EckhartsLadder i would suggest you install some mods (yodenmod 2017, RaW, Thrawns Revenge, Alliance, etc...). Vanilla is nice and all, but you can‘t deny that having the Eclipse in your fleet is pretty badass :)
Well I think the reason why the CR-90 has just Turbolasers is because it was never meant to serve as a anti-starfighter role. The rebel-alliance allready has superiority in terms of fighters. They used this heavily armed and very fast Corvettes to perform quick suprise-attacks on big targets like shipyards or even stardestroyers. They also used them to break through blockades, which is the reason they are also called Blockade-Runners.
The_.Jam._Man Definetly not. Tie Fighters are maybe a bit faster and manouverable, but they lack the Firepower of an x-wing (2 Lasers against 4 and some Proton Torpedos). And most important the Tie has no schields at all, so a single hit can destroy it, while x-wings have very powerful shields for their size. And last but not least the X-wing can travel through hyperspace.
@@mitthrawnuruodo1503 - I agree with you, not only are the Alliance fighters superior on individual terms but arriving already deployed en mass from hyper-space allows instant superiority in numbers of *deployed* fighters. Even with Ties on patrol the great majority of Imperial fighters are bottle-necked inside their carriers at the beginning of the engagement. Only in a pitched battle, like at Endor, where the Imperial forces know battle is immanent could they hope to deploy their fighters en mass, gaining *temporary* numerical superiority.
Sir Aroun exactly what I was thinking, the Rebels generally had far better fighters and the Imperial fighters were not really a threat to the larger Rebel ships. A squadron of CR90s could do some serious damage to a larger capital ship, sure they aren't going to win a slugging match with an ISD but they could maul a medium sized ship or do serious damage to many installations. Given their speed and the typical Rebel hit and run tactics they could be very effective while the typical screening role of a corvette isn't much use to a force that generally avoids stand up fights.
I think you're very perceptive of the logic behind the lore here. Ironically, the ISD II , oft lambasted by Ekhart for it's lack of point defense guns, isn't deserving of this critique: The TIE/ln and TIE/in fighters -were- intended as it's point defense, and a few dozen TIE fighters is no laughing point defense option- especially when they are backed up by ISD II turbolaser fire (Which CAN work well in an anti-fighter role, as long as the fighters keep their distance, something Eckhart misses somewhat about turbo-lasers fairly often- and especially in the case of the Tantive here, those light turbolasers do just fine against fighter threats, as depicted in the lore of both Legends video games, and numerous literary appearances.). It's also worth noting that starfighters, 95% of the time, present almost zero threat to an ISD II, unless they are extremely heavily armed, fielded in numbers, and used with well above average coordination and skill. The TIE gets a bad wrap in the lore, when if you adopt a pan-galactic view, it would eat every fighter it's actually likely to encounter alive in a dogfight, and would almost never be deployed without overwhelming numbers for when it's foes are competitive. If you look at a TIE series fighter, and try to evaluate it as a multirole platform, it's garbage. But it isn't a multirole platform, it's an ultralight fighter specialized in dogfighting, and in this regard, even Wedge Antilles'privately thinks it is the superior starfighter to the X-Wing when evaluated as a pure interceptor, though, of course, he preferred the X-wing's versatility and durability, since, like most sane pilots, his priority was coming home from a fight alive, not necessarily winning. I'm a little surprised he didn't honorable mention the Lancer Frigate (Which while called a frigate, could be compared to the Tantive in overall size), and like the Consular, was nomenclaturally called a frigate. In Legends, this ship, not the raider, was the primary anti-starfighter platform, and, according to lore, outperformed all other such platforms in anti-starfighter roles. (20 quad heavy lasercannons? That's 80 laser cannons! That's a lot!).
The CR90 is a very amazing ship, it can take on ships it's size or bigger, I won't dispute that. But the only reason it made an excellent addition to the RA in it's unmodified form is because the GE had shit fighters. I hate to use SW:Rebels, but Vader alone was able to shoot one of these down, after tearing a new one to all their fighters. Now it may be because of plot armor, but it also had to do with the ship not being made for anti fighter role, which is the role of a Corvette traditionally. When the only reason your ship is effective at doing it's job is due to the enemy being incompetent in theirs, it doesn't really say a lot about your ship.
If we're looking for an anti-starfighter armament in a corvette and light laser cannons, shouldn't we maybe evaluate the Hammerhead Corvette for the alliance instead of the CR-90?
I might be incorrect but I think those were mainly cargo ships that were refitted with light weapons. We don't see them do much shooting. It's more of a transport ship that has some offensive capabilities in my opinion but I could obviously be wrong.
@@zanderhandler129 no. The Hammerhead cruiser from the old republic is a cruiser. The Sphyrna-class Corvette usually called Hammerhead corvette due to its design is a completely different ship
There are quite a bit of grenades like thermal imploder and the sonic imploder and much more in legends the yuuzhan vong had used a snap bug which was like a flash grenade
The Munificent isn’t a frigate. It’s labeled as a frigate because of Republic limits on military shipbuilding, do they had to call it a frigate when it’s really more of a destroyer.
So the corvette should screen and protect the fleet. With turbolasers it can effectively engage or screen against smaller cruisers like the arquitens that we see the empire use alot in the early civil war. Also, they can be used in packs to attack larger ships on the flanks like the unsc used frigates to engage larger covenant vessels. Given the alliance use space superiority fighters, the cr90 doesn't need to engage fighters, the alliance can already do that effectively. By adding more turbolasers you can get surgical strikes on mid-large targets or support fighters against enemy corvettes and screening ships. That's just my defense of the cr90's loadout.
according to the New essential guide to vehicles and vessels a cr90 could have up to 8 turbolasers 6 lasers and 4 ion cannons and the consular cruiser had in addition to the turbolasers 2 concussion missile launchers
samuella owens In the Empire At War RTS games, corvettes like the Rebel Blockade Runner are a screen, but they're a screen against fighters. I can tell you from experience that just a few corvettes can absolutely slaughter pretty much every single TIE Fighter squadron coming after your fleet, so always make sure to have at least three in your fleet for space battles in those games.
Oh I whole heartedly agree that the cr90 is great for that in those games because it uses laser cannons, I play it alot. In this video however he's using canon, as he should do, which uses the cr90's with turbolasers that are ineffective against fighters.
star wars ships are generally designed with hardly a single thought to the effectiveness of said design. keeping that in mind, a corvette (or really a ship of any size class) can be effective in more than one role depending on it's loadout. in a game like starsector for example, the same ship hull can be used to varying degrees of effectiveness in a variety of roles depending on what it is equipped for. a wolf class frigate (a ship roughly equivalent to a star wars corvette) can be armed with multiple point defense lasers, a graviton beam cannon and a pair of swarmer anti-fighter missile launchers, a loadout which is highly effective against swarms of enemy fighter craft. this would allow that ship to defend larger, more valuable ships against strikes from enemy bombers, while also destroying enemy interceptor/ fighter squadrons that might threaten your own fighters. this is the corvette role envisioned by the creator of this youtube video. arming that same wolf class frigate with a heavy blaster cannon (think heavy turbolaser) and a pair of atropos class homing torpedo launchers would give it one hell of a punch when dealing with destroyers or cruisers (although it would still be outmatched in a 1v1 duel due to the frigate grade power core struggling to keep up with the strain of it's oversized weaponry and the pounding it's shields are likely taking.) i... forget where i was going with this. um... starsector is good.
I was a little surprised at your choice for the Empire's corvette. Why didn't you choose the Tartan Cruiser from the Empire At War games? I always saw that thing as the Imperial counter to the Rebel Blockade Runner, and I really hate that ship because it has a tendency to wipe out a LOT of my Rebel Fighters. So I always keep my fighters back until those Tartan Cruisers are all gone.
I suspect it has to do with looking cool. The Tartan class is not as visually interesting as the Raider class, which defiantly looks menacing and like an Imperial design. But yeah, always good to clear out those pesky cruisers before the fighters move in...
schoolterrorist What exactly does the term “point defense” mean? I keep hearing it used in Eckhart’s videos, but I’m still not quite certain what it means.
@Gabriel Drake Point defense is the use of dedicated rapid fire, fast tracking weaponry to take down fighters and missiles. Point defense weapons tend to be too low firepower to work against other warships, but are precise enough and fast firing enough to take on things like a rapidly maneuvering fighter or incoming missile barrage, something a heavy weapon, such as a turbolaser, cannot do effectively. The Empire is particularly bad at this, as evidenced by the slow firing, slow tracking turbo lasers defending the Death Star. If the Empire invested in proper point defense weapons, those would've been much smaller laser cannons like the ones on the Millennium Falcon, and a whole lot more of them. If you want to know about some real world point defense systems, try looking up the Phalanx CIWS (Close In Weapons System)
Man the empire had tons of underutilized corvettes. The Tartan, The Carrack Crusier, The Raider and more. I kind of think that the Raider was an upgrade over the Tartan/Carrack crusier which were used earlier in the empires reign.
Patrick Cox The Carrack-class was a 350 meter long light cruiser though. Also, while putting 20 lasercannons on it is possible and has been done by the Empire a lot in the Expanded Universe, it's main configuration consisted of 10 Turbolasers and 20 Ion Cannons.
