Yeah where was Warhammer Halo Star Trek you know maybe do a part 2 and part 3 for this thing so you can bring out all of the battlecruisers from different sci-fi universes and then put them in a list
@@muslischeier2978 U mean the Bulwark. That's my top concern. The thing has a lot of weapons, has a lot of armor and heavy shielding and carries fighters. The Resistance owning that would be a concern.
Ehm, why? CiS never needed bigger ship and the ones they had were perfectly fine in terms of tech. They needed more carriers as their drone fighters could be launched in thousands from a small vessel compared to biggest republic and imperial carriers launching 7-8 dozens at max. Just mix in a few with warhead and order those to suicide ram republic capital ship when the whole swarm attacks.
As a maritime history buff, whenever I hear about sci fi battlecruisers being slow or plodding or anywhere near the archetypical "mighty glacier" I shudder. What defined them in real life was comparatively higher speed over their contemporary battleship cousins. Often achieved by thinning armor protection and upping engine power.
Kinda surprising too since the idea of a ship with high firepower and decent speed but vulnerable could play an interesting unique role in a sci-fi navy
I suppose if we're bending the definition, Resurgent-clases *could* fit the role, sorta. I remember, in lore, because fuck knows they aren't in the films, it being said somewhere that in a straight line they could go at quite a pace.
Not to mention cruisers, destroyers, sometimes frigates... I get that these people didn't study naval hierarchy, but just quickly looking into common ship capabilities and roles could've given a much more interesting depth of ships to many sci fi franchises. Star Wars does seem to sometimes try to fix this, but overall it's a "problem" across much of sci fi
@@admiralwullfyularen6225 Not at all, it's an entirely different vehicle. Sure, they share similarities in that they lack a large hangar (or any hangar in the case of tector) but everything else is different from reactor volume to the superstructure to armament
@@admiralwullfyularen6225 in lego starwars skywalker saga that's true when fighting ships like home one you just have to spam pt on it the ship has no weapons in lego starwars skywalker saga
"We have to consider each ship in terms of its era, not its objective characteristics, to keep the comparisons fair" [Proceeds to rank the ships by era because later eras because later eras have more advanced tech] Never change, Eckhart.
The Praetor is hard to judge, anyone who still uses it post the imperial era, would probably have gone out of their way to maximize it's firepower, since it seems to have room to spare.
Littlewarriorz ehhhhhhh it’s like the treaty of Versailles. No naval ships over a certain length and tonnage, a max amount of soldiers for the galactic republic, no dedicated fighter corps, etc
The Resurgent class Star Destroyer is talked about so little when it’s one of the most powerful and best looking battleships in SW history. Like if I got the change to take on any Republic, Separatist,Imperial, Rebellion, Resistance or First Order battleship it would hands down be the resurgent.
Nah bro mc95 or the mediator is very possibly better as we have no way of really knowing as the mediator never really got to show off what is was capable of anyhow
Still have to see it do _anything._ It's nice looking and they made up some shiny numbers on their propaganda essential guides. But did it do something on screen? Nope... Oh yeah, it launched 4 TIEs once... The Resurgent is the most artificially overrated ship ever. Never have I seen such a disappointing "beast". That thing can't even keep pace with a vulgar and outdated stripped down Mon Cal cruiser.
@@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser You're playing damage control Resurgent. You know that freighter was hit countless times, but somehow resisted the firepower of a ship that wrecked a corellian corvette in no time. That freighter is protected by an armor from Elsewhere, a ship that you were unable to prevent from reaching orbit and leave the system, might I had, despite the fact two of your TIEs were in close air support mission on site, and the freighter was hijacked by a slow ass heavy cargo ship that stayed in orbit for something like 15 minutes straight, while it was getting boarded by pirates. Oh, and that TIE you shut down? It was piloted by _your_ prisoner, who escaped thanks to _your_ traitor, and who was able to easily destroy almost all of one section of your broadside battery: someone forgot to design hull-tight shields for you. What a shame. I have no trouble believing you actually _couldn't_ catch that Mon Cal, since you didn't even bother to try when you met her first, despite the fact you outnumbered her already, and she was standing there, stationary above her base. You didn't even fire one turbolaser in her direction. What kind of Destroyer are you? A Shy Destroyer? You've got some nice weaponry on paper but all we've seen so far is a TIE that you needed two missiles to wreck, and who destroyer about a dozen of your batteries in one row. Pretty underwhelming that's for sure. Momma Imperial isn't impressed: she can bombard planets on her own, she's as fast as the Millenium Falcon, tracking that thing down for days without sweating. It takes a freaking asteroid field for days to kill her. She tears through corvettes and frigates in seconds when they don't have plot armour. She never had any of her crew deserting in mission. No fighter was ever able to destroy any or her batteries without taking out the shields first. She flown dozens of TIEs hurling towards her enemies, while you seem to have to respect a rule that forces you to launch only 4 TIEs in a row, no more. What a joke for a battlecruiser with so many hangar bays. It really looks like you are better at posing than acting.
@@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser Things that are great on paper but fails at basic missions don't deserve any love or care. You're just a pale imitation of your predecessor, desperately trying to outdo her, but always remaining in her shadow.
My vote is for the NR Mediator. Mon Cal shields are quite possibly the best in Star Wars, and she would be fielding the best starfighters the galaxy had to offer: XJ's, E-Wings and K-Wings
The only reason everyone calls Mon Calamari ships the best in Star Wars is that the Givins’ ships are so sidelined, I don’t think we have the name of a single Givin ship model. For those who don’t know, the Givin are a species from Legends who come from a planet where tidal forces cause the atmosphere to pool up in certain places, creating a vacuum on much of the planet’s surface. The Givin can survive in a vacuum for a short time, but they also have to use math to predict when they will have air, making them a very math-savvy species. They eventually started applying their mastery of math to shipbuilding, creating starships that at least rivaled Mon Calamari engineering.
