Yeah where was Warhammer Halo Star Trek you know maybe do a part 2 and part 3 for this thing so you can bring out all of the battlecruisers from different sci-fi universes and then put them in a list
@@muslischeier2978 U mean the Bulwark. That's my top concern. The thing has a lot of weapons, has a lot of armor and heavy shielding and carries fighters. The Resistance owning that would be a concern.
Ehm, why? CiS never needed bigger ship and the ones they had were perfectly fine in terms of tech. They needed more carriers as their drone fighters could be launched in thousands from a small vessel compared to biggest republic and imperial carriers launching 7-8 dozens at max. Just mix in a few with warhead and order those to suicide ram republic capital ship when the whole swarm attacks.
As a maritime history buff, whenever I hear about sci fi battlecruisers being slow or plodding or anywhere near the archetypical "mighty glacier" I shudder. What defined them in real life was comparatively higher speed over their contemporary battleship cousins. Often achieved by thinning armor protection and upping engine power.
Kinda surprising too since the idea of a ship with high firepower and decent speed but vulnerable could play an interesting unique role in a sci-fi navy
I suppose if we're bending the definition, Resurgent-clases *could* fit the role, sorta. I remember, in lore, because fuck knows they aren't in the films, it being said somewhere that in a straight line they could go at quite a pace.
Not to mention cruisers, destroyers, sometimes frigates... I get that these people didn't study naval hierarchy, but just quickly looking into common ship capabilities and roles could've given a much more interesting depth of ships to many sci fi franchises. Star Wars does seem to sometimes try to fix this, but overall it's a "problem" across much of sci fi
@@admiralwullfyularen6225 Not at all, it's an entirely different vehicle. Sure, they share similarities in that they lack a large hangar (or any hangar in the case of tector) but everything else is different from reactor volume to the superstructure to armament
@@admiralwullfyularen6225 in lego starwars skywalker saga that's true when fighting ships like home one you just have to spam pt on it the ship has no weapons in lego starwars skywalker saga
"We have to consider each ship in terms of its era, not its objective characteristics, to keep the comparisons fair" [Proceeds to rank the ships by era because later eras because later eras have more advanced tech] Never change, Eckhart.
The Praetor is hard to judge, anyone who still uses it post the imperial era, would probably have gone out of their way to maximize it's firepower, since it seems to have room to spare.
The Resurgent class Star Destroyer is talked about so little when it’s one of the most powerful and best looking battleships in SW history. Like if I got the change to take on any Republic, Separatist,Imperial, Rebellion, Resistance or First Order battleship it would hands down be the resurgent.
Nah bro mc95 or the mediator is very possibly better as we have no way of really knowing as the mediator never really got to show off what is was capable of anyhow
Now that I think about it, the Resurgent reminds me of the Ascendency for the Empire of the Hand, just on a battlecruiser size, and with less blue people.
Mark Thompson I liked the designs for the first order, I just though as an organization they were poorly handled. There should have been more imperial era tech to show that they’re a remnant of the empire.
@@punctuationman334 it would’ve been cool to see how the First Order would’ve panned out in Duel of the Fates instead of what happened to them in The Rise of Skywalker.
My vote is for the NR Mediator. Mon Cal shields are quite possibly the best in Star Wars, and she would be fielding the best starfighters the galaxy had to offer: XJ's, E-Wings and K-Wings
The only reason everyone calls Mon Calamari ships the best in Star Wars is that the Givins’ ships are so sidelined, I don’t think we have the name of a single Givin ship model. For those who don’t know, the Givin are a species from Legends who come from a planet where tidal forces cause the atmosphere to pool up in certain places, creating a vacuum on much of the planet’s surface. The Givin can survive in a vacuum for a short time, but they also have to use math to predict when they will have air, making them a very math-savvy species. They eventually started applying their mastery of math to shipbuilding, creating starships that at least rivaled Mon Calamari engineering.
Still have to see it do _anything._ It's nice looking and they made up some shiny numbers on their propaganda essential guides. But did it do something on screen? Nope... Oh yeah, it launched 4 TIEs once... The Resurgent is the most artificially overrated ship ever. Never have I seen such a disappointing "beast". That thing can't even keep pace with a vulgar and outdated stripped down Mon Cal cruiser.
@@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser You're playing damage control Resurgent. You know that freighter was hit countless times, but somehow resisted the firepower of a ship that wrecked a corellian corvette in no time. That freighter is protected by an armor from Elsewhere, a ship that you were unable to prevent from reaching orbit and leave the system, might I had, despite the fact two of your TIEs were in close air support mission on site, and the freighter was hijacked by a slow ass heavy cargo ship that stayed in orbit for something like 15 minutes straight, while it was getting boarded by pirates. Oh, and that TIE you shut down? It was piloted by _your_ prisoner, who escaped thanks to _your_ traitor, and who was able to easily destroy almost all of one section of your broadside battery: someone forgot to design hull-tight shields for you. What a shame. I have no trouble believing you actually _couldn't_ catch that Mon Cal, since you didn't even bother to try when you met her first, despite the fact you outnumbered her already, and she was standing there, stationary above her base. You didn't even fire one turbolaser in her direction. What kind of Destroyer are you? A Shy Destroyer? You've got some nice weaponry on paper but all we've seen so far is a TIE that you needed two missiles to wreck, and who destroyer about a dozen of your batteries in one row. Pretty underwhelming that's for sure. Momma Imperial isn't impressed: she can bombard planets on her own, she's as fast as the Millenium Falcon, tracking that thing down for days without sweating. It takes a freaking asteroid field for days to kill her. She tears through corvettes and frigates in seconds when they don't have plot armour. She never had any of her crew deserting in mission. No fighter was ever able to destroy any or her batteries without taking out the shields first. She flown dozens of TIEs hurling towards her enemies, while you seem to have to respect a rule that forces you to launch only 4 TIEs in a row, no more. What a joke for a battlecruiser with so many hangar bays. It really looks like you are better at posing than acting.
@@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser Things that are great on paper but fails at basic missions don't deserve any love or care. You're just a pale imitation of your predecessor, desperately trying to outdo her, but always remaining in her shadow.
In my Star Wars Fanon universe, I created a modified ISD-1 Star Destroyer that could take on a good sized fleet and still come out on top. The ship’s name was the Thunderbolt, and while a large part of its success came from the tactical genius of its commander, Commodore Lorth Vize, it was still armored and armed at a level far enough past the typical Star Destroyer to give it the title of battlecruiser, in my opinion.
Upon his promotion to Admiral, Vize received a new ship, the Emperor’s Fury, but this ship, an Ultima-class flagship, the only ship in its class in my Fanon universe, would be categorized as a dreadnought in the Imperial Navy, as it was slightly larger than an Executor-class, with a massive, mile-long minigun that could be deployed from the underside, a weapon Vize affectionately refers to as “the Peacekeeper.”
Littlewarriorz ehhhhhhh it’s like the treaty of Versailles. No naval ships over a certain length and tonnage, a max amount of soldiers for the galactic republic, no dedicated fighter corps, etc
They would beat the Allegiance no doubt. The Praetor would defeat a Lucrehulk but a Subjugator would be too much. A fight between me and the Subjugator would be interesting, if it weren't for those Ion Cannons! We know too little about the Mediator
@@battleship6049It is easy to tell that 2 ISD's would beat a Pallaeon class star destroyer, whereas with me, it's not as clear. I could take one down, the real fight would be me against the Imperius class star destoryer, the big brother of the Pallaeon.
Wastydest 1. Resurgent, not even a contest 2. Bellator, again not a contest. 3. Difficult to decide because the Nebula had more heavy turbos and ions, but the pelleon was made in a later era so the power difference may be a factor because of technology advancing
Damn I love the Resurgent. Sure we never saw it do anything, but that's where your imagination comes in. Now, I'm not saying to make things up and say that they're canon, but you can still use canon information (like the Resurgent's 1500 plus turbolasers/point defence turrets) and imagine how they'd go in battle, among other things. My favourite star destroyer/battlecruiser/warship, etc.
