 where They Fight but Liu Kang at Least didn't Die.I think they should focus on the Hachijos in the Next Game.
Quick correction-at one point I refer to King's look as that of a leopard, when CLEARLY I should have said jaguar. Whole piece invalidated.
Anyway, in all seriousness, thanks for watching-you are all the best.
Only in Tekken are you considered missing after being thrown into a volcano
Bro Kazuya continued the legacy and threw Jin in the volcano in his ending 😂
Gotta keep the option for Heihachi to come back at any moment I guess LOL
I watched the recap in the gallery and almost started laughing when Kazuya and Heihachi taking turns to throw each other off cliffs.
@@SqueakHaki That was uncanon everyone know it but it makes sense why bandai namco added it cuz it's mishima's legacy
@@RealmsOfDocumentary yep. The true ending is Jin's ending. But in that ending Kazuya is still alive. Have to wait another 100 years for tekken 9 but can wait 🫶
It's flawed but still a MAJOR step-up from 7, and was still an awesome conclusion to this storyline. My one big problem is that Reina's appearance is going to drag the conflict on even further now when 8 basically gave us the perfect closure: Jin is finally content, found his path and Jun will probably help Kazuya take the first step into changing for the better. Feels like Harada's scared to truly let this family drama go.
I think Reina is interesting as a potential common enemy for the main cast to unite against (like Kazuya in 8, but without his baggage), carrying on Heihachi's wills from past games (4 & 7) & her individual dynamics with the others in this game + into the next game
I just want Paul Phoenix to be respected again damnit
Harada hinted already that Heihachi has more kids than Kazuya, Lars and Reina so the Mishimas will never really die. Now Reina will revive the Mishima Zaibatsu and the first recruits will probably be Nina and Kuma. And they have to explain how Reina got the Devil Gene maybe he infused her with the blood of Azazel, Jin or Kazuya? And the have to show some flashbacks from Heihachi together with Reina maybe he trains her so they have an excuse to bring back Heihachi in Tekken 9 via Flashbacks😂
Harada said the story will end when he dies so there you go, we'll have Tekken for a while
@@thephantompizza4378 LOL, no. Tekken may continue as long as Namco wants to. He's not even the creator of the series
I was happy when I saw the devil gene gone…and disappointed to see it come back. I just wanted a simple family drama about a fighting tournament with a bear and a Mexican jaguar wrestler
Bro don't u enjoy tekken series
U should be happy that bandai namco knows how to progress the story without making audience bore they know how to utilize all of their characters
They're not like crapcom who only knows how to meatride chris fatfield in their games 🤡 and how ruin other characters
@@RealmsOfDocumentarywhat happened with Chris redfield? What's wrong with his character?
@@armplanet7524 a boring military dude who's unnecessary overused in the games that's what's wrong with his character
this is what we all want bro, this is what we all want just a mexican with jaguar mask....
nah i like the devil gene i want jin to get it back so he goes angel again or if not just give him the moveset from the last battle
I love your point that Tekken games need lore more than they need plot. As a kid, I loved playing through arcade/story mode on each character to see their ending, not knowing which one was canon until the next game released (though after a couple of titles, I figured it was always a Mishima). The ridiculousness of it all was easier to enjoy when it was "here's what might have happened" rather than "here's exactly what happened." But I understand that technology has advanced, video game stories have matured and Tekken's audience has grown older (like me). It's not a criticism. I'm glad the individual character endings are back in 8, that's a nice touch.
Yes but the character episode is not canon anymore since it might give a more in depth character more like xiaoyu and rivalry betweeen feng wei with leroy.
But atleast it still hilarious and theres more calling to each character personality than in tekken 7 character episode.
It's a bit of a hot take, I think, but the "Plot" of a fighting game isn't nearly as important as letting the players spend time getting to know the characters. The story is an excuse to bounce your colorful cast of characters off of eachother in interesting ways. It's telling that so many people were going absolutely *wild* over a few text message conversations with Chun-Li or Ryu, or the various character cutscenes with Honda or Zangief. What made old fighting game intros/endings so appealing was that you got to see a little more of your character than just their moves.
In my mind, that's where you have to put your focus if you really want a great fighting game "story" mode. All you need for a plot is a thinly veiled excuse to get your characters together and let the characters themselves do the heavy lifting.
You realise that Tekken 8 is a return to what the series used to be in terms of story, right? What you're describing as "mature" and new technology is literally what Tekken 1 was doing back in the 90s lmao.
Back in the day Hasbro had animated shows like GI Joe and Transformers. Because they believed that no fan should leave out their favorite toy, they insisted that they don't focus only on Duke or Optimus Prime. This resulted in series structures that included episodes that centered on the "supporting cast."
Years later, the same structure became popular among "Prestige" TV and called mature.
And it mainly started as a marketing scheme so no kid feels left out by the animated show that sells toys.
My point is Tekken used the same structure- as did Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat - because everyone had their favorite. Tekken seemed like the first to make them animated short skits as opposed to the portrait plus text that Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat tended to use.
I love that Tekken - including 7 - allows itself to be incredibly absurd.
Jin didn't appear in Tekken 7's story, so it's only natural he got to have some screentime this time around.
Jin did appear in Tekken 7 story mode, but was demoted as an extra.
@@kendonl.taylor5111 lol.yeah, but what I mean is he wasn't even payable and he didn't even have a separate character episode either.
@@VKCapone yeah, but every other characters that wasn't playable in the story had a separate character episode to play. Even those who were playable had one except Jin.
@@VKCapone Lars also had a lot of screentime in Tekken 6, and in Tekken 7. The same can be said for Alisa, Lee, and a whole other lot. What's your point?
@@VKCapone sorry bro, I know all the story and played all games, I don't need to read all that to know my point is correct.
This is why Tekken 4 is the goat. Every character felt fleshed out and like a real person.
It definitely my favorite story-wise.
If they hadn't mucked too much with the gameplay, it would have been better received I think.
Story-wise, yes; gameplay-wise, no
@wolfo11 yh it's a shame tbh.
Paul's story is concluded there. Seeing him as clown now pains me...
One has to keep in mind that over the course of Tekken's life, its lead man Katsuhiro Harada has risen several ranks within the company, and is now a manager. I think it's impressive he was still able to steer Tekken back on track narratively and competitively, given all the additional duties he's since taken on.
Narratively? He's the one who fucked it all up in the first place, and he's still fucking up
@@cosmicspider2 I thought this video was praise on WOG's part that after T7 abandoned character endings in Arcade, this one brought it back AND competently continued the main story.
@Hugsloth What does it matter where the character endings come from? They're still there, they're still bad, and they've been bad since T5. The same goes for the "compently told" main story
@@cosmicspider2 OK
Harada isn't competent, that is something that is widely recognized among Tekken players... He's just the loudest man in the boardroom and has been for years
I never interrupted Jin as a depressed character but I think this story really frames his struggles from especially 3,4,5,and 6 and made his ability to overcome that cathartic
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Tekken 8's "MGS4" moment in the final fight had literal chills sent down my spine in excitement as the music kicked in and Jin's moveset changed, sooooooo good
Spoiler? More like a glue? (Just added another layer of joke for already joke 😅)
Yeah, I definitely got that MGS4 final bout vibe from it.
Fantastic work on their part 👏
Thank you for such a fantastic video.