1. Can you do a video on mandlorian military ?? What ships they used, military tactics, their influence, etc ?? 2. Life for the common civilian under war 3. Talk about groups or clans like the pirates.
I hate it´s lack of shields, but they are of no use against bombers anyway. The mass drivers are devastatign to any enemy ship and they look very Mandalorian. Plus the cloak, just the self destruct is wrong IMO.
Sim. Frischh In the final battle at the end of the campaign I would just hyperspace one in and immediately self-destruct it to destroy a bunch of fighters/bombers. I had so many of them at my disposal at the end I just used them a purely as a one-time use weapon. Plus I like the power rush lol
I remember seeing the CR-90 being listed as a blockade runner, which makes the turbo lasers, a much better choice for taking down orbital defense platforms while depending on a fighter screen to keep the TIEs at bay
jirl Seidl ya someone else who knows what that ship is, also where did you first see it, i first saw it in star wars intergim mod or sins of a solor empire.
I say the rebel gun boat(the second corvette that the rebels have in Star wars Empire at War i forget the name) over the CR90 due to it can by pass imperial capital ship shielding with it's torpedoes
Well, the passing by enemy shielding is an Empire at War thing. It wouldn’t really work that well in a real scenario, especially considering that proton torpedoes aren’t that great at tracking.
@@a.morphous66 sorry for the late reply, but I think the OP meant Concussion Missiles instead, even though both kind of weapon do ignore shields in EAW. Man, I bet having a Corellian Gunship filled with Proton Torpedoes would be OP, now wouldn't-- THAT'S RIGHT, MON CALAMARI FRIGATE, BABY! FEATURING 4 PROTON TORPEDOES LAUNCHERS, IT FIRES 200% MORE BULLET PER BULLET.
One thing I disagree with Eck here is that a Corvette needs to be anti-fighter vessel. Honestly I believe that it's like a fighter, you can have a bomber armed against capital ships or space superiority fighters or interceptors which fight other fighters and other small ships. For example NONE of these ships except Raider are very versatile because they either have only laser cannons (Consular and Crusader) or only turbolasers (CR-90). The exact thing with support ship is to be able to support other ships, which is why they should either be versatile or you need a couple specialised variants. Look at the Homeworld 2 for example. Hiigarans there have 2 types of corvettes, the regular Gunship and the Pulse Gunship. First one was an anti-fighter unit and the other was anti-corvette and maybe even anti-frigate one. Same with Frigates of which there were 4 types. Elite:Dangerous on the other hand has ships which are extremely versatile as for example Federal Corvette (look it up :3 It looks awesome) can be armed with loads and LOADS of different weapon types, from lasers (3 types of them), multicannons (basically rapid-fire guns which resemble miniguns), cannons, plasma accelerators, rockets, torpedoes and so on and so forth, which allows it to be used in a variety of roles EVEN as a passenger ship :| I don't think the Rebels needed much of anti-fighter unit rather than an anti-capital one, since the Empire has used ISDs most of the time, while against TIEs they could just use their own X-Wings and Interceptors.
Even wwii corvette were abysmal at fighter screans and mostly for patrol. Its only when you get to tye DE platforms where it becomes acceptable and the CL level where it became useful.
It would make no sense for the rebels to turn their corvettes into picket ships. They have much better starfighters than the Empire plus the Nebulon B which is plentiful and has 12 laser cannons and multiple missile turrets. They don't have a good way besides bombers to apply pressure and deal with capital ships, so they outfit their corvettes with an aggressive turbo laser set-up. That makes sense.
The Crusader-class corvette was a vessel of Mandalorian design and make, and it (and its sister classes, such as the Keldabe-class battleship) go to show how far in leaps and bounds the Mandalorians were ahead of the rest of the galaxy in tactical sense and technology even as far as the Galactic Civil War.
what do you mean? the Zaan consortium did not make ships but bought them from Hutts and Mandal motors most of these ships are not even his. it's just rich man buying a army...
Your confusing the roles of a corvette and a picket ship. Picket ships are used for anti star fighter and corvette are used to swarm large capital ships. Corvette are supposed to deal out good damage and use superior speed and maneuverability to avoid enemy fire. Look at how the cr90s are used by the rebels and the consulars are used by the republic. An anti starfighter ship like the crusader and the raider are pickets if you look into the legends you will find dozens of examples of laser cannon only armed ships those are used against fighters like the lancers and the enforcers.
Ecky gets too caught up in the raw stats - which imo in both fantasy and in reality will get you both surprised, then killed - in that order. You need the right tool - for the right role - in the right war. Stats alone are misleading, they're nothing without context.
Those turbolasers are probably for patrolling against smugglers, pirates, armed transports, etc. Stuff that has better shields than a fighter but still needs a bit of speed to catch up with.
Yeah, I think corvettes are more useful in solo missions away from fleets and fighters. I agree that the CR90s heavy armament is probably and extremely effective pirate deterrent. Frigates are support ships in fleets, not corvettes.
That clears up my confusion. I didn't realize this ranking is based on how they would contribute in a fleet engagement, but like you mentioned you probably want something bigger for that role. I guess the rebels don't have any better options. Either way the context wasn't explained in the video or I just missed that part. The Doge is being confusing today!
Correct! Especially in WWII, Frigates and even some Cruiser classes were used as anti-air defense while the battleships duked it out with the big guns and the carriers did their thing with fighters and bombers. Corvettes filled a support role, but not an anti-air role; mainly used for anti-submarine warfare, and to harass the bigger ships on the field.
AgentFrosty Translating these roles into the space warfare of Star Wars can get a bit difficult though, mainly because submarines in WW1 and 2 were mainly used for either commerce raiding or (rarely) destroying single ships that didn't have the torpedoes/bombs to counter them. There are no submarines in space (unless you count stealth ships, but those can't shoot and be invisible at the same time; see the literal Stealth Ship from TCW and the TIE-Phantoms) and the role of small(ish), fast heavy hitters in SW is filled by bombers and superiority fighters. So, in a way, Corvettes are also "anti-submarine" in that there is no real distinction between "air"-craft and submersibles in Star Wars as far as space warfare is concerned.
Loved this episode! Especially because you had Zann's navy's corvette! That has to be the most bada$$ looking corvette there is. Keep up the outstanding work!
In regards to the consular class having turbolasers instead of laser cannons my opinion is that it's fine. You can really have two different types of corvettes, one that's good against small fighters and one thats good against similarly sized vessels i.e. other corvettes. The consular is a corvette killer which is perfectly fine imo. Modern militaries like to have multi-role aircraft and ships but specialized versions have their advantages. Pair up a consular with any of the other 3 corvettes and you have a good little patrol group. The consular can serve as heavy fire support for the other corvette basically and that's awesome. Just look at Star Citizen and it's two corvettes, same deal one is anti-fighter focused while the other is equipped with torpedoes and heavy turret perfect for killing other corvettes and even frigates/destroyers
Sniper .93c sure it's definetly multi-role which is really good in any vehicle but does it do both as effectively? That's always the issue with multi-role platforms, you sacrifice some ability for the versatility. Because of that versatility though I think I'd say the raider is the best corvette
Which faction has the best frigates for republic the acclamator, the rebels nebulan b or Assault frigate, C.i.s munificent , empire arquintens. Just my suggestions ecks can’t wait for more eaw videos on your second channel and keep up the great work on this channel too.
person of the internet. GUIDE ME. i had the game years ago and palyed and then recently got it again and playing and its FUN! but the mods are a tad confusing and I don't quite know what i am doing there. what would you suggest?
Wind Sage Dragon Awakening of the Rebellion/AotR like SemiProParrot99 said, Thrawn's Revenge, Republic at War and Clone Wars 4.0 are some very good mods. There's also "Star Wars Empire at War: Remake" which has really good graphics and polishes a lot of the base game instead of completely replacing everything like the other mods I mentioned do, but it doesn't feature GC's as to my knowledge and the aforementioned graphics, while astonishing, also can slow down your game quite a bit, even if you have a good computer. If you're looking for utter insanity (using SSD's on the ground to give you an idea) and/or less well known Star Wars factions, I'd recommend using Yoden Mod. *Edit* : make sure you install only one mod at a time though.
Philipp Obitz on steam you can view a mods menu in settings to select which one you want to play. I do agree with your mod list however one I really Love is revenge of the mandalorians
Imperial Immobilizer 418 Cruiser vs. Sith Interdictor-class cruiser Which is more powerful, and which can capture more good guys in a certain time limit?
coming up on infra-red I don't think Eckhartsladder has any knowledge of the Replicators But I think I know a weapon that can destroy replicator ships, The Death Star
Not a fan of including the Zann Consortium, they're just a random faction invented for a game. Also I disagree the corvette is just there to defend against fighters. Most capital ships have their own point defense weapons as well. The ships have different sizes mainly because of cost and availability, but this doesn't mean there can't be anti-ship focused corvettes or point defense focused larger ships.