U forgot to mention that the Mediator was particularly tanky for a Mon Cal ship, as it could withstand a nuclear detonation in its hangar. It also packed an immense amount of firepower. While we don’t know exact details on its weapons, it has been stated that when a Mediator showed up in a system, the firepower it possessed was enough to make warring factions come to the negotiating table. I’m surprised u didn’t show the model used for the Mediator in the Awakening if the Rebellion mod
The Resurgent-class Star Destroyer is a fast and agile ship. It could travel even faster than a First Order TIE Fighter if need be, however, such speed came at the cost of maneuverability. At top speeds, the ship needed a lot of counter-thrust, for even the smallest maneuver, thus in the hands of a reckless commander, the Resurgent could find itself out of control and even destroyed. The ship required the most experienced commanders in order to be piloted appropriately.
Justin Trujillo the Nebula is better designed/more powerful. The Nebula was created way later in the Legends NR era, and had better firing arcs, better shielding, and better fighters. Assuming The Starhawk had the same shield generators as the ISD (because the starhawk was literally thrown together with ISD parts) then the shielding on the Nebula would be vastly better. The starhawk also was active during 6-7 ABY, which meant it still carried rebel fighters, (A wing, Xwing Ywing probably no Bwings) if it even had a hangar, while the Nebula carried the next generation fighters (Ewing, Defender, Kwing T75 Xwing, J-Stealth Xwing). The 80 turbos, 20 Ion cannons and 10 concussion missile launchers are easily more firepower than the Starhawk could feasibly have. The only advantage the Starhawk could have is the stronger tractor beam, but that would probably be no effect in this fight. (The only reason a starhawk was able to pull down a SSD was because an entire fleet destroyed the engines, secondary engines, and it had a huge gravity assist from the planet of Jakku) I doubt it can normally pull a capital ship the size of a Nebula down normally without all those factors.
Top Hat Society in Star Wars universe: *Finds Praetor-Class Battlecruiser Ronald “Red Hat” Romney ( One of the 4 Top Hat Leaders ): “That is my ship, and my fellow Top Hat men shall get me more guns for it.
Could you do a video on time travel in Star Wars mainly the time walk that we see in rebels. Love your vids can’t wait till ep9 hopefully will bring us all joy🐶
Battle cruisers in classic navy doctrine were ships armored like a heavy cruiser with cruiser speed but the guns of a battleship (a star destroyer). The idea was they would engage cruisers and hunt them down but run if faced with a battleship. The only time they would engage a battleship was in support of other friendly battleships. When they would go it alone you would have massive losses like the HMS Hood to the Bismarck. The idea in the Star Wars universe (as well as many others) that a battlecruiser was the biggest thing out there is just insane.
Everyone rips on the First Order just because the new movies aren't popular, but really their technology outpaces pretty much all competition. Their ships and vehicles are excellent and their training program seems like it's nearly on par with what the Kaminoans used. Not to mention that they have intelligently redesigned Imperial assets to maintain a level of psychological warfare. Really I think their only flaw is that they train their officers with a little too much zeal, which makes them very overconfident
I just realised 3 quaters of the way thru that the reformation thingys that limit ship stuff is exactly like the two london naval treaties after world war one to ensure there wasnt another naval arks race like between britian and germany before ww1. These treaties in turn limit british naval capacity for ww2 making it harder to eliminate german ships which were secretly built that broke treaty rules. TL;DR the reformation thing mentioned is like the irl london naval treaties which hurt british naval dominance in ww2
The interwar naval treaties affected more than just britain and germany, they affected every major naval power. Including italy, the U.S., france, and japan, too.
1. Would the Bulwark III be considered the best Rebel/NR battlercruiser in Lucas Canon? It is 2500 meters. Meanwhile, in Disney Canon, the MC85 is 3000 meters and has incredible shields. We do not know very much in terms of what the Mediator looks like or it's precise size. As for the CIS, what about the Lucrehulk?
Great video. The Allegiance is my favourite of all these ships. It has flaws, but it's a highly specialised warship. 8:07, I just noticed how bad the marching of those clones is. They're not in time to each other, and they're supposed to be the best fighting force the Republic could get. I've seen better drill from Army Cadets.
The battlecruiser concept in naval architecture has always been a hybrid one: Outrun dreadnaughts and outgun cruisers and other similar caputal ships. BCs in the British and US Navies were intended to operate in semi independant squadrons as part of a Grand Fleet or independantly cruising the oceans chasing down commerce raiders. In Star Trek you see this concept in the Klingon D6, The Kzinti BCs ans CCs, the Romulan Birds of Prey and the Federation Heavy Cruisers such as the Hood and Excelsiors. The battlecruiser role is partly served in SW by the ISDs and ISD2s.
My headcanon is: The Praetor actually was set up with the ability to be REMODELED to have more weapons. Just in case the reformation was ever determined obsolete. So they made a ship with the necessary power generation and shields for a ship that size (at least at the time), and left it under-armed to avoid breaking the treaty. While perhaps at least leaving a reasonable number of redundant power conduits lying around at certain points to where you COULD potentially add the "rest" of the guns if it became necessary. Obviously, it would not be suited to adding on turreted weaponry larger or more draining than the heaviest weapons available at the time it was designed and the demonstration model built (and obviously being no better suited to slapping on fixed weaponry than any other capital ship). And thus the Praetor 2 was essentially just the Praetor updated to be able to support more modern weapons, and coming standard with more weapons, but which was still left with "empty slots" on its hull that could be further augmented because, perhaps at the time it first started going into production, there was still debate on just how much the Reformation should be flouted and/or how going too far past it may result a bad image for the Republic. And thus, the Praetor 2 came, in "base form" still under-armed, but still able to have more guns added to bring it to what you would expect from a ship that size if that were done. Who knows, with all the fleets engaging each other and mildly damaged vessels that needed repair, a number of Praetor 2s that got light damage may have been sent in for quick repairs that also silently added the "remaining" guns. Edit: Oh, don't get me wrong. The more modern vessels likely are better battlecruisers usually, since they in their stock form don't require "sending in for repairs" to actually bring them up to their intended spec. But at the same time, I'm not sure I really consider the First Order "Star Destroyer" to really be a "Battlecruiser," as well, they don't seem to really treat it as such. Instead, its more like the First Order just wants to say that every ship class is bigger now, because TARKIIIIIIIIN and all that (hey, they made a PLANET into a superweapon just to show up those "puny" Death Stars, and then made the Mega Star Destroyer to show up those old executors, so yeah, this is a thing they do).
I would like to see the praetor made into a sort of praetor II model, where the reformations don’t hold it back (obv don’t just ignore it, have it be something rarely seen during the clone wars like how the CR series corvettes had an optional refit for combat! Or even a rebel cell heavily modifying it or turned into a small SSD)
@@tyaz6556 I wouldn't but that is hardly relevant. The Subjugator class is between 2 and 5 km and so falls under the battlecruiser definition by the Araxes War College of Star Wars
For those wondering, in real life a battlecruiser was sort of a middle ground between the battleship and heavy cruiser. A battlecruiser was well-armed and armored, but not quite as well as a proper battleship. However, it made up for this by being much faster than a battleship. It could wreck anything on the sea except a battleship, which it could easily outrun. ...Then aircraft carriers became a thing and ruined all of the cool ship types.
@@khadenallast4495 The fast battleship was basically an upgrade of both the battlecruiser and the battleship, and the only way either of them stayed relevant in the carrier war.