They would beat the Allegiance no doubt. The Praetor would defeat a Lucrehulk but a Subjugator would be too much. A fight between me and the Subjugator would be interesting, if it weren't for those Ion Cannons! We know too little about the Mediator
@@battleship6049It is easy to tell that 2 ISD's would beat a Pallaeon class star destroyer, whereas with me, it's not as clear. I could take one down, the real fight would be me against the Imperius class star destoryer, the big brother of the Pallaeon.
Now that I think about it, the Resurgent reminds me of the Ascendency for the Empire of the Hand, just on a battlecruiser size, and with less blue people.
Mark Thompson I liked the designs for the first order, I just though as an organization they were poorly handled. There should have been more imperial era tech to show that they’re a remnant of the empire.
@@punctuationman334 it would’ve been cool to see how the First Order would’ve panned out in Duel of the Fates instead of what happened to them in The Rise of Skywalker.
Wastydest 1. Resurgent, not even a contest 2. Bellator, again not a contest. 3. Difficult to decide because the Nebula had more heavy turbos and ions, but the pelleon was made in a later era so the power difference may be a factor because of technology advancing
Justin Trujillo the Nebula is better designed/more powerful. The Nebula was created way later in the Legends NR era, and had better firing arcs, better shielding, and better fighters. Assuming The Starhawk had the same shield generators as the ISD (because the starhawk was literally thrown together with ISD parts) then the shielding on the Nebula would be vastly better. The starhawk also was active during 6-7 ABY, which meant it still carried rebel fighters, (A wing, Xwing Ywing probably no Bwings) if it even had a hangar, while the Nebula carried the next generation fighters (Ewing, Defender, Kwing T75 Xwing, J-Stealth Xwing). The 80 turbos, 20 Ion cannons and 10 concussion missile launchers are easily more firepower than the Starhawk could feasibly have. The only advantage the Starhawk could have is the stronger tractor beam, but that would probably be no effect in this fight. (The only reason a starhawk was able to pull down a SSD was because an entire fleet destroyed the engines, secondary engines, and it had a huge gravity assist from the planet of Jakku) I doubt it can normally pull a capital ship the size of a Nebula down normally without all those factors.
U forgot to mention that the Mediator was particularly tanky for a Mon Cal ship, as it could withstand a nuclear detonation in its hangar. It also packed an immense amount of firepower. While we don’t know exact details on its weapons, it has been stated that when a Mediator showed up in a system, the firepower it possessed was enough to make warring factions come to the negotiating table. I’m surprised u didn’t show the model used for the Mediator in the Awakening if the Rebellion mod
1. Would the Bulwark III be considered the best Rebel/NR battlercruiser in Lucas Canon? It is 2500 meters. Meanwhile, in Disney Canon, the MC85 is 3000 meters and has incredible shields. We do not know very much in terms of what the Mediator looks like or it's precise size. As for the CIS, what about the Lucrehulk?
Damn I love the Resurgent. Sure we never saw it do anything, but that's where your imagination comes in. Now, I'm not saying to make things up and say that they're canon, but you can still use canon information (like the Resurgent's 1500 plus turbolasers/point defence turrets) and imagine how they'd go in battle, among other things. My favourite star destroyer/battlecruiser/warship, etc.
Top Hat Society in Star Wars universe: *Finds Praetor-Class Battlecruiser Ronald “Red Hat” Romney ( One of the 4 Top Hat Leaders ): “That is my ship, and my fellow Top Hat men shall get me more guns for it.
In my Star Wars Fanon universe, I created a modified ISD-1 Star Destroyer that could take on a good sized fleet and still come out on top. The ship’s name was the Thunderbolt, and while a large part of its success came from the tactical genius of its commander, Commodore Lorth Vize, it was still armored and armed at a level far enough past the typical Star Destroyer to give it the title of battlecruiser, in my opinion.
Upon his promotion to Admiral, Vize received a new ship, the Emperor’s Fury, but this ship, an Ultima-class flagship, the only ship in its class in my Fanon universe, would be categorized as a dreadnought in the Imperial Navy, as it was slightly larger than an Executor-class, with a massive, mile-long minigun that could be deployed from the underside, a weapon Vize affectionately refers to as “the Peacekeeper.”
#askEck Hey Eck, since we don't really see any FO support ships in the sequels, do you think the Resurgent Class is enough of an upgrade over the ISD (in that it has a high degree of mulit-role functionality to overcome the ISD's greatest weaknesses - against fighters for example) to warrant it being the only ship in fleet formations, save for larger dreadnoughts and the Supremacy?
The Resurgent-class Star Destroyer is a fast and agile ship. It could travel even faster than a First Order TIE Fighter if need be, however, such speed came at the cost of maneuverability. At top speeds, the ship needed a lot of counter-thrust, for even the smallest maneuver, thus in the hands of a reckless commander, the Resurgent could find itself out of control and even destroyed. The ship required the most experienced commanders in order to be piloted appropriately.
Could you do a video on time travel in Star Wars mainly the time walk that we see in rebels. Love your vids can’t wait till ep9 hopefully will bring us all joy🐶
Battle cruisers in classic navy doctrine were ships armored like a heavy cruiser with cruiser speed but the guns of a battleship (a star destroyer). The idea was they would engage cruisers and hunt them down but run if faced with a battleship. The only time they would engage a battleship was in support of other friendly battleships. When they would go it alone you would have massive losses like the HMS Hood to the Bismarck. The idea in the Star Wars universe (as well as many others) that a battlecruiser was the biggest thing out there is just insane.
I just realised 3 quaters of the way thru that the reformation thingys that limit ship stuff is exactly like the two london naval treaties after world war one to ensure there wasnt another naval arks race like between britian and germany before ww1. These treaties in turn limit british naval capacity for ww2 making it harder to eliminate german ships which were secretly built that broke treaty rules. TL;DR the reformation thing mentioned is like the irl london naval treaties which hurt british naval dominance in ww2
The interwar naval treaties affected more than just britain and germany, they affected every major naval power. Including italy, the U.S., france, and japan, too.