Odds are stacked pretty heavily against Revan there. The chunk of the old republic that Revan took over, even with the Star Forge, does not have anywhere near the resources or available man power that the Galactic Empire does
Which faction has the best Light Cruiser? Ex the Republic Arquitens Class, etc. I know the CIS, Rebels, and Imperials have one too, but I don't know the names (The edit was to add examples)
MC90 Star Cruiser vs Nebula-class Star Destroyer. Vindication-class light battleship vs Venator-class Star Destroyer. Covenant CPV-class heavy destroyer vs MC80 Liberty type Star Cruiser. Yuuzhan Vong Miid ro'ik warship vs Imperial I-class Star Destroyer. The Providence-class carrier/destroyer vs MC80 Home One type Star Cruiser. Bulwark Mark III-class battlecruiser vs Resurgent-class Battlecruiser. UNSC Autumn-class heavy cruiser vs Imperial II-class Star Destroyer. Dreadnought-class Heavy Cruiser vs Acclamator II-class assault ship.
Bruce Jedi Lee When talking about the Bulwark-class Battlecruiser, you have to specify which one: There's the Bulwark Mark 1 used by the Seperatists in the coreworlds around Foreost, there's a Mk. II in the galactic civil war, and then there is the Bulwark Mk III used during the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. I'm just pointing that out because it'd be a shame if Ekhart did this comparison and would give the Resurgent a clear win because "the technology is just so far ahead" that everything else won't matter because he picked the CIS version.
Base corvettes in Most Sci-fi Universes typically take on a purely raiding role when not accompanying a fleet, the tactic of most Sci-fi "Empires" not actively gathering for a large battle seems to be to scatter singular or packs of Corvettes through an enemy's territory to attack mines, stations, listening outpost, or even gang up and wolf pack larger lone capitol ships that may be patrolling an area. Likely you are attracted to the almost starfighter like qualities, while wanting some protection from the typical one shot deaths that starfighters seem to go through, and the most loose regulations that typically accompany the command of a corvette.
Personally I prefer the versatility of a Cruiser, preferably a cruiser playing host to a fighter and bomber compliment, though depending on the universe, that may not be possible for what that universe considers a cruiser sized vessel.
i love destroyers... but not the destroyers you see in star wars, those are closer to what most universes would consider cruisers. i love destroyers which are small to mid-sized, fast, multi-role warships with a heavy armament designed to engage a variety of threats ranging from fighters to huge battleships. their relatively small size and high speed gives them the speed and sensor profile of an effective long range scout, but are still large enough to make long range scouting runs and possess enough firepower to defend themself. a destroyer's heavy battery of point defense weapons (machine guns, autocannons or light laser cannons) allows them to defend convoys (or larger warships) from fighters or missiles. their moderately powerful, but often fast firing main gun turrets (combined with often exceptional speed and maneuverability for their size) allows them to hunt down and destroy smaller ships such as corvettes and frigates, and to put the pressure on larger enemy warships if a sufficient number of destroyers are present. a destroyer's torpedo/ missile armament allows them to deal a powerful blow to ships several times their size, and makes them a threat to even the largest enemy warships. destroyers are great because they can do anything and everything. they are fast enough to scout or hunt down smaller enemy scouts, equipped with enough defensive armament to defend friendly ships, and are well armed enough to participate in huge battles and legitimately threaten much larger ships. destroyers can be anything from the badass underdog to the unyielding sheepdog to the aggressive wolfpack depending on what is called of them at the time.
Could you do a video explaining the different classes of ships. Like the difference between cruisers corvettes dreadnauts destroyers etc. if you already have just ignore this and I’ll find it eventually. Keep up the good work
Yeah... but corvettes have to do ship to ship combat as well as anit-air i.e. WWII. Anti-starfighter would be to gun ships and frigates [anti-air frigates are a thing].
Richard Mc Enteggart yes that’s very true but I do believe that the Venator’s shields could offer a longer holding time I think yes the Epoch would win but the Venator could put up a fight if it could get through the titanium-A-plating from a constant barrage or if it could get a shot in the hanger of the Epoch. I do believe that the Venator is outclassed and would probably lose
XD Venator while one of my favorite star wars ships (purely cosmetics) would get it's ass handed to it, because UNSC fighters would mop the floor with any Star wars fighters, the standard was the broadsword and it had 110mm miniguns and lots and lots of rockets.
Don't think that would be the case Thyre first of all, the Broadsword's Minigun lacks range and accuracy (While they can shred a starfighter if close enough due of the fact it's a slug thrower (thus can penetrate energy shields) the further it gets from it the more useless this weapon becomes as it make it easier to avoid by maneuvering and also due the fact it is a minigun, the longer it fires, the more inaccurate it becomes, not to mention it have's limited ammo) if you compare to lasers and the rockets will barely pack a punch compared to Proton Torpedoes, although it depends of the fighter it's pit against, if it is V-19 Torrent, The broadsword wins (due to the fact the Torrent's Heavy blaster cannons can't penetrate in a few shots and require to be closer to make it effective which can bring it to the minigun's effective range and the rockets don't lock-on as fast as the Broadsword's, for such reason they were phased-out for the Clone Z-95 Headhunter and the ARC-170 as the Clone Wars progressed); if it is the Y-wing then the Broadsword will run with some problems as an Ion Cannon Barrage will surely disable the Broadsword's shields and if it manages to lock it's torpedoes and didn't manage to avoid, the Broadsword's destroyed as it normally fire 2 at a time and that would be more than enough to break the shield and the engine (and with it the entire ship); This can also happen with the ARC-170 but also a pilot might have a hard time lining the minigun to be effective due to the fact that the Rear gunner can still shoot back, also you'll need to take in consideration that is the most armored starfighter the republic have to offer making it hard to destroy, and it's heavy laser cannons can decimate the Broadsword in a couple of volleys
+alpha34098, sorry I only started reading your comment but *Thyre first of all, the Broadsword's Minigun lacks range and accuracy* that is wrong as they operate way beyond the range of even turbolasers in star wars and they are extremely accurate. And the rockets pack way more of a punch than proton torpedos (ignore the numbers and look at feats because star wars numbers are almost all BS.) And the ion cannon would do next to nothing to the broadsword because they have countermeasures against that because all covie weapons are ionized to make EMP's. And uhh no star wars fighter will ever and I repeat ever be able to get into their effective weapons range before the broadsword lights em up and the UNSC utilizes basic AI on the broadsword to help with tracking so they would not be able to avoid it and the broadsword has bean shown to take heavy damage on the scale of a medium turbolaser for a while.
i have a question that diverts a little from your usual thing of "what is best among X?" so see, we have a thing going on where our own galaxy, the milky way, will one day collide and combine with the next galaxy over, the andromeda, to turn into a bigger galaxy called milk-dromeda. no i am not kidding. anyways, take one sci fi story and put it in the milky way, and take the other and put it in andromeda, and ask the question of how would they react to one another. and imo this would work best for WH40k since outside of FTL, as you mentioned, WH40k crushes basically everything else. asking how would each galaxy go about living with the other guy would be more interesting than "oh hey the space marine librarian just got a room full of jedi masters to die by exploding their internal organs with warp magic" (and rather obviously i kinda want to hear star wars and WH40k coming together. though with star wars it might be a little messy since you have to chose which trilogy to use. original, prequel or reboot. WH40K has stayed largely the same for quite a while, the biggest changes being the addition of the Tau, the resurrection of Guilliman and the 13th Black Crusade which split the galaxy in half )
I would definitely pick the Raider Class Corvette. It represents what the Empire should have done with their Imperial-II Class Star Destroyers. Turbolasers AND Laser cannons
Dp20 frigate vs Brahatok gunship Rebel alliance fleet at Scarif vs Plo Koons fleet against the Malevolence Thrawns fleet at Attalon vs CIS Fleet at Kamino MC75 cruiser vs Secutor star destroyer Mandadator IV dreadnought vs asertor/executor super star destroyer 8th attempt please EckhartsLadder
VF-1s Valkyrie variable fighter from SDF Macross (not Robotech) vs the Zeta plus Gundam. Thunderbolt starfury from Babylon 5 vs Sabre from Halo reach. YF-30 Chronos from Macross 30 vs the Gaia Gear Alpha from Gundam Gaia Gear.
If it was me, I would have the counselor cruiser at #4, CR-90 at #3, raider at #2 and crusader at #1. The "Crusader" is my absolute favorite cruiser, of course, I would add a few more heavy weapons to it to give it that, much more, over powered defense. Perhaps add a turret for a mass drive cannon, to help increase it's combat flexibility. I wonder what kind of illegal modifications could this ship take, if I was a bounty Hunter?
probs clones in first place. First Order in second place. Empire in third place. Rebels in last. (Didn't count separatists cause they were droids so they didn't have training)
+beast ICY, UNSC had better training than some parts of the Imperium of man but if you do bring them into this you have to specificy what planet and what regiment XD and what kind of troop but overall the Forerunner from halo take the cake because to be their special forces you have to change your entire body for it, be born for it, spend millions of years training for it, and then be lucky enough to be noticed among the quintillions of others.