I would argue a battlecruiser in the RL sense would make tons of sense for the Empire. IRL battlecruisers were generally meant as anti-cruiser ships or to have a capital ship present when a battleship isn't available or able to do the job. Basically you make a ship that has the speed of a cruiser and has either the armor of a BB or the weaponry of a BB, or in this case a dreadnought. A ship that is able to keep up with or chase down smaller ships (like the Rebellion favored) but still outgun or be too tough for them would be the bane of the republic. Just imagine a ship able to chase down and destroy anything, including Mon Cal cruisers 1v1 but able to run away from anything that outguns it which is only the rare dreadnought. They need less crew and are cheaper to make so Dreadnoughts like the SSD can be used for defending key installations/planets or assaulting the most heavily defended planets while battlecruisers could be used to patrol hot zones, lead groups of SDs, escort interdictor cruisers and destroy what they catch, due to their speed they can be an emergency response force or lead one, etc. Imagine if the Interdictor was actually a battlecruiser? Instead of being a relatively weak ship that needs defending it would be more powerful than most ships except for the larger Mon Cal cruisers. I'd argue such a ship would be about as perfect an anti-rebellion ship as one could get. Especially with a good complement of fighters and anti fighter turrets.
The Mediator was said to be half the length of the Viscount BEFORE the Viscount was reckoned as a prototype of only 3000 meters. So when the size of the Mediator was given it was compared to a full size Viscount dreadnought. So over half of 17km = + 8,5 km. It is the New Republic equivalent of the Bellator.
@@silomurphy4451 Nasty nanobots from Star Gate, that can combine into larger, mostly insectoid forms. But they also form funny stuff like entire ships.
i would've liked to have seen the Scythe-class battlecruiser from the Galactic Federation on here. speaking of, i think a video exploring its history and differences from the New Republic could be interesting
#AskEck What was the best/most effective ship built under *the Ruusan Reformation?* Not just shear firepower, but from a _bang for you buck_ perspective - not nerfed dreadnaughts that cost a fortune. A ship that just fit under the limits, but was a formidable design, and could perhaps even keep up during the clone wars as a midsized ship. And side note, was the Acclamator legal under the Ruuson rules?
In my Opinion, I would rank the battlecruisers like this: 1. Resurgent, for having over 1.500 Weapons and using kybercristals. 2. Praetor, even tho the weapons are not known, the MK2 version had 60 Heavy Quad Turbolasers, 40 Medium Twin Turbolasers, 10 Long Range Ion-Cannons and 30 Twin Ion cannons 3. The Allegience for having 12-Gun Batteries, 3 Axial Dual Heavy Turbolasers and 6 Trench Gun Batteries 4. I am putting the Mediator here, because it is known what, but not known how many weapons. If you are disagreeing with something, just comment it.
#askEck Hey Eck, since we don't really see any FO support ships in the sequels, do you think the Resurgent Class is enough of an upgrade over the ISD (in that it has a high degree of mulit-role functionality to overcome the ISD's greatest weaknesses - against fighters for example) to warrant it being the only ship in fleet formations, save for larger dreadnoughts and the Supremacy?
Battle cruisers are such a cool class to have in the Star Wars universe. Dreadnoughts are Idea for flag ships and are always an imposing and game changing weapon of war. But Dreadnoughts are the most expensive maintain and costly to build of offense capital ships. Where as Battle Cruisers pack just enough fire power with out having to stupidly big and still provide an effective force multiplier on the battlefield. It also means you aren't advertising your most powerful ships to your enemy either. Dreadnoughts really are meant for your biggest and toughest space clashes with your enemies when you have very a large fleet with lots of ships to support it. Also Dreadnoughts along with any kind of super carrier are your ace cards meaning you want to keep them defending core worlds or in reserve when needed while still maintaining combat readiness for the crews. Battle Cruisers are more flexible typically and aren't so big that the enemy detect you well in advance. So they are easier to fit into smaller defense or offensive fleets when needed as an extra set of fire power while still maintaining a certain level of speed and surprise on the enemy. Also Battle Cruisers are more readily available when radio in for support and can be battle ready faster than a dreadnought could as dreadnought has huge amount of pre battle tasks by the crew before launch and make sure all the logistics are in order which would take time. Yes even Battle Cruiser would have a fair amount of that work and up keep to do to but still a lot less then a dreadnought. Standard heavy cruisers are the Backbone of a navy and can handle most jobs and conflicts with other smaller supporting ships. But Battle Cruisers are a good investment as they are nice go between a standard heavy cruiser and a Battleship. As if you want to send more powerful ships when needed but don't want risk your most powerful naval assets in smaller base conflicts that the dreadnought couldn't reach its full potential that's were battle cruisers come in handy. And you can keep your battleships in reserve hidden away deep in your territory of space defending core worlds or preparing them for large scale offensive at a later time when you can attack key asset's and worlds of your enemy catching them off guard when they least expect it. But that's my opinion. And personally I agree that the FSO Star Destroyer is the best and most versatile battle cruiser design as its product of lessons learned from the Galactic Civil War.
@@khadenallast4495 Well yah realistically less. But I am talking in Star Wars. Like normal ISD to a SSD might as well be a frigate in comparison the dam thing is like 20km long compared like 1.7km of normal ISD. so a normal ISD makes sense in that regard. But yes looking at from the point of democratic government like Republic or the Real World then yes its excessive. But when your an Emperor ruling the Galaxy through fear and are compensating for a small one eyed touser snake of course its realistic to expect a size of ship of a small city or large town roughly. Okay Even the Death Stars, Star Killer Base and Snokes Mega Star destroyer of 60kms long make even an imperial SSD look reasonable at its excess 20kms long. Your looking at it from a real world perspective or that of logical and practical military developed by a group of military designers in democratic society where opinions differ how the navy should be designed around to suit the factions needs. Now if you get into the Mind of Emperor Palpatine a Sith Lord and Tyrant who wants to do anything to assert is control of the galaxy. He gonna want big scary tools of war that might not make sense practically but good for pyschological warfare and Political gains that further legitimizes his rule of the galaxy. Of course his navy is gonna made up of giant cool looking but not really effective kinda warships. And one who criticizes his zanny crazy ideas is gonna either be force zapped to death by him, Choked by Vader, executed for treason worse end , better end discredited and or demoted and booed by every Storm trooper that serves the empire lol.
@@khadenallast4495 Yes but Star Wars is fantasy and just fun it doesn't have to make sense. If you don't like that about Star Wars that is your problem. With in the realm of Star Wars I was just saying by the star wars universe. Not realistic of Course the ships are to absurd for the real world but who cares. As a fan I don't watch star wars cause its logical and make sense. I watch it because its fantasy and doesn't make sense. Yes because people with supernatural powers and wielding laser swords its totally normal. Of course not and if you gonna watch star wars for realism then might as well not watch at all. Star Wars is awesome because it doesn't make sense and has crazy moon and planet sized super weapons. Of course shit is to big but thats the point of it. Yes an AT-AT or AT-M6 are way to big for Mechs but so what they are still cool and entertaining all the same to see or fun to use in Star Wars video games. Look I wasn't trying to be super serious and logical about it. My point was do I want to use a stupid big ship or the extremely massive stupid ship for an up coming space battle lmao. Okay I don't care that sizes are realistic the bigger the warship the cooler it is and how awesome it is to see heavy weight throw downs lol.
@@khadenallast4495 Yes but that's up to a factions needs and yes I can understand the sequels have been the best exact sizes. Yes it does make sense things should be smaller in a weakened faction. But the Produces wanted to make a more powerful version of the empire to an extent but failed to give consistent data on ship specs. But even if the info is made on the spot enough people will estimate on what they think the sizes should be and hopefully eventually we will have a universally excepted standard. But again purpose and use is up to a factions needs and what they want. Look Battle Cruisers and Dreadnoughts more or less aren't going to be used as much as smaller more mass produce able warships. But its still nice to have them just in case as its better to have larger Capital ships on stand by if needed If your Faction has the credits to maintain the operating costs of such warships then to not have any when you really need to have them. Its a White Elephant concept and debatable if you need any thing more powerful than a standard ISD 2 lol. But personally I like the option to just in case if needed. But again i do see your point its all preference thing lol.