I know it sounds wierd but the most important part of any naval vessel is a competent crew( damage control, weapon operation, star fighter launch and recovery ect..., can you do a factions compared about the crews?
Great video. The Allegiance is my favourite of all these ships. It has flaws, but it's a highly specialised warship. 8:07, I just noticed how bad the marching of those clones is. They're not in time to each other, and they're supposed to be the best fighting force the Republic could get. I've seen better drill from Army Cadets.
In most SciFi universes "Battlecruiser" is used to describe some sleek looking capital ship and is sometimes more or less synonymous with battleship. Does the Star Wars universe have a ship type that is comparable in its roll within the fleet to the original RL battlecruiser concept?
Are there actual cannon number for the Praetor's weapons? Becuase the ISD does not look like it has anywhere near 100 weapons emplacements, but it does. So the few spotty weapons emplacements - in areas where the ISD's hull is largely smooth(ish) - should not be an indicator. The power generation was massive I thought, as the generator was used to power a virtually impenetrable shield on Hoth...? I think a little bit of renovation - adding hangers, adding weapons emplacements - would make the Praetor very deadly.
#AskEck What was the best/most effective ship built under *the Ruusan Reformation?* Not just shear firepower, but from a _bang for you buck_ perspective - not nerfed dreadnaughts that cost a fortune. A ship that just fit under the limits, but was a formidable design, and could perhaps even keep up during the clone wars as a midsized ship. And side note, was the Acclamator legal under the Ruuson rules?
i would've liked to have seen the Scythe-class battlecruiser from the Galactic Federation on here. speaking of, i think a video exploring its history and differences from the New Republic could be interesting
The battlecruiser concept in naval architecture has always been a hybrid one: Outrun dreadnaughts and outgun cruisers and other similar caputal ships. BCs in the British and US Navies were intended to operate in semi independant squadrons as part of a Grand Fleet or independantly cruising the oceans chasing down commerce raiders. In Star Trek you see this concept in the Klingon D6, The Kzinti BCs ans CCs, the Romulan Birds of Prey and the Federation Heavy Cruisers such as the Hood and Excelsiors. The battlecruiser role is partly served in SW by the ISDs and ISD2s.
I want to here some people opinions. What ship do you think would win in a one on one fight, a Imperial Allegiance battle cruiser or the first orders resurgent class start destroyer (with no star fighter support)
So here's a question that l keep going back and forth on. Which is better a Crusader Corvette or a Lancer Frigate? The way I see it is this, The Crusader is cheaper if we go off of Wookieepedia. It has decent cargo space, a great number of Lasers for its size, a small crew requirement, and a class 1 hyperdrive. But in looking at the Lancer it also has good cargo space, Great laser coverage and can have a class 1 hyperdrive. It losing when it comes to crew size however that doesn't matter all that much. The Crusader seems to be punching up in weight class, I'm not really sure though.
#AskEck can you explain why there is a "small" number of heavy weapons (i.e. turbo lasers and/or batteries) on capital ships? I've never understood the low numbers on such large and larger ships.
How about a fleet versus? The rebel fleet at endor vs the federation fleet at wolf 359. They are both in a desperate situation putting a uneven fleet at the last moment
My headcanon is: The Praetor actually was set up with the ability to be REMODELED to have more weapons. Just in case the reformation was ever determined obsolete. So they made a ship with the necessary power generation and shields for a ship that size (at least at the time), and left it under-armed to avoid breaking the treaty. While perhaps at least leaving a reasonable number of redundant power conduits lying around at certain points to where you COULD potentially add the "rest" of the guns if it became necessary. Obviously, it would not be suited to adding on turreted weaponry larger or more draining than the heaviest weapons available at the time it was designed and the demonstration model built (and obviously being no better suited to slapping on fixed weaponry than any other capital ship). And thus the Praetor 2 was essentially just the Praetor updated to be able to support more modern weapons, and coming standard with more weapons, but which was still left with "empty slots" on its hull that could be further augmented because, perhaps at the time it first started going into production, there was still debate on just how much the Reformation should be flouted and/or how going too far past it may result a bad image for the Republic. And thus, the Praetor 2 came, in "base form" still under-armed, but still able to have more guns added to bring it to what you would expect from a ship that size if that were done. Who knows, with all the fleets engaging each other and mildly damaged vessels that needed repair, a number of Praetor 2s that got light damage may have been sent in for quick repairs that also silently added the "remaining" guns. Edit: Oh, don't get me wrong. The more modern vessels likely are better battlecruisers usually, since they in their stock form don't require "sending in for repairs" to actually bring them up to their intended spec. But at the same time, I'm not sure I really consider the First Order "Star Destroyer" to really be a "Battlecruiser," as well, they don't seem to really treat it as such. Instead, its more like the First Order just wants to say that every ship class is bigger now, because TARKIIIIIIIIN and all that (hey, they made a PLANET into a superweapon just to show up those "puny" Death Stars, and then made the Mega Star Destroyer to show up those old executors, so yeah, this is a thing they do).
I have never understood the a Alliegnces 'no fighter'. I mean it must have some form of hanger or how on earth do you man it. At that point it might as well carry at least a wing.
Everyone rips on the First Order just because the new movies aren't popular, but really their technology outpaces pretty much all competition. Their ships and vehicles are excellent and their training program seems like it's nearly on par with what the Kaminoans used. Not to mention that they have intelligently redesigned Imperial assets to maintain a level of psychological warfare. Really I think their only flaw is that they train their officers with a little too much zeal, which makes them very overconfident
I would say the Allegiance is my favourite of these four battle cruisers, not just a bias opinion but because of familiarity with using it often in Empire at War long as you can keep producing them at 11,000 credits each. I have no doubt the Resurgent is a great ship but we have not seen much of it in major fleet action either. Perhaps if there is a First Order Mod I would check it out. The Praetor always struck me as a great bulky ship with that roll of a tower but can easily be overwhelmed when bombers and sustained fire are brought against it since I have destroyed many that way.