The Raider was first designed by FFG (Fantasy Flight Games) for their X-wing minis game. It was later grandfathered into cannon by BFII. That being said the lore on the Raider says while it can function as a picket/corvette support ship it was designed to operate alone specifically to counter the Rebels fighter superiority. The Rebels loved using their hyperspace capable fighters to do hit an run attacks on Imperial targets. Since TIE's didn't have hyperdrives the Imperials could only count on local TIE forces to counter the Rebels. This is where the Raider came in. Raiders were deployed on patrols in ones and twos in areas that didn't justify the resources of a Star Destroyer; places perfect for Rebel Starfighter raids. They were equipped with fast hyperdrives (by capital ship standards) and could respond to distress calls quickly. The ideal scenario for them would play out similar to the Battle of Scariff minus all the capital ships. Rebel fighters come in and start hitting things while the local garrison tries to hold them off as best they can. Distress signal goes out and shortly after a Raider or two show up out of hyperspace (ala Vader at Scraiff). Raider then starts gunning down fighters as they try to break off their attack and escape to hyperspace.
I‘ll stay with my trusty Tartan class corvette. You know, those B-Wings can really make one struggle when you are attacking (also f*** Red Squadron, i hate them)
I´m not surprised that you chose the Zann Consortuim, it fields a Mandalorian design after all. But about the "best corvette", my choice would be the Raider, mostly because it seemed to have two pros the others lack: 1. missile launcher! Nothing better against incoming bombers 2. from the looks of it i think it is the smallest target due to it´s sleek design.
The rebels needed capitol ship killers and the CR90 was the perfect fit, if you have two of those vs a star destroyer i'd vote the CR90 any day, the rebels already had fighter supiriority, so why get laser cannons? CR90's are meant to be cap killers, thats why they're also called blockade runners.
completely disagree on the CR90, the hit and run tactics of the rebellion doesn't do well with dedicated anti fighter vessels, especially since the alliance had some of the best star fighter pilots to ever come out of the galaxy. its not suited to the classic corvette role, and i think its unfair to judge a heavy assault configuration against a dedicated anti fighter role. not that the empire could hit anything xD
the problems i have with that corvette from the zann consortium is that it has a rather large profile from nearly any angle for a ship of it's size, and also that it's turret placement is rather poor. it's firing arcs are restricted by their placement in such a way that the majority of it's weapons cannot fire in any one direction, and this is a critical flaw in a small, fast and maneuverable ship such as a corvette. from both a practical and an aesthetics perspective, the raider class corvette is the superior ship in most respects. it has a slimmer, sleeker profile which decreases the target cross section, and the shape of the vessel allows it's weapons to have much better wider firing arcs. not only can it concentrate seemingly most if not all of it's weapons directly forward, giving it a degree of effectiveness against larger capital ships which would not normally be achievable by a craft with such light armament, but the wide firing arcs also increase it's weapons effectiveness in an anti fighter role as well. it's blind spot towards the rear, while a notable weakness, is not as great a flaw as it would be on a larger, less maneuverable ship, as the corvette has the agility necessary to shake off most pursuers.
Hello Eck. I recently started playing Battlefront II, and am loving it. Actually, I recently got a PS4 and got back into console gaming, and though I did this just for SW:BF2, I am surprised at the other free games available to play. One in particular, DREADNOUGHT, I wish they would make a Star Wars variant of for flying and fighting with capital ships.
any of the last 2 could of been configured to anti fighter role but the Raider is best in my opinion its better to have weapons and not need them then to need them and not have them.
Over triple digits trying and gonna continue! Recusant Class Light Destroyer vs Something (Acclamator, Assault Frigate, MC40, etc) Best Frigate Best Carrier Best Tactics
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EckhartsLadder
Already have, love your empire at war series.
EckhartsLadder i would suggest you install some mods (yodenmod 2017, RaW, Thrawns Revenge, Alliance, etc...).
Vanilla is nice and all, but you can‘t deny that having the Eclipse in your fleet is pretty badass :)
Your song is pretty depressing
Like it gets stuck in my head and bums me out. I have to listen to alot of metal, jazz, rock and even sunshine songs to get it out my head
EckhartsLadder which faction has the best frigate
Chevy has the best corvette
Wait he has a corvette?
Lol agreed
@@jayvhoncalma3458 wait he has a corvette
What’s a corvette
F a car
Well I think the reason why the CR-90 has just Turbolasers is because it was never meant to serve as a anti-starfighter role. The rebel-alliance allready has superiority in terms of fighters. They used this heavily armed and very fast Corvettes to perform quick suprise-attacks on big targets like shipyards or even stardestroyers. They also used them to break through blockades, which is the reason they are also called Blockade-Runners.
tie fighters > x-wings
The_.Jam._Man Definetly not. Tie Fighters are maybe a bit faster and manouverable, but they lack the Firepower of an x-wing (2 Lasers against 4 and some Proton Torpedos). And most important the Tie has no schields at all, so a single hit can destroy it, while x-wings have very powerful shields for their size. And last but not least the X-wing can travel through hyperspace.
@@mitthrawnuruodo1503 - I agree with you, not only are the Alliance fighters superior on individual terms but arriving already deployed en mass from hyper-space allows instant superiority in numbers of *deployed* fighters. Even with Ties on patrol the great majority of Imperial fighters are bottle-necked inside their carriers at the beginning of the engagement. Only in a pitched battle, like at Endor, where the Imperial forces know battle is immanent could they hope to deploy their fighters en mass, gaining *temporary* numerical superiority.
@@bjmaguire6269 You have a good point there. Never really though about that one. Makes The Alliance Fighters even more superior.
@@mitthrawnuruodo1503
But the resistance downgraded the Original firepower and strategies of the Alliance with ineffective bombers and etc.
I think you missed the point of the CR90, the rebels did not have a lot of caps, thus they need a cap killer not the flak boat.
But CR90's can't take on ISD's.
Sir Aroun exactly what I was thinking, the Rebels generally had far better fighters and the Imperial fighters were not really a threat to the larger Rebel ships. A squadron of CR90s could do some serious damage to a larger capital ship, sure they aren't going to win a slugging match with an ISD but they could maul a medium sized ship or do serious damage to many installations. Given their speed and the typical Rebel hit and run tactics they could be very effective while the typical screening role of a corvette isn't much use to a force that generally avoids stand up fights.
additionally, the consular had the same idea- the seps had a lot of heavy, armored cruisers and battleships
I think you're very perceptive of the logic behind the lore here. Ironically, the ISD II , oft lambasted by Ekhart for it's lack of point defense guns, isn't deserving of this critique: The TIE/ln and TIE/in fighters -were- intended as it's point defense, and a few dozen TIE fighters is no laughing point defense option- especially when they are backed up by ISD II turbolaser fire (Which CAN work well in an anti-fighter role, as long as the fighters keep their distance, something Eckhart misses somewhat about turbo-lasers fairly often- and especially in the case of the Tantive here, those light turbolasers do just fine against fighter threats, as depicted in the lore of both Legends video games, and numerous literary appearances.). It's also worth noting that starfighters, 95% of the time, present almost zero threat to an ISD II, unless they are extremely heavily armed, fielded in numbers, and used with well above average coordination and skill. The TIE gets a bad wrap in the lore, when if you adopt a pan-galactic view, it would eat every fighter it's actually likely to encounter alive in a dogfight, and would almost never be deployed without overwhelming numbers for when it's foes are competitive. If you look at a TIE series fighter, and try to evaluate it as a multirole platform, it's garbage. But it isn't a multirole platform, it's an ultralight fighter specialized in dogfighting, and in this regard, even Wedge Antilles'privately thinks it is the superior starfighter to the X-Wing when evaluated as a pure interceptor, though, of course, he preferred the X-wing's versatility and durability, since, like most sane pilots, his priority was coming home from a fight alive, not necessarily winning. I'm a little surprised he didn't honorable mention the Lancer Frigate (Which while called a frigate, could be compared to the Tantive in overall size), and like the Consular, was nomenclaturally called a frigate. In Legends, this ship, not the raider, was the primary anti-starfighter platform, and, according to lore, outperformed all other such platforms in anti-starfighter roles. (20 quad heavy lasercannons? That's 80 laser cannons! That's a lot!).
The CR90 is a very amazing ship, it can take on ships it's size or bigger, I won't dispute that.
But the only reason it made an excellent addition to the RA in it's unmodified form is because the GE had shit fighters. I hate to use SW:Rebels, but Vader alone was able to shoot one of these down, after tearing a new one to all their fighters. Now it may be because of plot armor, but it also had to do with the ship not being made for anti fighter role, which is the role of a Corvette traditionally.
When the only reason your ship is effective at doing it's job is due to the enemy being incompetent in theirs, it doesn't really say a lot about your ship.
If we're looking for an anti-starfighter armament in a corvette and light laser cannons, shouldn't we maybe evaluate the Hammerhead Corvette for the alliance instead of the CR-90?
True it would be less of a loss than losing a cr 90
I might be incorrect but I think those were mainly cargo ships that were refitted with light weapons. We don't see them do much shooting. It's more of a transport ship that has some offensive capabilities in my opinion but I could obviously be wrong.
@@markgeorge2200 Nah man, Hammerheads have been combat ships for thousands of years in the Star Wars universe.