EckhartsLadder: " Mon Calamari warships basically dominated every era." Eclipse Super Star Destroyer: Not on my watch, pew, pew Viscount Class Star Defender: Boom! Also Viscount Class Star Defender: MON CALAMARI Me: You have no proof! Proof: Boom!
I would say the Allegiance is my favourite of these four battle cruisers, not just a bias opinion but because of familiarity with using it often in Empire at War long as you can keep producing them at 11,000 credits each. I have no doubt the Resurgent is a great ship but we have not seen much of it in major fleet action either. Perhaps if there is a First Order Mod I would check it out. The Praetor always struck me as a great bulky ship with that roll of a tower but can easily be overwhelmed when bombers and sustained fire are brought against it since I have destroyed many that way.
Vs matchup Brute or Brute chieftain from Halo vs A Predator from the Predator franchise. With 2 rounds First round unarmed and unarmored. Second round fully armed and armored
@@self-satisfiedsmirk5544 I agree that the chieftain should not have invincibility, which is why I asked. The chieftain stomps if he gets that ability.
@@self-satisfiedsmirk5544 The chieftain also stomps if its a close combat fight. The predator's best chance is to fight from the distance. Even a brute captain would be tough for a predator to beat in close combat.
Dunno bout anyone else but the Mon Cal Mediator sounds like 1 great Carrier/Battleship. Seein it's well thought out and can fulfill BOTH roles really well an proved itself against some of what I'm assuming were the best and most formidable Star Destroyers of the time.
I feel like the Praetor if refitted with armaments could probably go toe to toe with the allegiance but I think it would lose handily to the others unless it had something crazy put on it
If the praetor is modular, and all of its systems can be easily pulled out and replaced then it could easily surprise with its performance. I'm not too familiar on the lore about it but if you could easily retrofit the ship with modern star wars tech it'd be an absolute beast. If its systems weren't built with future proofing in mind it'd probably just be a massive distraction for the enemy. Something to draw fire away from other ships in your fleet. It's performance is therefore entirely up in the air. If I was in charge of such a project I'd make sure that when the time came everything in the ship, including the armor itself could be upgraded easily and for less cost than building a whole new ship. If you're going to build a beast of a ship that big it better be future proofed because building a new ship to replace it every time technology advances would be a nightmare.
Are there actual cannon number for the Praetor's weapons? Becuase the ISD does not look like it has anywhere near 100 weapons emplacements, but it does. So the few spotty weapons emplacements - in areas where the ISD's hull is largely smooth(ish) - should not be an indicator. The power generation was massive I thought, as the generator was used to power a virtually impenetrable shield on Hoth...? I think a little bit of renovation - adding hangers, adding weapons emplacements - would make the Praetor very deadly.
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Eck: (slaps allegiance sd on the roof) this bad boy is 2.2 kilometers of raw destruction
Yeah where was Warhammer Halo Star Trek you know maybe do a part 2 and part 3 for this thing so you can bring out all of the battlecruisers from different sci-fi universes and then put them in a list
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Wish the CIS lasted longer so we got to see more advanced & larger ships
There is this concept of a 3km long cis ship which then turned into a republic landing ship
@@muslischeier2978 U mean the Bulwark. That's my top concern. The thing has a lot of weapons, has a lot of armor and heavy shielding and carries fighters. The Resistance owning that would be a concern.
Ehm, why? CiS never needed bigger ship and the ones they had were perfectly fine in terms of tech. They needed more carriers as their drone fighters could be launched in thousands from a small vessel compared to biggest republic and imperial carriers launching 7-8 dozens at max. Just mix in a few with warhead and order those to suicide ram republic capital ship when the whole swarm attacks.
@@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser nope, an actual concept ship which was turned into a republic gunboat for the movie
@@muslischeier2978 I don't know then.
As a maritime history buff, whenever I hear about sci fi battlecruisers being slow or plodding or anywhere near the archetypical "mighty glacier" I shudder. What defined them in real life was comparatively higher speed over their contemporary battleship cousins. Often achieved by thinning armor protection and upping engine power.
Kinda surprising too since the idea of a ship with high firepower and decent speed but vulnerable could play an interesting unique role in a sci-fi navy
Bakura destroyers in Awakening of the Rebellion are a goood example of this. Very fast ships, good firepower, not wonderful armour.
I suppose if we're bending the definition, Resurgent-clases *could* fit the role, sorta. I remember, in lore, because fuck knows they aren't in the films, it being said somewhere that in a straight line they could go at quite a pace.
Not to mention cruisers, destroyers, sometimes frigates... I get that these people didn't study naval hierarchy, but just quickly looking into common ship capabilities and roles could've given a much more interesting depth of ships to many sci fi franchises. Star Wars does seem to sometimes try to fix this, but overall it's a "problem" across much of sci fi
Me too, mate. Me too. Ship classification in Star Wars has always been headache inducing. They tried to fix it, only to make it much worse.
>Imposes that Allegiance is vulnerable without fighter support
>Alliegiance's countless point defense lasers: "Are we a joke to you?"
@@admiralwullfyularen6225 All I can say is look at the render yourself and see if you avoid looking at a PD turret.
@@admiralwullfyularen6225 Not at all, it's an entirely different vehicle. Sure, they share similarities in that they lack a large hangar (or any hangar in the case of tector) but everything else is different from reactor volume to the superstructure to armament
@@admiralwullfyularen6225 in lego starwars skywalker saga that's true when fighting ships like home one you just have to spam pt on it the ship has no weapons in lego starwars skywalker saga
@@admiralwullfyularen6225 Tectors has them too. PDs only gets bad on the ISD 2 line.
Yeah even point defense lasers it still isn’t gonna stop a a squadron of y wings
What about a video of Best Fleet Carriers/Carriers?
Venator, Secutor, Impellor, Endurance, Galactic, Acclamator etc.
Impellor is fanon but ok
Endurance Class Fleet Carrier, Galactic Class, Acclamator.
Quixotic Yes it is, but it’s also a good representative for the Empire
@@Sean-xc2so not really no...
it doesn't look like it has enough reactor space for the ammount of hangars AND weaponry it has
Secutor Carrie's way more fighters than the senator therefore ruling out the venator
"We have to consider each ship in terms of its era, not its objective characteristics, to keep the comparisons fair"
[Proceeds to rank the ships by era because later eras because later eras have more advanced tech]
Never change, Eckhart.
I want you to play more drunk Minecraft.. I laughed harder at that then I did anything in weeks...
Mario Kart is as good
EckhartsLadder don’t you mean berioo cart which sounds like a pirated game. I mean the gameplay you showed I saw the words Mario cart.
The Praetor is hard to judge, anyone who still uses it post the imperial era, would probably have gone out of their way to maximize it's firepower, since it seems to have room to spare.
They’re useful in Thrawns revenge pentastar and Eriadu Authority use at least one variant
The Pentastar Alignment used the carrier variant. It was also really effective.
I like how we hear you talking just nice and calm while also hearing the beerio kart audio play in the background.
The Resurgent class Star Destroyer is talked about so little when it’s one of the most powerful and best looking battleships in SW history. Like if I got the change to take on any Republic, Separatist,Imperial, Rebellion, Resistance or First Order battleship it would hands down be the resurgent.
What about the mc95 those things took on resurgence class star destroyers head on and won
Nah bro mc95 or the mediator is very possibly better as we have no way of really knowing as the mediator never really got to show off what is was capable of anyhow
What’s this? A new Eck video? Instantly made my day!