One question: It sounded like Battlecruiser are bigger than battleships. This would be wrong, going after Naval terms (I searched once on Wikipedia). The Gneisenau (German Battlecruiser in WWII) was definitely smaller than same age Battleships, while being faster and lighter gunnery, but all with similar or slightly smaller costs and crew complements. The Hood for example is a famous Battlecruiser. (I know the StarWars universe has problems with that, but in real life this was hard too.)
Vs matchup Brute or Brute chieftain from Halo vs A Predator from the Predator franchise. With 2 rounds First round unarmed and unarmored. Second round fully armed and armored
@@self-satisfiedsmirk5544 I agree that the chieftain should not have invincibility, which is why I asked. The chieftain stomps if he gets that ability.
@@self-satisfiedsmirk5544 The chieftain also stomps if its a close combat fight. The predator's best chance is to fight from the distance. Even a brute captain would be tough for a predator to beat in close combat.
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Eck: (slaps allegiance sd on the roof) this bad boy is 2.2 kilometers of raw destruction
Yeah where was Warhammer Halo Star Trek you know maybe do a part 2 and part 3 for this thing so you can bring out all of the battlecruisers from different sci-fi universes and then put them in a list
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start ship vs ship plz
Wish the CIS lasted longer so we got to see more advanced & larger ships
There is this concept of a 3km long cis ship which then turned into a republic landing ship
@@muslischeier2978 U mean the Bulwark. That's my top concern. The thing has a lot of weapons, has a lot of armor and heavy shielding and carries fighters. The Resistance owning that would be a concern.
Ehm, why? CiS never needed bigger ship and the ones they had were perfectly fine in terms of tech. They needed more carriers as their drone fighters could be launched in thousands from a small vessel compared to biggest republic and imperial carriers launching 7-8 dozens at max. Just mix in a few with warhead and order those to suicide ram republic capital ship when the whole swarm attacks.
@@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser nope, an actual concept ship which was turned into a republic gunboat for the movie
@@muslischeier2978 I don't know then.
What about a video of Best Fleet Carriers/Carriers?
Venator, Secutor, Impellor, Endurance, Galactic, Acclamator etc.
Impellor is fanon but ok
Endurance Class Fleet Carrier, Galactic Class, Acclamator.
Quixotic Yes it is, but it’s also a good representative for the Empire
@@Sean-xc2so not really no...
it doesn't look like it has enough reactor space for the ammount of hangars AND weaponry it has
Secutor Carrie's way more fighters than the senator therefore ruling out the venator
As a maritime history buff, whenever I hear about sci fi battlecruisers being slow or plodding or anywhere near the archetypical "mighty glacier" I shudder. What defined them in real life was comparatively higher speed over their contemporary battleship cousins. Often achieved by thinning armor protection and upping engine power.
Kinda surprising too since the idea of a ship with high firepower and decent speed but vulnerable could play an interesting unique role in a sci-fi navy
Bakura destroyers in Awakening of the Rebellion are a goood example of this. Very fast ships, good firepower, not wonderful armour.
I suppose if we're bending the definition, Resurgent-clases *could* fit the role, sorta. I remember, in lore, because fuck knows they aren't in the films, it being said somewhere that in a straight line they could go at quite a pace.
Not to mention cruisers, destroyers, sometimes frigates... I get that these people didn't study naval hierarchy, but just quickly looking into common ship capabilities and roles could've given a much more interesting depth of ships to many sci fi franchises. Star Wars does seem to sometimes try to fix this, but overall it's a "problem" across much of sci fi
Me too, mate. Me too. Ship classification in Star Wars has always been headache inducing. They tried to fix it, only to make it much worse.
>Imposes that Allegiance is vulnerable without fighter support
>Alliegiance's countless point defense lasers: "Are we a joke to you?"
@@admiralwullfyularen6225 All I can say is look at the render yourself and see if you avoid looking at a PD turret.
@@admiralwullfyularen6225 Not at all, it's an entirely different vehicle. Sure, they share similarities in that they lack a large hangar (or any hangar in the case of tector) but everything else is different from reactor volume to the superstructure to armament
@@admiralwullfyularen6225 in lego starwars skywalker saga that's true when fighting ships like home one you just have to spam pt on it the ship has no weapons in lego starwars skywalker saga
@@admiralwullfyularen6225 Tectors has them too. PDs only gets bad on the ISD 2 line.
Yeah even point defense lasers it still isn’t gonna stop a a squadron of y wings
"We have to consider each ship in terms of its era, not its objective characteristics, to keep the comparisons fair"
[Proceeds to rank the ships by era because later eras because later eras have more advanced tech]
Never change, Eckhart.
I want you to play more drunk Minecraft.. I laughed harder at that then I did anything in weeks...
Mario Kart is as good
EckhartsLadder don’t you mean berioo cart which sounds like a pirated game. I mean the gameplay you showed I saw the words Mario cart.
Which space dorito is the biggest :)
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This, my friend, is the true question
But what about the space Cheeto balls?
For a long Dorito, it's the Executor-class. For a wide Dorito, it's the Supremacy.
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The Praetor is hard to judge, anyone who still uses it post the imperial era, would probably have gone out of their way to maximize it's firepower, since it seems to have room to spare.
They’re useful in Thrawns revenge pentastar and Eriadu Authority use at least one variant
The Pentastar Alignment used the carrier variant. It was also really effective.
I like how we hear you talking just nice and calm while also hearing the beerio kart audio play in the background.
#AskEck So the Ruson reformation is basically the London Naval Treat in Star Wars?
Except mostly internally, and by everyone against everyone.
Littlewarriorz ehhhhhhh it’s like the treaty of Versailles. No naval ships over a certain length and tonnage, a max amount of soldiers for the galactic republic, no dedicated fighter corps, etc
Not trying to nitpick but I think it was written Ruusan. Your question is a good one though.