I agree with a lot of the points made. I'm a Jin main since 3, so tapping into all the history and lore of the character (both story and gameplay-wise) is great, but my biggest issue with the story mode is they didn't go hard enough on Jin because of what he did in 6.
The dude basically set off a World War and apart from a few mentions of his "sins", you don't feel it because no one except for Kazuya seems to care about it. I wish they kept Miguel in as a personification of Jin's crimes and have him be a major part of the story. Someone that he needs to confront on his way to atoning for what he did, similar to Yukishiro Enishi in the Rurouni Kenshin manga series.
It's still a major step up from 7, though, as you said, and it's a welcome surprise to know that other characters are given a chance to shine as well.
I would say that making Jin feel like his terrible sins even CAN be absolved, was just something everyone around him had to do, whether or not they were still angry about his actions in T6. Because even though the war is his fault, they still need him to reach for redemption because he can stop Kazuya in the process. It doesn't end the G-Corp war, but it gives the 'good guys' a much more useful ally.
Miguel as an aspect in Jin's redemption was already explored in Miguel's character episode in 7, he's just waiting in the wings now to confront at Jin once he's at his most hopeful & resolved
@@Grizzexploder Good point. It's such a short scene, though, and does not have closure for either character.
Here's hoping that they at least put him in future installments (or DLC) to give that part of Jin's (and Miguel's) story a proper resolution because that part is so underwhelming as it stands IMO.
THIS all of THIS!
That's an excellent point, it's very clear that Bamco want us so hard to cheer for Jin despite that we all know it's impossible after what he's done. A perfect comparison to it will be Green Lantern in the Injustice series. He also caused a lot of pain to a lot of people after he turned into a Yellow Lantern and his chapter in the IJ2 story focuses heavily on his past and his sins. That's how good storytelling needs to be done, and Green Lantern isn't even the main character of the story, unlike Jin in T8 who is the main character, and yet his past is being barely touched, on purpose.
The issue is the there are too many characters, too little showtime, and too weak writing; we're at the point where they have to triage and the only characters that are worthwhile to focus on is the Mishimas, yet they waste time trying to shoehorn in a peanut gallery that gets almost no attention yet still wastes time.
The whole tekken force mode level should have been dropped because it has no replay value, and that's time you could have spent showing Jin have worthwhile conversations and character development, or Kazuya doing the same, or even making Jun be an actual character in the story.
Then you keep having inconsistencies between games, Lars hated Jin and Jin did despicable things to Lars to warrant such hatred, and then suddenly they both become best bros, the whole world hated Jin as a war criminal but now he just gets away with everything?
I enjoyed T8’s story. I believe it would be a great idea to split the story by having a plot driven cinematic mode and a lore driven arcade mode. That way the writers aren’t force to include a newcomer in the “main” story, but instead have fun with them in an arcade mode that adds to the lore.
Tekken 4 was the last Tekken I got into before coming back now to Tekken 8. I had to watch TH-cam videos with story recaps from all the games and the ones I didn’t play like Tekken 5-7. Tekken 8 story is fine just over the top anime inspired story troupes.
You're not wrong, but it was pretty enjoyable for its narrative. I was rooting for Jin, even though I knew his story is just as slapdashed as, say, Sasuke's story was from Naruto.
SoulCalibur has long deserved a better story mode too. The backgrounds and motivations for each character are genuinely interesting and diverse. They all have reasons to be there and it's never "well, there's a tournament".
Glad to hear Tekken 8 is fun from a perspective like this though! Will definitely get it now, at some point.
Will definitely get it now, at some point. = you wont purchase it
Sc2 and Sc3 were the Best Sc games Story wise for Me. I liked Sc3 more than Sc4 because we See Siegfried Fighting Nightmare in a Cutscene
I don't know, man. I respect the video enough to support it with a comment, but I truly think that this is the best story mode we had in Tekken... ever. It's freaking epic. The dialogue is a bit cringe and the twists are pretty predictable overall but that's because the game is touching every beloved convention for shonen anime. And I think it does pretty well.
If I were a teen, I would be loving the story like crazy. But I can still appreciate the huge jump forward in quality when compared to Tekken 7, where, in my opinion, NOTHING REALLY HAPPENED. The entire story in Tekken 7 could have been told in a few words. Kazuya takes over g corporation, Nina reluctantly joins him, Heihachi hides. That's it. That's tekken 7 story. Because Akuma and the wife were there but I never understood for what, what was their reason to be there, it never made sense narratively, they serve no purpose other than being there.
This is something fighting games used to do quite often: They add characters just to show them, without any reason or motive.
I think the story in Tekken 8 is much better written, everything has a purpose, even when it's just to tease future twists and enemies. And when that's the point, it's done well, not cheaply. I thought I would hate Reina, but here I am, wishing to see more from her in future entries.
I think the story is a big triumph. Could it be better? Sure, everything can better. We could remove some of the more cringey lines, but that's so minor...
Kazuya already had g cooperation in 6, and Nina didn't join him in 7.
@@fightingmedialounge519 I was pretty sure I watched that in 7. If not, if I am misremembering, I may have mixed the mishima corporation with the g corporation, but I really thought Nina was defeated and subsequently joined him in tekken 7, before the defeat of Heihachi. If that didn't happen either, then the story in 7 is even worse.
@@Alfonso88279 yeah, Nina joined heihachi at beginning of 7 after she loss to him, only to bow out of the fight after losing to Alisa and not involving herself anymore in that conflict for the game.
I don't think this kind of story mode fits tekken. I liked how every fighter got their own reason to fight, now it's just "good guys vs bad guys" pretty much. And everybody know eachother by name like they're high-school rivals or something.
It fits better with something more cartoony like Injustice or Mortal Kombat, but in Tekken it feels out of place.
@Nov-5062 agreed,anything outside of fellow fighters like top guys like the Mishimas or celebrities like Steve and Paul is just senseless
I still agree with the take that one of Tekken's big failings is that either you're a Mishima, or you basically don't exist
The story really isn't for me - ever since they tried turning Jin into this weird Sephiroth/Cloud/emo hybrid I have zonked out. The Final Fantasy meets Dragonball side of Tekken just ain't for me and I have always been fascinating by the idea of a Kazuya redemption arc via a Jun intervention rather than him being this absolutely absurb comic villain and everyone patting Jin on the head despite starting World War III.
Oh well - loads of people enjoy these things and good luck o them.
Agreed. I think they should make Juns Ending Canon so The Mishima Storyline would end and then we move on to the Hachijo Storyline.
I agree though if they really did want to go with Jin, they should've kept Jun dead. I love Jun but her being dead like how it was originally served as a good resolve for Jin to avenge her and overcome the devil curse (before they retconned it and turned it into a hereditary gene).
I’m on chapter 6 in tekken 8 now, had to pull myself away to get sleep, but I am excited and overwhelmed by this game, this year is starting strong
You're wondering why the characters in Tekken 8 are helping Jin/Kazuya, it's really not that hard to figure out. The characters helping Jin know who he is because he was literally the man who started a war, he was the head of the Mishima Zaibatsu in Tekken 6, so people already knew who he was and what was going on to some extent during 6 and 7, and in terms of why they were helping him, well, for one, they knew he was the only one who could stop Kazuya and well, they're fighters so they're gonna fight to help literally save mankind, that's why it was set up in one of the chapters for multiple characters to be at a location altogether. One of the themes that I absolutely loved was that they made fighting more than just knocking out your opponents, they made it out to be a way to connect with each other, people tend to forget that when it comes to martial arts that it's about discipline and patience and heart. That's why I fell in love with Tekken in the first place, because it doesn't rely on shock value like Mortal Kombat or being spammy like Street Fighter. It requires actual time and patience and learning.