Nice profile pic
Dogi wan kenobi
The Resurgent might be my favorite capital ship in the SW universe. Such a cool design.
Now that I think about it, the Resurgent reminds me of the Ascendency for the Empire of the Hand, just on a battlecruiser size, and with less blue people.
Mark Thompson I liked the designs for the first order, I just though as an organization they were poorly handled. There should have been more imperial era tech to show that they’re a remnant of the empire.
@@punctuationman334 it would’ve been cool to see how the First Order would’ve panned out in Duel of the Fates instead of what happened to them in The Rise of Skywalker.
Which space dorito is the biggest :)
xD
This, my friend, is the true question
But what about the space Cheeto balls?
For a long Dorito, it's the Executor-class. For a wide Dorito, it's the Supremacy.
Sarcastic Femboy starkiller base
I adore the Resurgent, please do more vids on it. And the Bellator.
Love your channel!
My vote is for the NR Mediator. Mon Cal shields are quite possibly the best in Star Wars, and she would be fielding the best starfighters the galaxy had to offer: XJ's, E-Wings and K-Wings
The only reason everyone calls Mon Calamari ships the best in Star Wars is that the Givins’ ships are so sidelined, I don’t think we have the name of a single Givin ship model. For those who don’t know, the Givin are a species from Legends who come from a planet where tidal forces cause the atmosphere to pool up in certain places, creating a vacuum on much of the planet’s surface. The Givin can survive in a vacuum for a short time, but they also have to use math to predict when they will have air, making them a very math-savvy species. They eventually started applying their mastery of math to shipbuilding, creating starships that at least rivaled Mon Calamari engineering.
i think i single tear run down my cheek when i seen a notification from eck i know this vid will be good
The Resurgence is the best Battle cruiser so it cRuIsEs pass the Competition.
Nice
@@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser subjugator better
Still have to see it do _anything._ It's nice looking and they made up some shiny numbers on their propaganda essential guides. But did it do something on screen? Nope... Oh yeah, it launched 4 TIEs once... The Resurgent is the most artificially overrated ship ever. Never have I seen such a disappointing "beast". That thing can't even keep pace with a vulgar and outdated stripped down Mon Cal cruiser.
@@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser You're playing damage control Resurgent. You know that freighter was hit countless times, but somehow resisted the firepower of a ship that wrecked a corellian corvette in no time. That freighter is protected by an armor from Elsewhere, a ship that you were unable to prevent from reaching orbit and leave the system, might I had, despite the fact two of your TIEs were in close air support mission on site, and the freighter was hijacked by a slow ass heavy cargo ship that stayed in orbit for something like 15 minutes straight, while it was getting boarded by pirates.
Oh, and that TIE you shut down? It was piloted by _your_ prisoner, who escaped thanks to _your_ traitor, and who was able to easily destroy almost all of one section of your broadside battery: someone forgot to design hull-tight shields for you. What a shame. I have no trouble believing you actually _couldn't_ catch that Mon Cal, since you didn't even bother to try when you met her first, despite the fact you outnumbered her already, and she was standing there, stationary above her base. You didn't even fire one turbolaser in her direction. What kind of Destroyer are you? A Shy Destroyer? You've got some nice weaponry on paper but all we've seen so far is a TIE that you needed two missiles to wreck, and who destroyer about a dozen of your batteries in one row. Pretty underwhelming that's for sure.
Momma Imperial isn't impressed: she can bombard planets on her own, she's as fast as the Millenium Falcon, tracking that thing down for days without sweating. It takes a freaking asteroid field for days to kill her. She tears through corvettes and frigates in seconds when they don't have plot armour. She never had any of her crew deserting in mission. No fighter was ever able to destroy any or her batteries without taking out the shields first. She flown dozens of TIEs hurling towards her enemies, while you seem to have to respect a rule that forces you to launch only 4 TIEs in a row, no more. What a joke for a battlecruiser with so many hangar bays. It really looks like you are better at posing than acting.
@@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser Things that are great on paper but fails at basic missions don't deserve any love or care. You're just a pale imitation of your predecessor, desperately trying to outdo her, but always remaining in her shadow.
Don't you hate it when you come up with a genius idea for a comment but you realize someone already took it?
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@@skulDoofen You were supposed to continue the lineage with another L. Your ancestors are disappointed in you.
Thx Eck for giving me something to watch at the airport.
Have a safe flight
@@EckhartsLadder thanks
In my Star Wars Fanon universe, I created a modified ISD-1 Star Destroyer that could take on a good sized fleet and still come out on top. The ship’s name was the Thunderbolt, and while a large part of its success came from the tactical genius of its commander, Commodore Lorth Vize, it was still armored and armed at a level far enough past the typical Star Destroyer to give it the title of battlecruiser, in my opinion.
Upon his promotion to Admiral, Vize received a new ship, the Emperor’s Fury, but this ship, an Ultima-class flagship, the only ship in its class in my Fanon universe, would be categorized as a dreadnought in the Imperial Navy, as it was slightly larger than an Executor-class, with a massive, mile-long minigun that could be deployed from the underside, a weapon Vize affectionately refers to as “the Peacekeeper.”
Sounds pretty cool.
Some of your videos are like a drug to me, I sometimes just binge watch your videos
#AskEck So the Ruson reformation is basically the London Naval Treat in Star Wars?
Except mostly internally, and by everyone against everyone.
Littlewarriorz ehhhhhhh it’s like the treaty of Versailles. No naval ships over a certain length and tonnage, a max amount of soldiers for the galactic republic, no dedicated fighter corps, etc
Not trying to nitpick but I think it was written Ruusan. Your question is a good one though.
That's a pretty good comparison, but the Ruson reformation was on more than just the navy.
It’s Ruusan, not Ruson.
Allegiance class supported with lancers and a venator loaded with Tie-Defenders
With a secutor
and also getting filled to the brim with TIE Bombers And TIE Fighters
@@somedudethatripsplanetinha4221 Why bother with the TIE/LN? Defenders and Tie interdictors will do just fine
@Nicholas Halbur they are versatile, but I like a fleet of specialized craft
@Nicholas Halbur fleet of lancers, and cruisers
You forgot one major drawback of Resurgent star destroyers: they seem to have a maximum range of ~60 kilometers.
I've been out of the saddle with your videos because nothing has struck my fancy but this... this is classic Ecks and I can't say no
3:11 that moment when you watch the first scene in a new hope after years then see the ENDLESS Imperial Star Destroyer
I do wonder how the luchrehulk and subjugator classes would fare in this matchup
They would beat the Allegiance no doubt. The Praetor would defeat a Lucrehulk but a Subjugator would be too much. A fight between me and the Subjugator would be interesting, if it weren't for those Ion Cannons! We know too little about the Mediator
@@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser Vs Pallaeon Class
@@battleship6049It is easy to tell that 2 ISD's would beat a Pallaeon class star destroyer, whereas with me, it's not as clear. I could take one down, the real fight would be me against the Imperius class star destoryer, the big brother of the Pallaeon.
Thanks Eck for some fun beer-io kart last night, cheers to you and Charlie!
Great vid your the best eckarts keep up the hard work
Who would win? #StarshipVersus #AskEck
Resurgent vs. MC 85
Bellator vs. Resurgent
Nebula vs. Pelleaon
Belator with out a doubt its more than twice its size a d nearly triple the armermant
Wastydest 1. Resurgent, not even a contest 2. Bellator, again not a contest. 3. Difficult to decide because the Nebula had more heavy turbos and ions, but the pelleon was made in a later era so the power difference may be a factor because of technology advancing
Yes please!
Damn I love the Resurgent. Sure we never saw it do anything, but that's where your imagination comes in. Now, I'm not saying to make things up and say that they're canon, but you can still use canon information (like the Resurgent's 1500 plus turbolasers/point defence turrets) and imagine how they'd go in battle, among other things. My favourite star destroyer/battlecruiser/warship, etc.