That's a pretty good comparison, but the Ruson reformation was on more than just the navy.
It’s Ruusan, not Ruson.
What’s this? A new Eck video? Instantly made my day!
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The Resurgent class Star Destroyer is talked about so little when it’s one of the most powerful and best looking battleships in SW history. Like if I got the change to take on any Republic, Separatist,Imperial, Rebellion, Resistance or First Order battleship it would hands down be the resurgent.
What about the mc95 those things took on resurgence class star destroyers head on and won
Nah bro mc95 or the mediator is very possibly better as we have no way of really knowing as the mediator never really got to show off what is was capable of anyhow
I adore the Resurgent, please do more vids on it. And the Bellator.
Love your channel!
i think i single tear run down my cheek when i seen a notification from eck i know this vid will be good
The Resurgence is the best Battle cruiser so it cRuIsEs pass the Competition.
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@@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser subjugator better
Still have to see it do _anything._ It's nice looking and they made up some shiny numbers on their propaganda essential guides. But did it do something on screen? Nope... Oh yeah, it launched 4 TIEs once... The Resurgent is the most artificially overrated ship ever. Never have I seen such a disappointing "beast". That thing can't even keep pace with a vulgar and outdated stripped down Mon Cal cruiser.
@@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser You're playing damage control Resurgent. You know that freighter was hit countless times, but somehow resisted the firepower of a ship that wrecked a corellian corvette in no time. That freighter is protected by an armor from Elsewhere, a ship that you were unable to prevent from reaching orbit and leave the system, might I had, despite the fact two of your TIEs were in close air support mission on site, and the freighter was hijacked by a slow ass heavy cargo ship that stayed in orbit for something like 15 minutes straight, while it was getting boarded by pirates.
Oh, and that TIE you shut down? It was piloted by _your_ prisoner, who escaped thanks to _your_ traitor, and who was able to easily destroy almost all of one section of your broadside battery: someone forgot to design hull-tight shields for you. What a shame. I have no trouble believing you actually _couldn't_ catch that Mon Cal, since you didn't even bother to try when you met her first, despite the fact you outnumbered her already, and she was standing there, stationary above her base. You didn't even fire one turbolaser in her direction. What kind of Destroyer are you? A Shy Destroyer? You've got some nice weaponry on paper but all we've seen so far is a TIE that you needed two missiles to wreck, and who destroyer about a dozen of your batteries in one row. Pretty underwhelming that's for sure.
Momma Imperial isn't impressed: she can bombard planets on her own, she's as fast as the Millenium Falcon, tracking that thing down for days without sweating. It takes a freaking asteroid field for days to kill her. She tears through corvettes and frigates in seconds when they don't have plot armour. She never had any of her crew deserting in mission. No fighter was ever able to destroy any or her batteries without taking out the shields first. She flown dozens of TIEs hurling towards her enemies, while you seem to have to respect a rule that forces you to launch only 4 TIEs in a row, no more. What a joke for a battlecruiser with so many hangar bays. It really looks like you are better at posing than acting.
@@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser Things that are great on paper but fails at basic missions don't deserve any love or care. You're just a pale imitation of your predecessor, desperately trying to outdo her, but always remaining in her shadow.
My vote is for the NR Mediator. Mon Cal shields are quite possibly the best in Star Wars, and she would be fielding the best starfighters the galaxy had to offer: XJ's, E-Wings and K-Wings
The only reason everyone calls Mon Calamari ships the best in Star Wars is that the Givins’ ships are so sidelined, I don’t think we have the name of a single Givin ship model. For those who don’t know, the Givin are a species from Legends who come from a planet where tidal forces cause the atmosphere to pool up in certain places, creating a vacuum on much of the planet’s surface. The Givin can survive in a vacuum for a short time, but they also have to use math to predict when they will have air, making them a very math-savvy species. They eventually started applying their mastery of math to shipbuilding, creating starships that at least rivaled Mon Calamari engineering.
I do wonder how the luchrehulk and subjugator classes would fare in this matchup
They would beat the Allegiance no doubt. The Praetor would defeat a Lucrehulk but a Subjugator would be too much. A fight between me and the Subjugator would be interesting, if it weren't for those Ion Cannons! We know too little about the Mediator
@@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser Vs Pallaeon Class
@@battleship6049It is easy to tell that 2 ISD's would beat a Pallaeon class star destroyer, whereas with me, it's not as clear. I could take one down, the real fight would be me against the Imperius class star destoryer, the big brother of the Pallaeon.
The Resurgent might be my favorite capital ship in the SW universe. Such a cool design.
Now that I think about it, the Resurgent reminds me of the Ascendency for the Empire of the Hand, just on a battlecruiser size, and with less blue people.
Mark Thompson I liked the designs for the first order, I just though as an organization they were poorly handled. There should have been more imperial era tech to show that they’re a remnant of the empire.
@@punctuationman334 it would’ve been cool to see how the First Order would’ve panned out in Duel of the Fates instead of what happened to them in The Rise of Skywalker.
Don't you hate it when you come up with a genius idea for a comment but you realize someone already took it?
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@@skulDoofen You were supposed to continue the lineage with another L. Your ancestors are disappointed in you.
Some of your videos are like a drug to me, I sometimes just binge watch your videos
Who would win? #StarshipVersus #AskEck
Resurgent vs. MC 85
Bellator vs. Resurgent
Nebula vs. Pelleaon
Belator with out a doubt its more than twice its size a d nearly triple the armermant
Wastydest 1. Resurgent, not even a contest 2. Bellator, again not a contest. 3. Difficult to decide because the Nebula had more heavy turbos and ions, but the pelleon was made in a later era so the power difference may be a factor because of technology advancing
Yes please!
Allegiance class supported with lancers and a venator loaded with Tie-Defenders
With a secutor
and also getting filled to the brim with TIE Bombers And TIE Fighters
@@somedudethatripsplanetinha4221 Why bother with the TIE/LN? Defenders and Tie interdictors will do just fine
@Nicholas Halbur they are versatile, but I like a fleet of specialized craft
@Nicholas Halbur fleet of lancers, and cruisers
Thx Eck for giving me something to watch at the airport.