Eh, it depends on what character you're playing as.
"not being spammy", proceeds to cry in KBD and EWGF.
Doesn't change the fact, that alot of it is rushed and unearned. If the story was more proper in building relations with characters (example, Asuka and Jin who are freaking related) it would make sense. But we got none of it. Yes he's the only one to stop Kazuya but for one, a lot of them shouldn't be quick to trust him or let alone forgive him
Naaaahhh.... this is peak.
King making Jaguar noises and actually hyping up the morale of the soldiers was amazing; Fuckers started chanting in the middle of a war because of King.
Steve fucking Dempsey rolling through machine gun fire.
The Sainy Seiya bullshit that shoots them up to space; And fight will falling to the Earth.
Jin fucking cycling through and then mixing Mishima style, Kyokushin Karate, and Kazama style was, to me atleast, the best part of the story mode; Encapsulating Jin's story through his stances and movelist.
STEVE WAS BOBBING AND WEAVING‼️🔥
I love seeing that I wasn't the only person that said that angel jin reminded me of saint seiya 😂
Yeah story mode was raw
While there were improvements in Tekken 8's story (like with characters that haven't interacted with one another from Tekken 7. For example, Shaheen talking with Lili and Asuka which is nice, sweet and one of the endings that I believe is canon. Also, the campaign story even included more characters to the story and not just the Mishimas or anyone related to the Mishimas) I still feel like the story focuses a liiitle bit too much on the Mishimas. I still haven't seen character developments outside of the Mishimas like with Steve and Nina. Seriously, I so want to see them develop, especially Nina.
This is why I lean more into MK 1's characters because we see character developments that are outside of the main characters and that are not Liu Kang and Kitana's family. One of the character developments we see is Johnny Cage. Though he started off as a jerk, he came to understand the situation around him and take the situation a bit more serious. Another is Sindel. She realized and understand Shang Tsung was not who she think she is, coming to understand Liu Kang more, and realizing that Li Mei wasn't the one to blame for Jerrod's death. There's like a LOT more I can talk about on MK 1's character development but I'll leave it at that.
Another nitpick I have is that they STILL don't have Xiaoyu and Alisa becoming best friends in the canon timeline. Sure we see their friendship in the non-canon ones but I really, REALLY love to see it in canon. I especially love their friendship in The Tekken Blood Vengeance movie. It's just so sweet, adorable and innocent. Now, just because I expressed my disappointment, that doesn't mean Harada-san and Bandai should stop making more Tekken campaign stories. Like I said, Tekken 8's campaign story is an improvement from Tekken 7's. They should improve more and more, especially on the characters.
I think they should make Blood Vengeance Canon. Harada did say it's Semi Canon Too why not and it's also the First Time we see True Devil Kazuya(and he was Playable in Tekken Tag 2 Prologue No Hacks Needed unlike Tekken 7 and 8 Version and had a Cool Character Portrait)as well
Whats even funnier is that didn't Jin caused world war 3 on tekken 6? why are they like thinking his the hero all of a sudden?
He put his life on the line to literally saved the world and spared the life of the main villain and move on with his life to never repeat his past mistakes. That's pretty heroic to me.
@@青雷の戦士 It is heroic but still never enough to acquit Jin of war crimes
@@mr.sidecomments9278In Tekken 6 Scenario Campaign if you approach Lei as Jin he says Jin is wanted.
Because it's really not that deep.
Its one of the main plot points in tekken 8
I'm so glad someone addressed this issue, I for one felt as though the story felt rushed in my own opinion.
I don't think the "Cinematic story mode" is the right direction for a fighting game story mode, to be honest, for all the points you mentioned. (IE: Constantly swapping characters, not including the entire cast in the plot, etc... It's especially egregious in Mortal Kombat where the only character who can win a fight is the one you're playing as, making 90% of the villains complete jokes.)
I'm actually really intrigued by the "Micro-RPG" format I've seen some indies take (and also World Tour in Street Fighter 6), as I think that's a far better vehicle to drive a fighting game plot than a bunch of cutscenes you could watch on youtube broken up by the occasional in engine fight sequence.
Wrong, fighting games could succeed in cinematic stories, just need good writers, mk one story always been good rather u like it or hate the villians lmao, sf 5 story was even good cinematically, tekken 8 fight scenes was good, the thing they messed up on was more characters engaging in action, and not much in the story, Bruce Irvin and bob like yeah, story wise, mk better
@@ymkyourmoneyking8157 The problem I'm getting at is that you could take *all the gameplay* out of a cinematic story mode and nothing of value would be lost... I know, because Arc System Works has been doing it this way for YEARS with their random visual novel story modes.
More people watch cinematic story modes on TH-cam than actually play through it themselves.
Hell, NRS's story modes are actively sabotaged by the chapter system. Want a climactic confrontation between renegade student and master? Too bad, Sub-Zero's chapter was 4 chapters ago, it's Raiden's chapter now so he gets to kill Frost while Sub-zero Spectates.
@@kevingriffith6011 mk story is good, that’s subjective, yeah I get what u saying, they put a lot of gameplay elements in the story mode which kind of messed it up, mk had more action aswell and a better understanding of the plot the endings are even canon
It does work and it's a major success cause of it buddy.
@@CrystalMang0 Saying "the cinematic story mode is why MK/Tekken are big successes" Is like saying that a game is doing good because it has a title screen.
The reason MK/Tekken/Street Fighter are doing great right now is because they have real single player content that lasts more than... like an hour, in this respect the rest of the industry is catching up to NRS.
Street Fighter 5 was a huge bomb when it first came out, but it had a full cinematic story mode, too... Marvel Infinite? Big cinematic story mode, also bombed... and I've never heard anyone say that the stories being told in these games are actually good. Fighting games are succeeding right now because they're full games with PvP modes, not a box containing only a PvP mode.
Tekken 6 was the tekken that really lost me. Changing the scale from a family that hates each other to a literal global conflict. Plus making the game more and more anime (Lars and Alisa) has been pretty cringy. Gotta finish what Tekken 6 started. I mean I guess that's the one that started the series having one clear Canon story.
Space ninjas, ninjas with shadow clones (Raven), robots since Tekken 1, Purple winged demons literally based on Devilman Crybaby, but Tekken 6 made it anime?
You're a clown lmao, stay in denial, Tekken has been this way.