@@zanderhandler129 no. The Hammerhead cruiser from the old republic is a cruiser. The Sphyrna-class Corvette usually called Hammerhead corvette due to its design is a completely different ship
@@markgeorge2200it had 3 double laser cannon turrents and four single laser cannon turrets
I don't think this would make a factions video but you should do a video talking about grenades in the star wars universe.
lol
do they even have grenades besides the thermal detonator?
Lonely Kiddo Ion grenades and I pretty there are like gas grenades and such because it's warfare
Lonely Kiddo I believe so. I know they have like mini emp, gas and thermal. Just thought it would be cool for an in depth look
There are quite a bit of grenades like thermal imploder and the sonic imploder and much more in legends the yuuzhan vong had used a snap bug which was like a flash grenade
Is Chevrolet a SWs faction? If it is they definitely have the best Corvette...
Alex Byron ZR-1 class baby!
beep boop
Idk about Corettes, but they certainly do have some nice cars
Are you going to do like a Crusier or Frigate versus.
That would be cool
I'm all for a good cruiser versus. Gladiator Star Destroyer might fit into this category.
The Munificent isn’t a frigate. It’s labeled as a frigate because of Republic limits on military shipbuilding, do they had to call it a frigate when it’s really more of a destroyer.
A Destroyer versus would also be cool.
What about the Lancer frigate
So the corvette should screen and protect the fleet. With turbolasers it can effectively engage or screen against smaller cruisers like the arquitens that we see the empire use alot in the early civil war. Also, they can be used in packs to attack larger ships on the flanks like the unsc used frigates to engage larger covenant vessels. Given the alliance use space superiority fighters, the cr90 doesn't need to engage fighters, the alliance can already do that effectively. By adding more turbolasers you can get surgical strikes on mid-large targets or support fighters against enemy corvettes and screening ships. That's just my defense of the cr90's loadout.
according to the New essential guide to vehicles and vessels a cr90 could have up to 8 turbolasers 6 lasers and 4 ion cannons and the consular cruiser had in addition to the turbolasers 2 concussion missile launchers
samuella owens In the Empire At War RTS games, corvettes like the Rebel Blockade Runner are a screen, but they're a screen against fighters. I can tell you from experience that just a few corvettes can absolutely slaughter pretty much every single TIE Fighter squadron coming after your fleet, so always make sure to have at least three in your fleet for space battles in those games.
Oh I whole heartedly agree that the cr90 is great for that in those games because it uses laser cannons, I play it alot. In this video however he's using canon, as he should do, which uses the cr90's with turbolasers that are ineffective against fighters.
star wars ships are generally designed with hardly a single thought to the effectiveness of said design. keeping that in mind, a corvette (or really a ship of any size class) can be effective in more than one role depending on it's loadout. in a game like starsector for example, the same ship hull can be used to varying degrees of effectiveness in a variety of roles depending on what it is equipped for.
a wolf class frigate (a ship roughly equivalent to a star wars corvette) can be armed with multiple point defense lasers, a graviton beam cannon and a pair of swarmer anti-fighter missile launchers, a loadout which is highly effective against swarms of enemy fighter craft. this would allow that ship to defend larger, more valuable ships against strikes from enemy bombers, while also destroying enemy interceptor/ fighter squadrons that might threaten your own fighters. this is the corvette role envisioned by the creator of this youtube video.
arming that same wolf class frigate with a heavy blaster cannon (think heavy turbolaser) and a pair of atropos class homing torpedo launchers would give it one hell of a punch when dealing with destroyers or cruisers (although it would still be outmatched in a 1v1 duel due to the frigate grade power core struggling to keep up with the strain of it's oversized weaponry and the pounding it's shields are likely taking.)
i... forget where i was going with this. um... starsector is good.
At the same time the cr-90 tends to be paired with the dp-20 Correllian Gunship corvette that has missles.
I was a little surprised at your choice for the Empire's corvette. Why didn't you choose the Tartan Cruiser from the Empire At War games? I always saw that thing as the Imperial counter to the Rebel Blockade Runner, and I really hate that ship because it has a tendency to wipe out a LOT of my Rebel Fighters. So I always keep my fighters back until those Tartan Cruisers are all gone.
I suspect it has to do with looking cool. The Tartan class is not as visually interesting as the Raider class, which defiantly looks menacing and like an Imperial design. But yeah, always good to clear out those pesky cruisers before the fighters move in...
schoolterrorist What exactly does the term “point defense” mean? I keep hearing it used in Eckhart’s videos, but I’m still not quite certain what it means.
Interesting. Thanks for the explanation.
@Gabriel Drake
Point defense is the use of dedicated rapid fire, fast tracking weaponry to take down fighters and missiles. Point defense weapons tend to be too low firepower to work against other warships, but are precise enough and fast firing enough to take on things like a rapidly maneuvering fighter or incoming missile barrage, something a heavy weapon, such as a turbolaser, cannot do effectively. The Empire is particularly bad at this, as evidenced by the slow firing, slow tracking turbo lasers defending the Death Star. If the Empire invested in proper point defense weapons, those would've been much smaller laser cannons like the ones on the Millennium Falcon, and a whole lot more of them. If you want to know about some real world point defense systems, try looking up the Phalanx CIWS (Close In Weapons System)
They did invest in ships like that. The Lancer Frigate is packed with quad laser cannons and a top of the line PDS.
Man the empire had tons of underutilized corvettes. The Tartan, The Carrack Crusier, The Raider and more. I kind of think that the Raider was an upgrade over the Tartan/Carrack crusier which were used earlier in the empires reign.
Patrick Cox The Carrack-class was a 350 meter long light cruiser though. Also, while putting 20 lasercannons on it is possible and has been done by the Empire a lot in the Expanded Universe, it's main configuration consisted of 10 Turbolasers and 20 Ion Cannons.
Yeah, if they balanced out their navy, the Rebels would never have lasted until the Battle of Yavin.
20 ion cannons still sounds like a shield draining, ship disabling nightmare if the ships were used in mass.
Lancer frigate
1. Can you do a video on mandlorian military ?? What ships they used, military tactics, their influence, etc ??
2. Life for the common civilian under war
3. Talk about groups or clans like the pirates.
Nice to see the Consortium getting some attention in these factions compared.
Yes, i would love to see more about them.
They field some very interesting ships, like the Crusader Corvette here.
Sim. Frischh my favorite Consortium ship is the vengeance frigate
I hate it´s lack of shields, but they are of no use against bombers anyway.
The mass drivers are devastatign to any enemy ship and they look very Mandalorian.
Plus the cloak, just the self destruct is wrong IMO.
Sim. Frischh In the final battle at the end of the campaign I would just hyperspace one in and immediately self-destruct it to destroy a bunch of fighters/bombers. I had so many of them at my disposal at the end I just used them a purely as a one-time use weapon. Plus I like the power rush lol
I never produced them in such quantities...
But if it works...
I think the raider is the coolest in my opinion
ObiwanMchighground
High ground
Yeah one of the few good things that came out of EA’s battlefront 2
The only downside I see with it, is when it was turned into a filthy rebel ship. God I hate the rebels!
Agreed
I remember seeing the CR-90 being listed as a blockade runner, which makes the turbo lasers, a much better choice for taking down orbital defense platforms while depending on a fighter screen to keep the TIEs at bay
Star Wars lore: slug throwers
I love a good gat in my SW.
Also the crusader class corvette is mandalorian built
Anditesh Ordo Oh? well then it should have been much lower on the list
Poppamies why? the manidlorians were powerful fighters and im asumind that would go for there ships to.
Anditesh Ordo I was gonna say almost the same thing, thank you for mentioning that the Crusaider was Mandalorian built.
Yeah, Mandos make excellent ships. I especially love the Keldabe.
jirl Seidl ya someone else who knows what that ship is, also where did you first see it, i first saw it in star wars intergim mod or sins of a solor empire.
Rebel Alliance. Even though I'm an empire fan boy. The CR-90 is a work of art.
Finally someone who also loves empire
ey, luckily for both of us guess who MADE the CR-90
@@dylanram4653 republic or empire
@@mateuszwisniewska1848 shit nvm im retarted, it was the republic, buuuuut still produced by the empire for a bit so iwasnt too far off?
I say the rebel gun boat(the second corvette that the rebels have in Star wars Empire at War i forget the name) over the CR90 due to it can by pass imperial capital ship shielding with it's torpedoes
The Corellian Gunship? That would be the DP-20. If that is the one you mean, then I agree. :)
Corwin Hyatt that's the one
Well, the passing by enemy shielding is an Empire at War thing. It wouldn’t really work that well in a real scenario, especially considering that proton torpedoes aren’t that great at tracking.
@@a.morphous66 sorry for the late reply, but I think the OP meant Concussion Missiles instead, even though both kind of weapon do ignore shields in EAW. Man, I bet having a Corellian Gunship filled with Proton Torpedoes would be OP, now wouldn't--
THAT'S RIGHT, MON CALAMARI FRIGATE, BABY! FEATURING 4 PROTON TORPEDOES LAUNCHERS, IT FIRES 200% MORE BULLET PER BULLET.