Imagine if someone like Thrawn was in charge and had the First Order tech
Beerio Kart: translation, I get shit-faced drunk and race my homies
The First Order has an entire fleet of just battle cruisers. And fighters. They make the Empire look diverse and well rounded un comparison.
U forgot to mention that the Mediator was particularly tanky for a Mon Cal ship, as it could withstand a nuclear detonation in its hangar. It also packed an immense amount of firepower. While we don’t know exact details on its weapons, it has been stated that when a Mediator showed up in a system, the firepower it possessed was enough to make warring factions come to the negotiating table. I’m surprised u didn’t show the model used for the Mediator in the Awakening if the Rebellion mod
All other battlecruisers: *fight over who is best*
Subjugator (aka mallevolence): check this out! *activates ion cannon*
great video as always eck
The Resurgent-class Star Destroyer is a fast and agile ship. It could travel even faster than a First Order TIE Fighter if need be, however, such speed came at the cost of maneuverability. At top speeds, the ship needed a lot of counter-thrust, for even the smallest maneuver, thus in the hands of a reckless commander, the Resurgent could find itself out of control and even destroyed. The ship required the most experienced commanders in order to be piloted appropriately.
I eagerly await the day the Separatists make a glorious comeback since that navy and gunship compared.
I would love if the mediator becomes canon and gets an official image
Same with the Maelstrom
I swear, if I don't look directly at the face I keep seeing Big Bird instead of an alien shaking that imperial officers hand.
#AskEck
How would a confrontation/fight between the Nebula Star Destroyer and Starhawk Battleship turn out? And which is more well designed?
Justin Trujillo the Nebula is better designed/more powerful. The Nebula was created way later in the Legends NR era, and had better firing arcs, better shielding, and better fighters. Assuming The Starhawk had the same shield generators as the ISD (because the starhawk was literally thrown together with ISD parts) then the shielding on the Nebula would be vastly better. The starhawk also was active during 6-7 ABY, which meant it still carried rebel fighters, (A wing, Xwing Ywing probably no Bwings) if it even had a hangar, while the Nebula carried the next generation fighters (Ewing, Defender, Kwing T75 Xwing, J-Stealth Xwing). The 80 turbos, 20 Ion cannons and 10 concussion missile launchers are easily more firepower than the Starhawk could feasibly have. The only advantage the Starhawk could have is the stronger tractor beam, but that would probably be no effect in this fight. (The only reason a starhawk was able to pull down a SSD was because an entire fleet destroyed the engines, secondary engines, and it had a huge gravity assist from the planet of Jakku) I doubt it can normally pull a capital ship the size of a Nebula down normally without all those factors.
Almost half a million subscribers! Keep up the hard work!
That laughter at the beginning had me snickering throughout the whole video, lol.
>Not counting the SWTOR battle cruisers, but you do count a NR ship with no pictures or hard info.
Factions compared: UN Spacey VF-1 Valkyrie variable fighter( SDF Macross) vs terran Viking mech( Starcraft).
Valkyrie all the way.
Damn right. The Viking is a rip off that cannot Mecha our all the way.
Top Hat Society in Star Wars universe: *Finds Praetor-Class Battlecruiser
Ronald “Red Hat” Romney ( One of the 4 Top Hat Leaders ): “That is my ship, and my fellow Top Hat men shall get me more guns for it.
Always enjoy the factions compared. Especially with the different ships!!!
Gorgon Battlecruiser (Starcraft) vs the Resurgent Battlecruiser (Star Wars)
That's a tough call, both ships are champs, but we haven't really seen the Resurgent in action, Warfield used the Gorgons to gut whole zerg swarms.
@@lordfrostwind3151 and? Give me a few B-17's and I'd do even better then him, lol:D
@@TheArklyte oh yeah totally
Could you do a video on time travel in Star Wars mainly the time walk that we see in rebels.
Love your vids can’t wait till ep9 hopefully will bring us all joy🐶
Bish u thought
Battle cruisers in classic navy doctrine were ships armored like a heavy cruiser with cruiser speed but the guns of a battleship (a star destroyer). The idea was they would engage cruisers and hunt them down but run if faced with a battleship. The only time they would engage a battleship was in support of other friendly battleships. When they would go it alone you would have massive losses like the HMS Hood to the Bismarck. The idea in the Star Wars universe (as well as many others) that a battlecruiser was the biggest thing out there is just insane.
I always knew you find the Resergent the best. Well I do too
I want to see those bad boys in action, they're magnificent
Lord Frostwind I know
Lord Frostwind sadly, we may not get to since the First Order doesn’t really have enemies who use capital ships anymore. Hopefully I’m wrong though.
Evan Haskel Yeah. But who knows
*Exits Hyperspace*
"Like most imperial ships, the allegiance was made for... "
Me- destroy
Everyone rips on the First Order just because the new movies aren't popular, but really their technology outpaces pretty much all competition. Their ships and vehicles are excellent and their training program seems like it's nearly on par with what the Kaminoans used. Not to mention that they have intelligently redesigned Imperial assets to maintain a level of psychological warfare. Really I think their only flaw is that they train their officers with a little too much zeal, which makes them very overconfident
I agree. Damn the Fandom Menace!
I just realised 3 quaters of the way thru that the reformation thingys that limit ship stuff is exactly like the two london naval treaties after world war one to ensure there wasnt another naval arks race like between britian and germany before ww1. These treaties in turn limit british naval capacity for ww2 making it harder to eliminate german ships which were secretly built that broke treaty rules.
TL;DR the reformation thing mentioned is like the irl london naval treaties which hurt british naval dominance in ww2
The interwar naval treaties affected more than just britain and germany, they affected every major naval power. Including italy, the U.S., france, and japan, too.
The Allegiance really does show its Allegiance to the Galactic Empire.
1. Would the Bulwark III be considered the best Rebel/NR battlercruiser in Lucas Canon? It is 2500 meters. Meanwhile, in Disney Canon, the MC85 is 3000 meters and has incredible shields. We do not know very much in terms of what the Mediator looks like or it's precise size.
As for the CIS, what about the Lucrehulk?
I miss the Imperious class from Legacy. Such a sleek looking little ship capable of holding its own against an entire fleet of Paelleon class SDs.
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Me: *happy noises*
It was me, Krennic. It was me!
Great video. The Allegiance is my favourite of all these ships. It has flaws, but it's a highly specialised warship.
8:07, I just noticed how bad the marching of those clones is. They're not in time to each other, and they're supposed to be the best fighting force the Republic could get. I've seen better drill from Army Cadets.
The battlecruiser concept in naval architecture has always been a hybrid one: Outrun dreadnaughts and outgun cruisers and other similar caputal ships. BCs in the British and US Navies were intended to operate in semi independant squadrons as part of a Grand Fleet or independantly cruising the oceans chasing down commerce raiders. In Star Trek you see this concept in the Klingon D6, The Kzinti BCs ans CCs, the Romulan Birds of Prey and the Federation Heavy Cruisers such as the Hood and Excelsiors. The battlecruiser role is partly served in SW by the ISDs and ISD2s.
Eckharts, the Subjugator Class is truly a battlecruiser. Add it to this video, and I think it would win.
My headcanon is: The Praetor actually was set up with the ability to be REMODELED to have more weapons. Just in case the reformation was ever determined obsolete. So they made a ship with the necessary power generation and shields for a ship that size (at least at the time), and left it under-armed to avoid breaking the treaty. While perhaps at least leaving a reasonable number of redundant power conduits lying around at certain points to where you COULD potentially add the "rest" of the guns if it became necessary.