Yes tekken 6 ruined everything. Lars/Naruto and the Russian robot speaking Japanese literally ruined the tekken lore. Not to mention how pathetic they made Azazel
@@darkseidistheboss5781 🤡
Jin and Kazuya giant laser beams into space while flying with wings
"But Lars is evil Naruto character because lightning even though all Mishima's have had lightning since Tekken 1, and every character has Ki and Ki Charge is a literal mechanic. Oh btw i'm mentally touched"
@@darkseidistheboss5781 right
I haven’t played a Tekken game since 4, simply because I’m not a big fighting game fan. But what you’ve detailed here has actually kind of sold me on 8. I might actually get hold of it at some point
I might actually get hold of it at some point = I wont purchase the game
I mean the story was always "oh no Devil Gene" and "who will throw who off of the side of a cliff" since T2
I always seen it as that, I don't think we're supposed to take it seriously, not sure why people are. It's just telling a story in the world that was constructed, and the more straight they play it, it's still epic even if it's in a bubble alongside killer pandas, boxing kangaroos and alien samurai. It's even structured around the Iron Fist Tournament, which will always be put in place by a Mishima, they just are the main characters lol
It's literally just anime, even Harada was about to leave Tekken back when T4 tried to straighten things out and make it "serious" (as it could be); Like I haven't played T8's story mode yet, but p sure it'll come down to "Devil Gene bad" and "Which Mishima will win for the fate of the wooorld" and that's fine. T9 and T10 will probably carry that theme on and it's fine too 'because' you have all of the rest of the world inhabited by cyborg ninjas and fighting animals and superhero Luchadors
It seems dumb if you look at it directly, but if one just un-wedgies themselves they might feel like it's fine, it's fun dumb action schlock played hilariously straight, and from that you get epic moments that stick because it's so true to itself. That's Tekken for me personally, been playing off and on since T2 lol
The whole war battle in the story mode had me laughing a lot. They were so obvious with Reina had a big secret. Should've been subtle. Tekken fighters are immune to guns too?
This game was great. Jin's Full story is up if anyone wants to learn Jin's plot line, its 3 hours long and will still leave you a bit confused.
Jin's story isn't over
Bro will comeback in tekken 9 and will always be in the game until tekken's story isn't finished
And it makes sense cuz he didn't killed kazuya, kazuya is alive and a person like kazuya will sure take revenge from jin and will be more blood lusted to kill everyone but also jun came at the end to injured kazuya so let's see what will happen also devil gene isn't gone cuz reina still has it
Soo wait until next 9 years until tekken 9 comes until then enjoyyy
Ok but that bit where devil Jin has to free Jin and the camera angle switches and snow castle starts playing is one of the best story moments in any game
It's shocking how Miguel wasn't in the roster and the story because Jin is why his wife was killed after he became a leader of Mishima zaibatsu I am surprised if he's gonna be a DLC character.
His sister wad killed.
Colonel Sanders from MGS Rising had me dying
Great video dude. I agree that the Arcade Quest mode was clever with its commentary. I'm loving this game so far and am finding it to be a highlight of the series.
I think Tekken 4 was the first time that EVERYONE had their own story and it flowed not only into other characters, but still wasn’t outshined by the Mishima bloodline feud. I was legit invested in Nina and her connection to Steve, and Lei Wulong unsuccessfully chasing her 😂. I also thought Paul wasn’t a joke in this, and even in his ending, he goes back to his roots after realizing that he sold out to be a rich guy when he’s not that type of person. After 4, it all went downhill lore wise.
sigh.... i know right? i was invested in asuka and jin in t5 but we all know how that turned out
@@francisdolarhyde1866 I developed an entire storyline for Asuka when I saw her. She could have been the balance between Kazuya and Jin by aligning with Kazuya and giving him a redemption arc because she was causing him to become more good through her powers. Then Jin would be conflicted because Kazuya isn’t as evil as he thought…BUT…they invited Jin’s mommy back instead…and made Asuka become discount Sakura from Street Fighter.
Honestly while purely from a real world stand point Jin shouldn't have been forgiven for what he did. From a thematic story element, I think 8 does a decent job of getting the audience behind Jin, in his quest to make up for what he's done in the past and makes you root for him to get his happy ending.
@@c4du876 And frankly that would have been shit.
Why is everyone take seriously the story when we have robo waifu, boxing velociraptor and kangaroo,mishima style karate bears?!☠️
Because people are idiots who create problems out of everything.
I have been going through a bit of transition in my life and it has a lot to do with self acceptance. I resonated so much with the story especially Jin's struggle to protect yet still causing havoc because he tries it all on his own and other similar themes of seeing his wrongs in Kazuya. I loved the ending and everything in it. Though the only drag I really had was all the third person waves of soldiers and Jacks. It was cool for the first 2-3 rounds but man that was a grind on the hardest difficulty. Really hope T8 will continue so I don't wait a decade for the Reina arc
you will never be a woman
I enjoyed T8's story, flaws and all, but I can't shake off the feeling that T4 is still the best in Tekken series when it comes to world and character building. The artstyle, the ambience and grittiness created a certain sense of realism with minimal effort. I always got so pumped when starting a story mode and hearing the announcer talk about a character while a slideshow rolled with an unique artstyle and badass music, it's crazy how effective it was. And this kind of approach to story gave developers a lot of room to grow as you're not really sure which endings are canon so there always was this intrigue and mystery as what is waiting in the future installment.
TEKKEN story thrives on character motivations and is at its most effective when the lore logistics and details are obscured, it just feels so raw. TEKKEN 8's story felt so many times like the characters are monologing in front of each other instead of really interacting. Kazuya and Jin were so detached from one another, they mainly talked to each other in platitudes.
The individual character endings are all still here. There are three separate story modes when you add the endings of Arcade and Arcade Quest!
Keep watching the video!
@@WritingOnGames
I did but my reason for leaving the comment with the name of the video was an argument against the title. You made the point against the title yourself so there was no need.
Lowkey I loved the intro to the story of 6 with it looking like Jin had become a world villain and Kazuya had become the world’s savior just because he wants to kill Jin. Other Characters draw party lines, especially characters you wouldn’t think would be important. But it ultimately made it “well hear him out.” But 7 was ok-ish, 8 seems way to convoluted and shoehorned other characters in and made it so much more PG 13 friendship heavy.
Personally my issue with the story was Reina. She was great and I loved every moment of her, up until the very end when she gets a devil form. T8 was a resolution to Tekken's story up till now but her gaining a devil gene seems like going back to the PS1 days
I loved tekken 3, I later got Tekken 4 and I think maybe even 5? But I did not sense the same playfulness. Maybe just nostalgia, even in those days. Until today I thought I always misunderstood Tekken, but now you make me believe that tekken 8 might just be for me.
To everyone saying to not take tekken's story seriously or seeing putting any effort into doing so as waste of time,
Are you also the type of person to excuse weird writing in kid's shows just because they're meant for kids?
Because its sort of thought terminating, people should be allowed to take narratives as seriously as they want if the story expects you too aswell, there isn't some weird insincere part of main plot where anyone really goes "Oh _wooww_ , what do you call yourself now?, 'Angel Jin', thats _shtooopud_ "
It isn't like he's trying to criticize how its out of character for Kazuya to have a hobby in owning a collection of expensive foot wear...
That's the thing, you can't use the 'don't take it seriously' stance and also say 'Oh, I was moved by this story'. You can like a story, but if people criticize the story you can't deflect just for the sake of not hearing plotholes.
Tekken won’t be nominated for an oscar, we get it. Treat it for what it is, a fighting game.
Exactly why as a casual fan, I will not be buying Tekken 8 and will be buying Yakuza.
@@cartoonvideos5oh no 😢
@@cartoonvideos5 why would ever buy a fighting game for it's story, are you stupid?