One thing I disagree with Eck here is that a Corvette needs to be anti-fighter vessel. Honestly I believe that it's like a fighter, you can have a bomber armed against capital ships or space superiority fighters or interceptors which fight other fighters and other small ships.
For example NONE of these ships except Raider are very versatile because they either have only laser cannons (Consular and Crusader) or only turbolasers (CR-90).
The exact thing with support ship is to be able to support other ships, which is why they should either be versatile or you need a couple specialised variants.
Look at the Homeworld 2 for example. Hiigarans there have 2 types of corvettes, the regular Gunship and the Pulse Gunship. First one was an anti-fighter unit and the other was anti-corvette and maybe even anti-frigate one. Same with Frigates of which there were 4 types.
Elite:Dangerous on the other hand has ships which are extremely versatile as for example Federal Corvette (look it up :3 It looks awesome) can be armed with loads and LOADS of different weapon types, from lasers (3 types of them), multicannons (basically rapid-fire guns which resemble miniguns), cannons, plasma accelerators, rockets, torpedoes and so on and so forth, which allows it to be used in a variety of roles EVEN as a passenger ship :|
I don't think the Rebels needed much of anti-fighter unit rather than an anti-capital one, since the Empire has used ISDs most of the time, while against TIEs they could just use their own X-Wings and Interceptors.
He's also mistaking the role of Corvette for Picket ships, but yeah.
Even wwii corvette were abysmal at fighter screans and mostly for patrol. Its only when you get to tye DE platforms where it becomes acceptable and the CL level where it became useful.
It would make no sense for the rebels to turn their corvettes into picket ships. They have much better starfighters than the Empire plus the Nebulon B which is plentiful and has 12 laser cannons and multiple missile turrets. They don't have a good way besides bombers to apply pressure and deal with capital ships, so they outfit their corvettes with an aggressive turbo laser set-up. That makes sense.
The Crusader-class corvette was a vessel of Mandalorian design and make, and it (and its sister classes, such as the Keldabe-class battleship) go to show how far in leaps and bounds the Mandalorians were ahead of the rest of the galaxy in tactical sense and technology even as far as the Galactic Civil War.
Did the CIS not have a corvette?
+Scythe Seven not really
Scythe Seven
They more or less threw the mulificent (pardon spelling) frigate at everything
They had the Diamond-class cruiser which can sort of be used in a corvette role... but at 200 meters, its a bit big for a corvette.
Yeah, I give my vote for the Diamond or the Hardcell-class.
Wasn't the Hardcell a transport?
Zaan Consortium designs are REALLY nice.
and overpowered to an extreme.
Yeah... the expansion wasn't exactly what I'd call balanced. They look cool though.
what do you mean? the Zaan consortium did not make ships but bought them from Hutts and Mandal motors most of these ships are not even his. it's just rich man buying a army...
They are very nice. Mostly caus they're cherry picked and stolen
Most of the Consortium designs are Mandalorian ships, iirc.
Your confusing the roles of a corvette and a picket ship. Picket ships are used for anti star fighter and corvette are used to swarm large capital ships. Corvette are supposed to deal out good damage and use superior speed and maneuverability to avoid enemy fire. Look at how the cr90s are used by the rebels and the consulars are used by the republic. An anti starfighter ship like the crusader and the raider are pickets if you look into the legends you will find dozens of examples of laser cannon only armed ships those are used against fighters like the lancers and the enforcers.
glad im not the only one that thought that
Agree 100%
Yes. This
Ecky gets too caught up in the raw stats - which imo in both fantasy and in reality will get you both surprised, then killed - in that order. You need the right tool - for the right role - in the right war. Stats alone are misleading, they're nothing without context.
Those turbolasers are probably for patrolling against smugglers, pirates, armed transports, etc. Stuff that has better shields than a fighter but still needs a bit of speed to catch up with.
Yeah, I think corvettes are more useful in solo missions away from fleets and fighters. I agree that the CR90s heavy armament is probably and extremely effective pirate deterrent. Frigates are support ships in fleets, not corvettes.
That clears up my confusion. I didn't realize this ranking is based on how they would contribute in a fleet engagement, but like you mentioned you probably want something bigger for that role. I guess the rebels don't have any better options. Either way the context wasn't explained in the video or I just missed that part. The Doge is being confusing today!
Correct! Especially in WWII, Frigates and even some Cruiser classes were used as anti-air defense while the battleships duked it out with the big guns and the carriers did their thing with fighters and bombers. Corvettes filled a support role, but not an anti-air role; mainly used for anti-submarine warfare, and to harass the bigger ships on the field.
AgentFrosty Translating these roles into the space warfare of Star Wars can get a bit difficult though, mainly because submarines in WW1 and 2 were mainly used for either commerce raiding or (rarely) destroying single ships that didn't have the torpedoes/bombs to counter them. There are no submarines in space (unless you count stealth ships, but those can't shoot and be invisible at the same time; see the literal Stealth Ship from TCW and the TIE-Phantoms) and the role of small(ish), fast heavy hitters in SW is filled by bombers and superiority fighters.
So, in a way, Corvettes are also "anti-submarine" in that there is no real distinction between "air"-craft and submersibles in Star Wars as far as space warfare is concerned.
The Raider is so cool, it was one of my favourite parts about Battlefront II and definitely my new favourite Imperial Ship!
Hey! Can you please go back to doing more ship vs ship? Kinda miss those.
Agreed!
Yes
1963 Corvette Stingray is best.
Loved this episode! Especially because you had Zann's navy's corvette! That has to be the most bada$$ looking corvette there is. Keep up the outstanding work!
Getting faster and faster with these uploads eh? keep it up man.
Rafael Mabaquiao Until an upload is every millisecond.
Fimto sceond
I Forgot the Zahn Consortium existed, i Haven't played vanilla Empire at War for months
In regards to the consular class having turbolasers instead of laser cannons my opinion is that it's fine. You can really have two different types of corvettes, one that's good against small fighters and one thats good against similarly sized vessels i.e. other corvettes. The consular is a corvette killer which is perfectly fine imo. Modern militaries like to have multi-role aircraft and ships but specialized versions have their advantages. Pair up a consular with any of the other 3 corvettes and you have a good little patrol group. The consular can serve as heavy fire support for the other corvette basically and that's awesome. Just look at Star Citizen and it's two corvettes, same deal one is anti-fighter focused while the other is equipped with torpedoes and heavy turret perfect for killing other corvettes and even frigates/destroyers
DP-20 does both.
Jatzi 1 and then you have the Raider which can do both fairly well.
Corwin Hyatt same with the Raider
Sniper .93c sure it's definetly multi-role which is really good in any vehicle but does it do both as effectively? That's always the issue with multi-role platforms, you sacrifice some ability for the versatility. Because of that versatility though I think I'd say the raider is the best corvette
well if you have to other corvettes why not 2 raiders?
Factions compared shuttles
Which faction has the best frigates for republic the acclamator, the rebels nebulan b or Assault frigate, C.i.s munificent , empire arquintens. Just my suggestions ecks can’t wait for more eaw videos on your second channel and keep up the great work on this channel too.
+Master Chief Keef Of Gondor the Munificent is more like a cruiser. It's heavily armed and over 800 m long
Master Chief Keef Of Gondor cis clearly
EckhartsLadder oh yeah good point. I totally forgot the dimensions of the Munificent
MyDuck IsOnQauck yeah it probably will win
+EckhartsLadder Yeah but they used it as a frigate lol. They took an actual cruiser and put it in the role of supporting other cruisers.
i recommend doing a playthrough of some mods for EAW as the base game is fails in comparison to the mods available like Awakening of the rebellion
person of the internet. GUIDE ME. i had the game years ago and palyed and then recently got it again and playing and its FUN! but the mods are a tad confusing and I don't quite know what i am doing there. what would you suggest?
Wind Sage Dragon Awakening of the Rebellion/AotR like SemiProParrot99 said, Thrawn's Revenge, Republic at War and Clone Wars 4.0 are some very good mods. There's also "Star Wars Empire at War: Remake" which has really good graphics and polishes a lot of the base game instead of completely replacing everything like the other mods I mentioned do, but it doesn't feature GC's as to my knowledge and the aforementioned graphics, while astonishing, also can slow down your game quite a bit, even if you have a good computer.
If you're looking for utter insanity (using SSD's on the ground to give you an idea) and/or less well known Star Wars factions, I'd recommend using Yoden Mod.
*Edit* : make sure you install only one mod at a time though.
Philipp Obitz on steam you can view a mods menu in settings to select which one you want to play. I do agree with your mod list however one I really Love is revenge of the mandalorians
Imperial Immobilizer 418 Cruiser vs. Sith Interdictor-class cruiser
Which is more powerful, and which can capture more good guys in a certain time limit?
The Best Corvette is the 2019 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
The ZR1 is best Corvette
I've always had a soft spot for the Munificent Class Corvette of the CIS. Oh Well
Shogun its a frigate, not a corvette as it is much larger and slower.
Sam Urch actually its like a cruiser or star destroyer, the name just says frigate but it isn't
It's a heavy cruiser, not a corvette.