Have a safe flight
@@EckhartsLadder thanks
You forgot one major drawback of Resurgent star destroyers: they seem to have a maximum range of ~60 kilometers.
#AskEck
How would a confrontation/fight between the Nebula Star Destroyer and Starhawk Battleship turn out? And which is more well designed?
Justin Trujillo the Nebula is better designed/more powerful. The Nebula was created way later in the Legends NR era, and had better firing arcs, better shielding, and better fighters. Assuming The Starhawk had the same shield generators as the ISD (because the starhawk was literally thrown together with ISD parts) then the shielding on the Nebula would be vastly better. The starhawk also was active during 6-7 ABY, which meant it still carried rebel fighters, (A wing, Xwing Ywing probably no Bwings) if it even had a hangar, while the Nebula carried the next generation fighters (Ewing, Defender, Kwing T75 Xwing, J-Stealth Xwing). The 80 turbos, 20 Ion cannons and 10 concussion missile launchers are easily more firepower than the Starhawk could feasibly have. The only advantage the Starhawk could have is the stronger tractor beam, but that would probably be no effect in this fight. (The only reason a starhawk was able to pull down a SSD was because an entire fleet destroyed the engines, secondary engines, and it had a huge gravity assist from the planet of Jakku) I doubt it can normally pull a capital ship the size of a Nebula down normally without all those factors.
Thanks Eck for some fun beer-io kart last night, cheers to you and Charlie!
3:11 that moment when you watch the first scene in a new hope after years then see the ENDLESS Imperial Star Destroyer
I've been out of the saddle with your videos because nothing has struck my fancy but this... this is classic Ecks and I can't say no
Beerio Kart: translation, I get shit-faced drunk and race my homies
Great vid your the best eckarts keep up the hard work
That laughter at the beginning had me snickering throughout the whole video, lol.
U forgot to mention that the Mediator was particularly tanky for a Mon Cal ship, as it could withstand a nuclear detonation in its hangar. It also packed an immense amount of firepower. While we don’t know exact details on its weapons, it has been stated that when a Mediator showed up in a system, the firepower it possessed was enough to make warring factions come to the negotiating table. I’m surprised u didn’t show the model used for the Mediator in the Awakening if the Rebellion mod
All other battlecruisers: *fight over who is best*
Subjugator (aka mallevolence): check this out! *activates ion cannon*
I swear, if I don't look directly at the face I keep seeing Big Bird instead of an alien shaking that imperial officers hand.
Almost half a million subscribers! Keep up the hard work!
1. Would the Bulwark III be considered the best Rebel/NR battlercruiser in Lucas Canon? It is 2500 meters. Meanwhile, in Disney Canon, the MC85 is 3000 meters and has incredible shields. We do not know very much in terms of what the Mediator looks like or it's precise size.
As for the CIS, what about the Lucrehulk?
Damn I love the Resurgent. Sure we never saw it do anything, but that's where your imagination comes in. Now, I'm not saying to make things up and say that they're canon, but you can still use canon information (like the Resurgent's 1500 plus turbolasers/point defence turrets) and imagine how they'd go in battle, among other things. My favourite star destroyer/battlecruiser/warship, etc.
Imagine if someone like Thrawn was in charge and had the First Order tech
Factions compared: UN Spacey VF-1 Valkyrie variable fighter( SDF Macross) vs terran Viking mech( Starcraft).
Valkyrie all the way.
Damn right. The Viking is a rip off that cannot Mecha our all the way.
I eagerly await the day the Separatists make a glorious comeback since that navy and gunship compared.
Top Hat Society in Star Wars universe: *Finds Praetor-Class Battlecruiser
Ronald “Red Hat” Romney ( One of the 4 Top Hat Leaders ): “That is my ship, and my fellow Top Hat men shall get me more guns for it.
"Like most imperial ships, the allegiance was made for... "
Me- destroy
In my Star Wars Fanon universe, I created a modified ISD-1 Star Destroyer that could take on a good sized fleet and still come out on top. The ship’s name was the Thunderbolt, and while a large part of its success came from the tactical genius of its commander, Commodore Lorth Vize, it was still armored and armed at a level far enough past the typical Star Destroyer to give it the title of battlecruiser, in my opinion.
Upon his promotion to Admiral, Vize received a new ship, the Emperor’s Fury, but this ship, an Ultima-class flagship, the only ship in its class in my Fanon universe, would be categorized as a dreadnought in the Imperial Navy, as it was slightly larger than an Executor-class, with a massive, mile-long minigun that could be deployed from the underside, a weapon Vize affectionately refers to as “the Peacekeeper.”
Sounds pretty cool.
The First Order has an entire fleet of just battle cruisers. And fighters. They make the Empire look diverse and well rounded un comparison.
great video as always eck
#askEck Hey Eck, since we don't really see any FO support ships in the sequels, do you think the Resurgent Class is enough of an upgrade over the ISD (in that it has a high degree of mulit-role functionality to overcome the ISD's greatest weaknesses - against fighters for example) to warrant it being the only ship in fleet formations, save for larger dreadnoughts and the Supremacy?
Suggestion: best fan made craft.
I suggest the Revenge-class heavy carrier & the TIE Vector combo.
@Caedmon Kline A case of star-crossed lovers, both literally and figuratively.
Eckharts Ladder: uploads
Me: *happy noises*
The Resurgent-class Star Destroyer is a fast and agile ship. It could travel even faster than a First Order TIE Fighter if need be, however, such speed came at the cost of maneuverability. At top speeds, the ship needed a lot of counter-thrust, for even the smallest maneuver, thus in the hands of a reckless commander, the Resurgent could find itself out of control and even destroyed. The ship required the most experienced commanders in order to be piloted appropriately.