Obviously, it would not be suited to adding on turreted weaponry larger or more draining than the heaviest weapons available at the time it was designed and the demonstration model built (and obviously being no better suited to slapping on fixed weaponry than any other capital ship). And thus the Praetor 2 was essentially just the Praetor updated to be able to support more modern weapons, and coming standard with more weapons, but which was still left with "empty slots" on its hull that could be further augmented because, perhaps at the time it first started going into production, there was still debate on just how much the Reformation should be flouted and/or how going too far past it may result a bad image for the Republic.
And thus, the Praetor 2 came, in "base form" still under-armed, but still able to have more guns added to bring it to what you would expect from a ship that size if that were done. Who knows, with all the fleets engaging each other and mildly damaged vessels that needed repair, a number of Praetor 2s that got light damage may have been sent in for quick repairs that also silently added the "remaining" guns.
Edit: Oh, don't get me wrong. The more modern vessels likely are better battlecruisers usually, since they in their stock form don't require "sending in for repairs" to actually bring them up to their intended spec. But at the same time, I'm not sure I really consider the First Order "Star Destroyer" to really be a "Battlecruiser," as well, they don't seem to really treat it as such. Instead, its more like the First Order just wants to say that every ship class is bigger now, because TARKIIIIIIIIN and all that (hey, they made a PLANET into a superweapon just to show up those "puny" Death Stars, and then made the Mega Star Destroyer to show up those old executors, so yeah, this is a thing they do).
I would like to see the praetor made into a sort of praetor II model, where the reformations don’t hold it back (obv don’t just ignore it, have it be something rarely seen during the clone wars like how the CR series corvettes had an optional refit for combat! Or even a rebel cell heavily modifying it or turned into a small SSD)
The Subjugator class at just under 5km long is clearly the best battlecruiser.
Paul Apfelbaum dude there were like 5 of those made
Subjugator ((C L A S S)), that's not a cruiser.
@@tyaz6556 Huh? That is like saying a Venator class star destroyer is not a star destroyer
Okay Paul, let's put it this way. You would not call an aircraft carrier a cruiser, would you?
@@tyaz6556 I wouldn't but that is hardly relevant. The Subjugator class is between 2 and 5 km and so falls under the battlecruiser definition by the Araxes War College of Star Wars
your intro song is awesome
Factions compared is back :)))
Suggestion: best fan made craft.
I suggest the Revenge-class heavy carrier & the TIE Vector combo.
@Caedmon Kline A case of star-crossed lovers, both literally and figuratively.
For those wondering, in real life a battlecruiser was sort of a middle ground between the battleship and heavy cruiser. A battlecruiser was well-armed and armored, but not quite as well as a proper battleship. However, it made up for this by being much faster than a battleship. It could wreck anything on the sea except a battleship, which it could easily outrun.
...Then aircraft carriers became a thing and ruined all of the cool ship types.
@@khadenallast4495 The fast battleship was basically an upgrade of both the battlecruiser and the battleship, and the only way either of them stayed relevant in the carrier war.
Which Sci-Fi faction has the best Dropship | Valkyrie(40k) Phantom(Halo) LAAT(Star Wars) Warp Prism(Starcraft)
I would argue a battlecruiser in the RL sense would make tons of sense for the Empire. IRL battlecruisers were generally meant as anti-cruiser ships or to have a capital ship present when a battleship isn't available or able to do the job. Basically you make a ship that has the speed of a cruiser and has either the armor of a BB or the weaponry of a BB, or in this case a dreadnought.
A ship that is able to keep up with or chase down smaller ships (like the Rebellion favored) but still outgun or be too tough for them would be the bane of the republic. Just imagine a ship able to chase down and destroy anything, including Mon Cal cruisers 1v1 but able to run away from anything that outguns it which is only the rare dreadnought.
They need less crew and are cheaper to make so Dreadnoughts like the SSD can be used for defending key installations/planets or assaulting the most heavily defended planets while battlecruisers could be used to patrol hot zones, lead groups of SDs, escort interdictor cruisers and destroy what they catch, due to their speed they can be an emergency response force or lead one, etc.
Imagine if the Interdictor was actually a battlecruiser? Instead of being a relatively weak ship that needs defending it would be more powerful than most ships except for the larger Mon Cal cruisers. I'd argue such a ship would be about as perfect an anti-rebellion ship as one could get. Especially with a good complement of fighters and anti fighter turrets.
8:28 That blue ring effect shows Obi-Wan and Anakin's fighters passing through the Venator's shields? Whatever it is, I had never noticed it before!
I think that's engine residue, as they speed up and the engines get really bright at the exact same time
@@nickmalachai2227 Oh yeah that could be it.
The Mediator was said to be half the length of the Viscount BEFORE the Viscount was reckoned as a prototype of only 3000 meters.
So when the size of the Mediator was given it was compared to a full size Viscount dreadnought.
So over half of 17km = + 8,5 km.
It is the New Republic equivalent of the Bellator.
Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (569th try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*
Holy shit your still going
What are replicators?
@@silomurphy4451 Nasty nanobots from Star Gate, that can combine into larger, mostly insectoid forms. But they also form funny stuff like entire ships.
Hey Eckhart when I heard on this video that you love battlecruisers I realized that you & I have that in common.
i would've liked to have seen the Scythe-class battlecruiser from the Galactic Federation on here. speaking of, i think a video exploring its history and differences from the New Republic could be interesting
Don't forget the best one, the Centurion!
#AskEck What was the best/most effective ship built under *the Ruusan Reformation?*
Not just shear firepower, but from a _bang for you buck_ perspective - not nerfed dreadnaughts that cost a fortune.
A ship that just fit under the limits, but was a formidable design, and could perhaps even keep up during the clone wars as a midsized ship.
And side note, was the Acclamator legal under the Ruuson rules?
i think just make it under 1 kilometer but attach few turbo laser and call it transport😁
DAT OUTRO THO
Resurgent vs Nebula? :O Nice video btw
I am still waiting... still waiting
.. it's gonna be epic that's for sure.
I do love the Allegiance, one of my favourite imperial ships. The raw firepower of that ship.
Pellaon class Star Destroyer VS Nebula class Star Destroyer
United Mass Effect galaxy + the Reapers vs a Yuzhan Vong invasion
Eckharts ladder you should do a vs episode on Star Wars vs elite dangerous
In my Opinion, I would rank the battlecruisers like this:
1. Resurgent, for having over 1.500 Weapons and using kybercristals.
2. Praetor, even tho the weapons are not known, the MK2 version had 60 Heavy Quad Turbolasers, 40 Medium Twin Turbolasers, 10 Long Range Ion-Cannons and 30 Twin Ion cannons
3. The Allegience for having 12-Gun Batteries, 3 Axial Dual Heavy Turbolasers and 6 Trench Gun Batteries
4. I am putting the Mediator here, because it is known what, but not known how many weapons.
If you are disagreeing with something, just comment it.
You should do "which 4 sci fi factions has the BEST DREADNOUGHT"
#askEck Hey Eck, since we don't really see any FO support ships in the sequels, do you think the Resurgent Class is enough of an upgrade over the ISD (in that it has a high degree of mulit-role functionality to overcome the ISD's greatest weaknesses - against fighters for example) to warrant it being the only ship in fleet formations, save for larger dreadnoughts and the Supremacy?