Pumpkinist its much to big, has to much guns and too much fighter and troop capactity, its a cruiser
Pumpkinist yes size is used but the sixe is arpund like 800 meters or so
Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (123rd try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*
coming up on infra-red I don't think Eckhartsladder has any knowledge of the Replicators
But I think I know a weapon that can destroy replicator ships, The Death Star
Not a fan of including the Zann Consortium, they're just a random faction invented for a game. Also I disagree the corvette is just there to defend against fighters. Most capital ships have their own point defense weapons as well. The ships have different sizes mainly because of cost and availability, but this doesn't mean there can't be anti-ship focused corvettes or point defense focused larger ships.
Revans Sith Empire vs Galactic Empire
agreed
Revan would lose, Sith wielding lightsabers cannot fight a Death Star or an Executor.
Odds are stacked pretty heavily against Revan there. The chunk of the old republic that Revan took over, even with the Star Forge, does not have anywhere near the resources or available man power that the Galactic Empire does
Don't forget the technological gap, 1000+ years would play a huge part as well.
You're right Robert, I forgot about the tech gap.
Which faction has the best Light Cruiser?
Ex the Republic Arquitens Class, etc. I know the CIS, Rebels, and Imperials have one too, but I don't know the names
(The edit was to add examples)
Now do Space battleship Yamato vs super star destroyer eclipse
Not a federation corvette?
Oberth, Nova-class or Sabre-class?
MC90 Star Cruiser vs Nebula-class Star Destroyer.
Vindication-class light battleship vs Venator-class Star Destroyer.
Covenant CPV-class heavy destroyer vs MC80 Liberty type Star Cruiser.
Yuuzhan Vong Miid ro'ik warship vs Imperial I-class Star Destroyer.
The Providence-class carrier/destroyer vs MC80 Home One type Star Cruiser.
Bulwark Mark III-class battlecruiser vs Resurgent-class Battlecruiser.
UNSC Autumn-class heavy cruiser vs Imperial II-class Star Destroyer.
Dreadnought-class Heavy Cruiser vs Acclamator II-class assault ship.
Nice list - very nice...
I already did the Providence Class carrier/destroyer against MC80. Only difference is mine won't get 50,000 views like his would.
Bruce Jedi Lee When talking about the Bulwark-class Battlecruiser, you have to specify which one: There's the Bulwark Mark 1 used by the Seperatists in the coreworlds around Foreost, there's a Mk. II in the galactic civil war, and then there is the Bulwark Mk III used during the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. I'm just pointing that out because it'd be a shame if Ekhart did this comparison and would give the Resurgent a clear win because "the technology is just so far ahead" that everything else won't matter because he picked the CIS version.
Bulwark mk IV was supposedly 2.5 km. Older fansites said 3.5.
+Bruce Jedi Lee, the Autumn class would wreck the isd.
The Crusader is a Mandalorian Corvette that Tyber Zann ''acquired'' from Mandal Hypernautics, so that explains the Overpowered Weapon loadout ;P
its a Mandalorian Crusader, wait a minute
Skurai1982 Tyber Zann
b e s ‘ u l i i k
Mandalorians are rarely subtle with their designs
@@osets2117 "Canderous Tank", yeah, that says it.
I don’t know why but I LOVE corvettes
Base corvettes in Most Sci-fi Universes typically take on a purely raiding role when not accompanying a fleet, the tactic of most Sci-fi "Empires" not actively gathering for a large battle seems to be to scatter singular or packs of Corvettes through an enemy's territory to attack mines, stations, listening outpost, or even gang up and wolf pack larger lone capitol ships that may be patrolling an area. Likely you are attracted to the almost starfighter like qualities, while wanting some protection from the typical one shot deaths that starfighters seem to go through, and the most loose regulations that typically accompany the command of a corvette.
i like corvettes aswell but my favourate ships are frigates/cruisers and even star destroyers because firepower.
Personally I prefer the versatility of a Cruiser, preferably a cruiser playing host to a fighter and bomber compliment, though depending on the universe, that may not be possible for what that universe considers a cruiser sized vessel.
i love destroyers... but not the destroyers you see in star wars, those are closer to what most universes would consider cruisers. i love destroyers which are small to mid-sized, fast, multi-role warships with a heavy armament designed to engage a variety of threats ranging from fighters to huge battleships.
their relatively small size and high speed gives them the speed and sensor profile of an effective long range scout, but are still large enough to make long range scouting runs and possess enough firepower to defend themself.
a destroyer's heavy battery of point defense weapons (machine guns, autocannons or light laser cannons) allows them to defend convoys (or larger warships) from fighters or missiles.
their moderately powerful, but often fast firing main gun turrets (combined with often exceptional speed and maneuverability for their size) allows them to hunt down and destroy smaller ships such as corvettes and frigates, and to put the pressure on larger enemy warships if a sufficient number of destroyers are present.
a destroyer's torpedo/ missile armament allows them to deal a powerful blow to ships several times their size, and makes them a threat to even the largest enemy warships.
destroyers are great because they can do anything and everything. they are fast enough to scout or hunt down smaller enemy scouts, equipped with enough defensive armament to defend friendly ships, and are well armed enough to participate in huge battles and legitimately threaten much larger ships. destroyers can be anything from the badass underdog to the unyielding sheepdog to the aggressive wolfpack depending on what is called of them at the time.
Could you do a video explaining the different classes of ships. Like the difference between cruisers corvettes dreadnauts destroyers etc. if you already have just ignore this and I’ll find it eventually. Keep up the good work
Spoiler Alert: It's the one that uses a Corvette!
Yeah... but corvettes have to do ship to ship combat as well as anit-air i.e. WWII. Anti-starfighter would be to gun ships and frigates [anti-air frigates are a thing].
Harrower Class Dreadnought VS Venator Class Star Destroyer
The Zann ships are some of my favs! Could you do more videos including that faction? Thanks and keep up the good work!
T-70 X-Wing VS E-Wing
What's wrong what with the CIS then?
Oh are you going to do a video on frigates next? You left out the CIS this video and i would like to see were you rate thier munificent class frigate
I bet it is second place.
The episodes about army and navy ringing any bells.
cody nagy Munificent's are not frigates
Very HEAVY frigate then?
MysticHero
So is it just another naming mistake? Like how one of the corvettes was a "cruiser"
1:12 The Raider Class Corvette might remind us of Knights of the Old Republic 2 with Darth Nihilus’s flagship during the post Malachor V Arc
Here’s a suggestion
Venator class star destroyer vs the unsc Epoch class heavy carrier
Richard Mc Enteggart yes I agree with your points but I do believe the fighter compliment of the venator could largely effect the battle
Richard Mc Enteggart yes that’s very true but I do believe that the Venator’s shields could offer a longer holding time I think yes the Epoch would win but the Venator could put up a fight if it could get through the titanium-A-plating from a constant barrage or if it could get a shot in the hanger of the Epoch. I do believe that the Venator is outclassed and would probably lose
XD Venator while one of my favorite star wars ships (purely cosmetics) would get it's ass handed to it, because UNSC fighters would mop the floor with any Star wars fighters, the standard was the broadsword and it had 110mm miniguns and lots and lots of rockets.
Don't think that would be the case Thyre first of all, the Broadsword's Minigun lacks range and accuracy (While they can shred a starfighter if close enough due of the fact it's a slug thrower (thus can penetrate energy shields) the further it gets from it the more useless this weapon becomes as it make it easier to avoid by maneuvering and also due the fact it is a minigun, the longer it fires, the more inaccurate it becomes, not to mention it have's limited ammo) if you compare to lasers and the rockets will barely pack a punch compared to Proton Torpedoes, although it depends of the fighter it's pit against, if it is V-19 Torrent, The broadsword wins (due to the fact the Torrent's Heavy blaster cannons can't penetrate in a few shots and require to be closer to make it effective which can bring it to the minigun's effective range and the rockets don't lock-on as fast as the Broadsword's, for such reason they were phased-out for the Clone Z-95 Headhunter and the ARC-170 as the Clone Wars progressed); if it is the Y-wing then the Broadsword will run with some problems as an Ion Cannon Barrage will surely disable the Broadsword's shields and if it manages to lock it's torpedoes and didn't manage to avoid, the Broadsword's destroyed as it normally fire 2 at a time and that would be more than enough to break the shield and the engine (and with it the entire ship); This can also happen with the ARC-170 but also a pilot might have a hard time lining the minigun to be effective due to the fact that the Rear gunner can still shoot back, also you'll need to take in consideration that is the most armored starfighter the republic have to offer making it hard to destroy, and it's heavy laser cannons can decimate the Broadsword in a couple of volleys
+alpha34098, sorry I only started reading your comment but *Thyre first of all, the Broadsword's Minigun lacks range and accuracy* that is wrong as they operate way beyond the range of even turbolasers in star wars and they are extremely accurate. And the rockets pack way more of a punch than proton torpedos (ignore the numbers and look at feats because star wars numbers are almost all BS.) And the ion cannon would do next to nothing to the broadsword because they have countermeasures against that because all covie weapons are ionized to make EMP's. And uhh no star wars fighter will ever and I repeat ever be able to get into their effective weapons range before the broadsword lights em up and the UNSC utilizes basic AI on the broadsword to help with tracking so they would not be able to avoid it and the broadsword has bean shown to take heavy damage on the scale of a medium turbolaser for a while.
i have a question that diverts a little from your usual thing of "what is best among X?"
so see, we have a thing going on where our own galaxy, the milky way, will one day collide and combine with the next galaxy over, the andromeda, to turn into a bigger galaxy called milk-dromeda. no i am not kidding. anyways, take one sci fi story and put it in the milky way, and take the other and put it in andromeda, and ask the question of how would they react to one another.
and imo this would work best for WH40k since outside of FTL, as you mentioned, WH40k crushes basically everything else. asking how would each galaxy go about living with the other guy would be more interesting than "oh hey the space marine librarian just got a room full of jedi masters to die by exploding their internal organs with warp magic"
(and rather obviously i kinda want to hear star wars and WH40k coming together. though with star wars it might be a little messy since you have to chose which trilogy to use. original, prequel or reboot. WH40K has stayed largely the same for quite a while, the biggest changes being the addition of the Tau, the resurrection of Guilliman and the 13th Black Crusade which split the galaxy in half )
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The CR90 will always have a special place in my heart right next to the C-ROC and the X-wing.