I would love if the mediator becomes canon and gets an official image
Same with the Maelstrom
Could you do a video on time travel in Star Wars mainly the time walk that we see in rebels.
Love your vids can’t wait till ep9 hopefully will bring us all joy🐶
Bish u thought
Also if you go back to Sci-fi universes compared, how about Marvel/X-Men Mutants vs Force Users?
Captain Marvel vs Rey
Mary Sue death match
Always enjoy the factions compared. Especially with the different ships!!!
Gorgon Battlecruiser (Starcraft) vs the Resurgent Battlecruiser (Star Wars)
That's a tough call, both ships are champs, but we haven't really seen the Resurgent in action, Warfield used the Gorgons to gut whole zerg swarms.
@@lordfrostwind3151 and? Give me a few B-17's and I'd do even better then him, lol:D
@@TheArklyte oh yeah totally
Battle cruisers in classic navy doctrine were ships armored like a heavy cruiser with cruiser speed but the guns of a battleship (a star destroyer). The idea was they would engage cruisers and hunt them down but run if faced with a battleship. The only time they would engage a battleship was in support of other friendly battleships. When they would go it alone you would have massive losses like the HMS Hood to the Bismarck. The idea in the Star Wars universe (as well as many others) that a battlecruiser was the biggest thing out there is just insane.
Which Sci-Fi faction has the best Dropship | Valkyrie(40k) Phantom(Halo) LAAT(Star Wars) Warp Prism(Starcraft)
I just realised 3 quaters of the way thru that the reformation thingys that limit ship stuff is exactly like the two london naval treaties after world war one to ensure there wasnt another naval arks race like between britian and germany before ww1. These treaties in turn limit british naval capacity for ww2 making it harder to eliminate german ships which were secretly built that broke treaty rules.
TL;DR the reformation thing mentioned is like the irl london naval treaties which hurt british naval dominance in ww2
The interwar naval treaties affected more than just britain and germany, they affected every major naval power. Including italy, the U.S., france, and japan, too.
I know it sounds wierd but the most important part of any naval vessel is a competent crew( damage control, weapon operation, star fighter launch and recovery ect..., can you do a factions compared about the crews?
8:28 That blue ring effect shows Obi-Wan and Anakin's fighters passing through the Venator's shields? Whatever it is, I had never noticed it before!
I think that's engine residue, as they speed up and the engines get really bright at the exact same time
@@nickmalachai2227 Oh yeah that could be it.
I saw "Battlecruiser" and instantly thought StarCraft. Can you do Protoss vs Covenant?
The Allegiance really does show its Allegiance to the Galactic Empire.
Factions compared is back :)))
Eckharts, the Subjugator Class is truly a battlecruiser. Add it to this video, and I think it would win.
Great video. The Allegiance is my favourite of all these ships. It has flaws, but it's a highly specialised warship.
8:07, I just noticed how bad the marching of those clones is. They're not in time to each other, and they're supposed to be the best fighting force the Republic could get. I've seen better drill from Army Cadets.
What's the purpose of the giant ass barrel at the back of the praetor battlecruiser? Is there an in-universe explanation?
I miss the Imperious class from Legacy. Such a sleek looking little ship capable of holding its own against an entire fleet of Paelleon class SDs.
In most SciFi universes "Battlecruiser" is used to describe some sleek looking capital ship and is sometimes more or less synonymous with battleship.
Does the Star Wars universe have a ship type that is comparable in its roll within the fleet to the original RL battlecruiser concept?
>Not counting the SWTOR battle cruisers, but you do count a NR ship with no pictures or hard info.
Eckharts ladder you should do a vs episode on Star Wars vs elite dangerous
Are there actual cannon number for the Praetor's weapons? Becuase the ISD does not look like it has anywhere near 100 weapons emplacements, but it does. So the few spotty weapons emplacements - in areas where the ISD's hull is largely smooth(ish) - should not be an indicator. The power generation was massive I thought, as the generator was used to power a virtually impenetrable shield on Hoth...?
I think a little bit of renovation - adding hangers, adding weapons emplacements - would make the Praetor very deadly.
Where does the footage of the eclipse vs the mon cal ships come from?
Battle of the Dreadnoughts
@@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser thank you very much
@@cristianmedina3333 You're welcome. 🙂
It was me, Krennic. It was me!
#AskEck What was the best/most effective ship built under *the Ruusan Reformation?*
Not just shear firepower, but from a _bang for you buck_ perspective - not nerfed dreadnaughts that cost a fortune.
A ship that just fit under the limits, but was a formidable design, and could perhaps even keep up during the clone wars as a midsized ship.
And side note, was the Acclamator legal under the Ruuson rules?
i think just make it under 1 kilometer but attach few turbo laser and call it transport😁
The Mediator Class was in the z3r0x mod for Star Wars Empire At War: FoC. Unless it's purely fan-art you could use that as a reference image.
i would've liked to have seen the Scythe-class battlecruiser from the Galactic Federation on here. speaking of, i think a video exploring its history and differences from the New Republic could be interesting
The battlecruiser concept in naval architecture has always been a hybrid one: Outrun dreadnaughts and outgun cruisers and other similar caputal ships. BCs in the British and US Navies were intended to operate in semi independant squadrons as part of a Grand Fleet or independantly cruising the oceans chasing down commerce raiders. In Star Trek you see this concept in the Klingon D6, The Kzinti BCs ans CCs, the Romulan Birds of Prey and the Federation Heavy Cruisers such as the Hood and Excelsiors. The battlecruiser role is partly served in SW by the ISDs and ISD2s.
I want to here some people opinions. What ship do you think would win in a one on one fight, a Imperial Allegiance battle cruiser or the first orders resurgent class start destroyer (with no star fighter support)
So here's a question that l keep going back and forth on. Which is better a Crusader Corvette or a Lancer Frigate? The way I see it is this, The Crusader is cheaper if we go off of Wookieepedia. It has decent cargo space, a great number of Lasers for its size, a small crew requirement, and a class 1 hyperdrive. But in looking at the Lancer it also has good cargo space, Great laser coverage and can have a class 1 hyperdrive. It losing when it comes to crew size however that doesn't matter all that much. The Crusader seems to be punching up in weight class, I'm not really sure though.