@@dylanblack8714 Namco is very sad
@@cartoonvideos5 Bandai Namco is shaking their boots when you said you won't buy Tekken 8
Dude you're so right about the story. Prior to T6, it was way more fun to piece the story together with the little tidbits we got, rather than having the whole thing shoved in our faces, with too much focus on the Mishima saga to boot.
T8 finally managed to get it right, balancing everything to be a fantastic game for everyone.
As far as Jin's story goes, I view this as the third instalment in a trilogy. With the first two being T3 and T5. After waiting nearly 20 years, I have finally gotten a worthy sequel to T5 😊
Tekken 8 story should be multiverse
You are literally me. My heart pumps and bleeds Tekken. Like you, I am also terrible at it. I’ve been playing since 2009 and I am by no means a pro player
I feel like Teeken story is at a point where they could probably explore or experiment with new main characters, now that the mishima rivalry looks to be put to rest.
I hope they do because at this point, it would be really tiresome and boring to see this Mishima family feud continue any longer.
@decadentgamer3Md108 and maybe give us another time skip tbh
@@Dragoncam13 Yeah like what they did with Tekken, that would be good about now.
@@decadentgamer3108 exactly cause I think chronologically in the series it's 1998 now while in the real world its almost 30 years later
Tekken story should be multiverse
The main reason the story resonated with me is because I'm a martial artist and this story works when they talk with their fist.
Also in Arcade Quest I saw myself in Jet, dude wants to have fun and see some stylish moves, doesn't matter if he wins or loses as long as it's a good match.
I don't know what they can do going forward.
The Mishima war was the main pillar of this story. Now, with no Heihachi, no Devil Kazuya, no Devil Jin, what are we doing, what is left to be told ?
Reina becoming the main villain ? Don't make me laugh, she's cool, no problem, but the job is too big for her, she's not enough.
Introduce a new plot
The devil gene can still be there,just not the main focus
The Story of the Hachijos.
I love the convoluted silly storry.
But give me more of paul and law for sure.
I hope they go 4esque for 9 and make a smaller grounded story in scope.
Id like more eddie though.
I love tekken more than anything but that story was incredibly disappointing. Reina seemed really forced really dislike the direction it took. That ending wasn't even close to 7s ending.
Wild
%$# reina and lars, %$#'em to hell
My thing is since the Devil Gene is gone his come Jin still has the mark on his arm? And if they release a new Tekken game I feel like we’re gonna miss Devil Jin and Devil Kazuya
With Devil Jin gone we have a freue charakterslot
I actually disagree about victor and his motivations being “unclear”. He sees the video of Kazuya and says that they can’t let that happen. That’s enough for him to be on Jin’s side
“We’ve defeated Azazel and the origin of the Devil Gene.”
Reina, who is probably related to a different devil if she’s not Jin’s blood sister that Jun forgot: “Nah, I got a final form now.”
Idk about her bring Kazuya’s sister(?) and having so much Hachi obsession despite us never seeing them together. She mentions him like every two sentences after the reveal, and it just hurts her character.
Reina should have been Kazuya's daughter. Would have made much more sense.
@darkseidistheboss5781 I think they didn't do that to dodge the Kazuya/Jun/Jin perfect family fan upset. Most tekken fans want the 3 to reunite and become an actual family. So having an illegitimate daughter from Kazuya from some random woman would've pissed a lot of them off
@@SparkZ1420 agreed but then they should not have done anything at all, because her being Heihachi's daughter makes no sense at all. Namely:
1) Heihachi has no devil gene. If Reina is his daughter then it means she is also Kazumi's daughter and Kazuya's full sister. If that is the case, then they ruined the original trio, especially since Heihachi took measures to replace Kazuya by adopting Lee. Why would he do that if he had Reina already? Obviously Lars the Naruto wannabe makes no sense either...
2) There is such a huge age difference between Reina and Heihachi. If she is Kazumi's daughter, how old is Reina? 45? Kazumi died while Kazuya was still a young boy.
3) Where was Reina all this time? That for me is a huge issue given that it is not the first time that Heihachi is considered dead.
I consider the addition of Reina as super lazy writing by a team that are only concerned with gameplay and nothing else. The story is rubbish, nothing makes sense anymore. It is like watching a dragonball episode.
@darkseidistheboss5781 Point 3 is rather interesting - indeed, where _was_ she all this time?
As for 1 and 2, maybe it's not just the Hachijo clan that possesses the Devil Gene, if Niklas is correct.
It's possible she was conceived after Kazuya's volcano incident (if she actually is younger than Jin), or maybe around the same sort of time as Lars (Heihachi had a lot of illegitimate children, apparently)
that said, did Heihachi personally train her? Did he _know_ about the Gene, and just raise her anyway to kill Kazuya?
@@darkseidistheboss5781 this game does establish that other families have devil gene, so she doesn't necessarily have to be a hachijo.
I finished the storymode and was hoping to see what role Jun played in the story mode , only to find out we just saw her feet at the end. Man I was and still disappointed because I have to wait god knows how many years for Tekken 9 to know what role Jun plays.
Yawn. Tekken Tag 2 Jun Did more then. Actually appears in Tekken Tag 2 Trailer and In the Lars Ending Cooks for the Mishima Family.
I wish you could talk about specifics
10:23 I don't agree with this about the idea being better as something you imagine. Absurd, fantastical, serious and comedic, stories work.
13:14 it's for everyone except everyone who doesn't and will never like Tekken.
To sum it up, the story was Flawed but surprisingly good (kudos for beung creative and putting effort), T4 is still the measuring stick for story telling. Now they gotta improve those shitty character episodes.
Harada said himself that Tekken’s overall story is simple in nature. I do agree that side characters haven’t been used to their optimal potential in story threads, but I feel disappointed that so many criticize Tekken’s humorous bits. People have a laugh and stop being so uptight. Life is too short for that enjoy the bear going after the panda, Kazuya’s sneaker collection, shipping Lars with and android, Law going to heaven to scape debts, Feng Wei getting pissed on by sugar, the idea of Eddie being lucky Chloe’s back up dancer, Jun cooking for everyone and so many humorous instances and get hyped when they do something cool.
I mean... I say at multiple points in this video that I think those humorous bits are some of my favourite parts of the game and its story.
*Spoilers*
I feel like the ending was a little empty. I feel like we need to know what happened to Kazuya afterwards. I honestly want a story mode pt2 DLC. Such a huge climax just ends on a stale note.
Judging by the comments here and the Twitter posts, I'd say many people can agree that T8's story is amazing, with some slight nitpicks aside. Personally, I'd say that it's one of the best Fighting Game story modes in history, maybe second to the entire GG storyline as a whole. Almost every chapter contains several callbacks and references to older Tekken games, and the story is clear enough for first time Tekken players to enjoy too. You can tell how much effort the deva put into this story and I love them for it. This is coming from T7, which was a commercial success despite being under-budget and born from the ashes of the failed TTT2. The devs could've just continued to ignore the story and it'll still sell well, but they didn't.
Ttt2 only failed because of Bad Balance That was never Patched( Death Combos). The Game still has a Great Ost and the Bgm Preview version of Songs are different than Console Version and it has a Big Character Roster and also Looks Graphically Better than Tekken 7.
Calling it amazing is a far stretch, unless you're 15 give or take, then yeah why not. For the veteran, it's serviceable at best.