I would definitely pick the Raider Class Corvette. It represents what the Empire should have done with their Imperial-II Class Star Destroyers. Turbolasers AND Laser cannons
Dp20 frigate vs Brahatok gunship
Rebel alliance fleet at Scarif vs Plo Koons fleet against the Malevolence
Thrawns fleet at Attalon vs CIS Fleet at Kamino
MC75 cruiser vs Secutor star destroyer
Mandadator IV dreadnought vs asertor/executor super star destroyer
8th attempt please EckhartsLadder
VF-1s Valkyrie variable fighter from SDF Macross (not Robotech) vs the Zeta plus Gundam.
Thunderbolt starfury from Babylon 5 vs Sabre from Halo reach.
YF-30 Chronos from Macross 30 vs the Gaia Gear Alpha from Gundam Gaia Gear.
stockart whiteman which ones don't you know.
Barry Bend and he was never seen again
Im happy you finally talked about Zann
Ayy where my bro Munifecent at?
+Daniel Bob that ships like 5 times bigger than anything on this list haha
EckhartsLadder Oof.
And it’s a frigate
Sam Urch OOF.
If it was me, I would have the counselor cruiser at #4, CR-90 at #3, raider at #2 and crusader at #1. The "Crusader" is my absolute favorite cruiser, of course, I would add a few more heavy weapons to it to give it that, much more, over powered defense. Perhaps add a turret for a mass drive cannon, to help increase it's combat flexibility. I wonder what kind of illegal modifications could this ship take, if I was a bounty Hunter?
which faction had the best training?
mohammad khan The Imperium of man
probs clones in first place. First Order in second place. Empire in third place. Rebels in last. (Didn't count separatists cause they were droids so they didn't have training)
+beast ICY, UNSC had better training than some parts of the Imperium of man but if you do bring them into this you have to specificy what planet and what regiment XD and what kind of troop but overall the Forerunner from halo take the cake because to be their special forces you have to change your entire body for it, be born for it, spend millions of years training for it, and then be lucky enough to be noticed among the quintillions of others.
The Raider was first designed by FFG (Fantasy Flight Games) for their X-wing minis game. It was later grandfathered into cannon by BFII.
That being said the lore on the Raider says while it can function as a picket/corvette support ship it was designed to operate alone specifically to counter the Rebels fighter superiority. The Rebels loved using their hyperspace capable fighters to do hit an run attacks on Imperial targets. Since TIE's didn't have hyperdrives the Imperials could only count on local TIE forces to counter the Rebels. This is where the Raider came in. Raiders were deployed on patrols in ones and twos in areas that didn't justify the resources of a Star Destroyer; places perfect for Rebel Starfighter raids. They were equipped with fast hyperdrives (by capital ship standards) and could respond to distress calls quickly.
The ideal scenario for them would play out similar to the Battle of Scariff minus all the capital ships. Rebel fighters come in and start hitting things while the local garrison tries to hold them off as best they can. Distress signal goes out and shortly after a Raider or two show up out of hyperspace (ala Vader at Scraiff). Raider then starts gunning down fighters as they try to break off their attack and escape to hyperspace.
Why did you not pick a cis corvette?
There isn't one.
Did they have a corvette?
blurr220 no
they did but only in legends, such as the Marauder Corvette (supposedly), also there is the Geonosian Corvette
Go back to the roots and have a traditional vs. episode plz. My suggestion for the matchup: X-83 Twintail vs. Tie Defender (the Legends version)
do gunships
Ben Sc0tt im pretty sure he did
He did the CIS won that
Do you mean like Brahatok gunship
Do you mean Dropships or Gunships, He did the Dropships but Idk about Gunships
I mean gunships of the factions
I‘ll stay with my trusty Tartan class corvette. You know, those B-Wings can really make one struggle when you are attacking (also f*** Red Squadron, i hate them)
I´m not surprised that you chose the Zann Consortuim, it fields a Mandalorian design after all.
But about the "best corvette", my choice would be the Raider, mostly because it seemed to have two pros the others lack:
1. missile launcher! Nothing better against incoming bombers
2. from the looks of it i think it is the smallest target due to it´s sleek design.
The rebels needed capitol ship killers and the CR90 was the perfect fit, if you have two of those vs a star destroyer i'd vote the CR90 any day, the rebels already had fighter supiriority, so why get laser cannons? CR90's are meant to be cap killers, thats why they're also called blockade runners.
I want to see a Vs of a Kedable class capital ship and either a Star Destroyer or Mon C. Cruiser
Both can be done in EaW. ^.^
The Consulor is my favorite
Do the Separatists not have corvettes? What class of ship is the one we always see in The Clone Wars' space battles?
completely disagree on the CR90, the hit and run tactics of the rebellion doesn't do well with dedicated anti fighter vessels, especially since the alliance had some of the best star fighter pilots to ever come out of the galaxy. its not suited to the classic corvette role, and i think its unfair to judge a heavy assault configuration against a dedicated anti fighter role. not that the empire could hit anything xD
Glory to the Zann Consortium. So underrated. One of the absolute best games.
the problems i have with that corvette from the zann consortium is that it has a rather large profile from nearly any angle for a ship of it's size, and also that it's turret placement is rather poor. it's firing arcs are restricted by their placement in such a way that the majority of it's weapons cannot fire in any one direction, and this is a critical flaw in a small, fast and maneuverable ship such as a corvette.
from both a practical and an aesthetics perspective, the raider class corvette is the superior ship in most respects. it has a slimmer, sleeker profile which decreases the target cross section, and the shape of the vessel allows it's weapons to have much better wider firing arcs. not only can it concentrate seemingly most if not all of it's weapons directly forward, giving it a degree of effectiveness against larger capital ships which would not normally be achievable by a craft with such light armament, but the wide firing arcs also increase it's weapons effectiveness in an anti fighter role as well. it's blind spot towards the rear, while a notable weakness, is not as great a flaw as it would be on a larger, less maneuverable ship, as the corvette has the agility necessary to shake off most pursuers.
The best one is the one piloted by a blue haired woman with a degree in gender studies.
Show Me What You Got
Lmao!
Purple*
EA fucked up raider model. In some cutscenes it has 1 big and 2 small engine,while in others it has 10 small
Mopar or no car 💪💪💪💪
Wait, wrong video...
Halo Valiant Class superHeavy Cruiser vs Star Wars MC 75 Cruiser
Raider, no contest. Excellent anti-fighter has enough firepower to smoke the other corvettes
More Fleet Battles? I especially like the graphics (by that I mean the pictures), that go with them.
Can I ask why you never include the first order in these videos ? because all of these videos you make the first order could easily be on the list
Hello Eck. I recently started playing Battlefront II, and am loving it. Actually, I recently got a PS4 and got back into console gaming, and though I did this just for SW:BF2, I am surprised at the other free games available to play. One in particular, DREADNOUGHT, I wish they would make a Star Wars variant of for flying and fighting with capital ships.
Could you do faction compared videos with old republic factions?
Do a which faction has the best stationary cannons, such as Turbolaser tower -Hairguy
any of the last 2 could of been configured to anti fighter role but the Raider is best in my opinion its better to have weapons and not need them then to need them and not have them.
Boo zahn consortium. Boo
Harrower Class Dreadnought (Sith Empire) vs Victory I Class Star Destroyer (Galactic Empire)
have you gotten the 100,000 subscriber play button yet?
+Joseph Brown nope
hopefully you'll get that soon
What about the CIS?
"Which Corvette is best Corvette?" -Regular Car Reviews.
The ZR1 obviously...
Wait that's not the right video
I think that the laser cannon to turbo laser ratio. Is supposed to be the opposite on the counselor class.
Over triple digits trying and gonna continue!
Recusant Class Light Destroyer vs Something (Acclamator, Assault Frigate, MC40, etc)
Best Frigate
Best Carrier
Best Tactics
Arquintins (Republic Era) vs Raider Class?
I personally think that Arquitens is much better in every single role, except hit and run.
Ya i agree but just wanna see the arquintens in more Vs matchs lol