Battle cruisers are such a cool class to have in the Star Wars universe. Dreadnoughts are Idea for flag ships and are always an imposing and game changing weapon of war. But Dreadnoughts are the most expensive maintain and costly to build of offense capital ships. Where as Battle Cruisers pack just enough fire power with out having to stupidly big and still provide an effective force multiplier on the battlefield. It also means you aren't advertising your most powerful ships to your enemy either. Dreadnoughts really are meant for your biggest and toughest space clashes with your enemies when you have very a large fleet with lots of ships to support it. Also Dreadnoughts along with any kind of super carrier are your ace cards meaning you want to keep them defending core worlds or in reserve when needed while still maintaining combat readiness for the crews. Battle Cruisers are more flexible typically and aren't so big that the enemy detect you well in advance. So they are easier to fit into smaller defense or offensive fleets when needed as an extra set of fire power while still maintaining a certain level of speed and surprise on the enemy. Also Battle Cruisers are more readily available when radio in for support and can be battle ready faster than a dreadnought could as dreadnought has huge amount of pre battle tasks by the crew before launch and make sure all the logistics are in order which would take time. Yes even Battle Cruiser would have a fair amount of that work and up keep to do to but still a lot less then a dreadnought. Standard heavy cruisers are the Backbone of a navy and can handle most jobs and conflicts with other smaller supporting ships. But Battle Cruisers are a good investment as they are nice go between a standard heavy cruiser and a Battleship. As if you want to send more powerful ships when needed but don't want risk your most powerful naval assets in smaller base conflicts that the dreadnought couldn't reach its full potential that's were battle cruisers come in handy. And you can keep your battleships in reserve hidden away deep in your territory of space defending core worlds or preparing them for large scale offensive at a later time when you can attack key asset's and worlds of your enemy catching them off guard when they least expect it. But that's my opinion. And personally I agree that the FSO Star Destroyer is the best and most versatile battle cruiser design as its product of lessons learned from the Galactic Civil War.
@@khadenallast4495 Well yah realistically less. But I am talking in Star Wars. Like normal ISD to a SSD might as well be a frigate in comparison the dam thing is like 20km long compared like 1.7km of normal ISD. so a normal ISD makes sense in that regard. But yes looking at from the point of democratic government like Republic or the Real World then yes its excessive. But when your an Emperor ruling the Galaxy through fear and are compensating for a small one eyed touser snake of course its realistic to expect a size of ship of a small city or large town roughly. Okay Even the Death Stars, Star Killer Base and Snokes Mega Star destroyer of 60kms long make even an imperial SSD look reasonable at its excess 20kms long. Your looking at it from a real world perspective or that of logical and practical military developed by a group of military designers in democratic society where opinions differ how the navy should be designed around to suit the factions needs. Now if you get into the Mind of Emperor Palpatine a Sith Lord and Tyrant who wants to do anything to assert is control of the galaxy. He gonna want big scary tools of war that might not make sense practically but good for pyschological warfare and Political gains that further legitimizes his rule of the galaxy. Of course his navy is gonna made up of giant cool looking but not really effective kinda warships. And one who criticizes his zanny crazy ideas is gonna either be force zapped to death by him, Choked by Vader, executed for treason worse end , better end discredited and or demoted and booed by every Storm trooper that serves the empire lol.
@@khadenallast4495 Yes but Star Wars is fantasy and just fun it doesn't have to make sense. If you don't like that about Star Wars that is your problem. With in the realm of Star Wars I was just saying by the star wars universe. Not realistic of Course the ships are to absurd for the real world but who cares. As a fan I don't watch star wars cause its logical and make sense. I watch it because its fantasy and doesn't make sense. Yes because people with supernatural powers and wielding laser swords its totally normal. Of course not and if you gonna watch star wars for realism then might as well not watch at all. Star Wars is awesome because it doesn't make sense and has crazy moon and planet sized super weapons. Of course shit is to big but thats the point of it. Yes an AT-AT or AT-M6 are way to big for Mechs but so what they are still cool and entertaining all the same to see or fun to use in Star Wars video games. Look I wasn't trying to be super serious and logical about it. My point was do I want to use a stupid big ship or the extremely massive stupid ship for an up coming space battle lmao.
Okay I don't care that sizes are realistic the bigger the warship the cooler it is and how awesome it is to see heavy weight throw downs lol.
@@khadenallast4495 Yes but that's up to a factions needs and yes I can understand the sequels have been the best exact sizes. Yes it does make sense things should be smaller in a weakened faction. But the Produces wanted to make a more powerful version of the empire to an extent but failed to give consistent data on ship specs. But even if the info is made on the spot enough people will estimate on what they think the sizes should be and hopefully eventually we will have a universally excepted standard. But again purpose and use is up to a factions needs and what they want. Look Battle Cruisers and Dreadnoughts more or less aren't going to be used as much as smaller more mass produce able warships. But its still nice to have them just in case as its better to have larger Capital ships on stand by if needed If your Faction has the credits to maintain the operating costs of such warships then to not have any when you really need to have them. Its a White Elephant concept and debatable if you need any thing more powerful than a standard ISD 2 lol. But personally I like the option to just in case if needed. But again i do see your point its all preference thing lol.
FACTIONS COMPARED WHOOOO
EckhartsLadder: " Mon Calamari warships basically dominated every era."
Eclipse Super Star Destroyer: Not on my watch, pew, pew
Viscount Class Star Defender: Boom! Also Viscount Class Star Defender: MON CALAMARI
Me: You have no proof!
Proof: Boom!
YES
I would say the Allegiance is my favourite of these four battle cruisers, not just a bias opinion but because of familiarity with using it often in Empire at War long as you can keep producing them at 11,000 credits each. I have no doubt the Resurgent is a great ship but we have not seen much of it in major fleet action either. Perhaps if there is a First Order Mod I would check it out. The Praetor always struck me as a great bulky ship with that roll of a tower but can easily be overwhelmed when bombers and sustained fire are brought against it since I have destroyed many that way.
I saw "Battlecruiser" and instantly thought StarCraft. Can you do Protoss vs Covenant?
Vs matchup
Brute or Brute chieftain from Halo vs A Predator from the Predator franchise. With 2 rounds First round unarmed and unarmored. Second round fully armed and armored
Also predator vs Sangheili stealth minor or Spec Ops Sangheili
Does the Chieftain have invincibility?
@@billclark5055 The Jiralhanae are already have an incredible degree of strength and resilience. Why would you give them *invincibility?
@@self-satisfiedsmirk5544 I agree that the chieftain should not have invincibility, which is why I asked. The chieftain stomps if he gets that ability.
@@self-satisfiedsmirk5544 The chieftain also stomps if its a close combat fight. The predator's best chance is to fight from the distance. Even a brute captain would be tough for a predator to beat in close combat.
Dunno bout anyone else but the Mon Cal Mediator sounds like 1 great Carrier/Battleship. Seein it's well thought out and can fulfill BOTH roles really well an proved itself against some of what I'm assuming were the best and most formidable Star Destroyers of the time.
Also if you go back to Sci-fi universes compared, how about Marvel/X-Men Mutants vs Force Users?
Captain Marvel vs Rey
Mary Sue death match
Venator
Me when I was a kid:Jar-Jar space ship?
I feel like the Praetor if refitted with armaments could probably go toe to toe with the allegiance but I think it would lose handily to the others unless it had something crazy put on it
If the praetor is modular, and all of its systems can be easily pulled out and replaced then it could easily surprise with its performance. I'm not too familiar on the lore about it but if you could easily retrofit the ship with modern star wars tech it'd be an absolute beast. If its systems weren't built with future proofing in mind it'd probably just be a massive distraction for the enemy. Something to draw fire away from other ships in your fleet. It's performance is therefore entirely up in the air.
If I was in charge of such a project I'd make sure that when the time came everything in the ship, including the armor itself could be upgraded easily and for less cost than building a whole new ship. If you're going to build a beast of a ship that big it better be future proofed because building a new ship to replace it every time technology advances would be a nightmare.
Are there actual cannon number for the Praetor's weapons? Becuase the ISD does not look like it has anywhere near 100 weapons emplacements, but it does. So the few spotty weapons emplacements - in areas where the ISD's hull is largely smooth(ish) - should not be an indicator. The power generation was massive I thought, as the generator was used to power a virtually impenetrable shield on Hoth...?
I think a little bit of renovation - adding hangers, adding weapons emplacements - would make the Praetor very deadly.