3-4 hour story for a game that took over 10 years to come out (and given 7's horribly short story where most of it was fighting JACK) is absolutely shocking
Btw id like to apologise to the Asuka mains who thought she was gonna do something
You were definitely a lot more kinder to the story mode than I personally am lol. I'm not trying to be "that" fan and I will say that that Tekken 8 is an improvement of Tekken 7 across the board. The game feels more "Tekken" than Tekken 7 did and when I play the game, it does feel "Tekken"ish (I say "ish" because it sucks how we didn't get Lei Wulong, Eddy, Anna, Julia, and Marduk in the base game).. The game does feel nice to play as well. But when it comes to the story lore and how some characters were handled? I gotta say that it left a lot to be desired. The main highlight was definitely the final showdown between Jin and Kazuya, I gotta admit that I felt the intensity. I also appreciate how they didn't make it easy for Jin, Kazuya was a force to be reckoned with with how he didn't back down multiple times, it was insane lol.
But all the fluff that was leading up to the fight felt so underwhelming. From missing characters who should've been in the story like Eddy (Eddy 's feelings towards Jin after losing his grandmaster), Miguel (Jin's war got his sister killed), and Julia (she learned about the Devil Gene and it would've been cool to see her work with Lee in researching it), Asuka being royally shafted in the story yet again (I really hate what they did with Asuka since Tekken 6. A perpetually angry girl having a pointlessly shallow rivalry with Lili. Even when she learned about her aunt, her reaction was so underwhelming and there was no mention of her once suppressing Jin's devil gene), the tone-deafness with Azucena (the world is in total chaos and all she's worried about is selling coffee? Nonsense and not in a good way....), Reina being artificially shoehorned into the story (we needed time to get to know her before she got shoved into the semi-center of the story), and finally the return of Jun which I'm still split with (Jun is one of my favorite characters but I still remember the old story where she was originally dead which served purpose to Jin's resolve. The explanation they gave on how she survived was so out of hand and is tough for an older fan like me to fully accept).
In fact the later having to do with Jun is my biggest issue with the story as a whole because the story has been a mess ever since they retcon the Devil plot. Originally is was really just an evil entity that Kazuya made a deal with out of desperation to survive the cliff fall and how it ended up consuming his body and would go on to infect his next of kin if something were to happen to his body. When he was thrown into the volcano after losing to Heihachi in Tekken 2, the demonic energy transferred into Jin.
But come Tekken 4, they retcon this by wanting to bring back Kazuya and they had to change it from being a demonic possession to a biological gene so they could have both Kazuya and Jin still exist with the devil power. And it just went downhill from there when they brought in Azazel.
I'm sorry but I much prefer the old story, it felt more natural compared to what they cobbled up. Tekken 4 did so much for the characters outside the Mishima family and it's such a shame how shafted a lot of them were treated post Tekken 4.
But all this aside, I don't want to act like Tekken 8's story is the absolute worst campaign, there have been much worse out there. And there's no denying that Tekken 8 is a pretty good game, a step up from Tekken 7 which almost felt sorta foreign.I know that story isn't the most important thing in a fighting game and that's why I don't hold the lackluster story against an otherwise solid gameplay experience.
Jun was Missing. She was never confirmed Dead in Tekken Storyline
@@hurricane7727 Yes. Yes she was. I'm talking back around in 1997 to about 2004 or 2005 (after Tekken 5 released and they were getting ready for the Dark Resurrection oort). During that time, Jun was said to be dead.
@@decadentgamer3108 She was Stated Missing not Dead. Harada Himself never Said She was Dead
Did they change Jin’s rage art?
Yes (for story mode only)
Many complain about story modes in fighting games lacking consistency due to playing as one character for a series number of matches then onto the next. The story in Tekken 8 is better structured because you bounce between characters.
Tekken 4 still has the Best Story Mode then. All Characters had Great Storylines.
idk why but tekken 8 has the weirdest endings.
Lol. You mean bears floating in space on a date, isn't normal
@@bigmo2 🤣🤣
Been binging your channel for the last few days and love your perspective on games.
Also I recommend watching Purposeless Rabbithole’s video on Kane & Lynch 2 I feel like you would like his perspective on the art behind the game
Honestly, while it was cool to see the Arcade Endings return, they were so underwhelming compared to previous offerings its tough to see them as a positive. They're bland, unfunny and often just repeat jokes that were done better in the previous games (seriously, compare Law's T8 ending to his T5 one, it's like night and day despite sharing the central joke). Whether you are looking for serious character development, or, like me, you just want some goofy shit to laugh at, it's a massive disappointment. Add to that the fact that they still haven't caught up to T5's pre- and post-fight sub-boss cutscenes, and it's not a very compelling package. Kazuya's ending was the only decent one in my opinion.
Same. I just finished all of them earlier today and the only one that I liked was Jun's (envisioning a future where Jin and Kazuya got along though it would've been nice if they dressed them in normal clothes) and Jin's (just seeing the guy be at peace for once). Kazuya's was okay but I never liked the dialogue writing for him. That said, everyone else felt either bland, pointless, or rushed, especially with how they forced the characters to interact with each other more which normally would be nice, but this late in the game and with how a lot of the endings lacked NPCs to fill the world, it just felt very awkward.
The bottom line is Tekken 5 & 3 made every character viable for winning the King of Iron Fist Tournament with incredible storytelling for 95% of the characters with a few comic relief characters.
However now, Jin, Kazuya, and Heihachi get all the narrative while a WAR CHEST of characters get no screen time.
Hwoarang should of been the Ken to Jin’s Ryu but not the case, Paul went from major threat Tekken 3 sudo winner to a joke, and someone like Dragunov could potentially progress from mid card guy to main event heel
but nope it’s just the Mishima family everytime
Tekken 5 barely had a story at all. And only tekken 4 and 8 now have any good stories for the characters right now.
@@Ajeez1000 Wang's ending should've been the canon one
@@Ajeez1000 Also the only things T4 and T8 share is a story with positive conclusions/messages, in quality 4 washes 8 by a million miles.
Who's going in the volcano this time?
Plot twist...
This time, Kazuya is going to throw THE VOLCANO into HEIHACHI.
@@kevingriffith6011The volcano actually screams, powers up and turns into Devil-Volcano.
@@kevingriffith6011 Lemme get the popcorn ready for this one
Ngl, I kinda agree with Kazuya's speech. The world is indeed run by spineless cowards relying on weapons. A death tournament is much better than the wars we get nowadays 🤷🏻
Shang Tsung' That's My Tournament!
I wanna say Tekken 8 story was better than mk1.
I wanna say stay off drugs, in no way shape or form is it better, MK 1 story actually made sense considering it’s a new timeline and multiverse
You've basically said "Disney Star Wars is better than Lord of the Rings"... No... Just no but I respect your opinion and have a great day. 😊👍.