#AskEck can you explain why there is a "small" number of heavy weapons (i.e. turbo lasers and/or batteries) on capital ships? I've never understood the low numbers on such large and larger ships.
Hey Eckhart when I heard on this video that you love battlecruisers I realized that you & I have that in common.
What was the space battle footage from? It is cool.
How about a fleet versus? The rebel fleet at endor vs the federation fleet at wolf 359. They are both in a desperate situation putting a uneven fleet at the last moment
Eck - how would you rank the Praetor if its components (armaments, etc.) were upgraded?
My headcanon is: The Praetor actually was set up with the ability to be REMODELED to have more weapons. Just in case the reformation was ever determined obsolete. So they made a ship with the necessary power generation and shields for a ship that size (at least at the time), and left it under-armed to avoid breaking the treaty. While perhaps at least leaving a reasonable number of redundant power conduits lying around at certain points to where you COULD potentially add the "rest" of the guns if it became necessary.
Obviously, it would not be suited to adding on turreted weaponry larger or more draining than the heaviest weapons available at the time it was designed and the demonstration model built (and obviously being no better suited to slapping on fixed weaponry than any other capital ship). And thus the Praetor 2 was essentially just the Praetor updated to be able to support more modern weapons, and coming standard with more weapons, but which was still left with "empty slots" on its hull that could be further augmented because, perhaps at the time it first started going into production, there was still debate on just how much the Reformation should be flouted and/or how going too far past it may result a bad image for the Republic.
And thus, the Praetor 2 came, in "base form" still under-armed, but still able to have more guns added to bring it to what you would expect from a ship that size if that were done. Who knows, with all the fleets engaging each other and mildly damaged vessels that needed repair, a number of Praetor 2s that got light damage may have been sent in for quick repairs that also silently added the "remaining" guns.
Edit: Oh, don't get me wrong. The more modern vessels likely are better battlecruisers usually, since they in their stock form don't require "sending in for repairs" to actually bring them up to their intended spec. But at the same time, I'm not sure I really consider the First Order "Star Destroyer" to really be a "Battlecruiser," as well, they don't seem to really treat it as such. Instead, its more like the First Order just wants to say that every ship class is bigger now, because TARKIIIIIIIIN and all that (hey, they made a PLANET into a superweapon just to show up those "puny" Death Stars, and then made the Mega Star Destroyer to show up those old executors, so yeah, this is a thing they do).
Hey eck. What program did you use in order to make the dread vs dead video?
I have never understood the a Alliegnces 'no fighter'. I mean it must have some form of hanger or how on earth do you man it. At that point it might as well carry at least a wing.
You should do "which 4 sci fi factions has the BEST DREADNOUGHT"
Can you do
Samus Aran Vs Master Chief Vs Darth Vader and the
uss enterprise vs unsc infinity
I always knew you find the Resergent the best. Well I do too
I want to see those bad boys in action, they're magnificent
Lord Frostwind I know
Lord Frostwind sadly, we may not get to since the First Order doesn’t really have enemies who use capital ships anymore. Hopefully I’m wrong though.
Evan Haskel Yeah. But who knows
*Exits Hyperspace*
I've always wondered where the Bridge of the PREATOR is.
What about the mc80 modified battlecruiser
Why did you only show the Praetor mk II when talking about mk I? Confused me a bit.
Everyone rips on the First Order just because the new movies aren't popular, but really their technology outpaces pretty much all competition. Their ships and vehicles are excellent and their training program seems like it's nearly on par with what the Kaminoans used. Not to mention that they have intelligently redesigned Imperial assets to maintain a level of psychological warfare. Really I think their only flaw is that they train their officers with a little too much zeal, which makes them very overconfident
I agree. Damn the Fandom Menace!
What is that video of the mon cala and resurgent ship battle from?
#AskEck
When Wars happen, why do fleets often consist of no more say less than a dozen ships? And why only huge armadas in gigantic battles are seen?
I would say the Allegiance is my favourite of these four battle cruisers, not just a bias opinion but because of familiarity with using it often in Empire at War long as you can keep producing them at 11,000 credits each. I have no doubt the Resurgent is a great ship but we have not seen much of it in major fleet action either. Perhaps if there is a First Order Mod I would check it out. The Praetor always struck me as a great bulky ship with that roll of a tower but can easily be overwhelmed when bombers and sustained fire are brought against it since I have destroyed many that way.
Resurgent vs Nebula? :O Nice video btw
I am still waiting... still waiting
.. it's gonna be epic that's for sure.
United Mass Effect galaxy + the Reapers vs a Yuzhan Vong invasion
One question: It sounded like Battlecruiser are bigger than battleships. This would be wrong, going after Naval terms (I searched once on Wikipedia). The Gneisenau (German Battlecruiser in WWII) was definitely smaller than same age Battleships, while being faster and lighter gunnery, but all with similar or slightly smaller costs and crew complements. The Hood for example is a famous Battlecruiser.
(I know the StarWars universe has problems with that, but in real life this was hard too.)
Vs matchup
Brute or Brute chieftain from Halo vs A Predator from the Predator franchise. With 2 rounds First round unarmed and unarmored. Second round fully armed and armored
Also predator vs Sangheili stealth minor or Spec Ops Sangheili
Does the Chieftain have invincibility?
@@billclark5055 The Jiralhanae are already have an incredible degree of strength and resilience. Why would you give them *invincibility?
@@self-satisfiedsmirk5544 I agree that the chieftain should not have invincibility, which is why I asked. The chieftain stomps if he gets that ability.
@@self-satisfiedsmirk5544 The chieftain also stomps if its a close combat fight. The predator's best chance is to fight from the distance. Even a brute captain would be tough for a predator to beat in close combat.