@@ymkyourmoneyking8157 I guess it fell flat for me since it felt like onaga should have been the final villian instead of shang tsung
@@cerberusfil3009 I guess it fell flat for me since it felt like onaga should have been the final villian instead of shang tsung
@@Dallazification there’s a part 2 dlc coming for the story, titan shang tsung isn’t bad though, he’s cool, liu kang was depowered so maybe they didn’t want them to fight, reptile and baraka and reptile and kenshi even had good roles, and Johnny cage and more, tekken 8 story felt rushed, mk story is superior, tekken 8 fight scene with Angel jin and devil kazuya was good but should’ve kept fighting in those forms like blood vengeance at least, and flew out of space, they could’ve gave it a dbz type of fight if they were using those forms, I feel like mk have the best movies in fighting games
The story of tekken is confusing because each character has their own beginning and ending.
Even if we focus on heihachi, kazuya and jin the plot gets tricky.
This should have been the last tekken game by making jin beat kazuya.
Even Devil Jin is gone now, Jin being Angel jin could have finished the franchise.
So now the devil gene is gone. That could get boring for tekken 9 gameplay wise. Also would angel jin return?
They should focus on the Hachijos
@@hurricane7727 They're all dead
@ChileanRex how do you know that? I think they are alive somewhere Hidden.
@@hurricane7727 Tekken 8's dlc story confirms Heihachi killed all of them. Reina is the last one
As an avid fan of the series since the first game, I feel that the real issue with the narrative of the game is its lack of focus. The main plot for every other game after the fourth title just became too convoluted in my opinion. I feel that the series would have been better off had they focused primarily on the rivalry between Kazuya and Heihachi. Less is more, so to speak. As for the rest of the cast, I'm a little torn. While I do like the more serious storylines of the past, the comical individual endings for some of them (Steve especially) got a real laugh out of me in this eighth outing of the franchise.
Overall, I'm happy with Tekken 8 as a whole. The storyline is still out there and the final battle wasn't nearly as epic as the one in the seventh game but I feel that it improved in many other areas and is just a blast to play.
Walking tribal tattoo is a very simple and also most accurate description of Jin.
I’m actually glad Jin isn’t as Edgelord as past games and more like his characterization from the anime
I miss that aspect of jin. I'm a real life edge lord myself 😅😅😢
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Can anyone explain this ridiculous auto defend im see in the last battle of story mode? I cant just throw the fight by putting my controller down?
Hate how they handled Reina. She comes off as very mary sue-ish
I'm still mad that some characters never got the closure of their arcs.
* Paul Phoenix never had his rematch with Kazuya, as he considered himself Kazuya's rival.
* Marshall Law's family is still broke and he treated as a joke.
* Steve Fox never had closure with Nina Williams, his biological mother, and never met Anna Williams, his biological aunt.
* Asuka Kazama never did anything of importance and her blood relation with Jin and Jun was ignored in favor of her stupid rivalry with Lilli. Also, her feud with Feng was forgotten.
* Leo never discovered what happened to her mother, who is heavily implied to be involved in the birth of Steve Fox as part of a super soldier project.
Zafina sealing Azazel on her left arm for almost whole year and then got rip off by kazuya easily , she didn't even get a fighting cutscene in story mode😢.
King is a jaguar head. He’s from Mexico City and that’s part of the Aztec culture. Jaguar warriors. I wish they do an eagle custom head as a symbol he leveled up or just a cool custom
7:25 You know what would fix all of this? HIRE PROFESSIONAL WRITERS. Going back to the days of being ignorant and asking for more hokey jokey endings that don't develop the characters in any way will just make things worse.
Not sure if you mention it yet, but the voice actor for hiehachi passed, and the creator of tekken has decided to end the character entirely in respect for them
That is not why dude don't you know when after taking 6 came out hieihci died but what happened Tekken tag 2 hey hot she was brought back with a new actor and was still alive and Tekken 7 but then to his actor died after Tekken 7 so they killed her way before his actor died actress died they replaced him so it has nothing to do with respect otherwise they wouldn't have replaced hiexichi for Tekken tag 2 and Tekken 7 they would have left she gone after takken 6 . They already got a new VA form for the anime so they could easily use that VA for another Tekken game and if you do know what they do a second tag 3 hey hot hiehei going to be in it
When you mentioned that Esport thing about T7 i wanted to do a Daniel Bryan with the YES chants in agreement lol. I had felt they went in the direction of competitive online play overall as opposed to Single player stuff...
I dont blame you for never getting 'better', Im not saying its too hard or that its not worth it; its just that Tekken at a casual level is WAYYY different than Tekken played optimally, you can do silly things, you can use attacks that you like instead of attacks that are good, you dont realize which characters are complete aids and blatantly overpowered in each game and run into them constantly, it might honestly be more fun
Will the family drama end? Nope
Just move on to the Hachijos Storyline then
Tekken is my favorite fighting game series, but when it’s comes to story Mortal Kombat has succeed in the formula better. The lore is much more thought out & expanded across characters, realms, politics, items, deities, etc. It gives every character moments to shine. Tekken 7 failed at trying to be that same approach. I will say Tekken 8 did better but MK still knows how to feel like a more cohesive story.
I get that you prefer Tekken and all, but I would teally love to see you do a similar video about MK1's story 😅
Here, I'll do it for him in few words. Ahem. It's dogshit
Tekken Force should be a separate mode, not just part in the story mode for few characters.
@Tigran-AbazyanI want a coop Tekken force, ala Street of Rage/Final Fight
Tekken 6 had Scenario Campaign
That's the problem with Tekken is the gloss over the other characters and just hand fist em in the Mishima fight.
When a lot of characters went the tournament for riches like Mashel Law who always financially broke abd in debt, to Paul who just wants to be the self proclaimed "Strongest man in the universe", to Yoshimitsu abd Bryan's feud of wanting to kill each other.
We never get to even see the actual tournament which we saw a bit with the story but its just ab after thought.
The thing i like a bit more with Mortal Kombat's story is they include almost every character and every character haves a reak fleshed out part in the story and dont gloss over them to have em just appear in the final battle part with them helping as Jin and Kazuya fight seems dumb.
Also i hated the "Power of friendship" bs trope they used on Jin being able to beat Kazuya with when half the characters shouldn't have that bond with Jin when he literally destroyed the world in Tekken 7. Lars, Alisa, Lee, and Xiaoyu is one thing.
But Asuka (who is his cousin but he doesnt know let alone address it even when they literally had the family tree looking at descendants for jin to help out) as well Lili and Leory Smith shouldn't really help him. Plus why the fuck is Nina loyal to Kazuya? She hated Kazuya it was Anna who was loyal to Kazuya. As well love they still font touch on Steve and Nina's story with Nina being his mother.
Just I feel Tekken needs an expansion story to flesh out these characters more like Mortal kombat since Tekken 6 story was only through the arcade brawler which was okay but kinda shit as well Tekken 7 was horrible being about the journlist getting information about the Mishima clan which was dog shit.
I just never feel satisfied with Tekken's story at all and it seems they went more jokey on all the arcade mode endings which i dont like. I prefer a mixture of joke but also serious endings for characters
A couple of small corrections, MK stories do include every single character in the base roster and not just almost, and Tekken 6 was the one in which Jin tried to destroy the world, not Tekken 7. Other than that you are totally right dude.
@@RoyArkon regardless, it's still insane that MK got their story more organized including their characters but Tekken don't. As well you see them use all the main stages in store mode which Tekken doesn't.
@@davidmarrero9608 110% true dude
Tekken 4 had the Best Story. Compare Tekken 4 Law to Tekken 8 Law.
Which is neat because in Tekken 4 we got to see the other characters living and having their own things to do. With Paul who wanted to be the best fighter, we saw how that affected him where he fell into a depression. Or how they gave Nina some more depth with how she learned how she was impregnated and had a son and her dealing with how to feel about that. I could go on and on with how T4 did a huge service to the other characters outside of the Mishima family.
I also agree with you on how the whole "Power of Friendship" thing felt so heavy-handed, especially when they chucked in characters who he didn't have a friendship with. I also feel like what could've been more interesting is having characters like Eddy and Miguel in the story who would've had to wrestle with their feelings with Jin and wondering how they possibly could forgive him, especially Miguel who's sister was killed because of Jin's war. And maybe having Julia be the voice of reason remembering how her mother (Michelle) taught her how it's not helpful to hold grudges and though she would highly disapprove of Jin's actions from Tekken 6, she could understand his reason and begrudgingly accept it and use that to help bring Eddy and Miguel around. Maybe have Jin pay respects to Miguel's sister and Eddy's grandmother by visiting their graves and apologizing. I know, I know, cheesy as all hell but it would've been better than him just speeding down the highway and meeting Xiaoyu and that is it lol.
And hard agree on Asuka. The poor girl has been heavily shafted since Tekken 6 when they decided to turn her into a perpetually angry girl who has a ridiculous rivalry with Lili that goes nowhere. That plane scene where she learns about the Kazama family tree and how she had next to no excitement or astonishment in learning about her aunt was absolutely annoying. Here she is learning about Jun and she hardly acknowledges it. And there is absolutely no mention of how she once suppressed Jin's devil gene before. I'm soeet, I just hate what they did with Asuka, one of the biggest definitions of wasted potential in the Tekken franchise.
And yeah, Leroy and Lili shouldn't have been so willing to help Jin at all. They made it way too easy there.
I was also bewildered why they had Nina working for Kazuya,. I mean sure, you could argue that Nina has no loyalty and will work with whoever will pay her but Kazuya should've been the last person she would ever consider working for.
And with Tekken 7, the story was horrible and the journalist made it worse though I feel like the journalist should've been scrapped and they should've had Lei be the mouthpiece. Lei is a detective and it would've given a use of one of their characters in a somewhat meaningful way.
I agree that narrative-wise, Tekken hasn't been all that great at all. Tekken 4 was the last time the story was done quite well.
That combo with King just grabbing and slamming only to start the process immediately again was evil
I just wish we could get truly great storytelling in fighting games because they usually have the best lore. I couldn’t help myself but notice all of the dumb or illogical moments throughout this story. I wish it was more grounded instead of this end of the world nonsense. I wish there was more of an OG dragon ball type of feel where it’s just a regular tournament or some other type of story. Idk it just wasn’t very good imo.
Tekken 4 has that Type of Storyline where it was more Grounded. Tekken 5- 8 Has just been End of the World Dragonball Z( You might as well have Goku Vegeta etc as Guest Characters) Type Battles.
I miss Treasure Battle; they need to bring it back. Also the problem with Tekken is the same issue with every Fighting Game: Great Characters and Great Lore falls by the wayside, compared to the focus on Online Competition. It is sad that Fanfiction tells a better story, than most Developers, with their lore.
I hope they add Prototype Jack :DDD
I disagree- Tekken 4 showed other characters can be explored well in canon parts of the story...and while I loved moments in the main story mode.... Tekken 8 fucked up Asuka and Reina, for one. Asuka's healing abilities? Unaddressed, hell shes barely relevant. Reina? Just sequel bait. her story left ambiguous and mostly unknown. For two, the game just...ends. no resolution on Kazuya- he can just continue everything he does as a human next game without much reprocussions, and Jun? Barely appears.
Third- the character story endings? All non-canon joke endings that provide next to nothing, and mostly felt flat as they weren't even that funny. At least 5's joke endings had some relevance and were funny.
And? Jin in Tekken 6 also Did some messed up Stuff Too
@hurricane7727 agreed. Jin was too easily forgiven without enough consequences. Your argument doesn't invalidate mine lol
Asuka has been f-cked ever since Tekken 6 when they decided to flanderize her character. She went from having potential to being reduced to the "angry hot headed girl" who has an ongoing, pointlessly shallow rivalry with Lili. Lili was the worst thing to happen to Asuka because ever since they pitted the two against each other, Asuka's focus was completely lost, Lili is just her anchor at this point. I don't mind her having a rival but it sucks that it became the main thing in her life instead of learning more about her healing abilities and actually being used in the main story. And since they brought Jun back, now it feels like her opportunity was wasted because she could've been the one to help bring Jin back.
That plane scene where she learns about the family tree was so aggravating because she barely had any emotion about it.
And yeah with Reina, personally I hated how they tried to shoehorn into the center stage so quickly. I won't lie, she does feel kinda pointless and makes no sense because if she has the devil gene, wouldn't Heihachi not be pleased about that and would believe that it would consume her like what happened to Kazumi (I still hate this plot change... Eugh). But even trying to go with the motion, we needed more time to get to know Reina before they shoved her into the spotlight like that during the middle act of the game.
facts all around, though I loved Reina personally- just felt like they either needed to do more with her, or save her for Tekken 9. Not this half-ass job they did.@@decadentgamer3108
Its sad 😢how they disrespect the Bruce Lee-inspired character "Marshall Law" smh how can the character look the best it ever has and be the biggest joke in the series....its very sad and disappointing for the writers of Tekken 8 to disrespect Bruce Lee's legacy like that. It's very very disappointing.
Law is now the Clown of the series it's not even funny
Great video as usual
It's a Tekken story, not a Shakespeare masterpiece.
the biggest issue with Tekken is that since it’s a very “Mishima” driven game. The ending doesn’t even conclude the Mishima saga, it only concluded the feud between Jin and Kazuya. This will inevitably cause a lot of fatigue among long time players or lack of interest with new fans. Street Fighter course corrected like 3-4 times. (Playing those games in a linear fashion is a mess) and mortal kombat ended with MK 1 - armageddon, did a soft reboot / retelling of MK 1-4 and added the “what if” scenario (in this case what if Liu kang died before deadly alliance) and ultimately did a full fledged reboot in MK 2023. So Tekken needs to stop with the Mishimas and Devil Gene and either do a spin off where Jin and Kazuya aren’t the main characters but keep the timeline the same, (like Tekken 6 with Lars) do a “next generation “ like what they did with Tekken 3 / Soulcalibur V (extremely risky! SF 3 was universally hated for killing off 90% legacy characters) do a reboot like MK 1 (meh) or not have a plot all together like Virtua Fighter (lol yeah right.) but Namco better do something because if Tekken 9 doesn’t surpass 8 their WILL be diminishing returns. Disney had to pass the torch down to the new Avengers / Star Wars crew like it or not, but that means it’s always fresh in the public eye. If Namco continues on just adding plot after plot, it will inevitably become the “Todd Mcfarlane Spawn” of Videogames.
What’s with Todd McFarlan spawn? Also new gens suck most people don’t want the ogs getting replaced like that
The issue with spawn is that it’s been going on since the 90s and the story hasn’t ended yet.@@bll1
Mk vs Dc Liu Kang vs Raiden was the Opposite of Mk9 where They Fight but Liu Kang at Least didn't Die.I think they should focus on the Hachijos in the Next Game.